@@Ditto.007 The Last Samurai is arguably the best acting Tom Cruise ever did, and the story is VERY loosely based on real events. I think it was up for some Oscars. I highly recommend watching it.
I don't think Fiona's transformation at the end is just Shrek being rewarded. It's also Fiona finally being able to be who she is and not having to put on the front of being a stereotypical princess anymore.
It's the spell. Until you find true love's first kiss and take love's true form. Shrek was her true love and he is an Ogre. So when they kiss for the first time she stays in her Ogre form because that's what he is.
well, it obviously is not, how she looked was not an hindrance for him before and he does not like her more as an orge. She is the one being rewarded there with a way to be free and who she really is an wants to be
@Ariane Winter she didn't actually want to be an ogre though. Remember her first comment when the spell kept her an ogre? Shrek was the one to accept her exactly as she was and tell her how he sees her
I had a coworker once who was telling me about how her boyfriend dumped her for the most bullshit reason and she was so pissed off at him for it. All I said was: "I'm sorry to hear that. But if he dumped you for such a stupid reason, you probably just dodged a bullet." She thought about it a moment and said: "You know, actually you're right."
True, I'm happy that you empathised with your coworker, and that you both recognised that she shouldn't have to put up with such toxic, immature behaviour.
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 I don't recall specifics, but it had something to do with a garage door I think. She forgot to close it maybe? All I do remember is that it was, truly, a BULLSHIT reason.
@@VidralliaArchives Yeah seems to me he's been wanting to do it for a long time and tried to find any reason to do it. This reminds me of the guy who broke up with his girlfriend cause she was making him ride roller coasters. I don't remember which video it was on but it seemed like she pushed too many buttons. Not saying that your coworkers was doing it to her boyfriend. But it reminded me of that lol
We mock characters for falling in love after knowing each for a couple days, but I realized recently that adventuring is a very valuable bonding experience. You learn basically everything you need to know about a person when you're forced to depend on each other for support and protection in dangerous situations.
Ahhh no wonder my boyfriend told me I love you within the first week of us being boyfriend and girlfriend. When we started talking we would drive almost everywhere and we even went to a concert for the first time together in the city. And it was a perfect set up and everything we walked and got food, saw the concert. We had to walk to the train to get home. We made it to our station we see droplets of rain and all of a sudden it was pouring, we had to run to find shelter because we parked a little bit far from the station. We made it to the overpass and saw the sky and the rain falling everywhere as we started to kiss. Then we walked to the steps, sat down, and waited out the rain a little. We were talking for a little and he told me that he loves me. Conveniently the rain stopped and I said let’s go back to the car (and me not being ready to say it back) so we did. It wasn’t necessarily a dangerous situation just us adventuring a lot. We were both just turning into official adult teenagers who didn’t have freedom as minors and did a lot of things for the first time together, like going to a beach at night, seeing a concert, getting ramen, etc etc. just normal teenage things our parents didn’t let us do Oh and don’t worry I made sure when I was ready to say I love you I had the perfect set up and place to say it, I planned out an entire date to the city and we walked around tried new foods and snacks and went to see new things, at the end I surprised him with a view of the entire city. I put my head to his shoulder and we stayed quiet as we looked out in the distance. I told him I love you and he was shocked because I did took a bit of time to say it back. But I had to make sure that it was memorable and almost perfect
@@dixiecronin7791 I don't think she's saying the relationship is BASED off the experience, but it's based on mutual respect and having common goals, and supportive partners. The adventure just helps it along, and you can see how a person is more quickly. I think the adventure would probably ruin many relationships because danger, hardship, and fear can bring out the worst in people. One way or another, it helps show who you are. Red and green flags be popping up. I don't think anyone should try to make it happen artificially, though. It's fine if it's organic.
I just had the realization that Shrek and Fiona kind of had opposite arcs to end up in the same place. Both of them wanted to be loved and be themselves, but started the movie thinking they had to sacrifice one of those things for the other. Shrek was a prickly loner partly because everyone was mean to him and being feared felt better than being hated but I think more because he thought the only way to have connection was fit in and he wasn't willing to do that. Fiona by contrast wants love, but she thinks the only way to get it is by following the script in her head for how a love story goes, no matter how poorly her role in that story fits who she really is. Both of them grow and become ready for a relationship by realizing that the other loves them for who they are.
It’s always an interesting turn of things Shrek cared more about being himself than fitting in but was lonely for it and Fiona felt like she had to fit in and felt isolated because of it. By Fiona letting loose she found people who genuinely cared for her and Shrek learned to let people in and discovered theirs people he cares about. My favorite line of the whole movie was from Donkey “you’re so wrapped up in layers Onion Boy! You’re afraid of your own feelings!”
The thing a lot of people probably don't realize about Fiona is she wasn't in that castle eating a lovely meal each time she ate. She survived on rats, bugs, and anything else she could get her hands on. It's a play on how unrealistic it is to lock your daughter away in a dragon guarded castle 😂
I think it’s a bit of both. Fiona’s dad was the frog prince and she obviously takes after him. that and I truly believe that her parents were visiting her in the tower because when she reunites with them in the sequel, she does not act shocked at all to see them. She is not emotional she is not overwhelmed or teary-eyed. She’s just like hey guys! As if she’s back from college or something. The dad obviously cares for her and he’s kind of a rebel himself so I truly believe he broke rules and brought her food, supplies, etc, to make sure she was OK. And then whenever she turned into an ogre, pretty sure she left the tower at night to hunt and stuff anyway.
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat if you watch shrek two, you see the king/queen’s bedroom. It’s dressed with green and lily pads everywhere. And then lily reminisces about them walking down to the lily pond when it was in bloom and Harold says “ our first kiss.” Then at the bar another frog says “do I know you?” Meaning that was the actual girl that was supposed to kiss him but he didn’t want to be with her so he asked the godmother for a favor, so that he could be with Lily. Fairy godmother use that favor as a deal to get her son a spot in the castle. That’s why she threatens to take away Harold’s happily ever after when he refuses to make Fiona fall for Prince Charming.
@@snowbird1381oh my god you just blew my mind!! I never twigged the joke that the Queen is called Lillian and her husband is a frog 😂 how did I not see that before?!
Happy Valentine's Day, everyone. The scene where Donkey notices the dragon bawling her eyes out over Donkey being gone is more meaningful to me as an adult. He was probably the first person to ever try to be nice to her, and treat her as an actual Dragon, with feelings and emotions outside of guarding Fiona, even if he WAS trying to sweet talk her while escaping.
Which is kinda sad, that she falls for the first person to treat her nice. Just to save himself I might add. But it seems to have worked out at the end
@@Undomaranel I’m sorry but not to be mean the projecting needs to stop this was such a reach your arm is probably out of its socket SA ? I’m sorry did we watch the same movie ? It sounds like you need serious therapy to work through your own trauma because your projecting it onto a kids movie of a fake mythical dragon who doesn’t have the same sense or emotions as a human the compassion makes zero sense and not the movie at all I hope you heal eventually ❤
@@Undomaranel You're probably really young, so I'm just gonna say this: Trauma dumping about your SA experience to complete strangers on the internet where that was NEVER the subject of discussion, is not cool. Also, media with problematic themes does not desensitize, nor moralize those themes for anybody. This is a "violent video games makes school shooters" argument which has been proven false over and over again. If you lack the critical thinking skills to dissect a piece of media to find the meaning/story, or are unable to rationalize that what happens in fiction does not always align with one's own moral compass, you need to seek therapy. Authors and media creators who make stories about rapists, pedophiles, incestuous relationships, etc 99.9% of the time do NOT condone those actions in the real world. Fiction is meant to be a safe place to express your thoughts/feelings, be a tool to overcome trauma, and be the playground for taboo, macabre, and downright sinful.
"I'm supposed to be beautiful..." "But you ARE beautiful." Sorry, Disney, THIS movie is the one that set my expectations for romance! So glad you took this one on!
I kind of relate haha. Cause in my first date the dude was incredibly handsome and I was so worried about if I was as pretty as he expected. But things went very well. Haha I guess everyone is insecure at some level.
My favorite part about this franchise is Fiona could’ve saved herself. She would’ve, had he not shown up so she CAN take care of herself. We know that from the get go. But she’s taught that this is how a princess acts, what she’s supposed to do, say and this is how she has to look. Shrek makes her comfortable enough to show what’s beyond what others tell her to be and she does the same for him. Edit : lol you say that literally a minute later, I should probably shut up until the end of the episode
I think that's why she's so upset with Shrek. If Fiona could've saved herself that's setting the bar higher for when Shrek saves her. Or when Shrek starts to act up later in the series, she's disappointed. Because Fiona could find a way to live life all on her own, but she wants to live a life living worth together.
Funny thing is, that is literally what happens in the alternate reality introduced in the 4th movie. Sick of waiting for a true love that never came to rescue her, Fiona just rescued herself and adopted the lifestyle of a rebellious, outspoken ogre woman who fights for what she believes in. It's so brilliant that they clearly thought of that and addressed it in a later installment of the story.
@@gabybladen5803 i also love that they showed what Fiona went thru wasn’t all fairytales. They showed that she developed some form of ptsd from being locked away (needing to sleep with a candlelight because she’s afraid she’ll wake up back there and obviously that built up anger of being stuck there because she wasn’t rescued. They really fleshed out her character so well I love it.
I love that at true love's first kiss, she still does a whole glowy transformation and comes out of it the same as she was before. It shows that she was her best self already and nothing needed to change.
I was really surprised that you don't think Shrek has an arc, Alan! At the start, Shrek is someone who has embraced the world's view of him -- he is unlovable, he is ugly, he exists to be mocked or hated. He can't imagine being liked, having a friend, much less falling in love. By the end, he has allowed himself to imagine he is lovable -- to be brave and fall in love (with a princess, no less!). So I definitely think there's an arc there. I always think it's deliberate that Princess Fiona is sort of nondescript visually, but "Ogre Fiona" (while green and zaftig) is gorgeous. I just wish someone in the movie had commented on it (it feels a little bit like a cheat).
I always related to that cuz people will say I’m confident cuz I don’t care what people think of me but it’s not the same as confidence when you just think that you’re never gonna impress anyone so why even try. This video was kind of an eye opener for me cuz Shrek did change. When he first took off his helmet after meeting Fiona I think he kinda hoped that maybe he was someone’s true love but her look of disappointment hurt. He misunderstood her look but still. It took their friendship and her genuine interest in his likes and acceptance of his weird habits to see he was worth something to someone.
