How to get the ARRI look from your Sony FX6 (A7s iii, FX3)
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Today's video is a fun one, I'm talking about how you can use Joel Famularo's Phantom LUTS to unlock the full potential of your Sony A7Siii, FX3, FX6 and BMPCC 4K and 6K. I'm focusing primarily on how these LUTS work with my Sony FX6 but they also work with the A7Siii and FX3 similarly.
I am absolutely BLOWN away with how good these LUTS look and how efficient they are for my workflow. If you're looking for a way to get extremely close to ARRI colours this is it.
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Hi everyone! I received a lot of comments and feedback from A7Siii & FX3 owners about the differences in their cameras compared to the FX6. I made an entire video on how to get the same results using those cameras and it’s up on my channel now. Cheers 👍🏻
A quick tip: when shooting in CineEI and in Low base ISO mode, set your L, M and H preset value as 200, 400 and 800 respectively. During shooting always use the "H" (800) as that exposure matched your base ISO. Only switch to L and M when you want to overexpose by 1 and 2 stops. There is no need to use the dial to change the exposure index in small increments. Just use the L, M and H presets.
Great tip. I have mine setup that way but almost never find the need to overexpose anymore. The only situation I might is at 12,800 as there’s a bit more noise.
What's the L, M, H presets? I haven't set mine up this way yet. Thanks
@@RespireTV These are physical levels on a switch on the FX6
Subscribed! :). Had to sell my A1 due to Covid 19 $ problems, and now weighing that agains an FX6 for my next purchase. Thanks for making these videos, and sharing your learning process - it helps a lot!
I’m so sorry to hear that… it’s a thought business sometimes. The FX6 is a great option. Reach out if you have any questions.
can you show the process of downloading the lots onto moniter?
It’s different on every monitor
Thanks so much for posting this!
Absolutely no problem Martin! Thanks for watching 😃
FYI @6:17 you will also have to format your SD card while in Slot B. Couldn't find the Pro->LUTs folder structure because I was formatting in Slot A. Apparently they format differently (didn't know this, I'm new to Sony).
Awesome point! Thank you.
Thanks for the video. I'm thinking of switching from Blackmagic Ursa Mini 4k to Sony fx6 to meet the standards of streaming services. But I've never shot in s-log! Seems like it's not too steep of a learning curve. thanks for the video. Also, looks like you're in Minnesota! Where are you from?
No problem! The camera is amazing and if you need autofocus once and a while it works incredibly.
I was lost learning S-Log at first but it’s pretty straightforward after a bit of use. Using LUTS is a must to monitor and then it’s easy.
I’m actually just above the boarder from Minnesota in Winnipeg!
Great video, great info👌👌
Thank you!
Great video. I’m on a similar journey with my R5, learning the c log 3 curve. I’m on the hunt for a great monitoring lut like you’ve found. Hope there’s someone out there showing canon love lol.
Thanks Joshua! Someone I film with often uses a C70 and we’ve had the same issue recently. Not sure what the best option is yet but if you find anything please let me know!
What about how to get arri look from a red komodo?
Don’t have a Komodo 🤷🏻♂️ if you want to send one my way I can try my best
Great video! Love those LUTs. Looking forward to more content :)
Thank you! I’ve been following your FX6 content and it’s great. Can’t wait to see more myself 👍🏻
@@SpencerStanley plenty more to come!
Will you be putting out any color grading videos soon to show how you achieved these looks?
Wasn’t planning on it but I really like that idea! I’ll put it in the queue. What exactly would you like to see grading wise?
@@SpencerStanley How you get the filmic look using the mist filters without it being too faded. And how you tweak the colors of the phantom lut.
@@wildfernweddings4187 I like that idea. I think I’ll do a colour grading workflow video. Mine is super simple, I honestly don’t do much other than basic correction + LUT.
@@SpencerStanley that'd be great! I love the vibe of these shots and would love to know how to get a similar look on my A7siii.
@@wildfernweddings4187 will add that to the list! Mostly I shot everything in Slog3 and applied the phantom lut. I was using my tiffen 1/8 black promist. From there I usually add constrast as needed. I’ll fix the white balance if I didn’t shoot that properly in camera as well. That’s about it really 😅
Solid content dude. Keep it up!
