I'm all for going green, I even bike to work, but I have a very hard time not feeling like the future of cars is moving to unrepairable and planned obsolescence. Great for companies, not any better for consumers or the environment.
My impression is that the future is moving to longer-lasting vehicles that don't need as many repairs, but what repairs are needed will mostly be swapping out modules because it will simply be easier and cheaper to replace an old module with a new one than to repair the old one. But I also expect that with autonomy we will begin to see transportation as a service displacing much private ownership of vehicles, especially in urban areas, so the companies operating those services will want vehicles that are durable and easy to repair so that if something breaks the vehicle can be quickly repaired and put back in service rather than sitting around in the garage. That said, I expect most people in rural areas and many in small towns will still own their own vehicles. In urban areas where a wait time for an autonomous taxi will be very short and parking costs can be very high transportation as a service will be a huge cost saver - but in rural areas and in small towns not so much.
@@alanlight7740 Autonomous vehicles are a pipe-dream in the real world; a sci-fi fantasy that will never overcome legal hurdles even if technically feasible in a controlled environment.
As a retired FORD mechanic I laughed my ass off when Hoovie said I'm a 5.4 watch me drop a cam phaser..I used to love those cuz I could easily beat the flat rate on 'em.
Crazy that Ford didnt follow Tesla with a heat pump and a single system to handle all. Sandy Munro's Mach E teardown showed how many crazy cooling hoses and pumps Ford is using. This is definitely 1st Gen EV and I am sure it will reduce in parts later.
People online like to knock Tesla for quality, some of it is rightfully deserved, but you can't knock their engineering to make their cars as easy to produce (and repair) as possible. I know somebody with a 5 year old Model 3 who has yet to take it in for any sort of service.
It is far more complicated than the Tesla system but it has the advantage of a backup heat source. It can use the inverter and motor heat to supplement heat or be the primary heat source of the PTC heater fails. Tesla doesn't have that capability. But I do expect Ford to eventually move to a heat pump solely for the efficiency gains.
If you look around at many late model ICE vehicles you'll find coolant hose counts not far off this Lightning. Water-air intercooler, fuel cooler, and trans cooler on cold red with electric pump. Engine and turbo on the hot radiator and engine driven pump but may have an electric one too. The transfer case can also be plumbed to the cooling system for it to be cooled. The EV coolant Temps are 150-ish and less.
Proud owner of a 2023 Lariat LR. Think of all the things you don't have to replace over time with a Lightning. Exhaust system, transmissions, tune ups, lubricants, filters, plugs, starters, fuel systems, etc, etc! Oh and because of regenerative braking the brake pads could easily last the life of the vehicle. Few owners mention but the amazing full matrix headlights are incredible.
You can buy a lot of gas, and pay for a lot of maintenance with the $25k extra you pay for the lightening up front. Electric vehicles have their place, but sick of fan boys not accepting reality.
@@notpoliticallycorrect4774 Can you buy 20 years of gas and maintenance? Not likely, meanwhile my solar panels will still be producing free electricity to drive around with and a single gallon will likely be over 5 bucks. 2025 lariat f150 lightning is 76k the gas powered version is 70k - the lightning comes w/ a 7500 tax credit - so they are the same price idk what you are talking about
I live in a rural community and these trucks are FAR off of what we need for agricultural use. After watching your video of the towing range, I'll be sticking with combustion engines for the foreseeable future.
Yeah an electric truck made for agricultural use wouldn't have a 20 inch touchscreen either. I get what you're saying but Ford isn't exactly looking for your business with the Lightning. This is for suburbanites who don't do truck stuff and would be better served with a Honda Accord and renting a uhaul the 2 times a year they buy mulch or a new dryer but their ego won't let them buy a car.
No amount of effort will get you a practical EV farm truck. Battery tech simply isn't there yet - hopefully something actually nice shows up soon enough
EVs are expensive golf carts. I might consider getting one for local driving only. Hybrids are by far the most efficient as they recharge themselves and allow for long range trips with quick refueling and not needing a road map to find charging stations that take 45 minutes to charge for another 100 miles of range.
Door number pad is awesome and I’ll never be convinced otherwise. You can throw all your stuff in the car including keys and lock it so you don’t lose anything, for instance, going on a float trip? Leave wallet, phone, keys in car, lock it, have fun drinking on tipping over canoes, swimming, floating etc, without worry that you’ll need to replace a $800 phone, $200 key/fob, credit cards, ID, etc or anything. It will always be one of my favorite feature on a car.
it amazes me that ford is pretty much the only company who ever did it. I believe Nissan tried it back in the mid 80's? but it was super rare. I don't really lock my truck, but I love the keypad.
When I bought my latest Ford truck a few years back, at the dealership when I was signing the huge stack of papers etc. The guy of course started in on the sales pitch for all the various extended warranties, when he tried the extended warranty for the electrical system. He said your standard warranty doesn't cover the electrical system and he said "Your new truck has 15 km of wiring in it... you should get this warranty" I couldn't imagine how much more wiring this truck has. I declined all the extra warranties, I was very specific about it... yet somehow in the stack of papers he managed to slip in a tire warranty, I was so mad about that. Surprise, surprise that tire warranty was next to useless, you needed to get pre-authorization to get a flat repair, at only approved shops... who the heck has time to deal with all that when you get a flat?
This truck is going to be exactly like the mustang Mach E nothing but a big expensive piece of crap over expensive and what is it going to be good good for I saw a test on one of these loaded with a trailer it went 50 miles versus a diesel truck which went 250 miles they tested this lightning on the tfl TH-cam so whoever bought this truck I would send it back get your money back and buy a real truck with a real engine like a diesel .
A friend of mine owns a 4 bay Garage he has operated since he was a Teenager! He once told me that "if it wasn't for FORD's, he would starve to death!" That's when I noticed all 4 bays had a ford in it and we live in a GM town with a huge GM factory just 1 mile away! I had warranty problems with a new 98 Ranger I bought. Piss poor service and had to argue with them to get the problems fixed. I didn't buy another one. Only 1 new Ford experience for me was enough!
Believe it or not, there's likely less wiring (for the drivetrain) in this. Think of how many wires a standard engine has, four wires for every 02 sensor, IAC, oil pressure, individual injectors, coil on plug harnesses, crank and cam positioning sensors. On this a lot of it is packed up front where it's safe, the rest of the truck should be identical to a gas truck, with ABS sensors and all that being similar. A very basic EV can have so much less wiring, but companies are cramming them full of other comfort electronics since there's expensive anyway.
And in a few more years, nobody is going to hassle me about add-ons when I get a used one. My C-Max Energi will last long enough for me to pick up a Mustang off lease in a few years, and then no more gasoline in a car EVER. (I'll keep an ICE bike a bit longer, nobody's built one I really want yet.) The plug-in hybrid is great, and the last few months I've loved laughing at the suckers paying today's gas prices, but it's almost time to never care what gas costs again.
@@jonc4403 Well, I agree in principle, except we need to triple our current production of electricity, within 15 years... and I don't see triple the power plants, being built... or electrical transmission lines, and as usual it all comes down to supply and demand.
"I think that's something waiting to break..." said EVERY car owner in the last 10 years... There's an episode of "King of the Hill" where Hank is invited to a focus group on a new truck, and he says it's one step away from being a powder room. He was spot on.
@@Blowinshiddup I think it's even funnier and exemplary of how far we have pushed every product into the absurd. I've been on a KOTH kick lately. Just watched the ep last week. Every child in school should be forced to watch the entirety of KOTH for basic civics. It would be leagues better than the modern curriculum
I love the number pad thing it's a life saver. If I go hiking just lock everything up and when I come back, just punch in the code. Sometimes I give the code to my friends so they wait for me inside the truck instead of standing outside waiting for me, so convenient.
Definitely a life saver, I have it on my F-150 HD. Sometimes for a quick return to grab something I forgot, instead of leaving the engine running with unlock doors (car thieves can jump in), I just lock it up and punch in the code when I return.
Me too - I would never have imagined how convenient it is to be able to get in and out of the truck without the key. They did try to kill off the number pad once, but there was an uproar from customers and they brought it back. I read someplace that Ford wants to kill it, but can’t figure out how.
My 05 5.4 is still hauling 1200 lbs of gravel after 284k like it only has 175k. I've had it 5 years and spent less than $1500 for all work other than oil changes.
@@joeweaver9913 I went to Batteries Plus to recycle AA and AAA and 9V batteries and had to pay them to take them. Will EV batteries be the same? You can bet there will be a “disposal” fee when they are replaced, assuming they can or will be.
Oh man you guys just reminded me of my 2004 5.4 cam phases rattling extremely loud. I remember someone asking me if I had a diesel engine one time. Ford wanted $2500 to repair my phasers and then look at timing chains (think had 2) that was another $1500 if bad. I sold it soon after. Like the channel gents!
In the mid- 1960’s my older brother bought a ‘46 Ford pickup. It had a flathead six and a four speed crashbox transmission. We did bodywork and paint. The wiring needed attention. I learned a lot from that truck (how to double clutch, for instance). My brother sold that truck when he married his first wife (of four). That truck functioned well. I miss that truck.
So Id be very curious to see what happens to all of the plugs/electrical connectors and all of the steel skid plates after a few years of Michigan winters. I cant image all of the road salt being very good for any of it. Ok just I just read an article that a guy has a fully loaded platnium edition of this truck with the extended range batteries in it. He hooked his boat up to it which weighs about 7400 pounds. He started out with fully charged batteries and managed to drive 58 MILES before his batteries were dead. Who wants one of these now?
you mean like the 2019 chevy trucks with the braided ground straps underneath that rot away in less than 3 years causing major electrical problems that dealers want to charge a fortune to fix (replacing electronics and sensors) instead of just putting a good ground cable on it?
Electrical comnections are usually water tight and if the manufactures would just gold plate the electrical connections they would not be susceptible to corrosion. It was an industry standard to gold plate the electrical connections on wires for air bags for many years IDK if it still is though.
I'm an EV tech working in Norway, the country with the most EVs per capita in the world, and salt isn't a problem at all. All the connectors are well isolated/insulated, and we never see any corrosion in the high voltage lines. It's much more of a problem on the low voltage lines, and an EV have just as many low voltage lines as any combustion car.
This is the second video I've watched of his. I will take exception to your statement and say this guy is a fuckin numbnuts that wakes up in a new world every day. Every GD comment he makes about this truck "huh that's different but the torque though". Ugh. Take the fanboi glasses off and rewatch.
3:41 Don’t knock the number pad. It’s actually a great feature. I had a Fusion with it and I used it all the time. Handy when you just need to grab something out of the car and you don’t want to fiddle with the keys.
@@BubbaSimmz I had all that. My car now you don’t even need a key fob. Just your phone. But it was nice to be able to get in the car without any of that.
@@griffin8062 they need to be heated as well, in cold weather your range drops and below freezing half the range will be gone due to heating the battery and yourself
I'm glad most EVs come with that system nowadays. I have a first-gen Leaf that doesn't have a battery cooling system, and it's lost a lot of range over the years. Part of that is just older battery tech, but a cooling system makes a world of difference. Batteries last a lot longer if they're kept within their preferred temperature range.
