What did Jesus mean when He said, “Today you will be with me in paradise”? | GotQuestions.org
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- What is the true meaning behind Jesus' promise to the thief on the cross in Luke 23:43? In this video, we explore the meaning of Jesus' words, "Today you will be with me in paradise," and how punctuation plays a pivotal role in understanding Scripture. Discover the profound insights into Jesus' promise, His spirit's presence, and the significance of paradise. In this video, Pastor Nelson answers your question: What did Jesus mean when He said, “Today you will be with me in paradise”?
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Amen. The thief is my favorite theologian. All the stuff we argue about disappears when we cling in Jesus, like the thief.
While at this crucial moment, all of Jesus" disciples had run away, the thief on the right was the only human being on earth who stood for Jesus being innocent.
@@pierretardy7544 No. ❤John 19:25-27 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, (John) he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother!
Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Instantaneous.
I absolutely LOVE this story in the Bible. One of my favorites!
Prophets of old spoke "Thus says the Lord"', but Jesus says "I tell you the truth".
LordJesusChrist 👣said this to Dismas the thief that was crucified next to Him👣
Catholicism is crushed right here in this verse!
Glory to God, Lord Jesus Christ, Amen
[Jhn 5:28-29 NET] 28 "Do not be amazed at this, because a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and will come out - the ones who have done what is good to the resurrection resulting in life, and the ones who have done what is evil to the resurrection resulting in condemnation.
Way too many discrepancies with this particular answer. Three days after this, Jesus even told Mary to not touch him or he had not raised yet to His Father. Also, Peter made it very clear that after Jesus died, the first thing he did is went to preach to the spirits in prison, which were in Sheol. Also, Jesus had revealed to us in Luke chapter 16 that there were two sides to Sheol one for those still waiting for Christ to die and resurrect because they were under God‘s covenant and the other side for unbelievers. None of the old testament Saints could go into God‘s presence as their sins have not yet been paid for though by faith they had entered salvation by the old testament covenant, and Hebrews tells us that they were waiting for that day. To have the old testament Saints in heaven before death, burial, and resurrection is to show that the action wasn’t necessary for salvation.
I hold to this hoping that non believers who realise Jesus in their last few hours or days that they may repent and have a chance.
And yet Jesus said to Mary “do not touch me for I have not yet ascended to the Father”… and is paradise the ultimate heaven?
Yes it is the ultimate heaven, New Jerusalem. Jesus didn’t ascend into heaven when He died. He went to hell (the grave) according to Acts 2:22-36 (KJV).
@@mindofmasterproductions incorrect
@@jeremycoleman318 scripture says otherwise.
There will be a new heaven and a new earth, and the new Jerusalem will come down from heaven and be in the new earth and it is written " AND I SHALL BE THERE GOD AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE "
He went to Hades - 2 areas. Paradise (Abrahams Bosom for the righteous) and what we know as hell (unrighteous).
Jesus had finally paid the sin debt in full so the saved can be in the presence of the Father.
He gathered them to heaven.🙌🏻
Since the cross, saved ppl go directly to heaven.
1 Peter 3:18-20
He also preached to those unsaved dead next door.
He was busy! He’s never static & takes care of everything!
Jesus Confirmed His Gospel John 3:16 even before He died, that by simply BELIEVING in HIM, the sacrificial Son of GOD, we are SAVED!
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever Believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ❤
@@davekanak Hi Dave not only to believe in Him 👣 but most importantly to Follow Him👣
Even Devil believe in God bud does he follow Him👣?
The gospel for today is 1 cor 15 1-4
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
@@EdwinDekker71 I go by what my Savior said to do in His Gospel John 3:16. Anything else is man's vain religious attempt to explain it and a distortion of His Masterpiece.
You just said a word I read in a book today sir I read a book called Holly Claus The Christmas Princess which mentions the word you spoke called truth and now its spoken to me today Christ wasn't lying when He said there would be signs that follow the believers that believe in Mark 16:17 these signs that come to believers who repent and believe the gospel and get set free by the Truth unto that eternal life they come to affirm that God will speak to us and that He will never abandon leave nor will He forsake us at all.
Loved the way you presented this. A comma can change a lot. All so like the short to the point video.🦇
im willing to bet a seventh day adventist asked got questions this because they believe that the comma should be placed after the word "today" implying that the thief would enter paradise at some point in the future rather than that very day.
