IFR Clearance From A Pilot Controlled (Uncontrolled) Airport - MzeroA Flight Training
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- m0a.com If it's IFR how do you obtain your clearance from a pilot controlled airport? There are really 3 main ways if you can't reach approach on the ground. In this video I share with you my go to method as it works across the country.
LEIDOS IFR CLEARANCE NUMBER - 888-766-8267
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Actually, that was not Leidos you called, it was Jax Approach (as they announced when picking up the call). It is also why the clearance was immediately forthcoming - they control the airspace and simply issued the clearance. If you call Leidos, you may talk to someone far from your location, who must first figure out where you are, then call the controlling facility, and finally relay the clearance starting with, “ATC clears...” while it works, it is often time consuming and inefficient.
As a ForeFlight user, one can often find the direct telephone number to the controlling facility in the FBO Remarks/Comments section. I don’t know if other EFBs have this available.
Finally, I recently read the FAA is in the process of publishing controlling facility phone numbers in the Flight Supplement for all pilot controlled airports, a process that will likely take years but will be well worth it.
T-210 N732JS Your comment was more helpful than the video. I wanted to learn how to pick up a clearance when there isn’t a delivery frequency listed. Luckily where I fly (Washing DC Area) that isn’t usually an issue.
4-1-20 (d)
Ident only to be used upon ATC request.
Common sense I would agree, but I'll follow the AIM on this one
Elvis IS alive! I knew it! He makes a pretty good pilot too!
6:50 I've heard from controllers you only ident when they ask for it.
Yeah, if they want it, they'll ask. I'm sure they don't want everyone just flashing themselves anytime they like. (Double entendre not intended, but, yeah, no one wants that either.)
Jason, I noticed that the ILS 36 into Ocala said DME Required... If I do not have DME but I do have a 430W am I legal using that plate?
Yes you are due to the fact a GPS position is a usual replacement to the old dme. The GPS gives you your distance from the airport or station.
Richard Thomas correct but GPS doesn’t measure slant range.
@@alessio272 this is true but distance on an IFR certified GPS is suitable per AC 90-108.
I passed my IFR chekride with icao examiner n Saudi Arabia .I learn everything from your videos
Thank you so much
Jason, I heard that TBM go missed. Was he on a practice approach or was he on an IFR plan? It seems like that could be a potential conflict if the field had been IFR with lost coms. I always thought that an IFR clearance with void time meant that the IFR airspace was all yours for that block but I am a new instrument pilot and am still learning how it all fits together. Shouldn't the controller have given you a ground hold until the TBM canceled his IFR flight plan or a "do not depart before" time?
The TBM likely wasn’t on an active IFR flight plan. He was probably just vectoring himself around for a practice approach under VFR.
he announced “low approach only” twice before landing. i’m sure it was a practice approach
Jason, to clarify. What number did you use to call Leidos or did you call Jacksonville approach?
He called Jax Clearance. You can hear them identify themselves as Jacksonville when they picked up the phone.
Greetings Jason,
Great video! I just have a couple of questions, I know that there are several IFR departure procedures including ODP, SID, Climb via, radar departure..etc
1. The ifr clearance/CRAFT mentioned including the craft at a non controlled airport, is the CRAFT part of the odp, Sid, or other ifr departure procedures? Or is it simply just a clearance or a “permission” from act to get into the skys from ATC.
2. Let’s just say I’m at a major busy controlled airport KLAX for example, and I’m using the SID or ODP for my departure, will I need to copy down the a whole bunch of stuff from ATC for the CRAFT as well for my clearance or “permission” to get into the skies from ATC? I assume flying the airlines have a much more easier way like just inputing down all the information in the flight computer system right? And only for general aviation like if I’m flying Cessna 172 part 91 where I have to write down all the bunch of stuff for the CRAFT info? Thank you! Meaning do I need to get an IFR clearance from either a controlled airport and a non-control airport as well?
3. I have heard from different sources including flight insight about the number of flight IFR departure procedures, I’m not sure if this is correct but I will just name the ones that I know below, Please correct me if there any mistakes or any overlaps, thank you.
IFR departure procedures
1. SID (3 kinds of SIDs including 1. Pilot-nav SIDs 2. Radar Vector SIDs 3. Hybrid SIDs)
2. OPD
3. CLIMB VIA…SID or ODP
4. Visual Climb over airport, (Not sure if it is the same as number three Climb via…)
5. Vectors Dep
6. Diverse Dep
7. Radar Dep
Thank you so much for your help!
Thanks! This is one of the few videos that covers both the clearance AND the communication once airborne. Good to know what to expect when switching from advisories to ATC.
Glad it was helpful!
How did they know what approach you wanted? Did you include your first request in your flight plan?
Hey Jason! How many flight hours do you have?
I appeciate your pilot skills. I'm a Simmer but you've taught me a lot.
Such a sweet panel, why didn't you install the radio button on the yoke rather than the panel?