The keypad is the best thing ford ever did. I always have a spare key in my truck hidden so i wont strand myself if i do loose my key. The last two buttons pushed together lock the doors and i have mine programmed to unlock all doors always
I've always been a fan of them, especially when boating. You can squirrel the keys away somewhere safe in the car/truck and lock it and not worry about the "Plunk" noise they make when they go for a swim as you go from dock to bow/stern. Would have loved the Lincoln red led style hidden typically on a glossy section of the B pillar somewhere on my '14 Mustang (although there really isn't an elegant spot to put them on all the last of the S197, unless they could do it in the leading edge of quarter window. I'd imagine It'd just put the square box on the door like an afterthought.) Ford does offer a stick on, 3m tape numpad for nearly all their vehicles ... great for those that really need it, but outside a work truck it'd have to be something you really wanted.
Nah the Jaguar/Land Rover activity key beats that number pad hands down. Just swipe the bootlid with the bracelet and you’re in. Can keeps keys in the car which de-activate when the activity key is used. So you can go swim or whatever.
I ordered my 2022 traverse with a keypad. I’m a ford guy but had gm credit due to another car I had that they would buy me a car of similar msrp. Apparently gm has the keypad as an option but no one gets it lol
That's exactly what I was thinking with the tailgate, all that nonsense is cool at first, but how much is an electric tailgate cost to fix or replace in the event of a rear end collision? All that cool crap is going to need to be fixed someday.
Not even in a rear end collision. I'll be making the other bastard's insurance pay for that part. But the real question is what will it cost when it just breaks on its own and you just have to replace it out of your own pocket
Love the number pad. Very handy when you don’t have your key or remote and you want to get something out of the car. Also, you can lock your keys etc. (hidden)in the car when you are at the beach etc. Very useful, don’t know why they all don’t do it.
Only one thing wrong with that keypad, Forgetting you don't have it anymore because you bought a different vehicle and casually lock your keys inside the vehicle like you have for the last few years every time you go fishing. Ask me how I know.
@@skoronesa1 the fact got away with that is telling of Fords influence on goberment. Like I get a patent for the actual keypad, but a patent for the use of any keypads to open a vehicle door is nuts
As a young mechanic who only got into the industry a few years ago it has been crazy to watch how electric cars have gone from a niche little novelty to becoming the future of all vehicles. In my automotive schooling we barely went over hybrids let alone fully electric vehicles. It breaks my heart because I am not passionate at all about electric vehicles especially being someone that only buys and drives manual cars. To me the less driver assist the more enjoyable the driving experience is. I really wish I was born earlier because all of my favorite cars are from the 90s and are rare now and fetch ridiculous prices online these days and the fact that you can't ever buy cars like that again in the future isn't helping. I either need to get into a dealer so I can be prepped and ready for the electric car shift or get into a specialty Indy shop that will continue to work on ICE vehicles like we have now with classic car restoration shops. Or maybe just switch careers. I wonder how it's going to affect the industry with the whole flat rate pay scale since there will be less moving parts there will be less jobs to go around. For the first time in a long time we might see mechanic Jobs become a saturated market instead of in high demand. They'll become hard to get instead of mechanics being hard to find.
This is a really interesting take. I 100% agree with you on everything you said! What this also means though is if you specialize in ICE engines you will have all the business you could ever want. I personally think there’s a huge disconnect between what politicians think we need and what people will actually spend their hard-earned money on. Trust me, there will always be a market for car enthusiasts who will always pay any amount of money to have work done on their V8 engine. Look at sports cars….as turbocharged small engines and electric motors take over everything, you’ll see V8 and V10 engines become more and more valuable. Just like manuals are more and more valuable. Look at Ferraris. If you want a used Ferrari with a gated manual transmission, that car will cost you almost double what a paddle shift will cost you.
Maintenance is low but repairs are a problem. High voltage requires time to make the unit safe to work on. Expose the inside of that battery pack to oxygen and all hell ignites. Lithium is NOT the best element to use.
Just because the rich people running car companys and politicians say it's the future doesn't mean there right... or that is has to be..... gas cars will be relevant for as long as any of us will live. The majority of the population will never be able to afford an ev.. if you really are a car mechanic and car enthusiasts don't be such a spineless bitch. Fight for the type of cars you love!
Understand this: The EV is a dead end technology. The essential chemistry and technology has not, can not and will not change. You may deny reality but reality will not deny you.
What I find hilarious is how GM mocked Ford for having a "man step" in the tailgate, and then a few years later released its own heavily over-engineered version that's about 10x more complicated and more expensive that'll almost certainly break 6 months after the warranty expires.
@@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342 Meanwhile Ram split the tailgate sideways 60-40 so you can just walk up and use the step that holds the license plate. I've seen one and only one. I wish barn doors on SUVs hadn't died.
Loved Hoovies towing loop test and M-Trend tested the $93K “Platinum” with max upgrades and only made it 90 miles, towing an 7,200 lb travel trailer. EPA shows 300mi range empty with driver only and the test only returned 230 miles. Also Ford announced losses due to increased production costs that will add at least $5K to all models. Obviously they all have a long way to go with battery technology, etc. before ET’s are a viable replacement option for ICE’s.
This is actually fascinating. It’s so much more interesting to see the machinery behind these cars vs the the myth that these cars aren’t mechanical. That said, I can spot things that I like better about EV drivetrains and things I like better about ICE drive trains. All in all they’re all machines.
6.0 Powerstroke is universally panned on but everyone forgets that it was lightyears more reliable than the 6.4 after it. A 6.0 that isn't beat on truly isn't very bad, it's just when you start to actually use it that they blow up.
I am an old, disabled vet and just got a great deal on a 2023 Lariat, extended battery Lightning. I absolutely love this truck. I am not like Hoovie where I can flip a vehicle on a whim. This truck is much less complicated than a internal combustion vehicle with all it's complicated systems. No thanks, I am done with ICE cars.
How's it less complicated. The electronics on the vehicle would be very complicated all by itself. If there was a fault somewhere it'd cost a lot in labour to diagnose.
Watched videos on 5.4. key is to change oil regularly. With out sluge buildup should last a long time. Problem is buying a used Ford truck, don't know maintenance background.
Yeah 5.4 isn’t a bad motor. Take care of your shit. People do t change their oil and are lazy with vehicles and then when the thing grenades it’s all of a sudden a piece of shit vehicle.
@Michael Tinari That's what I've been saying for years. More than half the time, the vehicle would be fine for a long time if the owner just took care of it.
Thank you and thank you some more for taking it apart. No Other channel has given such a great in depth and detailed review. Hoovie and Wizard are the best.
Wizard may retire, but he will forever be in our hearts a mechanic. Also I love the keypad. it's great when you go out on a boat or jet ski. You throw the keys in the console so they don't end up at the bottom of the ocean.
Ford is the only company that still puts them on their vehicles and when I ordered my Maverick, I made sure I speced it out with the trim level that would include the pad on the door. I’ve always thought it was a great idea. Nissan used to do it in the 90’s, my daughters first car was a 93 Maxima that had the feature.
I can't believe how wide open it is around the front of the battery. Just imagine driving through a wet slushy snowstorm and then it turns to sub zero temperatures. This thing will be a block of ice down there. That's insane!!!
First I was surprised when they show lack of protection under the hood - wheel arcs literally open into the area formerly known as engine bay. Then I got shocked when I see all these high voltage connectors underneath.. Exposed to dirt and elements. This is indeed insane.
It can go thru deeper water than most regular fossil vehicles. Everything will be totally sealed off on wiring, sensors, battery , motors and all. You will not find that on a Fossil car.
lost my "key" to my Tesla at the beach... Called my daughter 3hrs and one state away , she unlocked my car. The 80s want their key pad back it was dated in the 90s.
5:20 separate jump point is safer, charging the battery can cause it to emit hydrogen gas, with the jump lead on the battery you can ignite that gas with the spark from connecting and disconecting.
@@misham6547 That is a very good point, but I remember trying that on an ICE car and there was nowhere that would make a good connection that I could clamp with the jump leads. Everything was either shielded or too deep.
Why do we still use grandpa's lead-acid batteries when a small four-cell lithium pack would be lighter & last at least 10 years longer with the right choice of lithium "chemistry"? Still far too many ICE experts designing EVs, & doing a poor job of it...
The Bolt EV is similar in how the AC works, doing double duty for cooling the cabin as well as all the mechanical/battery. There are 3 coolant loops in the Bolt. Battery, electronics, and cabin. Not sure yet if the F150 lightning has more loops.
5:22 I would imagine the jump port under the fender cover is so that you don't have to remove the contents of the frunk to access the battery terminal from inside if you have a lot of stuff in there.
Yup, I have a 2012 volt and it has the battery in the rear hatch under a panel that covers a liner. It's not a big deal to get to it, but GM luckily put jump points under the hood to make things easier when you need it.
I loved this deep dive into an electric vehicle. Also, I'm damn happy Magic Mike got out of working from Tesla and started working for the Car Wizard, he seems to be a very hard worker and I like seeing him featured!
Pretty sure this truck was rushed through the design process in order to "add momentum" to the push for EV's from major auto manufacters. In reality it isn't close to good technology, yet. The range is 2/3 of what you'd expect in less than optimum conditions and less if you are towing. My guess is that lightnings will be collecters items in the future, mainly for the uniqueness of the vehicle and not because it was ultimately a successful pickup truck design.
Just a thought after working on my 2021 Sienna hybrid, it also has dual AC systems. Because their electric and they're not driven off the motor, if you have a front and a rear system, you can run them independently for more efficient operating. As far as the jump port for the 12 volt system, the 12 volt system likely drives the main contactors for the battery, so if the 12 volt system dies the battery will not turn on and the truck won't work. After working on my sienna hybrid a lot of these systems can be completely re-engineered to be a lot more efficient and more compact when you eliminate the need for a belt drive system. Electric coolant pumps are a great example. You can put them anywhere in the system with an electronic thermostat, if you even meet one, and as long as you can get power to it it will work. Much the same though, is the suspension. Many of the Driveline components and suspension components are exactly the same that you would find elsewhere in other trucks and cars.
Efficient at what cost? highly complex systems are prone to failure which negates any gain in "efficiency". Take the coolant lines: every bend reduces efficiency so you'll need a larger pump to push the coolant through. It is far more efficient to make 1 larger pump that will last 20 years than a smaller pump that will need replacing every 5 years. Efficiency can be summed up using plastic grocery bags: OH get a re-useable bag, it's so much greener! NO it is NOT. It takes as much plastic to make ONE re-useable bag as it does to make about 100 regular. It is far "greener" to re-use the regular bags. Not to mention once you use it as a grocery bag, you then use it as a kitchen garbage bag. Now that stores are stopping their use, I have to go out and BUY plastic bags to use in the kitchen. Tell me that's more efficient: use a bag twice, or once?
