Good point about trucks are larger and more mass to move around. For SCE we have Off-peak from 9 pm to 4 pm under the TOU program they use. That ends up costing .23 kWh, which includes a medical allowance.
Buying a truck that can't do what a truck can do, go where a truck can go or go as far as a truck can go and when it's 0 degrees its range is crap. High price , incredible deprecation and in 3 years a replacement battery will cost more than the trucks worth.
I have a electric truck and a gas truck. I agree with some of what you said. 1. Just because the truck uses 100 kilowatt hours does not mean you paid for 100 kilowatt hours. It takes at least 125 kilowatt hours to charge 100 kilowatt hours sometimes depending on weather temperature line loss ect.... it takes 200 kilowatt hours to give the truck a 100 kilowatt hour charge. So less than 2k cost is pure bs and is more likely about the same cast as gas at .15 per kilowatt hour. Turn your charger on. Look at the electeic meter write down the reading. Then write down the reading when you are done charging and how much did the battery absorb. You will be blown away at how much more electricity you use to charge the battery then what the battery actually holds. Second thing I thought pure bs. I have owned my silverado for one year. 3 oil changes at 75 dollars each is 225 dollars. Tires still good. On the lighting had to replace the front two tires already same 15k mileage and guess what those tires were over 500 dollars. So I did not spend thousands like you said on gas truck maintenance and most people dont. But tires wear out way quicker and cost way more on electric. Also the insurance is twice as much on the electric. Or thousands of dollars per year more. I like my electric for day to day and perfer it. I like my gas for trips and actual hauling. My gas truck cradle to grave is less than half the price of a electric vehicle. PERIOD.
I live in Calgary, Canada. We have the cheapest gas in the country, expensive electricity with all of the delivery fees, and it gets very cold here in the winter. -34c for 4-5 days straight is pretty common here. We recently had -40c for a few days. Lots of people on the news talking about how to cold saps the battery power and they could barely make it to work with the heater on, then have to charge in the middle of the day and wait in lineups, only for it to take twice as long in the cold and with the heater running. Our cities, mountains, recreational sites are pretty spread out, using 100s of Kilometers one way. EVs make 0 sense here, but our government is trying to force them on us.
If more and more people buy electric vehicles and all of them decide to charge in the "off peak" hours the electricity rates are going to go up during those hours as well. The more people who hop on this band wagon the more expensive it will be to charge them, run your air conditioning, lights, furnace, oven, etc.
Up here in canada our gas is 7 a gallon so you have cheap gas in the usa probably cheapest gas in the g7 you save big on gas driving an ev in canada since our electricity is cheap
Everything sad is true. But there is one thing left out of all these comparisons that no one talks about. The states charge taxes on the fuel purchase. Those taxes go to road improvements. When and if the transformation over to all electric cars happens, all those taxes will now be charged on electric cars. The money will have to come from somewhere. They’ll make it look like it’s cheaper to have an electric car, but in the long run, it’ll be just the same if not more. Once they know they’ve got you on that plug watch the electric costs go through the roof. With gasoline, I can go to a different gas station or look for a cheaper price. But there’s only one supplier for my electricity, coming to my home, and I have to pay what they’re charging me. And they love to say there’s less maintenance, an electric car, but wait to you have to replace that battery. And believe me, electric motors do go bad, how much do you think that’ll cost you. It’s all a shell game. Don’t be fooled.
Everyone seems to skip some of the other expenses. You got the price of the vehicle which is always higher and sometimes by a lot. Then you got the cost of insurance which in my case is almost 30-50% higher vs an equivalent gas car. If you're charging on a trip, you're gonna be paying between 30-70cents/Kwh 😳.And the biggest one, which is once your car is out of warranty, it's the cost of repairs like battery and drive unit "motor". Extremely expensive
So how is California charging for road use tax and how much is the tax . You have to figure that cost into your calculation if you want apples to apples or subtract the tax out of the cost of your fuel price .
it may be ok where you are but they have done studies and in the winter where I live they found that because of the low temps the battery wont charge and the life of the battery is greatly reduced and who in their right mind wants to change the batteries every few years the EVs are ok for warm areas but very bad for cold areas
As a Canadian living in Ontario I have two things to say: First, our electricity is mostly either HydroElectric (the utility is literally called Ontario HYDRO) or nuclear with some wind and solar and 24% gas plants we shouldn't have built. Specifically where I live it is 95% "green" without paying a premium for "green". The wind and solar replaced coal which is all shut down. Second, WOW do you get HOSED on the price of electricity!!! We have Time-of-use, lowest rate overnight is about $0.05 US per kwh and the highest is around $0.18 US per kwh
I asked my insurance company about that just a few days ago. Considering that if an EV catches on fire it's almost impossible to extinguish my Homeowner policy would increase significantly because if such a fire starts my home would almost certainly be totally destroyed. They wouldn't be looking at the cost to repair it, but the cost to completely replace it.
I'm planning on getting an EV that uses LFP batteries. The insurance rates should be favorable. In Oregon, the vehicle tax is higher, but we more than make up for it elsewhere.
@@isovideo7497 That word "should" always scares me. IMHO it would be a good idea to follow up with your insurance company about the particulars of your specific situation before making a final decision.
Here's a point to consider with kilowatt-hour cost that many people don't realize, so check your bill. Utility companies have a published rate per kwh. In Connecticut where I used to live it was $.10 per kwh at the time. BUT, there's a plethora of taxes and fees on top of that published rate. I did the math for an actual bill one time and the bottom line amount owed came to ~ $.20 per kwh! DOUBLE! Unlike electric, gasoline has all the extra fees included in the per gallon price which makes it much more transparent and easier to work with. When calculating cost be sure to use the real cost and not just the published rate. I wonder which number this guy used.
Here is the cost of our electricity in bc canada.. BC Hydro Electricity Rates Based on two months of consumption (62 days), electricity rates for BC Hydro's residential customers , as of July 2022, are: Basic charge = $0.2090 per day. Step 1 energy charge (first 1376 kilowatt hours (kWh)) = $0.0950 /kWh. Step 2 energy charge (every kWh over 1376) = $0.1408 /kWh.
In some parts of the country and other countries. The cost of charging surpasses its gas-powered version. Mainly due to those locations, high electricity costs and the charging vendors adding its usage fees. Most people won't have access to home charging because they live in apartments or street side townhouses.
I guess it all depends on the cost of gas and electricity at the time. It really only makes sense right now in my area if I can charge at home during the super off-peak hours. Thanks for commenting.
I'm glad someone made a video like this to show the difference that cost of electricity makes. The DIRTY SECRET not being told is how high electric prices will likely become in the future, which won't only affect your charging costs, but your home usage costs. Right now, with less than 1% of all registered vehicles as EV, the total additional electricity consumed by them from the grid is low. But consider that most houses have 2+ vehicles. The op here would consume 9100 kwh per year with his driving habits for 1 vehicle, equivalent to the total annual energy consumption for some homes, & definitely for 2 vehicles in a typical family it is likely doubling the load on the grid for that home. In a decade when everyone is driving these, it will increase the electricity consumption by nearly 100% over pre-EV era. Now, some of that I understand will be offset by people who charge via solar panels, IFFFFFF they OWN a home and HAVE 15-30k+ to install panels plus extra battery storage (double battery mining environment impacts). Still, even if 60-80% of EV owners charge via their own solar, a 40-20% increase in the energy consumption through the grid over the present consumption will require major upgrades to the electric grid, both transmission & distribution wires, and doubling up the transformers on most poles & in substations, or building entirely new substations for the EV charging stations. That extra cost of beefing up the throughput of the grid, plus extra cost of increasing currently insufficient electric generation, will make electric prices in other areas where generation is tight, likely double, triple or even more. Already, San Diego is a good case example of how widely the prices can range (in Europe their electric is mid 30 cents per kwh, like Germany I believe), and likely the hours of when prices are cheap for off-peak will grow smaller as strain becomes higher on the grid. I also talked to a Distribution Engineer who mentioned the extra strain to transformers/wire that will have constant high demand without cool-off periods as load patterns become constantly high base load without dips of low usage hours. When you add up all these costs, you realize that the picture is not as rosy as EV enthusiasts would have us believe in their zeal to push everyone to EVs within a decade or so. The wealthy will incur extra costs of higher priced EVs but are able to afford it and will try to convince (delude) themselves they are saving money & the environment. For the poor who aren't home owners and/or can't afford the additional cost to install solar+battery plus afford higher priced vehicles, their home electric rate will still sky rocket (unless they turn off their electric during peak hours & become night owls), plus they will be taxed higher by gov't for any costs the gov't tries to subsidize in helping the nation's electric companies upgrade their national infrastructure & build out a charging station network. 2nd-Order Effects will make Gas prices soar over time as scaling efficiencies are lost as Oil companies cut back production & refining due to less consumption overall and not wanting to invest in a losing infrastructure that Gov't is mandating to kill the industry. For the poor who can't afford the higher price of EVs & today purchase 10-20 year old cars (sub 10k), they will be still be bludgeoned over time as it becomes more expensive to heat/cool their apartment & to fuel gas in their cars. This will also impact 2nd & 3rd world countries that don't have strong electric grids, advanced infrastructures, gov't's that can subsidize the costs, and earn only few dollars per day with low-skill jobs. I'm just scratching the surface here, there are more things I can mention, but didn't want to make this too long.
From my solar power I have about 30KWh spare per day over the summer, and zero to spare over winter. This cuts my electricity bill considerably, and we get charged 10c per KWh in Oregon in winter, so this works very well.
Lots of holes here. 1. What about the initial purchase price delta between gas and electric 2. Cost of home charger? 3. How do you spend 4-5k a year on maintenance on a new gas truck? It’s literally oil changes a couple times a year for the first few years. Then the other fluids may cost several hundred but only need to be done every five years or so. I’m coming up on 6 years with my bought new F150 4x4 and I’ve only done oil changes and air filters (a few hundred a year) and only now getting ready to change the other driveline fluids (maybe $500)
Nobody has a gas station in their garage. I’d like to see the public charger prices and how many hours per year you use at a gas pump or a charging station
Except that is a $90,000 truck and my truck cost $49,000 new. It will take a lot of years to justify the cost savings. In fact you are not saving money, just relocating to a different account. You’re saving on maintenance cost now, but the backend when the battery needs to be replaced is going to eat you alive.
