@hassyg4083 😂 whatever issue it has goes hand in hand with this type of car. Whenever there are videos of these last of a dying breed drivers cars, someone always comments on the issues regarding mechanical failure, maintenance costs etc That's how you earn your petrolhead badges cos you are willing to put up with those issues because driving it makes you happy.
That interior may not have a lot of high-end materials, but it is aesthetically pleasing in the way it’s laid out. It’s functional and elegant in its own way. There’s something to be said for good old-fashioned horizontal lines and circles.
@@markbonik Ive heard people who track it constantly have no issues and engines failing when entering on ramps with nothing but highway mileage- Im not saying its a bad car, but spending time on r/ft86 and the gr forums, you will see a lot of similar issues popping up between owners.
Those issues affected like six people and a big stink was made about it because Toyota was initially refusing to fix the cara under warranty because the cars were tracked. They've since caved and started fixing them under warranty, and Subaru never refused warranty work to begin with. The car is fine. I just reached 20k on my '22 daily and it has been nothing but fun.
9:50 also on that, UK GR86 owner here. The traction control button situation has a few cool features behind it. Simply tapping the traction control button does not turn it off, it puts you in a separate mode that keeps traction control off if you remain under 30mph. Generally used for a 'burn out' or race start, as soon as you exceed 30mph, traction control comes back on. To keep it off, like the track mode button, you need to hold it down for 3 seconds. - just a cool little feature behind it, you wouldn't be able to tell if the car is stationary.
Missed a couple massive points here. 1. Starting with 2024MY, the BRZ now gets Subaru's Eyesight system even in manual transmission cars. (This also applies to the WRX.) 2. This a new gen thing, but there's a button in the glovebox to flip between TPMS sets of you have 2 sets of wheels. 3. Also a new gen thing, but the old 2.0l had a big torque dip right at the shift point. While the 2.4l did add a bit of overall power, the biggest difference is no longer having that torque dip. Way more noticeable when driving old and new back to back. I love these new BRZs, such a wonderful car.
I just bought a 2024 GR86 MT, premium, in Neptune blue. I wanted the BRZ at first, but the GR86 had a better-looking front bumper and more playful suspension. OMG. If you're thinking about it, do it. It's a little slow, but it handles like a Porsche, and it's fast enough to be fun. I love this car more than any car I've had.
Love my ‘22 BRZ Premium. Picked it up six months back with 8k miles for $24k (traded in at the dealership I work at and bought it at cost). It’s been my daily up in New England and I’m still smitten. Was considering upgrading to a tS but this video convinced me stick with my Premium
I ordered a BRZ yesterday. I’ll get it in two weeks. I’m very excited. They gave me 18,000 dollars for my RAV4. I’ll pay 360 dollars monthly for five years. It is my first sports car and I got a manual transmission. I got this car about ten days ago. It’s beautiful! It’s also a babe magnet. If I weren’t terrified of pretty girls I’d be in business. What do you say to a pretty girl?
Just passed 2 years of ownership and hope you love it as much as I do mine. It is an amazing sports car. I stayed in front of C7 Corvette on twisty mountain road!
This is why the car exists; punches your ticket to a world that is unfortunately being regulated away (and what's left has paper clout chasers saying their turbo automatic AWD is "much faster 0-60 bro"). I love the manual transmission, RWD, coupe combination with a good power to weight ratio: it's just fun. Personally, when I see them on the road I think it's much more likely that's an interesting person than high probability NPCs in a RAV4 (no offense lol - I get it makes sense). That is quite affordable considering the warranty means you only need a maintenance budget. I don't know the depreciation curves on these but I will be absolutely shocked if it's not as good/better than everything available under $60k new. The manual transmission + super light weight is something I've never really had besides maybe a 2000 Mustang GT but your new car is leagues better handling plus that was Targa converted with easily 100 lbs. of body bracing so probably 400+ lbs. heavier (always driven naturally aspirated V8s and recently added 6-speed V10 so basically everything 3,700 lbs. minimum). Enjoy your new sports car!
I have been in the back seat of a Nissan 200SX on a 2 hour road trip, it was quite comfertable when you used both backseats to sit with the legs at the other side of the car lol :) No chance of sitting normally for a grown up man of under average height... I would thing same methods will work on all these cars that have a backseat that is way to small room for a man. They are really only 3 seaters not 4 as only kids 10 years or younger actually fit.
If you hold down the track button on the right for a couple seconds and wait for the light on the dash to stay on, and THEN you hold down the left button for a few seconds it turns off ALL of the digital nannies, lane departure warning, front impact braking. You get 4 yellow lights that stay on in the cluster now. THAT is how you have fun with these!!
As someone whose been driving a GR86, I totally agree. People complain they aren't fast, but have never driven this generation. I'm not going to say it is fast, but it's also not slow. Its acceptable for exactly what it is, but its not a car based around power. It's about handling and being a fun car to drive in the corners, and that's what these cars do very well. The perfect amount of power to accelerate off the corners, but the steering input, the brakes (even the standard brakes), the shifter and clutch feel, and throttle response work in perfect harmony to create a fun driving experience, whether it be a commute to work, or for fun on the weekends. I never find myself not smiling in that car. It's so much fun any time you drive it.
I agree. Brz owner here and people talk so much but have never driven the new gen. It’s much quicker than the original and feels more alive. For comparison it’s about as fast as the outgoing WRX STI. But again it’s not even about that. It’s just fun
That's kinda the issue with car enthusiasts sometimes: Car enthusiasts: Bro, f those 5 ton EVs and hybrids with over 800 horsepower or whatever, I'd take a lightweight manual sports car over them any day. Also car enthusiasts: lmao look at dis lil shrimp with his BRZ that doesn't even make 300 horsepower. And it doesn't have a turbo either lol.
@@CyanRooper lotus perfected the lightweight manual sports car with toyota drivetrain, it wouldnt be hard for them to at least supercharge it. Don't be a cuck just because some corporation is too cheap to do it
Well said. I sat in a brz the year they came out but didn't fit. I now drive an nc mx5 with lowered seat. Mx5 peeps may sneer but I know for sure the Subaru engine is vastly better.
For those complaining that it isn’t “affordable”, consider this: the 1990 Nissan 240SX would cost $32,000 today adjusted for inflation. So this is priced right where it should be and affordable compared to the rest of the segment. If you want a $15k car buy a Versa or Mirage. The problem isn’t that cars are too expensive, it’s that wages haven’t increased with inflation for a lot of people. Automakers can’t fix that unfortunately.
Not going to lie, I find the simple interior is refreshing, I hate most manufacturer are strapping tablets to the dashboard and remove all physical controls.
The BRZ is far from perfect, but I’m so, so glad it still exists. In a world where everyone wants massive, ridiculous SUVs it’s nice that an automaker still makes an simple,* relatively* affordable sports car. I just wish more people would actually go out and buy one.
@@thepatchface7236If we’re comparing “new” what other competition does it have besides the WRX and Civic Si? I guess you could technically say the Elantra N but these are all four door sedans. The two door sports coupe genre is kind of a dead category. Not defending them of course, I would pick a used car over this all day. But new there’s barely anything that directly competes.
There is no excuse for the low output of this car considering the price and impracticality inherent in a small car like this. I went to bat for the toyobaru twins since they were first new, but I can't see how or why someone would buy one. There are no cars worth buying anymore at the prices asked (unless your idea of a cool car is a rolling entertainment center), especially when insurance is so high.
