2024 Subaru BRZ tS Quick Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มี.ค. 2024
- The 2024 Subaru BRZ tS ($36,465 in the US, $38,667 in Canada) is an all-new top-tier manual trim for the BRZ, with some new performance and visual goodies. It is powered by the same 2.4L boxer 4-cylinder that makes 228 horsepower, but the tS has Brembo brakes, Hitachi dampers tuned by STI, and a smattering of exclusive badges and styling. But is it worth the price jump over the less expensive trims? And how is it to drive in the California canyons? Thomas and James are excited to find out! We hope you enjoy the episode. SUBSCRIBE!
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That's what happens when you don't use protection when parking next to a WRX. Your BRZ catches an STI.
I can't stop smiling at this
(slow clap)
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Does PPF work against STI?
Sounds like it’s time for an old vs new. Grab a sub $10k old BRZ and compare it to a $30k new BRZ!
Did a quick search of 2013-2015 sub 100k mile brzs that are within 500 miles of me (Philly)….there are 10 on Autotrader with a manual. Only 1 was near 10k (10,700)….had rear end damage a fugly new hood and looked rough. You’re looking at about 15-17k for a decent older one. Gen 2 is materially better in most ways with potentially only downside being steering feel. Well worth the 32-35k you’ll have to pay.
@@stms4411nailed it
Oh buddy the days of sub $10k BRZ/86/FRS are sadly gone. The release of the second gen has only made them more sought after.
@@user-hk9cy1cf1c What? I have both gens. If I were to sell my first gen, that car's value is only worth like $7k-$8k according to multiple sites...(not selling it btw)
Where you finding my brzs for sub ten k in Texas a high mileage 13 is 15-18k lol
Great ending.
Yeah, I can usually tell when they are wrapping up. This caught me totally off guard
Well it wasn't exactly that b
Eh, I dunno. It was kinda bnyaaaa.
Weird cut, yes! 😮
I took it as they weren’t impressed by the TS BRZed.
The engine sound at the end was phenomenal.....I'd totally pay extra to hear that.....
Funny, I was about to comment on how awful it sound while James was holding gears at about 3/4 through the video. I will admit that a guttural growl is better than a farts boat any day. It just sounded like a sad Ferrari wannabe. Not like a Ferrari. Like it was trying but ended up worse than before it tried to be what it wasn’t. Make sense?
@@andrewhigdon8346 It is the fake soundaktor which thankfully is easily unplugged.
The engine sounds is as amazing as 1999 Impreza STi 22B.
Sounds like shit 🤣
@@andrewhigdon8346 Did you just compare a Subaru to a Ferrari?? is that really what I just read?
That was literally the best ending to a youtube video I have ever seen.
Ahhh... as a BRZ owner i love to see any twins content from you both. Thank you
It’s always a treat when Throttle House gives us a new video.
It’s very easy to unplug the artificial engine noise generated (ASC) by removing a single trim panel in the passenger door jam. It would be nice if it was a setting in the head unit instead.
Agree the steering is a disappointment. There’s also a well-known issue that the power steering is overwhelmed and cuts out at higher lateral G. I experience it every lap at Sonoma and Thunderhill East even on low grip tires and stock suspension.
These Brembos are an absolutely fantastic deal. I have the AP Racing front BBK on my 2022 BRZ, but I would be perfectly happy running this Brembo set (and for cheaper than the front-only AP Endurance BBK).
An oil cooler is a pretty easy-to-add aftermarket mod, but if it came from the factory it would be very cool if they added one with active shutters. If they had a fix for the pressure drops on FA24, I would expect them to bring it to all trim levels!
^^^ This guy knows a thing or two about the ZD8s. I wonder if the difference in steering feel has to do with the front knuckle? Didn't Subaru change from aluminum to iron in the 2024s?
Personally I've been waiting for the BRZ tS since August and ordered one as soon as I could in December. The factory brake upgrade and blue interior accents with blacked out center console are worth the extra price to me.
