Relationship Therapist Ranks Disney Romances 2
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Would any of these Disney couples actually live happily ever after?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright dive back into the world of Disney animation for round two of ranking Disney romances! They're taking a look at 5 more classic Disney couples to see what's good, what's bad, and what's ugly. This time we've got The Aristocats (Duchess and O'Malley), Hercules (Hercules and Meg), Mulan (Mulan and Shang), The Princess and the Frog (Tiana and Naveen), and Tarzan (Tarzan and Jane) to see which couples might be headed for tough times ahead, and which seem to be on pretty good footing to get to happily ever after. From lying about their identity or goals, to facing preconceived notions about people or life, to literally dying, there's some pretty big hurdles for some of these couples to overcome.
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When did Hal do any favors for Roxanne just your own ideology and worse people thinking they deserve it.
Niceness is actions goodness is belief kindness is both
Goodness without niceness is
Do you think the defense attorney in the green mile was good. He believed he was guilty and didn't want him to get way with it . Do you wish real lawyers were like that
Talk about the series of these shows.
Did you watch the Tarzan series
I found it refreshing that Mulan and Shang aren't properly together by the end, but are taking it slow. They need time to know each other as themselves, and not as comrades.
Agree!! I also like that he visits her home and have her family knowing about him as they get to know each other. I really think, unless you have a toxic and controlling family, getting families involved early on is a wise thing. They know your greatest downfall and your best self. They have your best interest in mind. And meeting each other’s family doesn’t mean the relationship is now serious or has a level of real commitment at all. I always hated that pressure on meeting each other’s families.
Love your profile pic
@@kittylover4974 Could you explain the pressure thing? Like, isn't that natural? :')
@@Liz66. The way I see it, there is pressure in wanting to show your best sides to the other's parents/ family and have them like you. However, I also dislike the ridiculous exaggeration in movies, when i.e. there's palpable fear of the SO meeting the parents or the father being all overprotective and threatening dismemberment. It's overplayed in cinema and therefore,too many people take it for real.
which obviously would be the best idea even if they hadn't met like they did since the 1st year of a relationship doesn't give you a real idea of who the person is unless you were friends first and feelings only came later.
With Shang, I noticed after a couple more watches that after Mulan told him about the Huns and before he meets the emperor, he does very subtly look around. So he did believe her. And as for Naveen, the very first time he meets Tiana, he flirts with her but she brushes him off. And rather than doing the cliche of pushing it, he just casually accepted the rejection and went on his way. I always liked that about him.
That's something as a kid I always liked about David from Lilo and Stitch. Other guys were very pushy in movies (even in disney), but David was ok with waiting for Nani until she was in a better place. He spent time with her and her family without any pressure or anger that they couldn't date yet.
@@happybunnyntx David is a gem
@@happybunnyntx It’s also clear that David has a great relationship with Lilo (like an older brother) and that his friendship with Nani is also solid.
He could have easily been bitter toward Lilo and tried to convince Nani to give her away, but he knew how important they were to one another; glad he wasn’t a “Nice Guy”.
THIS! On both parts. Shang had to almost pretend to hate Mulan for military/legal reasons. He did what he could do until all hell breaks loose and he could actually "listen to a woman." Naveen is straight up sex and I love that he learns to be more than that. He's a playboy who finds out there's more to life and that's actually kind of awesome.
@@TheMedicatedArtist david is a good egg.
I want to point out how Naveen specifically says as he is practicing his proposal, “I can get a job, maybe two!” This says a LOT about how much he respects Tiana and her desires and dreams. He comes from royalty and could probably win his parents over to get them money, but no. He is excited at the thought of supporting her through genuine hard work, just like she has always done. It shows he is willing to make sacrifices for her and that he now shares her dreams and aspirations. And the best part is that, in the end, they find happiness and a comfortable lifestyle in the middle.
I kinda disagree. It just shows his magical thinking and lack of practical knowledge of the world and his own capabilities. What job does he think he's going to get? How hard does he think a job is? How many hours does he think he'd be working? Tiana's been busting her butt from birth and is exhausted working two jobs but Naveen thinks he can just go pick one up because he's decided to start working and a job will just fall into his lap.
At this point, he's been cut off from his parents, he can't even handle "be rich and don't do dumb shit", we don't know if there's any future prince or princesses about to pop out of one of those **thousands** of women he's been with already or how many stds he's picked up along the way.
When she meets him he's planning on marrying her friend for her money, and spending his life cheating on her. He spends a day or so with Tiana before he decides to just be a completely different person because that's what she likes, despite having no foundation to achieve his goals. He spends all day on a date she wasn't expecting because **he's planning to marry her rich best friend** then is surprised to discover she actually has dreams and goals.
Literally the one thing we know about Tiana is she's working towards her restaurant. Everyone who's ever met her knows that. This guy is trying to propose before he ever finds that out. All he knows is that she likes working on things so he's like "ok cool I'm going to work on things too .... what's work and how is it done?"
Her bar is so low he doesn't even need ro cook to impress her, just cut things into smaller pieces. Every single man Tiana knows can cut his own damn food without her instructions.
He likes to sing and play music but he's not even good at it .... does he have one single talent or skill? One redeeming quality other than "changed himself for a woman", but changed from "useless arrogant womanizing gold digger" to "useless romantic sugarbaby"?
Like, it seems like his job in Tiana's restaurant is "host" at best. His parents show up with money, she does the real work, and he just kinda hangs out having fun.
His contribution to her is "teaching" her to have fun or whatever, because apparently her friends inviting her to go out all the time and her suitors trying to get her to relax once in a while were just background noise and only this guy's opinion matters.
Tiana isn't having a romance with Naveen, they're experiencing the bridge effect. They barely know each other, their views and dreams are diametrically opposed, and they have no topics in common whatsoever. They fundamentally do not and cannot understand each other.
After the honeymoon period ends, how would they really live? What would they talk about once they're no longer frogs? Does he know anything about business, cooking, running a restaurant, or living in pre civil rights american south? How's he gonna settle down to a lifetime of planning menus, dealing with suppliers, arranging employees, cycling product, holding staff meetings and all the other day to day of running a business?
Tiana was fine alone, but how's Naveen gonna handle her having no time for him because she's running a business and can't hold his hand through every learning step like a child. How's he gonna handle being the only person in the building who cant boil an egg or tie his shoes without a servant? When all the men he sees are stronger and more competent and all the girls would be happy to be with a rich handsome prince even if he was a lazy bum
@@pvp6077 you really wrote this wack essay comment over a kids movie character....
@@pvp6077 my god... get a job
@@pvp6077 ratio, ik, but i agree tho? that relationship had like no chemistry and it bugged me too
@@jinkieez and you're on a channel ehere two people discuss cartoons and movies. So? What are you doing here then?
O'Malley is also a VERY positive example of a stepfather entering into the lives of a mom and her kids. His main goal is always to aid the mom in not only raising and helping her kids, but also to make her, and therefore the kids, happy as well. They step up to a role where they really didn't have to, which my own stepfather did.
True, there are still very few positive portrayals of step-parents out there.
I always loved that movie and loved O’Malley wish I was lucky enough to have a step father that made my mother happy.
I love that he makes a point to include the kids in just about everything he does with Duchess. He gets a bit of one on one time with them and bonds with everyone individually and collectively. He doesn't try super hard to get them to like him, he just treats them with respect and is himself around them.
I wish my stepfather was like that.
@@alexanderv.domanski9246 The reason why we've got a strong "wicked step-parent" trope is probably that many people have bad relationships with a step-parent in real life.
Nani and David from "Lilo and Stitch" could also be an Honourable Mention. David clearly has feelings for her, and doesn't rush Nani into anything, knowing how hard it is for her to find a job and raise Lilo. He also treats Lilo like a little sister.
What I particularly love about that relationship is that it's a slow burn throughout the movies ❤
@@MikaMoonlight Plus he gets burned while working at the restaurant. He also jokes that she could date him, and they'll call it even when he gets her a job at the grocery store and she thanks him, asking him how she can repay him
Just going to say, Lilo and Stitch feels VERY different when watching as an adult, and knowing just what Mr Bubbles was doing there. The aliens coming in to blow everything up actually eases the tension.
Watching Lilo and Stitch with adopted siblings has given me a completely new perspective of this film. Mr. Bubbles is the antagonist for most of the movie, but he really does want what's best for Lilo. Furthermore, he is right. Nani is not in a position to take care of Lilo at the beginning. By the end of the film they have two new parents and the situation has changed for the better. Bubbles lets the family stay together because now that is what's best for Lilo.
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watching two grown men contemplate on the similarities between their wifes and their disney princess crushes is the cutest thing i have seen in a long time.
it's wholesome.
