I have xlt standard range, best truck ever. Got it for $52k usd and got 7.5k back. I am putting between 100-150 miles per day in city with a lot of “ idling” mainly AC or heat. It took around 10 to 12 gallons daily with 5l coyote engine. Significantly cheaper miles when charging and no maintenance for 27,000 miles. Also I have propower and used it during last hurricane that hit Carolinas. Powered the house with the truck for a week. Had to recharge twice - every 3 days. There was no gas in the area but Tesla supercharger next to me was operational almost within 24 hours, the gas wasn’t available for much longer. Planning to install solar and battery backup on my property. The truck is more fun to drive than a raptor, it can push a train but not suitable for long distance towing, basically suitable for just 95% of the owners.
I have warranty for 120k miles, I hope it drops under warranty 80% so I can get a new battery. My coyote had a catastrophic failure at 65k and was replaced by new engine. By 150k miles the truck would have paid itself. My gas bill is around $10k annually. I have already solar (after hurricane-really at the price of Generac back up generator) and electricity ⚡️ is free. I hope it’s dependent and reliable as a Tesla, time will show.
Considering I’ve seen some fleet versions of these hit 30,000 miles in a year is still on par with most work trucks. They’re parked at the shop and charged over night at $.15/kw… and then driven 200 miles in the field checking meters and such. Just most people don’t understand that 90% of people don’t drive that 200 miles in a day. And you wake up every morning with a full tank 🤷♂️
Agreed, I guess for me as a "personal" truck it doesn't make sense. BUT as you pointed out in the work truck application having the ability to charge every night it is not a bad solution!
Truck was in for service and they gave me a Lightning as a loaner. 99% battery.....297km range. Driving experience is nice,power is seemless and plentiful. I enjoyed the day with it. But even just running around for the day I dropped range to 140km....cant remember battery %. The extended range battery would be a must.
@@GettysGarageok, so how far do you drive on an average day? Up to a few years ago I used the drive a 150 miles a day for work, and with my current Lightning I could easily do that. Even at -12 F that I recently did in Northern Wisconsin.
Thank You from Norway. Bought mine 3 months ago (Lariat) for my landscaping business. Towing gravel and equipment around on a daily basis. Workplaces without electricity or lights. So far it does a better job than anything I have ever driven. Not suitable for long distance hauling, but superior for my kind of business.
I've had a standard range XLT for a year now that I use to run a lawn care business. Rarely use more than 50% of the battery. Truck runs all day long keeping AC on or charging other batteries for tools or mowers. I get 100-150 miles pulling a 14' enclosed depending on how much highway or how much I have to charge other stuff. One of the best things is the 240v 30a plug in the bed that I use to charge my primary electric mower. My previous truck was a GMC 2500 with the 6.0 gas. It would get 7-8 mpg doing the same route
I have a 2022 Lariat ER. I have been driving trucks for 50 years. Everything from a Chevy S-10 to a Mack Semi-tractor. Gas and diesel. This is, hands down, the best of them all. And Yes, we road trip with it.
Got a 2023 lightning xlt standard range. Tow a small utility trailer with my atv on it. Get about 140-150 miles on single charge. Almost all the areas I go riding in my state are 200 miles from house. Quick 10-15 minute charge on way back gets me home and I don’t see it as a big deal. Save me about $15-20 per trip vs gas. Regular driving around town saves me a lot more about $10-15 full charge. Honestly for 1/2 ton buyers I think the lightning makes a lot of since. If your towing cross country or pass 7000 pounds you should really be getting an HD.
@@pjbuckmaster Good point but you know at some point that day will come and it will be fair. Down here in the states, you can borrow one from Carmax for 24 hours. For free. Don't even have to rent it. If they have one of course.
I own a renovation company. Have 3/ 5.0L plus the lightning now. I was nervous about switching to the lightning. For the work I do, mostly working around town max 250km a day. The lightning has been an amazing work truck. I was on the boat that it would not be a great work truck and would run into range issues but it has not been the case. I have also come to notice that you can not rely on the range it tells you. Need to go off battery percentage. 10 usually get me 40min driving.
Ya I also noticed the range is sort of guess work from the truck. But I would agree, if you are just using the truck in town going from site to site and charging at night it could make great sense. save a ton of money on fuel no doubt.
1st time seen the placement of charge port on Chevy truck mentioned as a con - good point!! I have had the Lightning XLT ER for 6 mo.s and 15k mi. No problems thus far. The fuel savings are a BIG deal. So are various incentives!!!Through late spring summer and up til now the range has been good. The cold/heater take a hit. Up to around 30% . Pure highway driving takes another hit. Up to 10-15 % or more for serious speeding. Most of my trips are around 80 miles each way, 75 or 80 mph so 180 miles is no prob in 1 day. And as 1 guy pointed out you can charge 15 minutes or so and do the rest at home if needed. So this truck saves me big money. The performance and ride are awesome. As a commuter type work vehicle this truck is very very very good. If you tow often and/or drive long highway distances frequently then consider all options carefully and do your homework. Quick things 1) on board power is a big deal. 2) the frunk is a big deal 3) one pedal driving is an upgrade over ice vehicles 4) can run climate/pro power for hrs and hrs (days even)without engine exhaust/noise 5) no transmission gears up or down shifting annoyance....ever... just consistency and same with engine noise 6) still havent tried flooring it .....halfway is incredible enough.
After three years of electric vehicle vehicle operation, I have come to appreciate even more than I did to start with The important factor is the ability to charge it when needed not necessarily a large battery ….so if considering one of these trucks, you will not be disappointed in anyway as long as you operate it within the realm of from your home to the next place you need to get it charged and usually that’s back to your home again, but if your business requires you or your activities require you to go on longer trips and the infrastructure is not there then the time may not be right unless you just love to explore ,thank you!
No one doing regular towing is going to buy an eletric truck. Sure it's fine down to the river and back but if you tow say a camper it's not practical at all
Battery packs are good for longer times than first thought, 184,000 to 240,000 now. Purchased a used Platinum with low miles, had 2 years now, only rotate tires every 10,000 per Ford. Also I have to fill up the windshield washer. Any Ford say to charge to 100 percent when leaving on a trip. I usually drive 2 to 3 hours before I need to take a pitstop, so I charge for about 20 min and go on. Most comfortable truck I have ever taken a trip in.
I have a Rapid Red ‘22 Lariat ER I bought new for 90K with every option. Have driven it 2 years 44,000 miles in Washington State where we have pricy gas and cheap electricity. Absolutely love this truck for where I live. Vast, vast majority of my charging is cheap .09/kWh from home. Now with the Tesla Supercharger access road trips are easy, even with towing as more often they have a pull through. Our climax is mild but we do have a few weeks a year in the below freezing temps. My work commute is 86 miles and the worst cold weather range I have seen is 220mi. That’s far more than my commute. Spacious, much better ride than a gas F150 with its Indy rear suspension and jet smooth and rocket fast. I tow my Boston Whaler all over Washington; ain’t never going back to gas
Current discounts on new are running in the neighborhood of 30%, so the $70k Flash model you tested is going for around $50k actual transaction price in US. Makes that 1 year 30% depreciation a lot more palatable when you got the benefit of it on purchase.
A truck like this is not for someone who has this as their only vehicle. Right now EV owners own their homes and do 90% of their charging at home. 10-90% home charging costs about ten bucks overnight. And of course, they have more than one car. Check out the channel The Electric Viking. He's all over the EV scene worldwide. Today's video is about Shell selling over 1,000 of it's gas stations in Spain to Tesla to be converted to Superchargers. That will start happening here and those are laid out like a standard drive through gas station so no problem with a trailer. Solid state batteries are already in production now along with other different batteries that double the range with half the weight and five minute charge times. This is happening now and it's the reason why Ford and GM are backing off a bit with their EV's because they know within just a few years the whole EV landscape will change. As a former car guy, think about buying a new diesel truck right now for 80K and in a few years you can buy an equivalent EV truck with 1,000 miles range and every truck stop along every highway has drive through chargers. What could that do to the diesel truck resale value? At that point fuel prices could be much higher because Econ 101 says decreased production due to lower demand equals higher prices. The other problem with EV adoption is infrastructure. Lots of work needs to be done to upgrade the grid but the big issue there is not EV charging it's AI Data Centers. Those things are unbelievable energy hogs but are also very important. Upgrades to accommodate data centers will also allow for EV charging virtually anywhere. As others have said, we're just a bit premature right now with full EV adoption but it's coming and sooner than you think.
I own a Lightning. I rent and charge at home. Charging 10-80% costs about $6. I drive 100 miles per day and it costs me $3.50 to charge every day. Much better than the $20 per day with gas. I also have 3 other gas vehicles, but never drive them because they are more expensive and a bigger hassel to drive. The resale values are not as they seem, nobody is paying MSRP, and there are also tax incentives. I got my $80k Lariat for $56k new, so I'm sure my savings make that first year stat look bad. As far as infrastructure, most EVs are charged at night when there is excess supply of power, so there is typically not excess load on the grid. We now have two EVs, and I know a handful of people personally that will be making their next vehicle an EV do to low cost of ownership.
@danielhonas334 which politicians? Both want to subsidize and prop up legacy auto and their unions. Let the money do the talking, not politicians. The EV is going to save you money in the long run.
My suggestion for these manufactures would be a hybrid version that would be like a diesel locomotive, electric motors powered by a diesel engine coupled to a generator, makes more sense to me.
@@DIYtryerDodge has ZERO to do with it champ. The last Dodge truck left the production line 2010. RAM’s have been built in Chrysler Production Plants since they split into completely seperate brands way back then. So RAM has designed the Ramcharger, not Dodge.
No. Hybrids are the worst. If you really need to tow long distance, go diesel. If you only need to tow < 150 miles or can't wait for it to charge, EVs are better than hybrids in terms of cost and maintenance.
@@tripzero0 Sorry, maybe I put it out wrong, the truck would not be classified as a hybrid, do you consider a locomotive a hybrid? There is no battery packs, the diesel engine is considered part of the prime mover package, not a system to charge a battery, but turn a generator that powers electric drive motors.
Hey Cutie, even as a Ford guy, I’m not willing to make the jump mainly because it limits my road tripping ability and it does get to -40c where I live. And if I did, I would only lease it.
We have had ours since March and have put 25k miles on it. It's been great. The only problem it has is towing long distance. Everything else can't be beat.
@@nuts5388 well, you might want to let most truck owners know that. Most people use them as big sedans. I use mine to haul cargo and materials which this does really well.
I have a flash model. Got it for super cheap. So far I’m liking it. I used to have a powerboost. Between the 2 I like the powerboost a little more but the lightning is still pretty convenient
Came to leave my two cents but so many beat me to it. Well over 200 comments and most that I read were positive. To my surprise. I have a 2023 XLT standard range and live in NJ. Not too terribly cold most of the time. Drive mostly local. 21 months of ownership and 23k miles. No major issues. AC lines replaced early on. Small water intrusion from windshield. Driven out of state several times. Charging not a problem for me (yet anyway). Obviously, as said, if you tow regularly look elsewhere. Many people don’t tow. I don’t. But still need a bed to haul stuff. *think if the cost savings on maintenance alone!!!
