PlayStation VITA apps are running on the Nintendo Switch | MVG
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- vita2hos is a PlayStation Vita to Horizon OS (Nintendo Switch OS) translation layer. In this episode we break down how it all works and why its an exciting milestone for the Nintendo Switch homebrew scene.
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This all makes sense. It’s fundamentally the same idea behind how certain Android games/apps were able to come to the Vita.
Yes, kinda like x86-64 running 32 bit code, getting the Nvidia Maxwell work with PowerVR GPU stuff might be a harder step to overcome tho, dunno how far the instructions on the Vita's code are directly compatible and how much needs to be translated/emulated, I wonder if it mostly uses OpenGL and such APIs so it wouldn't be too horrible to deal with.
@@Kalvinjj Current homebrew would be an easy target since most use “VitaGL” (which abstracts the Vita’s native GXM API into an OpenGL compatible interface). But I too am curious how closely these sceGxm functions could be remapped to to doko3d functions 🧐
Now I am curious to see how well in the future the vita translation of the android version of gtasa can run on a Nintendo switch, through translation of course😀
@@miigon9117 Probably better than the “Definitive Edition” 🤣🤣
@@miigon9117 Funnily enough you can at least already run the original Android version of GTA SA through the port of Android to the Switch.
I don't know if anyone has considered it, but running the vita OS inside the switch then allows all of the emulators that can be run on the vita too. PS1, PSclassics, PSP via adrenaline, homebrew, it's a lot of possibilities. Granted, there's probably emulators on the switch to handle those already but as I don't own one but have a heavily modded vita I can appreciate being able to run all of the things I run on my vita but on a switch on the big screen.
This isn't just a development for the Switch Homebrew scene.
It's also a step closer towards bringing us better PS Vita emulation on PC
NINTENDO PLAYSTATION AGAIN!!!
Noice
The folks who already emulated PS1 games on Wii U:
@@adminribbon4648 People running PS1 on their modded PSP
@@daskampffredchen but those were running PS1 games on other Playstation hardware, not on Nintendo hardware
@@adminribbon4648 Oh. Damn. I missed the context.
Do you think it would be possible to get PS1 running on GameCube if using Translation instead of Emulation?
Very interesting. Can't wait to see what they do with this.
Vita sure keeps on living despite how quickly Sony threw it under the bus.
Vita means life, you know
@@unicodefox I know :)
It is literally being replaced though
@@Katzelle3 in no way at all
Interruttore means switch, you know?
_ba dum tss_
What an incredible job from the devs. The Switch homebrew scene is developing greatly
Nintendo lawyers: (sweating profusely)
Like fine cheese
If only they had more games its been 5 years and most big name games are from the wii u or older , the switch is going to be a beast in like 5-6 years when there's more releases and its easily cracked
@@IDHLEB they would rather have homebrew apps on Switch rather than commercial switch running on non-switch hardware
@@hardworkingsloth
Dude, the Switch has a phenomenonal library.
Of of the best lineups of exclusives any console has ever seen, SMO, BOTW 1+2, Splatoon 2/3, FE3H, Cadence, HW DE + AOC, SMTV, PokeLA, Bayo3, Xenoblade DE + 2 + 3, SM3DW+BF, Kirby FL, Advance Wars, plus the countless ports/best-versions of WiiU titles like DKTF MK8D and several 3rd parties like Dmc3, etc etc etc.
The Switch has an absolute juggernaut of games, it's not lacking in any sense in that catagory.
This is great. It basically works the same way as Wine/Proton. Translating syscalls for one kernel (Windows, Vita) into syscalls for another (Linux, HOS), plus reimplementing some OS specific standard libraries. The "no emulation" part is even in the name Wine = Wine is not an emulator. Very excited for this. Both on a technical level, as well as on the prospect of running Vita games and homebrew on my Switch :)
It seems a bit similar to what UltraHLE was doing for N64 emulation in 1999, basically just a translation layer from one OS/API to another.