My engine is over 100K miles and 11 years old still going strong but if I ever need anything the Price for part are also really affortable to buy for this BRZ; A full brand new Shortblock cost $1800 at any Subaru Dealership, if you ever destroy your engine after beating it to death on track when the warranty run out... Don't worry it's not like EV car that when a cell isn’t working anymore it cost more than the price of the whole car to repair and after over 10 year of use when almost every other electric car is at a scrapyard, the price for FRS/BRZ/GT-GR86 is 1/3 of a new one !!
I really wish Nissan had made a modern day 240SX competitior back when the first gen BRZ/GT86 twins came out. Imagine if Nissan and Mitsubishi collaborated to make a lightweight RWD sports car to compete with the BRZ/GR86. They could have sold it as a Nissan Silvia and as a Mitsubishi Colt Galant and maybe even offered a turbocharged variant in the form of a Nismo Silvia and Colt Galant GTO.
@@Malaphisis nah I don't believe it and even if it does come back it'll most likely be an EV. What enthusiasts want is at least one or two generations of ICE powered Silvias before an EV Silvia.
My first car was a Silvia S13 (that I paid $2000 for). Then I got a Legacy, then now I got a new BRZ. The BRZ does remind me of the Silvia. While still feeling like a Subaru. It reminds me of my dads hatch manual base model Impreza also (engine even sounds the same). The best way to describe it, it's an Impreza and a Silvia combined basically. It leans more Impreza though (granted, it even is based on an Impreza chassis, with boxer motor, and is made by Subaru), with the sports design and RWD of the Silvia.
@@uzaiyaro I clicked on this video thinking for sure the flat6 was what the TS would deliver. Kind of like what do you get from a mustang gt vs the GT500. The TS provides nothing. I hope sales are awful.
@@uzaiyaro people have done it in the 1st gen. Apparently, the gearbox and subframe mounts up no problem to the car. The only mod needed is a cutout on the gearbox for the starter motor and an aftermarket ecu.
I love the infotainment. The buttons. All of it. Being a GTI fan for the past 15 years, I'm quite sad at the mk8. The brz and gr86 have been on my radar.
I owned a 2023 BRZ for a little over a year before I sold it to move internationally but I loved it. I've also previously owned a newer perf pack Mustang GT and recently took a 718 GT4 on-track and I have to say that I'm tired of hearing people on the internet call it a slow car. It's very capable and easy to approach similar to the GT4, but with a lower skill ceiling of course. I can comfortably afford a GT4 but it's still a lot of money and I would be lying if I said I wouldn't go for the tS. The manual MKV Supra is also tempting but even though it fills the price point gap between the BRZ & GT4, I feel like it's a sacrifice in rawness compared to a Miata/86 or Cayman. Lastly, people whining about the price need to understand that this would have equated to a $29,000 car pre-Covid before inflation kicked in. Not that Subaru would have priced it their, but they're probably taking a margin hit. We as a populace are just getting poorer even though we've seen some wage growth. You want power, you better have $40k+ because this isn't the economy I bought my PP Mustang GT for $31k OTD in anymore....
The same people complaining this car is too slow and won't buy it, are also the same people complaining no one makes lightweight manual sports cars anymore. They want a 350hp 2700lb car for $25K and that is never going to exist.
@hassyg4083 That's a bit of an exaggeration, it has a well known oil starvation problem than can be mitigated for about the cost of a set of tires. The GR Cup folks solved this problem. This doesn't excuse Toyota's terrible handling of warranty claims along with the GR Corolla situation which is inexcusable. But to say the gr86 "falls apart" on track isn't true, it's very capable and there's plenty of info out there to do it safely.
This is sunch a perfect sport car, one of the Last Lighweight RWD Manual Naturally Aspirated Flat 4 engine... I'm sure some day we would look back at this little cheap priced track sport car and think why we didn't get it ? You have two real front seat and two small for childrend at the back with a pretty big trunk to put alot of stuff ! (A set of 4 track tire etc.) Go get one till you can at this price until everything will be heavy electric S.U.V/Crossover with high price tag... On a sidenote: Price for part are also really affortable to buy; A full new Shortblock cost $1800 at any Subaru Dealership, if you destroy your engine after beating it to death on track when the warranty run out. My engine is over 100K miles and 11 years old still going strong...
Cool looking car. I've owned several Subaru's in the past. The only issues I had was the dealer was always trying to rip me off on service. The car was running rough with only about 50'000 miles and they told me I needed a new engine, that I would have to pay for. Turns out it was just a clogged fuel filter, this model had 2 filters, I'd changed the one near the carb, but there was another one in the rear wheel well. a $7.00, 10 min, fix. There was a grinding noise when hitting the brakes, and I was told I needed all new wheel bearings, rotors, pads, calipers, at over $1000.00 ! Turns out it was just a buildup of, snow, ice, and sand from the road, left over night in a heat garage, pressure wash, cost to fix 0 ! The heater core was leaking, the dealer had it for 4 days, they called and said it was all done. I showed up and there were a pile of screws, brackets , clips laying everywhere, the AC unit is just hanging, the dashboard had been smashed, speedo cable was broken off. They gave me $500.00 go away money.
"Affordable" starting at 36k. Car prices are just stupid right now. I was fortunate enough to buy a new 24 Mustang GT premium, and I love it, however, it's irritating when people call if an "Affordable V8 muscle car" sure, maybe it is compared to what's available, but no it's not "Affordable" just cause its not 100k or something.
It's not that car prices are stupid, it's that income for the vast majority of Americans has been wildly outpaced by inflation while a minuscule fraction of people make billions. $100k/year is poor now in many places. 82% of Americans aren't making that. The 'poverty line' of $15k/year is a flagrant lie, and an insult.
@@JimPekarek I make around 16k or so a year working full time......half the cost of a base model of one of these...so I am stuck drivign a car only 2 years newer than me, at least my Sentra is a 5 speed manual
I own a 2023 Toyota GR86 premium as my daily and I absolutely love it. I personally think if someone is going to track a GR86 or BRZ, they should not get the premium or ts models. Instead, they should get a base model and use the money saved to modify it to be more ideal for the track. I believe you'll get a better track performing car compared to the upgrades you get with the ts model.
I dunno, this car is approaching 40k. For that kind of money I'd expect the TS trim to bring..... a little more power lol. Just a bit. Those upgraded brakes aren't doing much more than the stock ones at the slow speeds you get up to in this thing.
I'm gonna take it the only time you push your car is when the road is straight. There's nothing with that at all. Your comment about the brakes makes me think this is the case
The small “wings” on the rear wheel wells (7:19) are actually functional aerodynamic pieces. Subaru Japan sold a set that was an after purchase/instal on the original BRZ design, just a couple of small plastic parts that riveted into the wheel well and help to break up and swirl the air enough to stabilize the rear of the car. The BRZ suffers the same high speed, rear instability issues that the Audi TT and Chrysler Crossfire did, but this is a simple solution to that problem (without adding a big spoiler as the aforementioned did) as well as the “wheel protrusion” issue created by the upswept bumper corners.
All I can say is I absolutely love my GR86. 2 years of driving it and I still can't get enough. And one thing, Doug said that these cars will never turn heads, but I have to disagree. My GR86 is my fourth sports car and has been the one that has gotten the most attention BY FAR. Granted, it's mostly other car enthusiasts that notice, but if you show up to a meet as the only GR86 or new BRZ there, you will have tons of people wanting to come talk to you about it. And what's even better is every single one of those people will just have a big smile on their face from getting to see it up close. They may not be super cars, they may not be track monsters, but much like a nice Miata, there's something about these cars that just makes enthusiasts happy!