"I hope she likes them thick." That's actually a really good point! Fiona may not have been able to see he was an ogre obviously, but she could see his body shape and that he was definitely a bigger man, and she was completely on board with that! There was no little like "oh ew," she was straight up excited to see him. So on top of everything, just a nice little moment of a fat man being found attractive or at least not being treated like a big deal. That's pretty rare in a lot of media.
Honestly Shrek and Fiona are probably the first mainstream media couple that's larger (Fiona's true form) and well, happy together and nontoxic. At least the first I can remember off the top my head. I'm sure there's other ones that might be lesser known.
Yeah, though she was suppose to expect Prince Charming, she pretty much just expecting that a human man would rescue her and whomever that was, that would be her prince charming
What's nuts is that this movie was a sort of punishment for those working on it....they were the B team so to speak, because they weren't placed to work on Prince of Egypt and no one was expecting Shrek to be as huge a hit as it is. It still holds up and hilarious as heck!
Once, I just needed to watch something stupid. This film came to mind. Masterpiece? No. Intelligent? Sorry, it isn't. Something to make you laugh just for the heck of it, and not to force a laugh like 'comedies' do? HECK YEAH!
@@coralmaynard4876 But that’s why is genius…the comedy is fire and doesn’t make you laugh for the hell of it with cheap humor. It’s smarter than you think.
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 Well, as I said, when I wanted to watch something stupid, this film came to mind, and it was perfect for it, so... I mean, I guess you can say it's clever BECAUSE it's stupid, but that still means it's stupid XD
It's probably because they didn't have pressure to make it live up to typical Disney standards and they could do what they wanted more that it turned out so awesome. (And this movie is not stupid. There are loads of layers to everything in this movie which make it deeper and cleverer than it first appears. Like an onion. lol)
@@coralmaynard4876 It isn't stupid though. There's a ton of hidden intelligence from the subversion of the typical musical structure, to the jabs at Disney, to a the fact that it actually shows you to be yourself through characters with a lot of flaws and actual societal stigma against them as opposed to telling you but showing attractive people who have one offbeat quirk.
I loved these movies as a child and love them even more now! Not only is the comedy funnier as an adult, but the relationships in these movies (romantic and platonic) are so well thought out.
@Shocking Pikachu exactly my thoughts! I think why movies like Shrek and Deadpool work so well that even though they openly mock other movie tropes, they still create their own footing in what makes their films unique.
Shrek definitely has an arc. He starts off being super guarded because he’s used to people not accepting him and he doesn’t wanna get hurt so he doesn’t open up - to donkey or anyone. Then Fiona cracks that and gets him to open up. Then when Fiona talks about “not loving a hideous beast,” Shrek’s insecurities come out and he automatically assumes she’s talking about him. This is where we find out his “confidence” and pride are all just an act and he’s actually very sensitive and hurt that people won’t accept him for who he is. It’s cool because that part of his character arc isn’t actually resolved until the sequel where he’s still insecure about being an ogre and even turns into a human for Fiona. Maybe it’s never resolved which is actually kinda refreshing for a movie cause sometimes our insecurities are never going to fully go away, but we can recognize it and try to not let it stop us from finding love and chasing our dreams. So while yes, his arc involves Fiona and donkey, it’s also an internal arc where he decides that being vulnerable and risking getting hurt is worth the risk of being loved and accepted. He’s not the same guarded “I don’t need friends, just me and my swamp” type of guy at the end that he was in the beginning of the movie.
Right? I'm pretty surprised they said he didn't have much of an arc and that he was okay with his flaws and how people saw them. There were whole scenes that showed how hurt he actually was by them and how he puts up with it bc he believed what they'd say. Really surprised they did not notice that 😕
Shrek 1 and 2 have aged like fine wine. I could watch them over and over, the heart and soul of those movies remains relevant and inspiring to me even though I’m nearly 30
I genuinely hope you do Shrek 2. Not only can you pull some lessons from Shrek's self-doubt in himself, his marriage, his worth, etc, but also because its just a damn good movie that still holds up so well in emotional & comedic writing.
I watch Shrek 2 once in a while when I have some alone time to look after myself. And I ALWAYS cry at the end when they both turn back to their old forms, by their own choice, because they have such a strong and loving relationship and it no longer matters to them how others may judge. In a way, they both make sacrifices for each other and conquered challenges along the way, and that strengthens their bond and made them a better team. Relationships are often uneven, but when both partners show the same level of love and care for each other, it will be easy to overcome differences and inconveniences that life throws at you.
Honestly, I'd love a bit of coverage on 4 and it's lesson on how true love is earned, not automatic. Edit: Going off memory, though, not sure how much of the movie besides them meeting again and the climax actually covers that on second thought.
I just loved the wink-wink in Farquad's name. For young kids, he has a fantasy-land sounding name. For adults and older kids, we KNOW what they meant from the start. - He was such a Farquad.
I know Shrek was written out of spite for Mike Eisener, but the writers went so damn hard portraying a healthy and natural relationship, as well as whole and complete people who only needed a spur of growth in the right direction. And they only grow more as time goes on, but they're still the same people. It's AWESOME.
Whoa whoa whoa. It wasn't the writers who had Disney issues, it was Jeff Katzenberg, whom Eisner passed over when Frank Wells tragically passed in an accident. Katzenberg decamped into SKG with Spielberg and Geffen, and produced this. As far as I know, Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio have no beef with Disney.
I heard this other theory that animators were banished to make the movie Shrek. It was even called "Get Shreked ." It was supposed to serve as punishment to them. Try looking into it.
I think one of the best ways the series showed how conditioned Fiona was is that her entire speech when she first meets Shrek is word for word what comes out of one of her toys.
I noticed this recently while rewatching the first two movies. In the second one especially, they just hammer home all the expectations that were branded into her, and all the JUDGEMENT, especially from her own FATHER. We see it in her diary, where he simply cannot move past what the curse turns his baby girl into. Lilian eventually softened and just wanted her daughter back, but Harold was so brazenly blatant until the end of the movie. The awful mental impact that must've made on a teenage girl, a teenage princess.
Harold probably has bigger problem with the transformation since he is the Frog Prince, he knows how hard it is to be stuck in a clasically hideous form, so his trauma makes him try everything to save her, and he goes to true love, the thing that saved him
@@eyes_espresso4803 Well I’m sure that Queen Lillian looked past the fact that Shrek is an Ogre, because she married someone who use to be (and reverted back to being) a frog. Perhaps Harold was indoctrinating her child to think hideousness is a negative trait and that being physically attractive is more important (because he agreed with Fairy Godmother to have an arranged marriage for their two children); but Lillian wants Fiona to remember that appearances and personalities don’t always match, and she should look inside her heart to accept destiny in finding the right person to fall in love with. If anything, Fiona learns as much from her mother as she does from her father; as evident by Fiona introducing Shrek followed by the Dinner Scene, that Lillian looked on the bright side of the outcome and not let it bother her so much, where as Harold is blaming Shrek over an arranged marriage that will never happen.
The thing that I love about Shrek is that he doesn't kiss her right away. To him he sees a woman sleeping and wakes her up to verify who she is but also that is to me a symbol of consent. If it were Prince Charming he would have just kissed her.
I thought that was awesome. Because the kissing sleeping (or dead) people was extremely disturbing to me as a child. I kind of assumed the princes were all serial killers or something.
not to mention the comedic timing and interaction. Fiona is playing by the book and is like, "Shouldn't this be a romantic moment?" Shrek is just like, "That's nice, but I'm in a hurry."
I saw this somewhere else, but the thing about the "forced misunderstanding" and the things that Fiona says during it, is that it's more a display of how open and unrepentant negativity about yourself can hurt not only you, but those around you who share those traits. If I say "I keep forgetting important appointments, I'm so stupid" - completely intended at myself, even referencing myself openly, but my friend who also regularly forgets appointments hears that I think it makes anyone who does that stupid, even if I don't actually believe that about anyone but myself. A little forced for the misunderstanding, maybe, but what it represents is quite real.
Thank you. My mom always tried to be supportive of me, but she was so harsh and cruel to herself, and I don't think she understood how much of that spilled over to me -- especially when I was younger.
Wow, I've never thought of it like that. I am very self-critical and really hard on myself when I make a mistake. It never occurred to me that criticizing myself could reflect onto someone else. Thank you for the comment because I have learned a very good lesson today.
Oh man, same! It took a long time to see that extra dimension in my mom, that I see her put herself down and constantly people please, and I picked up on that.
When Fiona said "But I was supposed to be beautiful" and Shrek replies with that she is, I always tear up. I was always a heavy set girl and as a kid constantly was told, that one has to fit a certain beauty standard to be worthy of love. Took me quite a while to work on that, and I still not quite love myself as much as I should.
I was gonna say. The boys rightly criticize the film from the angle of "guy falls in love with woman for her character, is rewarded with the woman becoming beautiful". But I feel they missed how genuinely transgressive (at the time) the film's ending felt, for letting Fiona stay an ogre, and saying she was beautiful that way. That she was still beautiful, that she always had been beautiful.
@@tbotalpha8133 Very progressive both for the time and now even. Usually some of the 2000s movies have some stuff that didn't age good but that for sure did.
I was literally explaining to a friend yesterday how even this raunchy comedy movie full of dirty jokes could make a great cinema therapy movie, because Dreamworks knows how to write characters with genuine struggles and strong emotional tones.
I love Dreamworks' relationships, there's no massive gesture of love or appreciation, but instead genuine connection. There's no need for the grand gestures, because their actions show their love for each other. I love the way they work on relationships, and come to love each other not for what they bring, but what the are. The emotional connections the characters make are far more valuable than any object could buy, and I'm here for it!
You can definitely have both. You could both sing a song about how much you love your partner to the world (if that’s what they want) while also loving the little moments and the connection
"You will get rejected for who you are and it will hurt but it is actually a blessing" is like THE best piece of advice for any and all kinds of relationships - romantic, platonic, friendships, anything!
There’s absolutely a character arch. Shrek’s arch is also about facing the rough exterior walls he’s built and why. He also tackles some underlying insecurities related to that, all of which make him averse to letting people in and building relationships.
@@farrex0 the point is there is no lesson to learn here, it’s not real and not rooted in life. It’s just a story written to end a certain way because that message sells better
I remember as an angry teenager, I had to be almost literally dragged into the theater to see this with my family. I probably laughed loudest and longest.
honestly i remember being a kid and just being absolutely floored by the "but you are beautiful" line at the end of the movie. it was the first time i had seen something like that and it always stuck with me. it also managed to fix the one thing about Beauty and the Beast that never sat right with me even as a child.