@@kosmosyche Yes, but UltraHLE needed to emulate the CPU still, because x86(_64) and MIPS are very different. What is great about this is that it emulates *nothing*, while UltraHLE still had some emulation going on
@simuuz There is a huge [semantic] discussion about wheter adapting system calls or libraries from one system to another counts as emulation, particularly when very short routines in the source system become huge chuncks of code in the target ones. In a way, it can be said that you are emulating a functionality that your target system did not have natively. So chances are thiese adaptation layers still emulate *some things*, but they are a lot more atomic than a whole CPU.
@Xaphan Vassago On the other hand, translating between different shader languages is something that's already done quite often outside of what we usually call "'emulation". The shader languages provided by various graphics APIs on PC/Mac have to be compiled down to the GPU's actual ISA by the GPU driver and firmware for example. Compatibility layers between different APIs also exist like MoltenVK translating Vulkan code to Metal.
My memory of the situation on console is a bit fuzzy but I don't believe modern console SDKs expose the actual GPU ISA either - even their proprietary low level APIs remain an abstraction layer like DX12 or Vulkan, which is why for example PS4 games run natively on the PS5 despite using different GPU generations with different internal ISAs.
@Xaphan Vassago I do think this is more of an DXVK situation, where calls to the Vita specific 3D-API is translated to the Nintendo Specific 3D-API. So no emulation of any hardware, just an adapter for different APIs.
Modders are now in an arms race with Atlus to get Persona 4 Golden running on switch
I don't think Atlus is exactly racing considering how molasses slow they've been with porting most MegaTen titles.
Now that the steam deck is out you can just play it handheld on that
@@void2772
But 400 Dollars is steep and the Deck itself is not exactly pocket sized
hehe, ARMs race
@@shinto29 Someone got it
This would be far into the future, but I'm wondering how well any touchpad functionality can be implemented? It might also be fair to not get hopes up for microphone or camera functionality, so some commercial games like Tearaway might be limited.
Either way, the foundation of what's been released now is awesome to see 😁
Looking forward to a video from you on this in the future if you choose to do so. Love your content!
Probably limited. Tearaway required the back touchscreen for some sections.
@@matthewduffy1786 I don't see why the back touchpad couldn't be simulated with the touchscreen and a modifier key (like, holding down L3), but pinching (tapping front and back at the same time, like in Escape Plan) might be harder to pull off.
@@NotSoCheezyYT Remember Vita has no L2 or R2 buttons either. So maybe holding one of those keys down can input rear-touch the same area you front-touch to simulate a pinch. A boring solution though...
same as DS probably, swap screens but in this case it's swap touchscreen for touchpad input.
I hope this homebrew/project gets somewhere and not end up abandoned, cause it's very promising.
And even if it does, someone can just start a fork
and continue working on it. Because y'know, it's open source
The beauty of open source for sure
@@RadikAlice unless no one does. Case in point ps4 to pc translation layer.
@@raandomplayer8589 I mean, you can't exactly fork a project that just doesn't exist
@@RadikAlice lets see if i can find it in my history
This will preserve many PS Vita games like mgs hd and Ratchet and clank HD
back touch is needed for mgs
@@lolcat i thought gyro was needed
@@lolcat I assume some patches that make such games run on the PS TV would be used in this case, given the situation is quite similar if not the same.
Games that require more stuff like back and front camera tho would struggle more (how many of those exist tho?)
Wdym preserve
These are already preserved by being on physical media and thr internet
@@orlandofurioso7329 not for mgs but switch has gyro anyway
I love my Vita but I admit, Vita emulation is in a bad spot right now, and GPU deaths are becoming more common. So it's weird to think a better solution to preserve the games is not to make a better Vita emulator, but instead hack the games to run on a Switch emulator. Wild.
gpu death? mind explaining more? im getting a vita once i have enough funds
@@miru2583probably people who have been running overclocked vitas for most likely years having their vita's gpu die on them. I've been running mine OC'd for like 3 years by now and my gpu is going strong so i think its an edge case scenario for now
@@miru2583 don’t worry, “common” as he said it’s not true. Unless you’re really playing your Vita without stopping
@@SirinGaming ahh thank goodness. gpu dying from oc should be impossible unless its running super hot for extended period of time. i thought it was a problem specific to the vita. never had a psp since i own ds/3ds instead so this is my chance to play them. thank you for the kind explanation, everyone.