As always very good video . Us in Canada we need to call when we have to go ferther then 25 nm of our based airport . So VFR / IFR HAS TO CALL and we’ll receive our skwak number . Hope all is well with your flight school you deserve it 😜👍🏼
Left seat looks like he should have been squawking 7500 whole flight.
Did you mean 7600 perhaps?
7500 - Hijack
7600 - No Communication
7700 - Emergency
No, I did actually mean 7500. Looks like a hijack victim - no talking, no participation, just sit there and be quiet.
Haha gotcha, my bad. I thought more along the lines of no comms.
Bahahha actually lol'd at this
Where do you find the appropriate phone number?
Always write down you time off in zulu for lost comms purposes.
Why do they only give you 5 minutes?
What he spoke at the end and finally smiled when ya hit the taxiway. 😁😁😁. Great vid.
Hey, you have an HDX as your PFD!!
Right on!
Some tanking on the lower left wing panel.
Silent Elvis! He should be singing while you fly!
Can you imagine everything is quiet, and suddenly he belts out "hound dog" or "jailhouse rock" ....ROFLMAO!! 😂
I used the CRAFT cheat to copy along with you. Great practice and no stress. Such a helpful tool. Thanks!
Super cool and great practice!!!!
Just know that this was an incredibly short CRAFT.. if you're going further/different location it could be much more involved. ATClive.net out of a class bravo is a good way to practice as well.
Jason. Can you tell us a little bit about your avionics panel. You have 2 engine monitors? GPS navigators? Back-up AI? Make/models of all. Are you happy with how things are?
I have heard from a couple places that you should not Ident unless it was requested, is that a hard and fast rule or just a suggestion? Identing on that initial contact makes sense to save time for sure. I just wanted to make sure it was OK to Ident like that without request. Thanks!
Dme ark I see on your approach,you should do a video on this? Do you like a 15 mile ark or 10 what is the most useful or what is best way to start the ark for an approach??? Thanks
Awesome video as always, I wonder if you can list what suction cup you are using to mount your GoPro's? Thanks
Will this also work out of private airports? I'm based out of FA49 Shady about 5 miles southeast of KOCF and was curious if this would be acceptable for IFR clearance, being it's not a public field. I'm a checkride away from becoming a private pilot, but will be working on my instrument next.
Was there really a cross wind? LOL Just noticed there was no yoke/aileron into the wind while rolling out.
Too bad that tbm isn't 851tb with steveo at the controls
Awesome video thanks for sharing
I never hear this phrase "upon entering controlled airspace" where I fly. Does that mean you look at the sectional chart to find the base of class E, and at that altitude you make the turn? Is this one of those times you have the option of flying the ODP? If you can fly the ODP, do you tell ATC?
Hi Trevor! Sorry for the late response. Usually yes you start the turn when entering Class E as Class E is usually the first controlled airspace above a non-towered field. Fly the ODP regardless to make sure you have adequate obstacle clearance. If you need more clarification please reach out to us at support@mzeroa.com. Fly safe!
what does it run to glass out a Cessna 150 like you do with MZ?
A lot more than worthwhile. Might as well add G1000 to a paraglider.
@@tiny_toilet zero merit to this comment. It completely depends on his/her intentions.
5 minutes is not a long time to get one's act together; not long at all.
Another great video sir, also I thought the same thing that your passenger didnt talk until the end of the video, LOL !
why did you put the PTT on the dash?
what if phone no cell service??
Contact center/RCO
When you’re given a heading to fly on takeoff, how do you know when to turn towards that heading? When you reach TPA, or just whenever you’re able?
Hi Eric! It depends. Typically, turns in IFR can be started at 400 feet AGL. However, this does not take into account SIDs or ODPs due to terrain/obstacle clearance which may require something different. Consult the departure procedure and make sure you are clear of all obstacles before starting a turn. Thanks for watching!
We just talked about this in our FIRC. Thanks for the visual.
Do you also do the ident when asking for flight following? If so, at what point do you ident?
Center/ATC will tell you to ident. Then you push it. Push it REAL good!
Another great video. Nice work team MzeroA
Thanks agin Jason, your videos are so inspiring!
Thanks , very interesting
Good Video. Thanks
Thanks for watching, Jake!
Not exactly sure why the pilot should give his/her name when calling for a clearance, or that they are a certain number for takeoff. Wouldn't this suffice? "[tail number] on the ground at [airport], IFR [destination], ready to copy"
lets them give you a shorter window for take off expiration time which will allow more traffic in behind you quicker if you are not ready
Not to burst your bubble, but recording a phone call in Florida without the other party's consent is illegal. You might want to run it by a lawyer ;-)
Flight service is also recording us all the time. I kind of disagree with you
You said "Everything is set." Was it? Heading wasn't bugged. Altitude wasn't set. Oh, the frequency. Dude.
Jason, I suggest that even while taxiing that we keep a hand on the controls. Either to control for a crosswind, or feel if a gust blows on the controls... we have lots of wind and gusts out west, especially during mountain flying. Best regards, Jer/ Eberhard, jer@jerslash.net
Why didn’t you guys fly an ODP or was there not one?
Not needed. Beautiful vfr day.. At departure airport