I love how Fiona never tries to change Shrek but at the same time she gives him reasons to change his bad aspects just by being herself. Shrek doesn't change for Fiona but because of her and she allows him to do so at his own pace. she also accepts him for who he is and his weirdness and instead of being grossed out she just goes along with it even if she doesn't understand it.
I love the fact that in the beginning part the subtitles said "Internet-Dads: [Laughing]". That's the spirit I'm here for. A lot videos of you guys are just so wholesome and enjoyable, especially this one about Shrek. Thank you
@Saphira703 I can totally picture one of them, popping up at the worst moment to interrupt an almost-kiss between their buddy and his wife. (2/14/2023)
I’ll stand up for the “forced misunderstanding” portion of Shreek. It wasn’t just “who could love a hideous beast” then “wait, a darn gosh minute, I’m a hideous beast” Shek *adores* that about himself. At least he thinks he does. It’s when when he thought Fiona couldn’t love him despite that, that’s when when Shank instantly *deeply internalized* that.
When discussing the “forced misunderstanding” trope, I do love how Puss in Boots: The Last Wish did it, where it started as the trope but never actually went through with it, subverting it for a healthier relationship for it with how they did it. I hope you guys find a topic to cover for Puss In Boots 2, because it’s 110% worth as many views from everyone anywhere.
Agree but I believe puss in boots 1 should be reviewed first or I’ll be hard to understand puss and kitty soft paws relationship on how he opened up to her (then the movie talks about his struggles growing up and relationship with humors dumpy)then in the 2nd movie abandoned her then opens up to her again
I'm still not over him being called "puss in boots" in english. I'm from germany and here he was called "der gestiefelte Kater" which badly translates to "booted male cat" (boots as an adjective but that doesn't really work in english). Like why do you call him puss in boots in english? wth guys
@@erdbar718 I guess because "pussy in boots" isn't exactly good for the viewer-expectations? 😁 (What is the name of the cat in German dubbing, btw? I never watched those in German so I'm curious. Just "Kater"?)
I’m so glad I found this channel. It is truly helping me getting through tough days. Combining therapy with cinema is truly a genius move in my opinion.
I'm glad this is the valentines video. What I also love is that Shrek relapses because in a relationship of any sort, you have those thoughts of the past was good or being single was good. But then you really think about it and you forget that being alone is sometimes lonely and that what you really wanted was time alone but you still enjoy the company of your loved ones. But the first movie will always be the best.
One of my favorite pieces of information about this movie is that every time he tells someone his name for the first time he hesitates, almost as if he made it up on the spot and had to remember what name he’s going with. When he first meets donkey he definitely made up his own name, and when he meets Fiona he had to remember what he told donkey to reduce confusion later.
I think he's embarrassed of his name so he stalls. He doesn't really want to say it. It's just another thing about him that people don't like. Every person he tells his name too is grossed out by his name except for Fionna. Fionna's reaction is supposed to be your first hint about her being more than just a cookie cutter princess.
The way I interpreted it is that no one ever asks him his name they just run away in fear or disgust so he’s surprised that someone even cares to ask him so it takes him a moment to get over the initial shock
This reminds me of a conclusion I came to a year or two ago: "If I assume that there's at least one person out there who would love me for who I am, and is therefore already looking for someone like me, then the best way to help them find me is to maximize the display of those factors which make me who I am, and which they therefore already love, i.e. to "be myself" as much as possible. And the same also holds true of them."
That's a perfect motto and a beautifully-worded way to put it! It's a much better way to look at dating than the old "if they can't handle me at my worst, they don't deserve my best", which I can't help but feel has been a bit bastardized to excuse terrible behaviour, rather than just the simple "take me as I am". I hope you don't mind but I'm going to yoink this to add to my own personal affirmations, it's wonderful :)
@@sugarbaby1974 If it works, then by all means. For my part, I'll be doing my best this year to put this theory to the test. It will be interesting to see the results.
(1) im gonna comment just so I can come back cuz this is straight up very honest solid wisdom & (2) literally Every single person/ancestor before you got laid and there’s 7 BILLION people out there, your odds are good that at least ONE out there will like your goofy ass ∠( ᐛ _/¯ ∠)＿ ✨ But yeah opening yourself up to the world & being yourself can help you find people you resonate with I think
@@nileslopez7385 True, but with the caveat that the ease of finding a partner depends strongly on the shared "core values" you're looking for. After all, how many other people in the movie did you see inflating frogs and eating cobwebs? Using myself as an example, I've narrowed my search down to 10 core values which I consider "non-negotiable" to a healthy relationship, and some of them are quite unusual. Having looked up what statistics I could on most of them, I estimate there are 0.65 individuals on earth that meet these criteria. However, having said that, I also consider the potential value of that relationship well worth the effort in spite of the high odds of failure, so I will proceed with my plans to that end. "A needle in a haystack" doesn't even begin to describe the difficulty of the task, but unusual problems require unusual solutions; potentially as unusual as the person seeking or being sought, which is another reason to "be yourself" and make your "you-ness" as visible as possible, and while unusual people are harder to find, by definition, their unusualness also makes them proportionally more conspicuous, if they are allowed and allow themselves to be.
My longest relationship (my partner that I'm married to) started with me sitting down within the first two weeks being very clear and direct about who I was and what I wanted out of life. It was a lot and a rather intense way to kick things off, but we came out of that conversation having a good idea of how compatible we were. You never really know how good decisions like that are except in hindsight, but after eight years together and five married, I know it was probably one of the best things I've ever done for myself.
Something that I've always appreciated about the Shrek movies ever since I first watched them as a kid is how Shrek and Fiona (in ogre form) have the same body types as real people and family members in my life. I've never really been super effected by society's weird thing about body image but its always something that's stood out to me. I guess cause most movies, animated or live-action, have people in it like Prince Charming or Fiona in human form.
About "cruelty to animals in this movie": I can't ever forget the moment where we see "mama bear" as a rug in front of Farquart's bed after we last saw the family being evicted from the swamp. Kinda sticks with me more than everything else about this movie and made me really happy to see Goldilocks with her family in "P.i.B 4"
There's this theory that Papa Bear in the Last Wish was the baby bear in Shrek 1. With that, he started his own family, adopted Goldilocks and soon became this crime family.
Extra points for Shrek NOT kissing a (suposedly) unconscious woman! Consent is HOT! ❤😊 ETA: Wow, this blew up! Just to clarify, (I didn’t intend to write an essay) I just wanted to give kudos to the writers for subverting the disgusting and trite Sleeping Beauty trope (ewww) as it is something that any decent person (or ogre in this case) wouldn’t even consider, and consent is obviously not a bonus point but a baseline. Movies, to my chagrin, do oftentimes reflect disgusting tropes as romantic, and IRL we should never accept such behaviours as normal or even worse, couple goals! Have a nice day everybody, and big hugs to the CT team! 😊
I totally agree that consent is hot, but I don't think that's even relevant here. He's a guy alone in a (supposedly) defenseless woman's room and the idea of anything inappropriate doesn't even cross his mind. He's just some person doing their "job," he doesn't see her as a sexual object whatsoever. Like CinemaTherapy point out, the entire movie Shrek is just Shrek doing Shrek's thing.
The new Puss in Boots would make for a great episode, I think. It deals a lot with appreciating life for the gift that it is, anxiety (it even has a really well-done panic attack scene), finding your worth inside yourself instead of in the image you've built of yourself, and mortality.
What great messages. As a child I always saw Fiona as a princess regardless of what she looked like but as I’ve gotten older I’ve dealt with my own fair share of body shaming and meeting expectations that aren’t my own. Also your impressions of Shrek and Donkey at the end were spot on!!
15:22 made my day "I've seen live rats in Vietnam and have no desire to eat them cause they are the size of possums." "I didn't eat a live one," procedes to smile
I always considered Fiona becoming the ogre at the end and taking “loves true form” actually being her taking on the form of her true love and shrek saying “but you are beautiful” as talking about how she didn’t change at all and how he sees her inner beauty
Inner beauty? She's just breathtakingly beautiful for an ogre. Compare to a chimp girl turning into a Hollywood beauty at night. She'd be dead ugly then to her chimp family and friends. And then she turns into the Hollywood beauty all day long when she kisses her human love.
So many movies have somebody "falling in love at first sight" - they are attracted to appearance and vow to pursue their love. In this one, they learn about each other's interests and develop a relationship that's based on that before they appreciate people's looks.
The greatest lesson I learned from this film: When you open your heart to others and the world, you’ll find that there are people out there who don’t hate you when you think you deserve to be hated.
21:30 the most complete reversal of that trope I've seen is in Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, when Flint takes the cute girl, puts the glasses *on* her, puts the hair *into* a ponytail, and *then* he's blown away by her. It's like a reverse Pygmalion
Inner beauty isn’t from the physical attractiveness, it’s from seeing the person for who he/she is, and Flint accepted Sam for being a nerd because he’s one too.
I'm glad you're doing a separate video for their married life - it's definitely a dense topic! Fun fact, there was a cut opening while they were still trying to nail down the story where Fiona met with a witch to see what could be done about the ogre situation, and Dama Fortuna (the witch) offered her two options - she could give Fiona beauty, or she could give her the path to her true love. Fiona chose beauty, figuring that she could find her true love on her own if she was beautiful. Unfortunately, that's how I thought as a teenager and in my early 20's - that no one would be my true love if I wasn't already gorgeous.
I just rewatched the Great Gatsby recently and I had Jono’s therapist advice on toxic relationships in mind the whole time. It would be interesting if you guys evaluated the relationships between Tom and Daisy, and Gatsby and Daisy. Both are toxic in more similar ways that people might realize.
@@iLikeTheWordRetro I’ve only ever seen the 2013 version. It’s currently free on TH-cam. Tho I don’t care which version they decide to react to. It’s an overall compelling story. And I’ve heard the 1974 version was good, too.
man, I really love how this channel lets me rewatch my favorite scenes from my favorite childhood movies and dissects all the valuable meaning I missed as a kid
I hope you do Puss in Boots 2! There’s lots of themes about anxiety, coming to terms with death, enjoying the life you have now, and many more. It would be great for this channel.
I'm just here to point out that Shrek was her best choice because he didn't kiss someone that, for all he knew, was an unconscious, barely-legal stranger because ✨tradition✨, and we stan.