@@miru2583 Even an overclocked PS Vita doesn't hit anywhere close to target temp limits while playing some of the heaviest titles (Borderlands 2, Killzone Merc, etc.)
MVG next post, I'm sorry guys but Nintendo has shutdown my channel.
Mistakes were made.....
I'm actually surprised they Nintendo ninja's haven't come knocking on his door
So you're telling me one day we might be playing Ps1 games on a PSP on a Vita on a Switch? There's some inception to be had here.
Run it in yuzu for another layer.
@@chadmasta5 We have to go deeper 🤣
Run a music CD iso on the ps1 emulator for extra inception.
@@BasedKiliK run it on a Mac running Windows via boot camp and finally stream the output of that Mac to a vita.
I know this is a joke, but PS1 and PSP on Vita works because of hardware (MIPS) and not software. Switch doesn’t have that, so unless we’re talking PPSSPP or a PS1 emulator, you won’t be able to use Adrenaline on Switch
If this eventually plays commercial games, my question is could you run it through a switch emulator and inadvertently create a Vita emulator?
It should work as you can run homebrew on a switch emulator
On the Github page there's instructions to run on Yuzu, so yes it will run on a Switch emulator.
Might turn out to be one of the biggest steps towards Vita future preservation, when eventually the (relatively) few consoles existing start to show their age. Specially given they're modern portables in most part, Li-Ion batteries are a serious hindrance that the older Game Boy lineup was quite immune to (other than leakage of batteries that is).
@@Kalvinjj at least PSP has removable battery but yeah vita doesnt
Reminds me of how the best way to emulate some N64 games for a while was running the Wii wads on Dolphin.
@Xaphan Vassago Sure, it's sooooo pointless to extend the interested audience, or even create the possibility of forking and more developers getting into the game.
Having no more than one emulator running a console's games (heck, 60 running and 300 booting. Not even 1/3 booting yet. Both are on their infancy), you could pretty much deem it dead. The moment the dev loses interest or whatever happens, it's abandoned. Redundancy is always welcome, based on it's code or not.
One dev/team only working on it - risk of extinction. Many - survival.
Vita used an ARM processor as well, but the filsystem and firmware of the vita was very weird and confusing
The vita firmware doesn't matter with this implementation.
@@crsv7armhl Ofcourse it does - calls to it have to be translated into Switch calls.
The filesystem really is fine. You definitely only need to worry about what you will use, which when you know where everything is best put like files and plugins, is nothing.
But yeah the difficulty of this comes from the translation of code called from all sorts of places. Big deal to perfect
@@tdome3000 The vita firmware isn't loaded ON the switch. So no, you wont have overhead there.
This is a wrapper for calls.
@@crsv7armhl First you have to identify all the vita FW calls in the game executable, and with every firmware there may be different target addresses or parameters for some functions. So the FW version of the vita, needed by the game, matters.
This is awesome.
This is awesome.
Interesting. It runs much like Wine or Proton on Linux. It should be OK with speed, as translation uses to be very fast, in some cases I did run games like Warcraft 3 fastar than on Windows, for example.
WINE (WINE Is Not an Emulator) is immediately what I thought of as a comparison, a compatibility/translation layer for the APIs, but running the CPU code natively.
I wonder if someone will make something like this for running 3DS on Switch, since the 3/DS line had ARM CPUs as well. There's been some work on porting the Citra emulator to Switch, but it may get better performance not emulating the CPU.
I use Wine on MacOS
It would probably be easier to do this for a Pi or a current gen Mac, which are both ARM based.
@Xaphan Vassago Dude, really?