We brought 2 of them into the fleet this year and they are saving us a fortune. About $4k a piece in fuel and maintenance vs the gas trucks they replaced. I agree they aren't marketing the cost savings to businesses as well as they could.
I pulled my 40000 mile Chevy Bolt brakes apart yesterday because I needed to swap out a washer between the CV and hub and retorque the CV nuts. The brake pads looked like they still have 95% life left on them.
I've got a silverado 4wt and i can tell you honestly, range drop with cold weather is 30% up until -20 then it'l drop a little more but we haven't had real cold days yet. My neibourgh bought a lightning extended range. We both love our trucks because they both fit the needs we have. He doesn't tow so he's very happy I tow a lot so i need all the battery (specially during winter now). Bad thing about the lightning is from 2024+, no more 80amp level 2 charging. That is a bummer.
The Extended Range EV powertrain is the answer. Ram is rolling out the Ramcharger next year and I think Ford follows suit with the next Lightning based on the next-gen F150.
Hi Alex. Huge surprise to me. I can see your video translated into spanish.😊 Thanks. I think the EV is an option to city and not work and never to hard work or tow. It's not its time yet. Definitive the option to work, recreational service and heavy duty is at gas and diesel engines. Depreciation and reach in miles on route give terror! 😮 Great job and excellent video as always. Really I appreciate it's. BIG HUGE and take care so much; i can see the wheather is very cold!! Thank you! 🤠
What "work" are we talking about? Aside from towing long distances, the lightning surpasses the ICE variants in every way. If you work with your truck earning money and drive < 240 miles a day, the lightning is a no-brainer. You will save a lot of money on fuel and maintenance.
FWIW I was able to make a Portland/Eugene roundtrip in 35-45°F on one full charge (~250mi total). I think electrics are especially sensitive to driving style, and generally slower is better (especially on the highway). Who knows, perhaps these will help reverse the stereotype about overly aggressive pickup drivers.
Great review. I own a 23 Lightning and absolutely love it. A lot of what you said is valid and a lot of it is incorrect or skewed. 1) depreciation. You are basing your values off of MSRP. Yes a lot of manufactures stick to MSRP especially during the COVID years and chip shortages but Ford normally discounts them heavily. Although my Platinum has almost a 117K Canadian MSRP, I bought mine brand new for $82k Canadian. If you bought any vehicle, ICE or EV during peak pricing covid years, you are going to see high depreciation. You happened to pick the years when pricing was crazy for all vehicles 2) EV's are not like ICE vehicles where you drive until your tank hits empty and you fill up again. You fill up at home every night and start full again in the morning. Yes Ford recommends 90% if you are not expecting to use the extra range the next day, If you need 100% because you are going on a long trip, then charge to 100%. You get to decide. If you do a lot of long distance driving, an EV truck is not for you but I thing there is a huge market for people like me that don't even crack 100km in a day. 3) Charging from public infrastructure should be reserved for long distance trips only. The savings are extreme when you charge at home. I pay $.06/kw. Multiply that by 131kw battery and it's under $8 to get 500km. 4). Changing the Battery. If you take care of your battery, it will last 500 000km or longer. It's equally expensive to replace an engine or transmission which usually die a lot quicker than that. Do some have defects and die early....Sure, that's what the 8 year warranty is for. Do some engines have defects and die early.... They sure do but how long are those warranties. You basically said it at the front of your video. A lot less that can go wrong on these.
Fair enough, In guess for me personally (and I maybe should of clarified this in the video) having a truck not able to go longer distances is just not practical for what I'd be looking for if that makes sense. But you make valid points, ultimately like most trucks it simply comes down to what your intended use is and I guess for me a gas truck is more practical at this point in time.
@@GettysGarage Exactly. Thanks for having an open mind. It's no different then if you haul plywood every day and review a car. Obviously a car would suck, but does that mean cars suck? EV Trucks are not for everyone but if it fits your use case, they are undeniably a way better choice. I own a business and like I said, stay in town most of the time. I store and charge my tools in a secure frunk, never waste time at gas stations because I always charge at home for 1/10 the cost, It tows and hauls better than any ICE half ton out there (just not for long distances), The acceleration and low centre of gravity make it a blast to drive, Due to the 50/50 weight distribution, its the best truck I've ever owned in the snow, I power entire job sites silently with the plugs in in the back and I can save my house from freezing over in the event of a catastrophic power failure. On the negative side, I do like to travel once a year on a holiday so I do have to make a few extra pee breaks. So for me, it came down to, do all the pro's I get for 51 weeks of the year worth a few inconvenient stops one week of the year. The answer was hell yeah. For others it may not be. There is no wrong answer. My main point is to everyone who hates EV trucks, just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not the best choice for someone else.
I call BS on your assertion that a battery is the same cost as an engine or trans. Multiple manufacturers of MUCH smallers cars charge as high as 60k for a battery. Have you priced one for your truck? $50k plus installation. And I am willing to bet insurance is also higher vs a similar truck with a gas engine.
@@Mountain-Man-3000 50k may be right for an all out battery swap. I haven't priced an engine replacement but I assume it wouldn't be cheap either. My point of relating a failed battery to a failed engine is that it's not the norm to replace a battery or an engine. A low percentage of both of them do fail though. Nobody goes into buying an ICE truck thinking....well I'm going to have to replace the engine in 6 years when the warranty is up so I better add that to the cost. As I said, there are many reports of batteries lasting 500 000km and longer. The warranty is 8 Years 160 000km. That doesn't mean you need to replace the battery just like you don't need to replace your your engine after its warranty is up. For insurance, I pay a little over $1800 CAN/year for my 23 Platinum Lightning. I have other ICE trucks that cost slightly less but they are much older. I have no idea how that compares to a 2023 ICE F150 Platinum. If anyone in Canada has one and is willing to share, it would be nice to compare.
@@Mountain-Man-3000respectfully, he’s right about the parity between engine work and batteries especially over a 5-10 year time horizon. Engine replacement or rebuilding is labor intensive so will continue to increase in cost over time. Battery replacement is supply intensive without much labor, and lithium prices are dropping those supply costs each year. In 2029, a replacement battery will be easily cheaper than an engine rebuild
The company that does the maintenance on Edmonton’s ring road has a few lightning trucks, curious how they’d work in -30C temps this winter. These electric trucks would only work well on a construction or concrete crew, keeping it in the city and spending most of its time running the power tools.
I recently did a trip @-12F across Wisconsin and it did fine. Range went down from summer but I also wasn’t shy with the heat either. At 70-75 mph average the windchill would have been off the charts. But I was toasty and a short 20 minute DC charge got my my whole distance and I had to pee so I picked a place to take care of that and get a coffee too. Total trip was 250 miles and with the quick charge left me with 45-50 miles left when I got there.
Battery pack is repairable, Ford put individual modules that are replaceable in the battery pack. I get about 250 miles on a trip in warmer weather, 220 miles in cold with my 300 mile battery pack. Town driving only it’s about 300 miles.
Always enjoy your discussions, especially on Ford! I am happy with my F150 and would not buy a Lighting, but it was interesting to learn more about it. And holy kamoly … $36k for a new battery. 😱
I don't need to tow anything heavy any distance more than a couple of km's so that doesn't concern me. I'll be pluggin our Off Grid cabin into our ER Lariat and if I get too low, I'll drive into town 15 minutes away and charge up for an hour. Agreed, the depreciation is probably the one knock on EV's that is not debatable . The closer it gets to the warranty running out on the battery, the more people who will be scared away, in an already small demographic. I'm hoping to keep the truck for a long time, and crossing my fingers that the new batteries in 10 years will be cheaper and have more range, as battery trends are definitely moving this way.
Great video overall, but a little bit of EV ignorance here. 1. The expected range shown on the screen is calculated based on how you've been driving recently. If you've been checking the truck out and flooring it everywhere, this number will be lower. Additionally, unfortunately, it's just not super accurate. Better to get used to watching the battery percentage. 2. The 90% charge limit is only for daily use. You can charge to 100% for trips. For cold, just plug the truck in at night and have it be warm already when you're ready to go. If you use the truck's built in navigation to go to a DC fast charger, it will heat the battery on the way for fast charging. The 2024s got a heat pump, which helps with winter range. I haven't noticed much difference in range down to about -8° C. That's about as cold as it gets here. Last, the depreciation, I think, is down to market conditions. We're coming off once one of the craziest car markets in history. Plus the MSRP of the Lariat is 79k now. Recalculate based on that MSRP and it's much better. Anyone that buys at the top of an inflated car market will get screwed. Just look at G Wagon owners.
As a Ford tech, i think the lightnings are only good if you dont really tow/haul anything, but want a truck for the rare times you do. With that being said, if i were to buy one, I'd definitely wait 2-3 yrs for them to depreciate even more like the MachEs. As for repairs, I have not had to replace any motors. But i have had to replace a one or two battery modules, and a whole bunch high voltage charging modules and high voltage harnesses, which are very pricey. And unlike a ICE engine/vehicle, ford has does not recommend repairing High Voltage Harnesses (which im sure theyll find a way in the future.)
They wont let you tow because towing reduces the range by 80%. It basically becomes useless. JerryRIgEverything made a video towing 10,000 lbs and it got about 80-100 miles of range
@ they are absolutely kind to let you review the truck, and your reviews are always stellar! Ford just need to be honest about range and actual abilities of these lightenings. Keep on keeping on, Brother!
I've got a 23 lightning. If you tow less than 100 miles, and I think that would cover most people, it's a beast at towing. If you are going to be towing long distance, or a ton these are not for you. The Silverado EV would be a better bet. If you are like me, and haul air 98% of the time, and only need to haul or tow something every so often these can't be beat on fuel economy charging at home.
It has an e-locking rear differential. Also a parking pawl, missing on a lot of EVs. And a steel frame. All he other EV trucks are some version of unibody.
Practical is a funny word to use. Practical as as all around truck, I say no. Practical as a around town beater? Yep. This 60k truck (one the cheap end) is as good as a 1988 s10 running on 3 cylinders.
@TheGettyAdventures , we road trip our lighting a couple times a month on 6 to 7 hour trips. It's honestly not much worse than the Crown Vic we came from, same distance on a tank, and by the time you take a piss and get something to eat it is charged and ready to go.
If you keep charging on dc fast charging your range will be capped, you'll never see the guessometer work well.. Charge on ac at home and learn 1 pedal drive watch your full range nature before you eyes. Some cities when I do uberx I can pull 400 miles on 1 charge. Excluding highway travelling.
Keep in mind that that Tesla sales figure combines the Model X, S, and CT in that sales figure. In reality they’ve sold significantly less Cyber Trucks than most think.
