My buddy lives in Flag and has seen her around. She doesn't add or subtract energy at all, she's invisible and irrelevant. No one cares about her at all. I think that's why she's so invested in the show, she's worthless otherwise.
I may be alone in my thought here but it has always bothered me that Truly has never been a priority in Kody's life. Her birth was overshadowed by Robyn's wedding, now Kody further minimized Truly by taking away her unique status in the family by saying, "Truly wont be the little one anymore" when announcing Robyn's pregnancy.I know Truly was too young to feel the effect of the removal of that designation, but it just screamed to me that Truly is now even less important in kody's life than she was. Why couldn't kody just say that robyn was pregnant? Why did he have to diminish Truly in the announcement? Ordinarily it wouldn't bother me about announcing an upcoming birth, but I just feel that Truly has just ALWAYS gotten so completely overlooked by Kody.
Thank you! I watched SW on the first episode premiere and ended up pregnant with my daughter in 2011. She was born the first week of 2012, so she is a year younger than Truly. She is actually very much like Truly as well, not physical resemblance, but in personality and attitude. Truly has always had a special place in my ❤ with the circumstances (especially after the bike lessons from hell episode)!
I thought I was the only one who felt this way! Watching now, the wedding episodes and all, Truly seems SO lost. It breaks my heart. Idk that David can fix the damage Kody has done. Hopfully he showers her w fatherly love and understanding.
He almost caused her death with neglect too when Christine and the girls took a trip and left Truly at home to his care. She ended up becoming very ill, almost dying in the hospital,
@@HH-rs9my you're absolutely right. My heart goes out to that poor child. She has been treated as an afterthought by kody, her entire life. I'm.so thrilled to see her being given respect and responsibility at Christine's wedding.
Sir, Robin is not grieving. She is acting for our benefit. Everything that happened is exactly what she wanted. She is one of the most manipulative and cunning people I've ever seen in my life. Even Kody doesn't realise that he is currently being manipulated by her.
Truth 😆. There's not a person I don't think except David who doesn't see it. I think it's because David hasn't seen many episodes and hasn't been invested because so he doesn't know the history so well. But there is lies upon lies upon lies and you can see that just from the history of the show It's been recorded
Exactly what I have thought about Robin. She lies all the time which is proven by her contradicting statements and video clips. She lies when she pretends that she's devastated or that her marriage is suffering.
It's really interesting when people claim to know the inner emotional lives of people they only have a parasocial relationship with, on a psychology focused channel, and don't recognize how distorted their perceptions are. Hypothesis? Sure. Certainty? Nah.
Robyn said that the kids didn't accept Sol. It isn't as if they saw him as a baby and rejected him. They weren't excited that she was having a baby. Those are two different things.
Even the anthropology student from past seasons mentioned directly to Robyn how much one on one time Kody was spending with Sol compared to the other kids.
What everyone fails to take into account with Christine's reaction to the wedding dress is.... she was a few months postpartum at this point. Her hormones and emotional state are trying to regulate after giving birth. Surprise, surprise - she had a negative reaction to being misled by her husband and new sister wife!
Why they may be forgetting is because it doesn't matter. Anyone could feel that way and a majority probably would. It was a betrayal and Kody is an ass and crazy. But I don't feel bad that they got all the bad luck from seeing the wife in the wedding dress before the wedding. Even if technically it wasn't the exact dress and one was ordered. I still think it counts. Not that I believe in luck.
For real, I was so crazy with hormones during my pregnancy, and after. I got jealous of pictures my husband had of ex girlfriends! It seems insane to me now 13 years later, but at the time I had a post partum meltdown 🫠
Agreed ladies. That is a very sensitive time for a new mother, that’s why it’s called the 4th trimester. Even women who didn’t have hormone issues can be cruel about it. Just because it didn’t happen to you doesn’t mean other moms are weak or making it up. Be grateful you didn’t have hormone problems and be supportive!
If the catfish had been a real person I think Mary would have left the family earlier. I think it would've been a lot healthier for Mary than how she spent the last decade
Well I mean why should she be staying nobody seems to like her there including Cody I think the only one that was kind of nice to her sometimes was Robin but then Robin wouldn't even let her kids be around Mary so. Even Mary's own child was not nice to her so. I don't know why everybody says there's a problem with Mary because to me it seem like everybody else was bullying Mary In a way but we don't know what goes on when cameras are off
She was having an emotional relationship. She needs to be honest with herself. If she never admits that then she will always be a victim to that catfish situation
@@beekeeper11 Generally speaking the concept of "emotional relationships" is BS to begin with. It's just an excuse for people to be emotionally and intelletually immature and jealous of their partner for no reason. In Meri's case nothing happened other than a criminal stranger lying to her and pretending to be someone else. Her having feelings for an imaginary being like "Sam the man" is not a betrayl of any sorts, lmao.
18:00 Meri was very lonely and suffering alone. She was looking for a real connection with a man, and unfortunately she found that catfish. That’s why Kody took some of the blame when he discussed the issue with Leon. She had an emotional affair, and I think she would have left that family if Sam had been a real person. I think Meri was struggling before Robyn came into the family.
The children didn't rejoice when Robin got pregnant because KODY DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR THEM AS IT WAS. And by then, they already knew that Robyn was taking up most of his TIME.
Kody goes on about Christine and Janelle taking his kids away and bad mouthing him, when him and Robyn did it to her older children's Dad and take away his parental rights.. It's hypocrisy at its finest,
The catfish thing: definitely an emotional affair, although it never got physical because the guy didn't actually exist. HOWEVER - I've always been willing to cut Meri some slack on this one, because the catfisher knew the family. It was someone who was familiar with the situation with Meri (the fact that she divorced Kody so Robyn could marry him/get the kids adopted, etc). They knew she was depressed and unhappy, and they basically used that information to tell her everything she ever wanted to hear from a romantic partner. And given her ONLY romantic partner up until that point had been Kody, and how he pretty much emotionally abandoned her the second Robyn came into the picture (if not before), is it really any wonder she fell for it? I feel horrible for Meri, because this lady that decided to pull the catfish was basically just pulling the strings on Meri when she was at her lowest. I can't really blame Meri for emotionally turning from Kody, because frankly he emotionally turned on her long before that.
Having been, not catfished, but in a similar situation being caught up in a relationship online, there comes a point when you have to be honest with yourself and admit that even an emotional relationship is a dishonesty. I had to leave the group I was in when I realized this is what was happening. Meri can feel like a victim because the person she was communicating with was lying, but the fact that she initially continued the relationship means that she was making a choice -even if she denied it to herself then. She has to confess that even if it's to herself.
Yes, I do think Christine would say she is more in love with David than she ever was with Kody. But I also think she would never, ever say, "I never was in love with Kody." That's what Kody's doing, and it's revisionist BS.
Yes! Saying "I never loved you anyway" when a relationship ends is teenagery bullcrap. Most people eventually grow up and realize that just because the person you are NOW wouldn't be in love with that ex, that does NOT mean the person you were then wasn't in love with them. It's perfectly valid to say "at the time, I believed I felt that way". Insisting you never loved them at all is so immature and pathetic.
Two things: 1) In all the seasons of Sister Wives, Kody never had six pack abs. 😂 2) Robyn said if she ever saw favoritism she would have stopped it. If so, why did she take Kody to pick out her wedding dress? Her solution to the favoritism was to keep it from the other wives, not stop it. Love and look forward to your videos! Please keep them coming.
He was lying then. He’s a narcissist. He only cares about himself. Robyn gives him the best narcissistic fuel. But he doesn’t love her. She doesn’t love him. It’s mutual using each other and self delusion.
As a Catholic, I see a lot of large monogamous families and I can tell you that a lot of tween and teen children get upset when they find out there is another baby is on the way. The older children realize they are going to have to provide more care for their siblings with a new baby in the house. The tweens are embarrassed because now all of their friends will know that their parents are still “doing it.” It can be awkward. I have a friend who was the second oldest of 14 ( actually, there had been 16 children, but two died as infants.). She was pretty cool with everything, but her older sister moved out of state for college and swore she’d never have any kids. Another friend is the oldest of nine. She was appalled by the arrival of the last two of her siblings and capped her own family at two. The reaction of the older teens was perfectly normal for their age and rational adults understand that and immediately forgive a less than enthusiastic response to the news. The wonderful thing is that these friends who struggled with the size of their families also loved and cherished those younger siblings once they arrived on the scene. While they weren’t thrilled with the announcement that they were coming, they are the first to admit they love the younger sibling and are grateful for what that sibling brings to the family. Robyn has stated she was very upset by Hunter’s reaction when her pregnancy was announced ( and many fans feel she still holds it against him). But I remember footage of him holding Solomon with a look of awe on his face once he was born. I think Aspyn loves Truely, but I seem to recall Christine once mentioning that she was less than thrilled when she first found out Truely was on the way. Both Aspyn and Logan were parentalized very early in their lives…I think their initial less than p,eased reaction is understandable. As for Leon, they were at an age to recognize how a new pregnancy caused their mother pain, so their lack of enthusiasm is also justified. Robyn needs to look at the big picture and let go of her “hurt.” The other wives and the littles were excited…that was better than she should have expected.
Very good point. An outlook at hasn't considered, I was just thinking about how they knew money was stretched pretty thin and they didn't get a good diet as it was, but the thought of more kids/ babies for them to take care of, that would certainly make anyone pause.
Yes, and Robyn is too self-centered to realize any of this. There is nothing to forgive the kids for, but she's worked so hard to forgive and obviously still hasn't! The woman lives in her own fantasy land!
EXACTLY! My daughters were 14 and 15 when I remarried (had been widow for ten years) and had two more. They were appalled and nasty about it. But they loved the babies once they were there and now as the kids are about to graduate from high school (and one older girl just had her first baby) they apologize to me a lot about how they acted. But they were kids. Robyn is butt hurt over the way these kids acted, yet at the time tried to be their best friend (sometimes undermining their moms). Not impressed by Robyn's mothering abilities at all, and also, hey David, what do you think about a five year old with a pacifier?
Robyn saying she has to work to forgive the CHILDREN for not being excited that they will get even less time with their father, and will have another kid they have to help out with is the height of her insane selfishness. And seriously, was this her first time meeting TEENAGERS?? What teen is going to be excited that their dad's new wife is pregnant?
Those of us who are a bit older know that our definition of love (both given & received) can change. That does not require us to redefine the love(s) of our youth as to negate their ever having been "love". Most importantly, doing so when children came out of that or those relationships is cruel. My second marriage is far different than my 1st relationship. It would never occur to me to claim I never loved my childrens' father after proclaiming it for 20 years. I changed. We changed. The things & emotions I have experienced with my husband are cherished. I can say the same about my ex without diminishing my present.