@@muskokamike127 are they more complex? I doubt it. It's just tubes and routing. As far as the argument of a larger pump lasting longer, that is not always true. We have been running small electric AC compressors for many years, all your window AC units have small electric compressors. The technology is well known and understood, and is much more reliable than a belt driven variable speed compressor. This way you aren't varying the speed of the compressor, you are simply cycling it on and off as necessary.
I found it hilarious that from the 4th minute to the 9th minute was just like me working on my 20 year old Buick. "Well, there's some bolts. What do you think that does?" Yep, that's me spot on!
And you can't drive as far and you have to wait forever to charge it. Everyones saying "it's going that way whether we like it or not" Well, I guess I'm committing suicide because I'm done. I'd rather not be in this shithole of a disaster no one wants but everyone accepts like the bunch of low IQ individuals they truely are
@@asherdie ...Tesla batteries after 10 years are still going strong with less than 10% range loss, & we can expect future batteries to do even better. Automotive lithium batteries will all be recycled - doing so is far cheaper than mining & refining the materials from scratch. Range loss when towing, etc is inevitable. These losses apply to ICE vehicles as well, but few of us notice because gasoline engines are so inefficient by comparison to electric drives.
We have a few Toshiba T300MVi 1250HP VFDs on our property and the drive rooms have 6 wall pack 5 ton A/C's per two units o we don't have to deal with water.
I can imagine the nightmare. It's called, "being a slave to a dealership & manufacturer for the rest of your life". Fun. But yes, EV's are less maintenance.... I'd rather rebuild my engine once every 2 months than deal with that monstrosity.
@@RothBeyondTheGrave These EV's are disposable the battery likely goes bad around the same time the coolant parts start to leak. Not going to see many 15 or 20 year old EV trucks using LiOn batteries...they warranty the batteries for 8 years so it is safe to assume at around 10-12 years just dig a hole and throw dirt on it.
@@shaunbava1801 More like those batteries will be repurposed after they reach the end of their useful life in the vehicle into electric grid storage for green energy (no sun at night and the wind doesn't always blow). At minimum the metal content is worth recycling, and those industries are gearing up for the new EV market as well.
Watching this has me torn between my natural inclination to tear stuff apart to see how it works and crippling fear of modern technology and the rise of the machines. Still a great video, and much more interesting than most F150 lightning videos out right now. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
The issue with electric vehicles is that they are disposable. I can drive a diesel truck 400k+ miles over 30+ years and it'll still go strong with very minimal repairs. If any current evs are on the road 10 years from now without many 10s of thousands being spent on them I'd be surprised.
Apparently while pulling the max amount with this truck, it will give you just a 40 mile range. 40 miles. That's it. ( standard F150, not the Platinum version with extra battery. )
That's a great range for towing. You would barely get out of town with another 300 miles to go to your destination. Makes one wonder about transport trucks towing heavy loads through high mountain passes. Sounds like a great idea.
@@dregsta that's what the Globalists are pushing for they want everyone confined. There's a video on TH-cam called The Line. Look it up and see what they have planned for the world.
I can confirm that. Had the newer touch style on a 2020 Ford Explorer. It was a nightmare as it had a mind of its own when it decided to wake up. I had to beat on it for like 10 minutes once to get back into my car, which I locked with the keys inside since I didn't want to carry them with me. It worked from poorly to not at all...
I have the newer touch kind on my 13 Taurus and it never ever works on the first try. It’s still very handy though. Glad they went back to the older one!
@@KylesVideos I never figured out how to wake it up. I tried fingers, palm, hand, touching in different areas on the door frame, etc. I just had to keep trying different ways until it finally woke up each time. The old style definitely works better...
Electric vehicles really do have some zip. I took an Uber last week and the guy showed up in a Tesla Model X. He demonstrated the 0 to 45 acceleration. I was plastered to the seatback like one of those pictures of astronauts training in a centrifuge. It's pretty darn cool.
Strange thing is why people are so fascinated with fast acceleration? What about 0-60 in 0.00001 sec? What a thrill ride as your flesh rips from your bones! I am perfectly happy with acceleration that allows me to merge into highway. That's it.
@@jasoncrandall73 yeah I mean you can get 20 years out of a frame in the rust belt it's the thin body panels that get speed holes. That skid plate should last till the battery is junk and the truck is a mechanical write off. I don't like that all that fancy shit under the frunk and under the skid plate that is going to get salt in it.
always had respect for wizard, but I've got even more as he can have a deep skill set but acknowledge that when something new comes around he can adapt and learn.
There is numerous points of failure on the F150 Lightning either from parts dying and/or road damage from flying stones and crap. Instant torque=AWESOME
Cut the range in half if you're towing anything, and knock off another 30% in cold weather. Then cut a few percentage points each year as batteries age.
You hit the nail on the head: it needs more range. If it can't match the range of a conventional gas version, people won't buy it and will complain about it. Great content!
“I’m a Ford 5.4, watch me drop a cam phaser!” 😂😂😂 The tailgate step seems silly UNTIL the first time you use it… then it’s amazing! (It’s an option on the gas trucks too.)
Hoovie nailed it tho on us boomers with bad knees. My neighbour's wife gets a kick out of watching me get in and out of the bed of my pickup. I've learned to just grab my 3' step ladder now "awww that's no fun" lol.
Had it on my 2012 FX2. Was cool. Wouldn't specifically select it on a build sheet, though. I liked GM's built in bumper step. No moving parts to fail until the bumper rusts through
I wish my Ranger had the step. My Silverado had the bumper steps which was awesome. Getting up into the bed of the Ranger isn't as easy as it used to be and I'm only in my 30s. To quote Dr Jones, "It's not years, it's the mileage."
The high voltage harnesses exposed to road salt doesn't really sound like a solid plan to me. Hope they seal everything well and protect from rubbing through the insulation. Sounds like a truck you buy new and punt when the warranty is gone
@Tron Jockey how much does a battery replacement cost? (I guess that is rhetorical as replacement batteries are prob not available yet but likely North of $20K) If it is more than the vehicle is worth with a new battery in it then its not worth it and most will get scrapped.
@@juliogonzo2718 amazing i am still alive.. so this current is going to leap out of the wire .. past all the grounding body and kill you.. Most likely the only way you would be killed is if you are doing something stupid. and for this reason alone we need more electric vehicles. My guess you should stay away from electic vehicles.
as I commented to an earlier post it does have few exposed areas that if I bought these would need to address before any daily driving or winter months but it's still a kool truck and if they ever make one that can hold around 350 actual winter miles on a charge then yes I'd consider it ... specially 2dr one to make me remember my old lightning
I know this "show" isn't scripted but I love when they plan stuff out in advance, I burst out laughing when Wizard starts drinking water right as Hoovie is taking a turn slowly, I saw it coming a mile away but it was even better than I thought it would be.
Imagine repair expenses on that! What if the battery fails for example. Don’t know about the lightning but I heard the Tesla costs $20,000 to replace the battery. And what about when the day comes to put the truck “out to pasture”? Because of those rechargeable lithium batteries they would be considered hazmat right? So there would have to be specialized disposal methods for them. Thank god I live in a state where the wokies aren’t in control and pushing their “eco” agenda. I’ll happily keep my gas burner. Also, imagine taking a family vacation in an EV. Can’t just go anywhere you want… you have to plan your stops around where there is a nearby charging station.
We are not eliminating emissions we are exporting them to other countries. When these batteries are no longer good we will send them to another country where they will be buried & forgotten till they become an environmental issue.
I love how ford put that ruler on the tailgate even though the one guy that will ever use that will probably never buy something he cant work on himself or bring to the local small town machinic to have fixed.
Yes. In 2035 it will be almost impossible to get a new gas car. So for a while the mechanic industry will increase as people try to keep their old cars running.
@@ecospider5 Don't buy that nonsense. The math does not work on EV's. Oil is a LOT cheaper to produce! Look at how much it was when Trump was in office. No way anyone can justify a car that even our electrical grid can't support!
I can say this much about the truck in the video. That truck must have 10 thousand miles worth of wiring. Good luck if there are electrical problems, and oh yea, good luck charging that thing when the grids are overwhelmed.
You know the funny thing is that the base part of the EV stuff is actually quite simple: a battery, a controller, and motor. It's all the fancy crap around it, things ICE cars already have, that make it more complex. Don't believe me? Go watch some stuff on EV swaps, there's a reason it's so simple to drop some of these motors into random cars. The mounting of the batteries and the machining to make it mount is the harder part.
It's sad that you can't buy a really, really simple vehicle without all the complicated stuff that ages quickly. I drive a 2011 Defender which didn't come with a radio out of the factory, but as a result it means I can fit whatever I like and keep it updated.
@@ravenof1985 Yes, an EV built out of a recycled 1980's or 1990's lightweight basic car with manual everything, and which has already long outlived it's carbon deficit, is the ideal electric car which is actually beneficial to the environment. Not these newly manufactured overly complex mechanical liabilities on wheels. If EV's were truly about efficiency and not simply acting as a marketing tool to try and part ICE drivers with their money via spectacle, those would be the kind of vehicles we'd be seeing. Basic, basic, basic, and lightweight as possible. As soon as we start seeing basic mass manufactured electric vehicles like that, that is when we know the EV is actually produced for environmental reasons and not as status symbols or marketing schemes.
@@K31TH3R #faqs you hit the nail on the head. The only practical advantage of EV is instant torque on take off. Otherwise, just technical spectacle that you can get in any ICE car for alot less even. And they don't help the environment either, or consider that we are decades if not a century away from a grid that can handle electric personal transportation. I have little faith in that becoming a reality mainly thanks to the utter incompetency of the government. Frankly nearly every societal ill and problem is directly related to government meddling as it is. I have no idea why people think the Gov will solve "environmental" issues.
I'm telling you, I'd break that fancy charging thing almost immediately lol, the first load of firewood its gone. Hopefully they have that inside a metal box. I do like the front trunk where the motor used to be. That's a handy place to store tools and would be a better place for the plugs that are in the bed. All in all evs won't currently work for my application I live in rural areas but I am excited for the future, as we perfect the technology they may become useful.
I was going to say the plugs in the bed would be great for plugging in your power tools but everyone is now using cordless tools so I don't see a value .
That's precisely it. Unless you're an enthusiast (for the truck), or only need it for a daily commute, EV's won't be practical. However, they do fill a considerable need for millions of people. The rest, well, as you said... once they perfect the technology, ICE vehicles will mostly be a novelty. Or, only useful in places where electricity is just not feasible. But that's likely 15-20 years away.
Those Control Arms in the Rear are BEEFY!!! But this new Tech coming out. It puts us older guys who LOVE and Hate working on Cars. This... I'm with Wizard.. I won't even touch a EV in repairs.
There's honestly not much you CAN even repair on them. Motors are going to probably be a "replace as a unit" type of thing. The equivalent to engine out stuff is going to be battery replacements. They aren't maintenance free, but there's a lot less of it. Coolant leaks are probably going to be the biggest thing, especially with that rat's nest of small hoses this thing is using.