Also keep in mind that if you have a problem with a normal car you can get almost any mechanic to fix it and get you back on the road, but if your EV dies on a road trip you're potentially looking at a very long-distance tow to get it to one of the repair shops that understand EVs.
There is not much to fix on an EV, most Tesla owners report driving 5 years, or more, without ever needing any service on it, Tesla says you should only have to service it every 4 to 6 years. They just charge it and drive it. The only thing you need to do on a Tesla is rotate the tires and do a front end alignment once in a while. And the tesla battery should last 20 to 30 years, at 40 miles a day. I only drive 10 to 15 miles a day, so it would last me 30 years, or more, if I live that long.
@@ghost307 With stuff like drive train parts it's not that different ICE thus any dealership service centre should be able to handle it. In some cases it's even simpler and easier due to better access and packaging flexibility. Catastrophic failures with power distribution and power electronics that makes them extremely difficult to find capable garages. These parts are highly unlikely to fail as they don't have moving parts and should not get hot, but when they do it's a frustrating mess.
@@jhunwong8739 That assumes that the shop can get the parts. According to Google there are just under 290,000 auto repair shops in the US, and Tesla will only sell parts to the 190 authorized repair facilities that they own. I don't like those odds. I'm sticking with something that appears in the Hollander book.
Maintenance costs should be virtually the same on non-drivetrain portions of EV and ICE vehicles. The cost of suspension component maintenance should be a bit higher since the vehicles are heavier and the brake component maintenance could be lower due to regenerative braking, provided that the manufacturer doesn't downsize rotors, calipers, and pads to minimize mfg. cost and vehicle weight such that the smaller brake components still have the same life as those on an ICE vehicle. When it comes to drivetrain, it's far more complicated because, while an internal combustion engine, its transmission, its cooling system, and its emission systems are far more complex than the wlectric motor and drivetrain of an EV, the gasoline tank, fuel pump, fuel injectors, and engine control module of the ICE are far simpler and less expensive to maintain than the battery, charging system, battery cooling pump system, and the high power electronic drive module that controls the electric motor. My thinking is that, if you keep a car for the long run, the EV will cost a lot more to maintain simply because an EV will need a new battery eventually and the battery cost alone will exceed the cost of all the maintenance required on an ICE vehicle. Throw in all the added electronics, and the maintenance/replacement costs for an EV might be far higher if critical electronic modules become obsolete, necessitating the scrapping of the vehicle. Of course, this might also be the case with ICE vehicles if drivetrain operation is dependent on irreplaceable electronic modules.
Gas in GA today is 3.20 per gallon which is high for our area. Fill up any hour of the day. Doesn't make sense for a truck. Cars maybe and I'm not against having an EV, but I think most people would want a gas vehicle for trips or heavy workloads. Hybrids seem to align with my next purchase. Most families can't afford to have both. I keep hearing low maintenance cost for EVs. But EV's do have a long-term maintenance cost which is their batteries. Generall maintenance like tires and brakes, they both suffer from. I could also get 3+ Chevy LS1 crate motors which get 200-300k miles on each for the cost of a Tesla battery pack. I'm not sold yet with electric prices going up and time to charge. My thoughts are let the free market decide. I like my electric blower but by no means could I do my whole yard without having multiple batteries which I don't. I have a Redmax blower for the big jobs.
A gas powered vehicle is ready to take you anywhere at anytime. If you just get home from a trip and have an emergency, you can either go or wait....what value do you give that?
It's not the cost that stops some of us from buying or driving, it's the work we do with our trucks. These are good for city and suburb driving but almost worthless for rural areas.
Cost is the least of your worries. Basically EV are cheaper in the long run. Buy a $30k car plus add around $36k in gas over 10 years and the price is about the same as a EV. And the longer you own the ICE car the more It’ll cost more then an EV. I told my wife once to trade in her car for a EV and she said but it’s all paid off. I told her it’s not because you need to pay $400 a month just for the car to be operational. No car is really “paid off” but EV you’re paying less after you “paid off” your car.
@@Light23Kuntil your battery doesn’t hold a charge anymore then your new battery will negate that. Also they keep increasing the cost of electricity, which will erase any benefits the EV had. I have seen absolutely not benefit to getting an EV…none at all.
@@Light23K You must have some kind of price for your own time. Let say gas car goes double the distance on full tank vs EV full charge, 10min to fill the gas tank vs EV 2x30min. So minimum you spend 6x more time filling/charging the car. Also atleast Tesla batteries loses more than third of the max capacity in 10 years.
@@NBiehle What a bunch of absurd nonsense. Especially considering how freaking massive capacity these batteries are. The lifespan of these battery should be reliable for 15 plus years, then be problematic around 18 Years. "seen absolutely not benefit" because you have been fed nonsense lies.
If you look at fuel cost vs charging it makes sense but if you look at the price of the truck it makes no sense. Electric trucks are 20k more than their ice equivalent and you could buy years of gas with that kind of money. I love the lightning but just can't get past the cost of the truck. Also, if someone can afford an 85k truck in sure they don't care that much about the electric bill to charge it.
Give me a break $3-5,000 in yearly maintenance on a gas car! I have had a Chrysler Pacifica for 40,000 miles 1 set of tires and 4 oil changes 2 air filters and cabin filter (which you should also have). That's about $1,5000 with the tires so about $350 per year 10 to 15 times less than you stated, nice try. Also, here in Texas $0.11 cents per KhW 24 hours a day you getting ripped off! And what do you call having to change batteries after so long and /or a certain mileage?
You save around 6K a year so in 5yrs you'll break even on the extra sticker price. But you can't haul anything or drive in cold weather or the battery efficiency goes way down and the break even time goes up. And for a quick charge you will need to change out your house amps & install a charging station or risk burning your house down. Then we have the issue of getting in a accident because the vehicle is a write off if any part of the battery is damaged which means insurance rates higher for everyone. And lastly having to service or fix any issues could mean weeks of no vehicle even if just a simple sensor goes out. And who will pay the $40K to replace the battery the seller or the buyer?
That seems like a lot of expense. The battery packs have been in the 20k range but I think I get your point. Most batteries should last for quite some time, based off of my experience with my Tesla. I guess time will tell no lies. Thank you for commenting.
Cost per KW hours when the electric grid will be able to handle 80% saturation of EV"S is estimated $1 in California to which I say it will more because it's ALWAYS more than they say it will be
Can you imagine someone that lives in an apartment and has to use DC fast chargers or AC level 2 chargers and has to pay for it there instead of home charging. My son lives in an apartment building without access to be able to plug in. Right now, he drives a 2015 Ford Focus that gets great gas milage. He looked at a 2017 Electric Ford Focus. The range was OK because he mostly works and stays in a big city. When we penciled it out, it was going to cost him more than double every month over what he had been paying. He is earning 19.00 an hour now at his job. It just was not worth it on his budget. Maybe in the future, it will work out where he can plug in at home every night or at a place of employment, but for now, he doesn't have the time or money to make it work. That is the other thing. He works nights and sitting at a charger waiting for a full or mostly full charge isn't going to be workable either or safe sometimes.
People dont have time to sit around a clock to charge thier vehicles. Let alone if they had to use/find a charger in public. Hook a 5000# trailer on there and calculate out those costs? Thats real world truck use, not just commuting.
Even if the charging was free, the stress and amount of pre planning for a trip would be unacceptable. Who needs the hassle when I can find a gas station almost anywhere and fill up in 5 minutes. Do charging stations have bathrooms and a place to buy snacks while on the trip? Time is money and the time driving out of the way to a charging station, waiting to use the charger and then waiting while the battery charges while on a vacation is much more valuable than the money saved.
The lithium batteries contain cobalt which is a highly toxic material that will cause scarring to the lungs ( fibrosis ) even if no symptoms are noticed this can be fatal and on top of that lithium itself is not too good for you either and will cause headache , muscle weakness , twitching , blurred vision , loss of coordination tremors , seizures and coma
The issue is not whether you are pro-EV or anti-EV, the issue is that the government is trying to mandate your choice. EV's work great for some people, not so great for others. Energy cost and routine maintenance are just two components of the total cost of vehicle ownership. EVs have a higher initial cost than comparable internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the cost of battery replacement.
"800 pound gorilla in the room" more like the boy who cried wolf. Most people who buy this price range of vehicle aren't going to keep the vehicle for more than a DECADE. This sadly is a problem and a cost that will be put on the 2nd or 3rd owner when the Truck is over a dozen years old. Another problem is we have no clue what a battery with a given energy capacity will cost in 2037. Anyone who says they know is a con artist.
@@jhunwong8739 I agree we don't know. However battery mineral prices and battery prices have been falling. It could go either way. We need a few more years to develop a good used BEV market. They are currently overpriced.
You did not even consider the cost difference of the vehicle at purchase. For example the lightning cost $110k compared to $55-65k F150. The difference in price can pay for many years of gas.
This truck was 80k. And other newer gas Ford f150's with the same trim were about 10k cheaper. So there is a difference but not as big as one might think.
The one thing none of these Lightening reviews talks about is what the range would be if utilized as a "truck", in other words for work construction etc., not a commuter car. We already know that if your in the north the winter will severely diminish the range of the unit. I'd like to see the guy who bought this for work.
yeah. I am going to buy $100k truck to save a couple of dollars on gas. Oh and in 10 years you will need to get a new vehicle because the battery replacement costs over $20k for a car. I can't imagine the cost for a truck.
In my part of San Diego it never gets bellow $.4/khw so I guess it will not make sense to ever own an EV without solar. Let's be honest, prices are likely to only get worse.
What about a 1000 mile trip and charging the car how much will it cost and how long will it take for me to drive it is 16 hours with only refueling once halfway lunch and then on the road at least once every 2 months.If you drive 50 miles around your house, get yourself a bike!
@Jetters Garage local energy company was charging 48 cents kwh before fees and taxes, with no discount for off peak. They more we use, the higher the rate gets. Definstly would never consider charging durng PEAK.