In Linux , Wine only translates the OS Executeables , the actual work is done by DXVK/VKD3D i.e. translating Directx to Vulkan.. So on DirectX 11 games , performance is nearly identical bcoz of less bloatware compensates for slight performance loss , and DX12 is not perfect (5% performance loss) , but it will get better in future.. Native Vulkan games (RDR2 as a clear example) perform better on Linux because Linux has less bloat and the Shaders are natively supported by Linux.. (Flightless Mango has a video on this) , so the actual challenge is optimising the shader transition code , but it can be done , especially seeing how much gaming on Linux has advanced, it does give me hope..
This is incredible! I never imagined that this was possible. The only problem I foresee is the lack of rear touch pads.
PlayStation TV time
Yea, the Vita is like emulating the Wii or WiiU with all the extra controls.
No...Switch has bumpers and triggers. Triggers would replace the touch pads. Where is the issue?
Switch has zl/zr buttons
On most games those replacements would be fine, but games like Tearaway and Uncharted: Golden Abyss might have problems.
That's my dream. Being so skilled in programming to be able to make something incredible like this. wow...
It's never too late for us, buddy.
Same here
But sony can’t do this to for the ps4/5
Not enough power
Either because of the console architecture or Sony simply just refuse to do so
Now this one is a huge surprise
I want this to progress so I can run a Vita SNES emulator running Super Game Boy!
Yea, via Retroarch on my PC, please.
Super Game Boy running on a Vita SNES emulator running on vita2hos running on yuzu emulator running on a Linux VM running on Windows
I bet the GTA Vita ports would run better on the switch than the definitive trilogy in the end.
Switch got its own GTA decompiled ports
@@durrclips746 I'm aware.
Watch out now Nintendo might bully you to remove this for using your legally owned hardware and software at your discretion.
The all-in-one device!
cough, steam deck
A device for kids
@@WookieWarriorz maybe when they improve the battery
@@mikeuk666 or when there is an PS Vita emulator for Linux
Steam deck
Thats neat. But watch it MVG Nintendo is on a dmca rampage cos someone got switch emulation to work on the steam deck.
Linus said he's doing a video about it and if Nintendo DMCAs him he'll fight over it xD
@@beardalaxy Which he would win
Because any footage of Nintendo games would fall under fair use (which he still shouldnt use anyway)
And emulation isnt illegal
@@daskampffredchen yup, that's the idea
This is right up there for me with people figuring out how to play Naomi games natively on the Dreamcast, but that was a much simpler task than this.
But isn't like Naomi use the same hardware and architecture as Dreamcast?
@@adminribbon4648 that's why I said that that was a much simpler task compared to the subject of the video.
People figuring out how to play Naomi games on the Dreamcast proper is a recent development as well because of other hardware involved with the Naomi side of things. So it's not directly exact same hardware
And Atomiswave.
I knew from the moment I saw an article about 'vita2hos', MVG is surely gonna be making a video about this. And I am very happy that he did.
The vita overclocking potential on this is gonna be interesting to see the results.
Overclocking a portable console🤔 Also the display support for Switch is only 30frames maximum. Unless it makes all games locked.30 fps. Even then, it's not gold, because 30 fps gaming is so 1990s
@@Keepskatin works wonders on vita, and switch for some games
didn't even think of that holy shit, can't wait to see this in a year or two
@@Keepskatin what are you even talking about
@@Keepskatin it runs up to 60 frames per second what are you on about?
Simple, elegant, clever and it works is the best compliment you can give a programmer
Since the renderer got reverse engineered, does this open an opportunity to system-wide FSR on the switch via homebrew?
This would be awesome to have
nope since noone published how NVN works, it would be a bad move to do so from legal standpoint. They reverse engineered NVN and made "deko3d" based on this which is not an NVN copy, but it follows similar principle.
The issues with fsr is the targeted resolutions that in the switch are all over the place not to mention the switching nature of the switch. As fsr will upscale from a processed static resolution to a new target. It means that the highest resolution posible need to be use and that by itself defeat the purpose of fsr.
In theory, this can work.