I'm not SDA. Three days after Yahushua died, He told Mary not to cling to Him because He had not yet been to the Father. So He didn't go to paradise three days earlier.
Go read.
Acts 2:29-34
Hebrews 11:13
John 11: 23-24
The common understanding at that time was that when people died they were in the grave, belly of the earth, sheol, until the time of the great resurrection of the dead... Which was not occurring until our Messiah returns.
The disembodied spirits theory comes from Greek mythology and is not biblical at all. We do not receive our spiritual eternal bodies until the resurrection of the dead. Just like Genesis describes, a living being or a soul consists of a body and the breath of life from YHWH. As soon as our last breath leaves us, we are no longer a living being.
@@SG-jv5zi This indeed is what the Bible says, amen. It's not just Seventh day Adventists who allow the Bible to teach this simple truth, not so?
Well said ! 🙏
God bless you all if you read this concept!
You were on the right track. " I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise". The earliest manuscript with punctuation is Codex Vaticanis. There is a dot after the word today, not before it. The first manuscript to have a comma before the word today was a 9th century manuscript. No gyrations are needed to explain Jesus being 3 days in the grave and everything harmonizes the I Cor 15;51-53 “I tell you a mystery, we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed, ..in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet, the dead will be raised imperishable…for the mortal must put on immortality. When will the dead in Christ put on immortality? Not until the trumpet sounds.
Thank You Jesus For The Cross ✝️ 🙌🏾 🙏🏽 ❤️ ✨️
Thank you 😢🎉🎉❤❤❤
I agree.
He meant what he said lol.
Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂 amen.
Best comment here.
Amen
Why then did He say to Marry not touch him the morning of the résurrection because He had not been with The Father yet? While the same day He appeared to His disciples and allowed them to touch him ?
In John 20:17 Jesus said to Mary, "Do not cling to me for I have not ascended to my Father." If Jesus was in Heaven as a spirit when he died, why then would he tell Mary he had not ascended. And if Jesus really said to the Thief he was going to be in Heaven that day, why would he raise Lazarus from the dead rather than telling Mary and Martha that he was living in Heaven? Plus Eccl. 9:5 says, "The living know they will die, but the dead don't know a thing. This is why the comma should actually be after "Today" rather than before.
This is just the beginning of the reasons why this comma has been put in the wrong place, due to several, traditional interpretations.
You say that on the same day that Jesus died his spirit went up to be in the father's presence. However, THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS after Jesus died and then arose from the tomb, he told Mary Magdalene, "Do not cling to Me, for I have NOT YET ascended to the Father." (John 20:17).
He was referring to His physical body.
@@pro-touch7055 Hmmm, I don't understand. So you're saying Jesus had TWO separate bodies? A spirit body that went to heaven to be in the Father's presence immediately after his death AND a physical body that remained on earth that would later also ascend to heaven to be with the father? If that were true, why would Jesus' physical body also need to ascend to the father in heaven when before he came down to live on earth, Jesus was a spirit, WITHOUT a physical body!
When people die, our spirit goes back to God who gave it. The spirit is what gives life. Our bodies decay and our souls sleep in the grave until either the first resurrection which happens at His second coming or the second resurrection which happens at the end of the millennium.
Right, when people die their SPIRIT returns to GOD. However, I don't believe this spirit is the spirit body version of a person. I believe it's the life force that gives people life -- the "breath of life" mentioned in Genesis. "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL. (Genesis 2:7, KJV). So when the body receives this spirit (life force), it becomes a living SOUL. When the spirit (life force) leaves the body the person dies -- the living SOUL DIES. Yes, Souls are NOT immortal, souls DIE! The soul that sinneth, it shall die ..."(Ezekiel 18:20-24 KJV). We do not become immortal (incorruptible) until Jesus returns. (see 1 Corinthians 15:52)
I'm guessing this was not Jesus' first conversation with these two thieves. They were imprisoned with Jesus the night before and I'm sure he talked to them, like Paul in Philippi.