Waited until the end of the video to see if you included the auto insurance costs with this comparison. In many cases, the insurance costs on an EV far exceed that of an ICE. If you could also show this factor, it would reveal a more complete analysis.
Insurance companies are scrapping EV"s involved in accidents due to the dangers of combustion that's why a damaged EV must be parked away from other vehicles and buildings.
Those power prices are mind blogging. I drive an electric car in Tenn and my rate varies month to month from 11 cents to 12 cents per kWh for all hours there’s no off or on peak rate here. I can’t imagine why your rate would be so high, that’s got to be something that is almost exclusive to CA residents. The vast majority of the country won’t be paying anything like that. This will be very misleading to most people in this country.
I’ve never seen so many nerds, do so much math on their EV’s. This is why I’m not yet sold on them. Calculating charge times and distance and all the in between details… I just put gas in my truck and go, way better!
A lot of things missed in that analysis I think , for a start the cost of the vehicle, depreciation of the vehicle, , battery degradation and the eventual cost of the battery replacement in let’s say 10 years, I imagine the cost of an EV battery for a truck would be mind blowing given the already huge cost of an EV car battery’ replacement , and imo that should be factored into the yearly costs. Another thing , battery vehicles when towing or carting heavy loads in every test I’ve seen use energy at a faster rate , so if your actually using it as a truck doing miles , you are going to be filling up more often and probably not in places you want to.. And that’s another plus for ICE vehicles , you can add another large sized fuel tank to an ice vehicle allowing you to have a much better range than an ev with a bigger battery , and allow you to more easily find a cheaper place to fill up. In the end , if it has wheels regardless of what pushes it down the road, it’s going to be a money pit , this is just what cars and trucks are and always have been.
I pull an RV. That kills EV range. I have extra fuel tanks mounted on the tow vehicle. My range pulling the camper is 400 miles. It takes me about 10 minutes to fill up. I think EVs are fine for smaller vehicles they just don't make sense pulling a load yet.
What if you want to take your "Truck" camping or on a hunting trip? Or what if your into Off-roading? That's what a lot of truck owners do with their trucks. I have a Tacoma and an electric truck can't do some of the things very well that I want to do with my truck. I live and work in a more remote area, and so do a lot of people. If you're a city dweller that just comutes, an electric truck could be ok. Honestly I don't see how an electric truck makes any sense at all. I would rather have an electric car for everyday, close to town duties, and a gas truck for my adventures. I couldn't make it on an all electric vehicle life, battery power is to limited.
Add the new cost difference of both trucks, then the resale value of both trucks after 100,000 miles....Surprise! Electric needs a new battery and updated controllers for that battery, gas needs an oil change. Now look at 200,000 miles....electric cannot be updated that far but gas needs....an oil change. A good shopper will pay 50 for a new gas and 80 for the electric. 30 grand at the beginning and another 15 at 200,000 miles. $45,000 can do a lot of oil changes.
I'm glad someone made a video like this to show the difference that cost of electricity makes. The DIRTY SECRET not being told is how high electric prices will likely become in the future, which won't only affect your charging costs, but your home usage costs. Right now, with less than 1% of all registered vehicles as EV, the total additional electricity consumed by them from the grid is low. But consider that most houses have 2+ vehicles. The op here would consume 9100 kwh per year with his driving habits for 1 vehicle, equivalent to the total annual energy consumption for some homes, & definitely for 2 vehicles in a typical family it is likely doubling the load on the grid for that home. In a decade when everyone is driving these, it will increase the electricity consumption by nearly 100% over pre-EV era. Now, some of that I understand will be offset by people who charge via solar panels, IFFFFFF they OWN a home and HAVE 15-30k+ to install panels plus extra battery storage (double battery mining environment impacts). Still, even if 60-80% of EV owners charge via their own solar, a 40-20% increase in the energy consumption through the grid over the present consumption will require major upgrades to the electric grid, both transmission & distribution wires, and doubling up the transformers on most poles & in substations, or building entirely new substations for the EV charging stations. That extra cost of beefing up the throughput of the grid, plus extra cost of increasing currently insufficient electric generation, will make electric prices in other areas where generation is tight, likely double, triple or even more. Already, San Diego is a good case example of how widely the prices can range (in Europe their electric is mid 30 cents per kwh, like Germany I believe), and likely the hours of when prices are cheap for off-peak will grow smaller as strain becomes higher on the grid. I also talked to a Distribution Engineer who mentioned the extra strain to transformers/wire that will have constant high demand without cool-off periods as load patterns become constantly high base load without dips of low usage hours. When you add up all these costs, you realize that the picture is not as rosy as EV enthusiasts would have us believe in their zeal to push everyone to EVs within a decade or so. The wealthy will incur extra costs of higher priced EVs but are able to afford it and will try to convince (delude) themselves they are saving money & the environment. For the poor who aren't home owners and/or can't afford the additional cost to install solar+battery plus afford higher priced vehicles, their home electric rate will still sky rocket (unless they turn off their electric during peak hours & become night owls), plus they will be taxed higher by gov't for any costs the gov't tries to subsidize in helping the nation's electric companies upgrade their national infrastructure & build out a charging station network. 2nd-Order Effects will make Gas prices soar over time as scaling efficiencies are lost as Oil companies cut back production & refining due to less consumption overall and not wanting to invest in a losing infrastructure that Gov't is mandating to kill the industry. For the poor who can't afford the higher price of EVs & today purchase 10-20 year old cars (sub 10k), they will be still be bludgeoned over time as it becomes more expensive to heat/cool their apartment & to fuel gas in their cars. This will also impact 2nd & 3rd world countries that don't have strong electric grids, advanced infrastructures, gov't's that can subsidize the costs, and earn only few dollars per day with low-skill jobs. I'm just scratching the surface here, there are more things I can mention, but didn't want to make this too long.
I hate to break it to everyone but if they get their way and everyone is stuck with an EV all time is going to be put at ON Peak. Also your Maintenance is going to come all at once when it needs a new battery for $20000-$30000 at like 130,000 miles.
Your cost on electric is WAY off. Here in So Cal SCE is now .33 and Tesla SC are up to .57 And you had to spend a mountain of money to "save" a little. It's A no go PERIOD.
Wonder where you are paying 1300 per oil change. It need 3 oil change per year for 1800 miles per year. 3 to 4k per year for maintenance? Been driving ice truck for last 20 years don't recall that kind of cast. Had lightning and Rivian both for 6 month each. Not worth a single penny. Will take 15 years to break even. Back to my gmc diesel.
Oil changes are not that expensive. It's the total cost of maintenance that I'm talking about. Tires, brakes, all miscellaneous. It really added up for me but if your car is under warranty this would be way less of an issue. Thanks for commenting.
Nope, way more than I pay now with my ram. And I can fill up any time. I already do my own maintenance so I pay half price for that, just not an option for people who don't want to be broke.
lets pretend that we are going on vacation..or going somewhere away from your house..ok..let's say you need to charge your truck..ok..lets say you eventually find a place to charge it..ok..lets say you finally find a charge unit that works..ok..lets say you get your app to work and actually start charging your truck..What is your time worth??How much time did you spend finding a place to charge your truck..How long did it take to charge your truck..Are you feeling really safe where you found a charge unit that worked? My time is worth $45.00/hr..It took me an hour to find a charger that worked..It took me 3 hours to charge my truck..I had to keep my eyes peeled for possible human threats at the place I was charging my truck..SO..I have $180.00 in time and may not be safe..Does that sound like a good time for your wife or yourself??
This video is interesting and read the comments. Many actual experiences taking extra days to get home from a trip. Charging station deserts are real. th-cam.com/video/eosf7CeSGyA/w-d-xo.htmlt=
Excellent information. I also live in SD county and have a low budget Gen 2 Leaf. Like you stated I had a plan with SDGE to charge 12-6a at around $.09 / kWh giving me about 3.5 mi. In easy math that was about $1 to drive 35 mi. I use it as a commuter only and with the reduced range over almost 5 years, 150 to 125mi, I get in tough spots at times with range anxiety. For long drives I either have to take my really old 300kmi+ dinosaur burner truck, which is sketchy to not break down or rent a car at about $100/day. The down side is during the cheap hours, charging is using fossil fuels to generate the electricity not solar or wind since typically winds die down at night due to the lack of temp differences driving wind currents. This means the vehicles are not zero emissions, they just pollute while they are charging not when they are driving if you do not count brake or tire dust. EV's are not the environmental holy grail the politicians keep promoting. They are just trying to get votes for their next election. I love my EV for the reasons of not having to stop for gas and the quick acceleration, but I do not see them as the environmental solution especially with the environmental damage done to the earth mining the battery raw materials and burning fossil fuels to charge at night. The one thing I do not like about EV charging is every charging station is owned by a different network or at least it seems that way. I have found some that only work for employees of the building with the stations in the parking lot. You have to sign up with an app or get a physical card mailed to you in order to charge your vehicle. You can't just walk up, insert a credit card and charge your car. This is where Tesla was brilliant creating their charging network. The other thing is the cost is on the high end like your Peak cost calculations so it becomes $5-8 to drive 35 mi depending on what that station charges per kWh and the time of they day. Also most charging stations are not equipped for fast DC charging so you are looking at around 20mi range per 30 to 60 minutes. That is far slower than the 5-10 min it takes to fill a gas tank.
Welp you are just as brainwashed as most people only associate BEVs with GHG CO2 emissions and ignore the extreme toxic emissions of Crude Oil fuels combustion vechiles. VW DieselGate was NOT about CO2 GHG. The raw materials required to build a battery and coal and gas that EACH make up a fraction of Electric Grid Mix is no where as toxic in both LD50 potency and tonnage as a SUB 40mpg vehicle. No large amount of materials for Lithium Ion batteries is close to as toxic as the countless tonnage of Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons PAHs, which just happen to be very potent on Carbon Based Lifeforms. Fact is any vehicles which burns Crude oil Fuels and get less than 40mpg is MUCH much more toxic than BEVs. You are soo brainwashed by mainstream absurd distractions you have no clue about the hard real world science.