@@jwalster9412 JDM cars are right hand drive buddy. JDM means they're made to be sold in japan, and often are only allowed in the US after 25 years because of differing regulations
2024 GR86 owner here, after doing a bunch of research, I should have bought the BRZ instead. Yes the GR86 looks a lot better and firmer suspension. But from what ive heard on forums is if the engine blows Toyota will find any reason to void the warranty while Subaru is more likely to replace the engine. Also you want Subaru mechanics working on a Subaru not Toyota techs
@@grqfes I wish I could buy a new car with no technology, pure analog, no safety equipment at all...if I could, it would be 10k....but the government wants to control our lives and not let us be risky
I have the 23 limited 6mt. Super fun and fast enough. The natural 4 banger is highout put at 230hp. Probably top 5 to 10 best engine natural 4banger out there as in terms of power.
Fantastic car! Think you nailed it for me. Personally wouldn’t want to daily a tS but if you have the means for a 2nd car and looking for primarily an enthusiast driver it’s hard to beat. Cant think of anything else i’d prefer. It’s raw, mechanical, lightweight, manual, NA. That type of driving fun hard to find today. Not being an ego is also another plus. You can go out and just enjoy the driving experience without everyone staring and wanting to race you constantly.
I still love my 23 GR 86 SE manual. I can challenge cars that cost 4 times as much on a curved rd and even accelerating in 4th is better then people give it credit
The 86 and the BRZ are the greatest sports cars on sale right now. This is like a Cayman for the price of a Corolla/Civic. Literal PERFECTION. Other cars are awesome for different reasons, but to me this is the peak. Edit: Yes, I also love that Toyota and Subaru badging on the engine at 5:35 but they are so proud because unlike the Supra, this was actually co-developed by the two brands, even that very engine was co-developed, Toyota added the Direct Fuel Injection System when Subaru said it couldn't be done. And yes, I am not sure the tS variant is justified, but if you look at it as a "Performance Package" like on the GR 86 then it makes sense :) If you want that checkbox ticked you tick it :) But yeah, this is just glorious. A two car garage with this BRZ tS and the Crosstrek Wilderness you reviwed after this is peak two car garage.
Modern car makers build a classic drivers car and old school enthusiasts still complain? Great review Doug! I had a 2014 BRZ and now own a 2023 GR86. The torque at the low end makes this car so much faster and the weight to HP ratio can't be matched. Such a balanced car for spirited driving on the back roads. If you need an 8-cylinder 600hp car to prove your manhood this ain't for you. LOL
@JudeSturman Stop the cap. Those complaining aren't asking for 600WHP. 275hp or 300hp isn't unreasonable given Subaru has the powerplants on hand to provide that. You shouldn't be limited to pretending you are going fast in a "Driver's car", especially one without a convertible top.
I don't care if it doesn't have a luxurious interior, actually I like the simplicity of it. Maybe it doesn't have a spare tire but, it must have a "fix a flat kit" or something alike. The performance is good enough for me.
I really like the BRZ/GR, they look cool, they got all they need interior-wise and are perfect for what they're build for. 230hp might not be the biggest number in the world but there are possibilities to "fix" that and also the cars are lightweight so they dont necessarily need 400hp to get going. If i wouldn't have my '18 WRX STi i would totally get a blue BRZ tS just like the one in the video👍
6:42 In my opinion, that's the ideal way for a car model to evolve; every model looks similar enough to the old while also being entirely new. By the time you've gone though a few generations, the original naturally would look pretty different. The Porsche 911 and Ford Mustang both have demonstrated this well.
I'm really happy with my 2023 BRZ. I was torn between waiting for the tS but I didn't want subaru to use eyesight to sell my data to my insurance company
I would much rather drive the BRZ tS or the GR86 than the Mk.V Supra. Because they’re the real deal. The collaboration between Subaru and Toyota is not kept secret by the manufacturers at all and it’s not a bastardization of a car from 30 years ago that’s become a JDM legend. And by now most car enthusiasts know that Toyota owns 8.4% of Subaru.
Doug is the type of guy to buy both the BRZ Ts and the GR86, because he cannot resist, as he promised he wouldn’t purchase any more cars. However he sells them up on cars and bids the next day.
@@GordonFreeman307 a number of people have done this over the years. It really depends why you have the car and what you want to use it for. A WRX is a sporty sedan (or wagon). A BRZ is a sports car. If you want the handling of a sports car, BRZ. If you want a fun sedan, WRX.
Nah purely an upgrade all around, the WRX was fun but I way overmodded it to the point I couldn't reasonably drive it on the street (was also WAY TOO LOUD) The BRZ handles much better and is far more fun to drive around day to day. Idk why so many of you are obsessed with HP, the WRX had 100 more than this all said and done and it was way more than I needed to be able to enjoy the car
I think you're wrong about the traction control buttons. The "off/track" mode button partially relaxes the systems to the extent that subaru thinks you'll do the best on the track. You have to hold the "off" button in order to fully disable the traction control systems.
I like this car! It’s one of the (currently) last fairly small, fairly analog, fairly sporty and fairly inexpensive cars for enthusiasts, you can get. Cheers
I am smitten with my 2023 BRZ :) Even more so with the supercharger nestled on top of the engine! 300rwhp adds plenty of spice to an already great recipe.
The Honda Legend had a legendary quirk. A calculator that was almost impossible to use. The GPS also tied into the air conditioning system. Why? Because that way, the car knew where the sun was and would increase fan speed on that side of the car. Doug should really review one of these, they’re full of quirks and features.
@Craycrayallday what I mean is that they need to add a bit more power to the tS over the regular BRZ, like other car brands do. It wouldn’t be bad if the tS had 250hp over the regular BRZ's 228hp.
Exactly. The base Camry had 203 HP but could go up to 301 HP. The GR Corolla has a huge HP jump over a regular Corolla but the BRZ in general goes from 205 to 228 and that's it. You can't get into the 250s or 275 or even 300 club range like Hyundai ?
Starting at $36K, STi badges, still no turbo from factory, but worse yet-not even a decent power bump out of the NA boxer?!? I’m sorry, but 28 more HP since 2013 is not enough IMO for a car that used to start at $25.5K… Otherwise, seems like a great enthusiast starter platform. However, I feel like an ND Miata outshines the BRZ in cost and lightness. In a car like this, I’d rather be over 450 lb lighter than have 47 more HP. 👍
@@jellef4704 Touché. I guess it could be worse… Perhaps, it’s not necessarily the increased cost of the car that’s the real kick in the jimmies, rather the fact that most people’s wages have not increased accordingly. Even though it seems like they haven’t raised the MSRP of the BRZ that much, $36K seems so much more unattainable today than $25.5K did 11 years ago. Just my humble opinion/perspective.
@@SteveHarrellRally Yeah, I would say that’s a decently respectable gain then. I’m still just shocked that they didn’t throw the latest generation WRX motor in the tS. That wouldn’t take much R&D because they already have the motor, and it would make it an actual seriously respectable beginner platform IMO.
I would disagree in regards to turning necks and pointing. After a couple super basic cosmetic mods to my BRZ I get significantly more attention than my buddy with beautifully built STi!