@jumutudor4095 given that the standard, especially with Disney, is teenaged princesses with Tiana oldest at 18 and Snow White at 14. So he doesn't know her age and probably assumed she might be under 18 and did not want to go down that route. Now, after he rescues her and they get to know her, it's obvious that she's in her middle 20s.
@jumutudor4095 I looked it up, and the answer seems to be found in the Shrek Musical. Both of them met briefly when they were 7, 23 years have passed when the movie starts. And yes, in those years, Fiona was locked in her tower. Which is just horrible parenting if you ask me.
I believe Shrek didn't kiss Fiona in the tower because it never crossed his mind. He was there to do a job to get his land back. The falling in love came afterwards.
What makes me smile is, when you've seen the series and know that all her life she was told how it would be, and she really WAS expecting Prince Charming, the fact that Shrek rescued her probably blew her mind.
I have a hard time believing that this movie came out 22 years ago, it was a huge part of my childhood. I guess it's true, the years start coming and they don't stop coming :)
@@9u1n When I was a kid I would ALWAYS ask to watch this movie, or the sequel to it every time I was at my Grammy’s house because she had it and I didn’t. Now I have the movie memorized by ❤️
As someone who is having a hard time trying to find someone to love and want to spend my time with, this message was just the one I needed to hear the most. Rejection does hurt but it just shows you that you dodged a major bullet and that person just isn't right for you. It just shows that there will be someone that will love for who you are and will love every single moment with you. Thank you so much for this great advice!!!
My husband and I have been happily married for years and we've found that it's important to regularly find things to praise each other about and to not critisize each other. It's also important to be supportive of those things in your partner's life that they get really excited about. We both have hobbies that, honestly, nether of us really "get" or understand the real appeal of, but we both try and be excited and encouraging of each other's hobbies because we know that it brings our partner excitement and happiness. Really expressing interest in your partner's likes and dislikes can show them that you love them and that you want to know more about those things that make them happy.
I love the message that happiness is about being who you are deep inside rather than who society expects you to be. This message hits hard...especially for women. We are all expected to be dainty, delicate princesses when inside we have the hearts of ogres.
I agree with the "No more forced misunderstandings." The film would have gone just the same if he'd wanted to give her the freaky looking flower, but chickened out and been prickly and embarrassed about chickening out the next morning.
I'm so glad you're covering Shrek, I hope you cover Shrek and Donkey's relationship as well. It might not seem important but without Donkey, the events of Shrek don't happen. Donkey's presence subtly pushes Shrek to be more vulnerable and caring in his own ogrey way
Agreed! Donkey is the type of character who pushes Shrek out of his comfort zone, but he doesn't cross Shrek's boundaries, which can be such a difficult line to distinguish.
Someone probably already mentioned this but the funny thing about Shrek was how they got their animators to work on it. This was being worked on the same time as The Prince of Egypt. Another cinematic master piece! But during both of these projects some people would be dejected to Shrek as almost a punishment. The workers called it being "Shreked". I think the reason the writing and animation is just *chef's kiss* is because of the workers essentially being pushed aside.
This was the last movie my family saw together before my parents divorced. We were on vacation in Scotland. Brings back a lot of nostalgia and bittersweet memories. Many years later, I am now married to a wonderful man. Thank you for taking us through a great movie analysis- your words filled me with gratitude for finding someone who loves me for being me.
As a trans person, Fiona speaks to my personal experience so much. I was raised and socialized to fit society's expectations of me based on the way my gender looked to them based on the way my body appeared. And I clung to that for so long. But then I learned to accept and love who I was on the inside, and now I get to work towards showing it on the outside. I wish is was as easy as true love's kiss though😂
Fun as always. Now I really want a "Westley & Buttercup" couples therapy from Princess Bride. (Though we don't actually see much of their courtship, I guess. Maybe we just need a Princess Bride one in general.)
It's interesting that Shrek actually has an arc in the musical, about how he outwardly feels okay with his place in life, but inwardly wishes he could be the hero of the story, not realizing until later on that he could choose to be the hero and save Fiona from Farquaad.
I also like that the musical gives him more backstory, like with his parents casting him out into the world at a young age and brainwashing him into thinking he’ll always not “be the hero” because that’s how the world will look at him.
The point you make about there being no pressure to make something work romantically taking the pressure off, allowing Shrek and Fionna to be themselves really does ring true. In a lot of ways that is how I met and fell in love with my own partner, and we've been married over 18 years.
This movie holds such a special place in my heart. I watched it for the first time during one of my cousin's birthday. All of my cousins were here, we were all laughing together. Now due to life and family feud we don't see each other anymore, and I find myself remembering this kind of moments whenever I see this movie.
This film reminds me of my relationships, but in a wrong way. I've been taught to act very proper and gentle as a girl and met someone who is of the same teaching. But after about 4 years I realised, that being proper doesn't equal to being a good person. You can still be very kind and caring without having to be on your "Best behaviour". I found people, who are now my best friends who were very open with each other and with me. They accepted me so quick and I never felt more myself than ever with them and I never had to meet and quotas with them. I didn't have to be anything more than a friend and still don't.
The ending of movie one is so powerful and necessary: "I was supposed to be beautiful.." - "You ARE beautiful." It's so normalised to see the transformation from Beast to Beauty that we're not expecting a happy ending to include people being fine with unusual appearances or even change into an "uglier" version. I'm glad this movie works against that trope of having to be conventionally attractive to be lovable. Also, the second movie goes a step further and literally takes their "perfect" appearance and presents it as not their true self/ a verson that makes them unhappy. It's the only franchise that comes to my mind that does that. Edit: Watched the video; I'm glad you mentioned that scene and hold the same views :D
Please, y’all NEED to react to The Last Wish next, it has a great relationship as well, along with a fascinating character arc about accepting your mortality. Also, one of the main characters is a therapy dog too! Its an amazing movie, and I really think y’all would love it!
The "Eels, Frog, and Snake" scene is one of my favorites from any "falling in love" scene from any movie. They act like themselves, and like kids, and like real people would if the "odd" framing were removed. It's also just a perfect love song for anyone who's ever found a "The One," even if just for a "scene."
my favorite inversion of the She's All That is Daria, when she makes herself "conventionally beautiful" for like 5 minutes to motivate her sister out of a funk. Demonstrating that she could absolutely look like that whenever she wants to, she just doesn't.
I was having such a hard day on this day that is supposed to be about love. Thank you for always being there for me Cinema Therapy. I really needed this today and you pulled through for me. I always appreciate it.
It's comforting to know that I can relate to Shrek the older I get. I become more comfortable with who I am, which is the first set of steps that Shrek was taking to relationships down the road. Love is like a work of art, flaws and all. It's flaws are what affect people. Unless if those flaws keep you from loving each other, it's harmless.
@@JonathanDecker Well I'll be damned. The man himself. Keep up the stellar work, Jonathan. It's very reassuring when I see your guys' videos and be reaffirmed by them. I recommend this channel to my coworkers all the time.
Thank you so much! My original reply doesn't really match your comment because it was meant for somebody else's comment. I meant to comment on yours how profound your thoughts were to me 🙂
@@JonathanDecker You are most welcome. Truly. I apologize for the late reply, I work night shifts in youth support foster care. I sleep during the day. So don't worry, these videos are being put to good use and are suggested often.
Talking about falling for people who don't share values really hit home for me. I fell in love with someone who was the complete polar opposite of me and not in a cute romcom opposites attract kind of way. We were friends first so I thought we had a solid foundation, but there was hardly anything we actually agreed on from religion and politics to whether we would have kids and if we wanted to get married, once we moved in together we found that our personalities also clashed (sometimes dangerously). I changed what I want to match what she wanted from life so that it could feel like we were moving the same direction even if I was actually being pulled along and guided into things I didn't necessarily want or believe in. I forgot who I was without her and silently hoped that the relationship would eventually just fizzle out so I could try to move past everything and we could both be okay and stay in each other's lives as friends, instead it exploded and I honestly can't look back and think of a time when I was with her that I was actually, truly happy and fulfilled. That relationship really showed me that not being able to help who you love is true but also taught me what kind of partnership I want in my future.
I noticed too in the scene where Donkey laughs at the idea of Shrek being Fiona's true love. Donkey laughs first and Shrek watches him laugh and then joining in the laughter, almost as if Shrek had hope for love for just a brief moment before being reassured that Fiona loving Shrek is ridiculous.
13:17 It's *really* hard for me to watch that sequence from Shrek because growing up, I felt a *lot* like Fiona, believing i wouldn't find love because I was so weird, female, but not really girly, liking nerdy stuff like science fiction, but somehow, by a miracle, I found my Shrek, his name was Tim and he absolutely fell in love with me, yes me. We had the same values and interests and we were completely in love with each other, but he had recently found out he was HIV positive. I only had him in my life for 7.5 years before he died of AIDS in 1995. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful to have had him, but seeing this makes me realize what a special man, a special connection I had, but it still hurts sometimes.
Thank you for making me realise my partner is pretty much Shrek. 😁 He was the first person I ever met who I felt I could be myself around and completely accepts all my weird interests and quirks, even if he doesn't understand them. He can be stubborn too and comes across as a little condescending sometimes in the way that he speaks (I learned it's his natural tone, not intentional) but is ultimately just as sweet and caring.
Thank you for talking about this iconic couple lol. I unironically love this movie so much. I relate very much to Fiona. I grew up in a very conservative, walking on eggshells, kind of home where I was expected to act and speak a certain way. On top of that I have a disney-like appearance which seems to give others a certain expectation of my personality. In reality I have pretty strange interests that don't align with those expectations. I never felt like I had a safe space to just be myself without judgement. I was always hiding who I felt I was. That changed when I met my husband. He is (in the best way possible) the wierdest person I've ever met. The first thing I ever noticed about him was his confidence. He says and does what he wants, regardless of what others might think, and encourages me to do the same. He makes me feel not only safe to show my quirks, but loves even more because of them. I couldn't be happier.
God, I needed this therapy session! I met a woman I was into, got her number, but when I asked her out, she said we’re not compatible. Still stings, but I 100% believe I dodged a bullet and am grateful
Knowing what you value is so f*ing important. I once had a date with a woman and we had a really great time. She told me about her hobbies and interests with such passion that it didn't matter that I understood nearly nothing because the way she talked about it was so captivating. The day after I texted her and was like "I had a great time, hope we can do it again soon. I only wished this stupid virus wasn't around so I would have been able to give you a quick hug before saying goodbye" to which she told me that she's not really a person who enjoys body contact, not even with a partner. And that was the moment I realized I had no future with her as her lover because I'm a really cuddly person so now we're friends.