IKR
A happy marriage is dope af
And tarzan
This
Watching this, I cannot believe how old the Aristocats is (1970) and how modern its romance plot is compared to some more modern Disney movies. I mean, single mom with three kids ? Lonesome alleycat who just wants to flirt at first but then takes the kids as his own ? Them working out their class difference AND the question of the kids AND Madam AND being healthy every step of the way ? Given it was the last movie Walt Disney was personally involved in, it's amazing how the studio evolved from Snow White and Sleeping Beauty to this dynamic, and the many layers of Duchess : she's a mom, but she's also a girl smitten with a boy, loves to sing and dance, cares for the kid and Madam...
I guess it was more possible to be "modern" if the characters were animals?
"Lady & The Tramp" is an unexpectedly mature story too, but they got away with it because the main characters are dogs.
"Snow White" and "Sleeping Beauty" are fairytales though and didn't need very complex romances back then.
It’s not like Disney can’t do “modern” but of course if they adapt cehturies old material they aren’t going to add the Prince or Princess having kids to it just to be modern.
Although I would love to see Rumpelstilskin from Disney. The second half of the story is when the lead is a mother is trying to save her child from the bargain she made with Rumpelstilskin in the past to save herself. The DisneyToons films Lion King 2, Little Mermaid 2, and Return to Neverland had Simba, Ariel and Wendy have children, but the main studio hasn’t had movie like that.
Although maybe in Frozen 3 Anna and Kristoff have kids. If so I hope it’s a girl called Gerda who needs to find Elsa to save her cursed friend. You know, close to the original plot of Snow Queen.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Nice idea!
Single mothers have existed for a long time
@@sarasamaletdin4574
I mean Rumpelstiltskin was a major character in the live action show Once Upon A Time which was made by Disney. If you've never seen it, I highly recommend giving it a watch!
Shang doesn’t completely ignore the “why”. She tells him she did it to save her father and you can see in his face that this strikes a cord, as expected considering how recently he lost his own.
Agreed. It's a factor in him letting her go without punishment instead of death as is expected.
I love Aristocats so much. I love how even though Thomas is like "Oh shit kids???" for a second he immediately after gets this big grin on his face and starts doting on them, too. And Duchess isn't shamed for being a single mom ONCE throughout the whole movie.
Their cats though, being a single parent is normal lol
@@katlyndobransky2419 yeah obviously but it's a cat love story depicting human themes for humans to watch. The fact that the "single mom" theme wasn't shown in a negative light still counts for a lot.
@@LoreCatan no yeah I totally agree, but I feel like this theme would stand out a lot more if it was about an actual human single mom with children. I think this story’s message is mostly the fact that a single mother can still fall in love with a guy that loves her and her kids equally. I never questioned the fact that she was a single mother as a kid because they’re cats, and I knew that with animals, being a single parent is normal. Ofc changing the cats to humans would make the story really boring for a child, and I still love it non the less. But I feel like the idea of Duchess not being shamed for being a single mom falls flat just because she’s cat. However in all cases, single parents should NEVER be shamed. People change, and sometimes tragic things happen that we cannot control. Which is why I love the Aristocats’ message that some strangers can become family
Yeah, it’s definitely more progressive for its time and the owner herself is a happy bachelorette and not pining for a man. It’s too bad my 4 year daughter mover got into the movie 😔
Unless their kids turn out to be criminals. 😂👌
I've always adored The Princess and the Frog because it was one of the first movies in which I personally could ever identify character growth on *both* sides. It wasn't just "Oh, the guy decided he could give up his free wheeling ways," or "The hard working girl realized she had to cut loose once in a while." There was a middle ground that they discovered together. And then you throw in Lotti, who was willing to pass on her dream of marrying a prince so that she could save her friend. There is so much selfless love in this movie, and it remains a favorite of mine to this day.
I absolutely adore Lotti. I think a fair number of us can see ourselves in her or see Lotti in our best friends. Tiana and Charlotte grew up in completely different backgrounds, but that never really made a difference for those two. They were just BFFs. Lotti grew up spoiled, but she was never a brat. She always went out of her way to help her best friend. Lotti may be boy, or prince crazy, but she is the definition of sisters before Mr.'s. I love that despite her dream of being a princess, she realized her friend's dream was more important.
Gosh I love your comment and this reply 😭❤️
Yup. Underrated movie for sure
Lottie is HILARIOUS.
The Princess and the frog is probably the best not talked about Disney films
My favorite Disney couple is Rapunzel and Eugene. ESPECIALLY if you watch Tangled: The Series, when he tries to propose to her, and she ultimately says no ( which is shocking for everyone. ) But GOSH, the scene where Eugene talks to her about it, and he's so understanding, compassionate, and basically says he'll wait as long as he has to to make sure she is ready, and he's sorry for springing the question so early. Just, ugh, they're good.
Yes! They’re definitely my favorite along with Pocahontas and John Smith! Both are very beautiful couples and are my favorite Disney movies too!
@@kristinahuchison2511 You do know about the real story, right?
She eventually decided to propose to him instead. Though things happened instead.
I love that in that show the writers gave them problems, real couple problems. It wasn't happy ever after. There were doubts and fears and so many little things that everyday people live through.
@@Simplenotion 😒😒we are talking about the DISNEY relationships...
you think we care about your anti-colonialism crap? go read some REAL history (Like the original primary sources) and not that idiotic propaganda crap they teach in all the schools now.
I always loved O'Malley. He never tried to do nice things in order to get with Duchess. He just genuinely wanted to help her and her kittens.
I love that scene in the movie, because when he sees her kids (and obviously they're hers), he looks worried for a split second that he was flirting with a married woman. And he later becomes a father to them because that's what they needed.
@@BPJD2004i thought it was like a "oh sh*t she has kids"
When they said “Tarzan better build her a Swiss Family Robinson palace”, there was a TV show and they moved into his parents’ tree house. Also there was an episode I loved when Jane’s friends from England actually showed up in the jungle, and Jane is like “Tarzan please wear this suit we’re going to have a garden party” but he refuses, thinking she’s embarrassed of him. So Jane’s dad talks to him and is like “she lives in your jungle world everyday. Would it be so bad if you lived in her ‘civilized’ world for one?” And Tarzan finally gets it. Honestly so many moments in that show that address so many marriage issues lol.
Yes! The show was great and it was great to see their married life
I'm so happy that someone else has also watched this series! Tarzan was my favorite movie as a kid, then I was obsessed with the show. I loved getting the deeper look into Tarzan and Jane's Relationship after her difficult choice made.
@@spamachuchan8824 Yessss the show is sooo good! They have their problems but it’s the way they always find an equal compromise
I haven't watched the series. But this scene is actually the one from the movie Tarzan and Jane
I’m sorry to say that I hated it as a kid because my mom made us watch it at all times and it’s because she saw it when she was a kid herself and she was just reliving her childhood I’m ok watching it now she was actually extremely happy that Netflix had it and rewatched it all
Alan: “Do they end in a healthy place or do they end at the beginning of a healthy place?”
Me: *sweats in Greek mythology*
And herc umm unalived her and her kids in the og myth I think
@@gumdropthedutchie9012 In minecraft.
@@kendrajade6688 sorry what?
@Dustin W Megara was his first wife, iirc, the reason he had to do his 12 labors.
@@gumdropthedutchie9012 It's a thing where streamers and TH-camrs will say 'I'll kill you...in Minecraft.' It's like to get around censorship or something, I think.
They didn't talk about how Tiana basically sacrificed everything in the end as well.
She chose marrying him and staying a frog over becoming human and getting her dream restaurant. She sacrificed her entire life's hard work up until that point.
Hence they showed that they would both sacrifice anything for the other.
In the end she became a princess and broke the curse because of their love.
I see this point get brought up a lot, but the thing is, she didn't really sacrifice her dream. Sacrifice involves personal choice, willingly giving something up in exchange for something else. She didn't willingly give up her dream restaurant to marry Naveen, nor did Naveen coerce her into letting go of her dream. Outside circumstances made it impossible to attain, so she made peace with that and let it go in order to be happy with the person she loved rather than blame him for the loss, becoming lonely and embittered. The loss of the dream restaurant is like putting an offer down on your dream house, or applying to your dream college, and not making the cut. It's outside of your control, so it isn't a sacrifice, it's just a lost dream.
In a way, I think it was good for her to lose it, because I think making peace with the idea that you could lose the thing you want most can make you think about that thing in a healthier way (à la Jedi Code, lol). She was determined, but also I think a little misguided, when trying to make her father's dream of owning a restaurant come true. Having the dream snatched away allowed her to let go of that lingering grief over her dad's death and find a healthier reason within herself to want the restaurant. She realizes that the restaurant isn't the point of her dad's dream, her dad's dream is about doing things he loves with the people he loves most. So she's not being pushed to the brink of her capabilities by the weight of her dad's memory anymore, now she's walking hand in hand with the love of her life and blossoming into her own.
I don't see how not knowing how to change back is a sacrifice. They didn't have a choice. By happenstance, marrying her made her a princess so kissing a princess breaks the spell. They didn't have any other royalty around to try that on.
@@xejelah still the best couple
@@xejelahthey are sacrificing their dreams. The sacrifice isn’t them not turning back human, it’s them letting go of the dreams they would only be able to achieve as humans.