Look at Wine (Proton/Steam OS), which does the same - translates Windows calls and Direct 3D shaders to Linux calls and Vulkan.
@Xaphan Vassago You say that, but Elden Ring runs better on Linux because they slightly fucked up their DX caching on Windows. :)
@Xaphan Vassago lol. Not true at all.
@Xaphan Vassago I used to believe this was true, but benchmarks are coming out and a lot of DirectX games are getting better fps through Proton than natively on Windows
@Xaphan Vassago What's with the salt, did Torvalds steal your lunch money last week?
@Xaphan Vassago The performance loss is usually minimal, and some games actually run better with Proton wrapper.
DId anyone know what happen with the development of this?
I would imagine that this could be done with any arm CPU and any graphics library. Maybe someday we'll see an Android port of this system.
Port is just a port
wish they'd hurry up and bring out a mod for the 13.2.1 for the switch Lite.
That’s incredible that they just left the 32 bit capability intact. Like, actually astounding. Between that and the exploit that allows Switches to be hacked in the first place, the Switch seems like it was really thrown together at the last minute.
Yeah and the massive troubles at launch was very unlike Nintendo aswell
They really wanted to replace that Wii U ASAP, didn't they....
That's what happens with such experimental hardware.
Curious to see what they do to follow up. It's getting about that time is it not?
The 32 bit capability was left there so that they could port Wii U games over more easily. Mario Kart 8 DX, for example, runs in 32 bit mode.
ive seen many switch games that run in 32 bit. i dont remember the titles but a tonne of games i have show up as 32 bit in my emulators
Oh my god.
Dragons Crown and Muramasa running natively on the Switch... I seriously hope one day this happens.
So... Vita2hos is basically Proton for Vita games on the Nintendo Switch.
The vita is more similar to the switch but what about the PSP it was already "emulated" in the Vita, wasn't it easier to do PSP than vita?
The PSP is not emulated, as the Vita contains most of the PSP's hardware (except for an UMD drive), including it's main CPU core (a MIPS R4000-based core), only the Media Engine (GPU) is emulated. The hardware of the Switch lacks the MIPS core, so everything has to be emulated.
@@starwolf-3000 thankfully, PSP seems substantially easier to emulate than PS Vita.
@@starwolf-3000 Explains why there wasnt much extra work needed to Mod the PSP mode
I'm saving this video just in case Nintendo takes down your video for no reason other than to hate their consumers.
We can expect the vita emulation in android platform in one day, since both of them share the same CPU architecture, and android support opengl / vulkan render backend natively.
Any update of this?
I don't know how to communicate with the dev on this, but I had a good idea on the part about shaders, if someone could forward this to the dev itd be neat.
Catherine: Full Body, is a game released on both Vita (Japan only) and Switch.
This game uses pre-compiled shaders packed into the game's ROM files, they have filenames too, so wouldn't comparing the precompiled shaders in the ROM of both game versions help figure out the translation process?
It would probably, but that is not clean room reverse engineering, and therefore useless.
Oh boy, Xerpi is at it again? That will be absolutely epic.
Maybe the vita3k people could be CC'd in for some help? Really, really promising outlook!
I've been dying to replay Hearts R on my PC, NGL.
Fulfilling a dream I had as a kid when I put discs from one system into another and hoped it would work
It's been fulfilled if u Google emulators lol
Holy shit, MVG plays Cotton. What a Chad.
You can use the cotton game as a sega saturn emulator. I'm guessing that is how he uses it
@@someperson3116 He has the other Cotton games though.
I downloaded your video to watch later. I suspect that the big N might copyright strike it. Remember, Nintendon't like you messing with their stuff.
Can we emulate Vita on Switch?
Let's skip emulation and run it natively
wait what?
We're skipping emulation altogether.
But vita carts don't work with swi..... nevermind some bonehead will make an adapter
@@goimei plus you can dump the games from game card if you have an hacked PS Vita
@@adminribbon4648 I'll probably do that with my copy of Persona 4 Golden
That’s cool, as long as you don’t need the back touchscreen 🤣
Considering how much engineering went into wine, I would guess it will take quite a lot of effort to get to a stage where it can run most games.