For me this was one of the best episodes of all time. I needed this video. Loving yourself like shrek is one tough cookie to crack and believing that someone can love you for being just the way you are is even tougher. Thank you guys for doing this one.
'Compassion' (suffering with) being the root of compatibility is so key to recovering the most edifying approach to finding your partner en route to marriage. Find the one with whom you will be able to suffer well -- mutually leaning on one another for support through the strife and turbulence of it all.
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I have an idea for a future video. You guys could do Nathan Algren from The Last Samurai.
@@davidmacy411 Apologies for being an uncultured swine but...who?
@@Ditto.007 The Last Samurai is arguably the best acting Tom Cruise ever did, and the story is VERY loosely based on real events. I think it was up for some Oscars. I highly recommend watching it.
@@davidmacy411 Will do then, thx!
What a glorious cult classic! On a separate note, I hope you guys do some deep dives into Puss in Boots 2: The Last Wish
I don't think Fiona's transformation at the end is just Shrek being rewarded. It's also Fiona finally being able to be who she is and not having to put on the front of being a stereotypical princess anymore.
They both get people who love them for themsleves orge and human form regardless
It's the spell. Until you find true love's first kiss and take love's true form. Shrek was her true love and he is an Ogre. So when they kiss for the first time she stays in her Ogre form because that's what he is.
well, it obviously is not, how she looked was not an hindrance for him before and he does not like her more as an orge. She is the one being rewarded there with a way to be free and who she really is an wants to be
@Ariane Winter she didn't actually want to be an ogre though. Remember her first comment when the spell kept her an ogre? Shrek was the one to accept her exactly as she was and tell her how he sees her
@@aesinam The only reason she didn't want to be an ogre was because of the stigma against them.
I had a coworker once who was telling me about how her boyfriend dumped her for the most bullshit reason and she was so pissed off at him for it. All I said was: "I'm sorry to hear that. But if he dumped you for such a stupid reason, you probably just dodged a bullet."
She thought about it a moment and said: "You know, actually you're right."
True, I'm happy that you empathised with your coworker, and that you both recognised that she shouldn't have to put up with such toxic, immature behaviour.
What was the reason? I'm just wondering. It's fine if you can't disclose it.
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 I don't recall specifics, but it had something to do with a garage door I think. She forgot to close it maybe? All I do remember is that it was, truly, a BULLSHIT reason.
@@VidralliaArchives wow, that’s stupid
@@VidralliaArchives Yeah seems to me he's been wanting to do it for a long time and tried to find any reason to do it. This reminds me of the guy who broke up with his girlfriend cause she was making him ride roller coasters. I don't remember which video it was on but it seemed like she pushed too many buttons. Not saying that your coworkers was doing it to her boyfriend. But it reminded me of that lol
We mock characters for falling in love after knowing each for a couple days, but I realized recently that adventuring is a very valuable bonding experience. You learn basically everything you need to know about a person when you're forced to depend on each other for support and protection in dangerous situations.
Well said!
Ahhh no wonder my boyfriend told me I love you within the first week of us being boyfriend and girlfriend. When we started talking we would drive almost everywhere and we even went to a concert for the first time together in the city. And it was a perfect set up and everything we walked and got food, saw the concert. We had to walk to the train to get home. We made it to our station we see droplets of rain and all of a sudden it was pouring, we had to run to find shelter because we parked a little bit far from the station. We made it to the overpass and saw the sky and the rain falling everywhere as we started to kiss. Then we walked to the steps, sat down, and waited out the rain a little. We were talking for a little and he told me that he loves me. Conveniently the rain stopped and I said let’s go back to the car (and me not being ready to say it back) so we did. It wasn’t necessarily a dangerous situation just us adventuring a lot. We were both just turning into official adult teenagers who didn’t have freedom as minors and did a lot of things for the first time together, like going to a beach at night, seeing a concert, getting ramen, etc etc. just normal teenage things our parents didn’t let us do
Oh and don’t worry I made sure when I was ready to say I love you I had the perfect set up and place to say it, I planned out an entire date to the city and we walked around tried new foods and snacks and went to see new things, at the end I surprised him with a view of the entire city. I put my head to his shoulder and we stayed quiet as we looked out in the distance. I told him I love you and he was shocked because I did took a bit of time to say it back. But I had to make sure that it was memorable and almost perfect
@@ssandiaa this is beautiful ty for sharing. You're so lucky to have someone who genuinely love you, by your side 😊
Uh... relationships based off of an intense experience usually don't last
@@dixiecronin7791 I don't think she's saying the relationship is BASED off the experience, but it's based on mutual respect and having common goals, and supportive partners. The adventure just helps it along, and you can see how a person is more quickly. I think the adventure would probably ruin many relationships because danger, hardship, and fear can bring out the worst in people. One way or another, it helps show who you are. Red and green flags be popping up.
I don't think anyone should try to make it happen artificially, though. It's fine if it's organic.
I just had the realization that Shrek and Fiona kind of had opposite arcs to end up in the same place. Both of them wanted to be loved and be themselves, but started the movie thinking they had to sacrifice one of those things for the other. Shrek was a prickly loner partly because everyone was mean to him and being feared felt better than being hated but I think more because he thought the only way to have connection was fit in and he wasn't willing to do that. Fiona by contrast wants love, but she thinks the only way to get it is by following the script in her head for how a love story goes, no matter how poorly her role in that story fits who she really is. Both of them grow and become ready for a relationship by realizing that the other loves them for who they are.
Well said. Never thought of it that way before!
It’s always an interesting turn of things Shrek cared more about being himself than fitting in but was lonely for it and Fiona felt like she had to fit in and felt isolated because of it. By Fiona letting loose she found people who genuinely cared for her and Shrek learned to let people in and discovered theirs people he cares about. My favorite line of the whole movie was from Donkey “you’re so wrapped up in layers Onion Boy! You’re afraid of your own feelings!”
@@Broomer52 I don't remember that line at all, but it's a good line.
This is such a beautiful comment ❤
@@Broomer52indeed.💯
The thing a lot of people probably don't realize about Fiona is she wasn't in that castle eating a lovely meal each time she ate. She survived on rats, bugs, and anything else she could get her hands on. It's a play on how unrealistic it is to lock your daughter away in a dragon guarded castle 😂
I NEVER thought about that. It makes so much sense as to why she just accepts shreks life style in 2.
I think it’s a bit of both. Fiona’s dad was the frog prince and she obviously takes after him. that and I truly believe that her parents were visiting her in the tower because when she reunites with them in the sequel, she does not act shocked at all to see them. She is not emotional she is not overwhelmed or teary-eyed. She’s just like hey guys! As if she’s back from college or something. The dad obviously cares for her and he’s kind of a rebel himself so I truly believe he broke rules and brought her food, supplies, etc, to make sure she was OK. And then whenever she turned into an ogre, pretty sure she left the tower at night to hunt and stuff anyway.
@@snowbird1381 oh, shit he was? I though he just got hit with a spell and the shock from literal shapeshifting just destroyed his old man heart
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat if you watch shrek two, you see the king/queen’s bedroom. It’s dressed with green and lily pads everywhere. And then lily reminisces about them walking down to the lily pond when it was in bloom and Harold says “ our first kiss.” Then at the bar another frog says “do I know you?” Meaning that was the actual girl that was supposed to kiss him but he didn’t want to be with her so he asked the godmother for a favor, so that he could be with Lily. Fairy godmother use that favor as a deal to get her son a spot in the castle. That’s why she threatens to take away Harold’s happily ever after when he refuses to make Fiona fall for Prince Charming.
@@snowbird1381oh my god you just blew my mind!! I never twigged the joke that the Queen is called Lillian and her husband is a frog 😂 how did I not see that before?!
Happy Valentine's Day, everyone. The scene where Donkey notices the dragon bawling her eyes out over Donkey being gone is more meaningful to me as an adult. He was probably the first person to ever try to be nice to her, and treat her as an actual Dragon, with feelings and emotions outside of guarding Fiona, even if he WAS trying to sweet talk her while escaping.
And tell her about her eyes (classic Bugs Bunny) ...and her breath has a hint of minty freshness (does Bugs one better) ?
Which is kinda sad, that she falls for the first person to treat her nice. Just to save himself I might add. But it seems to have worked out at the end
@@Undomaranel I’m sorry but not to be mean the projecting needs to stop this was such a reach your arm is probably out of its socket SA ? I’m sorry did we watch the same movie ? It sounds like you need serious therapy to work through your own trauma because your projecting it onto a kids movie of a fake mythical dragon who doesn’t have the same sense or emotions as a human the compassion makes zero sense and not the movie at all I hope you heal eventually ❤
@@Undomaranel You're probably really young, so I'm just gonna say this: Trauma dumping about your SA experience to complete strangers on the internet where that was NEVER the subject of discussion, is not cool. Also, media with problematic themes does not desensitize, nor moralize those themes for anybody. This is a "violent video games makes school shooters" argument which has been proven false over and over again.
If you lack the critical thinking skills to dissect a piece of media to find the meaning/story, or are unable to rationalize that what happens in fiction does not always align with one's own moral compass, you need to seek therapy. Authors and media creators who make stories about rapists, pedophiles, incestuous relationships, etc 99.9% of the time do NOT condone those actions in the real world. Fiction is meant to be a safe place to express your thoughts/feelings, be a tool to overcome trauma, and be the playground for taboo, macabre, and downright sinful.
@@Undomaranel uh no, that's not what happened
"I'm supposed to be beautiful..."
"But you ARE beautiful."
Sorry, Disney, THIS movie is the one that set my expectations for romance! So glad you took this one on!
I kind of relate haha. Cause in my first date the dude was incredibly handsome and I was so worried about if I was as pretty as he expected. But things went very well. Haha I guess everyone is insecure at some level.
I'm lucky I have a bf who tells me I'm beautiful even when I'm not at my best at all. They do exist. Don't settle for less.
@@Charlotte8591 Me too am happy I found someone like him 💕
This and the addams family (the older movies/show)
@@Charlotte8591Same, it's been wonderful
My favorite part about this franchise is Fiona could’ve saved herself. She would’ve, had he not shown up so she CAN take care of herself. We know that from the get go. But she’s taught that this is how a princess acts, what she’s supposed to do, say and this is how she has to look. Shrek makes her comfortable enough to show what’s beyond what others tell her to be and she does the same for him.