I'd love to see pacha and chicha from the emperor's new groove on the list sometime. Pacha's a great dad, they're such a cute couple and chicha is so helpful when they're trying to make it back to the palace before yzma. also robin hood and maid marian; one of the few relationships that had quite a bit of history and finding ways around the things that separated them
THESE BOTH OF THESE
Pacha and Chicha are literally couple goals.
both is good
AND , Anastasia, anya and demitri
I wish you would have commented on how Hercules handled Meg's false advances! He's very respectful of her, she puts her leg down and he looks away and respectfully puts her leg back down, she lets her strap fall off of her shoulder and he fixes it instead of letting it stay down or pulling it down further. I dunno, it just means something to me that he was very clearly attracted to her and yet he respected her instead of objectifying her and looking when he had a chance to.
i feel like he was just more of uncomfortable than wanting to respect her, he seemed really thrown off by her weird actions.
@@dollpickle he was an innocent teen but when he gulped when her strap was down he was definitely nervous. He was never exactly taught about flirting and such.
lol
Respecting her?
There was no reason for him to believe he would be disrespecting her if he reciprocated her advances.
As far as he knew, she was very interested in him, and it wouldn't have been against either of their wishes-- especially hers-- had he, again, reciprocated her advances.
It wouldn't have made Hercules a bad guy, had he done so.
He had no context, and was oblivious to her circumstances.
Yes. I agree. That was awesome that they incorporated that into the movie. Tho I do think it had more to do with him just being uncomfortable in the first place as he's never been in a relationship before, but it's very nice to see that he's respectful of her anyway
They forgot to mention that Tarzan chose to go back to England with her first before Clayton's betrayal changed his priorities towards protecting his family, where then Jane changed her mind near the end of the movie. So they both made the choice.
Yes! Exactly! I was surprised they didn't mention that part!
Also I think you need to take into consideration that he doesn’t really know the extent of what she sacrifices. He never lived it or really know much about what such a life might be like, even following her civilising efforts.
@@nurainiarsad7395 still as a man reised by monkeys he is way more human then most people
To add to this, Jane LOVES the jungle. Like, she actively shows a love for gorillas and the other beings in the jungle, its something she shares with her father. Jane has the capacity to enjoy and be free living in the jungle. Tarzan, on the other hand, doesn't know if he'd like London life, and he would be going back as a scientific discovery, making it far less likely he'll be happy in Jane's Victorian society. The choice she makes truly benefits both of them.
@@noahxavier6253 well said!
Fun fact about me: I actually have met Susan Eagan (the voice of Meg!) twice and she LOVED it when I told her my name WAS MEG! She was such a wonderful person and gives really good hugs 😊
Aristocrats is such a cute movie, and I absolutely love the female voice and the terms of endearment they use like "darling" it's just so cute
I will have to rewatch that movie at some point. It was my first movie I saw in theater when I was about five years old and I hardly remember anything.
Eva Gabor. She’s also great on green acres
I think Shang is more compassionate for Mulan and the why in that moment than you give him credit for. The very second Mulan reveals she did all of it to save her Dad, he immediately looks up in shock. Because he gets it. The war took his own father from him and he didn’t even get a chance to try to save him whereas Mulan sacrificed everything to save hers, fully accepting even the possibility of either dying in war or being caught and killed. You can see the conflict on his face as he considers whether or not to go through with the law of killing Mulan which eventually leads to his decision to let her go. There is compassion here even if Shang is putting up a front to keep his pride in tact and his soldiers still under his command. They both loved their fathers so much and as a result, they understood each other.
Even if Shang is hurt about the deception, he still has to maintain his composure and have no outward compassion to keep pride and not look weak in front of his soldiers.
I actually didn’t consider that angle with his own dad. Who he only lost like days ago and she even consuls him about it after he found out. Like, she gets it.
Good catch.
@@ThePa1riot I simultaneously loved and hated Mulan for trying to console Shang in that moment. She did what was in her nature; she saw someone hurting, and tried to ease that pain. And I love her for that. But on the flip side, her doing so reminded Shang that he couldn't be a grieving son in that moment; he had to step up and be a military commander. To him, a Commander cannot show weakness in front of his troops. He had to set aside his pain, his father, and his duty as a son to keep things moving so that more people didn't suffer the same fate. And every single time, I wish I could reach through the screen to tell her to give him a few minutes more.
@@warriormaiden9829 Right, it is bittersweet, because they are not at that level of vulnerability in their relationship yet, but a really great character moment for both of them.
i agree
@@warriormaiden9829 He would have had to face that eventually though. He did have a responsibility to carry on. If anything, her giving him her condolences might have made the reality of being orphaned so suddenly a little easier.
I love it when cats are portrayed respectfully, well... not as villains. Aristocats is one of those rare stories where I feel cats really get done good. So often they are villified and that hurts.
@JoyfulSorrow For some reason, you just reminded me of that scene in the movie, where the guy is having a glass of wine at an outdoor cafe, and he sees Roquefort the mouse chase the alley-cats. He looks at the bottle next to his glass for a second, before dumping its contents out onto the sidewalk. It was, like, "I've had waaay too much to drink."
(9/28/2022)
@@daniellemusella1594 That was a fun scene. 😄
@@daniellemusella1594 That was EXACTLY the scene I was going to comment on, when I saw this... It was hilarious!
Couldn't have written or expressed that better myself, EXACTLY like my thoughts..!😸😻
Wait a minute... ARISTOCATS
How did nobody catch this pun!
You cheeky bastard!
New idea for Disney couples to rank :
- Esmeralda/Phoebus - very underrated relationship to me, especially compared to how Frollo lusts for Esmeralda and Quasi falls heads over heels for her and sees her as an angel. Phoebus sees her as who she is, they fight, argue, save each other a couple of times, and they kiss in the middle of the movie, so the rest of it is actually them being in a relationship and facing challenges together.
- Beauty and the Beast just because I want to see how you guys handle the whole locked in a tower thing
- Anna and Kristoff/Hans - compare the two dynamics we see in these couples
- Not a Disney movie buuuuut sorta - Anastasia and Dmitry !
- The Encanto couple relationships - Felix and Pepa, Julieta and the dad, Dolores and Mariano...
They did a video about "Beauty & The Beast".
Agree so much with all of these
I know it is not Disney, but please do Anastasia and Dimitri in a future video. It is such a sweet relationship that builds up slowly.
Yeahhh
Actually Disney bought the movie so it technically is now!
They are my all time favorite couple
But their relationship starts in a toxic way as well. Dmitri lies t her all the way to Paris and wants to gain his own benefits from her situation.
@@dianapopova8783 well, as person who know reality of those times in Russia - it is not 'toxic', this is how people want to survive
What I loved about Tarzan’s ending is Jane’s father not only gave her his blessing, but stayed with her. You don’t always see that in films. It is always the parent letting go versus deciding to stay.
Yeah imagine Tritan just going “you know i bet I’d look great with legs and it would be a great diplomatic opportunity…”
@@FioreCiliegia Well I mean that one makes sense as its a physical change, land or sea, it isn't just about a parent holding on or letting go. And honestly, a parent sticking around TOO long (Cinderellas stepmom, The Evil Queen from Snow White etc) can be a negative.
@@celianunn2070 Why does nobody know their names are Lady Tremaine (Cinderella) and Queen Grimhilde (Snow White)
@@FioreCiliegia That would've sucked for Ariel. I'm sure she very much appreciated the distance from him considering he's a terrible parent.
@@MisterMuffinut While I did know Lady Tremaine's name, I never heard of Queen Grimhilde before. Ive only ever heard her be referred to as "The Queen" or "Evil Queen" (or Regina) So maybe that's why
As someone who adores cats, I always loved Duchess' line of "Oh no no, we mean FAR more to her than that." I would think to myself, "you're damn right."
They are most definitely our fur babies
My cat is named Berlioz. Love the aristocats.
I can understand Edgar being pissed off though. He worked for the old woman for years but she leaves her money to her cats. Doesn't excuse him trying to kill them though.
@@Xehanort10 to be fair, this is an education issue. No one ever told him cats DON'T have nine lives.
@@Xehanort10 but the money would go to the cat’s _caretaker_ AKA him! All Edgar had to do was wait and he would have gotten the fortune anyway! Duchess can’t exactly take him to court over what he spends the money on 😭💀
Can we also appreciate the fact that from the word "go" Megara was being manipulated by Hades? It was not her decision to deceive Herc; she didn't have a choice. Even then, she stands up to Hades after getting to know Hercules: "I don't care, I'm not going to help you hurt him". And her character growth is amazing - she goes from resenting men because she was so deeply hurt by one to sacrificing her own life to save Hercules.