Imagine spending $30k+ on a depreciating asset. I make a little over 100k/year and drive a 1989 F150 I paid $750 for. Put 30k miles on it so far with no repairs besides an alternator. Good old 300 I6. $30k+ for a car isn't "affordable" for most people. Just because someone CAN afford something doesn't mean they SHOULD. People have normalized $500+/month car payments and it isn't normal. Normal is negotiating financing just to pay off the car the following day. Nobody should ever borrow more than they have; especially for something that depreciates like a brick.
@@DrGandthis is extremely cheap, your clearly not with the times, my ferrari roma is 3952 a month, my mortgage is 22500 a month, and your telling me 500 bucks a month us a lot? lol
@@mikedelape6609In an earlier post you stated that your mortgage was $18,500 a month and now you state that it is $22,500 a month. Which is it? Neither. You just another internet troll pretending to be rich will living in his parents basement. Also, you continually use the word "your" in your posts in place of the correct word, "you're". Even someone with an 8th grade education would know that. You're pathetic.
@@mikedelape6609: You said in an earlier post that your mortgage was $18,500 per month now it's $22,500. If you are going to make up stuff you have to keep your story straight.
Other TH-camrs have sponsorships from some crappy vpn or websites, but not Doug. Doug is sponsored by HIMSELF
Doug is a smart guy. I bet he was a boy scout in his younger years or maybe he still is.
That is funny and true lol
@@iosushismart yes….but I have a hard time to picture @dougdemuro around a bonfire in the wilderness 😂😂😂
@@bobnovaes9363 I agree but its very easy to see Doug in a boyscout uniform 🥸
Doug da 🐐 no 🧢
Doug is the type of guy to come back from the strip club with more money than he came in with
😂😂😂😂
Nice one
Gahahaahahhaahahahahahh
He’d be pointing out quirks and features 😂
LMFAO
Doug the type of guy to call the BRZ tS the “BRZ Toyota Subaru”, then go “heh heh heh” while sticking his tongue out slightly
@@MrBubs-yu4wm you’re trying too hard with that one buddy
@@jonathangutierrez-s5mgive your dad head for one million yes or no?
@@aff3ction hmm 1 million likes or?
Corny
@@Yvaneify 1 million bucks cash
It really pisses me off that Honda isn't making cars like this.
Same. They need to make a new Prelude or S2K. Too much focus on the Civic Type R and Acura Integra.
After Mr Honda passed the company went straight to the bean counters.
they are working on a new prelude
@@Kingdom12suckswhilst it is an absolute looker, fwd and hybrid drivetrain with a CVT, it does not seem as driver focused as these
@@Kingdom12sucks Are they really!?
Subaru is the type of company to add quirks and features to an old model with the hopes that Doug will review it again.
I hope this breed of vehicle never dies. They just capture the joy of driving and handling a machine so well.
They’re really fun
Some STI's never go away.
the boxer engine failure never goes away either
@hassyg4083 😂 whatever issue it has goes hand in hand with this type of car. Whenever there are videos of these last of a dying breed drivers cars, someone always comments on the issues regarding mechanical failure, maintenance costs etc
That's how you earn your petrolhead badges cos you are willing to put up with those issues because driving it makes you happy.
@@Lemingtona-x5g.
"you can reach everything in the engine". Doug's the type of guy who has never changed sparkplugs on the boxer 4.
Hahahah ouch
Still easier than on a V6 Toyota
if only it was a subaru toyota honda. Honda for the engine. LOL
it is an easy job tho lol
I had a (DOHC) WRX swapped (SOHC) outback. That engine bay was not made for that engine. Nightmare.
That interior may not have a lot of high-end materials, but it is aesthetically pleasing in the way it’s laid out. It’s functional and elegant in its own way. There’s something to be said for good old-fashioned horizontal lines and circles.
So true!
@@TechnoToniquethe BRZ TS on the inside look similar to original BRZ '12.
100% agreed -- I wrapped my 23BRZ's a/c vents in alcantara and left the rest alone. The interior is quite nice and simple in a good way
all the car is cheaply built and so is the boxer engine that falls apart
Most of all, there is no hideous tablet glued to the dashboard.
This interior will age well.
Doug get in that back seat
We miss that man 😂
Bad knees he said
He doesn't fit in tiny back seats anymore now that his pockets are bulging with money.
@@El_Negro2003
More like bad (\/)
I bought the 2022 BRZ Premium spec. Sooo glad I did. I drive it everyday and it makes the commute to work and back so fun!
I want one really badly, just worried about the engine between the RTV overfills and 4th cylinder starvation issues
Interesting. I've had zero issues and put on like 16k miles.
@@markbonik Ive heard people who track it constantly have no issues and engines failing when entering on ramps with nothing but highway mileage- Im not saying its a bad car, but spending time on r/ft86 and the gr forums, you will see a lot of similar issues popping up between owners.
@@aquifer9480 yeah, I have not taken mine to the track.
Those issues affected like six people and a big stink was made about it because Toyota was initially refusing to fix the cara under warranty because the cars were tracked. They've since caved and started fixing them under warranty, and Subaru never refused warranty work to begin with. The car is fine. I just reached 20k on my '22 daily and it has been nothing but fun.
9:50 also on that, UK GR86 owner here. The traction control button situation has a few cool features behind it. Simply tapping the traction control button does not turn it off, it puts you in a separate mode that keeps traction control off if you remain under 30mph. Generally used for a 'burn out' or race start, as soon as you exceed 30mph, traction control comes back on. To keep it off, like the track mode button, you need to hold it down for 3 seconds. - just a cool little feature behind it, you wouldn't be able to tell if the car is stationary.
Missed a couple massive points here.
1. Starting with 2024MY, the BRZ now gets Subaru's Eyesight system even in manual transmission cars. (This also applies to the WRX.)
2. This a new gen thing, but there's a button in the glovebox to flip between TPMS sets of you have 2 sets of wheels.
3. Also a new gen thing, but the old 2.0l had a big torque dip right at the shift point. While the 2.4l did add a bit of overall power, the biggest difference is no longer having that torque dip. Way more noticeable when driving old and new back to back.
I love these new BRZs, such a wonderful car.
There is no wireless Android Auto/CarPlay. Where'd you even get that from? I literally have a dongle for it in mine.
Is BRZ TS has an auto drive option?
@@purwantiallan5089manual transmission only on the tS
yeh also gets the boxer engine failing
Also, while the hp is 228 on paper dyno results from owners suggest it's closer to 250
I just bought a 2024 GR86 MT, premium, in Neptune blue.
I wanted the BRZ at first, but the GR86 had a better-looking front bumper and more playful suspension.
OMG. If you're thinking about it, do it. It's a little slow, but it handles like a Porsche, and it's fast enough to be fun.
I love this car more than any car I've had.
Love my ‘22 BRZ Premium. Picked it up six months back with 8k miles for $24k (traded in at the dealership I work at and bought it at cost). It’s been my daily up in New England and I’m still smitten. Was considering upgrading to a tS but this video convinced me stick with my Premium
You bought it for what it should have cost new essentially
Yeah you overpaid lol
I just bought a 2024 BRZ about a month ago. So much fun. Fast "enough" for my first manual transmission car.
I ordered a BRZ yesterday. I’ll get it in two weeks. I’m very excited. They gave me 18,000 dollars for my RAV4. I’ll pay 360 dollars monthly for five years. It is my first sports car and I got a manual transmission.
I got this car about ten days ago. It’s beautiful! It’s also a babe magnet. If I weren’t terrified of pretty girls I’d be in business. What do you say to a pretty girl?