The kingdom comes in the future
Luke 23 and Eph 4 don't say that Jesus was really alive and in the Father's presence immediately after He died. The Bible doesn't teach that we're still alive after we die. The first resurrection occurs after the hour of judgment has come, in Rev. 20. The only way the thief or anyone else could be in paradise the same day as their death is by describing the experience of death and resurrection as something that doesn't seem to take any time. If Jesus were already alive immediately after his death then what happened on the third day? He came back to life again? I don't see how Jesus saying something a little differently somehow means anything in particular. Saying something in a way that is different from all other ways doesn't mean it wasn't said - it only means it's different, and it may be different for good reason. In Matt. 5 Jesus makes a reference to something using the phrase "Until heaven and earth disappear". This seems to be the only place that he makes this kind of statement but that doesn't mean he didn't really say it just because it's the only time he said it. "I tell you the truth today" may simply be a way of putting even greater emphasis on the truthfulness and urgency of his message.
One thing I disagree with you on, the first resurrection happens at His second coming and the second resurrection happens at the end of the millennium just prior to judgment.
@@robertschmidt9296 There's no disagreement. The hour of judgment is declared in Revelation 14:7 before the first resurrection in Revelation 20.
@@davidreinker5600 I see which judgment you're talking about. I thought you were talking about the great white throne judgment.
Jesus went to the Paradise section of Hell called Abraham's bosom.
The thief on the cross went to Abraham's bosom.
Saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.
Is there reasonable opposition to this translation clarification/justification? I'd like to understand the point here? Thanks to anyone who is willing to help while I learn. Praise God!
Jehovah's Witnesses bible places the comma right after the word "today". That misplacement completely changes the meaning of the verse to accommodate it to their doctrine of the unconsciousness after death.
I hope this answers your question.
@@LosDeBerea Thank you. I'm not familiar with that Bible so I will be looking into it. I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
@@WalterWDJW's bible is a clear example of Eiségesis. When someone inserts their own ideas or biases into it, rather than understanding the text's original meaning.
@@LosDeBerea Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10; Ps. 146:3, 4; Ps. 115:17; Ps. 104:29; John 5:28, 29.
@@LosDeBerea How do you know it's a misplacement since commas and all other punctuation marks weren't added until the 6th or 7th century? How do you know precisely where the comma should be placed? Were you there?
My question to this phrase is not about the timing. Can you show me anywhere else where Jesus called heaven "paradise"? I have found no other and therefore makes wonder is HE actually promising heaven to the thief.
The tree of life is in the paradise of God, which is in the New Jerusalem, the eternal home of God’s people. - Revelation 2:7
@ this does not answer my question. Where else in the Gospels does Jesus call heaven or the kingdom of God paradise? I have no doubt we will be with HIM after death but HE did not promise us paradise.
@@AlmondJoie nope, I knew that. So WHY did Jesus use that word then and there ONLY?
Well, I think we could cross out Hell or Purgatory being called Paradise. Also, Jesus said he would be there, so I am guessing wherever Jesus lives. Take care
2 Corinthians 12:1-6
It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows-such a one was caught up to the third heaven. And I know such a man-whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows- how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.
I have always looked at the story of the Rich man and Lazarus as not being a parable but a true story of those in hell and those awaiting the resurrection from the dead, in other word in paradise. As I understand it he died and went to paradise and preached the Good News to those awaiting His fulfilment of prophesy. Then He appeared to Mary and then He went to Heaven to complete His sacrifice for our sins. Then came back and allowed people to touch and see Him. He is coming back to take us home and then the dead in Christ will arise first (from paradise ?) to meet Him in the air along with those saints remaining alive on earth. Anyway just a viewpoint I have had for some time and probably wrong. I subscribe to the Pan Theory.
Just like u say, it is written that He will bring those who sleep in Christ with Him when He return.
When Yahushua was telling the story of the rich man and Lazarus, He was talking to the pharisees who were rich and looked down on the poor. The story was specifically for them, not to us.
When we die, we stay dead until either the first resurrection which happens at His second coming or the second resurrection which happens at the end of the millennium. It makes no sense to resurrect the living. It makes no sense to resurrect a decomposed body that may be scattered all over the breadth of the earth just to make a brand new one.
If Yahweh is a just God, why would He punish people before judgement?
Picture yourself on the side of Abraham's bosom. Just how peaceful is it to hear and see, including your loved ones, people screaming 24/7 in torment? the rich man was in torment because of the flames and all he was worried about was his tongue?