A couple small notes/differences for A7SIII owners:
1) We CANNOT actually pre-load LUTs onto the camera (unless they’ve changed something in firmware that I am unaware of)
2) A7SIII base ISO (I believe, someone correct me if I’m wrong) is 640 not 800. We still get the 12,800 upper ISO though.
I too have the Phantom LUTs from Joel F and they’re very well executed. Cheers!
Yup! I was originally just making the video for FX6 users but realized it would have better reach with A7Siii and fX3 users as well.
If you use an external monitor you could load the LUTS into there 😃 if not Gamma display assist is your best friend.
@@SpencerStanley How about you remove A7Siii from the title then? Very misleading
@@RiteVisuals the content is not misleading and applies to all three cameras. They all have the same sensor. The LUTS are available to all cameras.if you need help figuring out how to use the LUT on your A7Siii feel free to ask and I can help.
@@SpencerStanley I would be interested in hearing how you pre-load the luts onto a A7siii because I just tried it and couldn't work it out
@@RiteVisuals it’s not possible. You need to use Gamma display assist or an external monitor. If you’re not using an external monitor gamma display assist is the way to go.
I've had it over a month now as well and haven't had a chance to use it on a job :-/ I have an award show booked in August though and I will definitely try these, thanks.
Covid sucks!!! Hopefully you’re busier soon. For sure try these out if you haven’t they’re amazing!
@@SpencerStanley Thanks. I've been having plenty of editing and VFX work, but I want to go out and shoot! :) Honestly, with the FX6 I feel ready to shoot a feature and I've been pushing my partner who is a director to just go for it. We're looking for a good script. The camera is just a dream.
@@lukastemberger that is amazing!!! If you guys end up shooting on I’d love to see it :) send it my way I think it’s an amazing idea.
Should have my FX6 this week finally and thanks to you I’ll be capturing great footage from the jump! New subscriber 🤙
Amazing! I’m so pumped for you it’s an incredible camera. I’ll be putting out some new FX6 content soon 👍🏻
How you finding it? Any issues?
Super helpful video! Thank you so much
Thanks Brady! Really appreciate the kind words.
Man, new subscriber! Didn't know that you didn't need an external monitor to view your footage w/ LUTs right in the viewfinder. I've got an A7siii and it's my first mirrorless and making SLOG 3 footage look good has been tough for me so far haha going to give your method a try !
Thanks for subscribing man! Yeah I would try these LUTS out they have made a massive difference in my footage and workflow. I’m pretty sure you can just set gamma display assist to SLOG3 in the A7siii and it will give you a normal looking image. That being said I haven’t used the A7Siii yet so maybe read the instructions when purchasing the luts. Enjoy!
Great video, keep the a7s3 tags on the title. Trust me on this one
Thank you! Appreciate it
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Great video! I’ve had the FX6 for a month now and have only used s cinetone. Now I’m going to dive into slog3
Thanks Thomas! S-Cinetone is great but nothing breast S-Log3, you won’t be disappointed!
isn't 12,800 also the next base ISO as well? so if you're running low on light, switch up the dual base iso
Yup! Sony technically doesn’t call it a dual base iso but it pretty much is. I do find that 800 looks better though.
Hey! Great video!
I just want to recommend you to do some acoustic treatment or boom your mic above you just out of frame cuz the audio is not that good with that setup. I would recommend sound blankets by VocalBoothToGo. Awesome absorbers that you can also use as a bounce. Phantom luts are what I'd call a masterpiece in grading cuz it looks insanely good and natural.
I was waiting for a XLR to 3.5mm cable because mine broke 🤗 investing in an XLR shotgun mic soon! Audio is terrible in the last two videos but sometimes you just need to get it done and not be a perfectionist. I’m bad for putting things off until they’re perfect.
@@SpencerStanley would recommend the Rode go 2 or the Rode videomic ntg if you want some good do it all mics. One is a lavalier reciever/transmitter and the other is a very versatile shotgun mic. And I would not recommend doing xlr to trs especially if the mic requires phantom power. For a talking heads shot I'd just recommend using the Rode go 2. Anything documentary style go with the ntg.