I love that Duchess and O'Malley were number one! They remind me of myself and my husband. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds. He's more of that down to earth, says what he thinks type and I was raised to be more "proper" and gentle and censored in my speech. We had a lot of issues understanding why one another did certain things the way we did or why our life experiences shaped certain viewpoints that we held. You mentioned that O'Malley didn't really understand Duchess's love for her human and how that life meant so much to her, but he respected that it had importance to her and was sympathetic to that. In our relationship, we've discovered just how important that is. We don't always have the life experiences to understand the point of view that the other one has, but being sympathetic to each other and valuing each others feelings on things we don't understand has worked wonders for our relationship! I love hearing you talk about that because it really is super important!
Yes I’ll always loved them! 😭
Same here. I grew up an only child, not rich but not wanting for anything really, not spoiled but I never went hungry. Huge room, 4 poster bed, all that. My husband shared his room with his 3 brothers, didn't have hardly anything, and used an outhouse. DIRT poor. It really has shaped our lives, which in turn has shaped our marriage.
@@mamaseesa3122
so then um uh you’re middle class? neither crazy rich nor very poor is basically how I’d define middle class
Actually, Jonathan, Shang DID consider the why and that's what fueled his compassion. Watch the scene again and when Mulan mentions her father, there is absolute heartbreak in Shang's eyes since he knew the pain of worrying about his father at war all of his life but was powerless to save his life. If anything, Shang was angry, but saw her as an equal at least in motivation and truly admired that. Shang may not have been in love with her at the moment, but he respected and silently envied her sacrifice. Their bond is potentially the most powerful of any Disney couple.
This comment needs to go to the top of the pile!! I think Mulan is the most powerful story of respect between a man and a woman, and one where the man must actually confront all his prejudice about women, making the choice to value and support her because in proving herself she gives him no alternative. But it's in line with what you said about their trauma bonding, and feeling most connected to her, like when she gives him her support in the camp and when his father dies, because she's almost lost her father numerous times (when he fought and then when he was conscripted). It's also why I find it so cute that he's completely disarmed by her by the end, he's unused to the feeling of being on equal footing with a woman. Ah, Ancient China.
Ooooh, I agree. I like this angle.
Yes! I think the fact that he left her alive is proof that not only did he see her as an equal but he also saw her side in wanting to protect her dad, it's just that he is also a leader and has to follow the rules so that his men will trust and follow him.
YES. Shang and Mulan have massively strong chemistry because they are character foils. they each feel trapped by the gender roles they were raised in, but Mulan says "enough is enough" and casts off her obligations to femininity at the very beginning of the movie, as soon as her father is threatened. her goal is simply to protect the people she cares about, by any means necessary.
Shang is kind of a representation of the equally stifled other path. he was raised with obligations toward performing masculinity, and that has led him to his position at the start of the movie, as someone who is leading soldiers for the first time, and trying to do it well so as to put respect on his father's name and career. this concept of being someone respectable for the honor of one's family can be seen in Shang's attempts to lead his soldiers, and in Mulan's attempts to become a perfect bride. we even see these systems represented in the characters of the matchmaker on Mulan's side, and the emperor's attendant who constantly follows Shang around, recording everything he does and judging him. the scene where Mulan tells Shang that she thinks he's doing a good job, even though the attendant guy is constantly complaining, is important. because it shows that Mulan understands his struggle, even if Shang isn't privy to how different her perspective really is. Shang is still responding to his obligatory role, and Mulan knows that that's difficult. she's felt it too. but also, she only ends up in the same place as him because she rejected her prescribed role, and this frees her up to consider out-of-the-box options.
like, Mulan isn't instantly good at masculinity either! she struggles with it, and it is not portrayed as the answer to her woes, or anyone else's for that matter. these expectations lead Shang's father to his death, and nearly kill Shang and all of his men as well. Mulan saves them in the mountains, because she is different from them. they could not do what she did.
and by the end of the movie, what we're basically seeing is a reversal of positions, even as they lessen the burden of expectations for one another. think of it this way: Mulan was initially expected to be a good bride, but was judged inadequate by society's standards. then she goes off to be a soldier and eventually excels when placed under different expectations... but the key to that, is that she's being judged by Shang. and he is the type who eventually comes around on her methods when they're effective... he would rather see her succeed than be staunchly archetypal. meanwhile at the end of the movie, Shang doesn't have to exist in the context of war anymore, which frees him from the expectation that he be a good soldier, and the judgement of those who felt he was performing inadequately. he then goes to Mulan's home and tries to make a good impression by a different set of standards... and you know he'll be okay, because the one who would be "judging" him, is Mulan. the ball is in her court now, and she is equipped with the wisdom to both be herself, and let him be who he is. she doesn't need him to be archetypal if they can find a way to be happy.
Does everyone agree that Mulan 2 was garbage though?
YESSSS I’M SO GLAD THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT O’MALLEY AND DUCHESS. Aristocats was one of my favorites as a kid. I have a feeling they’re going to get a good rating because he’s all in, not just for her (even though that would be understandable, duchess is so dreamy), but for the kittens too.
YES!☺ They are my FAVORITE couple 😽😽
You mean Aristocats
stepdad goals for sure!
@@pokemonacer autocorrect 🙄
I was going to thumb this up, but the Duchess comment gave me flashbacks to my short time as a furry. I shuddered. But yeah, O'Malley was a really good person, even though he was a cat. I recommend you watch don Bluth's Banjo The Woodpile Cat before it gets locked up in a vault somewhere like Gone With The Wind did just for keeping itself in-theme for the movie's setting, oh, and the era it came from.
*Any who forget history are doomed to repeat it. And we're starting to see that happen.*
The Princess and the Frog will always hold a special place in my heart. The way Naveen looks at Tiana when she talks about her dreams is just amazing. He’s genuinely interested in her dream and wants to help her to get there even if he has been cut off. Although Tiana is blinded by her dream, this helps the plot so much because it leads to him showing even more interest in her dreams. They would both do anything to keep the other happy and I live for that.
My husband and I have been together almost 14 years now. We are still learning and growing. I even had a moment, the other day, where I did something INCREDIBLY stupid and I am used to the yelling/screaming from parents and his in-laws making fun of me and calling me stupid. So, when he got up and asked what happened...my natural instinct is to lie to make myself look better. I just sighed and looked at him. Then I said, "I did something so f'ing stupid that I want to lie. I want to make it seem....not as bad....but I don't want to lie to you." Then I told him what happened. All he did....was come up to me and hug me. Then he asked how he could help. Now that's love there. I am so grateful to have moments like that.
Tarzan *was* planning to go to England with Jane first. Situations changed after his gorilla-dad died, so he had to change his mind, but I think it makes her decision a little more equal in context. She knew he was willing to sacrifice everything he knew to stay with her, then he had to sacrifice his future happiness with her to help out at home, so it makes sense for her to be like "you know what, I like this guy, I think it's my turn to give something up".
((I also think that her dad immediately deciding to stay in the jungle with them takes away some of the impact of her sacrifice, since she doesn't have to give up her family any more, but she didn't know he was going to do that so it doesn't impact the scale of *her* choice))
I'm also fairly certain that in the animated series, Tarzan did build her a Swiss Family Robinson house.
I snortlaughed reading the gorilla-dad part. It just sounds hilarious. But he’s gorilla-stepdad, right? 😂
@@lunarsiren7216 I see what you're saying, but I think I disagree on the phrasing. Kerchak would be Tarzan's dad through relation of being Kala's partner. But emotionally he has shunned him and distanced himself throughout Tarzan's upbringing. From Kerchak's point of view it's a case of having lost his son only for his wife to go off and adopt a kid without considering his feelings. Tarzan becomes a symbol of loss-- both the death of his son and the rift between him and Kala. [Despite the fact, from Kala's POV, it's a case of help a baby or let it die. And her own grief can't allow her to have another child die when she can actively do something to prevent it.]
.... So if anything, I think Kerchak is more 'mom's ex-husband' with Tarzan wishing he'd treat him like his son and that they could have a happy and accepting family.
@@DarkwingSnark i think you hit the nail on the head with your analysis.
@@richardwarnercool1 Technically, Tarzan's mom and dad built it, but they do fix that place up as their perma-home. And the general location becomes essentially a port for episodic characters to land, hang out for a while, and then leave.
Jane's friends from England even show up in a couple eps.
Okay but Wall-E and Eve are another great couple for people who come from different worlds (literally lol) but they come together and learn to accept each other. Plus Wall-E is such a sweetie
This is one of my favorite movie ever.
But I’ll be honest, the #1 reason that I want them to do it is to see Jono masterfully extract all the details that make these two ridiculously “human” for robots.
¡¡I LOVE THAT MOVIE!!
My boyfriend and I grew up loving Wall-E and just how impactful the story was about taking care of the environment, an underdog saving an entire society, and the sweet love story of two robots. We were Wall-E and Eve for last Halloween, and I think it's such a healthy and beautiful relationship when the story ends. I remember I got mad at Eve for not seeing Wall-E's feelings and needs when I was little, but she had a mission to focus on. And when she did see what he sacrificed for her and took care of her during her shutdown, she pushed aside her mission to reciprocate.
ooh have they done a ranking Pixar couples video yet? Because them, Carl and Ellie, Buzz and Jessie, Woody and Jessie, Bob and Helen Parr of course, Colette and Linguini, Lightning McQueen and Sally, and Atta and Flik make for some interesting looks at relationships all 'round! (I think I got all the main relationships in Pixar films?? I guess Violet and Tony count too??)
