i believe it clicked for me a few weeks back. it's basically like how they say to overexpose slog3 to +1.7 (generally) to then bring down in post to reduce the most noise in a scene. with Cine EI, you'd set it at 800 ISO and then drop it 1.7 stops and then adust aperture/lighting to have your meter read 0.0. that way you're seeing what the final (after dropping exposure in post) image on your monitor or camera screen. is that pretty much it?
Awesome! So glad I could help! I don’t usually use grain in my videos, but when I do, I use Filmconvert since they have actual scanned film grain and can tailor everything to whatever camera you shoot on. And then I usually choose the 35mm, but it can vary depending on the project.
Cine EI is moving the stops of dynamic range left or right. Your video is wrong. The 6400EI/5.0E/H is telling you you have 5 stops of dynamic range in the highlights at 6400EI.
Now I understand it a bit better. Within 3 weeks I have to shoot a wedding with my FX6. My wife will use the sony pxw-z280 as B-cam. So for color match I thought using slog 3. Will this run and gun so will work in slog3? I mostly shoot s-cinetone but the Z280 doesn't have this .
I have watched many videos on this but still don't "Get" it. I shoot with an external monitor and check false colors when I am shooting and have a LUT applied which basically does the same thing and shows me what my "end" result will be more or less. What's the difference? Is this just when you are using the cameras monitor and with out a gamma display applied? Otherwise it does not make that much sense to me or it is basically the same thing. I always shoot in my dual base ISO's manually .
So basically on the fx30, 800 & 2500 are the native iso, but if I have a lot of shadows in my scene, then 800 but 400 ei & bring the ev back up to 1.7 2.0 ?
I don't think the ZVE1 has Cine EI. I believe it only offers Flexible ISO. But as long as you shoot slog3 and only shoot on the dual native ISO's, you should be good to go!
Do you know how to get a LUT to show on the viewfinder without baking it into the footage? I'm not able to figure out if that's possible and have heard it's not...
@@WakeUpMatt On the contrary, I thought you did a great job. Definitely helped me understand it better than previous videos I’ve watched. The side by side examples and the LCD view was excellent. Keep it up 💯🙌🏼
So basically Cine EI is an exposure-variable LUT that allows you to preview grading results. To use it, you have to have your display LUT setting turned on.
i believe it clicked for me a few weeks back. it's basically like how they say to overexpose slog3 to +1.7 (generally) to then bring down in post to reduce the most noise in a scene. with Cine EI, you'd set it at 800 ISO and then drop it 1.7 stops and then adust aperture/lighting to have your meter read 0.0. that way you're seeing what the final (after dropping exposure in post) image on your monitor or camera screen. is that pretty much it?
How is this better than just using a LUT preview? Genuinely confused...
Thanks for watching! Let me know if you have any questions!!🤙🏼
you can really tell the difference in noise from 5:11 to 5:25 ! Doing it with the lower EI makes a difference for sure.
No this was actually very helpful. Thank you!
@@XxavierPolk thank you! Glad it helped!🤙🏼
well done...really appreciate the explanation 👍
Hey Matt, thanks a lot, its not confusing anymore. What grain do you use to prevent color banding in ur videos? Is it 8/16/35mm. Love ur channel mate
Awesome! So glad I could help! I don’t usually use grain in my videos, but when I do, I use Filmconvert since they have actual scanned film grain and can tailor everything to whatever camera you shoot on. And then I usually choose the 35mm, but it can vary depending on the project.
Finally I got Thanks👍
@@Clercqb awesome!!🙏🏼
What do those numbers E/H mean after your EI number?
Cine EI is moving the stops of dynamic range left or right. Your video is wrong. The 6400EI/5.0E/H is telling you you have 5 stops of dynamic range in the highlights at 6400EI.
Now I understand it a bit better. Within 3 weeks I have to shoot a wedding with my FX6. My wife will use the sony pxw-z280 as B-cam. So for color match I thought using slog 3. Will this run and gun so will work in slog3? I mostly shoot s-cinetone but the Z280 doesn't have this .
@@BONLEV so glad! I would definitely recommend slog3 for the best dynamic range and to match easier 🤙🏼
I have watched many videos on this but still don't "Get" it. I shoot with an external monitor and check false colors when I am shooting and have a LUT applied which basically does the same thing and shows me what my "end" result will be more or less. What's the difference? Is this just when you are using the cameras monitor and with out a gamma display applied? Otherwise it does not make that much sense to me or it is basically the same thing. I always shoot in my dual base ISO's manually .
So basically on the fx30, 800 & 2500 are the native iso, but if I have a lot of shadows in my scene, then 800 but 400 ei & bring the ev back up to 1.7 2.0 ?
Sony EI is still weird and confusing for me but like you, I rely on false color on my external monitor for exposure.
For sure!! But only having the two ISO options is sooo helpful for me!
Great video!
Thank you!!🤟
What lens do you use for this?
I shot it on the Sony 24-105, but you can use any lens with Cine EI
Since the ZVE1 has the same sensor and specs, these settings should work for that too?
I don't think the ZVE1 has Cine EI. I believe it only offers Flexible ISO. But as long as you shoot slog3 and only shoot on the dual native ISO's, you should be good to go!
How is this better than just using a LUT preview? Genuinely confused...
Tbh, the only reason I use it is to limit the ISO to only Native values and to shoot on LOG 🤙🏼
Do you know how to get a LUT to show on the viewfinder without baking it into the footage? I'm not able to figure out if that's possible and have heard it's not...
12800 EI down to 6400 EI is one stop , not two , ?
I don't think you explained very well at all, to be honest. 😀
Well at least you’re honest
@@WakeUpMatt On the contrary, I thought you did a great job. Definitely helped me understand it better than previous videos I’ve watched. The side by side examples and the LCD view was excellent.
Keep it up 💯🙌🏼
@@omegajourney4668 thanks so much!!
Agreed. This didn’t say shit
So basically Cine EI is an exposure-variable LUT that allows you to preview grading results. To use it, you have to have your display LUT setting turned on.