@@SpencerStanley and if you want an xlr shotgun I'd suggest the ntg 3 or 5. Also would HIGHLY recommend getting either a separate recorder like the zoom f6 or the xlr module for the a7siii.
@@TheEnderBoy6625 totally appreciate the recommendations, I have a Rode NTG and that’s what I used, just couldn’t book it. I only like to use lav mic’s when completely necessary or else they’re not the best quality really.
@@TheEnderBoy6625 also using the FX6 so I have XLR inputs and a preamp, not the A7Siii
This is critical info for me as I have the FX6 and A7SIII but lack experience and want a minimal workflow for doing business owner interviews. Would love to see an interview style video from you demonstrating the results you get under studio lighting using the workflow you have described so well 👍👏
Thank you! That is a killer combo for interviews. I currently don't have a A7Siii but I'm tempted to get one. I would love to do an interview tutorial using this workflow when I get my hands on one! Thanks for the awesome video idea.
Thanks for the insight man! I will definitely be picking these up. I just got my FX6 a couple days ago so I'm still adjusting to the menu and settings. I had an FS5ii about a year ago but I have been shooting on Z Cam for a year and I made the switch back to Sony after a long-awaited while on the FX6 release. I'll reach out if I need any help with this. You seem very knowledgeable for only having the camera for over a month! I subbed and will be looking for more of your work! Peace.
Thanks Jose!! When I got these LUTS the winter camera changed for me, they help so much. Feel free to reach out on my Instagram with any questions you may have!
Thank you for making this video!!!! I am a new subscriber and I will be a loyal one!!!!!!! great job!!!!
Thanks for watching David! I’m happy you found value in it 🤝
Please should I buy the a7siii version of phantom luts or the arri version of phantom luts ...m using Sony a7siii... please I need help
the A7Siii version.
If you stick to your native ISO (800 or 12800) and you "have" to stick to your shutter speed (180° rule) all you (can)do to adjust your exposure is to change your aputure, is that right, because that is quite hard especially if you have f4 lenses .... Or did I get something wrong ?
You can also adjust the ND filter depending on the light! I adjust ND and aperture. If you’re shooting in low light with an F/4 lens you can change the base ISO or add more light 😊
Great video as always Spencer 👏🏻 i think you have an external monitor, or? I use only the official fx6 monitor 🥴 and i only loaded the rec 709 lut in my cam 🥴 i think that is my problem 😉 must upload the Phantom luts in my fx6 💪🏼😂
Thank you!! Yeah I use a Atomos Shinobi when I’m on set but this was all on the built in monitor. It works fine in a pinch 😃 Yes I highly recommend getting these luts!!!
@@SpencerStanley thanks bro 🙏 i have these luts 💪🏻😉
it kind of works with canon but i can imagine how good it will look on sony fx3
Did you get the Canon LUTs?
Joel's Phantom LUTs are legitimately a game-changer. The A7SII-version basically made me look at my own stills camera (A7II) in a completely new light - I'd always thought it was terrible for video and couldn't do SLOG2, but the Phantom LUTs made the image look so much better than I'd ever thought. Glad to see they're doing the same for the FX6 :)
That is awesome!! I may need to try them on my A7Riii as well then. I’m still blown away by how good they are 😅
you just said mirrorless cinema camera ?
Technically is 😅
As an Arri User I don't get it why everyone tries to get the arri look, instead of trying to work with the color space of the camera of choice?
There is a reason you own an Arri.
@@SpencerStanley I don't own an arri, but film with it :)
@@pangaeamedia.21 Colour science aside these LUTs are just awesome and easy to use. You get an amazing neutral look to work with in one click.
Oh hey, I shot the Wild Ones Never Die campaign video for P&Co!
Legendary!!!! P&Co is one of my favourite brands. Very jealous you got to work with them!
@@SpencerStanley yeah those guys are great. Shot the Dark Daze campaign too. Funny story about WWND, I showed up with my cinema camera and my Nikon D90 as a photo cam, but forgot my fucking BATTERY for the cine cam, so I had to shoot the whole thing with the D90. Didn't quite come out how I'd hoped but it wasn't the world's worst look 😂
@@Owlbot that is hilarious 😂😂😂 I have made similar mistakes too, they’re easy. I literally have checklists that I triple check now because of mistakes like that.