@@BrianRosson-ti4pl grats bro! Hell yea
Just passed 2 years of ownership and hope you love it as much as I do mine. It is an amazing sports car. I stayed in front of C7 Corvette on twisty mountain road!
This is why the car exists; punches your ticket to a world that is unfortunately being regulated away (and what's left has paper clout chasers saying their turbo automatic AWD is "much faster 0-60 bro"). I love the manual transmission, RWD, coupe combination with a good power to weight ratio: it's just fun. Personally, when I see them on the road I think it's much more likely that's an interesting person than high probability NPCs in a RAV4 (no offense lol - I get it makes sense).
That is quite affordable considering the warranty means you only need a maintenance budget. I don't know the depreciation curves on these but I will be absolutely shocked if it's not as good/better than everything available under $60k new. The manual transmission + super light weight is something I've never really had besides maybe a 2000 Mustang GT but your new car is leagues better handling plus that was Targa converted with easily 100 lbs. of body bracing so probably 400+ lbs. heavier (always driven naturally aspirated V8s and recently added 6-speed V10 so basically everything 3,700 lbs. minimum).
Enjoy your new sports car!
Congrats both on the car and the quick acquisition time. I waited seven months for mine. Worth the wait though
You sound like a sucker
Doug is the type of guy who refuses to get in the back seat of small cars. Those days are gone, so he has furiouly stated.
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Meanwhile Alanis happily getting in the trunk of anything and everything
I have been in the back seat of a Nissan 200SX on a 2 hour road trip, it was quite comfertable when you used both backseats to sit with the legs at the other side of the car lol :) No chance of sitting normally for a grown up man of under average height... I would thing same methods will work on all these cars that have a backseat that is way to small room for a man. They are really only 3 seaters not 4 as only kids 10 years or younger actually fit.
If you hold down the track button on the right for a couple seconds and wait for the light on the dash to stay on, and THEN you hold down the left button for a few seconds it turns off ALL of the digital nannies, lane departure warning, front impact braking. You get 4 yellow lights that stay on in the cluster now. THAT is how you have fun with these!!
As someone whose been driving a GR86, I totally agree. People complain they aren't fast, but have never driven this generation. I'm not going to say it is fast, but it's also not slow. Its acceptable for exactly what it is, but its not a car based around power. It's about handling and being a fun car to drive in the corners, and that's what these cars do very well. The perfect amount of power to accelerate off the corners, but the steering input, the brakes (even the standard brakes), the shifter and clutch feel, and throttle response work in perfect harmony to create a fun driving experience, whether it be a commute to work, or for fun on the weekends. I never find myself not smiling in that car. It's so much fun any time you drive it.
I agree. Brz owner here and people talk so much but have never driven the new gen. It’s much quicker than the original and feels more alive. For comparison it’s about as fast as the outgoing WRX STI. But again it’s not even about that. It’s just fun
That's kinda the issue with car enthusiasts sometimes:
Car enthusiasts: Bro, f those 5 ton EVs and hybrids with over 800 horsepower or whatever, I'd take a lightweight manual sports car over them any day.
Also car enthusiasts: lmao look at dis lil shrimp with his BRZ that doesn't even make 300 horsepower. And it doesn't have a turbo either lol.
@@CyanRooper lotus perfected the lightweight manual sports car with toyota drivetrain, it wouldnt be hard for them to at least supercharge it. Don't be a cuck just because some corporation is too cheap to do it
Well said. I sat in a brz the year they came out but didn't fit. I now drive an nc mx5 with lowered seat. Mx5 peeps may sneer but I know for sure the Subaru engine is vastly better.
@@CyanRooper lol seriously
For those complaining that it isn’t “affordable”, consider this: the 1990 Nissan 240SX would cost $32,000 today adjusted for inflation. So this is priced right where it should be and affordable compared to the rest of the segment. If you want a $15k car buy a Versa or Mirage. The problem isn’t that cars are too expensive, it’s that wages haven’t increased with inflation for a lot of people. Automakers can’t fix that unfortunately.
Not going to lie, I find the simple interior is refreshing, I hate most manufacturer are strapping tablets to the dashboard and remove all physical controls.
Spot on, great minds think alike
The BRZ is far from perfect, but I’m so, so glad it still exists. In a world where everyone wants massive, ridiculous SUVs it’s nice that an automaker still makes an simple,* relatively* affordable sports car. I just wish more people would actually go out and buy one.
cant afford it, i work full tiem but only make 1 bucks an hour...make like half the cost of one of these a year
It costs 36 grand to cover the cost of all the vapes that Subaru owners use.
Considering the GR86 premium averages at dealerships for $35k no brembos or any other performance upgrades this is pretty good.
@porscheguy6972 you're a sucker if you pay that much, mine was 31
The car pre-fills the cabin with vapor so it billows out when you open the doors.
Hey shut up! (Actually sucking on vape right now)
(Sucking on vape in a Subaru) hey !
it should be illegal for STI themselves to update both the WRX and BRZ without any increase in power
But, they did increase the horsepower for the BRZ?
@@yungsteaksauceakalilwasher6571 in 2022 sure, but not for the tS
@@masonvevo. they didn’t need to. Only time im wishing for more power in my 86 is when im getting dusted in a straight by a 600hp bmw
@@masonvevo. they didn’t need to. Only time im wishing for more power in my 86 is when im getting dusted in a straight by a 600hp bmw
@@Dragon228833 bro you are getting dusted by everything in the straight🤣
I guess 40k is now an affordable small sports car…🤔
Should at least be a low boost Turbo application with a modest 260hp. 40k more in Canada, serious competition in that price range.
I'd have a mid-tier VW GTI out over this in a heartbeat!
@@thepatchface7236If we’re comparing “new” what other competition does it have besides the WRX and Civic Si? I guess you could technically say the Elantra N but these are all four door sedans. The two door sports coupe genre is kind of a dead category.
Not defending them of course, I would pick a used car over this all day. But new there’s barely anything that directly competes.
There is no excuse for the low output of this car considering the price and impracticality inherent in a small car like this. I went to bat for the toyobaru twins since they were first new, but I can't see how or why someone would buy one. There are no cars worth buying anymore at the prices asked (unless your idea of a cool car is a rolling entertainment center), especially when insurance is so high.
@@Arkeo36Agreed, for the new car market you’re not getting anything cool unless you’re spending around 60k or more
Doug the type of guy to save a napkin from his wedding table as a quirk momento.
Well, they are alcantara.
I like design of interior Doug. Knobs, toggles, graphics...Looks technological and minimalistic
Ts is for Temporary Solution
No it's obviously "tiny speed"
Tuna Sniffer
@@jwalster9412 Nah, it's temporary so you can go buy a real car, like a GR Corolla.
@@Deadsphere The GR is a great car - but I feel like the BRZ has a significantly lesser chance of combusting...
Not when I search it... 😳
Love how Doug always gives the scoop on the cup holders!
He missed the ones in the doors!
@15:20 Doug, rainy days are made for this car. Nothing better that drifting around in the rain 🌧
My engine is over 100K miles and 11 years old still going strong but if I ever need anything the Price for part are also really affortable to buy for this BRZ; A full brand new Shortblock cost $1800 at any Subaru Dealership, if you ever destroy your engine after beating it to death on track when the warranty run out... Don't worry it's not like EV car that when a cell isn’t working anymore it cost more than the price of the whole car to repair and after over 10 year of use when almost every other electric car is at a scrapyard, the price for FRS/BRZ/GT-GR86 is 1/3 of a new one !!