Hahaha. He said "it is 6° outside, so it realy isn't that cold." hahahaha We were happy to have low 90's° on Thanksgiving & 80's°F for this upcoming 2024 X-mas day. (here in deep South Texas)
Alex... great video, but you failed to tell us the 2nd most important thing about that Lightning. #1 was the range you covered.. #2 how long does it take to recharge the battery when out on that 900 mile road trip to your family's for Thanksgiving? How many hours does it take to recharge the depleted battery to the 90% level?
0-80 is probably 45-50 mins but that's a false problem. Most EVs you spend 10-15 mins at the faster charging rates. You charge enough to get to the next super charger or about 2.5-3 hours of driving.
I have a tesla model Y for fun, the range is pretty much a joke in my area due to lack of chargers. I have my f350 with a 60 gallon tank installed so I can go 1600km plus on a tank. I will never replace my truck until I can go 1000km on a charge. Even the chevy EV is only about 700km range but it's not a 1 ton.
Honestly it’s well thought of it’s just 10 yards short. These trucks should be getting at least 500 miles no matter what time of year. We’re 124 years behind the curve and we are trying to get it back within a decade. They need to develop an energy storage system that is not toxic to the environment. Honestly that will probably happen in the next millennium. My advice is use it like a Fleetwood Brougham d’Elegance and just drive it around town and rent a ICE for long range travel. Great Videos Thank You 🙏
If I had the funds for something like this I'd keep my current truck for long distance use and this would be for short drives. Electric is always best used in spurts like a cordless drill. Small trip here, small trip there, stuck in stop-n-go traffic and back home. Gas truck for interstate travel to the next state over.
The thing I hate about the lightning is that it has independent rear suspension, and since my F150 EcoBoost has Onspot automatic tire chains on it that would be kind of a dealbreaker for me since Onspot does not fit independent rear suspensions, unfortunately
Like every other vehicle it's all about how you're going to use it. If I didn't tow a travel trailer I'd definitely look at one. When I get rid of the trailer I may get one.
100% correct, I guess for me personally that low range just isn't practical for me. but if you don't need a truck to leave town with then this could be a very real option!
New Lightinings in my area seem to be going for 10-15k off MSRP so I dont know that 30% depreciation is realistic. An 80k Lariat is being advertised at 65k. Used 2023/2024's with 20k miles seem to be in the 55-60k range. So the depreciation seems to be ~15% on average.
@@Jay-me7gw that’s not depreciation, that’s MSRP being too high and not being a good enough haggler to never pay retail. If you buy new at the price you see advertised for used rigs then depreciation won’t be so bad if you need to sell . I bought my ext range Pro for almost 12k off sticker. Based on used market prices I am confident I could get a price within 8-9% after putting almost 9k on it. Probably better as it’s a very rare trim combination for retail.
10:53 was an incoherent sentence. EV depreciation 30%, which is "8 10 times higher than the average gasoline vehicle." That is impossible EV depreciation is 10 times higher, that would make a normal depreciation car 3% a year which is definitely not the case. maybe 10 percentage points higher?
Another misunderstood point is the battery life. Lightning comes standard with 160k km warranty, which can be extended to 200k. On top of that, it's modular, unlike Tesla & Hyundai products. The Flash you drove has 16 modules, so if a particular one degrades or faults, it will cost a fraction of what the FUD chuckers are claiming. Lastly, in the newest real-word studies, ev batteries are outlasting even the most robust estimates, coming in 30~50% higher in their lifespan expectation than even the OEMs estimated. That's approaching 400,000km on average, twice that of an ICE. Grewat video, but a lot less to worry about than what's out there (also, Donut Media put out a video on the top ten least depreciating evs on the market, and the F150 Lightning came in as the least depreciating ev in the US... Just sayin'
Our company has two lightnings and several other EVs. They have all proven to be very inexpensive to drive and have much more power than the gas versions of the same vehicles. Range does sometimes require some thought, but it has yet to cause any serious concerns. For the vast majority of drivers, an EV should be a no brainer. However, everyone should consider what their actual needs are for a vehicle. So far local towing has not been a problem for us. On another note. When looking at depredations, it,s important to remember that high end vehicles will depreciate more quickly. The more expensive trims will have a greater loss. Much like buying a BMW.
I think these are cool rigs, but I have a 900km drive to get to the nearest sizable city from where I live. I have to cross a mountain range no matter what direction I go, and it gets down to -40°C here in the winter (not windchill, actual temperature). My current truck gets 1,000km/tank, until an EV can touch that, I will be staying far away.
Over the last while in looking at trucks in stock at the largest Ford dealer here in north western Alberta, the same F150 lightning is sitting on their lot for sale ... I mean its the ONLY lightning on their lot and its a 2023 model which by the km of 2700 is a demo which makes sense. So while the claim is the sales are up compared to last year, a salesman would have died from starvation long ago if they were only relying solely on EV sales. Right at first there were some sales, I know someone who bought one early on and only got it as a play toy as money is no object in his situation. I expect it would be quite the interesting test to have one sitting in the cold of -40 after being charged so the battery gets cold soaked to be fair as so many vehicles sit outside. Then drive it until it dies, see how far it can go and followed by a tow truck to haul it back.
I live in Northern Alberta and have a lightning. As I am sure you know, Alberta is Oil country and there is enormous push back on EV's. The mentality is, if we don't buy them, EV's will go away... lol... okay sure. So yes, lightning sales have been slow in Alberta which means they are selling even faster in other areas or are you implying Ford's posted sales are a lie. The lightning performs better than my Ice truck in -40c. Starts up instantly and the cabin gets heated up in no time. Best winter vehicle I've ever had. The weight of the battery that is evenly distributed to both front and back give it excellent handling on snow and ice. Yes in EXTREME cold (which happens a few weeks of the year) the range gets cut in half (so about 250km) but I never travel past 100km in a day so it works great for me. Just plug it in at the end of the day in my warm garage and Its full in the morning and it only cost me a few bucks. No more standing at a gas station in -40C filling up my tank once a week. I get that a lot of people travel long distances every day and you would be right, it's not for you then. But for those of us that don't, it's an amazing truck.
@@darpompie4354 Oh yes I pretty much assume a certain percentage of people up in this part of Alberta have a negative outlook towards the EV simply because it may be perceived as a threat to their livelihood perhaps. But also in logical terms Alberta is already struggling with a lack of electricity capacity during peak times and that typically is when its cold. Adding many high draw EV's to an already taxed electrical grid could literally be life threatening as after all a house furnace can't run if there is no electricity due to a major outage or literally shut down of power. Put another way our infrastructure just isn't set up for a volume of people switching from an ICE vehicle over to an EV and there is no easy cheap or fast way to change our electrical grid across the province, city systems were never designed for that much draw. They can't keep up with dated sewer/water systems failing, never mind the electrical grid. As to the Lightning sales, its not that I am claiming they are misleading their sales figures, I just hear from different sources that the actual number of sales are so small that it does not take very many sales in a year to be a bump in sales year over year and that many of them are being stored on Fords lots having never been shipped to dealers because some dealers are having a hard time selling them. As to your own experience and use of the Lightning, your scenario is working because you are not depending on going a long distance in a short period of time and your storing it in a heated garage. I expect if you were to have it charged and then it sit outside for at least 48 hours if not longer to give it a good cold soak, that would be interesting to see how it responded with range as I am fairly sure your heated garage is enhancing your EV experience. As to ICE vehicles, you and me both know they are certainly not perfect at all, some aspects that an EV does not have to worry about, the maintenance required for the driveline as well as the costs inured, and how they have choked up the diesel engine with failure prone and very expensive parts for the emissions system. However when it comes to being mobile with ones own means for remote and long distance prompt travel, be that packing extra fuel etc and not having to rely on a charging station grid just isn't an option. I'll throw out a couple of examples of a typical driving scenario. I have to travel around 200 km just to go to town to do business and back home and spend all day in town from place to place and during the winter that means heat in the cab on and off for hours through the day. If I need to tow a trailer to town to haul items that do not fit in the back of the pickup, again there is that extra fuel required to now pull a trailer with weight and wind resistance. So lets say one decided to head down to Two Lakes and the Kakwa Falls trail ( if your familiar with that area ), be it summer or winter. If any sort of trailer is towed down there it is going to take a full tank just to make the trip out and back to GP and better pack extra fuel. These are are fairly basic typical examples of drives that are not even all that far, nothing compared to how far and remote one can go in this part of the province. If I had an EV pickup, I wouldn't be able to do any of them during the winter and so only in the summer driving empty to GP could I make use of one. So for my situation I can't begin to justify such a purchase for the limited amount of use I would be able to get out of it. The fact that in your situation for your use it does easily make sense and is saving you money in fuel and repair costs, it totally makes sense why you decided to give the EV a shot. I know, its a long post now that I look back at it but takes more than five words to lay out the picture.
@@charlesb4267 I completely understand your view point and the way you use your truck, there is no way I would recommend an EV. My point is that some people solely view things from how they use it and then make broad statements. (Ie. an EV doesn't work for me so they are complete garbage). I'm Just saying that there are uses they excel at. When it comes to unstable power grids, EV's will be part of the solution. The problem with all the renewable energy (Solar and Wind) coming aboard is that they are unstable in themselves. Solar only makes power during the day and wind only generates major power when it's windy. Systems are in the works where they will use people's EV's to store the extra energy produced in the day and then take it back (they will pay you) when the grid needs extra juice. On a large scale, this will stabilize the grid. For myself, I already threw on a bunch of solar panels so I am basically self sufficient for my home and transportation. During the day, My solar panels send energy to my truck and or back to the grid where I get money back. At night, I pay enmax to get back the power I gave them and pay there stupid administration fees for the privilege. In the event of a power failure, I have 131KW battery that will power my furnace and fridges for weeks. It hasn't turned to -40C since I've owned the truck but I have left it out for an entire day (approx 10hrs) in -25C and it instantly started. Again... Not saying anyone should get one. I run a business and stay in the city so it works for me. I am sure there are a lot of people in similar circumstances where this truck will work fantastic and save them a ton of money on top of the other perks it provides. For others that go long distances all the time... stay away... Just letting people with strong opinions know from someone that owns and owned Gas F150's to F450 diesels, the lightning is not junk. It's extremely capable and one of the best trucks you can buy if it fits your use case.
@@darpompie4354 I agree with what your saying as per the type of expected use one has for a vehicle and aside from the lack of electricity capacity issues at peak times, an EV and city driving or within shorter distances from a central location is where at this point with battery technology they have a good fit. Interesting as to what you are able to do with solar panels as you must have something set up that sheds the snow and also angles to follow the suns path ?. What I typically have heard is that up this far north during the winter that solar was very limited and goes without saying that setups that get covered in snow are useless. I have relates who had a house in Cali and they rigged it up with a lot of solar to the point that they were negative in their power bill at the end of the year and thats with lots of air conditioning use, the sun remains a lot higher in the sky and they never get snow so it really worked well down there. However the power company did not pay them for the power they put into the grid at the end of a years time, but it was the back and forth day vs night power sent out or power consumed that was all calculated by their meter. I can only guess that there are aspects of your panels that are quite different from panels that would have been made lets say 20+ years ago in efficiency etc.