Loved this video man very informative! awesome footage too.
Thanks Davis! That means a lot I appreciate it.
Not one mention of a light meter - this generation.
Never used a light meter in my life
Really good content . Keep it up
Thanks mate!
So, where are the ARRI look examples?!?
Did you watch the video?
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How to apply from luts in fx6
Hi Ganapathy! In the video I should how you can import and apply the luts in camera on the FX6.
Great vid man! Keep it up! Subscribed!
Thanks, Jono! Happy to see you stick around
Awesome video man . Quick question when it comes to exposing slog 3, what are the circumstances if I used VNDs ?
Thank you! Nothing should really change if you’re using VNDs. You just want to make sure you’re exposing it properly still if using them. I would dial in my camera settings to where I want them for video and then adjust my VND accordingly until the image is properly exposed. Hope that helps!
@@SpencerStanley thanks bro 👍
@@elbork1 no problem! Feel free to reach out if you have any issues.
Yo great video dude! Been waiting for my FX6 to arrive to I'm living vicariously through you! Excited to be here for the journey!
That’s amazing man! I remember before mine came I watched every single FX6 video on TH-cam 😂 excited for you to get yours!
3:46 straight to what we came here for
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When you say expose properly, are saying NOT to overexpose? Literally everyone else says this sensor needs overexposure. My own tests are all over the place. It’s the one thing with Sony that’s so frustrating. Shot to shot looks so different when I get the footage back in my computer.
Totally agree! It can be frustrating with these sensors sometimes. I would say don’t overexpose unless you don’t have a lot of light. From my tests overexposing is fine but you don’t need to. The creator of these LUTs says you don’t need to overexpose the image at all with these new 10-but sensors.
I keep hearing that when you have your monitor lut (MLUT) installed and are judging exposure, whenever you change exposure, it only changes the monitor lut and not what the camera is actually recording. Coming from a Bmpcc 6K g2, how can I get it so the monitor out shows exactly what the FX6 is going to record? Thanks.
This is an older video so I do not completely remember but I'm almost positive I review this in the video. It should show your exact exposure, just make sure when in CIne EI mode to use the Same EI as your base ISO (ex. 800).
can u teach how to color grade
Like basic colour grading?
Dude thanks! Epic video!
Thanks man! I really appreciate that
next time make a one minute video
I did
Great video!!
Thank you!!
Great video, well explained
Thanks Brian! Appreciate it mate.
I use the Sony A7III and this was a huge help to me
Amazing!! I'm really happy to hear that.
love the videos
Thanks Josie! I’ll be posting new videos soon, I’ve just been tired of with client work 😅
I have been going through the exact same issues coming from Canon to the A7sIII. I was recommended the the Phantom Luts pretty early on but monitoring SLog3 while recording can be so challenging haha doesnt help that the A7sIII has such a terrible screen.
I have seen many comparisons between the FX6 and A7sIII but none of them mention how you're able to load luts into the camera which is actually a pretty big deal!
It’s a huge deal! Loading LUTS into the camera is extremely
Helpful when shooting SLOG3. From what I’ve heard your best bet is to use gamma display assist. I’ve never used it so I’m not too sure how well it works for monitoring. If you’re shooting anything professional an external monitor that you can load your LUTS into is the way to go though. The screens are just too small.
The phantom lut was designed so that you can use gamma assist on the A7S3 to monitor slog3.
@@angelitojusay593 Yup! I now have a A7Siii and use Gamma Display Assist all the time.
Do you shoot with your luts loaded in your viewer?
Yup!
@@SpencerStanley I see now. I took a break in the middle of the video to eat dinner and now that I've watched it though I feel like a goob for asking.
@@jonathonfriedl1766 all good I’ve done the same for sure 😂
Where are you looking to keep your skin tones on the histogram?
I’d be lying if I said I always used my histogram. I’d say I expose to what I see on my monitor most of the time. My zebras are set up to 55(+-5) for zebra 1 and 100 for zebra 2. The biggest thing I try to avoid is clipping highlights (depending on creative direction) or crushing shadows. I find that it’s safer to expose a little hot with SLOG3 as it’s extremely easy to bring back compared to underexpose.