This is the modern day 240sx, not modern day Z. It's not meant to have 300hp.
I really wish Nissan had made a modern day 240SX competitior back when the first gen BRZ/GT86 twins came out. Imagine if Nissan and Mitsubishi collaborated to make a lightweight RWD sports car to compete with the BRZ/GR86. They could have sold it as a Nissan Silvia and as a Mitsubishi Colt Galant and maybe even offered a turbocharged variant in the form of a Nismo Silvia and Colt Galant GTO.
The Sylvia is coming @@CyanRooper
@@Malaphisis nah I don't believe it and even if it does come back it'll most likely be an EV. What enthusiasts want is at least one or two generations of ICE powered Silvias before an EV Silvia.
@@CyanRooper It probably wouldn't sell. Nissan makes junk. The gr86 drives like a master piece.
My first car was a Silvia S13 (that I paid $2000 for). Then I got a Legacy, then now I got a new BRZ. The BRZ does remind me of the Silvia. While still feeling like a Subaru. It reminds me of my dads hatch manual base model Impreza also (engine even sounds the same). The best way to describe it, it's an Impreza and a Silvia combined basically. It leans more Impreza though (granted, it even is based on an Impreza chassis, with boxer motor, and is made by Subaru), with the sports design and RWD of the Silvia.
Imagine how sick one of these would be with a Subaru flat 6 in it. Those engines are so underrated.
One of the best engines ever made
@@uzaiyaro I clicked on this video thinking for sure the flat6 was what the TS would deliver. Kind of like what do you get from a mustang gt vs the GT500.
The TS provides nothing. I hope sales are awful.
@@uzaiyaro people have done it in the 1st gen. Apparently, the gearbox and subframe mounts up no problem to the car. The only mod needed is a cutout on the gearbox for the starter motor and an aftermarket ecu.
I love the infotainment. The buttons. All of it. Being a GTI fan for the past 15 years, I'm quite sad at the mk8. The brz and gr86 have been on my radar.
I owned a 2023 BRZ for a little over a year before I sold it to move internationally but I loved it. I've also previously owned a newer perf pack Mustang GT and recently took a 718 GT4 on-track and I have to say that I'm tired of hearing people on the internet call it a slow car. It's very capable and easy to approach similar to the GT4, but with a lower skill ceiling of course.
I can comfortably afford a GT4 but it's still a lot of money and I would be lying if I said I wouldn't go for the tS. The manual MKV Supra is also tempting but even though it fills the price point gap between the BRZ & GT4, I feel like it's a sacrifice in rawness compared to a Miata/86 or Cayman.
Lastly, people whining about the price need to understand that this would have equated to a $29,000 car pre-Covid before inflation kicked in. Not that Subaru would have priced it their, but they're probably taking a margin hit. We as a populace are just getting poorer even though we've seen some wage growth. You want power, you better have $40k+ because this isn't the economy I bought my PP Mustang GT for $31k OTD in anymore....
The same people complaining this car is too slow and won't buy it, are also the same people complaining no one makes lightweight manual sports cars anymore. They want a 350hp 2700lb car for $25K and that is never going to exist.
brz falls apart on track
@hassyg4083 That's a bit of an exaggeration, it has a well known oil starvation problem than can be mitigated for about the cost of a set of tires. The GR Cup folks solved this problem. This doesn't excuse Toyota's terrible handling of warranty claims along with the GR Corolla situation which is inexcusable. But to say the gr86 "falls apart" on track isn't true, it's very capable and there's plenty of info out there to do it safely.
@@brendonts those boxes engines have always had problems for decades from Subaru
I made 11 bucks an hour 10 years ago and make 12 now....I used to enjoy my life from my wages, I no longer can
This is sunch a perfect sport car, one of the Last Lighweight RWD Manual Naturally Aspirated Flat 4 engine... I'm sure some day we would look back at this little cheap priced track sport car and think why we didn't get it ? You have two real front seat and two small for childrend at the back with a pretty big trunk to put alot of stuff ! (A set of 4 track tire etc.) Go get one till you can at this price until everything will be heavy electric S.U.V/Crossover with high price tag... On a sidenote: Price for part are also really affortable to buy; A full new Shortblock cost $1800 at any Subaru Dealership, if you destroy your engine after beating it to death on track when the warranty run out. My engine is over 100K miles and 11 years old still going strong...
Cool looking car.
I've owned several Subaru's in the past.
The only issues I had was the dealer was always trying to rip me off on service.
The car was running rough with only about 50'000 miles and they told me I needed a new engine, that I would have to pay for.
Turns out it was just a clogged fuel filter, this model had 2 filters, I'd changed the one near the carb, but there was another one in the rear wheel well. a $7.00, 10 min, fix.
There was a grinding noise when hitting the brakes, and I was told I needed all new wheel bearings, rotors, pads, calipers, at over $1000.00 !
Turns out it was just a buildup of, snow, ice, and sand from the road, left over night in a heat garage, pressure wash, cost to fix 0 !
The heater core was leaking, the dealer had it for 4 days, they called and said it was all done.
I showed up and there were a pile of screws, brackets , clips laying everywhere, the AC unit is just hanging, the dashboard had been smashed, speedo cable was broken off.
They gave me $500.00 go away money.
@@josephrobichaud5198 🤣🤣
This guy's consistency is so good. Thanks Douglas
Douglas Delilah Demuro
I have a 23 GR86. I look forward to every drive! It’s a fun car and very daily-able if you don’t need 4 seats.
"Affordable" starting at 36k. Car prices are just stupid right now. I was fortunate enough to buy a new 24 Mustang GT premium, and I love it, however, it's irritating when people call if an "Affordable V8 muscle car" sure, maybe it is compared to what's available, but no it's not "Affordable" just cause its not 100k or something.
It's not that car prices are stupid, it's that income for the vast majority of Americans has been wildly outpaced by inflation while a minuscule fraction of people make billions. $100k/year is poor now in many places. 82% of Americans aren't making that. The 'poverty line' of $15k/year is a flagrant lie, and an insult.
@JimPekarek "car prices are just stupid right now" was short hand for "Government stop spending money we don't have!"
Market is crashing hard
@@4r391😂😂😂
@@JimPekarek I make around 16k or so a year working full time......half the cost of a base model of one of these...so I am stuck drivign a car only 2 years newer than me, at least my Sentra is a 5 speed manual
I own a 2023 Toyota GR86 premium as my daily and I absolutely love it. I personally think if someone is going to track a GR86 or BRZ, they should not get the premium or ts models. Instead, they should get a base model and use the money saved to modify it to be more ideal for the track. I believe you'll get a better track performing car compared to the upgrades you get with the ts model.
I dunno, this car is approaching 40k. For that kind of money I'd expect the TS trim to bring..... a little more power lol. Just a bit. Those upgraded brakes aren't doing much more than the stock ones at the slow speeds you get up to in this thing.
I'm gonna take it the only time you push your car is when the road is straight. There's nothing with that at all.
Your comment about the brakes makes me think this is the case
The small “wings” on the rear wheel wells (7:19) are actually functional aerodynamic pieces. Subaru Japan sold a set that was an after purchase/instal on the original BRZ design, just a couple of small plastic parts that riveted into the wheel well and help to break up and swirl the air enough to stabilize the rear of the car. The BRZ suffers the same high speed, rear instability issues that the Audi TT and Chrysler Crossfire did, but this is a simple solution to that problem (without adding a big spoiler as the aforementioned did) as well as the “wheel protrusion” issue created by the upswept bumper corners.