Excellent!! Very well said. I’ve loved 4 completely different people in my life (male and female). Every relationship was different with different feelings and levels of love. But….I Loved each one. From my first love and the father of my children who later I divorced to my last love who I love and am in a committed relationship but haven’t even lived with or have had sex with for many many years.
This! I'm in a very, very happy second marriage. It's completely different than my first marriage but the fact that I love my current husband more and differently doesn't negate the fact that I loved my ex. I think Kody is so emotionally stunted that he can't understand that being in love looks different in every relationship.
Narcs do not know what love is. They know what they want from you to make them feel good. So it’s all conditional. If you don’t give them their supply, you’ll pay. I believe Kody feels he never did “love” them bc he just collected these women to fulfill his wants and needs. Robyn triggered something else..maybe
The whole dress debacle “triggers” me, it wasn’t about the dress (or jealousy), it was about Robyn leading the og3 to believe she wanted to include them and wanted their opinion and then went behind their back and went with Kody to pick out her dress. Not only that but she wanted to keep that secret from the wives. What Janelle said was on target, it wasn’t real that they were being included.
Its always behind your back with Robin , Cody and Meri too. Im leaving the pity party for Meri as of now . Meri went with Cody in pursuit of Robin behind the other wives backs . She knowingly and willinglly aided him in doing it. Even gleefully.in my opinion until it turned around and bit her in the butt
You may be thinking of Meri, who was 19 when she married Kody. Kody was 21 when he married Meri, 24 when he married Janelle (who was 23 at the time), 25 when he married Christine (who was 21 at the time), and 41 when he married Robyn (who was 31 at the time). It’s still SUPER young and fast-three marriages over the span of four years, and before, as Robyn would point out, his frontal lobe was fully developed. 😂
I came here to say this. Kody and Janelle were both born in 1969, Meri was born in 1971, Christine was born in 1972, Robyn in 1978. It's annoying that they all say Robyn is "10 years younger" no, she's 9 years younger than Kody and Janelle, 7 years younger than Meri and only 6 years younger than Christine. Not to mention the fact that the OG3 pretty much look younger than Robs now. Robyn's kids are also basically the same age as the OG13 kids, Dayton was 10 when Ko-Ro got together, he was a preteen. Only 4 of Janelle's kids are older than Dayton, Christine only has 3 kids older than Dayton and Savanah and Truely are younger than both of Rob's oldest girls.
The older kids had known poverty, need & not getting enough time, support, money, food, etc. The little kids mostly know life after TLC & having money to live on. That’s why they’re so ready to dismiss them both. The OG moms held it down. What a tragic family.
I can't fathom how you don't see Robyn as the narcissist here. She cares even less about other people's feelings than Kody does, her actions, reactions and feelings go beyond selfishness, she's histrionic and narcissistic in every way. She's literally holding a grudge against CHILDREN for not being excited that she was pregnant when months before they were having to eat stale bread because their parents couldn't afford to feed them, she has zero empathy, then she discusses what a "good person" she is for forgiving these children for their lack of enthusiasm, but she didn't actually forgive them, she brings this up every chance she gets. The fact alone that she was living in a mansion, that Janelle paid for, while Janelle and her "daughter" Savanna were sleeping in a cold RV on a mountain, basically homeless, as Rob's was able to go about her life and sleep at night, in her mansion full of stuff, tells you everything you need to know about Robs. That mansion is enormous and even has a basement apartment but Robs didn’t offer the apartment to Janelle. It's also striking how much your wife looks like Atlantis Morissette.
Robyn saying that about the kids shows her extreme lack of maturity and understanding. They were kids! She shouldn't have held onto that or have ever mentioned it to Kody because he's also immature and they would both take it as some great offense instead of just giving the kids time and grace. It takes some kids more time than others to accept and be comfortable with big changes. She wanted them to be excited about her and a new baby so she could feel good instead of having any empathy for them. She makes herself look petty and immature when she could've handled it with grace and just never said anything about how the kids' reactions affected her. Teens can't be expected to have the perfect responses or know how to fake it just for Robyn's selfish needs.
I didn't understand all the "Robyn is a narcissist" comments until I looked to the description of covert narcissism and it describes her to a T. The constant victimhood as a way to manipulate others and the histrionic reactions... Wow.
There is a difference between demonstrating narcissistic tendencies from time to time (which every human being does by the way) and being an actual narcissist. This guy is an actual psychologist. I’d imagine he understands the nuances a lot more than viewers.
The catfish situation was absolutely an emotional affair. As someone who watched the show from the beginning, and saw it play out in real time and read everything that came out online about it, there is no question that Meri was seriously considering leaving Kody if “Sam” had been real. She left him voicemails where she is sweet talking “him”, saying I love you, and reassuring him that he’s more of a man than Kody would ever be. Not to mention the suggestive banana picture she sent him. On the show, she became very withdrawn from the family, and much of the footage of her is just her alone, sitting at her computer and checking her phone. She didn’t even pretend to engage with the family, for the show’s sake or anything. On their Alaska trip, she told them she might just be gone one day. Leon was living with her during all of this, and I think Leon knew exactly what Meri was doing, and Leon told Meri it was a catfish. Leon even went with Meri to Disney with the catfish herself, who pretended to be Sam’s friend, and let them know Sam was too busy to be there. Leon tried to warn Meri multiple times that this was a fake situation. I think this is why Leon and Meri had such a bad relationship for so long. Meri refused to take accountability for actually participating in an emotional affair, she just claimed to be victimized by this person she befriended. When it all came out that Meri was being catfished, for whatever reason, maybe to save the show?, none of the romantic side was show, and the party line was just that Meri was taken advantage of someone online, and she was terribly victimized and almost blackmailed by this person who she just wanted a friendship with. Meri claimed the catfish was practically stalking her and threatening the family. The family all made a show of supporting her, and for years, there was no acknowledgment on the show that she had been having an emotional affair, just that poor Meri was victimized. If they ever pressed her on how she was victimized, she felt attacked and refused to answer, claiming to feel unsafe. I think at some point, Kody finally looked into what she was actually doing, I don’t think he cared to before, and you can see a shift in attitude toward her. He’s much colder to her, where as before that, he just seemed uninterested in her. It’s only this season that I’ve seen him say she had an emotional affair. It’s always annoyed me that no one would ever talk about this before on the show.
Kody is essentially telling all of his other children that they weren't made out of love - it's cruel and no wonder they have no respect for him. Robyn has known from the beginning that she has had the power and the family is broken as a result; it's obvious. She and Kody deserve each other.
Nice job, both Allison & David. And Kody is lying now, Allison is correct. She’s watched from the beginning and is a sister wives expert. You two bring out the best in each other. ❤
The part that gets me is that Kody sounds so proud of himself for (in his own interpretation) finally realizing that he fell in love with Robyn when he didn’t with the others. Instead of letting that realization humble him by making him understand that he was in the wrong the whole time and that he damaged the other 3 by keeping them around for so long, he’s just like “oh it makes sense now that I favored Robyn and treated the others like dirt because I actually loved her”.
I agree with you. I would respect him if he actually acknowledged he loved Robyn in a way he didn’t the other wives and that he should have ended the other relationships. If he admitted it also effected the way he treated his children at least there would be growth.
I think Kody's idea of love is completely different from a normal person's idea of love. He loves someone based on how they make him feel. Meaning, he needs them to worship him. His 1st 3 wives did that but only to a degree. Robyn was raised by a mother who was treated like "the other woman" and she taught her to worship a man to keep him. Because Robyn knows how to worship him and make him feel like the god he thinks he is, THAT is why he feels like he has never loved anyone until Robyn. He is obsessed with how she makes him feel. If that ever chnages, he will be just as cruel to her. He has done the same thing to his kids
Meri found someone on line who told her what she wanted and needed to hear. We have to remember stupid was her one and only, her first kiss, and .... I don't believe she dated she was a shy kid and along comes happy pants to set her world on fire. Was it an affair? I am torn, Kody left her bed and he left her mentally way before she was on line reaching out to people. So again was it an affair? I say no, and rumblings are Robin was sort of behind all of the mess or at least knew of what was going on, and did nothing. If you care about someone and see they are in pain you reach out you don't throw the anvil when they are falling.
It was Robyn's friend who did the catfishing, who I believe was a part of one episode. Even if Robyn wasn't directly involved, the friend got access to Meri through Robyn. And, Robyn stayed friends with this person even after she did that to Mari.
My ex husband had an emotional affair with someone and later a sexual affair, with a different person. I can say first hand the emotional affair was just as devastating. I found months of messages with very sexual discussions & evidence that he had been lying about where he was going when he was seeing her. The only reason it didn’t develop into a physical affair was the fact that I don’t think she was as into him as he as into her & I discovered the messages by accident (we shared a computer) before anything happened. I insisted we go to therapy if he wanted to stay in our relationship, we both went individually and together & he said all the right things for me to agree that stay together, but if I’m honest I still doubted he was being 100% honest & if we hadn’t had a young child at the time I probably would have separated from him. Three years later he announced to me one night that he was leaving. My Father had died 3 weeks before after being diagnosed with cancer just 8 weeks prior. I was very close to my Dad, so it was a huge shock & heartbreaking, but our daughter, who was only 11 at the time was not coping well at all. She and my Dad were like soul mates, he saw her virtually every day of her life and they adored each other. I already had her seeing a Psychologist because a once very emotional child just shut down, she didn’t cry, refused to talk about Dad at all and withdrew into herself. So the timing of his ‘mid life crisis’ (he had just turned 50) was inconceivable to me, how he could prioritise his needs (he just wasn’t happy) I just couldn’t understand. So my daughter lost her two most important male role models within 3 weeks. Long story short he denied anyone else being involved, that of course was a lie, he was having an affair with our daughters horse riding instructor (who was 25 years younger than him & someone our daughter considered a friend) and at the time that he left she was already 4 months pregnant. I won’t bore anyone with the whole story but both affairs were devastating. Having your partner sneak around with someone else & speaking to them in a sexual way is very damaging whether they actually go through with the deed or not. My daughter is doing well now (it’s 4 years later now), she still sees her Psychologist regularly and it took a lot of time & eventually medication as well as therapy but she a fantastic young lady. Unfortunately her Father has chosen to see her only 3 times in the last 4 years despite living 5 minutes away, sadly that is his loss. An affair is a huge betrayal of trust no matter how it manifests, in my opinion Meri absolutely had an affair (google Meri catfish) and there are recordings of sexual conversations & a disturbing act with a banana, so she has definitely reframed that event, but Cody had left that relationship long before that so I don’t blame Meri 100% for what happened.