@@Stephanie_12345- I beg to differ, EVs are the future, ICE will be largely gone in 15-20 yrs. Also battery tech is advancing very rapidly so things will be very different in a few years. Calif. has mandated no new ICE can be sold after 2035. The high efficiency of EVs should also be taken into consideration, my Tesla has an EPA MPGe of 111, no ICE comes close. For those who own a home and can afford a PV system it generally makes sense. I put in a modest system a few years ago for $9.7k after tax credits and rebates. Note also that here in Calif, there is already a move into renewable energy due to a mandate to be 100% renewable by 2045, currently it is at about 30%. I’m a long retired senior who has driven for over 60 yrs and my EV is the best car I’ve ever driven. I find the free OTA updates every 4-5 weeks without fail is amazing, my EV just keeps getting better over time, you don’t see that in ICE vehicles. EVs esp. Teslas, are largely software driven so they can always be added to and improved even if it is a cosmetic change.
The fact that your anxiety about driving leads me to believe you are trying to justify a bad buy , for the sake of climate change. Follow the science, not the media?
Don't forget.... there is only a small fraction of the US fleet that are electric. The grid cannot support converting any large share of the fleet to EV. Electric costs will skyrocket. For Everyone. It would be fine if our utilities cared at all about costs to the consumer. They could increase resources to support this, but instead, the very hysteria that spawned EV's is also shutting down reliable sources of power... so there won't be enough. Enjoy it while it lasts.
I'm glad someone made a video like this to show the difference that cost of electricity makes. The DIRTY SECRET not being told is how high electric prices will likely become in the future, which won't only affect your charging costs, but your home usage costs. Right now, with less than 1% of all registered vehicles as EV, the total additional electricity consumed by them from the grid is low. But consider that most houses have 2+ vehicles. The op here would consume 9100 kwh per year with his driving habits for 1 vehicle, equivalent to the total annual energy consumption for some homes, & definitely for 2 vehicles in a typical family it is likely doubling the load on the grid for that home. In a decade when everyone is driving these, it will increase the electricity consumption by nearly 100% over pre-EV era. Now, some of that I understand will be offset by people who charge via solar panels, IFFFFFF they OWN a home and HAVE 15-30k+ to install panels plus extra battery storage (double battery mining environment impacts). Still, even if 60-80% of EV owners charge via their own solar, a 40-20% increase in the energy consumption through the grid over the present consumption will require major upgrades to the electric grid, both transmission & distribution wires, and doubling up the transformers on most poles & in substations, or building entirely new substations for the EV charging stations. That extra cost of beefing up the throughput of the grid, plus extra cost of increasing currently insufficient electric generation, will make electric prices in other areas where generation is tight, likely double, triple or even more. Already, San Diego is a good case example of how widely the prices can range (in Europe their electric is mid 30 cents per kwh, like Germany I believe), and likely the hours of when prices are cheap for off-peak will grow smaller as strain becomes higher on the grid. I also talked to a Distribution Engineer who mentioned the extra strain to transformers/wire that will have constant high demand without cool-off periods as load patterns become constantly high base load without dips of low usage hours. When you add up all these costs, you realize that the picture is not as rosy as EV enthusiasts would have us believe in their zeal to push everyone to EVs within a decade or so. The wealthy will incur extra costs of higher priced EVs but are able to afford it and will try to convince (delude) themselves they are saving money & the environment. For the poor who aren't home owners and/or can't afford the additional cost to install solar+battery plus afford higher priced vehicles, their home electric rate will still sky rocket (unless they turn off their electric during peak hours & become night owls), plus they will be taxed higher by gov't for any costs the gov't tries to subsidize in helping the nation's electric companies upgrade their national infrastructure & build out a charging station network. 2nd-Order Effects will make Gas prices soar over time as scaling efficiencies are lost as Oil companies cut back production & refining due to less consumption overall and not wanting to invest in a losing infrastructure that Gov't is mandating to kill the industry. For the poor who can't afford the higher price of EVs & today purchase 10-20 year old cars (sub 10k), they will be still be bludgeoned over time as it becomes more expensive to heat/cool their apartment & to fuel gas in their cars. This will also impact 2nd & 3rd world countries that don't have strong electric grids, advanced infrastructures, gov't's that can subsidize the costs, and earn only few dollars per day with low-skill jobs. I'm just scratching the surface here, there are more things I can mention, but didn't want to make this too long.
@@RT-mv7df The video creator calculated with 18,200 miles per year, an extra 50% more than the average American drives. On average EVs get 3 to 3.5 miles per kWh, much more than the 2 miles per kWh for the F150 Lightning. Your estimate of the increase in electricity use with widespread EV adoption is wildly inaccurate because you based it on this edge case being the average. People with solar power, a grid connection, and an EV can sell excess solar during the day when the grid needs more power and charge their car at off-peak hours late at night when there is plenty of grid capacity available. Pricing incentives to highly encourage people not to charge their EVs outside of the off-peak times in the summer leaves plenty of room for many more EVs to charge without bringing late-night and early-morning power usage above the summer peak usage times. There's room for another 150 million kWh to be consumed in off-peak times with no change to the power demand in the highest hour of the year. More charging at otherwise low-electricity-usage times of day can even out the hourly electricity demand fluctuation and shift to more base load plants and fewer peaker plants, bringing down the cost of electricity, quite the opposite of your doom and gloom. www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=42915
No thanks on all electric. I'll do hybrid that's fine. I'm in the south and gas is much cheaper. Not sure about this on peak and off peak charging. That's a west coast thing. Have fun with your brown outs btw. I don't want to have to strategic charging times!
I did not see any mention of the cost of the Pro charging station (needed to charge quickly especially if you need to charge during off hours) and then the costs of having a professional electrician install a dedicated 100amp circuit for it? In my area that would be a very expensive to add to an existing home as it requires a circuit that is about the same of even more than is required for a whole house central air conditioning/heating unit. So, at $1310 for the charger and then depending on if you have to run a new dedicated circuit, run new wiring, possibly upgrade the entire home main electric service, etc, it can be about as much as an entire year of operating costs (possibly more, depending on your home). These EV reviews always seem to leave this very real cost out of the calculations, I wonder why?
I plan to use a Nema 14-50 plug (e.g. for an electric clothes drier), good for 40A continuous at 240V, or 9.6KW. Should be able to recharge at least 48KWh overnight, and enough to cover most people's daily drive.
@@isovideo7497 Maybe someone needs to research the topic? Go to FORD and here is what Ford says: Ford Charge Station Pro can charge the Ford F-150 Lightning™ truck (with an extended-range battery) at an average of 30 miles of range per charging hour.* To take full advantage of the above charging rate, most homes will require a new or second electric utility meter installation. Please consult with your local utility and/or professional certified electrician. If desired, the Ford Charge Station Pro charge rate can be decreased to work with existing circuit breaker panels via hardware settings. CIRCUIT BREAKER 100A (Do NOT use GFCI breaker since internal GFCI is included and false tripping will occur). • VOLTAGE 240 VAC nominal, 2 poles, 60 Hz. • WIRE CONFIGURATION Three-wire configuration of L1, L2 and Ground-hardwired to junction box. So, your idea of plugging in a device that you want to draw 40 amps for hours and hours on end into a 40 amp maximum electric dryer outlet is not recommended... just an fyi.
Good point about trucks are larger and more mass to move around. For SCE we have Off-peak from 9 pm to 4 pm under the TOU program they use. That ends up costing .23 kWh, which includes a medical allowance.
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Buying a truck that can't do what a truck can do, go where a truck can go or go as far as a truck can go and when it's 0 degrees its range is crap. High price , incredible deprecation and in 3 years a replacement battery will cost more than the trucks worth.
I have a electric truck and a gas truck.
I agree with some of what you said.
1. Just because the truck uses 100 kilowatt hours does not mean you paid for 100 kilowatt hours. It takes at least 125 kilowatt hours to charge 100 kilowatt hours sometimes depending on weather temperature line loss ect.... it takes 200 kilowatt hours to give the truck a 100 kilowatt hour charge.
So less than 2k cost is pure bs and is more likely about the same cast as gas at .15 per kilowatt hour.
Turn your charger on. Look at the electeic meter write down the reading. Then write down the reading when you are done charging and how much did the battery absorb. You will be blown away at how much more electricity you use to charge the battery then what the battery actually holds.
Second thing I thought pure bs. I have owned my silverado for one year. 3 oil changes at 75 dollars each is 225 dollars. Tires still good. On the lighting had to replace the front two tires already same 15k mileage and guess what those tires were over 500 dollars. So I did not spend thousands like you said on gas truck maintenance and most people dont. But tires wear out way quicker and cost way more on electric. Also the insurance is twice as much on the electric. Or thousands of dollars per year more.
I like my electric for day to day and perfer it.
I like my gas for trips and actual hauling.
My gas truck cradle to grave is less than half the price of a electric vehicle.
PERIOD.
13 cents per Kwh in MN. That's on peak. 🙂
Great info,the only good option is a hybrid
Where I live there is no off peak or prime charging period. It's .09 cents per kilowatt hour. I feel pretty lucky, but gas is 2.87 a gallon as well
Where are you at? That's great energy costs.
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I live in Calgary, Canada. We have the cheapest gas in the country, expensive electricity with all of the delivery fees, and it gets very cold here in the winter. -34c for 4-5 days straight is pretty common here. We recently had -40c for a few days. Lots of people on the news talking about how to cold saps the battery power and they could barely make it to work with the heater on, then have to charge in the middle of the day and wait in lineups, only for it to take twice as long in the cold and with the heater running.
Our cities, mountains, recreational sites are pretty spread out, using 100s of Kilometers one way. EVs make 0 sense here, but our government is trying to force them on us.
If more and more people buy electric vehicles and all of them decide to charge in the "off peak" hours the electricity rates are going to go up during those hours as well. The more people who hop on this band wagon the more expensive it will be to charge them, run your air conditioning, lights, furnace, oven, etc.
To me it saved me money and time. No more waiting in gas stations and mechanics for oil changes.