Yasss! They need to include WALL·E and eve in their ranks!
Sometimes I forget you both have partners outside of this because you often give me the married for 30 years couple vibes AND THEN I remember that this is how actualy f*cking friendship looks like and apart from the amazing video I am very thankful to have you both on screen showing everyone that men CAN have very wholesome friendship with each other. I hope you get what I mean...
Google a history of male affection on art of manliness
I love how they only realize Mulan is a woman when her hair is down when she literally has the same length hair as 95% of the other men in the movie.
I thought it was bc they saw her chest binding 💀 and then after that it was bc she dressed feminine
@@chaoxiangalula4086 yea her tities was out and she was acting mad feminine then
@Captain Mercurian true but its still kinda funny that "Ping" had *shorter* hair than a bunch of the men but the exact same beautiful womanly face and feminine voice as Mulan yet everyone is still like 😱 she's a ladyyyy?!?! Only when they see the chest binder. I feel like Li Shang was attracted to Ping, felt conflicted about it and overeacts during the big reveal ngl 😬
@Captain Mercurian 😂
@@babyramses5066It's a slight cheat in the animation choices. Mulan as Ping not only has her hair up etc. but her eyelashes are drawn thinner when she's in disguise, and come back thicker when she's "revealed" to be a woman
8:45 I think Shang does consider the Why of Mulan's deception. He reacted to her saying she did it to save her father, and remember he just lost his own father. And he spares her life even though the law says he must execute her.
Yeah. His reaction wasn't "perfect" but it was realistic. And he had to get his head around a lot of cultural bias.
And that’s why it’s a good thing that they don’t rush into a relationship by the end of the movie (curse Mulan II), because they need time to connect with each other without any disguises, deception, or societal expectations
@@catdragon2584 Yeah, I love that it end with Shang being invited to dinner with the family. It's just wholesome and realistic, as you said, for them to really start to get to know each other
Yeah, the thing about lies is that even if you do consider and somewhat understand the why, you were still deceived by this person. In Mulan's case that's what Shang is trying to get his head around but also why he's automatically distrustful towards her. It's actually quite apt that she asks why Mulan is any different from Ping because she is different, he doesn't know how much she lied about, how much of Ping is just a made up persona, etc etc.
Thank you for writing this, because I immediately starting twitching when he said that! 😆
I too am a sucker for the “one partner fumbling/being awkward but other partner finds it cute” trope. But these gentleman are correct is that it only works when they already like you. I could have use a bit more focus on Shang’s epic compliment, “you fight good”
But does she jump good?
@@gentlemanlygeeky4088 this is funnier to me than it should be because part of my fitness journey right now is working on my jumping
@@Pikepaw not to mention the emperor having to tell him to go for it…twice
“you don’t find a girl like **that** every dynasty”
@@angelita98gaby Also, given that the Emperor is Mr. Miyagi from the original "Karate Kid" movies, I was yelling at the screen, to Shang, to go catch up with Mulan!
@@angelita98gaby facts 😎
Thomas O'Malley was the MAN! Ran across a damsel in distress and her children, takes the time out of his life to not only get them home safe, but also show them a great time and help take their mind off their problems, with zero expectation for anything in return. Then he stepped up even more to help save them again. Duchess is just an angel, sweet and devoted mother. Their love, including the kittens, seems like it develops naturally, with nobody trying to make it happen.
“Shang isn’t looking at Ping as a romantic interest because of heteronorms”
Shang: “Ping, if you were a woman I’d kiss you”
Also Shang looked so disappointed that she was a girl 💀
@@ellielovegood6307 dude is literally bisexual in denial 😂
His voice actor is gay also
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because he might have been kind of deceived? along with like literally all the other guys?
@@noorbohamad5796you're a breath of fresh air 👌
I know Anastasia isn’t technically a Disney movie, but it still has one of my favorite animated couples in it so I’d love it if they talked about them. Or even the movie in general lol
its part of disney now. they bought the rights to it
@@sierralovat5498 if that's true: i hate it respectfully 😭🥲
Yess, we need an Anastasia and Dimitri relationship video.
For years, we go around correcting people only for Disney to retroactively flip the tables
Definitely one of my favourite non-Disney movie but wouldn't their relationship be on par w/ Hercules and Meg? He was only using her and didn't expect to fall in love. He got extremely lucky that she ended up being the real princess. Unfortunately, as w/ most Disney movies, I feel sad when I think about the true story.
“More people need to get kicked in the face” is the best thing I’ve ever heard Alan say 😂
Well at least some good old kick in the ass can still serve as a good punishment, while hurting a little less than in the face on the other hand, as a more peaceful measure (maybe if peace is always an option somehow ?)...just saying 😅
@LauraKlotz So was running his fingers through his hair, and referring to himself in Meg's words: "-- a big, though girl".
(9/28/2022)
Mulan and Shang are my favorite because they have a relationship built on mutual respect. He doesn’t do a 180 when he finds out she’s a woman he already has a trust and respect but now that feeling can grow in an unexpected way. It’s the best because there was zero chance of romance when they met which means any emotions and impressions are pure and I uninfluenced by lust and romance. I think he’s allowed to feel a little betrayed by the lie but he comes around quickly and sheds an entire cultural norm and bias in less than ten minutes. He approaches the romance after with respect and no expectations. I don’t know I just think they are the gold standard of the Disney princess line up
I like how one of the animators, Glen Keane, animated Tarzan swinging through vines. He was inspired by his teenage son, who was doing a lot of extreme sports like skateboarding and snowboarding at the time.
I'd love to see them rate some Studio Ghibli relationships. Not all of them are romantic.
I should have read the comments before commenting, this is exactly what I said! I've always loved the relationships in Ghibli because it's not all about the happily ever after
Omgosh, yes!
OMGGG YESSSS!!!
Omg YES! they need to look into mote studio ghibli
YESSSSS
I love Meg as a character. I'm glad that you brought up the fact that even though she seems like a villain, she herself is a victim. It annoys me when ppl say "oh she started off bad but Hercules changed her view on people and she became good." No, she started off as a good person and got slapped in the face for it. I think that's extremely relatable. Trying to be a good person, but feeling like all it gets you is grief, so you just stop caring. Hercules didn't change her, he gave her a reason to be the good person she always was. Love them as a couple 🥰
I somehow feel like it’s maybe just a tad bit idk🤷♀️sexist?misogynistic? like if Meg’s a MALE then would people say pretty much the same stuff
but with like a gender swap?
or gender flip or idk🤷♀️whatever
I don’t think I can/could really remember comments with people saying stuff like that about Meg but then again hello! duh! Meg’s a SHE so um uh
OF COURSE there’s gonna be people saying stuff like that about her she’d be basically like demonized/antagonized:(with a certain male coming along and like “fixing” her or something whatever I guess): for having been victimized by a male of course that’s what happens to FEMALES victimized by males another example being how a blonde girl/blonde woman having been liked by the male protagonist but she got sexually abused by her own father so let’s condemn and demonize her cause she got victimized by a rather abusive make obviously
@@noorbohamad5796 tbh if Meg was a guy it wouldn't really be talked about in this way. So many male characters get away with stuff like this or worse w/o being vilified by viewers. Ex. Aladdin, Bruce almighty, she's all that, 10 things I hate about you, breaking bad etc. I do see your point but I feel like you can't just genderswap an issue like this: Meg's situation is much like so many women today and in history, stuck with an abusive husband/boss with no way to get out of her situation because he controls her life. Yes men can get abused too but this is faaaaar more common and systemic with women.
That's why it warms my heart to see them acknowledge the fact that she is a victim, even though what she's doing is wrong.
Thank you for rating Aristocats the best. Growing up it was my favorite movie, just because I love cats! I actually wore out our copy of the videotape, so we got a DVD copy. When I was older and better able to appreciate story and animation and all that, I loved it even more. My dad pointed out that the kittens are named after famous people who were French or associated with France: Marie Antionette is rather obvious, but Berlioz was a famous composer and Toulouse was a famous painter, and they even included those influences in the movie!
Meg I really feel sorry for. She ended up in Hades' employ to save her boyfriend, who then dumped her to run after someone else. So, she's in this abusive deal with Hades because she sacrificed for someone else who proved to be not worth it. So it takes her awhile to admit that there are good people out there.
So true about it taking *way* more than love. Mom and Dad are kinda opposite sides of the tracks, Mom from a poor background and Dad being solidly upper-middle class. Dad was *thoroughly* smitten with Mom while, from her telling of it, Mom spent most of their courtship trying to *scare Dad off.* One of her attempts was bringing a list of questions from a Catholic pre-marriage course to one of their early dates and running through them like she was conducting a job interview. Dad's reaction? "Finally! Someone GET'S IT!"