There were several days between the moment Kody said "I picked the dress" and Janelle's response from the 30,000ft perspective. Christine has said that when she walked off camera in that scene, she wasn't able to go back for several days. They are all wearing the same clothing, but they were actually resuming filming days later. Just FYI.
Allison brings up an excellent point about who Robyn knew first. Thinking back to their book, Robyn was in the AUB too, but lived in Southern Utah. David Preston Jessop (the one that threw Robyn's "purity" on the ground 🙄) is related to Christine and Kody. Robyn's aunt Reba lived in Northern Utah near the Brown family and attended the same church, I belive. Robyn met Kody and Meri at Reba's house. I think Robyn knew of the Brown family then ditched her husband when word of the TV show got around.
@@MM-yh2mi Gloria Jessop owned the Lehi house from 1998-2006 the Brown family owned it from 2007-2016. I cannot confirm the relationship between Gloria and David (Preston), but wouldn't be surprised if they were related.
As for related, in some of these polygamous families there are like 30 to 100 kids. Children don't even know their siblings. Don't know the sizes of Christine's and David Jessups families but there used to be nothing to say they were close or knew much. They keep this stuff so secret.
Part of the catfish thing is how threatening Jackie can be. Meri was afraid of how closely she was being tracked early on. Jackie's other victims were afraid too. I think that alone makes it harder to tell how Meri actually felt because she was being manipulated into saying and doing things that she didn't want to do.
Exactly...she couldn't figure out how the catfisher knew where she was, what she was doing...didn't she say he told her what clothes she was wearing.? So...ms Robun was feeding information. Funny how that was glossed over
Yes all they say is Sobyn Crybrows knew a friend who knew the catfisher. Bull because like it was stated how did he/she know what store Meri was at, what she was wearing, what isle she was in. It's all cuz of Sobyn Crybrows, and then she was telling Kotex Noodlehead all about it. Who knows because all those women were nieve. So Meri freaked out. Thought he/she would harm the kids. (From what I've read he/she knew what school they were in and other things).
Regarding Mari and the cheating, one of ROBYN'S FRIENDS was direct messaging Mari, pretending to be a handsome man who was interested in her, and sending her explicit messages. Then Mari found out who it really was and was really hurt because she had been catfished. No one addresses it, but Mari insinuated that Robyn had something to do with it. At the very least, the friend got access to Mari through Robyn. It was a huge betrayal by Robyn.
Robyn liked the fact that he betrayed them for her !!! When "He picked the dress" Robyn even says she asked him not to tell them, when she totally knew he would !!!
Meri was definitely having an emotional affair with someone who was catfishing her online. I think she refuses to call it an affair because it never became physical. But there are voicemails and photos of her online to the catfisher that show it was obviously sexually charged and romantic. And she went to Disney thinking she was finally going to meet them in person, but it was the catfisher using her true persona as a woman that met her, and she lied and said she was the guy’s friend. I think that if the catfisher had really been a man and had truly loved Meri, she would’ve been long gone from Kody and the family. And I would’ve loved that for her
I think you are so on point! I think too , Meri would've been gone had the catfish situation worked out . I am so rooting for her to meet her soul mate and get the love she deserves.
And because the catfish turned out to be a woman instead of a man she thinks it wasn't cheating.... She went looking for love outside of her marriage- that is cheating. Just because she is a female she doesn't get let off the hook. She plays innocent she knows what she did
Saying Kody didn't know what love was until he met Robyn is crazy. He still doesn't know what love is. What he has with Robyn is so far from love. He loves that she explains aways his behavior by suggesting some underlying hurt that caused him to do/say whatever he did. She not only enables & reinforces his behavior, she makes him think he is better person. She's like the foundation for his self-confidence that he would crumble without.
I think he loved them. If I Imagine the different people I have dated and broken up with. I have loved them in different ways. I honestly think Robyn and Kody are just compatible because she molds herself into what she wants. My gut feeling is their relationship will break down ones everyone leaves..
I agree David! I remember watching the beginning of this series when I myself, was engaged. I remember thinking, "That dude is completely besotted with Robyn! There's no way he feels like that about the other three." I remember feeling so bad for Meri in particular who seemed so wounded by everything he did. It seemed so obvious that the other wives were going to fall behind once he brought this new wife in. Over time, I think he became more and more comfortable letting the facade slip.
I always look forward to y'all reactions, Doc you are awesome but I love your beautiful wife's reaction 😂 she rocks she says what we all are thinking. I loved when you heard Robin say I would have backed off 😂😂😂
I think he's lying now too. Kody's OG wives have left him & this is his way of sticking the knife in(not the kidneys) by saying we'll I never loved you anyway. It's Kody's way of dealing with his hurt by hurting back. You can see by they way he looks at the OG3 In early episodes that he did love them & they loved him & his catering pack 🤭😄
Consider the situation of the family at the time Kody and Robyn got pregnant with Solomon ... - Family just uprooted from Lehi UT - No parents have found employment in NV yet - Janell had cashed out her retirement so the family had funds to live on during the transition - The family was still adjusting to the addition of a new Mom and three children. And cut the teenagers some slack. It's a challenging time of growth/maturing, even without all those additional pressures. My husband is the youngest of ten children. I have heard stories from his older siblings that they were concerned when they found out their mother was expecting again. Because she was 44 and they were a family of very modest means. That was a reasonable response.
Finally I agree with you Pop Psych! 😄 I absolutely agree that Kody felt there was a level of familial love for the OG3, but it wasn’t a true romantic connection. He was doing his duty, doing what he thought a good husband would do. I imagine their dating pool is extremely small, so he was going with what he felt was the best of his options. He even admitted to holding hands and doing boyfriend behavior with girls he didn’t really feel a connection with. I also agree that Robyn is grieving. She didn’t want to be the only wife, she wanted to be the favorite. She wanted their income and audience for holidays and birthdays. She also wanted them for their religious requirements for heaven.
I agree with you on the realization that it wasn't love like he has now. That he now realizes the difference. HOWEVER he is acting like he knew all along and is now trying to use it as a weapon to inflict pain wherever he can. He is abusive and needs to be removed.
I’ve thought for YEARS that Robyn was histrionic! I’ve heard that she has a profound spending addiction that was instrumental in the demise of her first marriage. I think that her husband left HER and she rewrote history. Kody and Robyn began publicly shaming and disparaging her ex husband on TLC. Christine KNEW Robyn because Robyn’s first husband is her cousin and the family had loaned them money(30,000)to rescue them from credit card debt that she had secretly amassed. Then Robyn spent THAT money TOO instead of paying off the debt. Christine was in the “know” about Robyn’s baggage. By the time she was told about the courtship, she realized that Kody was in love with her. It must have been hell for Christine. I don’t think Robyn EVER loved that family. She was in it for herself and her children…nothing else!!! Really what has she done to help anyone or contribute to the family? In contrast, look at what she has taken. She never worked, they paid off all her debts. She hasn’t sacrificed anything!!!
She was in it for herself for sure, but I don’t think she was in it first her children. She is horribly cruel to her children, twisting events to make them thing their brothers and sisters don’t like them. Like when she told the girls that the siblings didn’t want to get together with them. Or in the clip saying they weren’t happy about Solomon (sol wasn’t even born). She uses her children and manipulates them. You are so right she is so selfish!
He was at least 21 when he got married because he served an LDS mission. They serve 2 years and they didn’t go until 19. Now it’s 18. But then it was 19.
I believe that Kody convinced everyone to sell their Las Vegas homes because he wanted more control over the money. Each wife owned her own home in Las Vegas except Meri. She and Kody bought her home together. The four lots on Coyote Pass were purchased with one sister wife and Kody on each of the deeds. He went from owning half the equity in Meri's Las Vegas home to owning half of everything in Flagstaff. Not only did he enrich himself, he gained power over everything. Each wife now has to work with him in order to do anything on with their lot on Coyote Pass. When he and Robyn bought their million dollar house in Flagstadd (with most of the proceeds from the sale of the other wive's Vegas homes) he gained control over even more of the "family money." I think this was always the plan.
I think Kody always lies. Then and now. He loved his OG wives, then he fell 'in lust' with Robyn and abandoned the OG 3. He does NOT know how to love or what love even is. He only truly loves himself.
I've heard the tapes of Meri taking to the catfish. Meri insults Kody deeply. She says to the catfish that he is SO much better looking than Kody, that he's taller - that he's better in every way than Kody. That bruised Kody's ego and Kody never forgave that.
The other thing about the kid’s reaction is they are old enough to understand the financial implications of bringing in another child. They had a lot of financial insecurity before the show. Also, the younger kids were dumped on the older kids. That’s what happens in these large polygamous families.
It’s kind of hard to believe Kody would go through the family tension caused by marrying his brother-in-law’s wife if he wasn’t in love with her at the time.
And they were never allowed to speak up because it would get labelled as jealousy and good sister wives aren't supposed to get jealous. Such an unreasonable expectation.
I think it’s hilarious that the man with one legal wife and three never lovers feels betrayed by his first never lover legal wife that he divorced to marry his last forever lover and he is forever angry that his first legal never lover exwife that he kicked to the curb is trying to find a forever side lover, while asking him to remain in her never lover family.
7:20 Kody’s world: If he WANTS to be involved, then its important. If he doesn’t “want” it, then it’s irrelevant. HE didn’t care what the other women wore or thought or felt.
Kody was 21 when he married 19-year-old Meri. He was 24 when he married Janelle (who was approaching 24), and 25 when he married Christine (who was almost 22).
Robyn is grieving all right. She’s grieving the loss of money, attention, the 75% Kody free time, and having other wives (and older children like Mykelti) to pawn unfun chores on.
I know at one point there was an interview with Hunter at the time who said something to the extent of "I think we are struggling to manage with the number of kids we have now." Super telling.
I think Christine had to act like she liked Robyn because she had to her for her survival. If she didnt Kody wouldnt give her any attention and would punish her.
Christine ALWAYS told the truth about that..10.times over said, I'm jealous, Kody should never have favorites, etc. Stayed true to the end and was right, to boot!
I'm kinda with you on the "Did Kody love them?" thing. I think it's fair to assume that in their culture/religion, they don't really have romantic love so his expectations were perhaps different. Maybe he fell into romantic love with Robyn. But if this is the case, he should have had the decency to sit the other wives down and tell them their relationships were over, instead of stringing them along for years and years. On the other hand, his reactions are pretty big for someone who didn't love them. There's also the whole question of, can a narcissistic person actually love. I think the kids had that reaction because they had lived through food insecurity and poverty.