Up here in canada our gas is 7 a gallon so you have cheap gas in the usa probably cheapest gas in the g7 you save big on gas driving an ev in canada since our electricity is cheap
Dude, I thought LA had high power costs. Holy ish man. 81 cents?? That’s criminal.
Everything sad is true. But there is one thing left out of all these comparisons that no one talks about. The states charge taxes on the fuel purchase. Those taxes go to road improvements. When and if the transformation over to all electric cars happens, all those taxes will now be charged on electric cars. The money will have to come from somewhere. They’ll make it look like it’s cheaper to have an electric car, but in the long run, it’ll be just the same if not more. Once they know they’ve got you on that plug watch the electric costs go through the roof. With gasoline, I can go to a different gas station or look for a cheaper price. But there’s only one supplier for my electricity, coming to my home, and I have to pay what they’re charging me. And they love to say there’s less maintenance, an electric car, but wait to you have to replace that battery. And believe me, electric motors do go bad, how much do you think that’ll cost you. It’s all a shell game. Don’t be fooled.
Everyone seems to skip some of the other expenses. You got the price of the vehicle which is always higher and sometimes by a lot. Then you got the cost of insurance which in my case is almost 30-50% higher vs an equivalent gas car. If you're charging on a trip, you're gonna be paying between 30-70cents/Kwh 😳.And the biggest one, which is once your car is out of warranty, it's the cost of repairs like battery and drive unit "motor". Extremely expensive
Drive units are about 5-6k.just an fyi.
Thas enough specially having a charger at home
So how is California charging for road use tax and how much is the tax . You have to figure that cost into your calculation if you want apples to apples or subtract the tax out of the cost of your fuel price .
I'm sure that's coming but registration is the only fee as of today
15c per kwh in California dam I live on the central coast and I pay 25c SD be cheap.
it may be ok where you are but they have done studies and in the winter where I live they found that because of the low temps the battery wont charge and the life of the battery is greatly reduced and who in their right mind wants to change the batteries every few years the EVs are ok for warm areas but very bad for cold areas
As a Canadian living in Ontario I have two things to say:
First, our electricity is mostly either HydroElectric (the utility is literally called Ontario HYDRO) or nuclear with some wind and solar and 24% gas plants we shouldn't have built. Specifically where I live it is 95% "green" without paying a premium for "green". The wind and solar replaced coal which is all shut down.
Second, WOW do you get HOSED on the price of electricity!!!
We have Time-of-use, lowest rate overnight is about $0.05 US per kwh and the highest is around $0.18 US per kwh
In California one reason the price is so high is the extra tax the state charges our utilities behind the scenes that runs the price up.
I’m here for the gas guzzling Lincoln what is this 😂🤦🏻♂️
Haha, the metal work is being done right now. This is the most boring part. You will see more of the gas guzzler soon.
I’m curious what the difference would be in insurance premiums between similar EV and petro vehicles?
I asked my insurance company about that just a few days ago.
Considering that if an EV catches on fire it's almost impossible to extinguish my Homeowner policy would increase significantly because if such a fire starts my home would almost certainly be totally destroyed. They wouldn't be looking at the cost to repair it, but the cost to completely replace it.
I'm planning on getting an EV that uses LFP batteries. The insurance rates should be favorable. In Oregon, the vehicle tax is higher, but we more than make up for it elsewhere.
@@isovideo7497 That word "should" always scares me. IMHO it would be a good idea to follow up with your insurance company about the particulars of your specific situation before making a final decision.
Here's a point to consider with kilowatt-hour cost that many people don't realize, so check your bill.
Utility companies have a published rate per kwh. In Connecticut where I used to live it was $.10 per kwh at the time. BUT, there's a plethora of taxes and fees on top of that published rate. I did the math for an actual bill one time and the bottom line amount owed came to ~ $.20 per kwh! DOUBLE! Unlike electric, gasoline has all the extra fees included in the per gallon price which makes it much more transparent and easier to work with.
When calculating cost be sure to use the real cost and not just the published rate.
I wonder which number this guy used.
Here is the cost of our electricity in bc canada..
BC Hydro Electricity Rates
Based on two months of consumption (62 days), electricity rates for BC Hydro's residential customers , as of July 2022, are: Basic charge = $0.2090 per day. Step 1 energy charge (first 1376 kilowatt hours (kWh)) = $0.0950 /kWh. Step 2 energy charge (every kWh over 1376) = $0.1408 /kWh.
In some parts of the country and other countries. The cost of charging surpasses its gas-powered version. Mainly due to those locations, high electricity costs and the charging vendors adding its usage fees. Most people won't have access to home charging because they live in apartments or street side townhouses.
I guess it all depends on the cost of gas and electricity at the time. It really only makes sense right now in my area if I can charge at home during the super off-peak hours. Thanks for commenting.
I'm glad someone made a video like this to show the difference that cost of electricity makes. The DIRTY SECRET not being told is how high electric prices will likely become in the future, which won't only affect your charging costs, but your home usage costs.
Right now, with less than 1% of all registered vehicles as EV, the total additional electricity consumed by them from the grid is low. But consider that most houses have 2+ vehicles. The op here would consume 9100 kwh per year with his driving habits for 1 vehicle, equivalent to the total annual energy consumption for some homes, & definitely for 2 vehicles in a typical family it is likely doubling the load on the grid for that home. In a decade when everyone is driving these, it will increase the electricity consumption by nearly 100% over pre-EV era.
Now, some of that I understand will be offset by people who charge via solar panels, IFFFFFF they OWN a home and HAVE 15-30k+ to install panels plus extra battery storage (double battery mining environment impacts). Still, even if 60-80% of EV owners charge via their own solar, a 40-20% increase in the energy consumption through the grid over the present consumption will require major upgrades to the electric grid, both transmission & distribution wires, and doubling up the transformers on most poles & in substations, or building entirely new substations for the EV charging stations.
That extra cost of beefing up the throughput of the grid, plus extra cost of increasing currently insufficient electric generation, will make electric prices in other areas where generation is tight, likely double, triple or even more. Already, San Diego is a good case example of how widely the prices can range (in Europe their electric is mid 30 cents per kwh, like Germany I believe), and likely the hours of when prices are cheap for off-peak will grow smaller as strain becomes higher on the grid. I also talked to a Distribution Engineer who mentioned the extra strain to transformers/wire that will have constant high demand without cool-off periods as load patterns become constantly high base load without dips of low usage hours.
When you add up all these costs, you realize that the picture is not as rosy as EV enthusiasts would have us believe in their zeal to push everyone to EVs within a decade or so. The wealthy will incur extra costs of higher priced EVs but are able to afford it and will try to convince (delude) themselves they are saving money & the environment.
For the poor who aren't home owners and/or can't afford the additional cost to install solar+battery plus afford higher priced vehicles, their home electric rate will still sky rocket (unless they turn off their electric during peak hours & become night owls), plus they will be taxed higher by gov't for any costs the gov't tries to subsidize in helping the nation's electric companies upgrade their national infrastructure & build out a charging station network.
2nd-Order Effects will make Gas prices soar over time as scaling efficiencies are lost as Oil companies cut back production & refining due to less consumption overall and not wanting to invest in a losing infrastructure that Gov't is mandating to kill the industry. For the poor who can't afford the higher price of EVs & today purchase 10-20 year old cars (sub 10k), they will be still be bludgeoned over time as it becomes more expensive to heat/cool their apartment & to fuel gas in their cars. This will also impact 2nd & 3rd world countries that don't have strong electric grids, advanced infrastructures, gov't's that can subsidize the costs, and earn only few dollars per day with low-skill jobs.
I'm just scratching the surface here, there are more things I can mention, but didn't want to make this too long.
From my solar power I have about 30KWh spare per day over the summer, and zero to spare over winter. This cuts my electricity bill considerably, and we get charged 10c per KWh in Oregon in winter, so this works very well.
I would like to know the expected lifespan of Electric Vehicles before battery replacement costs are expected.
What about taking the taxes off the cost of gasoline since there are no road taxes on electricity?
Lots of holes here.
1. What about the initial purchase price delta between gas and electric
2. Cost of home charger?
3. How do you spend 4-5k a year on maintenance on a new gas truck? It’s literally oil changes a couple times a year for the first few years. Then the other fluids may cost several hundred but only need to be done every five years or so. I’m coming up on 6 years with my bought new F150 4x4 and I’ve only done oil changes and air filters (a few hundred a year) and only now getting ready to change the other driveline fluids (maybe $500)
Nobody has a gas station in their garage. I’d like to see the public charger prices and how many hours per year you use at a gas pump or a charging station
Electric prices change depending on location. Time wise, it's no comparison. Way less time at the gas station. I don't think that's the point though.
I don't understand how $4.75 is the most expensive gas in the country. Ours has been $5.50 /gal in Humboldt County for the past year.
Except that is a $90,000 truck and my truck cost $49,000 new. It will take a lot of years to justify the cost savings. In fact you are not saving money, just relocating to a different account.
You’re saving on maintenance cost now, but the backend when the battery needs to be replaced is going to eat you alive.
3-5 k for breaks, fluids and filters ?
I'm talking about tires, breaks and anything else that could need maintenance and if you use the dealership.
Once everyone starts charging at off peak hours prices will increase.
Off peak will be the new peak
Also keep in mind that if you have a problem with a normal car you can get almost any mechanic to fix it and get you back on the road, but if your EV dies on a road trip you're potentially looking at a very long-distance tow to get it to one of the repair shops that understand EVs.
There is not much to fix on an EV, most Tesla owners report driving 5 years, or more, without ever needing any service on it, Tesla says you should only have to service it every 4 to 6 years. They just charge it and drive it. The only thing you need to do on a Tesla is rotate the tires and do a front end alignment once in a while. And the tesla battery should last 20 to 30 years, at 40 miles a day. I only drive 10 to 15 miles a day, so it would last me 30 years, or more, if I live that long.
@@steves2241 I'll be sure to tell the garage in Roggen, CO if I swerve to miss an animal on the road and bend a suspension link.
@@ghost307 With stuff like drive train parts it's not that different ICE thus any dealership service centre should be able to handle it. In some cases it's even simpler and easier due to better access and packaging flexibility.