Honestly, there's not much to be repaired on them. If a motor fails it gets replaced. If the battery pack fails it gets replaced. The rest of it (suspension, brakes) is just normal car parts though like every other car.
@@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342 that battery replacement is the kicker. Imagine buying a 10 yr old used whatever for $15k, knowing you actually bought a $30k used whatever. And you'll never be able to swap the batteries yourself. Meanwhile, literal inbreds are swapping old truck motors in their barns with basic hand tools. The future is "dealership only". Hopefully they'll at least sell us suspension & brake components. I could see hoses being denied sale due to the risk of fire if/when someone were to spill coolant & any of the various high voltage components that are seemingly everywhere.
It's beyond astonishing that you can SEE all those electrical connectors from underneath the truck. If you can see them, the snow and salt can sure get to them. They might be OK in California and New Mexico but I'd give it one winter here in the UK! I suppose the thinking is that it's a truck and any protective shield would just get smashed?
My work is getting hybrid ford escapes shortly, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do, supposedly they have a 30 mile full electric range, my boss test drove it for about 25 miles and averaged 150 mpg.
... The better way to go, i think!! We will NEVER be finished with fossil fuel!!! Actually the best situation is:::: ICE, DIESEL, PHEV,EV••••• LET THE CUSTOMER DECIDE. WE CAN HAVE ALL THREE UNTIL ONE ISN'T PURCHASED ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN IT!!! Not forcing EV's like Joe Biden is doing! That to me is like A DICTATORSHIP!!! AND IT JUST DON'T FLY!!!!!
Great video!!! Wizard, please do not retire. We need someone like you to uncover the truth about EV’s. Everyone else is full of crap. Listening to you and Hoovie talk is refreshing. What Wizard said is absolutely correct. Once we have a 400 to 500 mile range and the car charges in 20 minutes. Nobody will want a gas car!!! You are exactly right Wizard!!! Let’s also not forget, we have ultra super car performance and we are just getting started. This all reminds me of the switch from tube TV’s to flat panels. At this point you cannot give away a tube Television.
We have the tech. Its called Hydrogen... but nope. Must go the crazy toxic complicated throwaway lith-ion battery route... yup. Welcome to throwaway cars that make the previous ones look like tanks.
When you say tube TV's are you referring to TV's from the 50's & 60's that had vacuum tubes instead of solid state circuitry or are you referring to TV's from the 70' thru the 90's with a picture tube, but with solid state circuitry? I've owned both.
When you say tube TV's are you referring to TV's from the 50's & 60's that had vacuum tubes instead of solid state circuitry or are you referring to TV's from the 70' thru the 90's with a picture tube, but with solid state circuitry? I've owned both.
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I'm all for going green, I even bike to work, but I have a very hard time not feeling like the future of cars is moving to unrepairable and planned obsolescence. Great for companies, not any better for consumers or the environment.
I'm sure your coworkers appreciate the smell of sweaty gym socks you bring to your cubicle after you bike to work every morning.....
@@henryjoshual1848 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My impression is that the future is moving to longer-lasting vehicles that don't need as many repairs, but what repairs are needed will mostly be swapping out modules because it will simply be easier and cheaper to replace an old module with a new one than to repair the old one. But I also expect that with autonomy we will begin to see transportation as a service displacing much private ownership of vehicles, especially in urban areas, so the companies operating those services will want vehicles that are durable and easy to repair so that if something breaks the vehicle can be quickly repaired and put back in service rather than sitting around in the garage.
That said, I expect most people in rural areas and many in small towns will still own their own vehicles. In urban areas where a wait time for an autonomous taxi will be very short and parking costs can be very high transportation as a service will be a huge cost saver - but in rural areas and in small towns not so much.
unfortunately, the lie in society is that vehicles are the problem. they are not. and if they were, its not coming from 1st world countries.
@@alanlight7740 Autonomous vehicles are a pipe-dream in the real world; a sci-fi fantasy that will never overcome legal hurdles even if technically feasible in a controlled environment.
As a retired FORD mechanic I laughed my ass off when Hoovie said I'm a 5.4 watch me drop a cam phaser..I used to love those cuz I could easily beat the flat rate on 'em.
I felt personally attacked with that bit lol
As gas truck motors go? I think you can do a lot worse.
*laughs with 2V then blows a spark plug*
@@timetravelerdmc9809 2v is like, 3000% more reliable.
Lol fords are junk
Crazy that Ford didnt follow Tesla with a heat pump and a single system to handle all. Sandy Munro's Mach E teardown showed how many crazy cooling hoses and pumps Ford is using. This is definitely 1st Gen EV and I am sure it will reduce in parts later.
People online like to knock Tesla for quality, some of it is rightfully deserved, but you can't knock their engineering to make their cars as easy to produce (and repair) as possible. I know somebody with a 5 year old Model 3 who has yet to take it in for any sort of service.
It is far more complicated than the Tesla system but it has the advantage of a backup heat source. It can use the inverter and motor heat to supplement heat or be the primary heat source of the PTC heater fails. Tesla doesn't have that capability. But I do expect Ford to eventually move to a heat pump solely for the efficiency gains.
@@asimo3089 Running stuff until it breaks is normal behavior for people, not a mark of excellence.
If you look around at many late model ICE vehicles you'll find coolant hose counts not far off this Lightning. Water-air intercooler, fuel cooler, and trans cooler on cold red with electric pump. Engine and turbo on the hot radiator and engine driven pump but may have an electric one too. The transfer case can also be plumbed to the cooling system for it to be cooled. The EV coolant Temps are 150-ish and less.
Bill?
Proud owner of a 2023 Lariat LR. Think of all the things you don't have to replace over time with a Lightning. Exhaust system, transmissions, tune ups, lubricants, filters, plugs, starters, fuel systems, etc, etc!
Oh and because of regenerative braking the brake pads could easily last the life of the vehicle.
Few owners mention but the amazing full matrix headlights are incredible.
You can buy a lot of gas, and pay for a lot of maintenance with the $25k extra you pay for the lightening up front. Electric vehicles have their place, but sick of fan boys not accepting reality.
Magic Mike. He do shows😂
@@notpoliticallycorrect4774 Can you buy 20 years of gas and maintenance? Not likely, meanwhile my solar panels will still be producing free electricity to drive around with and a single gallon will likely be over 5 bucks.
2025 lariat f150 lightning is 76k the gas powered version is 70k - the lightning comes w/ a 7500 tax credit - so they are the same price
idk what you are talking about
Kudos to Car Wizard for taking the hit with that water bottle bit just to make a funny video.
I've watched a thousand Lightening videos and you guys are the first to take out the front tub. Great job.👍 Finally nice to see what's under there.
It ain't lookin' pretty under there...
I appreciated the tub-out perspective as well.
Go watch Munro Live…. There’s much much more to learn!
@@MartinJones123 you kiddin? You ever seen these GTDI v6s? Looks like a colony of heat and hoses.
@@aliabdallah102 Well true, but electric cars have wiring all over the place... That's why I'm saying that it doesn't look very good under the tub...
I can’t imagine the nightmare these will become after a couple winters in an area that has salt on the roads.
Yeah because I'm sure Ford hasn't thought about that.
@@uowebfoot With Ford recalling 5.4 million vehicles last year it won't be their first time not thinking about something.
No worries, you’re saving the planet lol.
@@uowebfoot I agree, they haven't! Have you seen the issues they have with their 100 year old technology called reciprocating gas engines?
Absolutely. Give it a season or 2 in upstate ny's salt and calcium loaded salt.
I live in a rural community and these trucks are FAR off of what we need for agricultural use. After watching your video of the towing range, I'll be sticking with combustion engines for the foreseeable future.
Yeah an electric truck made for agricultural use wouldn't have a 20 inch touchscreen either. I get what you're saying but Ford isn't exactly looking for your business with the Lightning. This is for suburbanites who don't do truck stuff and would be better served with a Honda Accord and renting a uhaul the 2 times a year they buy mulch or a new dryer but their ego won't let them buy a car.
No amount of effort will get you a practical EV farm truck. Battery tech simply isn't there yet - hopefully something actually nice shows up soon enough
Cybertruck
@@jackthatmonkey8994 Cybertruck
EVs are expensive golf carts. I might consider getting one for local driving only. Hybrids are by far the most efficient as they recharge themselves and allow for long range trips with quick refueling and not needing a road map to find charging stations that take 45 minutes to charge for another 100 miles of range.
Door number pad is awesome and I’ll never be convinced otherwise. You can throw all your stuff in the car including keys and lock it so you don’t lose anything, for instance, going on a float trip? Leave wallet, phone, keys in car, lock it, have fun drinking on tipping over canoes, swimming, floating etc, without worry that you’ll need to replace a $800 phone, $200 key/fob, credit cards, ID, etc or anything.
It will always be one of my favorite feature on a car.
I don't understand why people say that doesn't like the key pad. Maybe are just Ford haters lol
with my old subaru i clipped the keys by the fuel pump under the car
I hate that absolutely NOBODY else went this route for keyless entry.
So what you are saying is criminals just need to focus on Fords, cause their owners will even leave the keys in the car making it super easy to steal?
it amazes me that ford is pretty much the only company who ever did it. I believe Nissan tried it back in the mid 80's? but it was super rare.
I don't really lock my truck, but I love the keypad.
When I bought my latest Ford truck a few years back, at the dealership when I was signing the huge stack of papers etc. The guy of course started in on the sales pitch for all the various extended warranties, when he tried the extended warranty for the electrical system. He said your standard warranty doesn't cover the electrical system and he said "Your new truck has 15 km of wiring in it... you should get this warranty" I couldn't imagine how much more wiring this truck has. I declined all the extra warranties, I was very specific about it... yet somehow in the stack of papers he managed to slip in a tire warranty, I was so mad about that. Surprise, surprise that tire warranty was next to useless, you needed to get pre-authorization to get a flat repair, at only approved shops... who the heck has time to deal with all that when you get a flat?
This truck is going to be exactly like the mustang Mach E nothing but a big expensive piece of crap over expensive and what is it going to be good good for I saw a test on one of these loaded with a trailer it went 50 miles versus a diesel truck which went 250 miles they tested this lightning on the tfl TH-cam so whoever bought this truck I would send it back get your money back and buy a real truck with a real engine like a diesel .
A friend of mine owns a 4 bay Garage he has operated since he was a Teenager! He once told me that "if it wasn't for FORD's, he would starve to death!" That's when I noticed all 4 bays had a ford in it and we live in a GM town with a huge GM factory just 1 mile away! I had warranty problems with a new 98 Ranger I bought. Piss poor service and had to argue with them to get the problems fixed. I didn't buy another one. Only 1 new Ford experience for me was enough!
Believe it or not, there's likely less wiring (for the drivetrain) in this. Think of how many wires a standard engine has, four wires for every 02 sensor, IAC, oil pressure, individual injectors, coil on plug harnesses, crank and cam positioning sensors.