Christine has said she asked Kody to tuck the kids into bed when she worked third shift and he said no. She said that left Aspyn in fifth grade putting her younger kids to bed! If you watch the beginning years you see the eldest kids like Logan and Aspyn helping to raise the younger kids and babies. I think the lackluster reaction is because they have kids raising kids and they spent their younger years in poverty. Not only that but they just fled Utah to Las Vegas and kids were not happy leaving their home and being apart in rentals. The timing was terrible. I will also take it a step farther and say look at the eldest kids now… Logan and Aspyn do not have kids of their own despite long standing relationships turned marriages. I think they know how much work raising kids are because their raised their siblings. They are in no rush to immediately do that again.
Kody wasn't in love with the 3 original wives, but he thought he was, then he really fell in love with R, now he says he didn't love them cause he knows he feels different. He is both lying and telling the truth then & now
I’m sure he’s probably heard it somewhere but refuses to acknowledge it because it doesn’t fit with what he wanted to do at that moment and for him his whims are his norm.
He doesn't really know what love is. More excitement & lust toward Robyn in like the mid life crisis. He didnt really know Robyn....he just loved the instant connection. Is that real true love ?
here's my confusion. I have always thought that Kody was a narcissist. But Robyn is an even bigger narcissist. She love-bombed Kody. She de-valued Janelle and Christine from the start. Meri was her flying Monkey. She saw the $ that TLC brought in and she went for it. She's pissed off because everyone's walked away and she's stuck with Kody, who is no longer the prize. Look at her reaction to Christine and David's wedding. The attention that Christine is getting is really bringing out the narcissist in Robyn. I look forward to Meri finding love. And hope that Janelle follows a path to happiness minus Kody. Okay, so explain why Robyn isn't a narc? I'm curious. Please...
Kody also had pretty much ended their relationship already at that point. In reality they weren’t married and Kody had 2 other spiritual wives and a legal wife.
Kody's need to constantly minimize his relationship with these other woman is so destructive to what they devoted and committed their lives to for so many years. He makes it sound like he would prefer that he had never met any of them or had a relationship with any of them, including not having children with them. All just to please Robin. I can't imagine how this makes these ladies and their children feel.. It's so damaging.. A true narcissist, hurting others to satisfy his ego. He clearly doesn't understand how his words will never be forgotten by them or maybe he does and his lack of empathy gives him satisfaction.
I think the answer is David loves Christine BETTER than Krody ever did. One man can not love 3 women equally or fully. So he puts loving himself above all.
I think I agree with you both! Kody was young and hormonal and real excited about getting to marry 3 women and I think he loved them and the kids they raised as best as a narcissist can love. Then when he met Robyn he felt something more intense, but I do not think it’s true love I think it’s just an even more intense version of narcissism. She was young and pretty and physically fit and treated him like her “best customer” and this fueled his narcissism more than ever before so this felt like love. The test will be what happens next. They are miserable, she is older now than the OG3 were when he started dating Robyn. She is not exactly a trophy wife at this point. How will the two of them fare when the TLC money dried up? Will the magic fade?
I agree with you (not Alison) that Kody ‘thought’ he was in love with his wives. He was young, inexperienced and naive at that time and married before even getting to know them properly. later in life he met Robyn, spent more time courting her and it knocked him sideways. He finally understood what real love was. From that point forward he totally dropped the ball in terms of the other wives and the family and his true narcissistic personality emerged as he could see them all ‘getting in the way’ of his happiness. They all just became a burden, surplus to requirements but because of his faith he couldn’t just leave as he would be shamed by his community. So he just shut down and neglected them all until THEY had to walk away, then he could blame them, with his conscience clear, saying to his community - do you see how bad these woman were at being sister wives and how disrespectful these children are.
Ok, so as far as info on SW, without a crystal ball has had some good stuff... But you two are by far my favorite source, more so than the actual SW show. Your love and banter is awesome, and the psychological viewpoint you bring to the table is my favorite. I am constantly trying to learn new things about mental health so I can deal with myself and my relationships in a better way, and videos like yours are an excellent, fun way to learn some of that! Also, I love that your wife is in these bc she's a funny lady! 😜
Robyn is not grieving. She can't watch it because she knows she was at fault for destroying this family. Who was more at fault, Kody or Robyn, it doesn't matter, they both did it! It's like forcing a drunk person who killed someone with their car, to look at the body they hit when they were drunk, now they are sober. They cannot look!!
Hi David, I don’t know if anyone else has answered your question regarding the catfish, but I have been following this family since the beginning. When the catfish incident happened 10 years ago, there were voicemails and text messages that were released to the public by the catfish, Jacky. In this released information, there were very sensual conversations, some photos, including one famous photo of Meri being very intimate with a banana, and some general hearsay. The take away at the time was that it was indeed an affair. If Jacky had indeed been the person she claimed to be - a handsome successful businessman pining over Meri - there was no doubt in anyone’s mind that Meri would’ve up and left. Meri was so close to leaving that she hinted at it on an episode. I’m dusting the cobwebs off my mind, but I believe the episode was when they went to Alaska - someone correct me if I’m wrong. Back in those days AI wasn’t a thing yet. So keep this in mind. Additionally, text editing and deletion was also not a thing yet. So the legitimacy of the leaked conversations and visuals were not edited in anyway. I don’t know if this content is still available online. This was before sister wives had a sub-Reddit and several TH-cam vlogs following the show. Back then there were various forums, remember those? I’m aging myself here 😂 The main forum has since been archived. Gosh, I don’t remember the name of it, but it covered many reality shows from TLC, bravo, etc. There was also a popular offshoot called CJ‘s living room. I used to contribute quite a bit to that one. Especially during the cul-de-sac building days because I lived in Las Vegas at the time and had access to blueprints and such that I shared online. Anyway, if anyone can remember that forum’s name, we might be able to Google it and dig through to find the photos that the psych is looking for. Edit to add: the other blog was TWOP
Robyn went wedding dress shopping with a married man behind his wives back. Robun was spending time and kissingba married man. They did something wrong.
He had to convince America that he loved all of them and it was a healthy lifestyle. Not only did he have general haters to woo but also the law. Plus he’s good with little kids not teens. The family dream was easier then with little kids that obeyed and adored him with no questions. Robyn def threw things off.
She had a relationship on line. I started watching this from the day her and 'Sam' started talking publicly on Twitter. There is a group of people who would warn people about 'Sam' being Jackie. They tried to warn her multiple times. She didnt listen. She was head over heels for Sam. She tried to meet up with him, but there would be excuses why he didnt show, but Jackie would show up in his place, as his assistant🤦 Of he were real she wouldve left. It didnt help that Kendra (Robyns BFF) teamed up with the catfish. Kendra told Meri she met Sam in person and he was indeed real. She trusted Kendra over the group trying to warn her. Thats why alot of us think Robyn had to be involved atleast on some level. What would Kendra get out of deceiving Meri?!?! None of it made sense. At any rate just from the pictures, letters and voicemails, as well as what she would publicly tweet to 'Sam' convinced me she was falling for him hard. **Before anyone says Jackie could have faked alot of the voicemails etc. I get that, but there is still overwhelming evidence just coming from Meri alone. She dragged that catfish story out by talking about it for almost 3 seasons because she was hurt.
The perfectly primed, desperate, emotionally immature bait, indeed. And now she's a somewhat infamous divorcee of means, for some letch to take for a fool...MAAAAAN.and YiKeS!
I agree w you psych. He thought and acted following what his community and church taught him too but when he met Robyn it did change to a deeper feeling.
Hmmmm raging hormones. I was 15 and my boyfriend was 17. Yes, the hormones were active, but we weren’t idiots. Now we have both retired. He is 67 and I’m deciding if I plan to recognize 65🤭Fifty years later, we are still hot for each other and I haven’t had estrogen for years. Feeling love and expressing it isn’t just hormones….it is the reward for working on our relationship throughout the decades. We have been married for 44 years, but I honestly think of him as my “boyfriend.” Was Kody ever a boyfriend? A boy/man that cared about his partner. I’m not sure that any male in polygamy can bond that way with more than one partner.
“Sucks the energy out of the room.” Literally the perfect definition of Robyn.
Robyn is like the human version of Eeyore. 😂
My buddy lives in Flag and has seen her around. She doesn't add or subtract energy at all, she's invisible and irrelevant. No one cares about her at all. I think that's why she's so invested in the show, she's worthless otherwise.
Robyn is that SNL character Debbie Downer! Meri is Eyore, Robyn is Cruella Deville, and Christine is Cinderella.
What's janelle
I may be alone in my thought here but it has always bothered me that Truly has never been a priority in Kody's life. Her birth was overshadowed by Robyn's wedding, now Kody further minimized Truly by taking away her unique status in the family by saying, "Truly wont be the little one anymore" when announcing Robyn's pregnancy.I know Truly was too young to feel the effect of the removal of that designation, but it just screamed to me that Truly is now even less important in kody's life than she was. Why couldn't kody just say that robyn was pregnant? Why did he have to diminish Truly in the announcement?
Ordinarily it wouldn't bother me about announcing an upcoming birth, but I just feel that Truly has just ALWAYS gotten so completely overlooked by Kody.
Thank you! I watched SW on the first episode premiere and ended up pregnant with my daughter in 2011. She was born the first week of 2012, so she is a year younger than Truly. She is actually very much like Truly as well, not physical resemblance, but in personality and attitude. Truly has always had a special place in my ❤ with the circumstances (especially after the bike lessons from hell episode)!
@@blu3622 I agree. That bike episode just reinforced how disconnected Kody was from Truly. Imo, his approach just made Truly more upset.
I thought I was the only one who felt this way! Watching now, the wedding episodes and all, Truly seems SO lost. It breaks my heart. Idk that David can fix the damage Kody has done. Hopfully he showers her w fatherly love and understanding.
He almost caused her death with neglect too when Christine and the girls took a trip and left Truly at home to his care. She ended up becoming very ill, almost dying in the hospital,
@@HH-rs9my you're absolutely right. My heart goes out to that poor child. She has been treated as an afterthought by kody, her entire life. I'm.so thrilled to see her being given respect and responsibility at Christine's wedding.
Sir, Robin is not grieving. She is acting for our benefit. Everything that happened is exactly what she wanted. She is one of the most manipulative and cunning people I've ever seen in my life. Even Kody doesn't realise that he is currently being manipulated by her.
Histrionic PD maybe trumps narcissistic.
Truth 😆. There's not a person I don't think except David who doesn't see it. I think it's because David hasn't seen many episodes and hasn't been invested because so he doesn't know the history so well. But there is lies upon lies upon lies and you can see that just from the history of the show It's been recorded
Exactly what I have thought about Robin. She lies all the time which is proven by her contradicting statements and video clips. She lies when she pretends that she's devastated or that her marriage is suffering.