@@robertschmidt9296, no the resurrection is when the true believers, both "asleep" and alive will get their glorified bodies, got nothing to do with our soul which can't d ie.
Bible is clear, Jesus will bring the souls of the "dead" in Christ with Him with His second coming, telling us where those souls is now.
@@rmf2941 why isn’t it a parable
@andrevisser7542 1 Thessalonians 4:14 says that He will bring with His those who sleep in Yahushua. So they are unaware of what's going on.
When He returns, His angels will gather the dead in Christ first and then the living.
So Yahushua is going to bring the sleeping souls to earth so the angels can gather them up?
The redeemed will put on immortality and incorruptible bodies. Why would they put on immortality if they are already immortal? Where in Scripture does it say that we are immortal?
The dead have no awareness of time, so even if this person sleeps for 2050 years before seeing Jesus again it will be like a single day for him. Jesus did not have to explain all the theology on this subject to him.
If it were not also for us, it would not have been recorded. There is a difference between having theology and knowing Him. Once Jesus saved this thief, why would He delay enjoying his company? Do you really believe His love is so small?
@@deanfry879 There is no delay for the dead because they have no awareness of time...the Bible explains itself by the Bible.
@ How do you know the dead have no awareness of time? Have you been dead? And you still have not answered why Jesus would delay enjoying our company for His own sake.
@@deanfry879 When you're dead, you're dead. And you stay dead until Jesus returns and resurrects the saved.
Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 (KJV)
5 the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Rev 6:10 may indicate that the dead may have an awareness of time in their wait for the last day.
Amen at least he got a happy ending after death took him to that paradise whereas the other guy did not get a happy ending since unlike the other guy did not become a believer but became an unbeliever what he was to begin with from the start. And if Christ was willing to bring that unbeliever that became a believer to repentance there is hope other sinners can become born again of the Spirit and have their sins washed away by the blood and inherit the Kingdom of God.
I wish God would forgive me.
If you repent and trust in Jesus to save you, He will. What’s stopping you?
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
@ nothing. I've prayed the prayer and I believe with all my heart and God knows I've confessed my sins but still for some reason God shoves everything in my face. Especially when I try to do something nice for my family. I've asked countless times for help with my troubled daughter and yet my prayers are ignored.
U@@Rockhound6165 there are times where our faith will be tested. Have perseverance. The Lord delivers on his promises.
@@Rockhound6165the same was done to Apostle Paul, as we read in the New Testament. Look at what happened to Job, the most righteous man of that day. We, as Christians, will always have obstacles to overcome, but His grace is sufficient. Never forget this, my friend.
Since Jesus went to hell first, not paradise, the thief was not with him that day.
I so wish the younger people would pronounce the the “t” in words. What Jesus said was “important” not imporant. My daughter told me it is how young people pronounce certain words…”cer an” words. Like ghetto talk.
Problem...
Read Acts 2:29:34 here Peter tells us that even King David is still dead and in the grave, and has not been resurrected into his eternal body, in the Kingdom.
Hebrews 11:13 also confirms that other patriarchs died in belief and not receiving the promise, that promise is eternal life in a resurrected glorified body.
A living being consists of a body and The breath of Life given by God. When a person dies they are no longer a living being.
Yeshua died for 3 days and 3 nights and was resurrected to his spiritual body, and he even told Mary that she could not touch him because he had not yet ascended to his father in heaven.
So no, Jesus was not in Paradise that same day, and the thief on the cross while he obtained salvation by faith, is also still dead in the grave awaiting the resurrection of the dead, that comes at the return of our Messiah.
What he meant was he would be with him that very same day in paradise. He did not say you will be with me in heaven. What’s then was he referring to? Abraham’s Bossom. Remember, when he descended he went to preach to the prisoners. He went to paradise where Abraham and the OT people were!
Most modern bible versions (like the ESV, NIV, NASB, etc) are based on the Alexandrian manuscripts; less then 50 manuscripts, mainly codex Vaticanus and codex Sinaiticus that alter and omit many verses and even contradict each other.
The AV/KJV however, is based on the traditional majority text from Antioch; 6000+ manuscripts that all agree in their reading.
Modern versions based on the nestle-aland/UBS text are corrupt. Use AV/KJV.