Catastrophic failures with power distribution and power electronics that makes them extremely difficult to find capable garages. These parts are highly unlikely to fail as they don't have moving parts and should not get hot, but when they do it's a frustrating mess.
@@jhunwong8739 That assumes that the shop can get the parts. According to Google there are just under 290,000 auto repair shops in the US, and Tesla will only sell parts to the 190 authorized repair facilities that they own.
I don't like those odds.
I'm sticking with something that appears in the Hollander book.
@@ghost307 Umm we're talking about a FORD here, not a Tesla. Ford even sells Crate Electric motors.
Maintenance costs should be virtually the same on non-drivetrain portions of EV and ICE vehicles. The cost of suspension component maintenance should be a bit higher since the vehicles are heavier and the brake component maintenance could be lower due to regenerative braking, provided that the manufacturer doesn't downsize rotors, calipers, and pads to minimize mfg. cost and vehicle weight such that the smaller brake components still have the same life as those on an ICE vehicle.
When it comes to drivetrain, it's far more complicated because, while an internal combustion engine, its transmission, its cooling system, and its emission systems are far more complex than the wlectric motor and drivetrain of an EV, the gasoline tank, fuel pump, fuel injectors, and engine control module of the ICE are far simpler and less expensive to maintain than the battery, charging system, battery cooling pump system, and the high power electronic drive module that controls the electric motor.
My thinking is that, if you keep a car for the long run, the EV will cost a lot more to maintain simply because an EV will need a new battery eventually and the battery cost alone will exceed the cost of all the maintenance required on an ICE vehicle. Throw in all the added electronics, and the maintenance/replacement costs for an EV might be far higher if critical electronic modules become obsolete, necessitating the scrapping of the vehicle. Of course, this might also be the case with ICE vehicles if drivetrain operation is dependent on irreplaceable electronic modules.
I think the bigger question is how they will be taxed. Right now ev’s don’t pay gas taxes. At some point that will change. Roads aren’t free.
So you're suggesting that the home charger and installation by an electrician were free (?)
Did you reset your driving history before charging.
Gas in GA today is 3.20 per gallon which is high for our area. Fill up any hour of the day. Doesn't make sense for a truck. Cars maybe and I'm not against having an EV, but I think most people would want a gas vehicle for trips or heavy workloads. Hybrids seem to align with my next purchase. Most families can't afford to have both. I keep hearing low maintenance cost for EVs. But EV's do have a long-term maintenance cost which is their batteries. Generall maintenance like tires and brakes, they both suffer from. I could also get 3+ Chevy LS1 crate motors which get 200-300k miles on each for the cost of a Tesla battery pack. I'm not sold yet with electric prices going up and time to charge. My thoughts are let the free market decide. I like my electric blower but by no means could I do my whole yard without having multiple batteries which I don't. I have a Redmax blower for the big jobs.
Many Teslas have done over half a million miles on their batteries, so battery life is definitely improving.
A gas powered vehicle is ready to take you anywhere at anytime. If you just get home from a trip and have an emergency, you can either go or wait....what value do you give that?
It's not the cost that stops some of us from buying or driving, it's the work we do with our trucks. These are good for city and suburb driving but almost worthless for rural areas.
The Cybertruck may change that, we’ll see in the next month or two when pricing, specs and features are revealed.
Cost is the least of your worries. Basically EV are cheaper in the long run. Buy a $30k car plus add around $36k in gas over 10 years and the price is about the same as a EV. And the longer you own the ICE car the more It’ll cost more then an EV. I told my wife once to trade in her car for a EV and she said but it’s all paid off. I told her it’s not because you need to pay $400 a month just for the car to be operational. No car is really “paid off” but EV you’re paying less after you “paid off” your car.
@@Light23Kuntil your battery doesn’t hold a charge anymore then your new battery will negate that. Also they keep increasing the cost of electricity, which will erase any benefits the EV had. I have seen absolutely not benefit to getting an EV…none at all.
@@Light23K You must have some kind of price for your own time. Let say gas car goes double the distance on full tank vs EV full charge, 10min to fill the gas tank vs EV 2x30min. So minimum you spend 6x more time filling/charging the car. Also atleast Tesla batteries loses more than third of the max capacity in 10 years.
@@NBiehle What a bunch of absurd nonsense. Especially considering how freaking massive capacity these batteries are. The lifespan of these battery should be reliable for 15 plus years, then be problematic around 18 Years. "seen absolutely not benefit" because you have been fed nonsense lies.
If you look at fuel cost vs charging it makes sense but if you look at the price of the truck it makes no sense. Electric trucks are 20k more than their ice equivalent and you could buy years of gas with that kind of money. I love the lightning but just can't get past the cost of the truck. Also, if someone can afford an 85k truck in sure they don't care that much about the electric bill to charge it.
Once you have enough vehicles needing to charged there will be no off peak hours and rates will go up. Supply and demand.
Give me a break $3-5,000 in yearly maintenance on a gas car! I have had a Chrysler Pacifica for 40,000 miles 1 set of tires and 4 oil changes 2 air filters and cabin filter (which you should also have). That's about $1,5000 with the tires so about $350 per year 10 to 15 times less than you stated, nice try.
Also, here in Texas $0.11 cents per KhW 24 hours a day you getting ripped off!
And what do you call having to change batteries after so long and /or a certain mileage?
You save around 6K a year so in 5yrs you'll break even on the extra sticker price. But you can't haul anything or drive in cold weather or the battery efficiency goes way down and the break even time goes up. And for a quick charge you will need to change out your house amps & install a charging station or risk burning your house down. Then we have the issue of getting in a accident because the vehicle is a write off if any part of the battery is damaged which means insurance rates higher for everyone. And lastly having to service or fix any issues could mean weeks of no vehicle even if just a simple sensor goes out. And who will pay the $40K to replace the battery the seller or the buyer?
That seems like a lot of expense. The battery packs have been in the 20k range but I think I get your point. Most batteries should last for quite some time, based off of my experience with my Tesla. I guess time will tell no lies. Thank you for commenting.
Something he isn’t saying is that a lot of states are imposing a ev tax.
Cost per KW hours when the electric grid will be able to handle 80% saturation of EV"S is estimated $1 in California to which I say it will more because it's ALWAYS more than they say it will be
Can you imagine someone that lives in an apartment and has to use DC fast chargers or AC level 2 chargers and has to pay for it there instead of home charging. My son lives in an apartment building without access to be able to plug in.
Right now, he drives a 2015 Ford Focus that gets great gas milage. He looked at a 2017 Electric Ford Focus. The range was OK because he mostly works and stays in a big city.
When we penciled it out, it was going to cost him more than double every month over what he had been paying.
He is earning 19.00 an hour now at his job. It just was not worth it on his budget.
Maybe in the future, it will work out where he can plug in at home every night or at a place of employment, but for now, he doesn't have the time or money to make it work.
That is the other thing. He works nights and sitting at a charger waiting for a full or mostly full charge isn't going to be workable either or safe sometimes.
People dont have time to sit around a clock to charge thier vehicles. Let alone if they had to use/find a charger in public. Hook a 5000# trailer on there and calculate out those costs? Thats real world truck use, not just commuting.
Even if the charging was free, the stress and amount of pre planning for a trip would be unacceptable. Who needs the hassle when I can find a gas station almost anywhere and fill up in 5 minutes. Do charging stations have bathrooms and a place to buy snacks while on the trip? Time is money and the time driving out of the way to a charging station, waiting to use the charger and then waiting while the battery charges while on a vacation is much more valuable than the money saved.
You also have to remember that truck is about $20,000 more than a comparable ICE truck.
The lithium batteries contain cobalt which is a highly toxic material that will cause scarring to the lungs ( fibrosis ) even if no symptoms are noticed this can be fatal and on top of that lithium itself is not too good for you either and will cause headache , muscle weakness , twitching , blurred vision , loss of coordination tremors , seizures and coma
The issue is not whether you are pro-EV or anti-EV, the issue is that the government is trying to mandate your choice. EV's work great for some people, not so great for others. Energy cost and routine maintenance are just two components of the total cost of vehicle ownership. EVs have a higher initial cost than comparable internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the cost of battery replacement.
"800 pound gorilla in the room" more like the boy who cried wolf. Most people who buy this price range of vehicle aren't going to keep the vehicle for more than a DECADE. This sadly is a problem and a cost that will be put on the 2nd or 3rd owner when the Truck is over a dozen years old. Another problem is we have no clue what a battery with a given energy capacity will cost in 2037. Anyone who says they know is a con artist.
@@jhunwong8739 I agree we don't know. However battery mineral prices and battery prices have been falling. It could go either way. We need a few more years to develop a good used BEV market. They are currently overpriced.
If you had to charge during on peak hours, would you save money by charging at a public charge station during those hours? ($0.82/kWh....OUCH!!)
It would be less expensive than charging at home.
So how much did it cost for the electrician to put a charging station in your home?
It cost about $1000. That was hiring my own reasonably priced electrician.
That's cheaper then I thought it would be, thanks for letting us know.
You did not even consider the cost difference of the vehicle at purchase. For example the lightning cost $110k compared to $55-65k F150. The difference in price can pay for many years of gas.
This truck was 80k. And other newer gas Ford f150's with the same trim were about 10k cheaper. So there is a difference but not as big as one might think.
The one thing none of these Lightening reviews talks about is what the range would be if utilized as a "truck", in other words for work construction etc., not a commuter car. We already know that if your in the north the winter will severely diminish the range of the unit. I'd like to see the guy who bought this for work.
pretty soon all 24 hours will be the peak charge times
yeah. I am going to buy $100k truck to save a couple of dollars on gas. Oh and in 10 years you will need to get a new vehicle because the battery replacement costs over $20k for a car. I can't imagine the cost for a truck.
Need to use the map system to get complete information. still do not know talking about.
In my part of San Diego it never gets bellow $.4/khw so I guess it will not make sense to ever own an EV without solar. Let's be honest, prices are likely to only get worse.
$0.46
$4186 per year
Now calculate traveling across country and apply an hourly rate to your time. lol
What about a 1000 mile trip and charging the car how much will it cost and how long will it take for me to drive it is 16 hours with only refueling once halfway lunch and then on the road at least once every 2 months.If you drive 50 miles around your house, get yourself a bike!