It's really interesting when people claim to know the inner emotional lives of people they only have a parasocial relationship with, on a psychology focused channel, and don't recognize how distorted their perceptions are. Hypothesis? Sure. Certainty? Nah.
Robyn is not grieving! Why do you fall for her antics so often?
“He’s such an asshole.” Best. Line. Ever. 😂
She fell in love with the fact they were going to be on TLC.....
Definitely
And the fact she could be a stay at home hoarder and still not work.
Absolutely!
Exactly!! And the money that came with it!
Robyn said that the kids didn't accept Sol. It isn't as if they saw him as a baby and rejected him. They weren't excited that she was having a baby. Those are two different things.
100% on point!
Even the anthropology student from past seasons mentioned directly to Robyn how much one on one time Kody was spending with Sol compared to the other kids.
What everyone fails to take into account with Christine's reaction to the wedding dress is.... she was a few months postpartum at this point. Her hormones and emotional state are trying to regulate after giving birth. Surprise, surprise - she had a negative reaction to being misled by her husband and new sister wife!
Why they may be forgetting is because it doesn't matter. Anyone could feel that way and a majority probably would. It was a betrayal and Kody is an ass and crazy.
But I don't feel bad that they got all the bad luck from seeing the wife in the wedding dress before the wedding. Even if technically it wasn't the exact dress and one was ordered. I still think it counts.
Not that I believe in luck.
Thank u. Literally no one has acknowledged her postpartum or the pregnancy while dating Robyn
For real, I was so crazy with hormones during my pregnancy, and after. I got jealous of pictures my husband had of ex girlfriends! It seems insane to me now 13 years later, but at the time I had a post partum meltdown 🫠
Agreed ladies. That is a very sensitive time for a new mother, that’s why it’s called the 4th trimester. Even women who didn’t have hormone issues can be cruel about it. Just because it didn’t happen to you doesn’t mean other moms are weak or making it up.
Be grateful you didn’t have hormone problems and be supportive!
If the catfish had been a real person I think Mary would have left the family earlier. I think it would've been a lot healthier for Mary than how she spent the last decade
Well I mean why should she be staying nobody seems to like her there including Cody I think the only one that was kind of nice to her sometimes was Robin but then Robin wouldn't even let her kids be around Mary so. Even Mary's own child was not nice to her so. I don't know why everybody says there's a problem with Mary because to me it seem like everybody else was bullying Mary In a way but we don't know what goes on when cameras are off
She was having an emotional relationship. She needs to be honest with herself. If she never admits that then she will always be a victim to that catfish situation
@@beekeeper11 Generally speaking the concept of "emotional relationships" is BS to begin with. It's just an excuse for people to be emotionally and intelletually immature and jealous of their partner for no reason.
In Meri's case nothing happened other than a criminal stranger lying to her and pretending to be someone else. Her having feelings for an imaginary being like "Sam the man" is not a betrayl of any sorts, lmao.
The catfish was a setup. Robyn and her best friend set meri up the cat fish was Robyn's best friends cousin.
18:00 Meri was very lonely and suffering alone. She was looking for a real connection with a man, and unfortunately she found that catfish. That’s why Kody took some of the blame when he discussed the issue with Leon. She had an emotional affair, and I think she would have left that family if Sam had been a real person. I think Meri was struggling before Robyn came into the family.
The children didn't rejoice when Robin got pregnant because KODY DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR THEM AS IT WAS.
And by then, they already knew that Robyn was taking up most of his TIME.
Kody goes on about Christine and Janelle taking his kids away and bad mouthing him, when him and Robyn did it to her older children's Dad and take away his parental rights..
It's hypocrisy at its finest,
Those 2 are immune to irony!
The catfish thing: definitely an emotional affair, although it never got physical because the guy didn't actually exist. HOWEVER - I've always been willing to cut Meri some slack on this one, because the catfisher knew the family. It was someone who was familiar with the situation with Meri (the fact that she divorced Kody so Robyn could marry him/get the kids adopted, etc). They knew she was depressed and unhappy, and they basically used that information to tell her everything she ever wanted to hear from a romantic partner. And given her ONLY romantic partner up until that point had been Kody, and how he pretty much emotionally abandoned her the second Robyn came into the picture (if not before), is it really any wonder she fell for it? I feel horrible for Meri, because this lady that decided to pull the catfish was basically just pulling the strings on Meri when she was at her lowest. I can't really blame Meri for emotionally turning from Kody, because frankly he emotionally turned on her long before that.
100. You nailed it. Completely agree
And the catfisher is still catfishing.
You cannot convince me Robyn wasn't directly 8nvolved with setting Meri up
Having been, not catfished, but in a similar situation being caught up in a relationship online, there comes a point when you have to be honest with yourself and admit that even an emotional relationship is a dishonesty. I had to leave the group I was in when I realized this is what was happening. Meri can feel like a victim because the person she was communicating with was lying, but the fact that she initially continued the relationship means that she was making a choice -even if she denied it to herself then. She has to confess that even if it's to herself.
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Yes, I do think Christine would say she is more in love with David than she ever was with Kody. But I also think she would never, ever say, "I never was in love with Kody." That's what Kody's doing, and it's revisionist BS.
Yes! Saying "I never loved you anyway" when a relationship ends is teenagery bullcrap. Most people eventually grow up and realize that just because the person you are NOW wouldn't be in love with that ex, that does NOT mean the person you were then wasn't in love with them. It's perfectly valid to say "at the time, I believed I felt that way". Insisting you never loved them at all is so immature and pathetic.
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Exactly
THIS!
Two things: 1) In all the seasons of Sister Wives, Kody never had six pack abs. 😂 2) Robyn said if she ever saw favoritism she would have stopped it. If so, why did she take Kody to pick out her wedding dress? Her solution to the favoritism was to keep it from the other wives, not stop it. Love and look forward to your videos! Please keep them coming.
My thoughts exactly on all points.
And whybdid she 'need' a 11 day honeymoon 😡 That was so weird..
He was lying then. He’s a narcissist. He only cares about himself. Robyn gives him the best narcissistic fuel. But he doesn’t love her. She doesn’t love him. It’s mutual using each other and self delusion.
I get what you're saying. But I do think they really do love each other. And that's why it ended up the way it has
I agree, they only truly care about themselves.
As a Catholic, I see a lot of large monogamous families and I can tell you that a lot of tween and teen children get upset when they find out there is another baby is on the way. The older children realize they are going to have to provide more care for their siblings with a new baby in the house. The tweens are embarrassed because now all of their friends will know that their parents are still “doing it.” It can be awkward. I have a friend who was the second oldest of 14 ( actually, there had been 16 children, but two died as infants.). She was pretty cool with everything, but her older sister moved out of state for college and swore she’d never have any kids. Another friend is the oldest of nine. She was appalled by the arrival of the last two of her siblings and capped her own family at two. The reaction of the older teens was perfectly normal for their age and rational adults understand that and immediately forgive a less than enthusiastic response to the news. The wonderful thing is that these friends who struggled with the size of their families also loved and cherished those younger siblings once they arrived on the scene. While they weren’t thrilled with the announcement that they were coming, they are the first to admit they love the younger sibling and are grateful for what that sibling brings to the family. Robyn has stated she was very upset by Hunter’s reaction when her pregnancy was announced ( and many fans feel she still holds it against him). But I remember footage of him holding Solomon with a look of awe on his face once he was born. I think Aspyn loves Truely, but I seem to recall Christine once mentioning that she was less than thrilled when she first found out Truely was on the way. Both Aspyn and Logan were parentalized very early in their lives…I think their initial less than p,eased reaction is understandable. As for Leon, they were at an age to recognize how a new pregnancy caused their mother pain, so their lack of enthusiasm is also justified. Robyn needs to look at the big picture and let go of her “hurt.” The other wives and the littles were excited…that was better than she should have expected.
I am one of nine kids....Yup. I never had any kids of my own.
Very good point. An outlook at hasn't considered, I was just thinking about how they knew money was stretched pretty thin and they didn't get a good diet as it was, but the thought of more kids/ babies for them to take care of, that would certainly make anyone pause.
Yes, and Robyn is too self-centered to realize any of this. There is nothing to forgive the kids for, but she's worked so hard to forgive and obviously still hasn't! The woman lives in her own fantasy land!
Well-stated. 💯 %.
EXACTLY! My daughters were 14 and 15 when I remarried (had been widow for ten years) and had two more. They were appalled and nasty about it. But they loved the babies once they were there and now as the kids are about to graduate from high school (and one older girl just had her first baby) they apologize to me a lot about how they acted. But they were kids. Robyn is butt hurt over the way these kids acted, yet at the time tried to be their best friend (sometimes undermining their moms). Not impressed by Robyn's mothering abilities at all, and also, hey David, what do you think about a five year old with a pacifier?
Robyn saying she has to work to forgive the CHILDREN for not being excited that they will get even less time with their father, and will have another kid they have to help out with is the height of her insane selfishness. And seriously, was this her first time meeting TEENAGERS?? What teen is going to be excited that their dad's new wife is pregnant?
They knew they were all going to be asked to step up parenting the younger ones even further. On top of getting even less time /attention with Kody
No, she's grieving she's the victim.
Robin is petty AF in that situation!
I doubt the other mom made big announcements when each new baby was going to be born
Those of us who are a bit older know that our definition of love (both given & received) can change. That does not require us to redefine the love(s) of our youth as to negate their ever having been "love". Most importantly, doing so when children came out of that or those relationships is cruel.
My second marriage is far different than my 1st relationship. It would never occur to me to claim I never loved my childrens' father after proclaiming it for 20 years. I changed. We changed. The things & emotions I have experienced with my husband are cherished. I can say the same about my ex without diminishing my present.
Excellent!! Very well said. I’ve loved 4 completely different people in my life (male and female). Every relationship was different with different feelings and levels of love. But….I Loved each one. From my first love and the father of my children who later I divorced to my last love who I love and am in a committed relationship but haven’t even lived with or have had sex with for many many years.
Exactly!
This! I'm in a very, very happy second marriage. It's completely different than my first marriage but the fact that I love my current husband more and differently doesn't negate the fact that I loved my ex.
I think Kody is so emotionally stunted that he can't understand that being in love looks different in every relationship.
Narcs do not know what love is. They know what they want from you to make them feel good. So it’s all conditional. If you don’t give them their supply, you’ll pay. I believe Kody feels he never did “love” them bc he just collected these women to fulfill his wants and needs. Robyn triggered something else..maybe
The whole dress debacle “triggers” me, it wasn’t about the dress (or jealousy), it was about Robyn leading the og3 to believe she wanted to include them and wanted their opinion and then went behind their back and went with Kody to pick out her dress. Not only that but she wanted to keep that secret from the wives. What Janelle said was on target, it wasn’t real that they were being included.