@@charlesb4267 Solar panels do keep getting better (more efficient) every year. It makes it hard to evaluate because if you heard a storey of an experience 5 years ago, it may not hold true today. My solar panels are not "special" in any way, other than they provide more wattage per panel than older ones. Alberta is actually a great place for solar, but you are completely right, in winter, when we get short days, there is not a lot of time for it to produce much. Snow does severely affect them too but light does still get through to them. Eventually because of the angle and heat they produce, the snow slides off. So yes, there are a lot of times in winter, when you are getting low input but to counter that, in summer, our days in Alberta are very long and very sunny. When I say I am self sufficient, I don't mean, I'm off grid. We have such a teeter totter of sun shift from summer to winter that you just can't do that here. I have a bidirectional meter so when I need power, I buy, when I make extra power, I sell. the rate per kw is both the same for in or out. So in winter, I definitely buy more than I produce, but in summer, my meter is going nuts in the opposite direction. What I mean by self sufficient is that if you average out the ins and the outs during a 12 month span, it pretty well evens out. On the same lines. Another thing I want to point out about EV's and the grid is that, at least on my lightning, I have the ability to make schedules for when it charges. So even if I plug it in at home, it doesn't start charging unless it's during that schedule. I have it set up so it only charges in the day when I am producing with solar. Others can set it to only charge at night during low peak hours. Some places where grid power is even worse than ours, they have different rates for peak and non peak hours. So the idea to stabilize the grid is to have EV's charge at the low rate times and then sell back during expensive peak hours, thus incentivizing people to jump on.
I personally think the dumbest thing they have done with EVs is the lack of charge ports. One under the front and back license plate would be killer. Especially because I've had weird places I had to park the rental sideways to charge it.
At 40k km my battery state of health is 99.5 %. So it's still all there. Also the battery is a modular design, meant for fleet use. So if you end up with bad cells at high mileage you can replace 1 out of the 9 modules only. So far the 1500 dollars electricity the truck has consumed, with 36k km this year, would have been 8500 dollars with my Ram 1500 Hemi. So far so good! Will reassess at 160k km. One truck online had 97% state of health at 160k km. Just about the mileage the lifters flatten out on the 5.7. You pay to drive in one way shape or form or another.
Its cool its just not for towing in all honesty the ranger should have been the ev/erev/hybrid platform because until the charging speed and power capacity meets or exceeds gas/diesel it just can't hit full parity...yet
I wish our (US) electricity costs were as cheap as they are in canada but from what my Canadian friend and I have seen, you guys are paying about 1/4 what we are in the states.
Hi. I'm going to buy a truck for work. Sometimes I need to pull a trailer weighing 4 tons. I can't decide which truck. I've looked at a lot of yours, apparently - and I realized that I shouldn't get involved with a diesel. What should I choose? Chevrolet? Or Dodge... I don't know. I think I'll go with a gasoline engine. Although there are various problems there too... The task is to tow a trailer of about 3 tons every day. What would you advise? 😢
Look at a 2500 gasser if you are towing daily, a Diesel will give you the best performance but I would say something like a F250 7.3L godzilla with 4.30 gears will be pretty darn powerful and you won't need to be worried about emissions.
How many miles a day? A Lightning with max trailer towing and big battery will tow a four ton trailer like a beast. Just not across a state or province without lots of stops. Seriously, I had a 2500 Ram Cummins and my current Lightning is a much better towing rig in all way but side mirrors and absolute range.
@@GettysGarage She said "No!", but she really says "Yes!" I had a GF that despised mororcycles....until I took her for a ride (at that time) on my Shadow Sabre 1100. She was giggling the whole way 🙂
You say 210 miles worth of charge is limiting, but you can charge it above 90% when charging at home. Slow charge it at home and put a generator in the trunk and drive around with it (and tow some) this winter and see how much fuel you end up using from the generator.
@TheGettyAdventures I just feel like someone who did that would probably end up burning less than 5 gallons of fuel over the course of a summer, and probably 10-20 gallons over the course of a winter
Real life: probably a very good 2nd vehicle. Back & forth to work, errands. Also, that you are wealthy enough to assume a likely trade in value of $0 down the road. If that is the case - good to go….
if there's ever an EV that isn't priced stupid and has a decent resale value, I might buy one for a daily and keep an IC for the weekend. Tesla is almost there as they have a decent resale but still not close enough.
TFL does a great job in my opinion. I can only image the pressures they are under from manufacturers while trying to keep it real for the viewers. But I appreciate the love!
Yes, the batteries get weaker over time, but doesn't a gas or diesel engine lose power over the same length of time? I am just about to take the plunge into an electric truck, and my though was for the 1 or 2 trips a year that are longer range, what I save in gas the rest of the year would pay for a rental.
New engine in my 2007 Yukon at 150000 miles. New transfer case shortly after. And the worlds largest black oil spot on my relatively new garage floor too. So far 8000 miles in the lightning, nothing… not even washer fluid. And my fueling costs 25% of what driving my now completely retired Yukon and Dodge Cummins used in gas/diesel.
@@michaelwitkiewicz7052 just found out that I can charge at home for 3 cents a kwh. So, 100kw would cost 3 bucks? 3 bucks for around 200 miles is... crazy cheap.
@@briankeithwood welcome to EVs! The downside is pay that for awhile then go get your first public charge at twenty times that rate…. Don’t get me wrong, you’ll still love your truck, but you’ll make efforts to avoid public charging even if it’s still relatively inexpensive.
@@michaelwitkiewicz7052 until I get the home charger installed, I am stuck with public charging... so right now it cost much more than my old car to drive per mile.
@ the first 2-3 months I had my Lightning, I used my mobile EVSE (charger) and 120v outlet. It’s slow as hell but with a good 12ga cord and a good receptacle I was able to do most of my local driving on that alone. Another tip if it will be awhile and you have a solid 20amp 120v circuit available, you can convert the 20amp circuit, if it using to code conductors, to a 6-20r 240v circuit with receptacle and 240v 20amp double pull breaker. That will give you about 3.6 kWH. Plug in as soon as you get home thats 25to33% depending on you battery. Or another way, at 2 miles per kWh, thats more then 70 miles of range
They, much like all first model modern EVs, were a bit premature for the market with kinks to work out. Where these would shine is if they had solid state batteries IMO. I'd imagine that there'd be a drastic drop in weight if it had that type of battery with the same capacity. That would definitely help with the range, and from what I understand they can change at a faster rate which helps with convince, granted the surge of power they would draw could be handled by the infrastructure. Given the direction we are headed politically and in general as far as automotives go, I don't think we'll see them develop much further any time soon unfortunately, which is kinda sad since I do think these and EVs have a legit place in the automotive market, albeit nowhere near the "carbon buster" some folks have touted them as.
Range is only a problem for a small minority of truck buyers. If you drive less than 200 miles per day and are able to charge it where it parks overnight then the convenience and maintenance/time savings are un beatable.
I have no idea why Ford told him not to tow with it because there are countless of reviews for 3 years now where everyone and their dog tows with it. Instead of speculating, let me tell you how it tows. With its 775lbft of torque and evenly distributed heavy weight, it tows better than any ICE half ton you can get and rivals heavy duty diesels. The only caveat is that it eats up half the range if you are towing boxy heavy weight. If you own a business such as myself that tows heavy loads but stays in town, the towing is unmatched by any ICE half ton. If you tow long distances every once in a while and can live with some charge breaks, it may or may not be worth the other advantages you get. If you tow long distances all the time, then don't get any EV truck. There you have it... Conspiracy theories averted.
I'd rather keep my diesel. Not interested in EV's what so ever... Not practical for what I do. Cant believe they told you not tow with it. makes no sense. Also cybertruck sales are just for a fashion statement, bragging rights, that's it. I have to give ford some credit because it doesn't look different than a normal f150.
The issue with this truck is that it's priced the same as the Silverado EV. If it was still 39,999 which Ford priced because of the limitations of this truck in the marketplace... Slam dunk.
If you are supposed to charge to 90% shouldn’t they advertise the range number at the 90% charge? And why not calibrate everything so that the battery reads 100% when charged to 90%. And leave that 10% buffer behind the scenes.
I have xlt standard range, best truck ever. Got it for $52k usd and got 7.5k back. I am putting between 100-150 miles per day in city with a lot of “ idling” mainly AC or heat. It took around 10 to 12 gallons daily with 5l coyote engine. Significantly cheaper miles when charging and no maintenance for 27,000 miles. Also I have propower and used it during last hurricane that hit Carolinas. Powered the house with the truck for a week. Had to recharge twice - every 3 days. There was no gas in the area but Tesla supercharger next to me was operational almost within 24 hours, the gas wasn’t available for much longer. Planning to install solar and battery backup on my property. The truck is more fun to drive than a raptor, it can push a train but not suitable for long distance towing, basically suitable for just 95% of the owners.
I have warranty for 120k miles, I hope it drops under warranty 80% so I can get a new battery. My coyote had a catastrophic failure at 65k and was replaced by new engine. By 150k miles the truck would have paid itself. My gas bill is around $10k annually. I have already solar (after hurricane-really at the price of Generac back up generator) and electricity ⚡️ is free. I hope it’s dependent and reliable as a Tesla, time will show.
Considering I’ve seen some fleet versions of these hit 30,000 miles in a year is still on par with most work trucks. They’re parked at the shop and charged over night at $.15/kw… and then driven 200 miles in the field checking meters and such. Just most people don’t understand that 90% of people don’t drive that 200 miles in a day. And you wake up every morning with a full tank 🤷♂️
People just don't get it. I'm so tired trying to explain this.
Agreed, I guess for me as a "personal" truck it doesn't make sense. BUT as you pointed out in the work truck application having the ability to charge every night it is not a bad solution!
Truck was in for service and they gave me a Lightning as a loaner.
99% battery.....297km range.
Driving experience is nice,power is seemless and plentiful.
I enjoyed the day with it.
But even just running around for the day I dropped range to 140km....cant remember battery %.
The extended range battery would be a must.
@@GettysGarageok, so how far do you drive on an average day? Up to a few years ago I used the drive a 150 miles a day for work, and with my current Lightning I could easily do that. Even at -12 F that I recently did in Northern Wisconsin.
Thank You from Norway. Bought mine 3 months ago (Lariat) for my landscaping business. Towing gravel and equipment around on a daily basis. Workplaces without electricity or lights. So far it does a better job than anything I have ever driven. Not suitable for long distance hauling, but superior for my kind of business.
I've had a standard range XLT for a year now that I use to run a lawn care business. Rarely use more than 50% of the battery. Truck runs all day long keeping AC on or charging other batteries for tools or mowers. I get 100-150 miles pulling a 14' enclosed depending on how much highway or how much I have to charge other stuff. One of the best things is the 240v 30a plug in the bed that I use to charge my primary electric mower. My previous truck was a GMC 2500 with the 6.0 gas. It would get 7-8 mpg doing the same route
I have a 2022 Lariat ER. I have been driving trucks for 50 years. Everything from a Chevy S-10 to a Mack Semi-tractor. Gas and diesel. This is, hands down, the best of them all. And Yes, we road trip with it.
