The Carteron Murders
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DC, thank you for including the original crime scene photographs. I know some of your viewers don't like them, but I feel it is important for everyone to see how murderers treat their victims. Very often, the grisly facts are glossed over, and this leads people to forget that these people were human like you and I. Thank you again.
why is is important? for the sane, we know that was wrong, for the ill, they wouldn't care.
I mean it depends... I think it’s important to know how victims of this crimes look not to romanticize murderers however it really depends on a case, narrator etc. It’s completely ok to omit grizzly photos for the same reason it’s right to do otherwise. I have seen pretty gruesome scenes (fortunately only in media) but I mostly chose not to. Sometimes I am really curious thou.
It’s always sad when someone is murdered and it is easy after hearing so many cases to have a bit disconnect. That’s normal human reaction. I am not sure how graphic pictures can change that, you can get desensitized too and gloss over the cases even with pictures, human mind is sometimes cruel.
Yes we should remind ourselves these were real people. Real people murdered just as few days ago in Vienna...
Sad. 😔🇦🇹
I agree. Just seeing how the victims were hogtied was quite alarming. It gives you a feeling of the fear they must have felt in the last hour of their lives. It humanizes the victims and makes it feel like it is still important to determine who the killers were, even if they have passed away by now. The victims deserves justice, and the truth should be revealed; no matter how much time has passed.
Yes, people tend to believe the murder scenes are far less violent in their minds than they were in reality. I'd want people to know and see exactly what someone did to me in my final moments as well. If for no other reason than to do all they can to protect themselves. Dont ever think you live in a neighborhood where people dont lock their doors. Quit being lazy and lock your doors or take this chance.
I like to see them even though I'm always sorry for the victims. Started with those True Detective style magazines that would have grainy b&w photos, kind of kick-started a life long obsession with blood spatter and crime scenes.
What a treat to have all these DC posts days in a row
How do you get the photo by your name ? And it's very cute btw...🙂
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How horrible. Looking at how they were tied up and the frugal use of bullets suggests someone knew what they were doing. Not much to go on especially in those times.
The way the case unfolds is eerily like the Hinterkaifeck case, at first. But the context of the case is completely different.
I thought the exact same thing
@baselinebaz the Hinterkaifeck case took place in Germany. The carteron case took place in Central France
I was thinking the same thing.
@@sushmac1383 Thank you. there was also a good stretch of *time* between the two cases, as well as distance, with the Hinterkaifeck case happening in March of 1922 and the Carteron affair in July 1946. That's almost a quarter of a century!
As I said, the context is very different.
I think this also sounds a lot like the Clutter family case in Kansas... It's also true that the contexts and dates are entirely different, though... Not to mention the men that committed the Clutter murders were arrested and executed.
I wonder if it was retaliation for something that happened during the war. From what you say they don’t seem to have had enemies so it’s hard to say but it’s interesting than Monsieur Carteron thought that he was being followed.
Sounds war related to me. Passions were running high in France after war’s end. Anyone who had even the slightest dealings with the Germans during the war were hunted down.
That’s just what I was thinking: all it’d take would be someone with a grudge to suggest that one of the family was a collaborator and that could be enough.
Particularly the execution style killing plus the resistance guy being right on their doorstep...
Perhaps - one person (male) but not the rest Doubt it was that.
Agreed.
Or was there some motive with them dead! Like their property going to some other family member? I think odds are it was 100% war related
If that’s the case then they deserved it.
It’s a very telling point, imo, that the dog was “curled up in its basket”, if that’s a fact, as per police reports, and not a small piece of artistic license?
Farm dogs usually are scrappy critters - good watchdogs, very brave and territorial. Therefore, the murderer wasn’t just someone the family knew from market day, or from church. It was someone who had been to the farm many times, as a friend,so the dog was very relaxed. I’d also guess the dog was killed first.
If the description was artistic license, it seems to me that the presence of the dog, in the house, indicates that the murders occurred late in the day, after everyone was relaxing from the day’s work. Farm dogs don’t usually get to spend the daylight indoors.
Apart from the suggestions here that perhaps the deaths were to do with the Resistance, or a possible heir, I wonder if...perhaps the victims knew of someone who had been a Collaborator.
When there was peace again, that Collaborator needed to keep their secret. One or more of the victims had discovered the information, and the wartime traitor did not know how many of the family had been told.
That explains the wholesale nature of the murders, and gives a purpose to the victims being hogtied. They were tortured, whilst the murderer/s tried to find out who else knew.
Yeap. very sad indeed, you make a very valid statement Bilinda and I agree 100%
I was thinking the same thing about the farm dog. He had to be very comfortable with whoever was there to go to sleep
wow...