That being said Windows is probably a lot more complex with lots of obscure / legacy things. It also helps that things are mostly lower level.
WINE is much bigger in scope than this project. Windows APIs are very broad, covering more than games APIs, with multiple OS versions and library versions to support. PS Vita is a much smaller focused target.
Hoping for retail games support soon
this is like wine a software that translates windows api calls to Linux or mac calls to run a lot off applications
We need this guy to work for wine.
@@MrGamelover23 we really need this guy to work on wine, somehow today is still better to run Linux apps on windows than the contrary
@@SamuelVelter Older Windows games often run better through wine than on modern Windows actually. Also this is more interesting imo.
*Switch running emul--
Nintendo: "Hold up a minute, we don't all--"
*emulation of PS Vita
Nintendo: "Fair enough."
This is absolutely wild. I never would've thought something like this would be possible.
I wonder if this could be adapted to other arm devices.
I haven't installed custom firmware for homebrew on my Switch out of fear of getting banned. If this gets better, this will probably change my mind.
I am running Android 10 on my Switch and I do freaking love that. Surprised MVG hasn't done a video on that
Atmosphere can block Nintendo servers to mitigate getting banned, but you won't be able use their services.
@@1234567890q But a full power off and power on restores it back to normal to reuse their services though. Correct?
I've been running Atmosphere on my default system NAND for like 2 years now. If you don't have any "backed up" games installed and aren't cheating online, you're totally in the clear. I've actually even modified my Animal Crossing save data and been totally fine. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate mods? No problem at all, as long as you aren't playing online with them or uploading videos onto Ultimate's video sharing section.
However, if you REALLY want to be safe, or if you're playing "backed up" games, then you can actually install a completely different Switch NAND in a partition on an SD card. You just create a copy of your system NAND through Hekate and it will set up an emulated NAND for you all running off the micro SD. You can keep that emu NAND offline and in a totally sandboxed environment while your original NAND is nice and squeaky clean and still totally usable as if it were a normal Switch. Pretty ingenious, really.
@Gomam0n it's almost certain that you didn't do something right in that case. i don't want to just place the blame on you or anything but there is literally no way you could get your console banned if the emuNAND never went online.
@@beardalaxy So sounds like i can use a separate micro SD card for this as well to help make it safer, like with the Android install. I originally did that with Android, but later got a bigger SD card and partitioned it for convenience.
I'll definitely look into it, and check the risks. My wife has a Switch too, so I could also put my account stuff 100% on her Switch and keep mine 100% off Nintendo if need be.
What about Retroarch? That on Atmosphere? If possible, I'd rather run it on that instead of Android since th TV Out on Android is kinda not on par.
Basically Wine but instead of running Windows apps on Linux you run PSVita apps on the Switch's Horizon OS
This is so cool. Does this mean that it is possible to translate Vita calls to the NVIDIA Shield and other Tegra X1 devices, or even other Android ARM devices, or ARM emulators?
Possibly I am guessing Switch is literally just a locked down Shield...
I love my shield I use it for N64 because screw nintendo and Dreamcast because that system has long since been abandoned
This is the first thing that popped in my head
That would need its own Interpreters but it should be able the same way this was
Does it mean, that some PSP games would be also natively running via vita2hos ? PS Vita had backward compatibility with some PSP games, although I'm not sure if those games were not "rewritten/recompiled" for Ps Vita arch.
This can be extended to running on any current present day ARM hardware chips like the Jetson Tegra Dev Boards or the ARM based gaming handhelds, since they run some form of linux as well. Possibly could be extended to Android phones too!!!!!
What about m1 macbook running arm through parallels??
@@AuRowe afaik macOS is not Linux it’s UNIX based though
RoweHowe
M1 processor IS an ARM processor.
I must be such an old curmudgeon. Has this video been posted a month early?