On this a lot of it is packed up front where it's safe, the rest of the truck should be identical to a gas truck, with ABS sensors and all that being similar.
A very basic EV can have so much less wiring, but companies are cramming them full of other comfort electronics since there's expensive anyway.
And in a few more years, nobody is going to hassle me about add-ons when I get a used one. My C-Max Energi will last long enough for me to pick up a Mustang off lease in a few years, and then no more gasoline in a car EVER.
(I'll keep an ICE bike a bit longer, nobody's built one I really want yet.)
The plug-in hybrid is great, and the last few months I've loved laughing at the suckers paying today's gas prices, but it's almost time to never care what gas costs again.
@@jonc4403 Well, I agree in principle, except we need to triple our current production of electricity, within 15 years... and I don't see triple the power plants, being built... or electrical transmission lines, and as usual it all comes down to supply and demand.
"I think that's something waiting to break..." said EVERY car owner in the last 10 years... There's an episode of "King of the Hill" where Hank is invited to a focus group on a new truck, and he says it's one step away from being a powder room. He was spot on.
That was a lawnmower focus group
I guess you're right, it's been a while..."Nine pretty darn angry men"
@@Blowinshiddup I think it's even funnier and exemplary of how far we have pushed every product into the absurd. I've been on a KOTH kick lately. Just watched the ep last week. Every child in school should be forced to watch the entirety of KOTH for basic civics. It would be leagues better than the modern curriculum
Well, in the '80's it was broke when you got it from the dealer!
how would these EVs standin the salt belt?
I love the number pad thing it's a life saver. If I go hiking just lock everything up and when I come back, just punch in the code. Sometimes I give the code to my friends so they wait for me inside the truck instead of standing outside waiting for me, so convenient.
I don't even know what my code is. LOL
Definitely a life saver, I have it on my F-150 HD. Sometimes for a quick return to grab something I forgot, instead of leaving the engine running with unlock doors (car thieves can jump in), I just lock it up and punch in the code when I return.
@@johnrogers8763 found mine for the truck I bought on a tag on the computer under the dash
Me too - I would never have imagined how convenient it is to be able to get in and out of the truck without the key.
They did try to kill off the number pad once, but there was an uproar from customers and they brought it back. I read someplace that Ford wants to kill it, but can’t figure out how.
Never seen a number pad to unlock a regular car like this before, neat.
Though it was obviously staged, I loved seeing the Wizard doused in water upon acceleration. Very entertaining indeed.
We haven’t seen that level of staged since Top Gear (U.K.) went under. Great work.
@@Jay-Kay-Em They would have accepted the emmy for best unscripted comedy but they were too busy writing their script.
When I do that to my girl she doesn't think it's funny, but it's actually a riot.
@@Hedonistic0Frog I read that in Clarkson's voice.
More new vehicles are being totaled after a medium crash and I would suspect that EVs will raise that number.
My 05 5.4 is still hauling 1200 lbs of gravel after 284k like it only has 175k. I've had it 5 years and spent less than $1500 for all work other than oil changes.
The door keypad thing is great for those of us that do watersports and don’t want to ruin the fob with saltwater.
Lol watersports 😉
@@MRblazedBEANS R Kelly was a big fan of the door keypad :)
It look identical to one on a 25 year old Ford.
Everything is peaches and cream when new but just wait after a few years when the nightmare begins. PURE JUNK!
I lock my keys in my truck (intentionally) all the time. It’s a guarantee I won’t lose or destroy the fob.
Gonna' be fun seeing how the salvage / wrecking yards handle business with these E cars and trucks.
There's a market for e-waste, you will just have more entrants to this market as demand grows
Wonder how many thousands they’ll be charging for that... gotta save the earth, lol!
@@chrisstromberg6527 really?...they end up on a bigpile i can tell you that now. Recycling this costs to much money. We'll talk again in 10 years.
Most batteries are worth money at the scrap yard. What makes these different?
@@joeweaver9913 I went to Batteries Plus to recycle AA and AAA and 9V batteries and had to pay them to take them. Will EV batteries be the same? You can bet there will be a “disposal” fee when they are replaced, assuming they can or will be.
The car wizard will need a stunt double if this channel keeps going in this direction lol
Isn't that the ninja?
Dude is like 40 and talking about retirement. TH-cam has been good for him.
i hope it does i loved this kind of nonsense
lol was funny watching him bounce around like a rag doll
I suspect Hoovie's parts prices just went up a bit....
Oh man you guys just reminded me of my 2004 5.4 cam phases rattling extremely loud. I remember someone asking me if I had a diesel engine one time. Ford wanted $2500 to repair my phasers and then look at timing chains (think had 2) that was another $1500 if bad. I sold it soon after. Like the channel gents!
That Magic Mike is such a cool dude. Yeah I’d take my EV to his shop for repairs.
I'd love to hear the Elon Musk story.
@@Beer_Dad1975 Vinwiki needs to get on it.
I can see Magic Mike starting his own Electrified Garage.
I agree with all the comments👍
In the mid- 1960’s my older brother bought a ‘46 Ford pickup. It had a flathead six and a four speed crashbox transmission. We did bodywork and paint. The wiring needed attention. I learned a lot from that truck (how to double clutch, for instance). My brother sold that truck when he married his first wife (of four). That truck functioned well. I miss that truck.
Crashbox lol. Never heard an unsynchronized gearbox called that before
Better than the wives.
A truck used to be the simplest and easiest vehicle to work on.
Back when men weren't grown ass women...
So Id be very curious to see what happens to all of the plugs/electrical connectors and all of the steel skid plates after a few years of Michigan winters. I cant image all of the road salt being very good for any of it.
Ok just I just read an article that a guy has a fully loaded platnium edition of this truck with the extended range batteries in it. He hooked his boat up to it which weighs about 7400 pounds. He started out with fully charged batteries and managed to drive 58 MILES before his batteries were dead. Who wants one of these now?
Not only the skid plates but all the electrical connections, Michigan salt is brutal on cars and Ford's don't do well as it is in them
you mean like the 2019 chevy trucks with the braided ground straps underneath that rot away in less than 3 years causing major electrical problems that dealers want to charge a fortune to fix (replacing electronics and sensors) instead of just putting a good ground cable on it?
@@tabbott429 exactly
Electrical comnections are usually water tight and if the manufactures would just gold plate the electrical connections they would not be susceptible to corrosion. It was an industry standard to gold plate the electrical connections on wires for air bags for many years IDK if it still is though.
I'm an EV tech working in Norway, the country with the most EVs per capita in the world, and salt isn't a problem at all.
All the connectors are well isolated/insulated, and we never see any corrosion in the high voltage lines.
It's much more of a problem on the low voltage lines, and an EV have just as many low voltage lines as any combustion car.
EV’s have a long way to go and the support for them even further
Right and left aside, nobody seems to hate Hoovie. And thats important. He is just honest and we should all hope it stays that way.
This is the second video I've watched of his. I will take exception to your statement and say this guy is a fuckin numbnuts that wakes up in a new world every day. Every GD comment he makes about this truck "huh that's different but the torque though". Ugh. Take the fanboi glasses off and rewatch.
@@martybadboy Watch more. It's his shtick. The whole thing is based on him being a goof who makes bad decisions
3:41 Don’t knock the number pad. It’s actually a great feature. I had a Fusion with it and I used it all the time. Handy when you just need to grab something out of the car and you don’t want to fiddle with the keys.
A lot easier using their touchless entry with the key in your pocket.
@@BubbaSimmz I had all that. My car now you don’t even need a key fob. Just your phone. But it was nice to be able to get in the car without any of that.
@@ksaboda what ride u in that has the keyless/phone entry? That’s cool.
@@BubbaSimmz Tesla Model 3.
I love the keypad and use it all the time. I can leave the key fob in the truck when I ride my bike or go camping.
The 2nd AC system is used to cool/chill the batteries for better range, charging and performance.
Also longevity, the lifespan of lithium ion batteries is significantly better when they are cooled
@@griffin8062 they need to be heated as well, in cold weather your range drops and below freezing half the range will be gone due to heating the battery and yourself
@@javic1979 basically a very narrow optimal temperature range
I'm glad most EVs come with that system nowadays. I have a first-gen Leaf that doesn't have a battery cooling system, and it's lost a lot of range over the years. Part of that is just older battery tech, but a cooling system makes a world of difference. Batteries last a lot longer if they're kept within their preferred temperature range.
Also to help protect from thermal runaway and dangerous venting of the cells
The keypad is the best thing ford ever did. I always have a spare key in my truck hidden so i wont strand myself if i do loose my key. The last two buttons pushed together lock the doors and i have mine programmed to unlock all doors always
I've always been a fan of them, especially when boating. You can squirrel the keys away somewhere safe in the car/truck and lock it and not worry about the "Plunk" noise they make when they go for a swim as you go from dock to bow/stern. Would have loved the Lincoln red led style hidden typically on a glossy section of the B pillar somewhere on my '14 Mustang (although there really isn't an elegant spot to put them on all the last of the S197, unless they could do it in the leading edge of quarter window. I'd imagine It'd just put the square box on the door like an afterthought.) Ford does offer a stick on, 3m tape numpad for nearly all their vehicles ... great for those that really need it, but outside a work truck it'd have to be something you really wanted.
put your keys on the inside dish of one of your wheels, done, finished no problem and no one will find them.
@@paddington1670 I will 😈
Nah the Jaguar/Land Rover activity key beats that number pad hands down. Just swipe the bootlid with the bracelet and you’re in. Can keeps keys in the car which de-activate when the activity key is used. So you can go swim or whatever.
I ordered my 2022 traverse with a keypad. I’m a ford guy but had gm credit due to another car I had that they would buy me a car of similar msrp. Apparently gm has the keypad as an option but no one gets it lol
That's exactly what I was thinking with the tailgate, all that nonsense is cool at first, but how much is an electric tailgate cost to fix or replace in the event of a rear end collision? All that cool crap is going to need to be fixed someday.
Not even in a rear end collision. I'll be making the other bastard's insurance pay for that part. But the real question is what will it cost when it just breaks on its own and you just have to replace it out of your own pocket
Love the number pad. Very handy when you don’t have your key or remote and you want to get something out of the car. Also, you can lock your keys etc. (hidden)in the car when you are at the beach etc. Very useful, don’t know why they all don’t do it.
Ford has the patent on the #pad. Only reason other mfgs can't do it.
@@858415 hell make it an alpha/numeric pad lol
@@repnatl Not just the design of the pad, but the use on a vehicle too.
Only one thing wrong with that keypad, Forgetting you don't have it anymore because you bought a different vehicle and casually lock your keys inside the vehicle like you have for the last few years every time you go fishing. Ask me how I know.
@@skoronesa1 the fact got away with that is telling of Fords influence on goberment. Like I get a patent for the actual keypad, but a patent for the use of any keypads to open a vehicle door is nuts
Pushing the button to electrically close the tailgate just cost him 10 miles
Hooking up to a small trailer will cost him about 200 miles.