They've had a lot of rough patches, from Mom having to teach Dad what leftovers are to Mom almost dying, but they've been married 40 years and counting.
That's pretty cute ♡ hope your family stay healthy and together
😭😭😭😭 This is so cute😍
@@vicram7022 The *relationship* is healthy. Physically, well, turns out we're a bit of a genetic mess.
@@AndreaDiaz-rc3iy Thank you!
When there is understanding, love can last a long time! So sweet of your parents for putting that first. I hope your mom is okay now btw
I think Ariel's willingness to throw away her life wasn't just because of Eric but because Triton had just committed a major betrayal of her trust and made her feel like she didn't really have a home where she could feel safe and be herself anymore. So at the time it didn't really feel like a sacrifice, it was like Luke Skywalker leaving Tatooine after the moisture farm was torched.
Exactly! Before the Under The Sea sequence, Ariel was talking about connecting with Eric while remaining with her family... and then Triton wrecks her room and destroys all her stuff in a violent rampage. Criticizing her choice to leave reeks of 'stay with your abuser! It'll work out, probably!' which is honestly shocking coming from this channel.
Amen 🙌🏼
@@nikkipittman761 I think he clearly explained that he meant a totally dropping everything and everyone she ever knew. Perhaps he forgot about that scene. The movie is like 30 years old lol. They must have rewatched it for their new review. I'm checking it out now!
Yeah TBH Triton was _terrifying_ and I would've thrown it all away to get out, too.
And it's totally fair not to factor in the sequel, but Ariel wasn't trying to dump her old life entirely - they had to come up with a plot device for that to even be a point of conflict.
And then in the movie after that we find out Triton tried to _ban all singing_ because it made him sad. Seriously he is a monster. Ariel wanted legs so she could RUN.
Also she was pretty much obsessed with humans and their world way before she met Eric
Okay, Romances. But could you relationship rank some parent/child ones? Goofy Movie, Lion King, Maybe Long John Silver and Jim Hawkins from Treasure Planet?
I would LOVE to see both of these guys react to Treasure Planet. It's my favorite Disney movie, and an underrated classic
Or even just friendships. We've talked about Woody and Buzz, but what about like Aladdin and Genie, Lightning and Mater, Tod and Copper from Fox and the Hound?
Thisss!! Goofy Movie is so underrated
YESS
Yes!!
“Shirtless Shang covers a multitude of sins. SO MANY” I CAN’T WITH THESE TWO 😂
Meg and Hercules being compared to Delilah and Samson is hilarious and validates my feelings of that couple exactly.
For your next Disney couples list please look into Robin Hood and Maid Marian. They're the only Disney animated couple I can think of where they don't meet for the first time in their movie. They explain that they already have an established history of dating each other before the movie even starts and I think that'd be an interesting comparison to other couples who's relationships often moves pretty fast from meeting to falling deep in love, regardless of whether or not they get married by the end.
Like how Robin doesn’t want her to be involved as it would jeopardize her own comfort and well being since he’s labeled an outlaw.
@@JapanFreak2595 Yeah, they spend a fair amount of the movie assuming what the other is feeling when they're not around, but once they can finally talk to each other again, they're very open to expressing themselves.
There's actually quite a few notableish others although they are not the prominent relationships in the film such as Jim Dear and Darling from Lady and the Tramp, Dodger and Rita from Oliver and company, David and Nani from Lilo and Stitch, and if you look at their second movie together with their first because it's an official sequel not a direct to DVD, Bianca and Benard from the Rescuers and the Rescuers down under.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID😂
@@rebeccakaff6803 Even could do Pongo and Perdy's relationship... I mean they brought their humans together so THEY could be together
If you do a part three, maybe you could include Bernard and Bianca in The Rescuers. They're the first Disney couple who actually work together as a team. They're the kind of opposites attract where they balance each other.
Omg yes! They kind of remind me of Duchess and O'Malley (and I believe the voice actress for Bianca did Duchess too). If they ever rate or look into the Rescuers as a couple, I feel they'd be first place too.
@@B3llaBambin4 The voice actress was Eva Gaborone also stared in Green Acers
I think Pongo & Perdita have Bernard & Bianca beat by a good 15 years. Both are great couples though.
@phoenixfriend
Yeah, and they're a rare example of a Disney female lead actually flirting with and crushing on the _male_ lead first instead of the other way around and him having to chase _her._
It's a nice change of roles!
@@jazzycarlianna I think 101 came out in 1961and Rescuers came out in 1977.
I noticed something about Mulan when I watched it a couple of years ago: Her black hair is outlined in red, whereas Shang's is outlined in blue. Can't be unseen and I'm pretty sure it's a hidden clue at her gender.
That's interesting! As an Asian, I never realize this because the gender color assignment (i.e. red/pink = feminine; blue = masculine) is based on a Western culture. I'm sure in many Asian countries there is gender color assignment, but not necessarily the same formula (e.g. pink/red in my culture is worn by manly men).
@@pGFTuv in Western countries, until the last centuries (when colors were inverted), red/pink was used for males too, because it was related to blood, so courage and strenght, and blue was used for women because it was related to purity (ie. The dress of Holy Mary)
It's almost certainly just natural highlights and a way to show variety in character design. Yao has reddish hair outlines too. Some people have natural reddish highlights. Using red can also indicate a more brown shade rather than black. Using blue highlights in the hair tells the viewer that the hair is truly inky black, rather than brown.
Gotta hand it to the editors for this channel. They are so hilarious and do such a great job adding to the chemistry of our TH-cam Dads!
Our editors are amazing!!
@@CinemaTherapyShow how lovely
Next line up should include Quasimodo and Esmeralda! A relationship that goes from friendship with one hoping for romance to a really strong friendship and he is willing to do anything for her even though he knows she won’t love him the way he does and he ends up ok with it and it ends up being a healthy platonic relationship and he overcame a lot of self esteem issues
Or a break down of everyone in the movie. They are all interesting especially the villain I forget his name
@@sashabell2390 Frolo I think it was
Next line up might as well also include Lady and the Tramp (and just when you thought things would go great for both of them… well, wait until the scene before the ending and after “He’s a Tramp”, Mowgli & Shanti, Bianca & Bernard (The Rescuers duology), Nani Pelekai & David Kawena and maybe even Chicken Little & Abby Mallard…
I actually heard an interesting view of Quasimodo/Esmeralda and why she wound up going for Phoebus instead. It wasn't because he was deformed.
It was because Quasimodo and Frollo both fell into the opposite ends of a particular view of women (or a woman) called the "Madonna-Whore complex". Quasimodo put her on a pedestal and treated her like an angel, which is not a good place from which to form a relationship. Frollo, of course, saw only her sexuality and lusted after her. The song itself, shared by the two, might as well be titled "Madonna-Whore"... it is titled "Heaven's Light/Hellfire".
But Phoebus (again, this is in the movie, I had already read the book and I know it's quite different) treated her fully like a woman - he was sexually and romantically attracted to her, but also acknowledged her strength and intelligence. From the beginning, when he saw through her disguise, he showed that he wasn't just looking at a pretty face, but regarding the entire person as a person.
That was why he was the right man for her (again, in the Disney movie).
Sounds like my best friend and I
I recently rewatched Aristorcats and I was so surprised with how much I liked it. It was a lot better than I remember and it was refreshing to see a couple who actually got along at the start and were just happy to be in each other's company. Dutchess and O Malley are surprisingly one of the best Disney couples. Hell, ANY cinema couple for that matter! I wish more couples were like them in movies, instead of a lot of the shit we get in romcoms.
TBH I always saw Lady and the Tramp as a dog version of Aristocats, minus the babies and the attempted murder
@@celianunn2070 lol i forgot there was an atempted murder😂
@@celianunn2070 I love Lady and the Tramp, but Aristocats has MUCH better characters and story. Lady and the Tramp is basically just another "naive young lady falls in (literal) puppy love with 'bad boy,' gets her heart broken, teaches him to settle down" plot, whereas in Aristocats both Duchess and O'Malley are experienced adults who enjoy each other as-is and have no issues with who the other is as a "person" (cat). Also Lady and the Tramp's excuse for a "story" is kind of all over the place, whereas Aristocats has an actual _plot._
@@GoddoDoggo "Pampered city girl falls for guy on the wrong side of the tracks' - both
Lady didn't get her heart broken, there was a misunderstanding that quickly she got over
And neither "teach" the guy to settle down, in both the guy CHOOSES to settle down
"Like each other as is, and have no issues with who the other is" both do that
Lady in the Tramp is actually easier to follow as it's been done hundreds of times. Aristocats is the same but with slight twists that make it different.
Let me guess you grew up with Aristrocats as your favorite but didn't watch Lady in the Tramp at all?