@@jaron95 I believe only the TS is using the cast iron knuckle (but other ‘24s will use aluminum) because it allows fitting the harmonic weight with the Brembo brakes. My ’22 uses an aluminum knuckle. I think most of the steering differences between the GR86 and the BRZ are due to the EPS tuning. The BRZ is weighted heavier but for some reason the EPS seems to cut out earlier on the BRZ than the GR86, despite less assist.
All things considered, I think the TS is a great deal!
Good, that noise was annoying me
the car does have a factory oil cooler, its an oil to water cooler that was a fairly popular mod for the first gen cars. its not an amazing unit, but it helps warm the car up faster and stay cooler overall.
@@BeastMode1210 Yeah I’m referring to an air-to-oil cooler. With the factory coolant-to-oil heat exchanger, it’s to exceed 270° F on the track. Even if modern synthetic oils can tolerate that, it reduces the viscosity of the oil significantly.
Thanks guys for the update. Appreciate knowing that you are noticing the differences with the tS in terms of steering and ride changes. I'm glad I pulled the trigger on the Limited instead of waiting for the tS. BTW.... something wrong with the video.
You know you guys get better every video you make. The humor and banter is unmatched
All these TS reviews, are really making me happy lol. I ordered a base brz as I plan on if I change anything, I can do it without worrying about “well i paid for these upgrades” and all these reviews are telling me the base is better then the TS if thats what you plan. I can still change mine, as the dealer hasn’t placed the order yet (im 1st on list, and it should be placed early april 🤞) but I think ill stick with the base. Was originally going to be a 2023, now i get a 2024 with eyesight and all. Thats cool
I was in the same spot i had a 23 on order but changed it to a ts only because i got around 5 grand off because i work at a dealership
Y'all get suuuuuch a good deal on the BRZ in Canada! 👌
Still worth it in either currency, I love my BRZ.
The WRX is also only about $2k more in Canada than the US, so similar deal after factoring exchange rate. The WRX TR is only $44k CAD (though that's still expensive due to Canadians having relatively less buying power than Americans but I digress)
Loved the ending
Can't wait for the ND3 review!😍
Factory mods sometimes make sense. Rather than spending an extra $5000 on a stock BRZ, you can upgrade to similar, if not the same parts for $2600, in lieu of the standard equipment that you would have had left over and sitting around after the mods. 🏎️
Factory mods always made those cars looked very impressive.
The things is also that not everybody can (or should) mod their vehicles, especially the brakes. I'd rather these things come with proper brakes from the factory than some idiot cheap out on the brakes and hit something, all in the name of saving a buck.
I spent my limited funding building the cheapest 4x4 I could 20 years ago.
20 years later I bought a Wrangler Rubicon that comes stock with every mod I wished my 1988 Bronco had, with a warranty 😂
@@lbgstzockt8493 This edition will hold its value better than a non TS model too.
@@lbgstzockt8493The standard brakes are fine. SCCA Touring 4 requires stock brakes and the guys that race that class have no problems with just changing pads and fluid.
love the vid guys, can you do either a full review or quick review of the wrx tr? i heard that the subtle upgrades made it not a lot but noticeably better, Thanks!
I like how thomas’ f1 opinions randomly appear in these videos, they’re hilarious
If you want one
Get the 2017-2019 BRZ RS (Canada) Performance Package (USA)
That was the best daily driver / track BRZ
The dampers and brakes were amazing factory mods
I love mine
If i were to buy a subaru its either be a GC8 or this thing in this specific facelift, it looks so good and it always catches my eye from how good it looks
I have a 2023. The Cusco steering rack bushings gave the steering a bit more feel. Cusco also sells various front end braces that are supposed to help steering feel. It doesn’t feel quite as good as I *remember* my first gen BRZ felt in the steering department, but much better to start.
That fake engine noise is nauseating
The canned engine sound in this video was brutal
It can be disconnected in less than 2 minutes.