Its always behind your back with Robin , Cody and Meri too. Im leaving the pity party for Meri as of now . Meri went with Cody in pursuit of Robin behind the other wives backs . She knowingly and willinglly aided him in doing it. Even gleefully.in my opinion until it turned around and bit her in the butt
Agree 100 🎉
You may be thinking of Meri, who was 19 when she married Kody. Kody was 21 when he married Meri, 24 when he married Janelle (who was 23 at the time), 25 when he married Christine (who was 21 at the time), and 41 when he married Robyn (who was 31 at the time). It’s still SUPER young and fast-three marriages over the span of four years, and before, as Robyn would point out, his frontal lobe was fully developed. 😂
Not the frontal lobe. 😂 Nice callback!
I came here to say this. Kody and Janelle were both born in 1969, Meri was born in 1971, Christine was born in 1972, Robyn in 1978. It's annoying that they all say Robyn is "10 years younger" no, she's 9 years younger than Kody and Janelle, 7 years younger than Meri and only 6 years younger than Christine. Not to mention the fact that the OG3 pretty much look younger than Robs now. Robyn's kids are also basically the same age as the OG13 kids, Dayton was 10 when Ko-Ro got together, he was a preteen. Only 4 of Janelle's kids are older than Dayton, Christine only has 3 kids older than Dayton and Savanah and Truely are younger than both of Rob's oldest girls.
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Actually, Cody was 39 when when he married Robyn so was Jenelle Meri was 37 and Christine was 35 so no one was 40
Right because he went on a mission at 19. That was the age missionaries went at that time.
The older kids had known poverty, need & not getting enough time, support, money, food, etc. The little kids mostly know life after TLC & having money to live on. That’s why they’re so ready to dismiss them both. The OG moms held it down. What a tragic family.
Plus, I bet they are thinking they'll be expected to help parent the new siblings.
“And now she’s stuck with ramen noodle” 😂😂😂😂😂
Best line ever 😂
I can't fathom how you don't see Robyn as the narcissist here. She cares even less about other people's feelings than Kody does, her actions, reactions and feelings go beyond selfishness, she's histrionic and narcissistic in every way. She's literally holding a grudge against CHILDREN for not being excited that she was pregnant when months before they were having to eat stale bread because their parents couldn't afford to feed them, she has zero empathy, then she discusses what a "good person" she is for forgiving these children for their lack of enthusiasm, but she didn't actually forgive them, she brings this up every chance she gets. The fact alone that she was living in a mansion, that Janelle paid for, while Janelle and her "daughter" Savanna were sleeping in a cold RV on a mountain, basically homeless, as Rob's was able to go about her life and sleep at night, in her mansion full of stuff, tells you everything you need to know about Robs. That mansion is enormous and even has a basement apartment but Robs didn’t offer the apartment to Janelle. It's also striking how much your wife looks like Atlantis Morissette.
I know!!! It’s like he has Robyn blindness.
Robyn saying that about the kids shows her extreme lack of maturity and understanding. They were kids! She shouldn't have held onto that or have ever mentioned it to Kody because he's also immature and they would both take it as some great offense instead of just giving the kids time and grace.
It takes some kids more time than others to accept and be comfortable with big changes. She wanted them to be excited about her and a new baby so she could feel good instead of having any empathy for them.
She makes herself look petty and immature when she could've handled it with grace and just never said anything about how the kids' reactions affected her. Teens can't be expected to have the perfect responses or know how to fake it just for Robyn's selfish needs.
I didn't understand all the "Robyn is a narcissist" comments until I looked to the description of covert narcissism and it describes her to a T. The constant victimhood as a way to manipulate others and the histrionic reactions... Wow.
There is a difference between demonstrating narcissistic tendencies from time to time (which every human being does by the way) and being an actual narcissist. This guy is an actual psychologist. I’d imagine he understands the nuances a lot more than viewers.
Because society treats women like Robyn as a victim. Especially men, they just can't get their heads around how truly awful women can be.
The catfish situation was absolutely an emotional affair. As someone who watched the show from the beginning, and saw it play out in real time and read everything that came out online about it, there is no question that Meri was seriously considering leaving Kody if “Sam” had been real. She left him voicemails where she is sweet talking “him”, saying I love you, and reassuring him that he’s more of a man than Kody would ever be. Not to mention the suggestive banana picture she sent him. On the show, she became very withdrawn from the family, and much of the footage of her is just her alone, sitting at her computer and checking her phone. She didn’t even pretend to engage with the family, for the show’s sake or anything. On their Alaska trip, she told them she might just be gone one day. Leon was living with her during all of this, and I think Leon knew exactly what Meri was doing, and Leon told Meri it was a catfish. Leon even went with Meri to Disney with the catfish herself, who pretended to be Sam’s friend, and let them know Sam was too busy to be there. Leon tried to warn Meri multiple times that this was a fake situation. I think this is why Leon and Meri had such a bad relationship for so long. Meri refused to take accountability for actually participating in an emotional affair, she just claimed to be victimized by this person she befriended. When it all came out that Meri was being catfished, for whatever reason, maybe to save the show?, none of the romantic side was show, and the party line was just that Meri was taken advantage of someone online, and she was terribly victimized and almost blackmailed by this person who she just wanted a friendship with. Meri claimed the catfish was practically stalking her and threatening the family. The family all made a show of supporting her, and for years, there was no acknowledgment on the show that she had been having an emotional affair, just that poor Meri was victimized. If they ever pressed her on how she was victimized, she felt attacked and refused to answer, claiming to feel unsafe. I think at some point, Kody finally looked into what she was actually doing, I don’t think he cared to before, and you can see a shift in attitude toward her. He’s much colder to her, where as before that, he just seemed uninterested in her. It’s only this season that I’ve seen him say she had an emotional affair. It’s always annoyed me that no one would ever talk about this before on the show.
Kody is essentially telling all of his other children that they weren't made out of love - it's cruel and no wonder they have no respect for him.
Robyn has known from the beginning that she has had the power and the family is broken as a result; it's obvious.
She and Kody deserve each other.
Nice job, both Allison & David. And Kody is lying now, Allison is correct. She’s watched from the beginning and is a sister wives expert. You two bring out the best in each other. ❤
Meri looks 20 years younger since she left. 😂 I am so happy for her.
The part that gets me is that Kody sounds so proud of himself for (in his own interpretation) finally realizing that he fell in love with Robyn when he didn’t with the others. Instead of letting that realization humble him by making him understand that he was in the wrong the whole time and that he damaged the other 3 by keeping them around for so long, he’s just like “oh it makes sense now that I favored Robyn and treated the others like dirt because I actually loved her”.
I agree with you. I would respect him if he actually acknowledged he loved Robyn in a way he didn’t the other wives and that he should have ended the other relationships. If he admitted it also effected the way he treated his children at least there would be growth.
She knew it was going to hurt the OG3 and yet, knowing it would hurt. She did it ANYWAY!
I think Kody's idea of love is completely different from a normal person's idea of love. He loves someone based on how they make him feel. Meaning, he needs them to worship him. His 1st 3 wives did that but only to a degree. Robyn was raised by a mother who was treated like "the other woman" and she taught her to worship a man to keep him. Because Robyn knows how to worship him and make him feel like the god he thinks he is, THAT is why he feels like he has never loved anyone until Robyn. He is obsessed with how she makes him feel. If that ever chnages, he will be just as cruel to her. He has done the same thing to his kids
Meri found someone on line who told her what she wanted and needed to hear. We have to remember stupid was her one and only, her first kiss, and .... I don't believe she dated she was a shy kid and along comes happy pants to set her world on fire. Was it an affair? I am torn, Kody left her bed and he left her mentally way before she was on line reaching out to people. So again was it an affair? I say no, and rumblings are Robin was sort of behind all of the mess or at least knew of what was going on, and did nothing. If you care about someone and see they are in pain you reach out you don't throw the anvil when they are falling.
It was Robyn's friend who did the catfishing, who I believe was a part of one episode. Even if Robyn wasn't directly involved, the friend got access to Meri through Robyn. And, Robyn stayed friends with this person even after she did that to Mari.
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But there are recordings that were released of Meri’s conversations with the catfish that were very sexual and emotional.
My ex husband had an emotional affair with someone and later a sexual affair, with a different person. I can say first hand the emotional affair was just as devastating. I found months of messages with very sexual discussions & evidence that he had been lying about where he was going when he was seeing her. The only reason it didn’t develop into a physical affair was the fact that I don’t think she was as into him as he as into her & I discovered the messages by accident (we shared a computer) before anything happened.
I insisted we go to therapy if he wanted to stay in our relationship, we both went individually and together & he said all the right things for me to agree that stay together, but if I’m honest I still doubted he was being 100% honest & if we hadn’t had a young child at the time I probably would have separated from him.
Three years later he announced to me one night that he was leaving. My Father had died 3 weeks before after being diagnosed with cancer just 8 weeks prior. I was very close to my Dad, so it was a huge shock & heartbreaking, but our daughter, who was only 11 at the time was not coping well at all. She and my Dad were like soul mates, he saw her virtually every day of her life and they adored each other. I already had her seeing a Psychologist because a once very emotional child just shut down, she didn’t cry, refused to talk about Dad at all and withdrew into herself. So the timing of his ‘mid life crisis’ (he had just turned 50) was inconceivable to me, how he could prioritise his needs (he just wasn’t happy) I just couldn’t understand. So my daughter lost her two most important male role models within 3 weeks.
Long story short he denied anyone else being involved, that of course was a lie, he was having an affair with our daughters horse riding instructor (who was 25 years younger than him & someone our daughter considered a friend) and at the time that he left she was already 4 months pregnant.
I won’t bore anyone with the whole story but both affairs were devastating. Having your partner sneak around with someone else & speaking to them in a sexual way is very damaging whether they actually go through with the deed or not.
My daughter is doing well now (it’s 4 years later now), she still sees her Psychologist regularly and it took a lot of time & eventually medication as well as therapy but she a fantastic young lady.
Unfortunately her Father has chosen to see her only 3 times in the last 4 years despite living 5 minutes away, sadly that is his loss.
An affair is a huge betrayal of trust no matter how it manifests, in my opinion Meri absolutely had an affair (google Meri catfish) and there are recordings of sexual conversations & a disturbing act with a banana, so she has definitely reframed that event, but Cody had left that relationship long before that so I don’t blame Meri 100% for what happened.
There were several days between the moment Kody said "I picked the dress" and Janelle's response from the 30,000ft perspective. Christine has said that when she walked off camera in that scene, she wasn't able to go back for several days. They are all wearing the same clothing, but they were actually resuming filming days later. Just FYI.