Edit : lol you say that literally a minute later, I should probably shut up until the end of the episode
I think that's why she's so upset with Shrek. If Fiona could've saved herself that's setting the bar higher for when Shrek saves her. Or when Shrek starts to act up later in the series, she's disappointed. Because Fiona could find a way to live life all on her own, but she wants to live a life living worth together.
Funny thing is, that is literally what happens in the alternate reality introduced in the 4th movie. Sick of waiting for a true love that never came to rescue her, Fiona just rescued herself and adopted the lifestyle of a rebellious, outspoken ogre woman who fights for what she believes in.
It's so brilliant that they clearly thought of that and addressed it in a later installment of the story.
Fiona did saved herself that she becomes the leader of the clan of ogres.
@@gabybladen5803 i also love that they showed what Fiona went thru wasn’t all fairytales. They showed that she developed some form of ptsd from being locked away (needing to sleep with a candlelight because she’s afraid she’ll wake up back there and obviously that built up anger of being stuck there because she wasn’t rescued. They really fleshed out her character so well I love it.
Actually happens in Shrek 4
I love that at true love's first kiss, she still does a whole glowy transformation and comes out of it the same as she was before. It shows that she was her best self already and nothing needed to change.
I liked the dragon breaking the last window.
The dragon's quiet personality gets over looked.
@@bcase5328 I think it's also a quick and final "Screw you" from the animators to Micheal Eisner
@@bcase5328indeed.💯
I was really surprised that you don't think Shrek has an arc, Alan! At the start, Shrek is someone who has embraced the world's view of him -- he is unlovable, he is ugly, he exists to be mocked or hated. He can't imagine being liked, having a friend, much less falling in love. By the end, he has allowed himself to imagine he is lovable -- to be brave and fall in love (with a princess, no less!). So I definitely think there's an arc there.
I always think it's deliberate that Princess Fiona is sort of nondescript visually, but "Ogre Fiona" (while green and zaftig) is gorgeous. I just wish someone in the movie had commented on it (it feels a little bit like a cheat).
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I have been looking for a comment like you. Yes!! I fully agree!!!!
@@Cosplayergirlzz That's so nice of you -- thank you so much!
@@edvinbrattberg8647 Thank you so much! I always love Alan's insights, I was just surprised at his take here.
I always related to that cuz people will say I’m confident cuz I don’t care what people think of me but it’s not the same as confidence when you just think that you’re never gonna impress anyone so why even try. This video was kind of an eye opener for me cuz Shrek did change. When he first took off his helmet after meeting Fiona I think he kinda hoped that maybe he was someone’s true love but her look of disappointment hurt. He misunderstood her look but still. It took their friendship and her genuine interest in his likes and acceptance of his weird habits to see he was worth something to someone.
"I hope she likes them thick." That's actually a really good point! Fiona may not have been able to see he was an ogre obviously, but she could see his body shape and that he was definitely a bigger man, and she was completely on board with that! There was no little like "oh ew," she was straight up excited to see him.
So on top of everything, just a nice little moment of a fat man being found attractive or at least not being treated like a big deal. That's pretty rare in a lot of media.
Honestly Shrek and Fiona are probably the first mainstream media couple that's larger (Fiona's true form) and well, happy together and nontoxic. At least the first I can remember off the top my head. I'm sure there's other ones that might be lesser known.
Yeah, though she was suppose to expect Prince Charming, she pretty much just expecting that a human man would rescue her and whomever that was, that would be her prince charming
I'm with Fiona here I like me a thicc man.
And even ~Handsome Shrek~ in the later material has ears that stick out and a stocky build.
@@Uncle_Smidge Yeah, I was actually thinking about that when I originally made this comment! Though I guess I didn't know how to word it lol
What's nuts is that this movie was a sort of punishment for those working on it....they were the B team so to speak, because they weren't placed to work on Prince of Egypt and no one was expecting Shrek to be as huge a hit as it is. It still holds up and hilarious as heck!
Once, I just needed to watch something stupid. This film came to mind. Masterpiece? No. Intelligent? Sorry, it isn't. Something to make you laugh just for the heck of it, and not to force a laugh like 'comedies' do? HECK YEAH!
@@coralmaynard4876 But that’s why is genius…the comedy is fire and doesn’t make you laugh for the hell of it with cheap humor. It’s smarter than you think.
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 Well, as I said, when I wanted to watch something stupid, this film came to mind, and it was perfect for it, so... I mean, I guess you can say it's clever BECAUSE it's stupid, but that still means it's stupid XD
It's probably because they didn't have pressure to make it live up to typical Disney standards and they could do what they wanted more that it turned out so awesome.
(And this movie is not stupid. There are loads of layers to everything in this movie which make it deeper and cleverer than it first appears. Like an onion. lol)
@@coralmaynard4876 It isn't stupid though. There's a ton of hidden intelligence from the subversion of the typical musical structure, to the jabs at Disney, to a the fact that it actually shows you to be yourself through characters with a lot of flaws and actual societal stigma against them as opposed to telling you but showing attractive people who have one offbeat quirk.
I loved these movies as a child and love them even more now! Not only is the comedy funnier as an adult, but the relationships in these movies (romantic and platonic) are so well thought out.
It's great that Shrek is not just a movie to make fun of Disney, but legitimately good movies
@@ShockingPikachu Agreed yet they stilll have their fun child like elements like donkey ahem sorry i meant *DONKÉ*
Exactly
@Shocking Pikachu exactly my thoughts! I think why movies like Shrek and Deadpool work so well that even though they openly mock other movie tropes, they still create their own footing in what makes their films unique.
@@Ditto.007 *DONKAY* ! 😂😂😂
Shrek definitely has an arc. He starts off being super guarded because he’s used to people not accepting him and he doesn’t wanna get hurt so he doesn’t open up - to donkey or anyone. Then Fiona cracks that and gets him to open up. Then when Fiona talks about “not loving a hideous beast,” Shrek’s insecurities come out and he automatically assumes she’s talking about him. This is where we find out his “confidence” and pride are all just an act and he’s actually very sensitive and hurt that people won’t accept him for who he is. It’s cool because that part of his character arc isn’t actually resolved until the sequel where he’s still insecure about being an ogre and even turns into a human for Fiona. Maybe it’s never resolved which is actually kinda refreshing for a movie cause sometimes our insecurities are never going to fully go away, but we can recognize it and try to not let it stop us from finding love and chasing our dreams.
So while yes, his arc involves Fiona and donkey, it’s also an internal arc where he decides that being vulnerable and risking getting hurt is worth the risk of being loved and accepted. He’s not the same guarded “I don’t need friends, just me and my swamp” type of guy at the end that he was in the beginning of the movie.
I was a little annoyed they couldn’t see the depth of writing for Shrek as a character.
Right? I'm pretty surprised they said he didn't have much of an arc and that he was okay with his flaws and how people saw them. There were whole scenes that showed how hurt he actually was by them and how he puts up with it bc he believed what they'd say. Really surprised they did not notice that 😕
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The way his little shriek ears went down when he first took off the helmet was just so sweet and sad and vulnerable 😭😭😭🥹🥹🥹
yes. I get exactly the vibe.
Shrek 1 and 2 have aged like fine wine. I could watch them over and over, the heart and soul of those movies remains relevant and inspiring to me even though I’m nearly 30
As did Shrek 4
Shrek 3 aged like spoiled milk
@@rynemcgriffin1752 “There is no Shrek the Third in Ba Sing Se”
@@Victoura56 “There is no Shrek the Third in Ba Sing Se”
“There is no Shrek the Third in Ba Sing Se”
There is no Shrek the Third in Ba Sing Se. …Or anywhere else.
I genuinely hope you do Shrek 2. Not only can you pull some lessons from Shrek's self-doubt in himself, his marriage, his worth, etc, but also because its just a damn good movie that still holds up so well in emotional & comedic writing.
I watch Shrek 2 once in a while when I have some alone time to look after myself. And I ALWAYS cry at the end when they both turn back to their old forms, by their own choice, because they have such a strong and loving relationship and it no longer matters to them how others may judge. In a way, they both make sacrifices for each other and conquered challenges along the way, and that strengthens their bond and made them a better team. Relationships are often uneven, but when both partners show the same level of love and care for each other, it will be easy to overcome differences and inconveniences that life throws at you.
I think the video straight up said it was happening, be hyped :)
The beginning of the video said that they're also doing one on their marriage. So that'll probably talk about 2 and 3 (maybe 4?)
Honestly, I'd love a bit of coverage on 4 and it's lesson on how true love is earned, not automatic.
Edit: Going off memory, though, not sure how much of the movie besides them meeting again and the climax actually covers that on second thought.
One of my favorite lines showing Shreks confidence is when Farquad says “it’s hideous!” And he says “that’s not very nice! It’s just a donkey.”
I just loved the wink-wink in Farquad's name. For young kids, he has a fantasy-land sounding name. For adults and older kids, we KNOW what they meant from the start.
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He was such a Farquad.
@@MonkeyJedi99 As an adult, i STILL don't get what they meant by it.
@@heintz256 I think it's f*ckwad
@@heintz256 His name sounds like F*ckwad
@@heintz256 Fu** Wad.
I know Shrek was written out of spite for Mike Eisener, but the writers went so damn hard portraying a healthy and natural relationship, as well as whole and complete people who only needed a spur of growth in the right direction. And they only grow more as time goes on, but they're still the same people. It's AWESOME.
Whaa? Out of spite for Mike? What's the story?
@@carmarniah9360 they got fired
Whoa whoa whoa. It wasn't the writers who had Disney issues, it was Jeff Katzenberg, whom Eisner passed over when Frank Wells tragically passed in an accident. Katzenberg decamped into SKG with Spielberg and Geffen, and produced this. As far as I know, Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio have no beef with Disney.
I heard this other theory that animators were banished to make the movie Shrek. It was even called "Get Shreked ." It was supposed to serve as punishment to them. Try looking into it.
@@theconstellationofboredom8635 just because it was considered a punishment doesn't mean that the team didn't try. I'm also well aware of this lol
I think one of the best ways the series showed how conditioned Fiona was is that her entire speech when she first meets Shrek is word for word what comes out of one of her toys.
I noticed this recently while rewatching the first two movies. In the second one especially, they just hammer home all the expectations that were branded into her, and all the JUDGEMENT, especially from her own FATHER. We see it in her diary, where he simply cannot move past what the curse turns his baby girl into. Lilian eventually softened and just wanted her daughter back, but Harold was so brazenly blatant until the end of the movie. The awful mental impact that must've made on a teenage girl, a teenage princess.