EPIC!!! lol
Yep. Several tests showing range of only about 100 miles tiwing 3500 pounds.
I am guessing sarcasm because you are smart enough to know all the accessories run off the 12volt battery. Not the main battery.
Lmao
I lost it when the wizard got a face full of water 😂
i just about did what he did with my coffee when I saw it. LOL
i was like "bad timing if he start drinking the water when Tyler is going to floor it" well guess what! 🤣
So fake
That was GOLD
Lol you Americans are easily fooled and pleased. So glad our English humour in the uk is a lot less fake 😂😂
I have a 5.4 2 valve and its been great. 24yrs still going strong.
"whatever you would want to measure I suppose... if you're a man alone with his truck" 😂😂that one got me
Yeah I chuckled at that one too!
I thought he was going to Stand at the side of the tailgate and do some eyebrow Corny smile.
Followed by "that is for the boomers with the bad knees" lol
@@mrheath4928 poop pop pop pop pop pop
I imagine a man alone with this truck would slap his BBC on that tailgate
(Big black Cod)
Like the Fish
As a young mechanic who only got into the industry a few years ago it has been crazy to watch how electric cars have gone from a niche little novelty to becoming the future of all vehicles. In my automotive schooling we barely went over hybrids let alone fully electric vehicles. It breaks my heart because I am not passionate at all about electric vehicles especially being someone that only buys and drives manual cars. To me the less driver assist the more enjoyable the driving experience is. I really wish I was born earlier because all of my favorite cars are from the 90s and are rare now and fetch ridiculous prices online these days and the fact that you can't ever buy cars like that again in the future isn't helping. I either need to get into a dealer so I can be prepped and ready for the electric car shift or get into a specialty Indy shop that will continue to work on ICE vehicles like we have now with classic car restoration shops. Or maybe just switch careers. I wonder how it's going to affect the industry with the whole flat rate pay scale since there will be less moving parts there will be less jobs to go around. For the first time in a long time we might see mechanic Jobs become a saturated market instead of in high demand. They'll become hard to get instead of mechanics being hard to find.
This is a really interesting take. I 100% agree with you on everything you said! What this also means though is if you specialize in ICE engines you will have all the business you could ever want. I personally think there’s a huge disconnect between what politicians think we need and what people will actually spend their hard-earned money on. Trust me, there will always be a market for car enthusiasts who will always pay any amount of money to have work done on their V8 engine. Look at sports cars….as turbocharged small engines and electric motors take over everything, you’ll see V8 and V10 engines become more and more valuable. Just like manuals are more and more valuable. Look at Ferraris. If you want a used Ferrari with a gated manual transmission, that car will cost you almost double what a paddle shift will cost you.
Maintenance is low but repairs are a problem. High voltage requires time to make the unit safe to work on. Expose the inside of that battery pack to oxygen and all hell ignites. Lithium is NOT the best element to use.
Just because the rich people running car companys and politicians say it's the future doesn't mean there right... or that is has to be..... gas cars will be relevant for as long as any of us will live. The majority of the population will never be able to afford an ev.. if you really are a car mechanic and car enthusiasts don't be such a spineless bitch. Fight for the type of cars you love!
Change your profession. It's not too late.
Understand this: The EV is a dead end technology. The essential chemistry and technology has not, can not and will not change. You may deny reality but reality will not deny you.
its funny seeing hoovie struggle with the bed step as if doug hasn't explained how it works in every ford pickup video he's ever done
What I find hilarious is how GM mocked Ford for having a "man step" in the tailgate, and then a few years later released its own heavily over-engineered version that's about 10x more complicated and more expensive that'll almost certainly break 6 months after the warranty expires.
@@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342 Meanwhile Ram split the tailgate sideways 60-40 so you can just walk up and use the step that holds the license plate. I've seen one and only one. I wish barn doors on SUVs hadn't died.
No one watches doug, hes a nerd. Cant stand him
@@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342 not to mention you'll dent the GM tailgate if using the step feature while you have a trailer ball in the hitch receiver.
Loved Hoovies towing loop test and M-Trend tested the $93K “Platinum” with max upgrades and only made it 90 miles, towing an 7,200 lb travel trailer. EPA shows 300mi range empty with driver only and the test only returned 230 miles. Also Ford announced losses due to increased production costs that will add at least $5K to all models.
Obviously they all have a long way to go with battery technology, etc. before ET’s are a viable replacement option for ICE’s.
"That looks like its gonna break" wizard has been a mechanic for too long
This is actually fascinating. It’s so much more interesting to see the machinery behind these cars vs the the myth that these cars aren’t mechanical. That said, I can spot things that I like better about EV drivetrains and things I like better about ICE drive trains. All in all they’re all machines.
Exactly, no need to get defensive about a particular kind of technology. It all depends on the use case.
I just want to know how long I can run a fridge off all those batteries if I go camping for a few days?
@@ripvanrevs lol, just don’t over due it or you’ll be getting towed out of the woods
i'm from the south whats a ice drive train. lol what are both
@@ItsTheNada Ford lets you set a thing so it stops powering the fridge before you can't get to a charger
6.0 Powerstroke is universally panned on but everyone forgets that it was lightyears more reliable than the 6.4 after it. A 6.0 that isn't beat on truly isn't very bad, it's just when you start to actually use it that they blow up.
"it's just when you start to actually use it that they blow up"
@@iwillbuycocainefromyou exactly. Meanwhile, the 6.4 blows up on the daily just by looking at it.
I am an old, disabled vet and just got a great deal on a 2023 Lariat, extended battery Lightning. I absolutely love this truck. I am not like Hoovie where I can flip a vehicle on a whim. This truck is much less complicated than a internal combustion vehicle with all it's complicated systems. No thanks, I am done with ICE cars.
How's it less complicated. The electronics on the vehicle would be very complicated all by itself. If there was a fault somewhere it'd cost a lot in labour to diagnose.
@@firecatinfernus3534 30K to 40K total moving parts on a ICE F150, 40 or less moving parts on a electric F150. Lightning. Duh!
@@LarryRichelli moving parts would be easier to figure out than a damn shorted wire in such a massive harness. Duh!!
you guys are killing me as i look out in the driveway at my 5.4 ford. you make me want to cry.
Watched videos on 5.4. key is to change oil regularly. With out sluge buildup should last a long time. Problem is buying a used Ford truck, don't know maintenance background.
Yeah 5.4 isn’t a bad motor. Take care of your shit. People do t change their oil and are lazy with vehicles and then when the thing grenades it’s all of a sudden a piece of shit vehicle.
Perhaps Ford should have gone with a high-tech (NOT) pushrod V8 engine like Chevy! LOL 😀!
@@streetassasinGSR96 something wrong with people who pay $75k for a truck and can’t bother to change the oil. Low IQ behavior
@Michael Tinari That's what I've been saying for years. More than half the time, the vehicle would be fine for a long time if the owner just took care of it.
I have not laughed at one of your videos like I just did in a long time. Flooring it when the Wizard was taking a drink of water was CLASSIC!
Thank you and thank you some more for taking it apart. No Other channel has given such a great in depth and detailed review.
Hoovie and Wizard are the best.
You can watch one of these taken apart on “Munro Live” YT channel and get Sandy Munro’s analysis.
Fun fact an electric car uses 6 times the amount of rare earth metals than a comparable ICE vehicle.
Yea an EV is just another take on the automobile. Any notion of “environmentalism” is purely psychological.
Simply because of the current battery tech. Battery chemistry changes. Plus current ones are highly recyclable. You can't recycle burned gas
@peek5548 Well, transferred to various places more like.
Wizard may retire, but he will forever be in our hearts a mechanic.
Also I love the keypad. it's great when you go out on a boat or jet ski. You throw the keys in the console so they don't end up at the bottom of the ocean.
Yea, i love the keypad as well.
Works well for many purposes of needing to lock keys in your car🤙
or a nude beach ⛱
That one feature on Fords I do like and use.
Ford is the only company that still puts them on their vehicles and when I ordered my Maverick, I made sure I speced it out with the trim level that would include the pad on the door. I’ve always thought it was a great idea. Nissan used to do it in the 90’s, my daughters first car was a 93 Maxima that had the feature.
@Newcious Shut up
Thank you for tearing it apart for all the right reasons 🙏
I look forward to the Electric Magic Mike years of Hoovies Garage. He seems to have a fine personality.
For Ferraris,Lambos and these kind of cars Mike is the better mechanic anyway Wizard just pretend for the show that he knows all about them
@@ulflei wizard used to work on them before he had any other mechanics
@@esingh7933 He had a small shop and worked mostly on "bread and butter" cars a lot on trucks
@@ulflei he messed up at Tesla and messed up hoovies Mercedes supercar. I don't think he's that good.
@@alexklein455 Not to forget the butcher job on the Lamborghini drilling a hole in the transmission tunnel
Towing cuts your distance between charging in half, so you'll need to recharge every 100 miles or so. Sorta puts a crimp on pulling a trailer.
I can't believe how wide open it is around the front of the battery. Just imagine driving through a wet slushy snowstorm and then it turns to sub zero temperatures. This thing will be a block of ice down there. That's insane!!!
Jesus i didnt even think about that. Without some kind of external heating system i think ur right.. itll all collect up in there
No more than any other car
@@tony_25or6to4 You don't math well
First I was surprised when they show lack of protection under the hood - wheel arcs literally open into the area formerly known as engine bay. Then I got shocked when I see all these high voltage connectors underneath.. Exposed to dirt and elements. This is indeed insane.
It can go thru deeper water than most regular fossil vehicles. Everything will be totally sealed off on wiring, sensors, battery , motors and all. You will not find that on a Fossil car.
The number pad is great for beach trips. I love that Ford keeps it around.
lost my "key" to my Tesla at the beach... Called my daughter 3hrs and one state away , she unlocked my car. The 80s want their key pad back it was dated in the 90s.
@@icedout2322what if you'd locked your phone in the car?
This is a huge improvement over the Mach-E's jumble of cooling and heating hoses and connectors......I am impressed.
I died when wizard ate his water. 😂 Even if it was planned, it's pretty funny that this brand spanking new truck just got its first spill.
5:20 separate jump point is safer, charging the battery can cause it to emit hydrogen gas, with the jump lead on the battery you can ignite that gas with the spark from connecting and disconecting.
Aaah, that makes sense! Thanks for the clarification.
On the other hand, can't you just use any metalic part of the car to connect the negative achieving the same exact effect?
@@misham6547 That is a very good point, but I remember trying that on an ICE car and there was nowhere that would make a good connection that I could clamp with the jump leads. Everything was either shielded or too deep.
Why do we still use grandpa's lead-acid batteries when a small four-cell lithium pack would be lighter & last at least 10 years longer with the right choice of lithium "chemistry"? Still far too many ICE experts designing EVs, & doing a poor job of it...
The Bolt EV is similar in how the AC works, doing double duty for cooling the cabin as well as all the mechanical/battery. There are 3 coolant loops in the Bolt. Battery, electronics, and cabin. Not sure yet if the F150 lightning has more loops.