Got a 2023 lightning xlt standard range. Tow a small utility trailer with my atv on it. Get about 140-150 miles on single charge. Almost all the areas I go riding in my state are 200 miles from house. Quick 10-15 minute charge on way back gets me home and I don’t see it as a big deal. Save me about $15-20 per trip vs gas. Regular driving around town saves me a lot more about $10-15 full charge. Honestly for 1/2 ton buyers I think the lightning makes a lot of since. If your towing cross country or pass 7000 pounds you should really be getting an HD.
Honest and fair reviews as always. That's why I love this channel above the others. Not just blanket EV hate but actual facts.
Cannot hate on it if they don’t let u work it. Otherwise it would be trash. That’s why they said don’t tow with it. What are u a dunce.
@@pjbuckmaster Good point but you know at some point that day will come and it will be fair. Down here in the states, you can borrow one from Carmax for 24 hours. For free. Don't even have to rent it. If they have one of course.
F150 Lightning skeptic: Cost, range, cold, depreciation…
Making the wife pee her pants whenever I want, priceless!! 😎
I own a renovation company. Have 3/ 5.0L plus the lightning now. I was nervous about switching to the lightning.
For the work I do, mostly working around town max 250km a day. The lightning has been an amazing work truck.
I was on the boat that it would not be a great work truck and would run into range issues but it has not been the case.
I have also come to notice that you can not rely on the range it tells you. Need to go off battery percentage. 10 usually get me 40min driving.
Ya I also noticed the range is sort of guess work from the truck. But I would agree, if you are just using the truck in town going from site to site and charging at night it could make great sense. save a ton of money on fuel no doubt.
1st time seen the placement of charge port on Chevy truck mentioned as a con - good point!! I have had the Lightning XLT ER for 6 mo.s and 15k mi. No problems thus far. The fuel savings are a BIG deal. So are various incentives!!!Through late spring summer and up til now the range has been good. The cold/heater take a hit. Up to around 30% . Pure highway driving takes another hit. Up to 10-15 % or more for serious speeding. Most of my trips are around 80 miles each way, 75 or 80 mph so 180 miles is no prob in 1 day. And as 1 guy pointed out you can charge 15 minutes or so and do the rest at home if needed. So this truck saves me big money. The performance and ride are awesome. As a commuter type work vehicle this truck is very very very good. If you tow often and/or drive long highway distances frequently then consider all options carefully and do your homework. Quick things 1) on board power is a big deal. 2) the frunk is a big deal 3) one pedal driving is an upgrade over ice vehicles 4) can run climate/pro power for hrs and hrs (days even)without engine exhaust/noise 5) no transmission gears up or down shifting annoyance....ever... just consistency and same with engine noise 6) still havent tried flooring it .....halfway is incredible enough.
Glad the manufacturers are letting you test their rigs
I do appreciate them giving me the truck, it is cool to drive and see how these electric trucks work. Stupid quick
They kinda have to they made to many of them and nobody is buying them
After three years of electric vehicle vehicle operation, I have come to appreciate even more than I did to start with The important factor is the ability to charge it when needed not necessarily a large battery ….so if considering one of these trucks, you will not be disappointed in anyway as long as you operate it within the realm of from your home to the next place you need to get it charged and usually that’s back to your home again, but if your business requires you or your activities require you to go on longer trips and the infrastructure is not there then the time may not be right unless you just love to explore ,thank you!
Dear Ford, come on, let the man tow, that is among the most important information we can learn here.
They wont. JerryRigEverything made a video towing. It reduces range by 80%
No one doing regular towing is going to buy an eletric truck. Sure it's fine down to the river and back but if you tow say a camper it's not practical at all
Battery packs are good for longer times than first thought, 184,000 to 240,000 now. Purchased a used Platinum with low miles, had 2 years now, only rotate tires every 10,000 per Ford. Also I have to fill up the windshield washer. Any Ford say to charge to 100 percent when leaving on a trip. I usually drive 2 to 3 hours before I need to take a pitstop, so I charge for about 20 min and go on. Most comfortable truck I have ever taken a trip in.
Yep, sums up my experience. My bladder is smaller then the range
I have a Rapid Red ‘22 Lariat ER I bought new for 90K with every option. Have driven it 2 years 44,000 miles in Washington State where we have pricy gas and cheap electricity. Absolutely love this truck for where I live. Vast, vast majority of my charging is cheap .09/kWh from home. Now with the Tesla Supercharger access road trips are easy, even with towing as more often they have a pull through. Our climax is mild but we do have a few weeks a year in the below freezing temps. My work commute is 86 miles and the worst cold weather range I have seen is 220mi. That’s far more than my commute. Spacious, much better ride than a gas F150 with its Indy rear suspension and jet smooth and rocket fast. I tow my Boston Whaler all over Washington; ain’t never going back to gas
The first gen lightning with the GT40 equipped 351 was the best version
They look pretty sweet
By far!
Current discounts on new are running in the neighborhood of 30%, so the $70k Flash model you tested is going for around $50k actual transaction price in US. Makes that 1 year 30% depreciation a lot more palatable when you got the benefit of it on purchase.
A truck like this is not for someone who has this as their only vehicle. Right now EV owners own their homes and do 90% of their charging at home. 10-90% home charging costs about ten bucks overnight. And of course, they have more than one car. Check out the channel The Electric Viking. He's all over the EV scene worldwide. Today's video is about Shell selling over 1,000 of it's gas stations in Spain to Tesla to be converted to Superchargers. That will start happening here and those are laid out like a standard drive through gas station so no problem with a trailer.
Solid state batteries are already in production now along with other different batteries that double the range with half the weight and five minute charge times. This is happening now and it's the reason why Ford and GM are backing off a bit with their EV's because they know within just a few years the whole EV landscape will change. As a former car guy, think about buying a new diesel truck right now for 80K and in a few years you can buy an equivalent EV truck with 1,000 miles range and every truck stop along every highway has drive through chargers. What could that do to the diesel truck resale value? At that point fuel prices could be much higher because Econ 101 says decreased production due to lower demand equals higher prices.
The other problem with EV adoption is infrastructure. Lots of work needs to be done to upgrade the grid but the big issue there is not EV charging it's AI Data Centers. Those things are unbelievable energy hogs but are also very important. Upgrades to accommodate data centers will also allow for EV charging virtually anywhere. As others have said, we're just a bit premature right now with full EV adoption but it's coming and sooner than you think.
I remember dial up internet like it was yesterday.
I own a Lightning. I rent and charge at home. Charging 10-80% costs about $6. I drive 100 miles per day and it costs me $3.50 to charge every day. Much better than the $20 per day with gas. I also have 3 other gas vehicles, but never drive them because they are more expensive and a bigger hassel to drive. The resale values are not as they seem, nobody is paying MSRP, and there are also tax incentives. I got my $80k Lariat for $56k new, so I'm sure my savings make that first year stat look bad. As far as infrastructure, most EVs are charged at night when there is excess supply of power, so there is typically not excess load on the grid. We now have two EVs, and I know a handful of people personally that will be making their next vehicle an EV do to low cost of ownership.
@@danielhonas334I don't think people understand your experience. It's like they like burning money.
@@tripzero0, I don't have enough to burn. Have to put my brain in front of what politicians want you to think.
@danielhonas334 which politicians? Both want to subsidize and prop up legacy auto and their unions.
Let the money do the talking, not politicians. The EV is going to save you money in the long run.
My suggestion for these manufactures would be a hybrid version that would be like a diesel locomotive, electric motors powered by a diesel engine coupled to a generator, makes more sense to me.
Dodge is doing
That with a gas generator called the ram charger
@@DIYtryerDodge has ZERO to do with it champ. The last Dodge truck left the production line 2010. RAM’s have been built in Chrysler
Production Plants since they split into completely seperate brands way back then. So RAM has designed the Ramcharger, not Dodge.
@@Dazza-u4c Still the same company, same parts, same engineers.
No. Hybrids are the worst. If you really need to tow long distance, go diesel.
If you only need to tow < 150 miles or can't wait for it to charge, EVs are better than hybrids in terms of cost and maintenance.
@@tripzero0 Sorry, maybe I put it out wrong, the truck would not be classified as a hybrid, do you consider a locomotive a hybrid? There is no battery packs, the diesel engine is considered part of the prime mover package, not a system to charge a battery, but turn a generator that powers electric drive motors.
Hey Cutie, even as a Ford guy, I’m not willing to make the jump mainly because it limits my road tripping ability and it does get to -40c where I live. And if I did, I would only lease it.
These arent for everyone but are for some. Id rather have gas for now but I see the appeal if you don't tow or make super long trips regularly.
So like the main point of a pickup truck
We have had ours since March and have put 25k miles on it. It's been great. The only problem it has is towing long distance. Everything else can't be beat.
@@nuts5388or maybe get this, different trucks for different applications?
I've taken 3 hour trips with no problem. I have the 23 f150 lightning lariat with extended range battery. It does pretty well.
@@nuts5388 well, you might want to let most truck owners know that. Most people use them as big sedans. I use mine to haul cargo and materials which this does really well.
I have a flash model. Got it for super cheap. So far I’m liking it. I used to have a powerboost. Between the 2 I like the powerboost a little more but the lightning is still pretty convenient
Around how much if you don’t mind me asking
Came to leave my two cents but so many beat me to it. Well over 200 comments and most that I read were positive. To my surprise. I have a 2023 XLT standard range and live in NJ. Not too terribly cold most of the time. Drive mostly local. 21 months of ownership and 23k miles. No major issues. AC lines replaced early on. Small water intrusion from windshield. Driven out of state several times. Charging not a problem for me (yet anyway). Obviously, as said, if you tow regularly look elsewhere. Many people don’t tow. I don’t. But still need a bed to haul stuff. *think if the cost savings on maintenance alone!!!
Biggest failure with the Lightening is marketing. They'd sell them by the bushel if they targeted the municipal/service market with a basic XL
They do, Ford Pro sells to businesses and municipalities alike.
The problem is someone who wants a f150 doesnt want an EV,they want a truck.
@@alpe6228 how is that a problem if the regular F-150 is sold alongside this?
We brought 2 of them into the fleet this year and they are saving us a fortune. About $4k a piece in fuel and maintenance vs the gas trucks they replaced. I agree they aren't marketing the cost savings to businesses as well as they could.
@@alpe6228 I wanted one but I wanted a toy truck. 80% of the truck market never scratches their bed.
i use mine my construction company standard range and i can still get 180 to 200 mile range at freezing temps
I pulled my 40000 mile Chevy Bolt brakes apart yesterday because I needed to swap out a washer between the CV and hub and retorque the CV nuts. The brake pads looked like they still have 95% life left on them.
More an more pullthru sites will be coming. Also Tesla chargers work with the rear port.
Cybertruck is about the same as the lightning for sales. The 60k includes model x and s but there is a reported 20k+ recall on Cybertrucks
Recall data says the CT is outselling all other EV trucks by a wide margin. It's on pace to rock 40k for 2024.