Allison brings up an excellent point about who Robyn knew first. Thinking back to their book, Robyn was in the AUB too, but lived in Southern Utah. David Preston Jessop (the one that threw Robyn's "purity" on the ground 🙄) is related to Christine and Kody. Robyn's aunt Reba lived in Northern Utah near the Brown family and attended the same church, I belive. Robyn met Kody and Meri at Reba's house. I think Robyn knew of the Brown family then ditched her husband when word of the TV show got around.
There is also speculation that the Jessop family owned the Lehi house that the Brown’s lived in at some point.
@@MM-yh2mi That's very interesting. I'll see if I can confirm this with the public records.
@@MM-yh2mi Gloria Jessop owned the Lehi house from 1998-2006 the Brown family owned it from 2007-2016. I cannot confirm the relationship between Gloria and David (Preston), but wouldn't be surprised if they were related.
These are all interesting points showing the interconnectedness of the families and the main actors.
As for related, in some of these polygamous families there are like 30 to 100 kids. Children don't even know their siblings. Don't know the sizes of Christine's and David Jessups families but there used to be nothing to say they were close or knew much. They keep this stuff so secret.
Part of the catfish thing is how threatening Jackie can be. Meri was afraid of how closely she was being tracked early on. Jackie's other victims were afraid too.
I think that alone makes it harder to tell how Meri actually felt because she was being manipulated into saying and doing things that she didn't want to do.
Exactly...she couldn't figure out how the catfisher knew where she was, what she was doing...didn't she say he told her what clothes she was wearing.? So...ms Robun was feeding information. Funny how that was glossed over
Yes all they say is Sobyn Crybrows knew a friend who knew the catfisher. Bull because like it was stated how did he/she know what store Meri was at, what she was wearing, what isle she was in. It's all cuz of Sobyn Crybrows, and then she was telling Kotex Noodlehead all about it. Who knows because all those women were nieve. So Meri freaked out. Thought he/she would harm the kids. (From what I've read he/she knew what school they were in and other things).
Robin is a Huge Downer. Nailed it
Regarding Mari and the cheating, one of ROBYN'S FRIENDS was direct messaging Mari, pretending to be a handsome man who was interested in her, and sending her explicit messages. Then Mari found out who it really was and was really hurt because she had been catfished. No one addresses it, but Mari insinuated that Robyn had something to do with it. At the very least, the friend got access to Mari through Robyn. It was a huge betrayal by Robyn.
Yes why isn't this brought up more? So annoying!
Robyn liked the fact that he betrayed them for her !!! When "He picked the dress" Robyn even says she asked him not to tell them, when she totally knew he would !!!
Kody married Mary when he was 21 and she was 19…he served a mission to San Antonio, Texas when he was 19 until he was 21.
Meri was definitely having an emotional affair with someone who was catfishing her online. I think she refuses to call it an affair because it never became physical. But there are voicemails and photos of her online to the catfisher that show it was obviously sexually charged and romantic. And she went to Disney thinking she was finally going to meet them in person, but it was the catfisher using her true persona as a woman that met her, and she lied and said she was the guy’s friend. I think that if the catfisher had really been a man and had truly loved Meri, she would’ve been long gone from Kody and the family. And I would’ve loved that for her
I think you are so on point! I think too , Meri would've been gone had the catfish situation worked out . I am so rooting for her to meet her soul mate and get the love she deserves.
Agreed and the fact that she got burned is why she’s clung to the relationship for so long after. Not because she loves Kody.
100% agree
Agree. David, if you google search Meri Brown banana… don’t worry, it is mild but it is definitely not something one would send to a friend.
And because the catfish turned out to be a woman instead of a man she thinks it wasn't cheating.... She went looking for love outside of her marriage- that is cheating. Just because she is a female she doesn't get let off the hook. She plays innocent she knows what she did
Saying Kody didn't know what love was until he met Robyn is crazy. He still doesn't know what love is. What he has with Robyn is so far from love. He loves that she explains aways his behavior by suggesting some underlying hurt that caused him to do/say whatever he did. She not only enables & reinforces his behavior, she makes him think he is better person.
She's like the foundation for his self-confidence that he would crumble without.
I think he loved them. If I Imagine the different people I have dated and broken up with. I have loved them in different ways. I honestly think Robyn and Kody are just compatible because she molds herself into what she wants. My gut feeling is their relationship will break down ones everyone leaves..
I give them a year two tops, and then they’ll be divorced
@@sarah-finaMost definitely
He totally loved them...he's just a hurt old man now
I agree David! I remember watching the beginning of this series when I myself, was engaged. I remember thinking, "That dude is completely besotted with Robyn! There's no way he feels like that about the other three." I remember feeling so bad for Meri in particular who seemed so wounded by everything he did. It seemed so obvious that the other wives were going to fall behind once he brought this new wife in. Over time, I think he became more and more comfortable letting the facade slip.
I always look forward to y'all reactions, Doc you are awesome but I love your beautiful wife's reaction 😂 she rocks she says what we all are thinking. I loved when you heard Robin say I would have backed off 😂😂😂
I love your Robin impressions😂😂 It really puts a smile on my face😂
I think he's lying now too. Kody's OG wives have left him & this is his way of sticking the knife in(not the kidneys) by saying we'll I never loved you anyway. It's Kody's way of dealing with his hurt by hurting back. You can see by they way he looks at the OG3 In early episodes that he did love them & they loved him & his catering pack 🤭😄
Consider the situation of the family at the time Kody and Robyn got pregnant with Solomon ...
- Family just uprooted from Lehi UT
- No parents have found employment in NV yet
- Janell had cashed out her retirement so the family had funds to live on during the transition
- The family was still adjusting to the addition of a new Mom and three children.
And cut the teenagers some slack. It's a challenging time of growth/maturing, even without all those additional pressures.
My husband is the youngest of ten children. I have heard stories from his older siblings that they were concerned when they found out their mother was expecting again. Because she was 44 and they were a family of very modest means. That was a reasonable response.
Finally I agree with you Pop Psych! 😄 I absolutely agree that Kody felt there was a level of familial love for the OG3, but it wasn’t a true romantic connection. He was doing his duty, doing what he thought a good husband would do. I imagine their dating pool is extremely small, so he was going with what he felt was the best of his options. He even admitted to holding hands and doing boyfriend behavior with girls he didn’t really feel a connection with.
I also agree that Robyn is grieving. She didn’t want to be the only wife, she wanted to be the favorite. She wanted their income and audience for holidays and birthdays. She also wanted them for their religious requirements for heaven.
I agree with you on the realization that it wasn't love like he has now. That he now realizes the difference. HOWEVER he is acting like he knew all along and is now trying to use it as a weapon to inflict pain wherever he can. He is abusive and needs to be removed.
She started out manipulating situations. Keep a big secret with Kody. Trying to convince the other wives that you really care about them above Kody.
From my own experience, love is very different at 20 something than it is later in life.
I’ve thought for YEARS that Robyn was histrionic! I’ve heard that she has a profound spending addiction that was instrumental in the demise of her first marriage. I think that her husband left HER and she rewrote history. Kody and Robyn began publicly shaming and disparaging her ex husband on TLC. Christine KNEW Robyn because Robyn’s first husband is her cousin and the family had loaned them money(30,000)to rescue them from credit card debt that she had secretly amassed. Then Robyn spent THAT money TOO instead of paying off the debt. Christine was in the “know” about Robyn’s baggage. By the time she was told about the courtship, she realized that Kody was in love with her. It must have been hell for Christine. I don’t think Robyn EVER loved that family. She was in it for herself and her children…nothing else!!! Really what has she done to help anyone or contribute to the family? In contrast, look at what she has taken. She never worked, they paid off all her debts. She hasn’t sacrificed anything!!!
How do you know this specific information?
She was in it for herself for sure, but I don’t think she was in it first her children. She is horribly cruel to her children, twisting events to make them thing their brothers and sisters don’t like them. Like when she told the girls that the siblings didn’t want to get together with them. Or in the clip saying they weren’t happy about Solomon (sol wasn’t even born). She uses her children and manipulates them. You are so right she is so selfish!
He was at least 21 when he got married because he served an LDS mission. They serve 2 years and they didn’t go until 19. Now it’s 18. But then it was 19.
What Robyn really meant was she would have backed away if she saw Kody show favoritism to anyone ELSE.
I believe that Kody convinced everyone to sell their Las Vegas homes because he wanted more control over the money. Each wife owned her own home in Las Vegas except Meri. She and Kody bought her home together. The four lots on Coyote Pass were purchased with one sister wife and Kody on each of the deeds. He went from owning half the equity in Meri's Las Vegas home to owning half of everything in Flagstaff. Not only did he enrich himself, he gained power over everything. Each wife now has to work with him in order to do anything on with their lot on Coyote Pass. When he and Robyn bought their million dollar house in Flagstadd (with most of the proceeds from the sale of the other wive's Vegas homes) he gained control over even more of the "family money." I think this was always the plan.
So true
I think Kody always lies. Then and now. He loved his OG wives, then he fell 'in lust' with Robyn and abandoned the OG 3. He does NOT know how to love or what love even is. He only truly loves himself.
Didn’t she see Logan’s joyful response? He couldn’t have been more joyful or welcoming!
I think he might have thought he loved them all AT THE TIME, but when he met Robin, he realized what he had before, was not true love.
I've heard the tapes of Meri taking to the catfish. Meri insults Kody deeply. She says to the catfish that he is SO much better looking than Kody, that he's taller - that he's better in every way than Kody. That bruised Kody's ego and Kody never forgave that.
The other thing about the kid’s reaction is they are old enough to understand the financial implications of bringing in another child. They had a lot of financial insecurity before the show. Also, the younger kids were dumped on the older kids. That’s what happens in these large polygamous families.
He’s so dense. Sums up Kody perfectly.
It’s kind of hard to believe Kody would go through the family tension caused by marrying his brother-in-law’s wife if he wasn’t in love with her at the time.
And they were never allowed to speak up because it would get labelled as jealousy and good sister wives aren't supposed to get jealous. Such an unreasonable expectation.
I think it’s hilarious that the man with one legal wife and three never lovers feels betrayed by his first never lover legal wife that he divorced to marry his last forever lover and he is forever angry that his first legal never lover exwife that he kicked to the curb is trying to find a forever side lover, while asking him to remain in her never lover family.
7:20 Kody’s world: If he WANTS to be involved, then its important. If he doesn’t “want” it, then it’s irrelevant. HE didn’t care what the other women wore or thought or felt.