Harold probably has bigger problem with the transformation since he is the Frog Prince, he knows how hard it is to be stuck in a clasically hideous form, so his trauma makes him try everything to save her, and he goes to true love, the thing that saved him
@@eyes_espresso4803 Well I’m sure that Queen Lillian looked past the fact that Shrek is an Ogre, because she married someone who use to be (and reverted back to being) a frog. Perhaps Harold was indoctrinating her child to think hideousness is a negative trait and that being physically attractive is more important (because he agreed with Fairy Godmother to have an arranged marriage for their two children); but Lillian wants Fiona to remember that appearances and personalities don’t always match, and she should look inside her heart to accept destiny in finding the right person to fall in love with. If anything, Fiona learns as much from her mother as she does from her father; as evident by Fiona introducing Shrek followed by the Dinner Scene, that Lillian looked on the bright side of the outcome and not let it bother her so much, where as Harold is blaming Shrek over an arranged marriage that will never happen.
The thing that I love about Shrek is that he doesn't kiss her right away. To him he sees a woman sleeping and wakes her up to verify who she is but also that is to me a symbol of consent. If it were Prince Charming he would have just kissed her.
I thought that was awesome. Because the kissing sleeping (or dead) people was extremely disturbing to me as a child. I kind of assumed the princes were all serial killers or something.
Shaking was a bit hard on her frame though like ow if I was shook like her something would have came out of place
Thats true actually especially when Charming shows up late and tries to do just that
not to mention the comedic timing and interaction. Fiona is playing by the book and is like, "Shouldn't this be a romantic moment?" Shrek is just like, "That's nice, but I'm in a hurry."
Not "right away"? It wasn't really his intention at all when he rescued her.
I saw this somewhere else, but the thing about the "forced misunderstanding" and the things that Fiona says during it, is that it's more a display of how open and unrepentant negativity about yourself can hurt not only you, but those around you who share those traits. If I say "I keep forgetting important appointments, I'm so stupid" - completely intended at myself, even referencing myself openly, but my friend who also regularly forgets appointments hears that I think it makes anyone who does that stupid, even if I don't actually believe that about anyone but myself. A little forced for the misunderstanding, maybe, but what it represents is quite real.
I love your comment.
Thank you. My mom always tried to be supportive of me, but she was so harsh and cruel to herself, and I don't think she understood how much of that spilled over to me -- especially when I was younger.
Wow, I've never thought of it like that. I am very self-critical and really hard on myself when I make a mistake. It never occurred to me that criticizing myself could reflect onto someone else. Thank you for the comment because I have learned a very good lesson today.
Oh man, same! It took a long time to see that extra dimension in my mom, that I see her put herself down and constantly people please, and I picked up on that.
Wow... i never thought about it like that.
When Fiona said "But I was supposed to be beautiful" and Shrek replies with that she is, I always tear up.
I was always a heavy set girl and as a kid constantly was told, that one has to fit a certain beauty standard to be worthy of love. Took me quite a while to work on that, and I still not quite love myself as much as I should.
I was gonna say. The boys rightly criticize the film from the angle of "guy falls in love with woman for her character, is rewarded with the woman becoming beautiful". But I feel they missed how genuinely transgressive (at the time) the film's ending felt, for letting Fiona stay an ogre, and saying she was beautiful that way. That she was still beautiful, that she always had been beautiful.
Me, too
@@tbotalpha8133 Very progressive both for the time and now even. Usually some of the 2000s movies have some stuff that didn't age good but that for sure did.
In my experience as a heavy woman. You would be surprised how many dudes are into that.
@@taynahibanez9952 and the guys who are into that are VERY into that.
I was literally explaining to a friend yesterday how even this raunchy comedy movie full of dirty jokes could make a great cinema therapy movie, because Dreamworks knows how to write characters with genuine struggles and strong emotional tones.
I love Dreamworks' relationships, there's no massive gesture of love or appreciation, but instead genuine connection. There's no need for the grand gestures, because their actions show their love for each other. I love the way they work on relationships, and come to love each other not for what they bring, but what the are. The emotional connections the characters make are far more valuable than any object could buy, and I'm here for it!
You can definitely have both. You could both sing a song about how much you love your partner to the world (if that’s what they want) while also loving the little moments and the connection
"You will get rejected for who you are and it will hurt but it is actually a blessing" is like THE best piece of advice for any and all kinds of relationships - romantic, platonic, friendships, anything!
There’s absolutely a character arch. Shrek’s arch is also about facing the rough exterior walls he’s built and why. He also tackles some underlying insecurities related to that, all of which make him averse to letting people in and building relationships.
Agreed. He goes from lone wolf (get out of my swamp) to accepting and wanting companionship :)
Exactly
But it’s a movie so it’s written to pan out that way. Real life isn’t like that.
@@Darkloid21 And your point is?
@@farrex0 the point is there is no lesson to learn here, it’s not real and not rooted in life. It’s just a story written to end a certain way because that message sells better
I remember as an angry teenager, I had to be almost literally dragged into the theater to see this with my family. I probably laughed loudest and longest.
Good drag
Goes to show it doesn’t hurt to try something new
@@Merlodica very true
peak character development
honestly i remember being a kid and just being absolutely floored by the "but you are beautiful" line at the end of the movie. it was the first time i had seen something like that and it always stuck with me. it also managed to fix the one thing about Beauty and the Beast that never sat right with me even as a child.
I am confused about the beauty and the beast comment. Is it about beast going back to his original human form?
I love how Fiona never tries to change Shrek but at the same time she gives him reasons to change his bad aspects just by being herself. Shrek doesn't change for Fiona but because of her and she allows him to do so at his own pace. she also accepts him for who he is and his weirdness and instead of being grossed out she just goes along with it even if she doesn't understand it.
I love the fact that in the beginning part the subtitles said "Internet-Dads: [Laughing]". That's the spirit I'm here for. A lot videos of you guys are just so wholesome and enjoyable, especially this one about Shrek. Thank you
@Saphira703 I can totally picture one of them, popping up at the worst moment to interrupt an almost-kiss between their buddy and his wife. (2/14/2023)
Shoot, couldn't get the titles to work, here
I’ll stand up for the “forced misunderstanding” portion of Shreek. It wasn’t just “who could love a hideous beast” then “wait, a darn gosh minute, I’m a hideous beast” Shek *adores* that about himself. At least he thinks he does. It’s when when he thought Fiona couldn’t love him despite that, that’s when when Shank instantly *deeply internalized* that.
love how you spell his name xD
@@noxlotl_ the last one caught my attention, and your comment made me reread it again 😂😂😂
@@noxlotl_ I missed that after reading it twice lol
It’s the fact that you misspelled his name 3 times and I didn’t notice 😭
Because he likes the sheer power of being a large scarry man that can throw a fully armored man across a field.
When discussing the “forced misunderstanding” trope, I do love how Puss in Boots: The Last Wish did it, where it started as the trope but never actually went through with it, subverting it for a healthier relationship for it with how they did it.
I hope you guys find a topic to cover for Puss In Boots 2, because it’s 110% worth as many views from everyone anywhere.
I'm certain that Puss or Goldi's arcs in this film are worthy of analysis from therapists.
@@leirbag1595 and Puss' anxiety Attack and his arc/growth of going from arrogant to humble
Agree but I believe puss in boots 1 should be reviewed first or I’ll be hard to understand puss and kitty soft paws relationship on how he opened up to her (then the movie talks about his struggles growing up and relationship with humors dumpy)then in the 2nd movie abandoned her then opens up to her again
I'm still not over him being called "puss in boots" in english. I'm from germany and here he was called "der gestiefelte Kater" which badly translates to "booted male cat" (boots as an adjective but that doesn't really work in english). Like why do you call him puss in boots in english? wth guys
@@erdbar718 I guess because "pussy in boots" isn't exactly good for the viewer-expectations? 😁 (What is the name of the cat in German dubbing, btw? I never watched those in German so I'm curious. Just "Kater"?)
I’m so glad I found this channel. It is truly helping me getting through tough days. Combining therapy with cinema is truly a genius move in my opinion.
Thanks for watching! We're glad you're here.
"there will be people who reject who you are, and it hurts" but you shouldn't change who you are. So well said thank you!
I'm glad this is the valentines video. What I also love is that Shrek relapses because in a relationship of any sort, you have those thoughts of the past was good or being single was good. But then you really think about it and you forget that being alone is sometimes lonely and that what you really wanted was time alone but you still enjoy the company of your loved ones. But the first movie will always be the best.
Same!!!!
I mean, the second movie was even better IMO. And the quicker we get to The Last Wish, the better.
I really hoped Shrek was just a trilogy and Shrek the 3rd was some ugly fever dream.
@@mackielunkey2205 Shrek 1 is a perfect story. Shrek 2 is a perfect sequel.
One of my favorite pieces of information about this movie is that every time he tells someone his name for the first time he hesitates, almost as if he made it up on the spot and had to remember what name he’s going with. When he first meets donkey he definitely made up his own name, and when he meets Fiona he had to remember what he told donkey to reduce confusion later.
XD headcanon acquired
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Edit 2: *wrong word LOL
Whaaat I think you might be right! But it's so weird and surprising to me xD
I think he's embarrassed of his name so he stalls. He doesn't really want to say it. It's just another thing about him that people don't like. Every person he tells his name too is grossed out by his name except for Fionna. Fionna's reaction is supposed to be your first hint about her being more than just a cookie cutter princess.
The way I interpreted it is that no one ever asks him his name they just run away in fear or disgust so he’s surprised that someone even cares to ask him so it takes him a moment to get over the initial shock
This reminds me of a conclusion I came to a year or two ago: "If I assume that there's at least one person out there who would love me for who I am, and is therefore already looking for someone like me, then the best way to help them find me is to maximize the display of those factors which make me who I am, and which they therefore already love, i.e. to "be myself" as much as possible. And the same also holds true of them."
That's a perfect motto and a beautifully-worded way to put it! It's a much better way to look at dating than the old "if they can't handle me at my worst, they don't deserve my best", which I can't help but feel has been a bit bastardized to excuse terrible behaviour, rather than just the simple "take me as I am". I hope you don't mind but I'm going to yoink this to add to my own personal affirmations, it's wonderful :)
@@sugarbaby1974 If it works, then by all means.
For my part, I'll be doing my best this year to put this theory to the test. It will be interesting to see the results.