I loved how at first O'Malley first meets duchess he was a bit taken aback by the kittens and by becoming their father but quickly accepts them in the same scene. Sort of like he was saying "oh well I guess I'm a dad now 🙂"
My god I love this channel. You guys do such a good job of calling out actions that are red flags in relationships, but also of recognizing that it isn’t a black-and-white thing and that all relationships are different. I also really appreciate that you’re willing to talk about things like heteronormativity, racism, etc. instead of dodging around the topic or pretending it isn’t there, which is something that happens a lot in cinema analysis of various kinds. I feel like my knowledge of healthy relationships has improved massively since I started watching these, and I’m a lot more secure in what certain red flags look like and which problems can be solved. Thank you both. ❤
You're so welcome! And thank you for your kind words!
When you gave the initial list I thought “well duchess and Thomas are clearly the most healthy couple here” he immediately is down to sacrifice it all for her kittens 🙌🏻
O'Malley and Duchess is peak relationship goals. I love Eva Gabor's voice as Duchess and as Miss Bianca in Rescuers, she had such a beautiful rich voice.
Oooooh, now I want to see their take on Bernard and Miss Bianca!!
@@sabrecrafted7409 *SPOILER!*
You do know that in the books, Bianca friend-zoned Bernard when he proposed to her, don't you? ='[.]'=
Also, unrelated, but isn’t it just so cute to be able to associate Gabor’s voice to such iconic main characters who are both white and fluffy? And zoologically opposites, like mice and cats?! ❤️
Such an unbelievably charming actress
How often do l make jokes about chemistry? Periodically.
Love this!
How often do I want to blow my brain out? Every time I see this joke
As soon as I see the title of this video I just had to make sure Naveen and Tiana gets a good mention. Their love dynamic is so wonderfully written and so underrated! They don't just fall in love with each other, they introduce new perspective of life to one another, teaching each other necessary things that both are missing in their individual life. It sounds easy, but to execute the journey as well as the movie did wasn't easy! I love the scene at Mama Oddie's place, Naveen saw Tiana dancing and laughing, and he just was so in awe with her that the coin (representing money, what he originally wanted out of life) slipped and dropped from his hand. The way these two found each other and fit together feels so wholesome. Many praise Flynn and Rapunzel but imo these 2 had way a better love arc.
Me and my mom used to have a poking war for many months. It let us know the other was alright and alive without having to really say anything or have those awkward conversations to check up on each other and not have anything to really say.
I've always loved Naveen and Tiana, his character arc towards genuinely caring for this person and choosing to explore avenues that he'd never imagined for himself before just to support her dream that he knows she'd be successful at, ugh, it's amazing. The way she only falls for him after he started treating her with kindness and humanity too!! Disney got that couple so right.
Robin Hood and Lady Marian for me, they were friends and seemed to have an equal relationship and communicated. Also he was so openly authentically vulnerable in front of all those soldiers, makes my soul cry every time, even now that I'm an adult.
Oh yes, they are adorable!
When Robin Hood says, “Marian, my darling, I love you more than life itself.” my heart just swooned at that line. Where's my Robin Hood?
Yes!!! Disney's Robin Hood is my all-time favourite male character. He was such a good person (fox?) And his relationship with Marian is beyond romantic
@@rociogallegossanchez3147 Right? I want one of my own, minus him being a fox because I'm not trying to get arrested for that...
yes!!!
i always just loved Thomas and Duchess, because they remind me so much of my parents. i was raised by my mom and my stepdad who didn't join our family till i was 8, and he's the great dad my bio father refused to be.
My favorite Disney couple has been Thomas O’mally and Duchess for a long time. I adore how Thomas does everything he can to help Duchess and the kittens without holding back even a little bit. You can tell he really cares about Duchess due to the way he will jump in without a second thought to keep her and her family safe.
I would have loved to see them talk about Kida and Milo from Atlantis
Yes!
Yes, an underrated couple from an underrated movie!
Kida, short for Kidagakash.
@@breezy3392 thank you for doing what I was going to
What's Atlantis?
I think the one part you guys really missed on Shang and Mulan was the motive behind Shang trying to send Mulan away after they find out she's a woman. He was supposed to kill her, the penalty for what she did was death. He very well could have been trying to send her away for her own good, and the guilt during the parade is knowing that everyone is alive because of Mulan.
The Aristocats was one of my favorite movies when I was a child and I didn’t know the name of it until I was an adult. I would just call it “ the movie with the cats” and everyone would just know 😂😂😂
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There was a theory online that the reason why O'Malley's name is so long is because he keeps all of the names that his "owners" (or just people that feed him) give him. He says Madame only sees her as another pet is because of his own experience with past owners.
I don't remember if it was put into the movie, but during the milk cart ride she sings a song as why they need to come home: not just because they love her, but she's genuinely concerned for her ("Her troubles would disappear as long as she had us near... They're (the kittens) her only family). That's why O'Malley doesn't say anything else in the moment, because she had already explained why they needed to come home (which shows that he remembers what she said :D )
It makes me SO happy that Dutchess and O'Malley are number 1. He's such a gentleman, and I named my first cat Dutchess after this movie.
O'Malley is an underrated male lead/romantic lead. He is even cool with her kids who aren't even his (obviously) but he forms relationships with them not to get with her but because it's important to her.
@@jocelynfisher3174 Absolutely! He's a great example of a stepdad.
My cats name is O'Malley because lf the aristocats
12:25 Stop you guys comparing your Disney's crushes with your wives I can't even it's soooo adorable 😭 Raising the bar HIGH in this studio
I know right it is soooooo cute!!!! HAHA I hope one day I have a cute husband who compares me to a disney princess and he has a crush on !!!! Why do they raise the bar though my bar was already high to begin with!!!
My husband does this too ^^ Tangled came out when he first had a crush on me, and I’m a lot like Rapunzel, I’m an artist and optimistic and I like going barefoot (also I’m blonde) and now we’re over a decade later, five years married and he buys art of Rapunzel and Eugene cuz she’s still his favorite Disney Princess and mine too 🥹
@@aylin7409 At least we only get in relationships with good persons hahaha
@@LimegreenSnowstorm Listen adorable I love you guys 😪
@@LimegreenSnowstorm This story paired with your pfp is so cute
We just watched The Aristocats the other week with our online Classic Musicals Club and I must say, they had a GROWN folks/cats relationship arc. It was a great discussion catalyst.
Some non Disney couples:
Odette and Derek (Swan Princess)
Anastasia and Dmitri (Anastasia)
Kaylee and Garrett (Quest for Camelot)
I watched the Aristocats for the first time about a year ago and I remember thinking that it was a beautifully made movie. The animation was stellar, the humour was well done and very adorable, and honestly, I thought the romance was one of the most legitemate and believable relationships in Disney's catalogue.
AND THE SONGS ARE SO GOOD
@@merry_christmas Absolutely! Aside from the racial stereotypes, everything was really well done.
@@macdongr yeah i was about to say 💀 still one of my favorites but omg wow was it a shock rewatching
hehe. "Cat"ologue.
It’s always been one of my favorite Disney movies.
"none of those concessions are "I'm going to sacrifice who I am' as much as 'I'm going to expand who I am and what I could be and what my life could be.'" what an awesome line.
Totally late to the game here, but my husband and I come from different worlds/cultures. He's from small town/cowboy lifestyle. I'm from the big city and am very indoorsy haha. We also have different political opinions. We went to therapy together when I started going for my anxiety (I had just been diagnosed) a couple years into our marriage. My therapist was big on having spouses attend so they can understand their partner better and how to support them. It made our marriage even better. Then we went back a year or so later because I could see some spots in our marriage that could create bigger issues later on. We learned how to communicate better and make decisions as a team rather than "compromising." On my anniversary one year, my coworkers asked me for my best piece of marriage advice. I said to go to therapy together because it only makes the marriage stronger and you'll both become better communicators. People were kind of shocked, but then I had two male coworkers come to me and ask how to approach their wives in regards to going to therapy. It was awesome!
Good video. My husband once told me over dinner just out of no where, he’s not a talker, that I make him a better version of himself. Then just moved on mostly his silent self the rest of the evening. I’ve never been so flattered. He does the same for me I must admit.
I'm so glad Duchess & O'Malley got the top spot, The Aristocat's is such an underrated film.
yeah, cause it came out during Disney's bronze age. It's so nostalgic for me, even though the story itself isn't epic or deep.
I haven't seen it but just based off what I've seen. Looks beautiful.
Aside from romantic relationships, i'd love to see them explore stuff like parent/child relationships in Disney movies.
Yes, this! Perhaps even rank the worst to best Disney parents/parenting styles (Elsa and Anna’s parents are right up on the worst list for me, Mufasa and Sarabi are somewhere on the best list)
I saw a thought provoking argument once for why almost all of Disney's pre-2000s heroines wouldn't have had the struggles they had if the films hadn't written their mothers out of the plot. I'm glad that more recent movies have stronger and more nuanced relationships between the main character and their family members. Moana and Encanto and Coco are great examples of this.