I've got a silverado 4wt and i can tell you honestly, range drop with cold weather is 30% up until -20 then it'l drop a little more but we haven't had real cold days yet. My neibourgh bought a lightning extended range. We both love our trucks because they both fit the needs we have.
He doesn't tow so he's very happy
I tow a lot so i need all the battery (specially during winter now).
Bad thing about the lightning is from 2024+, no more 80amp level 2 charging. That is a bummer.
Great info 👍👍
The Extended Range EV powertrain is the answer. Ram is rolling out the Ramcharger next year and I think Ford follows suit with the next Lightning based on the next-gen F150.
Hi Alex.
Huge surprise to me.
I can see your video translated into spanish.😊 Thanks.
I think the EV is an option to city and not work and never to hard work or tow. It's not its time yet.
Definitive the option to work, recreational service and heavy duty is at gas and diesel engines.
Depreciation and reach in miles on route give terror! 😮
Great job and excellent video as always. Really I appreciate it's.
BIG HUGE and take care so much; i can see the wheather is very cold!!
Thank you! 🤠
What "work" are we talking about? Aside from towing long distances, the lightning surpasses the ICE variants in every way. If you work with your truck earning money and drive < 240 miles a day, the lightning is a no-brainer. You will save a lot of money on fuel and maintenance.
FWIW I was able to make a Portland/Eugene roundtrip in 35-45°F on one full charge (~250mi total). I think electrics are especially sensitive to driving style, and generally slower is better (especially on the highway). Who knows, perhaps these will help reverse the stereotype about overly aggressive pickup drivers.
Great review. I own a 23 Lightning and absolutely love it. A lot of what you said is valid and a lot of it is incorrect or skewed. 1) depreciation. You are basing your values off of MSRP. Yes a lot of manufactures stick to MSRP especially during the COVID years and chip shortages but Ford normally discounts them heavily. Although my Platinum has almost a 117K Canadian MSRP, I bought mine brand new for $82k Canadian. If you bought any vehicle, ICE or EV during peak pricing covid years, you are going to see high depreciation. You happened to pick the years when pricing was crazy for all vehicles 2) EV's are not like ICE vehicles where you drive until your tank hits empty and you fill up again. You fill up at home every night and start full again in the morning. Yes Ford recommends 90% if you are not expecting to use the extra range the next day, If you need 100% because you are going on a long trip, then charge to 100%. You get to decide. If you do a lot of long distance driving, an EV truck is not for you but I thing there is a huge market for people like me that don't even crack 100km in a day. 3) Charging from public infrastructure should be reserved for long distance trips only. The savings are extreme when you charge at home. I pay $.06/kw. Multiply that by 131kw battery and it's under $8 to get 500km. 4). Changing the Battery. If you take care of your battery, it will last 500 000km or longer. It's equally expensive to replace an engine or transmission which usually die a lot quicker than that. Do some have defects and die early....Sure, that's what the 8 year warranty is for. Do some engines have defects and die early.... They sure do but how long are those warranties. You basically said it at the front of your video. A lot less that can go wrong on these.
Fair enough, In guess for me personally (and I maybe should of clarified this in the video) having a truck not able to go longer distances is just not practical for what I'd be looking for if that makes sense. But you make valid points, ultimately like most trucks it simply comes down to what your intended use is and I guess for me a gas truck is more practical at this point in time.
@@GettysGarage Exactly. Thanks for having an open mind. It's no different then if you haul plywood every day and review a car. Obviously a car would suck, but does that mean cars suck? EV Trucks are not for everyone but if it fits your use case, they are undeniably a way better choice. I own a business and like I said, stay in town most of the time. I store and charge my tools in a secure frunk, never waste time at gas stations because I always charge at home for 1/10 the cost, It tows and hauls better than any ICE half ton out there (just not for long distances), The acceleration and low centre of gravity make it a blast to drive, Due to the 50/50 weight distribution, its the best truck I've ever owned in the snow, I power entire job sites silently with the plugs in in the back and I can save my house from freezing over in the event of a catastrophic power failure. On the negative side, I do like to travel once a year on a holiday so I do have to make a few extra pee breaks. So for me, it came down to, do all the pro's I get for 51 weeks of the year worth a few inconvenient stops one week of the year. The answer was hell yeah. For others it may not be. There is no wrong answer. My main point is to everyone who hates EV trucks, just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not the best choice for someone else.
I call BS on your assertion that a battery is the same cost as an engine or trans. Multiple manufacturers of MUCH smallers cars charge as high as 60k for a battery. Have you priced one for your truck? $50k plus installation. And I am willing to bet insurance is also higher vs a similar truck with a gas engine.
@@Mountain-Man-3000 50k may be right for an all out battery swap. I haven't priced an engine replacement but I assume it wouldn't be cheap either. My point of relating a failed battery to a failed engine is that it's not the norm to replace a battery or an engine. A low percentage of both of them do fail though. Nobody goes into buying an ICE truck thinking....well I'm going to have to replace the engine in 6 years when the warranty is up so I better add that to the cost. As I said, there are many reports of batteries lasting 500 000km and longer. The warranty is 8 Years 160 000km. That doesn't mean you need to replace the battery just like you don't need to replace your your engine after its warranty is up.
For insurance, I pay a little over $1800 CAN/year for my 23 Platinum Lightning. I have other ICE trucks that cost slightly less but they are much older. I have no idea how that compares to a 2023 ICE F150 Platinum. If anyone in Canada has one and is willing to share, it would be nice to compare.
@@Mountain-Man-3000respectfully, he’s right about the parity between engine work and batteries especially over a 5-10 year time horizon. Engine replacement or rebuilding is labor intensive so will continue to increase in cost over time. Battery replacement is supply intensive without much labor, and lithium prices are dropping those supply costs each year.
In 2029, a replacement battery will be easily cheaper than an engine rebuild
The company that does the maintenance on Edmonton’s ring road has a few lightning trucks, curious how they’d work in -30C temps this winter. These electric trucks would only work well on a construction or concrete crew, keeping it in the city and spending most of its time running the power tools.
I recently did a trip @-12F across Wisconsin and it did fine. Range went down from summer but I also wasn’t shy with the heat either. At 70-75 mph average the windchill would have been off the charts. But I was toasty and a short 20 minute DC charge got my my whole distance and I had to pee so I picked a place to take care of that and get a coffee too. Total trip was 250 miles and with the quick charge left me with 45-50 miles left when I got there.
Battery pack is repairable, Ford put individual modules that are replaceable in the battery pack. I get about 250 miles on a trip in warmer weather, 220 miles in cold with my 300 mile battery pack. Town driving only it’s about 300 miles.
Always enjoy your discussions, especially on Ford! I am happy with my F150 and would not buy a Lighting, but it was interesting to learn more about it. And holy kamoly … $36k for a new battery. 😱
It aint cheap but it does seem like the batteries thus far have been performing very well so time will tell how they hold up in the next 4-6 years.
I don't need to tow anything heavy any distance more than a couple of km's so that doesn't concern me. I'll be pluggin our Off Grid cabin into our ER Lariat and if I get too low, I'll drive into town 15 minutes away and charge up for an hour. Agreed, the depreciation is probably the one knock on EV's that is not debatable . The closer it gets to the warranty running out on the battery, the more people who will be scared away, in an already small demographic. I'm hoping to keep the truck for a long time, and crossing my fingers that the new batteries in 10 years will be cheaper and have more range, as battery trends are definitely moving this way.
Great video overall, but a little bit of EV ignorance here. 1. The expected range shown on the screen is calculated based on how you've been driving recently. If you've been checking the truck out and flooring it everywhere, this number will be lower. Additionally, unfortunately, it's just not super accurate. Better to get used to watching the battery percentage. 2. The 90% charge limit is only for daily use. You can charge to 100% for trips. For cold, just plug the truck in at night and have it be warm already when you're ready to go. If you use the truck's built in navigation to go to a DC fast charger, it will heat the battery on the way for fast charging. The 2024s got a heat pump, which helps with winter range. I haven't noticed much difference in range down to about -8° C. That's about as cold as it gets here.
Last, the depreciation, I think, is down to market conditions. We're coming off once one of the craziest car markets in history. Plus the MSRP of the Lariat is 79k now. Recalculate based on that MSRP and it's much better. Anyone that buys at the top of an inflated car market will get screwed. Just look at G Wagon owners.
As a Ford tech, i think the lightnings are only good if you dont really tow/haul anything, but want a truck for the rare times you do. With that being said, if i were to buy one, I'd definitely wait 2-3 yrs for them to depreciate even more like the MachEs. As for repairs, I have not had to replace any motors. But i have had to replace a one or two battery modules, and a whole bunch high voltage charging modules and high voltage harnesses, which are very pricey. And unlike a ICE engine/vehicle, ford has does not recommend repairing High Voltage Harnesses (which im sure theyll find a way in the future.)
Going to be a real range drop with those cold Canadian winters.
You made my day! 6deg not that cold...
They wont let you tow because towing reduces the range by 80%. It basically becomes useless. JerryRIgEverything made a video towing 10,000 lbs and it got about 80-100 miles of range
I figured based upon my range empty it would something like that when towing.
lol ford told him to NOT TOW. Wake up people, this is a novelty vehicle, not a work truck.
They were kind enough to lend me the truck, but was a little disappointed when they said that.
@ they are absolutely kind to let you review the truck, and your reviews are always stellar!
Ford just need to be honest about range and actual abilities of these lightenings.
Keep on keeping on, Brother!
I would say the cyber truck is more of a novelty with the absurd price and inability to do most truck things
I tow 150 miles with my 9k pound travel trailer
I've got a 23 lightning. If you tow less than 100 miles, and I think that would cover most people, it's a beast at towing. If you are going to be towing long distance, or a ton these are not for you. The Silverado EV would be a better bet. If you are like me, and haul air 98% of the time, and only need to haul or tow something every so often these can't be beat on fuel economy charging at home.
I'm waiting for the wet drive belt version.
coming soon.. 😉
It's got a "frunk" what more do you need to know?
great for the groceries!
The extra storage should not be underestimated...
It has an e-locking rear differential. Also a parking pawl, missing on a lot of EVs. And a steel frame. All he other EV trucks are some version of unibody.
Practical is a funny word to use. Practical as as all around truck, I say no. Practical as a around town beater? Yep. This 60k truck (one the cheap end) is as good as a 1988 s10 running on 3 cylinders.
Fair enough, I guess for me personally not being able to take the truck on longer trips just doesn’t make sense.
@TheGettyAdventures , we road trip our lighting a couple times a month on 6 to 7 hour trips. It's honestly not much worse than the Crown Vic we came from, same distance on a tank, and by the time you take a piss and get something to eat it is charged and ready to go.
If you keep charging on dc fast charging your range will be capped, you'll never see the guessometer work well.. Charge on ac at home and learn 1 pedal drive watch your full range nature before you eyes. Some cities when I do uberx I can pull 400 miles on 1 charge. Excluding highway travelling.