Did I miss it, or was there no description of how the dog died? Was it shot? I'm wondering due to the fact that just because the dog was found in its bed doesn't mean that's where it died. It could have easily been moved after it died, possibly to stage the scene in some way. Or even because whoever killed it may have felt guilty (yes there are crazies who have no problem killing people but don't like to harm animals). In any event, forensics then weren't what they are now, and it's quite possible the detectives didn't really know where the dog was when it died.
@@Geronimo2Fly Yes, you missed it; the dog was also shot.
Could be the family knew who shot them, esp seeing as the dog was in it’s bed
Daily DC, this week. It is a bright spot in cloudy skies. Thank you for all the hard work you are placing in these videos.
Thank you! :)
Reminds me of the „Hinterkaifeck-Murders somehow...
I wonder if they had taken someone into their home that turned out to be a psychopath?
I wondered that, too. In many accounts of post-war Europe, I've heard many tell stories of giving passersby a sandwich, or letting them sleep in their barn... Apparently many displaced peoples just walked back home. Like, clear across Europe. I imagine many of those people were traumatized. Not hard to imagine a scenario in which these poor people were just unlucky.
I thought the same. You can see the dinner table was set for 5 not 4. Looks like they were (sadly) about to have dinner. How horrible.
I Thought the same thing, a passerby or someone known to the family, because the dog was curled up in its bed, so the dog was shot while it was asleep.
I was wondering whether it might have been a former employee? Someone they hired for a brief time and then dismissed, who went off to brood about the wrongs done to him?
Thank you for also including the dog
Insa T. I was coming to the comments to say the same thing. Thanks.
Why kill the dog?
Why?
thanks for the consistent uploads, Im going to enjoy procrastinating with this new video
I appreciate that you don't turn away from the images. That is shocking and so very real, and I think it helps us understand better what their last few minutes on earth was like. It's terrible, but it's important. Thank you.
Also, this is one murder I didn't know about and I was thinking I'd heard them all. So new story is great.
Wow that was quick, I literally just pressed join and now, 5 minutes later there's a new video!
The crime scene photos were much appreciated, many thanks. Another stellar vid- you seem to have been working extra hard, lately. I love it that you find so many lesser known crimes to tell us about. Kudos and thanks.
Just love your voice!! So hard to find interesting content that I actually enjoy listening to. Keep up the great work!
The dog curled up in his bed indicates it was sleeping and relaxed.. therefore knew the killer.
Was the dog shot first?
Or the dog was the killer in a murder suicide, police hid this as killer dogs with guns would break reality......
@@kevin6293 Thanks for this, now I know this is one story for me to skip.
Not necessarily, there are plenty of lazy dogs in this world that are heavy sleepers and/or slow to get up/react. They dont all act like pomeranians & chihuahuas thank god
Lovely, I was just about to start cooking and now I have something to listen to
I will never understand how one/s
Can kill another living being let alone in such a disgusting manner. Simply evil and disgusting. I'm glad I don't understand.
And thank you for mentioning the dog, also a victim. Human's take animals lives too much and it's also not right and saddens me as much.
Thank you for caring enough to include him/her. More should.
Well done as always!!♡
Rip to ALL the victim's ♡♡♡♡♡
It???
You should be held accountable Sheena
Why'd they kill the dog 😭😭😭I know probably trying to help their family. So sad of story so sad for all the victims. So curious of the perpetrators
And the child.
I know :(
Some killer doesn't want to leave any witnesses who could be a potential threat to them in the future, that's why they don't do mercy even on a child (child, when grow up, could seek revenge). The dog could have their scent.
Dog could've tried to attack, could follow their scent, could make noise, possibly alert neighbors, etc
They just wanted to tie up all loose ends, sadly
Well, the first thing to ask is: who got the farm after the family was murdered?
It looks to me like someone tried to make it look like a Resistance retaliation, maybe by stealing someone's gun left over from the war, or using one that he found discarded. But killing an entire family to retaliate against one or two seems HIGHLY unlikely.
Good question. The home looks very decrepit so wouldn't be wanted. No idea of land though.
Not unless you want to send a pointed message to other Nazi collaborators.
Someone really angry that ALL of them had collaborated which resulted in 100's of your friends and family being killed by the Nazis? Quite understandable revenge imo. Remember that the Nazis murdered millions. Collaboration was avenged.
You've been on a roll lately DC! Love it!!!!
I love your video's, your voice is soo soothing !!
I love the way you do your vids. No fluff, just get on with it. Well done and thank you. My favourite true crime channel.
ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN . . . R. I. P. POOCH AND FAMILY . . . . HE WAS A GOOD DOG
1:50 As an aside that is some lovely stock footage of horses. So cute!