5:22
I would imagine the jump port under the fender cover is so that you don't have to remove the contents of the frunk to access the battery terminal from inside if you have a lot of stuff in there.
In case you need to jump your ev?
@@herranton Probably in case you need to jump someone with an ICE vehicle.
Yup, I have a 2012 volt and it has the battery in the rear hatch under a panel that covers a liner. It's not a big deal to get to it, but GM luckily put jump points under the hood to make things easier when you need it.
Especially if you've stored multiple bodies in the frunk (which you could do because it's so big - lol!)
@@jfan4reva Except you still have to open the frunk to gain access to the covers concealing the jumping ports.
“I’m a Ford 5.4. Watch me drop a cam phaser.” 😂😂😂😂 I just swallowed my gum!!!
I didn't get it
@@harrybarnes3539 The 5.4 3 valve is notorious for cam phaser failures.
@@6jefes948 ty
I loved this deep dive into an electric vehicle. Also, I'm damn happy Magic Mike got out of working from Tesla and started working for the Car Wizard, he seems to be a very hard worker and I like seeing him featured!
I wonder what the under side of that thing will look like after a couple of years in a salt environment.
Like any other truck.
The wiring will have an issue.
Pretty sure this truck was rushed through the design process in order to "add momentum" to the push for EV's from major auto manufacters. In reality it isn't close to good technology, yet. The range is 2/3 of what you'd expect in less than optimum conditions and less if you are towing. My guess is that lightnings will be collecters items in the future, mainly for the uniqueness of the vehicle and not because it was ultimately a successful pickup truck design.
Like a double A battery you left in a drawer for 10 years...
Also that battery is not segmented so when it fails.. WHEN, not IF... its going to be a fortune to replace.
Just a thought after working on my 2021 Sienna hybrid, it also has dual AC systems. Because their electric and they're not driven off the motor, if you have a front and a rear system, you can run them independently for more efficient operating. As far as the jump port for the 12 volt system, the 12 volt system likely drives the main contactors for the battery, so if the 12 volt system dies the battery will not turn on and the truck won't work. After working on my sienna hybrid a lot of these systems can be completely re-engineered to be a lot more efficient and more compact when you eliminate the need for a belt drive system. Electric coolant pumps are a great example. You can put them anywhere in the system with an electronic thermostat, if you even meet one, and as long as you can get power to it it will work. Much the same though, is the suspension. Many of the Driveline components and suspension components are exactly the same that you would find elsewhere in other trucks and cars.
@Newcious Shut up
Sounds like garbage to me
Efficient at what cost? highly complex systems are prone to failure which negates any gain in "efficiency". Take the coolant lines: every bend reduces efficiency so you'll need a larger pump to push the coolant through. It is far more efficient to make 1 larger pump that will last 20 years than a smaller pump that will need replacing every 5 years.
Efficiency can be summed up using plastic grocery bags: OH get a re-useable bag, it's so much greener! NO it is NOT. It takes as much plastic to make ONE re-useable bag as it does to make about 100 regular. It is far "greener" to re-use the regular bags. Not to mention once you use it as a grocery bag, you then use it as a kitchen garbage bag. Now that stores are stopping their use, I have to go out and BUY plastic bags to use in the kitchen. Tell me that's more efficient: use a bag twice, or once?
@@muskokamike127 are they more complex? I doubt it. It's just tubes and routing. As far as the argument of a larger pump lasting longer, that is not always true. We have been running small electric AC compressors for many years, all your window AC units have small electric compressors. The technology is well known and understood, and is much more reliable than a belt driven variable speed compressor. This way you aren't varying the speed of the compressor, you are simply cycling it on and off as necessary.
@@muskokamike127 EV coolant pumps need to pump a small fraction of the coolant combustion engine cars require, so that claim makes non sense at all...
This was one of the best F150 lightning videos i saw.. really shows what I was looking to see in a review, Good Job!
The number pad on the door is really freaking awesome. If it were on anything but a Ford, you would love it also.
Its so nice to be able to go on a hike and leave the keys locked in the vehicle.
I found it hilarious that from the 4th minute to the 9th minute was just like me working on my 20 year old Buick. "Well, there's some bolts. What do you think that does?" Yep, that's me spot on!
What an incredible honor to be fired by Elon Musk himself lol
That tailgate and electrical stuff buried in the box will sure work great when it’s buried in ice and snow and slush
What I like about EV’s is that they cost half as much to produce but twice as much to buy.
And you can't drive as far and you have to wait forever to charge it.
Everyones saying "it's going that way whether we like it or not"
Well, I guess I'm committing suicide because I'm done. I'd rather not be in this shithole of a disaster no one wants but everyone accepts like the bunch of low IQ individuals they truely are
💯
But don't forget the added benefit of battery replacement and disposal, shortened ranges when using the A/C, towing, fully loaded...
Yes if you’re Elon
@@asherdie ...Tesla batteries after 10 years are still going strong with less than 10% range loss, & we can expect future batteries to do even better. Automotive lithium batteries will all be recycled - doing so is far cheaper than mining & refining the materials from scratch. Range loss when towing, etc is inevitable. These losses apply to ICE vehicles as well, but few of us notice because gasoline engines are so inefficient by comparison to electric drives.
Having worked on liquid cooled VFDs that are stationary I cannot imagine the nightmare when these start to leak
We have a few Toshiba T300MVi 1250HP VFDs on our property and the drive rooms have 6 wall pack 5 ton A/C's per two units o we don't have to deal with water.
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I can imagine the nightmare. It's called, "being a slave to a dealership & manufacturer for the rest of your life". Fun. But yes, EV's are less maintenance....
I'd rather rebuild my engine once every 2 months than deal with that monstrosity.
@@RothBeyondTheGrave These EV's are disposable the battery likely goes bad around the same time the coolant parts start to leak. Not going to see many 15 or 20 year old EV trucks using LiOn batteries...they warranty the batteries for 8 years so it is safe to assume at around 10-12 years just dig a hole and throw dirt on it.
@@shaunbava1801 More like those batteries will be repurposed after they reach the end of their useful life in the vehicle into electric grid storage for green energy (no sun at night and the wind doesn't always blow). At minimum the metal content is worth recycling, and those industries are gearing up for the new EV market as well.
Watching this has me torn between my natural inclination to tear stuff apart to see how it works and crippling fear of modern technology and the rise of the machines. Still a great video, and much more interesting than most F150 lightning videos out right now. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
They just look so cheap. They will be throw aways like everything else in this country.
The issue with electric vehicles is that they are disposable. I can drive a diesel truck 400k+ miles over 30+ years and it'll still go strong with very minimal repairs. If any current evs are on the road 10 years from now without many 10s of thousands being spent on them I'd be surprised.
Apparently while pulling the max amount with this truck, it will give you just a 40 mile range. 40 miles. That's it. ( standard F150, not the Platinum version with extra battery. )
That's a great range for towing. You would barely get out of town with another 300 miles to go to your destination. Makes one wonder about transport trucks towing heavy loads through high mountain passes. Sounds like a great idea.
@@paulr7547 evs are great vehicles to keep you inside cities
@@dregsta yes And During pretty much ANY natural disaster or WROL situation MANY dead and STRANDED people
@@dregsta that's what the Globalists are pushing for they want everyone confined.
There's a video on TH-cam called The Line.
Look it up and see what they have planned for the world.
@@mjolnirswrath23 If that were to happen, simple! Just whip out your gasoline-powered generator and power your car that way. /sarcasm
I'm a big fan of that keyless entry pad. It works in the rain snow and ice unlike the newer style
It also allows you to open the Frunk and trigger other locks.
I can confirm that. Had the newer touch style on a 2020 Ford Explorer. It was a nightmare as it had a mind of its own when it decided to wake up. I had to beat on it for like 10 minutes once to get back into my car, which I locked with the keys inside since I didn't want to carry them with me.
It worked from poorly to not at all...
I have the newer touch kind on my 13 Taurus and it never ever works on the first try. It’s still very handy though. Glad they went back to the older one!
@@KylesVideos I never figured out how to wake it up. I tried fingers, palm, hand, touching in different areas on the door frame, etc. I just had to keep trying different ways until it finally woke up each time. The old style definitely works better...
Electric vehicles really do have some zip. I took an Uber last week and the guy showed up in a Tesla Model X. He demonstrated the 0 to 45 acceleration. I was plastered to the seatback like one of those pictures of astronauts training in a centrifuge. It's pretty darn cool.
Electric motors have great low-end torque so acceleration can be very good even on a very overweight (battery-laden) old car converted to electric.
Strange thing is why people are so fascinated with fast acceleration? What about 0-60 in 0.00001 sec? What a thrill ride as your flesh rips from your bones! I am perfectly happy with acceleration that allows me to merge into highway. That's it.
@@springer-qb4dv because most of us on this channel are car guys and great performance is part of the experience silly.
@@springer-qb4dv depends on how fast the highway is going ...
I have a radio to wire up… Where can I route the wire from the cabin to the accessory battery???
Imagine the bottom of that truck in about 5 years in the rust belt 😉
What a great point Jason. Remember; everything is nice when it's new.
How well will the bottom of the exposed batteries hold up or the exposed electric motors are major concerns of mine.
@@jasoncrandall73 being an auto mechanic for 50 years I agree with you
@@jasoncrandall73 yeah I mean you can get 20 years out of a frame in the rust belt it's the thin body panels that get speed holes. That skid plate should last till the battery is junk and the truck is a mechanical write off. I don't like that all that fancy shit under the frunk and under the skid plate that is going to get salt in it.
Won't last 5 years
always had respect for wizard, but I've got even more as he can have a deep skill set but acknowledge that when something new comes around he can adapt and learn.
There is numerous points of failure on the F150 Lightning either from parts dying and/or road damage from flying stones and crap. Instant torque=AWESOME
Cut the range in half if you're towing anything, and knock off another 30% in cold weather. Then cut a few percentage points each year as batteries age.
You hit the nail on the head: it needs more range. If it can't match the range of a conventional gas version, people won't buy it and will complain about it. Great content!
Why are you guys in such a hurry?
“I’m a Ford 5.4, watch me drop a cam phaser!” 😂😂😂
The tailgate step seems silly UNTIL the first time you use it… then it’s amazing! (It’s an option on the gas trucks too.)
I have the old step bumper and I love that. they blended the steps in with the design of the truck.
Hoovie nailed it tho on us boomers with bad knees. My neighbour's wife gets a kick out of watching me get in and out of the bed of my pickup. I've learned to just grab my 3' step ladder now "awww that's no fun" lol.
People can't be that lazy that they can't lift up their tail gate by hand. When the motor fails, does it make it harder to do it manually?
Had it on my 2012 FX2. Was cool. Wouldn't specifically select it on a build sheet, though. I liked GM's built in bumper step. No moving parts to fail until the bumper rusts through
I wish my Ranger had the step. My Silverado had the bumper steps which was awesome. Getting up into the bed of the Ranger isn't as easy as it used to be and I'm only in my 30s.