The AV/KJV is based on a Greek edition of the NT (the so-called Textus Receptus) that was originally produced from 8 later manuscripts which most likely belonged to the Byzantine manuscripts. But that was not the source alone. The translation of the KJV shows readings from Beza's and Stephanus' TR but also has many other readings that can't be linked to either of these two but most likely the Latin translations.
On the other hand, the newer translations you so easily discredit are made from the critical text that's produced from thousands of Greek manuscripts which include a lot of earlier manuscripts and papyrii (P52 being a second century fragment of the Gospel of John) other very early translations into Syriac et al.
Apart from the NWT and the Passion translations, there are quite a lot of good translations that are based on the Critical text, and the Lord in heaven will use them mightily to His own glory.
It just means he meant it. It is finished. Our bondage is we don’t believe it.
Jesus didn’t ascend into heaven for over a month after he died. So you are very wrong about your “today” teachings
Jesus ALWAYS spoke truth! He cannot lie. Why would He have a need to say “I tell you the truth TODAY?”
He isn't a liar. Christianity and the Bible have a grammatical error. The comma, is in the wrong place.
he explained it in the video... "i tell you the truth" means "verily i say unto thee" meaning listen closely.
Since Jesus was emphasising the truth of the thief's salvation for him, while they were both being crucified - damned before God also by all appearances, the comma can indeed be in the wrong place: this was a promise to the thief while he was conscious and alive, still, and what a promise!
This was an extraordinary moment for Jesus to be teaching a profound, personal truth, so "I say to you today," is truly fitting.
Yes, Jesus committed his spirit to his Father as he expired: his spirit, not his soul - a mistake made by this video. Also Lazarus had no "near death visions" of heaven to report on when he was resurrected by Jesus:
We may truly not take the parable of the "rich man & Lazarus" as definite details of the after life - given everything else the Bible says about it, for Jesus' point with that parable was in his closing comments, not the fine details of the story which are not confirmed throughout the Bible. "If they hear not Moses, nor will they be persuaded though someone rose from the dead." Precisely as happened in he Sanhedrin when Lazarus was raised from the dead.
@Colin-to1nv On top of that, there are 9 previous passages saying Jesus would be dead, not in paradise.
Did the thief believe in the gospel?? The DBR of Christ?? No, he didn't, so does that mean I can be saved without believing in the DBR of Christ since the thief didn't?? The thief died under the OT, we are under the NT....
Jesus said in Luke 24:47 " Repentance and forgiveness of sins to be preached in his name would BEGIN IN JERUSALEM", and this happens in Acts 2 where Peter preaches the first gospel sermon. When they asked, " What must we do" v37, Peter said, " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins....", and it says that those who received the word and were baptized, the Lord added them to the saved, v41 v47.
So I believe that Gods Chosen People in the Old Testament, Israel went to Sheol upon death. Christ had not died yet to pay the penalty of their sins so they were unable to go directly to Heaven (2 notable exceptions). Sheol had two compartments, Paradise for the better people and a place of torment for the bad (Lazarus). After Jesus died on the cross he went to the inner earth to preach to the Old Testament dead during the 3 days paving the way for them to go to Heaven through faith in Christ. So when Jesus said today we’ll be in Paradise he meant the resting place for Old Testament believers in God (Abrahams bosom). He said “it is finished” on the cross meaning the debt for sin was paid but Old Testament believers still required belief in the risen Christ to be saved which occurred after the empty tomb on the third day. Today New Testament believers go directly to Heaven through faith because Jesus died for our sin and was raised by the power of God. Amen..
This is the conclusion that I’ve come to over the years. I will admit that until now, I didn’t consider the part about the OT believers needing to see and believe in the risen Christ..but it just makes this idea make so much more sense.
I believe you are 100% correct.
What chapter and verse shows Sheol having 2 compartments?
@@claytonbigsby Luke 16:19-31
Correct.
@@stephenagnewii3325 The word "compartments" is not in any translation of the verses you posted.
Paradise refers to Abraham's Bosom (Limbo of the Fathers), the resting place of the righteous in Sheol (Hades) who awaited Heaven’s opening. When Jesus died, He descended into Sheol. His Resurrection opened the gates of Heaven, and after His Ascension, the Old Testament Saints were finally brought into glory. Thus, the good thief Dismas joined Christ in Paradise that very day, awaiting Heaven.