Keep in mind that that Tesla sales figure combines the Model X, S, and CT in that sales figure. In reality they’ve sold significantly less Cyber Trucks than most think.
Sales are up on lightnings because they have MASSIVE discounts
They asked him not to tow??? 🤣🤣🤣
What? A pickup truck that can't tow🤣😂
I wonder why???? Battery drainage
Hahaha. He said "it is 6° outside, so it realy isn't that cold." hahahaha
We were happy to have low 90's° on Thanksgiving & 80's°F for this upcoming 2024 X-mas day. (here in deep South Texas)
Alex... great video, but you failed to tell us the 2nd most important thing about that Lightning. #1 was the range you covered.. #2 how long does it take to recharge the battery when out on that 900 mile road trip to your family's for Thanksgiving? How many hours does it take to recharge the depleted battery to the 90% level?
0-80 is probably 45-50 mins but that's a false problem. Most EVs you spend 10-15 mins at the faster charging rates. You charge enough to get to the next super charger or about 2.5-3 hours of driving.
I have a tesla model Y for fun, the range is pretty much a joke in my area due to lack of chargers. I have my f350 with a 60 gallon tank installed so I can go 1600km plus on a tank. I will never replace my truck until I can go 1000km on a charge. Even the chevy EV is only about 700km range but it's not a 1 ton.
Honestly it’s well thought of it’s just 10 yards short. These trucks should be getting at least 500 miles no matter what time of year. We’re 124 years behind the curve and we are trying to get it back within a decade. They need to develop an energy storage system that is not toxic to the environment. Honestly that will probably happen in the next millennium. My advice is use it like a Fleetwood Brougham d’Elegance and just drive it around town and rent a ICE for long range travel. Great Videos Thank You 🙏
If I had the funds for something like this I'd keep my current truck for long distance use and this would be for short drives. Electric is always best used in spurts like a cordless drill. Small trip here, small trip there, stuck in stop-n-go traffic and back home. Gas truck for interstate travel to the next state over.
Absolutely Correct, my Lariat for long distance and the Lightning for around town.
@@bigmountain7561 Too bad new vehicles are so expensive now. This is exactly what I'd do with an EV.
The thing I hate about the lightning is that it has independent rear suspension, and since my F150 EcoBoost has Onspot automatic tire chains on it that would be kind of a dealbreaker for me since Onspot does not fit independent rear suspensions, unfortunately
Like every other vehicle it's all about how you're going to use it. If I didn't tow a travel trailer I'd definitely look at one. When I get rid of the trailer I may get one.
100% correct, I guess for me personally that low range just isn't practical for me. but if you don't need a truck to leave town with then this could be a very real option!
New Lightinings in my area seem to be going for 10-15k off MSRP so I dont know that 30% depreciation is realistic. An 80k Lariat is being advertised at 65k.
Used 2023/2024's with 20k miles seem to be in the 55-60k range. So the depreciation seems to be ~15% on average.
@@Jay-me7gw that’s not depreciation, that’s MSRP being too high and not being a good enough haggler to never pay retail. If you buy new at the price you see advertised for used rigs then depreciation won’t be so bad if you need to sell .
I bought my ext range Pro for almost 12k off sticker. Based on used market prices I am confident I could get a price within 8-9% after putting almost 9k on it. Probably better as it’s a very rare trim combination for retail.
Do you think you will ever perform your 8000Lb towing test with the 2.7L Ford Ranger?
Good share! Stickin with a combustion engine💯
Me too. I love the smell of carbon monoxide and smoldering cash.
10:53 was an incoherent sentence. EV depreciation 30%, which is "8 10 times higher than the average gasoline vehicle." That is impossible EV depreciation is 10 times higher, that would make a normal depreciation car 3% a year which is definitely not the case. maybe 10 percentage points higher?
Awesome video
Another misunderstood point is the battery life. Lightning comes standard with 160k km warranty, which can be extended to 200k. On top of that, it's modular, unlike Tesla & Hyundai products. The Flash you drove has 16 modules, so if a particular one degrades or faults, it will cost a fraction of what the FUD chuckers are claiming. Lastly, in the newest real-word studies, ev batteries are outlasting even the most robust estimates, coming in 30~50% higher in their lifespan expectation than even the OEMs estimated. That's approaching 400,000km on average, twice that of an ICE.
Grewat video, but a lot less to worry about than what's out there (also, Donut Media put out a video on the top ten least depreciating evs on the market, and the F150 Lightning came in as the least depreciating ev in the US...
Just sayin'
FORD asked NOT to TOW speaks volumes.
Lack of range absolutely kills it.
Probably borrowed it from a dealership.
I'll probably buy a Lightning in a few years when my 5.0 gets old...put a slow charger in my garage, and never tow
Time to add a Powerboost F150 to your testing!
It’s on the to do list :)
Essa tradução pro português combinou com a proposta 🏳️🌈 😂😂😂
You should review the power boost next
Its on the list!
Our company has two lightnings and several other EVs. They have all proven to be very inexpensive to drive and have much more power than the gas versions of the same vehicles.
Range does sometimes require some thought, but it has yet to cause any serious concerns.
For the vast majority of drivers, an EV should be a no brainer. However, everyone should consider what their actual needs are for a vehicle. So far local towing has not been a problem for us.
On another note. When looking at depredations, it,s important to remember that high end vehicles will depreciate more quickly. The more expensive trims will have a greater loss. Much like buying a BMW.
I think these are cool rigs, but I have a 900km drive to get to the nearest sizable city from where I live.
I have to cross a mountain range no matter what direction I go, and it gets down to -40°C here in the winter (not windchill, actual temperature). My current truck gets 1,000km/tank, until an EV can touch that, I will be staying far away.
Anyway you can do a review of the new 2025 Toyota 4Runner when it comes out?
Over the last while in looking at trucks in stock at the largest Ford dealer here in north western Alberta, the same F150 lightning is sitting on their lot for sale ... I mean its the ONLY lightning on their lot and its a 2023 model which by the km of 2700 is a demo which makes sense. So while the claim is the sales are up compared to last year, a salesman would have died from starvation long ago if they were only relying solely on EV sales. Right at first there were some sales, I know someone who bought one early on and only got it as a play toy as money is no object in his situation. I expect it would be quite the interesting test to have one sitting in the cold of -40 after being charged so the battery gets cold soaked to be fair as so many vehicles sit outside. Then drive it until it dies, see how far it can go and followed by a tow truck to haul it back.
I live in Northern Alberta and have a lightning. As I am sure you know, Alberta is Oil country and there is enormous push back on EV's. The mentality is, if we don't buy them, EV's will go away... lol... okay sure. So yes, lightning sales have been slow in Alberta which means they are selling even faster in other areas or are you implying Ford's posted sales are a lie. The lightning performs better than my Ice truck in -40c. Starts up instantly and the cabin gets heated up in no time. Best winter vehicle I've ever had. The weight of the battery that is evenly distributed to both front and back give it excellent handling on snow and ice. Yes in EXTREME cold (which happens a few weeks of the year) the range gets cut in half (so about 250km) but I never travel past 100km in a day so it works great for me. Just plug it in at the end of the day in my warm garage and Its full in the morning and it only cost me a few bucks. No more standing at a gas station in -40C filling up my tank once a week. I get that a lot of people travel long distances every day and you would be right, it's not for you then. But for those of us that don't, it's an amazing truck.
@@darpompie4354 Oh yes I pretty much assume a certain percentage of people up in this part of Alberta have a negative outlook towards the EV simply because it may be perceived as a threat to their livelihood perhaps. But also in logical terms Alberta is already struggling with a lack of electricity capacity during peak times and that typically is when its cold. Adding many high draw EV's to an already taxed electrical grid could literally be life threatening as after all a house furnace can't run if there is no electricity due to a major outage or literally shut down of power. Put another way our infrastructure just isn't set up for a volume of people switching from an ICE vehicle over to an EV and there is no easy cheap or fast way to change our electrical grid across the province, city systems were never designed for that much draw. They can't keep up with dated sewer/water systems failing, never mind the electrical grid. As to the Lightning sales, its not that I am claiming they are misleading their sales figures, I just hear from different sources that the actual number of sales are so small that it does not take very many sales in a year to be a bump in sales year over year and that many of them are being stored on Fords lots having never been shipped to dealers because some dealers are having a hard time selling them. As to your own experience and use of the Lightning, your scenario is working because you are not depending on going a long distance in a short period of time and your storing it in a heated garage. I expect if you were to have it charged and then it sit outside for at least 48 hours if not longer to give it a good cold soak, that would be interesting to see how it responded with range as I am fairly sure your heated garage is enhancing your EV experience. As to ICE vehicles, you and me both know they are certainly not perfect at all, some aspects that an EV does not have to worry about, the maintenance required for the driveline as well as the costs inured, and how they have choked up the diesel engine with failure prone and very expensive parts for the emissions system. However when it comes to being mobile with ones own means for remote and long distance prompt travel, be that packing extra fuel etc and not having to rely on a charging station grid just isn't an option. I'll throw out a couple of examples of a typical driving scenario. I have to travel around 200 km just to go to town to do business and back home and spend all day in town from place to place and during the winter that means heat in the cab on and off for hours through the day. If I need to tow a trailer to town to haul items that do not fit in the back of the pickup, again there is that extra fuel required to now pull a trailer with weight and wind resistance. So lets say one decided to head down to Two Lakes and the Kakwa Falls trail ( if your familiar with that area ), be it summer or winter. If any sort of trailer is towed down there it is going to take a full tank just to make the trip out and back to GP and better pack extra fuel. These are are fairly basic typical examples of drives that are not even all that far, nothing compared to how far and remote one can go in this part of the province. If I had an EV pickup, I wouldn't be able to do any of them during the winter and so only in the summer driving empty to GP could I make use of one. So for my situation I can't begin to justify such a purchase for the limited amount of use I would be able to get out of it. The fact that in your situation for your use it does easily make sense and is saving you money in fuel and repair costs, it totally makes sense why you decided to give the EV a shot. I know, its a long post now that I look back at it but takes more than five words to lay out the picture.
@@charlesb4267 I completely understand your view point and the way you use your truck, there is no way I would recommend an EV. My point is that some people solely view things from how they use it and then make broad statements. (Ie. an EV doesn't work for me so they are complete garbage). I'm Just saying that there are uses they excel at. When it comes to unstable power grids, EV's will be part of the solution. The problem with all the renewable energy (Solar and Wind) coming aboard is that they are unstable in themselves. Solar only makes power during the day and wind only generates major power when it's windy. Systems are in the works where they will use people's EV's to store the extra energy produced in the day and then take it back (they will pay you) when the grid needs extra juice. On a large scale, this will stabilize the grid. For myself, I already threw on a bunch of solar panels so I am basically self sufficient for my home and transportation. During the day, My solar panels send energy to my truck and or back to the grid where I get money back. At night, I pay enmax to get back the power I gave them and pay there stupid administration fees for the privilege. In the event of a power failure, I have 131KW battery that will power my furnace and fridges for weeks. It hasn't turned to -40C since I've owned the truck but I have left it out for an entire day (approx 10hrs) in -25C and it instantly started. Again... Not saying anyone should get one. I run a business and stay in the city so it works for me. I am sure there are a lot of people in similar circumstances where this truck will work fantastic and save them a ton of money on top of the other perks it provides. For others that go long distances all the time... stay away... Just letting people with strong opinions know from someone that owns and owned Gas F150's to F450 diesels, the lightning is not junk. It's extremely capable and one of the best trucks you can buy if it fits your use case.