All I can say is I absolutely love my GR86. 2 years of driving it and I still can't get enough. And one thing, Doug said that these cars will never turn heads, but I have to disagree. My GR86 is my fourth sports car and has been the one that has gotten the most attention BY FAR. Granted, it's mostly other car enthusiasts that notice, but if you show up to a meet as the only GR86 or new BRZ there, you will have tons of people wanting to come talk to you about it. And what's even better is every single one of those people will just have a big smile on their face from getting to see it up close. They may not be super cars, they may not be track monsters, but much like a nice Miata, there's something about these cars that just makes enthusiasts happy!
That infotainment is a thousand times better than the giant portrait screen they put in all the other new Subarus
Doug is the type of guy who pays sponsors to not sponsor him because he sponsors himself
what a chad
Soooo happy that cars like this are still being made. Love it
Man, love this car. Gives me Initial D vibes. The BRZ and GR86 are probably the gems of JDM culture while also being budget-friendly.
*Budget friendly-ish
_deja vu_
JDM means Japanese Domestic Market, not all cars that are manufactured in Japan.
@@aaroncole616 JDM cars are made in Japan, then exported to the US (after 25 years when they are classics). That's why they are called JDM.
@@jwalster9412 JDM cars are right hand drive buddy. JDM means they're made to be sold in japan, and often are only allowed in the US after 25 years because of differing regulations
2024 GR86 owner here, after doing a bunch of research, I should have bought the BRZ instead. Yes the GR86 looks a lot better and firmer suspension. But from what ive heard on forums is if the engine blows Toyota will find any reason to void the warranty while Subaru is more likely to replace the engine. Also you want Subaru mechanics working on a Subaru not Toyota techs
Skip to 1:05 to avoid the Cars and Bids pitch.
@@TheWalterHWhite why would I do that?
Absolutely agreed Doug -- so much so I bought a 23 BRZ limited and drive it every day 🤙
Doug the type of guy who farts in a brand new car as a present for the new owner.
@@jamesmurmurzancone4532 LOL
Don't watch his RCF video (around 7:50) then...
The fart sounds like "BRZTS"
Lexus RC-F moment
I work at a hyundai dealership, they all come pre-farted in
Seeing this made me miss my 2015 totaled FRS...I now have a mustang Mach-E but the frs handled like a dream and I spent way too much modifying it
"Affordable" - Starts at $36,000. Something doesn't compute here
BuildBackBetter
do you want a new sports car to start at 10k or something
For a slow car at that
@@grqfes I wish I could buy a new car with no technology, pure analog, no safety equipment at all...if I could, it would be 10k....but the government wants to control our lives and not let us be risky
I have the 23 limited 6mt. Super fun and fast enough. The natural 4 banger is highout put at 230hp. Probably top 5 to 10 best engine natural 4banger out there as in terms of power.
Doug's the kinda guy who doesn't get into backseats anymore
The new BRZ and GR86 are phenomenal compact sports cars. I would go with the 86 only because I like the styling a bit more.
12:58 I kinda wanna see an infuriated Doug flicking away to turn the thing off 😆
Fantastic car! Think you nailed it for me. Personally wouldn’t want to daily a tS but if you have the means for a 2nd car and looking for primarily an enthusiast driver it’s hard to beat. Cant think of anything else i’d prefer. It’s raw, mechanical, lightweight, manual, NA. That type of driving fun hard to find today. Not being an ego is also another plus. You can go out and just enjoy the driving experience without everyone staring and wanting to race you constantly.
Nice. Videodrome T-Shirt! Atlanta represented!
@@paulitik7 glad I'm not the only one that peeped that
I still love my 23 GR 86 SE manual. I can challenge cars that cost 4 times as much on a curved rd and even accelerating in 4th is better then people give it credit
Looks like a car specifically designed for me
Doug's the type of guy to start every video with THIIISSS!!
Subaru BRZ, the car for the person who absolutely refuses to buy a Toyota 86
The dealer techs at the Subaru dealership actually know what they're doing 😬
Yeah cause Toyota dealers suck and can't help but markup every 86 they get, no reason to buy the exact same car from them for more money.
Or can't :( Still fantastic though
both have the same crappy boxer engine
I like the bumper more ok
The 86 and the BRZ are the greatest sports cars on sale right now.
This is like a Cayman for the price of a Corolla/Civic. Literal PERFECTION. Other cars are awesome for different reasons, but to me this is the peak.
Edit:
Yes, I also love that Toyota and Subaru badging on the engine at 5:35 but they are so proud because unlike the Supra, this was actually co-developed by the two brands, even that very engine was co-developed, Toyota added the Direct Fuel Injection System when Subaru said it couldn't be done.
And yes, I am not sure the tS variant is justified, but if you look at it as a "Performance Package" like on the GR 86 then it makes sense :) If you want that checkbox ticked you tick it :)
But yeah, this is just glorious. A two car garage with this BRZ tS and the Crosstrek Wilderness you reviwed after this is peak two car garage.
Modern car makers build a classic drivers car and old school enthusiasts still complain? Great review Doug! I had a 2014 BRZ and now own a 2023 GR86. The torque at the low end makes this car so much faster and the weight to HP ratio can't be matched. Such a balanced car for spirited driving on the back roads. If you need an 8-cylinder 600hp car to prove your manhood this ain't for you. LOL
@JudeSturman Stop the cap.
Those complaining aren't asking for 600WHP. 275hp or 300hp isn't unreasonable given Subaru has the powerplants on hand to provide that. You shouldn't be limited to pretending you are going fast in a "Driver's car", especially one without a convertible top.
@@Cakebattered So a convertible track car? Go drive one for a week then form your opinion.
Damn, Subaru didn't even have the time to clean the stain off the seat?
@@GrimmOutlook626 Doug's fart stain...
I sharted
@@GrimmOutlook626 Yeah, it was gross...and on a newish car too
I don't care if it doesn't have a luxurious interior, actually I like the simplicity of it.
Maybe it doesn't have a spare tire but, it must have a "fix a flat kit" or something alike.
The performance is good enough for me.
I really like the BRZ/GR, they look cool, they got all they need interior-wise and are perfect for what they're build for. 230hp might not be the biggest number in the world but there are possibilities to "fix" that and also the cars are lightweight so they dont necessarily need 400hp to get going. If i wouldn't have my '18 WRX STi i would totally get a blue BRZ tS just like the one in the video👍
i understand our doug is getting old but i still miss the videos with him in the iconic parking lot
Still very young😂
I have a GR86 and this upgrade is honestly so worth it. The stock brakes are just not adequate whatsoever
You're incredible, don't stop creating content!
6:42 In my opinion, that's the ideal way for a car model to evolve; every model looks similar enough to the old while also being entirely new. By the time you've gone though a few generations, the original naturally would look pretty different. The Porsche 911 and Ford Mustang both have demonstrated this well.
I'm really happy with my 2023 BRZ. I was torn between waiting for the tS but I didn't want subaru to use eyesight to sell my data to my insurance company
Doug the type of guy to review the new 2024 subaru brz ts
I could definitely see him doing that 😂
I would much rather drive the BRZ tS or the GR86 than the Mk.V Supra. Because they’re the real deal. The collaboration between Subaru and Toyota is not kept secret by the manufacturers at all and it’s not a bastardization of a car from 30 years ago that’s become a JDM legend. And by now most car enthusiasts know that Toyota owns 8.4% of Subaru.