I barely notice it when driving but in videos, it's terrible
Yeah, I don't get this type of extra engine noise if the engine sound is not good by default. And that's the case with most 4 cylinders, they just don't sound good unless they are in some super aggressive race cars (i.e GT500 class, Mazda DPi, Porsche 919)
@@Willbrsethis car can actually sound decent enough i think with an aftermarket exhaust because a boxer sounds a little better than a i4 in my opinion
From the UK and 6 months into a now ended ownership of a GR86. The best cars out there under 30k ($40k) full stop the end. Some people go, well for another couple grand you could get an older cayman or whatever. No, get the 86/brz and throw that couple grand at the car in mods. because holy hell with some small tweaks; exhaust, engine tweaks. These cars become absolute hoon machines. There is a reason there is a sub 30mph traction button. You can have soooo much fun at under 30mph kicking the rear end out a T junction and so on. Fantastic machines, will absolutely miss mine.
My 20 year old son bought a new 2022 Gr86 2 years ago. Coming from his old man that has had his fair share of sports cars over the years, his GR86 is by far the best sports car you can get for the money. The looks and handling are spot on, but of course, only with a manual!
IIRC the flexible V-bar makes a noticeable difference in the steering, and kicks up the responsiveness.
Perfect Extra Throttle House ending.
I like the handbrake, the manual gearbox and the Infotainment is build in.
I literally thought the same thing about this exhaust and engine sound XD I heard one at autocross that just sounds gnarly. I think it really has potential! Great review
I was such a massive car guy for my entire (32 yo) life, like you all, but this is the first review i’ve watched in months. Affordable (new) car enthusiasm is largely extinct and it has made me resign to the fact that I need to let my passion die 😢 I’m lucky to have great public transit, but affordability and my own outlook has made it impossible for me to even maintain my E30, considering I need a garage to keep it on the road which I cannot, or likely ever, afford.
I’m having good fun with electric micro-mobility, and believe it’s a far more enjoyable way to get around a city, which is such an un-fun environment to drive. I’m bitter that I’ll never live out my motoring dreams, but my limited money going into this rather bleak future is better spent elsewhere.
RIP motoring passion.
I hear you, friend. My car was recently totaled out, and I'm so sick of people driving so dangerously in traffic, I just bought an ebike. Commute takes a bit longer, but so far, I'm happier and safer. And the money saved, I can put towards other stuff
Don’t give up!
You can get a manual first gen FRS pretty cheap. Or even a manual civic SI would be pretty fun too
Buy a motorcycle and/or get out of the city. Either or both are likely to induce happiness
Is this some kind of an attempt at a psyop? There's no chance car enthusiasm ever goes away once it gets hold of you, sure it can get expensive and sometimes it doesn't always go according to plan but a true enthusiast never throws in the towel. There's plenty of affordable non-new fun cars out there that don't rot, I really wanted an NA MX-5 but I don't have a garage and the salty UK roads in winter mean that I couldn't use it as much as I'd like, so I actually ended up going for a 986 Boxster instead. They don't rust like the MX-5s and they're more comfortable to daily and the running costs aren't bad. Don't give in, just adapt and keep driving!
The dark blue looks fantastic 😍
I know I’m late to this video. But LOVED the Russel/Lewis commentary.
They really weren’t lying when they said quick review
I appreciate what they did for the little bump in cost. If you live somewhere further away from a good shop and you don't have a ton of tools, you can pick this up and have a great vehicle without wondering how you'll modify it.
I ordered a tS after selling my MY02 AP1 S2000. The S2K was fairly heavily modified for track days, which made it kinda useless as a DD. The BRZ is going to be a DD for 95% of its life, with very occasional track play days. It will also fit my gravel bike and my wife and I can go away for weekend road trips and actually pack more than a toothbrush. Even stock, the BRZ is likely faster on the track than most drivers are good. At my local track, here in Ontario, the guys and gals with the biggest grins are those driving underpowered cars to the limit. If you want to learn how to be fast, start with a Miata or BRZ. As my old instructor said, 'First you get smooth, fast comes all by itself.'
2002 AP1 S2000 still great like this 2024 BRZ tS.
Thanks for sharing that quote from your old instructor!