@@darpompie4354 I agree with what your saying as per the type of expected use one has for a vehicle and aside from the lack of electricity capacity issues at peak times, an EV and city driving or within shorter distances from a central location is where at this point with battery technology they have a good fit. Interesting as to what you are able to do with solar panels as you must have something set up that sheds the snow and also angles to follow the suns path ?. What I typically have heard is that up this far north during the winter that solar was very limited and goes without saying that setups that get covered in snow are useless. I have relates who had a house in Cali and they rigged it up with a lot of solar to the point that they were negative in their power bill at the end of the year and thats with lots of air conditioning use, the sun remains a lot higher in the sky and they never get snow so it really worked well down there. However the power company did not pay them for the power they put into the grid at the end of a years time, but it was the back and forth day vs night power sent out or power consumed that was all calculated by their meter. I can only guess that there are aspects of your panels that are quite different from panels that would have been made lets say 20+ years ago in efficiency etc.
@@charlesb4267 Solar panels do keep getting better (more efficient) every year. It makes it hard to evaluate because if you heard a storey of an experience 5 years ago, it may not hold true today. My solar panels are not "special" in any way, other than they provide more wattage per panel than older ones. Alberta is actually a great place for solar, but you are completely right, in winter, when we get short days, there is not a lot of time for it to produce much. Snow does severely affect them too but light does still get through to them. Eventually because of the angle and heat they produce, the snow slides off. So yes, there are a lot of times in winter, when you are getting low input but to counter that, in summer, our days in Alberta are very long and very sunny. When I say I am self sufficient, I don't mean, I'm off grid. We have such a teeter totter of sun shift from summer to winter that you just can't do that here. I have a bidirectional meter so when I need power, I buy, when I make extra power, I sell. the rate per kw is both the same for in or out. So in winter, I definitely buy more than I produce, but in summer, my meter is going nuts in the opposite direction. What I mean by self sufficient is that if you average out the ins and the outs during a 12 month span, it pretty well evens out.
On the same lines. Another thing I want to point out about EV's and the grid is that, at least on my lightning, I have the ability to make schedules for when it charges. So even if I plug it in at home, it doesn't start charging unless it's during that schedule. I have it set up so it only charges in the day when I am producing with solar. Others can set it to only charge at night during low peak hours. Some places where grid power is even worse than ours, they have different rates for peak and non peak hours. So the idea to stabilize the grid is to have EV's charge at the low rate times and then sell back during expensive peak hours, thus incentivizing people to jump on.
I personally think the dumbest thing they have done with EVs is the lack of charge ports. One under the front and back license plate would be killer. Especially because I've had weird places I had to park the rental sideways to charge it.
At 40k km my battery state of health is 99.5 %. So it's still all there. Also the battery is a modular design, meant for fleet use. So if you end up with bad cells at high mileage you can replace 1 out of the 9 modules only. So far the 1500 dollars electricity the truck has consumed, with 36k km this year, would have been 8500 dollars with my Ram 1500 Hemi. So far so good! Will reassess at 160k km. One truck online had 97% state of health at 160k km. Just about the mileage the lifters flatten out on the 5.7. You pay to drive in one way shape or form or another.
How dare you speak logic
I have one because I need space and not huge towing numbers. I do a ton of local driving and charge at work.
Its cool its just not for towing in all honesty the ranger should have been the ev/erev/hybrid platform because until the charging speed and power capacity meets or exceeds gas/diesel it just can't hit full parity...yet
Time for a Diesel generator in the bed to charge as you drive! easy fueling and long range and great towing
I wish our (US) electricity costs were as cheap as they are in canada but from what my Canadian friend and I have seen, you guys are paying about 1/4 what we are in the states.
The US likely varies a lot. Here in the PNW I am paying .0879 per kwh (there is a minimum monthly service cost of $19).
Hi. I'm going to buy a truck for work. Sometimes I need to pull a trailer weighing 4 tons. I can't decide which truck. I've looked at a lot of yours, apparently - and I realized that I shouldn't get involved with a diesel. What should I choose? Chevrolet? Or Dodge... I don't know. I think I'll go with a gasoline engine. Although there are various problems there too... The task is to tow a trailer of about 3 tons every day. What would you advise? 😢
Look at a 2500 gasser if you are towing daily, a Diesel will give you the best performance but I would say something like a F250 7.3L godzilla with 4.30 gears will be pretty darn powerful and you won't need to be worried about emissions.
How many miles a day? A Lightning with max trailer towing and big battery will tow a four ton trailer like a beast. Just not across a state or province without lots of stops. Seriously, I had a 2500 Ram Cummins and my current Lightning is a much better towing rig in all way but side mirrors and absolute range.
Cool girl at the halfway mark
She keeps me in check
@@GettysGarage She said "No!", but she really says "Yes!"
I had a GF that despised mororcycles....until I took her for a ride (at that time) on my Shadow Sabre 1100.
She was giggling the whole way 🙂
You say 210 miles worth of charge is limiting, but you can charge it above 90% when charging at home.
Slow charge it at home and put a generator in the trunk and drive around with it (and tow some) this winter and see how much fuel you end up using from the generator.
lol driving with a Gen set in the front would be an awesome sight.
@TheGettyAdventures I just feel like someone who did that would probably end up burning less than 5 gallons of fuel over the course of a summer, and probably 10-20 gallons over the course of a winter
Real life: probably a very good 2nd vehicle. Back & forth to work, errands.
Also, that you are wealthy enough to assume a likely trade in value of $0 down the road.
If that is the case - good to go….
They knew that 8000 lb cargo trailer you use in your tests would absolutely devastate the range on this thing.
You can charge to 100% if you're going to take a trip or use it right away. Batteries dont like to be stored at 100%.
if there's ever an EV that isn't priced stupid and has a decent resale value, I might buy one for a daily and keep an IC for the weekend. Tesla is almost there as they have a decent resale but still not close enough.
This channel has got become so much better than TFL!
TFL does a great job in my opinion. I can only image the pressures they are under from manufacturers while trying to keep it real for the viewers. But I appreciate the love!
Yes, the batteries get weaker over time, but doesn't a gas or diesel engine lose power over the same length of time? I am just about to take the plunge into an electric truck, and my though was for the 1 or 2 trips a year that are longer range, what I save in gas the rest of the year would pay for a rental.
New engine in my 2007 Yukon at 150000 miles. New transfer case shortly after. And the worlds largest black oil spot on my relatively new garage floor too.
So far 8000 miles in the lightning, nothing… not even washer fluid. And my fueling costs 25% of what driving my now completely retired Yukon and Dodge Cummins used in gas/diesel.
@@michaelwitkiewicz7052 just found out that I can charge at home for 3 cents a kwh. So, 100kw would cost 3 bucks? 3 bucks for around 200 miles is... crazy cheap.
@@briankeithwood welcome to EVs! The downside is pay that for awhile then go get your first public charge at twenty times that rate…. Don’t get me wrong, you’ll still love your truck, but you’ll make efforts to avoid public charging even if it’s still relatively inexpensive.
@@michaelwitkiewicz7052 until I get the home charger installed, I am stuck with public charging... so right now it cost much more than my old car to drive per mile.
@ the first 2-3 months I had my Lightning, I used my mobile EVSE (charger) and 120v outlet. It’s slow as hell but with a good 12ga cord and a good receptacle I was able to do most of my local driving on that alone. Another tip if it will be awhile and you have a solid 20amp 120v circuit available, you can convert the 20amp circuit, if it using to code conductors, to a 6-20r 240v circuit with receptacle and 240v 20amp double pull breaker. That will give you about 3.6 kWH. Plug in as soon as you get home thats 25to33% depending on you battery. Or another way, at 2 miles per kWh, thats more then 70 miles of range
They, much like all first model modern EVs, were a bit premature for the market with kinks to work out. Where these would shine is if they had solid state batteries IMO. I'd imagine that there'd be a drastic drop in weight if it had that type of battery with the same capacity. That would definitely help with the range, and from what I understand they can change at a faster rate which helps with convince, granted the surge of power they would draw could be handled by the infrastructure. Given the direction we are headed politically and in general as far as automotives go, I don't think we'll see them develop much further any time soon unfortunately, which is kinda sad since I do think these and EVs have a legit place in the automotive market, albeit nowhere near the "carbon buster" some folks have touted them as.
Range is only a problem for a small minority of truck buyers. If you drive less than 200 miles per day and are able to charge it where it parks overnight then the convenience and maintenance/time savings are un beatable.
the fact that they asked you not to tow with it shows you that they know it sucks at towing.
Ya it was a bit odd but it's their truck!
I have no idea why Ford told him not to tow with it because there are countless of reviews for 3 years now where everyone and their dog tows with it. Instead of speculating, let me tell you how it tows. With its 775lbft of torque and evenly distributed heavy weight, it tows better than any ICE half ton you can get and rivals heavy duty diesels. The only caveat is that it eats up half the range if you are towing boxy heavy weight. If you own a business such as myself that tows heavy loads but stays in town, the towing is unmatched by any ICE half ton. If you tow long distances every once in a while and can live with some charge breaks, it may or may not be worth the other advantages you get. If you tow long distances all the time, then don't get any EV truck. There you have it... Conspiracy theories averted.
It tows great, just not long range
I have the Ford lightning Pro I call it my 7500 pound golf cart😊
When the manufacturer builds a truck and tells you "Don't tow with it". There should be red flags all over the place NOT to buy it.
So why aren't EV charging stations built exactly like a gas station drive-thru (with cover and all)?
I'd rather keep my diesel. Not interested in EV's what so ever... Not practical for what I do. Cant believe they told you not tow with it. makes no sense. Also cybertruck sales are just for a fashion statement, bragging rights, that's it. I have to give ford some credit because it doesn't look different than a normal f150.
When they can get 1000 mile range out of a EV I'll buy it
No healthy human drives that far without stopping...
The issue with this truck is that it's priced the same as the Silverado EV.
If it was still 39,999 which Ford priced because of the limitations of this truck in the marketplace... Slam dunk.
5.7 hemi? 😊
No tow video with your trailer? FeelsSadMan!
For perspective…
More Ford sold 22k F150LTG in 2024
Toyota only sold 21k Sequoias in 2024
If they didn’t cost 65K I’m sure the prices would be better, I’m happy with my 24 STX 2.7 tho.
If you are supposed to charge to 90% shouldn’t they advertise the range number at the 90% charge? And why not calibrate everything so that the battery reads 100% when charged to 90%. And leave that 10% buffer behind the scenes.