In a way I'm reminded of UltraHLE.
Yo wtf? This feels really weird....
Like we're on a different timeline or something.
Vita + Switch on Steam Deck in the future?
Seems interesting 🤔interesting to witness the following development 🤔
So this means some Switch Games are playable in the Vita
I love these videos where you talk about a subject and even dive to the source code. Keep it up.
Isn't this some kind of HLE, therefore still "Emulation"? Could somebody explain the difference to me?
Emulation is when you simulate a machine (usually a CPU) in software. This doesn't simulate any hardware; it just runs the apps directly on the Switch CPU, and when they try to call functions from the Vita OS, it provides its own versions that just defer to the equivalent function in the Switch OS.
Both are a form of translation/simulation, but in this case the application code itself doesn't need to be translated. It's simulating the Vita OS rather than the hardware.
Since the Switch has all the same hardware capabilities the Vita has, this program just needs to present the Switch hardware as if it were the Vita hardware.
Essentially, emulation is like speaking through an interpreter. In this case there's no need because they both speak the same language; it's more like a regional difference. Like an American visiting England, it's still English, but they might need a list of what's called what (elevator vs lift, pharmacy vs chemist, etc). (This example assumes each country has no idea what the other calls things, which is silly, but 🤷)
@@renakunisaki TLDR Version :
Emulation = Reproduce the Environment
Translation = Make an adapter from the current to the target system
@@renakunisaki I see... Thank you!
I'm halfway through this video and it's reminding me of what valve calls proton where it's not emulation but it translates the windows calls into Linux calls.
Nice! I wonder if by some chance if we ever see this project fully developed, we could end up running any PlayStation Vita game or application on the Switch.
Imagine playing pokemon Red on a gameboy emulator on the psp emulator on the vita emulator on the hacked switch (or on a switch emulator on a pc)
The Skyline Switch emulator on Android tries to do something very similar. It runs the CPU code natively, due to the parity of the ARMv8 architecture between the Switch and smartphones, and only emulates the GPU. Pretty cool stuff.
So basically this is like WINE but Vita -> Switch instead of Windows -> Linux
I'm massively stoked about this.
The Vita emulation scene is in quite a sorry state everywhere else, so this looks like the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm really looking forward to see how this goes.
I just want to play Muramasa Rebirth and Dungeon Travelers 2 in more convenient ways...
The 3 games I miss the most from the Vita are Ratchet & Clank Trilogy, Sly Trilogy & Metal Gear Collection & I would love to have those on Switch. An official port seems unlikely because of the licensing but it’s good to know that the Switch would likely have no problems running them.
they are not three games. I have reported you to youtube and Bill Gates.
@@OfflineSetup And my favorite states are the west coast and the southwest
Glad I just spent a few hundred on Vita hardware lol. Still glad I did. Now I just need to be able to jailbreak my OLED to relive the sweet sweet Vita glory to the fullest. (Once it's ready too). Since it's not being emulated I bet there will be so many performance increases with games that were all over the place on the Vita.
Never really seen MVG smile like this, boy does he look excited. Hell I’m just as excited about this as well.
Switch is now the Proton-infused Steam Deck for classic gaming. Pretty sweet.
Imagine running the android version of San Andreas with the Vita compat. layer AND the Switch compat layer.
It would still be better than the "definitive" edition
it would be compatiseption
*Emulator PSVita in Emulator Nintendo Switch on Android... Hmm... 🧐*
Never been so happy to have a Unpached Switch.
Can wait for this to run actual games.
You just hope Nintendo don't patch this..
@@garystinten9339 they can’t? Lol
@@garystinten9339 they cant patch v1 switch no matter the update
@@garystinten9339 it's an hardware exploit not software. V1 switches can't be patched, specially now that emu nand works like interested.
[1:04] Switch Homebrew running Vita homebrew running emulated homebrew?
When Nintendo sells a better VITA than Sony.
The Vita TV is even included in the box!
HA. That would be a good joke if the Vita didn't come out 7 years before it. How is pairing with bluetooth on the Switch going, Vita had that day 1?