Electricity cost are double that in New England.
Wow.. how is your energy produced?
@Jetters Garage local energy company was charging 48 cents kwh before fees and taxes, with no discount for off peak. They more we use, the higher the rate gets. Definstly would never consider charging durng PEAK.
how much more are you willing to pay for all the inconvenience of an ev
Waited until the end of the video to see if you included the auto insurance costs with this comparison. In many cases, the insurance costs on an EV far exceed that of an ICE. If you could also show this factor, it would reveal a more complete analysis.
Good point. I haven't found much difference in my auto cost when comparing electric vr Gas. Maybe it is different elsewhere. Thanks for commenting.
Insurance companies are scrapping EV"s involved in accidents due to the dangers of combustion that's why a damaged EV must be parked away from other vehicles and buildings.
But in areas where it is cold and you need to heat batteries up to use these numbers will be higher
You are correct that each area is different. The one thing you can look at though, San Diego has the highest electrical rates in the nation.
Show us your garage.
Those power prices are mind blogging. I drive an electric car in Tenn and my rate varies month to month from 11 cents to 12 cents per kWh for all hours there’s no off or on peak rate here. I can’t imagine why your rate would be so high, that’s got to be something that is almost exclusive to CA residents. The vast majority of the country won’t be paying anything like that. This will be very misleading to most people in this country.
I say it's the highest in the country. Most people are smart enough to go to the site and put in their rate. Thanks for the comment.
Which is Cheaper to BUY ?😅
It seems kind of silly to spend anywhere from 50 to 100K for a vehicle that is so limited in use. I guess it would be good as a grocery-getter.
I’ve never seen so many nerds, do so much math on their EV’s. This is why I’m not yet sold on them. Calculating charge times and distance and all the in between details… I just put gas in my truck and go, way better!
Then you have those HOAs that don't allow drive way parking and charging.
That is another rough topic. HOA's...
A lot of things missed in that analysis I think , for a start the cost of the vehicle, depreciation of the vehicle, , battery degradation and the eventual cost of the battery replacement in let’s say 10 years, I imagine the cost of an EV battery for a truck would be mind blowing given the already huge cost of an EV car battery’ replacement , and imo that should be factored into the yearly costs.
Another thing , battery vehicles when towing or carting heavy loads in every test I’ve seen use energy at a faster rate , so if your actually using it as a truck doing miles , you are going to be filling up more often and probably not in places you want to..
And that’s another plus for ICE vehicles , you can add another large sized fuel tank to an ice vehicle allowing you to have a much better range than an ev with a bigger battery , and allow you to more easily find a cheaper place to fill up.
In the end , if it has wheels regardless of what pushes it down the road, it’s going to be a money pit , this is just what cars and trucks are and always have been.
I pull an RV. That kills EV range. I have extra fuel tanks mounted on the tow vehicle. My range pulling the camper is 400 miles. It takes me about 10 minutes to fill up. I think EVs are fine for smaller vehicles they just don't make sense pulling a load yet.
Pulling a trailer or other heavy objects for long distances is a big gap for the EV truck, I agree. Thanks for commenting.
Don't forget the 35000 usd cost of a new battery.
What if you want to take your "Truck" camping or on a hunting trip? Or what if your into Off-roading? That's what a lot of truck owners do with their trucks. I have a Tacoma and an electric truck can't do some of the things very well that I want to do with my truck. I live and work in a more remote area, and so do a lot of people. If you're a city dweller that just comutes, an electric truck could be ok. Honestly I don't see how an electric truck makes any sense at all. I would rather have an electric car for everyday, close to town duties, and a gas truck for my adventures. I couldn't make it on an all electric vehicle life, battery power is to limited.
How does your insurance rates and taxes compare between gas vs electric cars?
Not telling you the cost to charge that vehicle outside your home. Those charging stations can charge $100 to charge your vehicle overnight
Add the new cost difference of both trucks, then the resale value of both trucks after 100,000 miles....Surprise! Electric needs a new battery and updated controllers for that battery, gas needs an oil change. Now look at 200,000 miles....electric cannot be updated that far but gas needs....an oil change. A good shopper will pay 50 for a new gas and 80 for the electric. 30 grand at the beginning and another 15 at 200,000 miles. $45,000 can do a lot of oil changes.
Guess what, when enough people get electric vehicles and start charging at midnight to get super off peak, those hours will become peak hours.
I'm glad someone made a video like this to show the difference that cost of electricity makes. The DIRTY SECRET not being told is how high electric prices will likely become in the future, which won't only affect your charging costs, but your home usage costs.
Right now, with less than 1% of all registered vehicles as EV, the total additional electricity consumed by them from the grid is low. But consider that most houses have 2+ vehicles. The op here would consume 9100 kwh per year with his driving habits for 1 vehicle, equivalent to the total annual energy consumption for some homes, & definitely for 2 vehicles in a typical family it is likely doubling the load on the grid for that home. In a decade when everyone is driving these, it will increase the electricity consumption by nearly 100% over pre-EV era.
Now, some of that I understand will be offset by people who charge via solar panels, IFFFFFF they OWN a home and HAVE 15-30k+ to install panels plus extra battery storage (double battery mining environment impacts). Still, even if 60-80% of EV owners charge via their own solar, a 40-20% increase in the energy consumption through the grid over the present consumption will require major upgrades to the electric grid, both transmission & distribution wires, and doubling up the transformers on most poles & in substations, or building entirely new substations for the EV charging stations.
That extra cost of beefing up the throughput of the grid, plus extra cost of increasing currently insufficient electric generation, will make electric prices in other areas where generation is tight, likely double, triple or even more. Already, San Diego is a good case example of how widely the prices can range (in Europe their electric is mid 30 cents per kwh, like Germany I believe), and likely the hours of when prices are cheap for off-peak will grow smaller as strain becomes higher on the grid. I also talked to a Distribution Engineer who mentioned the extra strain to transformers/wire that will have constant high demand without cool-off periods as load patterns become constantly high base load without dips of low usage hours.
When you add up all these costs, you realize that the picture is not as rosy as EV enthusiasts would have us believe in their zeal to push everyone to EVs within a decade or so. The wealthy will incur extra costs of higher priced EVs but are able to afford it and will try to convince (delude) themselves they are saving money & the environment.
For the poor who aren't home owners and/or can't afford the additional cost to install solar+battery plus afford higher priced vehicles, their home electric rate will still sky rocket (unless they turn off their electric during peak hours & become night owls), plus they will be taxed higher by gov't for any costs the gov't tries to subsidize in helping the nation's electric companies upgrade their national infrastructure & build out a charging station network.
2nd-Order Effects will make Gas prices soar over time as scaling efficiencies are lost as Oil companies cut back production & refining due to less consumption overall and not wanting to invest in a losing infrastructure that Gov't is mandating to kill the industry. For the poor who can't afford the higher price of EVs & today purchase 10-20 year old cars (sub 10k), they will be still be bludgeoned over time as it becomes more expensive to heat/cool their apartment & to fuel gas in their cars. This will also impact 2nd & 3rd world countries that don't have strong electric grids, advanced infrastructures, gov't's that can subsidize the costs, and earn only few dollars per day with low-skill jobs.
I'm just scratching the surface here, there are more things I can mention, but didn't want to make this too long.
I hate to break it to everyone but if they get their way and everyone is stuck with an EV all time is going to be put at ON Peak. Also your Maintenance is going to come all at once when it needs a new battery for $20000-$30000 at like 130,000 miles.
get solar QUICK. Plus a Powerwall, and sell back to the utility.
I already have them both
@@JettersGarage bravo that man.
Your cost on electric is WAY off. Here in So Cal SCE is now .33 and Tesla SC are up to .57 And you had to spend a mountain of money to "save" a little. It's A no go PERIOD.
You forgot the payment in the electric truck is double than a gas truck. That' Ford truck is selling 2 times more than a gas truck keep that in mind.
Wonder where you are paying 1300 per oil change. It need 3 oil change per year for 1800 miles per year. 3 to 4k per year for maintenance? Been driving ice truck for last 20 years don't recall that kind of cast. Had lightning and Rivian both for 6 month each. Not worth a single penny. Will take 15 years to break even. Back to my gmc diesel.
Oil changes are not that expensive. It's the total cost of maintenance that I'm talking about. Tires, brakes, all miscellaneous. It really added up for me but if your car is under warranty this would be way less of an issue. Thanks for commenting.
Nope, way more than I pay now with my ram. And I can fill up any time. I already do my own maintenance so I pay half price for that, just not an option for people who don't want to be broke.
Thank you.
lets pretend that we are going on vacation..or going somewhere away from your house..ok..let's say you need to charge your truck..ok..lets say you eventually find a place to charge it..ok..lets say you finally find a charge unit that works..ok..lets say you get your app to work and actually start charging your truck..What is your time worth??How much time did you spend finding a place to charge your truck..How long did it take to charge your truck..Are you feeling really safe where you found a charge unit that worked? My time is worth $45.00/hr..It took me an hour to find a charger that worked..It took me 3 hours to charge my truck..I had to keep my eyes peeled for possible human threats at the place I was charging my truck..SO..I have $180.00 in time and may not be safe..Does that sound like a good time for your wife or yourself??
This video is interesting and read the comments. Many actual experiences taking extra days to get home from a trip. Charging station deserts are real. th-cam.com/video/eosf7CeSGyA/w-d-xo.htmlt=
Excellent information. I also live in SD county and have a low budget Gen 2 Leaf. Like you stated I had a plan with SDGE to charge 12-6a at around $.09 / kWh giving me about 3.5 mi. In easy math that was about $1 to drive 35 mi. I use it as a commuter only and with the reduced range over almost 5 years, 150 to 125mi, I get in tough spots at times with range anxiety. For long drives I either have to take my really old 300kmi+ dinosaur burner truck, which is sketchy to not break down or rent a car at about $100/day. The down side is during the cheap hours, charging is using fossil fuels to generate the electricity not solar or wind since typically winds die down at night due to the lack of temp differences driving wind currents. This means the vehicles are not zero emissions, they just pollute while they are charging not when they are driving if you do not count brake or tire dust. EV's are not the environmental holy grail the politicians keep promoting. They are just trying to get votes for their next election. I love my EV for the reasons of not having to stop for gas and the quick acceleration, but I do not see them as the environmental solution especially with the environmental damage done to the earth mining the battery raw materials and burning fossil fuels to charge at night.