What about the idea -it doesn't have to be logical and just a freaking out of town nut bar who decided a remote farm was place to kill people? Wonder if any other killings similar happened in other nearby communities. AND because hog tied - it had to be 2 or more killers.
This music on your video is so amazing. Awesome vids....
Love these videos, thank you for sharing them.
What a horrible way to die. Having to witness your loved ones get shot while waiting your turn. How terrible!! And how sad it was never solved.
I shouldn't have read this lol
Julia Law I thought the same
Great one. Loving all the new ones
Reminds me a bit of the Hinterkaifeck murders.
Honestly, it really seems as though someone settled old scores. Much of that happened after the war, and collaborators weren't forgiven nor forgotten.
The resistance forces did go after people in this period but they never made any attempt to hide their actions. No locking doors behind them or trying to be quiet. Most frequently they burned the property afterwards. If they were questioning someone they would have tied them to a chair or overhead to a floor beam. Finishing with a shot to the head. These people were tied more like you would livestock to restrain them so they could not stop someone searching the place or escaping.
The killings may have been an act of frustration because I do not feel that was the intent. Why not simply kill them on entering the property? Why even bother with tying them up? You only tie someone if you want them alive and still. Shooting them keeps them still without taking the trouble of restraining them. If you are questioning someone you want them face to face so you can tell if they are lying?
The dog is interesting since it was dead in it's normal place. That could lead to other possibilities.
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Not to distract from the tragedy but as a French person I love the way you try so hard at pronouncing the French words!
Excellent historical case here! I love these old ones. It's a shame this case was closed less than a year after the murders. Too short a time IMO! It never hurts bringing these old cases back to light again. You just never know. Maybe by a stroke of luck, some can get solved. Ty for the interesting case!
i love the narrators voice
I wonder if they considered the neighbor's husband? It's very odd to live that close and not realize something was remiss for several days.
'Neighbours' weren't very close when it was farms. Possibly a half mile or more away to the nearest farm. They may have been able to see the farmhouse in the distance but details were unlikely.
@@Thumper17 exactly...farms aren't THAT close.
Thank you for all these stories i've never heard! Good job!😊
Very good though heartbreaking. The original photos of the crime scene is important and appreciated.
Chilling story!
I love your accent, by the way!
You sure have been busy lady! And all meticulously presented as always. Ugh! So horrible! I agree with others here. Someone from the war, maybe even a deserter. Either mentally deranged or just plain evil. Thanks DC.💔😷😪🐾🦌
Yes, I was just catching up with a binge and then this one popped up too 👍
Enjoy your work. Your voice is so easy to listen to.
ThankY for another great video!! 🙂 Are you doing 7 videos in 7 days too?
Amazed at people more concerned about the damn dog
Interesting tale. Thanks!
Most lovely voice. Ty
It's so wonderful that you've been downloading these so fast. I'm getting spoiled. Thank you.
Im very curious as to why this resistance Captain did not have his gun atleast handed over to the authorities, did he use his influence to avoid suspicion?
The apparent loss of the weapon certainly raises some questions.
If im not mistaken some of the residual fascist Warewolf stay behinds were used after the war for GLADIO, which was far right/fascists under NATO who carried out false flags until the 1980s. This is highly documented. Italian Prime Minister Andreotti spilled the beans about it. So the dude may of still been connected to stuff, just under NATO instead of Nazis
That is all a lie good try Ivan!!!@@whatabouttheearth
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Gladio was a lie? 😂 It certainly was not
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Saving this for tonight..glad i have a new video while i get my 2 months old to fall asleep
I love this channel.
No forced entry is indicative of killer knowing victims. Hogtying victims is subjugation and hatred. The captain would have his weapon at any other time, he was involved and knew who did it. He was protected otherwise the police would have obtained a warrant for his weapon, thank you Dark Curiosities!
that poor family, those poor kids :(
At first I thought of the murders in on a farm in Germany that happened in 1921, but then I realised there were no real similarities at all.
Unfortunately this looks like some kind of post war revenge killing by the French resistance. They may have been real or assumed collaborators or just supporters of the wrong faction.
I doubt the Ware Wolves were involved. They were mostly rumour and I've never heard of them operating outside Germany.
Thanks for bringing the case to light. You're spoiling us this week.🦌💜
Thanks for uploading & WARNING Images.
Cheers.
Strange case of this murder mystery,like some people have thought,war only been over for awhile,there must B a connection to that,good presentation sweetly told as usual😉
So sad and now since it has been so long it will never be solved!!
Maybe it was a soldier with PTSD. Its commonplace for us to think of soldiers suffering now, but they did back then too. And its obvious that it was someone with military knowledge. Poor family.
Every soldier has had it, every generation has a different name for it.
a sten smg is not quiet as you fire it. the uncommon, made in small numbers at that time silenced version would be.