Doug, the type of guy to call 36000 $ affordable.
Not that many cheaper new cars anymore right
what sports car is cheaper?
It is easy to say that when you are a multimillionaire like Doug.
I mean comparatively it is for a sports car.
@@silversonic99 Literally any moderately used one from 10-15 years ago
Doug is the type of guy to buy both the BRZ Ts and the GR86, because he cannot resist, as he promised he wouldn’t purchase any more cars. However he sells them up on cars and bids the next day.
I bought a tS back in June as a replacement for my WRX, absolutely in love with it and easily the best car I've owned!
You went from a good power train turbod 4wd car to a 220 hp N.A. go cart?
@@GordonFreeman307 a number of people have done this over the years. It really depends why you have the car and what you want to use it for.
A WRX is a sporty sedan (or wagon).
A BRZ is a sports car.
If you want the handling of a sports car, BRZ. If you want a fun sedan, WRX.
bro downgraded HARD
Nah purely an upgrade all around, the WRX was fun but I way overmodded it to the point I couldn't reasonably drive it on the street (was also WAY TOO LOUD)
The BRZ handles much better and is far more fun to drive around day to day.
Idk why so many of you are obsessed with HP, the WRX had 100 more than this all said and done and it was way more than I needed to be able to enjoy the car
@@coreyhipps7483 yeah this pretty much, I wanted a sports car and not an economy car trying to be sporty.
I think you're wrong about the traction control buttons. The "off/track" mode button partially relaxes the systems to the extent that subaru thinks you'll do the best on the track. You have to hold the "off" button in order to fully disable the traction control systems.
Why is the 86 so cheap now? Locally, these are the only sports cars that aren't marked up. Some are actually cheaper than MSRP.
What happened?
Lack of power has to be the main reason I’d imagine.
Because nobody wants them everybody wants crossovers and SUVs and pickup trucks
A lot of toyota dealers are MSRP only on new cars
@@kellansandoval5679I don't think that's the reason since they're never available and are usually bought before they land on US soil
It's slower than a mini van which is why no one wants one. 😂
36k for 200ish hp is still too much
I like this car!
It’s one of the (currently) last fairly small, fairly analog, fairly sporty and fairly inexpensive cars for enthusiasts, you can get.
Cheers
Doug is the type of guy who thinks Toyota and Subaru are the same company.
Well, Toyota owns part of Subaru shares, so u could call that.
I am smitten with my 2023 BRZ :) Even more so with the supercharger nestled on top of the engine! 300rwhp adds plenty of spice to an already great recipe.
needs it, nice man!
$40k for 220hp, I'm good.
The Honda Legend had a legendary quirk. A calculator that was almost impossible to use. The GPS also tied into the air conditioning system. Why? Because that way, the car knew where the sun was and would increase fan speed on that side of the car. Doug should really review one of these, they’re full of quirks and features.
I wish they'd upgrade the engine for a bit more power (please don't add a turbocharger to this) and not just suspension and brake upgrades.
But they did only a couple model years ago
@Craycrayallday what I mean is that they need to add a bit more power to the tS over the regular BRZ, like other car brands do. It wouldn’t be bad if the tS had 250hp over the regular BRZ's 228hp.
Exactly. The base Camry had 203 HP but could go up to 301 HP. The GR Corolla has a huge HP jump over a regular Corolla but the BRZ in general goes from 205 to 228 and that's it. You can't get into the 250s or 275 or even 300 club range like Hyundai ?
@@damilolaakanni I agree with you and the next guy. I feel like this special model deserves a bump in power.
5 years ago, Doug would love the STI start button, because it meant it was bespoke for that specific car. Now he makes fun of it...
Man I love his garage, that concrete finish sick so is the minimalist aesthetic
More like no finish, haha
Too bad it makes his audio sound like dogass
it's not his garage. It's Matt Farah's classic car club facility.
A blue Subaru developed by STi, and they did not put bronze wheels on it... well, I guess it is up to the tuners to correct that oversight.
Starting at $36K, STi badges, still no turbo from factory, but worse yet-not even a decent power bump out of the NA boxer?!?
I’m sorry, but 28 more HP since 2013 is not enough IMO for a car that used to start at $25.5K…
Otherwise, seems like a great enthusiast starter platform. However, I feel like an ND Miata outshines the BRZ in cost and lightness. In a car like this, I’d rather be over 450 lb lighter than have 47 more HP. 👍
According to the inflation calculator, $25.5k in 13' is $34.5 today
@@jellef4704 Touché. I guess it could be worse… Perhaps, it’s not necessarily the increased cost of the car that’s the real kick in the jimmies, rather the fact that most people’s wages have not increased accordingly. Even though it seems like they haven’t raised the MSRP of the BRZ that much, $36K seems so much more unattainable today than $25.5K did 11 years ago. Just my humble opinion/perspective.
If it helps, dyno data shows it's more like 50 more hp over the first gen.
@@SteveHarrellRally Yeah, I would say that’s a decently respectable gain then. I’m still just shocked that they didn’t throw the latest generation WRX motor in the tS. That wouldn’t take much R&D because they already have the motor, and it would make it an actual seriously respectable beginner platform IMO.
i actually love the birthday/anniversary reminders.
All aboard the Doug Train
That is a sweet lookin car man. Fully agree with your opinion on the 22 refresh!
$36K is "affordable"
Gotta love the new normal
I know. You can buy this…. or an SUV. 🚙
And the interior looks cheap
its cheap, 36k is nothing, 100k is also not much, you must not make much money
@@mikedelape6609 Thanks for sharing your opinion. No one cares
people with lots of money are disconnected from the reality of the lower percentage of people
I got a 2024 GR86 a few months ago. Turn signal operation isn't the best, but not as bad as Doug makes it out to be.
why didn't they just name it "STI". that's a better branding IMHO. The conflicting naming is lack of attention to details.
There’s no increase in power, which sti is an aspect of
Yeah, if it gets the name Sti, people are gonna expect a turbo
I would disagree in regards to turning necks and pointing. After a couple super basic cosmetic mods to my BRZ I get significantly more attention than my buddy with beautifully built STi!
Hell, I get comments on mine stock
All the broke people comenting “THIS is an affordable car?!”
there extremely broke apparently, 36k is nothing
Imagine spending $30k+ on a depreciating asset. I make a little over 100k/year and drive a 1989 F150 I paid $750 for. Put 30k miles on it so far with no repairs besides an alternator. Good old 300 I6.
$30k+ for a car isn't "affordable" for most people. Just because someone CAN afford something doesn't mean they SHOULD. People have normalized $500+/month car payments and it isn't normal. Normal is negotiating financing just to pay off the car the following day.
Nobody should ever borrow more than they have; especially for something that depreciates like a brick.
@@DrGandthis is extremely cheap, your clearly not with the times, my ferrari roma is 3952 a month, my mortgage is 22500 a month, and your telling me 500 bucks a month us a lot? lol
@@mikedelape6609In an earlier post you stated that your mortgage was $18,500 a month and now you state that it is $22,500 a month. Which is it? Neither. You just another internet troll pretending to be rich will living in his parents basement. Also, you continually use the word "your" in your posts in place of the correct word, "you're". Even someone with an 8th grade education would know that. You're pathetic.
@@mikedelape6609: You said in an earlier post that your mortgage was $18,500 per month now it's $22,500. If you are going to make up stuff you have to keep your story straight.