Mighty Car Mods done what Subaru should of done they done a build from stock to air flow mods to a turbo kit install...they done a tune every stage to see gains at each point from stock....please show Aussies some love and view....In Australia these are massive getting people into drifting being affordable still modern in the second hand market....
I just traded my 23' brz premium last week for a 24' brz limited. I absolutely love my ride.
Good news now with synthetic engine noise being piped in through the speakers on many cars is that you can have "Thomas and James" as your engine sound.
2014 BRZ owner from new here. The TS to me is a model you get if you're not looking to mod like for people under lease plans that don't allow mods etc. I prefure the OG model for being lighter and having sharper handling and steering feel.
My own journey 2014 A/T White - Cusco 4.556 FD ratio, Aluminum drive shaft, Tein Flex Z coilovers (lowered 1.5 inches) + active damper system, Sti V-brace, Sti draw stiffener, TRD door braces, Crawford power blocks (intake runners for more low down torque), drop in performance air filter, 17x7.5" Enkei RPF1 wheels with PS5 215 rubber set to neg 2 deg camber all round, full stereo upgrade with new speakers, amp and sub along with Apple car play head unit completed with a very light sprinkle of STI bling. No body kit and no wing but with clear TOMS' brake lights. This car is a keeper for life. More than enough power and sound with stock engine and exhaust in a 1200kg package.
Exactly how I plan on keeping my Trueno Edition…….no mods at all
@@martinrps13 Same. I'm getting a tS. No mods planned for me either aside from maybe cosmetic addons like lip and rear spoiler.
Reminds me of the RX8. I had a 2005 and LOVED it.
I was checking these out at the auto show after having owned a 2013 FR-S for two years. I still like the look of the original although I hated the engine, but they've totally killed the utility in the new version. I could put the rear seats down, pop of the front tire from my road bike and just toss it in the trunk. There's barely a trunk opening now!
So glad I unhooked the engine noise on mine. For autocross I don’t need the brakes and I agree with you about the dampers. If they offered this on the base model and lightened the car a bit perhaps it would be more interesting.
My brakes on the 86 overheat from a single highway speed stop. They needed upgrade
The question that I have is, if I would want to buy a used one, and only mod I would do over time is tires (be them new PS4's or other brand), which would you recommend for daily/weekend car, no track, just city & highway/backroads? The GR86, the normal BRZ or the tS model?
Also, as a disclaimer, I like more grippy stuff rather than too tail happy. Especially since I do quite a lot of highway drive. Thanks in advance and as always, amazing review & production quality!
This is 100% my next car. It's nearly perfect all around.
Video and audio came out great. Is it just GoPro or another camera and what is the mic setup?
Thanks for another great video guys!
Thoams, saw your eyes looking up when James drove, trying to find the "oh crap" handle which doesn't exist for these cars 🤣
i kind of zoned out for work a little bit while this was on, and all i can think of is how terrible that exhaust sounds. the drone is real
Got one, love it, wanted the brakes from factory … less insurance hassles.
You can get them as automatics in Australia and the Australian trim is maroon like the Japanese model.
It would've been cool if they got a hold of the '24 GR86 trueno edition and did a video with that and James' AE86.
I agree though it's just a cheaper way to get a big break kit, depending if the dealers don't jack up the prices 😮
My other half has an Impreza. if you don't turn of the lane keep assist, the electronics are persistently but inconsistently pulling at the steering. Wonder if you guys turned that off. I would advice on any Subaru product with eye sight.
as always great job
The tS is the 1 car I want more than any other for my enthusiast driver. Have a WRB tS on order with short shifter and V bar expected in April. I do plan to keep eyesight disabled though if that’s possible. No way I would want that on an enthusiast driver, but I’ll take the insurance discount
I like these guys takes
Thomas, James, BRZ ts and the white road ;)
Which is the place where you drive this car. Is this Canyon California? Thanks.
I couldn't tell whether my internet was having a stroke or if the video just ended and I respect that
@7:20 It's so true. Maybe something to keep the oil pressure above 10 PSI in the sharp right-handers Subaru?