Jokes aside, I love the Vita but I am very excited about this. Switch has hdmi out, Vita has a bad, laggy, hacky video out but this would allow me to play Killzone Mercenary in all its glory on a tv (without having to get a Vita tv).
So we could eventually using a switch emulator play Vita games on PC?
Nice! Would be running a Virtualization environment on the Switch like Type 1 (bare-metal) or Type 2 (host-based) with a HAL (hardware abstraction layer) more better ? This would give more compatiblity and easier to run vita games. But it would also require a vita BIOS and vita OS to run in the virtual environment. Most VM uses direct calls to the low-level API (HAL) to reduce latency.
However I see that vita2hos can run native binary code on the switch so basicly they have to write a "wrapper" for all the vita periphals like sound, video, input. Also I wonder if it is possible to have a vita emulator running on switch that can call deko3d low-level api. That would be the easiest solution but a great performance impact due emulation. Im excited to hear that developers are trying to get so much out of the Switch. Hopefully the Steamdeck will have good emulators that can use low-level api. Thank you!
There isn't a good vita emulator to work from. I only know of one in kinda development but nothing commercial runs.
Would love to see GTA SA vita running on switch 😃
Well the current vita emulator seems abandoned so this may be an interesting workaround.
Will this same technique work for other ARM based systems as well
DS and 3DS?
I hope this evolves to playing comercial vita games on the switch... Imagine playing Metal Gear Solid HD Collection, Gravity Rush, Odin Sphere, etc!! ❤️
I'm willing to bet we're eventually gonna be able to Boot into the Vita OS just like how we can boot into android or Linux only a matter of time.
It always amazes me what people with a enough time, and tallent get running on what some call "low power" machines.
I mean, it is low power, but the Vita is even lower power. 1.020 GHz is absolutely horrendous, even for mobile processors in 2017.
Meanwhile, the Vita's CPU only goes to 444MHz.
e: For comparison, I bought my Galaxy J7 Sky Pro (2017) for $20 (Even then, it was sub-$200 new), and its processor is 1.59GHz, and is also octa-core. An entry range phone has a better CPU than the Switch, which costs over $300.
@@DankRedditMemes 500MHz with Vitashell, but still laughable compared to todays smartphones.
@@user-xn3kt6bn5r True even cheap $35 prepaid Alcatel phones running Android GO 11 now have more processing power.
Are you getting a Steam Deck? Would love to see what a guy like you could do with it!
I'd assume most Vita games can run near perfectly. I take only the games that had support for the rear touch panel may give some issues?
I've been watching these videos for too long so I immediately assumed the translation had something to do with the both consoles being ARM based kind of like how GBA backwards compatibility works on the DS and I was correct. Neat
Thats because GB->GBC->GBA->DS direct hardware upgrades they technicly compatibe(except DS lost GBC due to lack of Z80 CPU) to eachother, they dont have OS, only BIOS
@@ShadowriverUB The PS2 used a PS1 CPU to manage IO stuuf (IIRC) and was able to run PS1 games with it
Soo in theory you should be able do this on the Nvidia Shield since it shares the exact same hardware as the switch except the Nvidia shield runs at a slightly higher cpu clock speed.
Cool.
The switch is basically a better vita
But switch is for kids
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Lol. Ok
@@CJ123 no
@@CJ123 attention seeking kids award for you then
@@CJ123 Then I guess a PS5 is a rice cooker
we can finally run Street Fighter x Tekken and Gravity Rush on a fucking Switch
The problem with playing vita games on the switch would be that they are on the switch. It's just not quite portable enough. Even the switch light is a bit too big to be pocketable. The potential joystick damage is a big problem too. The vita on the other hand goes with me everywhere. I really need a case or a bag to feel comfortable taking my switch places. That is the difference between a device I'll carry often and a device I'll carry daily.
If Vita is so good, then why didn't they make a Vita 2-
i bet Nintendo is going to have someone make a chip that doesn't support 32 bit code