Just a quick note: When this video was recorded both the A7SIII and FX3 didn't have the "import LUT" feature.
But with the V2 firmware for the FX3 (released this month) there's now CineEI and you can load LUTs, like the FX6 and other cameras in the cine line (which is awesome).
But A7SIII still isn't capable of loading luts or filming in CineEI mode, just normal slog3.
EDIT: Btw, awesome video, really helped me out!
I saw that! I have an an A7Siii too but not a FX3.
@@SpencerStanley Forgot to thank you for the video! Sorry for that, but better later than never right? Great video!
@@fer_pena no problem, thank you!
what is 800 ei?
When shooting in Cine EI mode Sony uses expose indexes. The simple way to think of it is that your monitor is showing the exposure at 800 ISO. You can change you EI to display a different exposure while keeping the same base ISO for best dynamic range. So you can lower you EI to over expose a bit if you want. I also keep my EI at the base.
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Love to see it 👍🏻
those greens look awesome, just started saving money to buy and fx9
Greens were amazing, FX9 is money 😮💨
Shooting prores raw sloves all this especially if u know how to develop d image
I'm pretty happy with Slog3.
Thanks for this video man 🙏
whats is the name of the font you use on this video?
Thank you! Its Capitolium bold.
I love phantom luts. I purchased the Arri and Film combo, it was worth it for myself. The creator of the luts said you don’t need to over expose your footage for his luts, but I was never able to get good results with that. I wish the s3 could have our own luts for a color profile.
Couldn’t agree more. On my A7Siii I just use gamma display assist and expose normally to my eye. The A7Siii has a pretty crappy screen though… sometimes it makes it harder to nail exposure. It’s a lot easier with a monitor. I’ve been not overexposing at all lately and really like the results.
You can NOT import LUT's in A7SIII. I use Ninja V.
Yup, only on a FX6
New suscriber👍🏻🔥
Love to see it Jim!
Have you noticed a difference just loading the luts into your Shinobi for monitoring and shooting in custom mode with the slog3 profile selected?
That’s actually a great question! I haven’t done that yet but I have noticed when shooting in Cine EI and loading the LUTS into my Shinobi to monitor them I don’t like the look as much. It seems to have a bit more contrast than the Sony monitor. I’ve played with some setting to adjust this but it isn’t the worst thing ever. My plan is to upgrade to a Small HD monitor eventually, having a thin SDI cable would be way better than the clunky HDMI one I’m using.
OK, so with my DSLR, I’m used to shooting at a static aperture/speed, then put iso on auto. How are you changing exposure if the ISO is static?
You almost never want to put your ISO on auto. unless maybe you're vlogging or don't care much about the image quality. You always want to shoot at whatever your base ISO is to preserve the most dynamic range. I would keep my ISO and shutter speed locked in and adjust my exposure with ND or aperture, but I try and keep my aperture locked in as well depending on my scene. Hope that helped!
@@SpencerStanley Thx so much. I shot some test footage last night and it looked so bad. Not sure what I’m doing wrong. How do you know you are at the right exposure? Just eyeball the monitor?
@@SpencerStanley The learning curve going from a dslr to the fx6 is really high. I had no idea. Rented it for a project this weekend. Might just end up shooting on my own camera…or maybe not shoot in S Log.
Thanks for the info & samples:):
No problem!
Speaking to much showing so little 😞
Oops
New subscriber :) does the luts work well also for scinetone?
Thanks for subscribing! No S-Cintetone is designed to be used on its own :) the whole point of S-Cinetone is getting a nice colour out of the camera efficiently without any grading.
Thanks for the video Spencer! Judging exposure just from looking at the monitor would give me so much anxiety post shoot haha. Great if it works for you and your workflow. For safety I'd just check at least one tool that doesn't rely on my eyes like the histogram or false colour :)
You’re welcome Maggie! I always check my histogram as well 😅
What does 800 EI mean?
EI means exposure index. The simplest way of explaining is that the camera is always at the base ISO of 800 or 12,800 when filming in Cine EI. You only change your EI to exposure your monitor differently to your increase or reduce exposure but the actual footage doesn’t change.