To quote Dr Jones, "It's not years, it's the mileage."
Very cool guys! Thanks for the tour! I'm an old guy, this isn't my cuppa tea. But it is interesting to see where it's all gonna go!
Definatly non fixable.,"You need a complete unit, if we can get one". If it breaks have it stolen and set on fire.
It's going to seriously interesting how those batteries hold up in crashes...
Boom roast the occupants
Steven Umphlett Likely as well as a full gasoline tank.
@@wysetech2000 not quite, lithium ion batteries are far less stable in terms of spontaneous combustion with heat cycling than petroleum/diesel.
@@wysetech2000 you have seen what happens when a phone battery is pierced it starts to spew toxic gas as it gets hotter than it will explode
Just think if one of these get hit by a train and what kind of fireball it could be?
I need more Hoovie in my life, I miss the old upload schedule !
you can thank TH-cam for that, many content creators are putting more effort it elsewhere due to dropping revenues
The high voltage harnesses exposed to road salt doesn't really sound like a solid plan to me. Hope they seal everything well and protect from rubbing through the insulation. Sounds like a truck you buy new and punt when the warranty is gone
Not sure how it is on the Ford but Tesla puts all of their important HV cables through thick metal conduit
like you would with any gas powered vehicle.
@@1905934 usually gas powered vehicles do not have enough current to kill someone
@Tron Jockey how much does a battery replacement cost? (I guess that is rhetorical as replacement batteries are prob not available yet but likely North of $20K) If it is more than the vehicle is worth with a new battery in it then its not worth it and most will get scrapped.
@@juliogonzo2718 amazing i am still alive.. so this current is going to leap out of the wire .. past all the grounding body and kill you.. Most likely the only way you would be killed is if you are doing something stupid. and for this reason alone we need more electric vehicles. My guess you should stay away from electic vehicles.
as I commented to an earlier post it does have few exposed areas that if I bought these would need to address before any daily driving or winter months but it's still a kool truck and if they ever make one that can hold around 350 actual winter miles on a charge then yes I'd consider it ... specially 2dr one to make me remember my old lightning
Hoovie, this was fascinating seeing a different powertrain on the lift. Keep doing these with any future electric cars!
Fancy seeing you here asimo
@@androidcow1234 ikr
I know this "show" isn't scripted but I love when they plan stuff out in advance, I burst out laughing when Wizard starts drinking water right as Hoovie is taking a turn slowly, I saw it coming a mile away but it was even better than I thought it would be.
I didn't know this was a show...LOL
Those are the bits I like the least. We don't need the fake stuff.
@@FrietjeOorlog I love how you 2 think these are actors in a TV show... LOL
HOOVIE Fuchs
@@VL1975 its a little scripted.
Imagine repair expenses on that! What if the battery fails for example. Don’t know about the lightning but I heard the Tesla costs $20,000 to replace the battery. And what about when the day comes to put the truck “out to pasture”? Because of those rechargeable lithium batteries they would be considered hazmat right? So there would have to be specialized disposal methods for them. Thank god I live in a state where the wokies aren’t in control and pushing their “eco” agenda. I’ll happily keep my gas burner. Also, imagine taking a family vacation in an EV. Can’t just go anywhere you want… you have to plan your stops around where there is a nearby charging station.
We are not eliminating emissions we are exporting them to other countries. When these batteries are no longer good we will send them to another country where they will be buried & forgotten till they become an environmental issue.
Most batteries are 2/3 the cost or more of the vehicle
Most of the batteries are recycled not thrown away. After 108K miles my batteries are still going well.
I love how ford put that ruler on the tailgate even though the one guy that will ever use that will probably never buy something he cant work on himself or bring to the local small town machinic to have fixed.
Don't worry, Wizard...you'll have PLENTY of crappy cars to work on that we'll continue to bring you! 🙂
Yes. In 2035 it will be almost impossible to get a new gas car. So for a while the mechanic industry will increase as people try to keep their old cars running.
@@ecospider5 Don't buy that nonsense. The math does not work on EV's. Oil is a LOT cheaper to produce! Look at how much it was when Trump was in office. No way anyone can justify a car that even our electrical grid can't support!
I can say this much about the truck in the video. That truck must have 10 thousand miles worth of wiring. Good luck if there are electrical problems, and oh yea, good luck charging that thing when the grids are overwhelmed.
You know the funny thing is that the base part of the EV stuff is actually quite simple: a battery, a controller, and motor. It's all the fancy crap around it, things ICE cars already have, that make it more complex.
Don't believe me? Go watch some stuff on EV swaps, there's a reason it's so simple to drop some of these motors into random cars. The mounting of the batteries and the machining to make it mount is the harder part.
It's sad that you can't buy a really, really simple vehicle without all the complicated stuff that ages quickly.
I drive a 2011 Defender which didn't come with a radio out of the factory, but as a result it means I can fit whatever I like and keep it updated.
id love one of these without the frills, no power hood/tailgate, tailgate step, cameras etc
@@ravenof1985 Yes, an EV built out of a recycled 1980's or 1990's lightweight basic car with manual everything, and which has already long outlived it's carbon deficit, is the ideal electric car which is actually beneficial to the environment. Not these newly manufactured overly complex mechanical liabilities on wheels.
If EV's were truly about efficiency and not simply acting as a marketing tool to try and part ICE drivers with their money via spectacle, those would be the kind of vehicles we'd be seeing. Basic, basic, basic, and lightweight as possible. As soon as we start seeing basic mass manufactured electric vehicles like that, that is when we know the EV is actually produced for environmental reasons and not as status symbols or marketing schemes.
@@K31TH3R #faqs you hit the nail on the head. The only practical advantage of EV is instant torque on take off. Otherwise, just technical spectacle that you can get in any ICE car for alot less even. And they don't help the environment either, or consider that we are decades if not a century away from a grid that can handle electric personal transportation. I have little faith in that becoming a reality mainly thanks to the utter incompetency of the government. Frankly nearly every societal ill and problem is directly related to government meddling as it is. I have no idea why people think the Gov will solve "environmental" issues.
@@tomcardale5596 it's a fancy golf cart. I'll take a regular one.
I'm telling you, I'd break that fancy charging thing almost immediately lol, the first load of firewood its gone. Hopefully they have that inside a metal box. I do like the front trunk where the motor used to be. That's a handy place to store tools and would be a better place for the plugs that are in the bed. All in all evs won't currently work for my application I live in rural areas but I am excited for the future, as we perfect the technology they may become useful.
I was going to say the plugs in the bed would be great for plugging in your power tools but everyone is now using cordless tools so I don't see a value .
That's precisely it. Unless you're an enthusiast (for the truck), or only need it for a daily commute, EV's won't be practical. However, they do fill a considerable need for millions of people. The rest, well, as you said... once they perfect the technology, ICE vehicles will mostly be a novelty. Or, only useful in places where electricity is just not feasible. But that's likely 15-20 years away.
The number pad is still an amazing feature. Can't lock your keys in.
I always liked the number pad.
I use it all the time. Often lock the truck with it after shutting the door.
Those Control Arms in the Rear are BEEFY!!! But this new Tech coming out. It puts us older guys who LOVE and Hate working on Cars. This... I'm with Wizard.. I won't even touch a EV in repairs.
There's honestly not much you CAN even repair on them. Motors are going to probably be a "replace as a unit" type of thing. The equivalent to engine out stuff is going to be battery replacements. They aren't maintenance free, but there's a lot less of it. Coolant leaks are probably going to be the biggest thing, especially with that rat's nest of small hoses this thing is using.
450 volt lines running everywhere? That shit will kill you dead in a m/s......even they have 240 volt lines running as well.
Honestly, there's not much to be repaired on them. If a motor fails it gets replaced. If the battery pack fails it gets replaced. The rest of it (suspension, brakes) is just normal car parts though like every other car.
@@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342 that battery replacement is the kicker. Imagine buying a 10 yr old used whatever for $15k, knowing you actually bought a $30k used whatever. And you'll never be able to swap the batteries yourself.
Meanwhile, literal inbreds are swapping old truck motors in their barns with basic hand tools.
The future is "dealership only". Hopefully they'll at least sell us suspension & brake components.
I could see hoses being denied sale due to the risk of fire if/when someone were to spill coolant & any of the various high voltage components that are seemingly everywhere.
I’d like to see how this would last after a couple of good salty Maine winters
Last. You be luck to get it to power up after a winter night. No boost to help ya there either
It's beyond astonishing that you can SEE all those electrical connectors from underneath the truck. If you can see them, the snow and salt can sure get to them. They might be OK in California and New Mexico but I'd give it one winter here in the UK! I suppose the thinking is that it's a truck and any protective shield would just get smashed?
alottt of plastic connectors. one breaks and your SOL.
This thing would die even faster in Canaderp
Don't worry those kind of conditions are only detrimental to wiring.....whoops.
I’m buying one as soon as my 2 stroke SAAB can no longer be rebuilt. Love that car.
Waiting for someone to swap a 5.4 into a Lightning lol
Sounds like a rich rebuild idea
My work is getting hybrid ford escapes shortly, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do, supposedly they have a 30 mile full electric range, my boss test drove it for about 25 miles and averaged 150 mpg.
... The better way to go, i think!! We will NEVER be finished with fossil fuel!!! Actually the best situation is:::: ICE, DIESEL, PHEV,EV••••• LET THE CUSTOMER DECIDE. WE CAN HAVE ALL THREE UNTIL ONE ISN'T PURCHASED ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN IT!!! Not forcing EV's like Joe Biden is doing! That to me is like A DICTATORSHIP!!! AND IT JUST DON'T FLY!!!!!
Great video!!!
Wizard, please do not retire. We need someone like you to uncover the truth about EV’s. Everyone else is full of crap.
Listening to you and Hoovie talk is refreshing. What Wizard said is absolutely correct.
Once we have a 400 to 500 mile range and the car charges in 20 minutes. Nobody will want a gas car!!! You are exactly right Wizard!!!
Let’s also not forget, we have ultra super car performance and we are just getting started.
This all reminds me of the switch from tube TV’s to flat panels. At this point you cannot give away a tube Television.
That's right. He will come to appreciate lack of oil and dirt in the engine bay and on his shop floor.
We have the tech. Its called Hydrogen... but nope. Must go the crazy toxic complicated throwaway lith-ion battery route... yup. Welcome to throwaway cars that make the previous ones look like tanks.
When you say tube TV's are you referring to TV's from the 50's & 60's that had vacuum tubes instead of solid state circuitry or are you referring to TV's from the 70' thru the 90's with a picture tube, but with solid state circuitry? I've owned both.
When you say tube TV's are you referring to TV's from the 50's & 60's that had vacuum tubes instead of solid state circuitry or are you referring to TV's from the 70' thru the 90's with a picture tube, but with solid state circuitry? I've owned both.
@@lisat9707 Looks like the future of junk/salvage yards is secure.
Had one of these trucks behind me at night .. headlights are blinding . Enough with these super bright lights already