Prove it.
@ Luke 16:22ff
Abraham’s Bosom is the resting place of the righteous in Sheol (Hades).
@@petros-petra Prove it.
@ Grow up...
@@petros-petra Irrelevant. PROVE your assertions.
Yeah and paradise is not purgatory.
The moving of a comma is an adventist doctrine, because they believe in soul sleep. So they made a change in a bible, saying that verse is not telling about "today the thief is directly go to paradise", rather "Jesus is saying today that the thief is going to paradise"
There is no comma in the Greek text. The comma is added when translating.
The Adventists didn't move any punctuation marks. Punctuation marks weren't even added to the Hebrew and Koine Greek texts until the 6th or 7th century.
Yes there is no comma, but the interpretation is like what being said in video, why out of 76 times Jesus said "I tell you the truth", only this occurence in gospel of Luke has different interpretation? So greek scholar agreed that the interpretation should be "truly I said to you, today ...", and not "truly I said to you today, ..."
And yes, the adventist are not the one "changing" the comma. But rather they reinterprate it, and even made an article in their official magazine called "Ministry" making a reinterpretation of it. You can find it on the internet : Wilson Paroschy, a significance of comma (He is a professor from adventist university btw), and it is being taught in their daily devotion called Sabbath School.
Secondly, there is an adventist bible called "Clear Word", where they made a bunch of paraphrase to prove their doctrines, and of course one of them is on luke 23:43, which written "I promise you today, ....", among other paraphrase to support their doctrines
Yes there is no comma, but the interpretation is like what being said in video, why out of 76 times Jesus said "I tell you the truth", only this occurence in gospel of Luke has different interpretation? So greek scholar agreed that the interpretation should be "truly I said to you, today ...", and not "truly I said to you today, ..."
And yes, the adventist are not the one "changing" the comma. But rather they reinterprate it, and even made an article in their official magazine called "Ministry" making a reinterpretation of it. You can find it on the internet : Wilson Paroschy, a significance of comma (He is a professor from adventist university btw), and it is being taught in their daily devotion called Sabbath School.
Secondly, there is an adventist bible called "Clear Word", where they made a bunch of paraphrase to prove their doctrines, and of course one of them is on luke 23:43, which written "I promise you today, ....", among other paraphrase to support their doctrines
The thief will be in heaven, but not immediately. His soul must be perfectly purified before he can enter heaven. The Scriptures say nothing unclean can enter the joy of heaven.
Jesus dying takes all of our sin away and purifies us. When we leave our Earthly and sinfull bodies there is no sin left in our souls as Jesus died for it to be paid for already.
Also, we don't go to heaven, after judgement, God will create a new heaven and a new earth, where we will live on earth, as it was before the fall of humanity at Eden.
False catholic doctrine
Everyone goes to judgment, but the thief?
No, everyone is already saved, and there will be no judgment.
This is process of being made into the image of God.
Not everyone is saved. People not written in the Book of Life will go to the lake of fire.
Read Revelation 20
@@sheepdogapologetics3267
Who is not in the book of life?
Moses told God how the people were evil but if He wipes them out of the book of life, then wipe his name out as well.
Moses was acting like Jesus to come.
"For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all." Romans 11:32
Moses also talked about choosing ( eternal)life.
There are several scriptures that say we must make a choice.
This is clear as well....
Not all are children...as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.John 1: 12 @@Move_I_Got_This-b3v
Why did Jesus not say, " you will be with me in Heaven". Paradise is not Heaven. This is a more important question. Why did Jesus could not go directly to Heaven? The reason is that we enter Heaven as a family. Jesus was rejected and killed. He came to establish a family that was not connected to the fallen lineage of Adam. The bible says that he will return for the "Marriage of the lamb". He will return with a new name as Revelation says. Adam, Jesus and the lord of the second advent have the same Mission.
Prove it.
Jesus has been/is in Heaven (and everywhere else). He went there to offer His blood on the altar of atonement of God in Heaven so our salvation may be complete. A fair bit of Hebrews develops that argument.
@@johnharrison6745 "If your brother sins, show him his fault". What do you want proven? That Jesus was rejected and killed?
@ Wasn't talking to you.
@@johnharrison6745 It's a public forum.