Awesome tutorial man! Any tips for getting rid of that Sony “digital” look? I use the s709 lut for monitoring and post but sometimes I find the image too sharp and crispy.
Vintage lenses, diffusion filters or soften it in post.
I’m actually just working on a video about diffusion filters! Stay tuned for that. They will 100% do the trick.
dude how ar you expose s log 3?
Just with these LUTS and my eyes. I check my waveforms as well. Expose at ISO 800 and 800 EI/.
transitioning from my a7siii. whole different beast. this definitely helped. thanks.
Amazing Johnny! I was in the same boat so I'm glad this helped.
3:47
You're welcome
Thanks!
Are you using a mist filter for the shots around 4:06?
And what camera are those shots on?
I honestly can’t remember but I would have to go ahead and say yes, it’s always on my lens. Everything is shot on the Sony FX6.
@@SpencerStanley Do you think it's possible to get that look on an a7siii? Which mist do you use too?
@@wildfernweddings4187 Yes! The cameras produce an almost identical image in my opinion. I use a A7Siii as a B camera and gimbal camera. I use the tiffen 1/8 black promist. I have videos on my channel for the promist as well as how you can get this look with the A7Siii if you want to check those out.
big ups bro thanks a tesla...
I think that’s a compliment?
The part where he really starts to talk about the theme is at 3:46, in case you want to spare time.
Just trying to give people some context
Sorry man but the image from an Arri is a cinema image that cannot be replicated by a mirrorless camera. So many of these videos leading people to believe if they get a FX3 and the phantom LUTS they are good to go. Not a chance!!! If that was the case Hollywood would be using the A7SIII and FX3 which they are not. The best way to get the Arri look is to buy a Arri
Define cinema image? There's a reason I say Arri "look." I don't think anyone is actually watching this video and thinking a $5,000 camera will outperform an Alexa. The people looking to buy a FX6 or A7Siii aren't in the market for an Arri, nor do I really think they need one. I understand your point but I feel like you misunderstood the point of the video.
I would like to give you some constructive criticism, real fast. I'm at 5:01 into this video. At 3 minutes you asked for a subscribe... that's three minutes I sat and watched you really talk about nothing and then ask for a sub. In the future maybe cut STRAIGHT to the meat and potatoes. I hate having my time wasted in a video and most ppl do. It has taken you 5:01 to FINALLY say that you are getting started. Why not get started straight out of the gate? I'm honestly surprised I've hung in this long. I usually don't do this and I normally just click away, which I am, but I do also see your sub count and for that reason I want to leave you with something that you could potentially see as just feedback, adjust your script, and maybe improve.
At 5:01 I still haven't seen one thing about settings, how to get the look, or how to implement it after 5 minutes of listening to you talk. That cant happen. Cut straight to the point of the video, maybe stop half way through instruction, ask for that sub after youve given me a taste of what your future instructional videos are like with the first half of the video, and carry on with the rest of the video. Again, IM at 5 minutes and 1 second. I cant wait any longer. I need that meat and potatoes being fed to me within the first 10-15 seconds of the video. I hope this helps improve your views, durations, and sub count in the future but for me personally, this is the reason that I am clicking away for now. I hope to see you again soon with some improved material in the future. Keep at it!!!
I appreciate constructive criticism but this is the most ridiculous comment I have ever seen. You just made a lengthy comment about getting to the point where you continued to repeat yourself at nauseam. Sorry my free video that I made in my spare time didn’t help you.
@@SpencerStanley Yea, isnt the redundancy aggravating? precisely my point. Look, its your channel. You can choose to take it however you want. If you don't want to grow, then act like this. If you DO, then listen to what your viewers/audience say to help you improve. Ill leave that to you and now I wont be returning at all. Good day, and I guess good luck. Seems like you're going to need it.
To get the ARRI look from your Sony FX6 is to sell Sony and buy Arri. ;-)
Big price difference 😂 if only hey
@@SpencerStanley yeahhh. everyone want ARRI. but Price too high, I ended with Sony F55, but prefer Arri Amira.
Ugh sorry man gotta say.....terrible audio
Totally agree, was missing a extension cable for my mic but wanted to make the video.
Fx6 is not really a cine camera. Its just a7s iii with some added cine features
That is a high untrue statement haha