He or they actually killed the dog too? Wtf that just seems evil unless the dog was trying to protect his owners then that makes sense but not if it was just some friendly dog laying there wagging his tail!!!! I hate people!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe a German collaborator during the war?
So why wife, child and dog?
Man did you just upload after you woke up from a coma? Jk but wack that you upload 1 three days in a row
I'm horrible but whenever you say "Captain Jack" I keep expecting to hear "HARKNESS" after.
Colourful character....leader of a resistance movement.....
Very interest thank you so much
A homemade shelter was what many families did because of war for "oh shit! What if we need to get out of home and where will we go - oh a shelter to keep us hidden."
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During WWII there were large groups of Nazi sympathisers, who were called the "Vichy" French and they were an actual political party during the WWII who were in league with the Nazis. After the war, the Vichy regime officials were executed as traitors, and the Vichy citizens were tormented by French patriots, the least lethal of which was shaving the heads of French women who had consorted with the enemy. The Sten gun was a piece of junk, but it was mass produced and airdropped by the allies to help arm the French resistance. The guns had a bad habit of constantly jamming, where live rounds would have to be cleared on a regular basis. This apparently happened during the murder in this video, as can be seen by live rounds on the ground. Assuming the family had been Vichy sympathisers or members, it makes perfect sense that they were killed for revenge. Hundreds, if not thousands of Vichy were killed or maimed after the war by French patriots and resistance fighters. Cases like this were rampant and merciless immediately following the war, so there is no real mystery here.
... the reason is the person did not want to be known or the group. I think the fact no one knows even yet, does give it credence as a motive.
Very unusual weapon for murder, even then. Seems it was handy in the rebel theory or it was premeditated for silence by someone that was familiar with it, the neibour.
With that grouping of evidence, it is hard to see any friction points that could lead to the neibour being the murderer.. But in more cases than not the killer is known.
A lot of unanswered questions likely gone to the wind of time now.
Great show!
That is so very sad.
It seems there had to be two killers involved - one person couldn’t hogtie four other people while holding them at gun point!
I am getting a little (tiny bit) spoilt and happy with 3 videos from DC the past 3 days 😀😂😀
Love narration pulls you in to find out what happen.
🍊 Thank You!
They were all killed because they all knew the killer/killers. It seems like someone who had been in the resistance was settling an old score, once the target was dead the witnesses had to die as well.
This world is full of so much evil.
👍Thank you!
You will be big DC!
You can tell alot from the photos. I can feel the fear and pain that was in that room as one by one they were shot, with the others watching, and knowing their fate. Very sad.
Why kill the dog as well? It's not as if dog could tell the culprits name.
Really? Four people were murdered and you're concerned about the dog? The dog was probably killed so that it wouldn't make any noise and possibly alert people nearby or possibly just to make sure that the dog wouldn't attack the killer while its owners got shot.
Probably so the dog couldn't interfere or attack the killer or killers, and/or make too much noise. It might have been a big dog. Not sure but sad case!
I guess he wasn't an animal lover afer all * rolls eyes*
This is horrifying the way they were killed no motive not even robbery its weird great story thank you
I like hearing these story’s - IS IT JUST ME OR IS IT WEIRD FOR ME TO LIKE THEM -
Stens are truly amazing.
"...a feeling of dread washed over her..."
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Wonder if somehow the Germans were involved. Did they believe the family were part of the resistance? Execution like that is rarely robbery. Another intriguing video DC!
In 1946? The war was over my then for over a year! The Germans were either dead, in prison or back in Germany. No German in his/her right mind would have stayed in France. They would have been killed for the war crimes they had commited.
revenge killing.
did i hear wearwolfs resisdents??
Very sad!
Thankyou 😊 👍🤗
You are on fire
Maybe just the usual crime of hate and jealousy, a slight in community, a cheating spouse, fight over property line, undercutting price of beef, chicken or whatever was being produced - I doubt this will ever be solved. Man what a way to die. So sad.
Collaborators being punished. Being left hogtied to humiliate them and warn others what was coming. The locals certainly wouldn't want to talk about it, but I bet they knew.
Hang on , the dog was curled up in his bed ? So the dog was peacefully asleep in his bed when murders occurred ? I think not , to me it’s sounds like the killer was known to family and dog , I mean if the dog was comfy enough to stay sleeping in his bed then the killer must have been very familiar to allow someone to shoot it in it’s bed ,
That even the dog was killed.... That's brutal.
Had they been collaborators during the war? We will never know.
That end statement about The Beloved Dug nearly set me off.
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Just because people are upset about the dog does not suggest that they are less bothered or upset about the humans getting killed!.
Why is it such an awful thing to care about animals!? 🤷🏼 It's called compassion for all..