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There's actually an episode of the show which is set after the movie where this conflict comes up. Basically her childhood friends find her and she tries to convince them she's still proper and even tries to get Tarzan to wear his suit. At first he refuses because he thinks she's ashamed of him and he's not going to pretend to be something he's not.
His father in law ends up talking to him and explaining that Jane gave up what she knew for him for the rest of her life and asks if its so wrong for him to give up what he knows for a day.
In the end, Jane saves her friends from the jungle because of what Tarzan taught her and Tarzan in pants finds them and saves them from panthers.
They were never shown to be perfect but they love each other and her father loves both of them and gives hidden gems of wisdom.
I always think two of the best Disney romantic couples are in the same animated movie. Roger and Anita and Pongo and Perdita!
This is late and probably will be lost in the the thousands of comments but I honestly really like Tangled with Rapunzel and Eugene. Especially in their TV show (which is actually really good). They have a real and genuine relationship that I have never seen in any other Disney franchise. They also deal with Rapzunzel’s trauma in a way that many other shows shy away from.
Yes! They are the best 😊
@LizzyDizzyYo yeah it was 👍
YESSS absolutely LOVE the series and movie-such a FAVE!
I looove how they handle Rapunzel's trauma in the show! So tasteful and it's still Rapunzel and Eugene
Exactly what I wrote. They have so many opportunities to go the silly rom com route, like with the proposals or stallion etc instead both consider the position of the other, don'tget overly mad and they talk things through. They are the best role models ever
I think Milo and Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire would be a great addition to another Disney Couples episode! Their dynamic and the way their relationship progresses is really interesting; it feels like a cross between Tarzan/Jane (in the sense of Milo teaching Kida how to read her language) and Fix-it Felix/Sergeant Calhoun (in the sense of less physically strong but resourceful guy and strong woman).
Yes! I would love to see them in your next video, they are my favorite Disney couple ❤️
PLEASE. The best relationship in Disney at all (ok caveat, David and Nani). There's no immediate kiss, no romance right off the bat, he's simply there to support and appreciate her and she's there to learn from and teach him. They're friends to start and they trust and respect each other. It's fantastic!
Lol that’s what I was thinking- gotta love the nerdy/ nebbish guy and protective/ strong woman dynamic !!
Princess and the frog is so underrated
It’s so Beautiful 😍🎉🐸
I swear, Tiana and Naveen have such a good give and take, where he learns to take up some responsibility and work for things, and she learns how to take a break and let loose and simply have some fun. Like, even when they work hard towards her dream at the end, there's still an air of "we're making it, we're not working to the bone, we're joking and playing as we go."
You two talked over Meg's line: "Sometimes, it's better to be alone. Nobody can hurt you." I've lost count of the amount of times I've watched "Hercules", and that moment always gets to me. The giggles I got from the rest of this episode were a nice mental distraction, because I'm typing this as a big chunk of my state is being torn apart by Hurricane Ian. (9/28/2022)
Right? That part always got me.. as far as Ian, sending prayers to you and your family! We’re in Florida and I don’t even recognize my town anymore
@@gummyheart7660 We're in Citrus County, and we had an extremely close shave. As close as the morning of the day it made landfall, we were sure it was going to make a direct hit. The footage we've seen of the damage is sickening. Which part of Florida are you in? (10/1/2022)
@@daniellemusella1594 I’m glad you are safe!
I’m in North Port…. Totally destroyed here
@@gummyheart7660 Oh, man. Have you gotten electricity back yet? (10/2/2022)
@@gummyheart7660 Same! I was lucky my aunt's house has a generator, but my house literally had its roof peeled off. I might get my water back so we can start washing stuff off tomorrow, but electricity is gonna be a while. The lines to my park like snapped in half.
Disney channel also continued Tarzan as a cartoon show. They rebuild his parents’ tree house and live there. They also rebuilt the lab camp for Jane’s dad. I remember a few episodes where they talk about sacrificing for each other in their relationship like that. It’s really nice. They communicate well.
Which is thematically consistent with the film, communication across cultural and even species divides.
Also, to Meg’s credit, she tries to get out of the deal with Hades and stop him from hurting Hercules.
Duchess and O'Mally are my absolutely favorite Disney couple. They were so sweet, their growth is beautiful and the outcome is just picture perfect, literally 🤭❤️
*I love that the more animalistic the relationship, the better it was ranked*
hah!
These are always fun. Maybe some suggestions for next time:
Nani and David (Lilo and Stitch)
Pacha and Chicha (Emperor's New Groove)
Esmerelda and Phoebus (Hunchback of Notre Dame)
Bernard and Bianca (Rescuers/Rescuers Down Under)
Lady and the Tramp
YES YES YES YES YES YES YEESSSSS
Yaaaas, Chicha is so awesome, so much sass, I adore her! Wendie Malick is fabulous!
These are top tier
Yes!!!!! Would love to see him look at Bernard and Bianca and Phoebus and Esmerelda 😁
Need Milo and Kida (Atlantis) on this list
18:24 fair but we also got Voodoo Queen Mama Odie and what ever Dr. Facilier is since it’s hinted his mother was a voodoo queen herself.
What I love about Hercules and Meg, is that he has orange hair and wears a red headband and she has red hair and wears an orange headband. It symbolises the fact that they complete each other 🧶🧡🍊🧣
I remember watching the Tarzan TV show as a kid, and even then I was impressed by how well they did Tarzan and Jane's relationship. They do have a Swiss family Robinson-esque house, so there's that, but the one episode that stands out most in my mind is when this lady from a lost civilization gets introduced. I think they have animal spirit powers or something, but she's clearly more adept at jungle life than Jane is, and she's actively trying to drive a wedge between the couple.
Jane feels like she's not good enough, but when Tarzan catches on to what's happening he very sweetly says something to the effect of "I never thought of you as a burden. I will never look down on you because of what you can't do, and what you can do is pretty cool." This attitude has helped me in my own relationship, but I never made the connection until this video. So yeah, I will always root for Tarzan and Jane.
I saw the TV show too! And no one I know remembers it... I wish it was on Disney+
The people that Tarzan and Jane meet are African Natives. Not supernaturals :P
You might be mixing up the episode with the were-leopards which did have a supernatural element to it with the main villain (Queen La) trying to break them up.
Also Tarzan and Jane's house is the house that Tarzan's Bio Parents built when they were stranded.
That is the most romantic thing I have ever read
@@horse14t Queen La, that was her name. I think it was the episode that introduced her. That was another cool part of the show, including stuff from other pulp adventure fiction of the time like dinosaurs in the hollow earth or lost civilizations. I think Edgar Rice Borroughs himself was a character on the show.
@@giovannalisi3529 it should still be on TH-cam, just search for it :)
But yeah, I'm kinda mad that I already pay for Disney+ and can't even watch all of my favourite childhood series there. Also, they tend to not update their catalogue in my country when new seasons of current series come out.
9:30 I used to think Shang just told Mulan to go home because he was angry at her for deceiving him too. And while I still think he was angry at her, I think he also was trying to protect her. He spared her life in the mountains, and here she comes, dressed in men's clothes, in a PARADE in the CAPITAL CITY. He knows he can't intimidate Chi-Fu into keeping his mouth shut like he did before. Not to mention his other soldiers. I think he believed her, or at least was open to the possibility, and was trying to make her leave before people started asking questions.
I agree. Especially because he showed up right away to help her and the friends out in the Emperor's palace. It was more 'Please, Mulan, are you REALLY not getting how much danger you and all of us will be in if you get caught . . . well, if you're going to go ahead anyway I'd better do all I can to help so we may have a chance of surviving this.'
Coming from a military family, I loved so much of the nuance in Mulan and Shang's relationship and the realism of what it's like to be in the military and what you have to be prepared to sacrifice.
While I see your reasoning and where you are coming from, I disagree. When I watch the parade scene, right after Mulan told Shang that the Huns were alive, he immediately dismissed it. He didn't even take a few seconds to think it over. He just disregarded what she was saying, and if he was truly open to the possibility that there was an ENEMY GROUP IN THE CITY, I think anyone in their right mind would take necessary precautions, especially considering it's his job. And even he was trying to protect her, that isn't doing justice to Mulan, to her character, or her accomplishments. She saved his life, even if he didn't trust her, he should at least take her seriously. I think where their relationship left off is a healthy place, but I wouldn't defend his actions. (Not hating on the movie, the characters, or where their relationship was at the end of the movie, BTW. Love Mulan!☺)
I not agreeing that much. But indeed, seconds before the enemies went out of the dragon costume, he was 'looking around', suspecting and wondering. So, if could be that he was suspecting because he took in consideration Mulan's words, or he was just thinking 'wtf this dragon so close, they are breathing in my neck '
Listen to the way he said it tho. He’s not saying it in a way that seems protective. It sounds like he’s angry with her.
I'd also like to think that if the emperor got word of it, he would have executed Mulan and her family, and punished Shang for not reporting it. A woman in the military is against everything they believed in during those times
I don’t know if anyone else has suggested it but I’d love to see a video like this with Miss Bianca and Bernard from The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under ❤️