The gr86 is around 50-60k USD in Norway, i think ill stick to my 101hp focus mk2 for now...
Keeping as a daily driver then this option seems seems like well... A good one. Also I'm glad you can turn off the piped in engine noise. For the few cars that can't that is almost a deal breaker for me.
can someone explain the mirror steering thing they were talking about please
it's nice hearing about a car by people that are actual enthusiasts instead of car shills for dealerships.
Agree 100%. This version is only for the non-mod crowd and there are many; however that crowd doesn’t need the break kit and suspension upgrade either. Just another example of tweaking options to draw in more attention to the car and why its seems a bargain to get it all for $2,600 you are still $2,600 lighter in the wallet for something you don’t need.
You could dial in a KW V3 coilover set to be much more comfortable and smooth for daily use than the stock suspension (which is not very compliant IMHO).
Guys, opinion. The level of engine sound fed to us in this video is one of the best examples in a driving review I’ve ever seen; if not the best. MOAR!
As an owner of a very early production 2022 BRZ owner I would not trade my car for the TS. I have heard too many complaints about the "upgraded" suspension. The Brembos are just for looks really. These cars are so small and light you do not need massive brakes. Slap some better pads on a base or premium model and some good fluid and they will stop just as well as those show off brakes. And last..... Eyesight. I do not want it in my sports car. All 2024 models have it and that makes me extra glad to have the 2022.
Would love to see the basic BRZ driven back to back with this tS. IMO, the price bump feels steep to go to the tS, but that is because my '17 Limited could be had with a "Performance Pack", that was only at $ 1200 adder. That included the Brembo brakes, different (I think half an inch wider) wheels, and SACHS dampers. I'm intrigued by the power that this new gen makes, but not impressed by so many reviewers pointing out that the steering has lost something. The RTV problem doesn't help either.
Got me a 2016 BRZ and I'll be keeping it. They just haven't improved the newer models in any real way. The FA24 engine's HP/TQ bump is nice, but it comes with an oil starvation problem. And I don't like the second-gen's styling changes. If they fix the oil starvation and give us a turbocharged engine, I might reconsider.
sti is simply the tuning division of Subaru. In Japan it is really common to have those sti badges all over everything. Hell, they even make an STI brz that is not turbo'd.
Right you are. The "BRZ tS" is called "STI Sport" in Japan. Over there they understand that STI is a trim level, not a whole race car overhaul.
Well, akshually... ** fixes glasses**
I wonder if the different dampers up front resulted in reduced caster? That would worsen steering feel.
I own a 2015 BRZ Aozora Edition (tS in Japan at the time) that comes with an STI push-button start and an upgraded suspension with all of the blue stitching, leather and the alcantara. SO much for a BRZ.. but such purchase would make you think about keeping it low mileage and keeping it stock and clean as an option in the garage, maybe an exhaust and a nice set of wheels would make it more interesting. More like a car to collect because everyone modifies them. Some day someone would want a bone stock good looking little car that also has a special interior and driving experience.
Mine is one of 200s in North America (half World Rally Blues and half Whites). At the time I wanted a sport-tech but got the special edition for the same price, and till today it's as clean as it came out of the factory.
In my opinion this tS and this generation 86/BRZ in general is not as good as the first gen.
I would never sell mine because it is such a great car to drive.
Increased track capability from factory is greatly appreciated
Do they still make the brz? Don’t see them anymore
Can you do a comparison from a 2013 R56 JCW comapred to a new gen JCW 3Dr???
Great conclusion.
how hard is it to tune it for another 10% hp/5% torque increase?
I was planning on installing a big brake kit anyways so I see this as a convenience
For a second I thought Toyota and Subaru finally put a turbo on the BRZ LOL
the more we hope, the closer to manifestation
turbo kits are out for the NA version and all the ones i’ve seen have been surviving at 400-500whp
GR86 is switching to the Gr Corolla's 3 banger turbo
A turbo would put this car into a price category where the rest of the car just wouldn't stack up. Nobody is gonna pay near bmw 3 series money for an interior like this
That was the best outro
So does it hsndle as well as a GR86?