The one thing I do not like about EV charging is every charging station is owned by a different network or at least it seems that way. I have found some that only work for employees of the building with the stations in the parking lot. You have to sign up with an app or get a physical card mailed to you in order to charge your vehicle. You can't just walk up, insert a credit card and charge your car. This is where Tesla was brilliant creating their charging network. The other thing is the cost is on the high end like your Peak cost calculations so it becomes $5-8 to drive 35 mi depending on what that station charges per kWh and the time of they day. Also most charging stations are not equipped for fast DC charging so you are looking at around 20mi range per 30 to 60 minutes. That is far slower than the 5-10 min it takes to fill a gas tank.
Yes. Good reasons that Electric cars are not the future.
@@Stephanie_12345 Very true they are not the future. They are the delayed past we should of deployed more of them by now.
Welp you are just as brainwashed as most people only associate BEVs with GHG CO2 emissions and ignore the extreme toxic emissions of Crude Oil fuels combustion vechiles. VW DieselGate was NOT about CO2 GHG. The raw materials required to build a battery and coal and gas that EACH make up a fraction of Electric Grid Mix is no where as toxic in both LD50 potency and tonnage as a SUB 40mpg vehicle.
No large amount of materials for Lithium Ion batteries is close to as toxic as the countless tonnage of Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons PAHs, which just happen to be very potent on Carbon Based Lifeforms. Fact is any vehicles which burns Crude oil Fuels and get less than 40mpg is MUCH much more toxic than BEVs.
You are soo brainwashed by mainstream absurd distractions you have no clue about the hard real world science.
@@Stephanie_12345- I beg to differ, EVs are the future, ICE will be largely gone in 15-20 yrs. Also battery tech is advancing very rapidly so things will be very different in a few years. Calif. has mandated no new ICE can be sold after 2035. The high efficiency of EVs should also be taken into consideration, my Tesla has an EPA MPGe of 111, no ICE comes close. For those who own a home and can afford a PV system it generally makes sense. I put in a modest system a few years ago for $9.7k after tax credits and rebates. Note also that here in Calif, there is already a move into renewable energy due to a mandate to be 100% renewable by 2045, currently it is at about 30%. I’m a long retired senior who has driven for over 60 yrs and my EV is the best car I’ve ever driven. I find the free OTA updates every 4-5 weeks without fail is amazing, my EV just keeps getting better over time, you don’t see that in ICE vehicles. EVs esp. Teslas, are largely software driven so they can always be added to and improved even if it is a cosmetic change.
The fact that your anxiety about driving leads me to believe you are trying to justify a bad buy , for the sake of climate change. Follow the science, not the media?
I know a Yamaha electric golf car cost about twice as much to operate, compared to a gasoline powered Yamaha golf car.
I’m interested in deterioration of the batteries. How often do the need replaced?
Most battery packs are expected to last the life of the vehicle. At minimum, they are warrantied to at least 100,000 miles by law.
I may be optimistic, but I don't think battery failure will be a big issue at this time.
its not a matter o money anymore SIMPLY WE MUST STOP BURNING STUFF !!!
Don't forget.... there is only a small fraction of the US fleet that are electric. The grid cannot support converting any large share of the fleet to EV. Electric costs will skyrocket. For Everyone. It would be fine if our utilities cared at all about costs to the consumer. They could increase resources to support this, but instead, the very hysteria that spawned EV's is also shutting down reliable sources of power... so there won't be enough. Enjoy it while it lasts.
I'm glad someone made a video like this to show the difference that cost of electricity makes. The DIRTY SECRET not being told is how high electric prices will likely become in the future, which won't only affect your charging costs, but your home usage costs.
Right now, with less than 1% of all registered vehicles as EV, the total additional electricity consumed by them from the grid is low. But consider that most houses have 2+ vehicles. The op here would consume 9100 kwh per year with his driving habits for 1 vehicle, equivalent to the total annual energy consumption for some homes, & definitely for 2 vehicles in a typical family it is likely doubling the load on the grid for that home. In a decade when everyone is driving these, it will increase the electricity consumption by nearly 100% over pre-EV era.
Now, some of that I understand will be offset by people who charge via solar panels, IFFFFFF they OWN a home and HAVE 15-30k+ to install panels plus extra battery storage (double battery mining environment impacts). Still, even if 60-80% of EV owners charge via their own solar, a 40-20% increase in the energy consumption through the grid over the present consumption will require major upgrades to the electric grid, both transmission & distribution wires, and doubling up the transformers on most poles & in substations, or building entirely new substations for the EV charging stations.
That extra cost of beefing up the throughput of the grid, plus extra cost of increasing currently insufficient electric generation, will make electric prices in other areas where generation is tight, likely double, triple or even more. Already, San Diego is a good case example of how widely the prices can range (in Europe their electric is mid 30 cents per kwh, like Germany I believe), and likely the hours of when prices are cheap for off-peak will grow smaller as strain becomes higher on the grid. I also talked to a Distribution Engineer who mentioned the extra strain to transformers/wire that will have constant high demand without cool-off periods as load patterns become constantly high base load without dips of low usage hours.
When you add up all these costs, you realize that the picture is not as rosy as EV enthusiasts would have us believe in their zeal to push everyone to EVs within a decade or so. The wealthy will incur extra costs of higher priced EVs but are able to afford it and will try to convince (delude) themselves they are saving money & the environment.
For the poor who aren't home owners and/or can't afford the additional cost to install solar+battery plus afford higher priced vehicles, their home electric rate will still sky rocket (unless they turn off their electric during peak hours & become night owls), plus they will be taxed higher by gov't for any costs the gov't tries to subsidize in helping the nation's electric companies upgrade their national infrastructure & build out a charging station network.
2nd-Order Effects will make Gas prices soar over time as scaling efficiencies are lost as Oil companies cut back production & refining due to less consumption overall and not wanting to invest in a losing infrastructure that Gov't is mandating to kill the industry. For the poor who can't afford the higher price of EVs & today purchase 10-20 year old cars (sub 10k), they will be still be bludgeoned over time as it becomes more expensive to heat/cool their apartment & to fuel gas in their cars. This will also impact 2nd & 3rd world countries that don't have strong electric grids, advanced infrastructures, gov't's that can subsidize the costs, and earn only few dollars per day with low-skill jobs.
I'm just scratching the surface here, there are more things I can mention, but didn't want to make this too long.
@@RT-mv7df The video creator calculated with 18,200 miles per year, an extra 50% more than the average American drives. On average EVs get 3 to 3.5 miles per kWh, much more than the 2 miles per kWh for the F150 Lightning. Your estimate of the increase in electricity use with widespread EV adoption is wildly inaccurate because you based it on this edge case being the average.
People with solar power, a grid connection, and an EV can sell excess solar during the day when the grid needs more power and charge their car at off-peak hours late at night when there is plenty of grid capacity available.
Pricing incentives to highly encourage people not to charge their EVs outside of the off-peak times in the summer leaves plenty of room for many more EVs to charge without bringing late-night and early-morning power usage above the summer peak usage times. There's room for another 150 million kWh to be consumed in off-peak times with no change to the power demand in the highest hour of the year.
More charging at otherwise low-electricity-usage times of day can even out the hourly electricity demand fluctuation and shift to more base load plants and fewer peaker plants, bringing down the cost of electricity, quite the opposite of your doom and gloom.
www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=42915
EV's and costs for charging and battery replacement are a factor in not buying one. Not great in cold weather either!
I would have to charge it ,6 time a day to keep up with my life and I would miss appointment because I have to charge it
No thanks on all electric. I'll do hybrid that's fine. I'm in the south and gas is much cheaper. Not sure about this on peak and off peak charging. That's a west coast thing. Have fun with your brown outs btw. I don't want to have to strategic charging times!
How did you sell your lightning? Did you have to pay back the $7,500 tax credit?
I did not see any mention of the cost of the Pro charging station (needed to charge quickly especially if you need to charge during off hours) and then the costs of having a professional electrician install a dedicated 100amp circuit for it? In my area that would be a very expensive to add to an existing home as it requires a circuit that is about the same of even more than is required for a whole house central air conditioning/heating unit. So, at $1310 for the charger and then depending on if you have to run a new dedicated circuit, run new wiring, possibly upgrade the entire home main electric service, etc, it can be about as much as an entire year of operating costs (possibly more, depending on your home). These EV reviews always seem to leave this very real cost out of the calculations, I wonder why?
I plan to use a Nema 14-50 plug (e.g. for an electric clothes drier), good for 40A continuous at 240V, or 9.6KW. Should be able to recharge at least 48KWh overnight, and enough to cover most people's daily drive.
@@isovideo7497 Maybe someone needs to research the topic? Go to FORD and here is what Ford says: Ford Charge Station Pro can charge the Ford F-150 Lightning™ truck (with an extended-range battery) at an average of 30 miles of range per charging hour.*
To take full advantage of the above charging rate, most homes will require a new or second electric utility meter installation. Please consult with your local utility and/or professional certified electrician. If desired, the Ford Charge Station Pro charge rate can be decreased to work with existing circuit breaker panels via hardware settings.
CIRCUIT BREAKER
100A (Do NOT use GFCI breaker since internal GFCI
is included and false tripping will occur).
• VOLTAGE
240 VAC nominal, 2 poles, 60 Hz.
• WIRE CONFIGURATION
Three-wire configuration of L1, L2 and Ground-hardwired
to junction box.
So, your idea of plugging in a device that you want to draw 40 amps for hours and hours on end into a 40 amp maximum electric dryer outlet is not recommended... just an fyi.
300 mils is a full month of to and from work for me
At 9c kwh flat rate in PA and all from a company that gets it from solar/wind.
With the purchasing price…nope no electric it is ridiculous.
Thanks for the info!!!
Did they list the cost to replace the electic battery?