I love the videos you do with your wife! You are such a great couple ❤
Kody was 21 when he married 19-year-old Meri. He was 24 when he married Janelle (who was approaching 24), and 25 when he married Christine (who was almost 22).
He was at least 21 when he married Meri. He went on a LDS mission from 19-21. But, still very young. Definitely raging hormones!!
Watching the two of you, react to them watching past footage of themselves. Mind bending.
Love the show
Robyn fell in love with the family? She fell in love with the money😂
Robyn is grieving all right. She’s grieving the loss of money, attention, the 75% Kody free time, and having other wives (and older children like Mykelti) to pawn unfun chores on.
I love you two doing stuff together I’m hoping after this ends for the season he’s thought about the marriage counseling thing. Would love to watch 🎉❤
I know at one point there was an interview with Hunter at the time who said something to the extent of "I think we are struggling to manage with the number of kids we have now." Super telling.
Hunter saw the situation without rose-colored glasses. But with Kody's ego, of course he would want Robyn to birth his child.
I think Christine had to act like she liked Robyn because she had to her for her survival. If she didnt Kody wouldnt give her any attention and would punish her.
Christine ALWAYS told the truth about that..10.times over said, I'm jealous, Kody should never have favorites, etc. Stayed true to the end and was right, to boot!
Kody and Sobbin deserve one another. I feel so bad for all his kids with the OG wives. What a sad tool they have for a father.
I'm kinda with you on the "Did Kody love them?" thing. I think it's fair to assume that in their culture/religion, they don't really have romantic love so his expectations were perhaps different. Maybe he fell into romantic love with Robyn. But if this is the case, he should have had the decency to sit the other wives down and tell them their relationships were over, instead of stringing them along for years and years. On the other hand, his reactions are pretty big for someone who didn't love them. There's also the whole question of, can a narcissistic person actually love. I think the kids had that reaction because they had lived through food insecurity and poverty.
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Christine has said she asked Kody to tuck the kids into bed when she worked third shift and he said no. She said that left Aspyn in fifth grade putting her younger kids to bed! If you watch the beginning years you see the eldest kids like Logan and Aspyn helping to raise the younger kids and babies. I think the lackluster reaction is because they have kids raising kids and they spent their younger years in poverty. Not only that but they just fled Utah to Las Vegas and kids were not happy leaving their home and being apart in rentals. The timing was terrible. I will also take it a step farther and say look at the eldest kids now… Logan and Aspyn do not have kids of their own despite long standing relationships turned marriages. I think they know how much work raising kids are because their raised their siblings. They are in no rush to immediately do that again.
That snake print is perfect for Robyn
Kody wasn't in love with the 3 original wives, but he thought he was, then he really fell in love with R, now he says he didn't love them cause he knows he feels different. He is both lying and telling the truth then & now
It seems as if Kody doesn’t realize that it’s a social norm for the groom to NOT see the dress beforehand. I really don’t think he knows that.
I’m sure he’s probably heard it somewhere but refuses to acknowledge it because it doesn’t fit with what he wanted to do at that moment and for him his whims are his norm.
He doesn't really know what love is. More excitement & lust toward Robyn in like the mid life crisis. He didnt really know Robyn....he just loved the instant connection. Is that real true love ?
here's my confusion. I have always thought that Kody was a narcissist. But Robyn is an even bigger narcissist. She love-bombed Kody. She de-valued Janelle and Christine from the start. Meri was her flying Monkey. She saw the $ that TLC brought in and she went for it. She's pissed off because everyone's walked away and she's stuck with Kody, who is no longer the prize. Look at her reaction to Christine and David's wedding. The attention that Christine is getting is really bringing out the narcissist in Robyn. I look forward to Meri finding love. And hope that Janelle follows a path to happiness minus Kody. Okay, so explain why Robyn isn't a narc? I'm curious. Please...
He only loves Robyn as long as she is "loyal" to him. That's not love. Is he capable of putting someone else's needs ahead of his own?
Mary didn´t kiss anyone, didn´t sleep with anyone. It was an online fantasy. I would not call that cheating.
Kody also had pretty much ended their relationship already at that point. In reality they weren’t married and Kody had 2 other spiritual wives and a legal wife.
Kody's need to constantly minimize his relationship with these other woman is so destructive to what they devoted and committed their lives to for so many years. He makes it sound like he would prefer that he had never met any of them or had a relationship with any of them, including not having children with them. All just to please Robin. I can't imagine how this makes these ladies and their children feel.. It's so damaging.. A true narcissist,
hurting others to satisfy his ego. He clearly doesn't understand how his words will never be forgotten by them or maybe he does and his lack of empathy gives him satisfaction.
Don't click bait us with Allison 😂😂
Lol.... what realm in the world of work is her vocation / job / profession, Dr David?
I think the answer is David loves Christine BETTER than Krody ever did. One man can not love 3 women equally or fully. So he puts loving himself above all.
Hello! Thank you for your insight and good laughs. Allison’s insight is always interesting 🤔
I think I agree with you both! Kody was young and hormonal and real excited about getting to marry 3 women and I think he loved them and the kids they raised as best as a narcissist can love. Then when he met Robyn he felt something more intense, but I do not think it’s true love I think it’s just an even more intense version of narcissism. She was young and pretty and physically fit and treated him like her “best customer” and this fueled his narcissism more than ever before so this felt like love. The test will be what happens next. They are miserable, she is older now than the OG3 were when he started dating Robyn. She is not exactly a trophy wife at this point. How will the two of them fare when the TLC money dried up? Will the magic fade?
I agree with you (not Alison) that Kody ‘thought’ he was in love with his wives. He was young, inexperienced and naive at that time and married before even getting to know them properly. later in life he met Robyn, spent more time courting her and it knocked him sideways. He finally understood what real love was. From that point forward he totally dropped the ball in terms of the other wives and the family and his true narcissistic personality emerged as he could see them all ‘getting in the way’ of his happiness. They all just became a burden, surplus to requirements but because of his faith he couldn’t just leave as he would be shamed by his community. So he just shut down and neglected them all until THEY had to walk away, then he could blame them, with his conscience clear, saying to his community - do you see how bad these woman were at being sister wives and how disrespectful these children are.
Ok, so as far as info on SW, without a crystal ball has had some good stuff... But you two are by far my favorite source, more so than the actual SW show. Your love and banter is awesome, and the psychological viewpoint you bring to the table is my favorite. I am constantly trying to learn new things about mental health so I can deal with myself and my relationships in a better way, and videos like yours are an excellent, fun way to learn some of that! Also, I love that your wife is in these bc she's a funny lady! 😜
Robyn is not grieving. She can't watch it because she knows she was at fault for destroying this family. Who was more at fault, Kody or Robyn, it doesn't matter, they both did it! It's like forcing a drunk person who killed someone with their car, to look at the body they hit when they were drunk, now they are sober. They cannot look!!
Hi David, I don’t know if anyone else has answered your question regarding the catfish, but I have been following this family since the beginning. When the catfish incident happened 10 years ago, there were voicemails and text messages that were released to the public by the catfish, Jacky. In this released information, there were very sensual conversations, some photos, including one famous photo of Meri being very intimate with a banana, and some general hearsay. The take away at the time was that it was indeed an affair. If Jacky had indeed been the person she claimed to be - a handsome successful businessman pining over Meri - there was no doubt in anyone’s mind that Meri would’ve up and left. Meri was so close to leaving that she hinted at it on an episode. I’m dusting the cobwebs off my mind, but I believe the episode was when they went to Alaska - someone correct me if I’m wrong. Back in those days AI wasn’t a thing yet. So keep this in mind. Additionally, text editing and deletion was also not a thing yet. So the legitimacy of the leaked conversations and visuals were not edited in anyway. I don’t know if this content is still available online. This was before sister wives had a sub-Reddit and several TH-cam vlogs following the show. Back then there were various forums, remember those? I’m aging myself here 😂 The main forum has since been archived. Gosh, I don’t remember the name of it, but it covered many reality shows from TLC, bravo, etc. There was also a popular offshoot called CJ‘s living room. I used to contribute quite a bit to that one. Especially during the cul-de-sac building days because I lived in Las Vegas at the time and had access to blueprints and such that I shared online. Anyway, if anyone can remember that forum’s name, we might be able to Google it and dig through to find the photos that the psych is looking for.
Edit to add: the other blog was TWOP
Robyn went wedding dress shopping with a married man behind his wives back. Robun was spending time and kissingba married man. They did something wrong.
Jenelle already knew about the dress being picked out by Kody. She said it in the clip
He had to convince America that he loved all of them and it was a healthy lifestyle. Not only did he have general haters to woo but also the law. Plus he’s good with little kids not teens. The family dream was easier then with little kids that obeyed and adored him with no questions. Robyn def threw things off.
You guys are so right on all of what you said. He just couldn't stand that they were leaving him.
She had a relationship on line. I started watching this from the day her and 'Sam' started talking publicly on Twitter. There is a group of people who would warn people about 'Sam' being Jackie. They tried to warn her multiple times. She didnt listen. She was head over heels for Sam. She tried to meet up with him, but there would be excuses why he didnt show, but Jackie would show up in his place, as his assistant🤦 Of he were real she wouldve left. It didnt help that Kendra (Robyns BFF) teamed up with the catfish. Kendra told Meri she met Sam in person and he was indeed real. She trusted Kendra over the group trying to warn her. Thats why alot of us think Robyn had to be involved atleast on some level. What would Kendra get out of deceiving Meri?!?! None of it made sense. At any rate just from the pictures, letters and voicemails, as well as what she would publicly tweet to 'Sam' convinced me she was falling for him hard.
**Before anyone says Jackie could have faked alot of the voicemails etc. I get that, but there is still overwhelming evidence just coming from Meri alone. She dragged that catfish story out by talking about it for almost 3 seasons because she was hurt.
The perfectly primed, desperate, emotionally immature bait, indeed. And now she's a somewhat infamous divorcee of means, for some letch to take for a fool...MAAAAAN.and YiKeS!
I agree w you psych. He thought and acted following what his community and church taught him too but when he met Robyn it did change to a deeper feeling.
Hmmmm raging hormones. I was 15 and my boyfriend was 17. Yes, the hormones were active, but we weren’t idiots. Now we have both retired. He is 67 and I’m deciding if I plan to recognize 65🤭Fifty years later, we are still hot for each other and I haven’t had estrogen for years. Feeling love and expressing it isn’t just hormones….it is the reward for working on our relationship throughout the decades. We have been married for 44 years, but I honestly think of him as my “boyfriend.”
Was Kody ever a boyfriend? A boy/man that cared about his partner. I’m not sure that any male in polygamy can bond that way with more than one partner.
The hypocrisy of Kody all through these years saying there wasn't a favourite wife.