Eyesight as in adaptive cruise and lane keep assist in a manual? That'd be awesome, great for those super early monotonous drives to the track when you're still waking up.
I had an 03 Impreza TS...which was the base model....interesting how it's not the top notch?
This car looks like so so much fun to drive!
That hopping around motions are crazy😅😅😅
The flat-four is a natural and very compact fit for a supercharger! Without all the extra turbo plumbing & lag.
Great sound!!!
We didnt get the brz in my country, only the gr. But it had a starting price of €88k euros (about 94k usd and 130k cad) for the base model with no added options. It was too expensive for what it was and because it didnt sell they stopped the distribution entirely.
So, you've cancelled the order for the Emira once you drove this?
My old 98 sti coupe it the best sti ever made with the dccd centre diff controller .
Why wouldn’t they have the TS badge in the cluster / start button…. Pretty strange
Instead of a tS version, I would love a BRZ GT where they swapped in a version of the EZ 6 cylinder engine modified for a higher redline, preferably still using the direct and port injection system from the FA24, as well as their variable valve timing. That would solve the power problem for all of the people asking for a turbo without introducing turbo lag, while also dramatically improving the exhaust note. If I'm not mistaken, the EZ36 is also less of a weight increase over the FA24 than adding a turbo, intercooler, and related piping would be.
I also would love a liftback instead of a trunk so that I can fit things in it easier, but that probably won't happen until a Gen 3, if ever.
Heard the TS only got upgraded dampers up front, rear are not changed. Ran out of money or time, not sure...
So why is the T not for turbo or S for supercharger
I think what Subaru should have done for it
1. Work on brake feel: add bigger master cylinder like they did on WRX TR, might as well throw 6 piston brakes
2. Retweak the steering feel: again as they did on WRX TR but better
3. Put on STI functional accessories like lateral link set, v bar, draw stiffener, spoiler, forged wheels, short shifter, shift knob.
4. Suspension tuning as they did on tS but more efforts
5. Exhaust
6. 4.3 final drive
I think for an extra 4000 I'd pay for all of that.
Exhaust all the way! That would make it feel as if you had a different car from the regular BRZ -not just a badge and some colored brakes.
Hey, lads! I was just wondering, since you were talking about the steering in the early gen 1 BRZ being the best, does that apply to the 86 as well?
1st Gen BRZ and 86 steering are the same (which is great). Can't speak for current GR86.
The "tS" upgrade can make sense if you plan on tracking your car and don't want to go hog wild on the mods. I can personally attest that on track an intermediate driver can induce "brake fade" in under 20 minutes; even on a cool damp day. So the Brembo's are a worthy upgrade. I suppose if you're gonna do coil overs, you can always sell the stock struts with the Hitachi dampers. So the ST package can be a cost effective move. In addition, the lack of steering feel is a quizzical issue? I wonder if a combination of camber bolts and bushing upgrades can address that problem?
The sl63 amg they reviewed sitting in the background at 7:20
never knew Hitachi made dampers - but i did know they made things damp...
Hitachi and Yamaha makes like literally EVERYTHING!
@@xelaander8429 gotta love Japanese engineering lol
It's magic
Only some will get it....
nice vid
So no turbo needed? The Audi S1 is also small but with turbo and awd. Of course, pricier. But can’t Subaru add a turbo at least?
Please review a CLA 45 And something else I want to make a good decision before I buy it 🙏
1:11 is spot on. My local Toyota / Subaru dealers are on the same plot of land, drove them back to back and wanted something that felt a little more sporty and ended up with the 86.
When looking at things like an M2, M240, M4, Supra, Cayman, Corvettes, they all felt a little numb as a street car at the speeds I drive 99.9% of the time on tertiary back roads where you spend most of your time in the 45-55mph range due to how tight, twisty and limited viability.
That's a really going point to think about. I don't track at this point, but even if I do get to, I'm on twisty back roads and getting through traffic 99% of the time. That's where I need it to be its happiest.
I seriously love my 2023 BRZ limited. The only thing that would even remotely matter is the brakes