(1) im gonna comment just so I can come back cuz this is straight up very honest solid wisdom & (2) literally Every single person/ancestor before you got laid and there’s 7 BILLION people out there, your odds are good that at least ONE out there will like your goofy ass ∠( ᐛ _/¯ ∠)＿ ✨
But yeah opening yourself up to the world & being yourself can help you find people you resonate with I think
@@nileslopez7385 True, but with the caveat that the ease of finding a partner depends strongly on the shared "core values" you're looking for. After all, how many other people in the movie did you see inflating frogs and eating cobwebs? Using myself as an example, I've narrowed my search down to 10 core values which I consider "non-negotiable" to a healthy relationship, and some of them are quite unusual. Having looked up what statistics I could on most of them, I estimate there are 0.65 individuals on earth that meet these criteria.
However, having said that, I also consider the potential value of that relationship well worth the effort in spite of the high odds of failure, so I will proceed with my plans to that end. "A needle in a haystack" doesn't even begin to describe the difficulty of the task, but unusual problems require unusual solutions; potentially as unusual as the person seeking or being sought, which is another reason to "be yourself" and make your "you-ness" as visible as possible, and while unusual people are harder to find, by definition, their unusualness also makes them proportionally more conspicuous, if they are allowed and allow themselves to be.
Be the best version of yourself. Improvement with honesty.
My longest relationship (my partner that I'm married to) started with me sitting down within the first two weeks being very clear and direct about who I was and what I wanted out of life. It was a lot and a rather intense way to kick things off, but we came out of that conversation having a good idea of how compatible we were. You never really know how good decisions like that are except in hindsight, but after eight years together and five married, I know it was probably one of the best things I've ever done for myself.
Something that I've always appreciated about the Shrek movies ever since I first watched them as a kid is how Shrek and Fiona (in ogre form) have the same body types as real people and family members in my life. I've never really been super effected by society's weird thing about body image but its always something that's stood out to me. I guess cause most movies, animated or live-action, have people in it like Prince Charming or Fiona in human form.
About "cruelty to animals in this movie": I can't ever forget the moment where we see "mama bear" as a rug in front of Farquart's bed after we last saw the family being evicted from the swamp.
Kinda sticks with me more than everything else about this movie and made me really happy to see Goldilocks with her family in "P.i.B 4"
There's this theory that Papa Bear in the Last Wish was the baby bear in Shrek 1. With that, he started his own family, adopted Goldilocks and soon became this crime family.
Extra points for Shrek NOT kissing a (suposedly) unconscious woman! Consent is HOT! ❤😊
ETA: Wow, this blew up!
Just to clarify, (I didn’t intend to write an essay) I just wanted to give kudos to the writers for subverting the disgusting and trite Sleeping Beauty trope (ewww) as it is something that any decent person (or ogre in this case) wouldn’t even consider, and consent is obviously not a bonus point but a baseline.
Movies, to my chagrin, do oftentimes reflect disgusting tropes as romantic, and IRL we should never accept such behaviours as normal or even worse, couple goals!
Have a nice day everybody, and big hugs to the CT team! 😊
Was about to say! Kudos to him ❤️
As someone who has had that happen, I agree 💯
I totally agree that consent is hot, but I don't think that's even relevant here. He's a guy alone in a (supposedly) defenseless woman's room and the idea of anything inappropriate doesn't even cross his mind. He's just some person doing their "job," he doesn't see her as a sexual object whatsoever.
Like CinemaTherapy point out, the entire movie Shrek is just Shrek doing Shrek's thing.
#ConsentIsSexy
Yet so many people can’t reach it
The new Puss in Boots would make for a great episode, I think. It deals a lot with appreciating life for the gift that it is, anxiety (it even has a really well-done panic attack scene), finding your worth inside yourself instead of in the image you've built of yourself, and mortality.
A LOT of people are recommending this movie so I hooopee they will do it 🤞
Maybe they're working up through the series and will get to it~ will enjoy each episode as they go 😄
What great messages. As a child I always saw Fiona as a princess regardless of what she looked like but as I’ve gotten older I’ve dealt with my own fair share of body shaming and meeting expectations that aren’t my own. Also your impressions of Shrek and Donkey at the end were spot on!!
Fiona is such a great princess because she knows how to kick butt and defend herself I could see her being buddies with Merida and Mulan
15:22 made my day
"I've seen live rats in Vietnam and have no desire to eat them cause they are the size of possums."
"I didn't eat a live one," procedes to smile
I find it even funnier how Jonathan didn't even doubt he would eat a live rat-
I actually wanna try rat meat
I always considered Fiona becoming the ogre at the end and taking “loves true form” actually being her taking on the form of her true love and shrek saying “but you are beautiful” as talking about how she didn’t change at all and how he sees her inner beauty
I always found ogre Fiona to be the prettier version.
Inner beauty? She's just breathtakingly beautiful for an ogre.
Compare to a chimp girl turning into a Hollywood beauty at night. She'd be dead ugly then to her chimp family and friends. And then she turns into the Hollywood beauty all day long when she kisses her human love.
@@Takisan111 her eyes and lips seem a lot more prettier for sure
So many movies have somebody "falling in love at first sight" - they are attracted to appearance and vow to pursue their love. In this one, they learn about each other's interests and develop a relationship that's based on that before they appreciate people's looks.
That's also why this film is a tad unrealistic. Whether we like to admit it or not, we're often attracted to other people on a physical level first.
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Love it! THank you so much!
@@CinemaTherapyShow But you should also know about how bad BetterHelp can be... It really isn't a sustainable model for the practitioners.
The greatest lesson I learned from this film: When you open your heart to others and the world, you’ll find that there are people out there who don’t hate you when you think you deserve to be hated.
21:30 the most complete reversal of that trope I've seen is in Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, when Flint takes the cute girl, puts the glasses *on* her, puts the hair *into* a ponytail, and *then* he's blown away by her. It's like a reverse Pygmalion
Gotta rewatch Cloudy with a chance of meatballs
Absolutely adorable I loved it 😁
I love that movie! It's so under-rated
Inner beauty isn’t from the physical attractiveness, it’s from seeing the person for who he/she is, and Flint accepted Sam for being a nerd because he’s one too.
I'm glad you're doing a separate video for their married life - it's definitely a dense topic!
Fun fact, there was a cut opening while they were still trying to nail down the story where Fiona met with a witch to see what could be done about the ogre situation, and Dama Fortuna (the witch) offered her two options - she could give Fiona beauty, or she could give her the path to her true love. Fiona chose beauty, figuring that she could find her true love on her own if she was beautiful. Unfortunately, that's how I thought as a teenager and in my early 20's - that no one would be my true love if I wasn't already gorgeous.
Damn that’s deep!
I just rewatched the Great Gatsby recently and I had Jono’s therapist advice on toxic relationships in mind the whole time. It would be interesting if you guys evaluated the relationships between Tom and Daisy, and Gatsby and Daisy. Both are toxic in more similar ways that people might realize.
Cool idea, but which version are we talking about?
@@iLikeTheWordRetro I’ve only ever seen the 2013 version. It’s currently free on TH-cam. Tho I don’t care which version they decide to react to. It’s an overall compelling story. And I’ve heard the 1974 version was good, too.
I hated the Great Gatsby (book and film). I don't need more stories of narcissistic wealthy white people being terrible to each other.
man, I really love how this channel lets me rewatch my favorite scenes from my favorite childhood movies and dissects all the valuable meaning I missed as a kid
I hope you do Puss in Boots 2! There’s lots of themes about anxiety, coming to terms with death, enjoying the life you have now, and many more. It would be great for this channel.
I'm just here to point out that Shrek was her best choice because he didn't kiss someone that, for all he knew, was an unconscious, barely-legal stranger because ✨tradition✨, and we stan.
Barely legal?? Where does it say that?? I thought Fiona was in her mid/late twenties
@@jumutudor4095 "far all he knew"= in shrek's perspective once arriving, this princess that is sleeping *could've* been a minor
@jumutudor4095 given that the standard, especially with Disney, is teenaged princesses with Tiana oldest at 18 and Snow White at 14.
So he doesn't know her age and probably assumed she might be under 18 and did not want to go down that route. Now, after he rescues her and they get to know her, it's obvious that she's in her middle 20s.
@jumutudor4095 I looked it up, and the answer seems to be found in the Shrek Musical. Both of them met briefly when they were 7, 23 years have passed when the movie starts.
And yes, in those years, Fiona was locked in her tower. Which is just horrible parenting if you ask me.
I believe Shrek didn't kiss Fiona in the tower because it never crossed his mind. He was there to do a job to get his land back. The falling in love came afterwards.
What makes me smile is, when you've seen the series and know that all her life she was told how it would be, and she really WAS expecting Prince Charming, the fact that Shrek rescued her probably blew her mind.
I have a hard time believing that this movie came out 22 years ago, it was a huge part of my childhood. I guess it's true, the years start coming and they don't stop coming :)
22 years?!?!?!?!!?!
@@tessaluce9296 omg wut I’m 20 and ….. 😢I feel old what the heck 22years old?!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhh 😭
@@W3ND3Y ahhhhhh 😭
I can remember I saw this in theatres when it came out. I was three, but still knew it was different to any movie that came before.
@@9u1n When I was a kid I would ALWAYS ask to watch this movie, or the sequel to it every time I was at my Grammy’s house because she had it and I didn’t. Now I have the movie memorized by ❤️
As someone who is having a hard time trying to find someone to love and want to spend my time with, this message was just the one I needed to hear the most. Rejection does hurt but it just shows you that you dodged a major bullet and that person just isn't right for you. It just shows that there will be someone that will love for who you are and will love every single moment with you. Thank you so much for this great advice!!!
My husband and I have been happily married for years and we've found that it's important to regularly find things to praise each other about and to not critisize each other. It's also important to be supportive of those things in your partner's life that they get really excited about. We both have hobbies that, honestly, nether of us really "get" or understand the real appeal of, but we both try and be excited and encouraging of each other's hobbies because we know that it brings our partner excitement and happiness. Really expressing interest in your partner's likes and dislikes can show them that you love them and that you want to know more about those things that make them happy.
24:43 I never thought I needed a clip of Jono saying "I'm making ✨waffles✨" until now because that was glorious
I love that you loved it
I love the message that happiness is about being who you are deep inside rather than who society expects you to be. This message hits hard...especially for women. We are all expected to be dainty, delicate princesses when inside we have the hearts of ogres.
Thank you so much for doing a cinematic therapy on Shrek!
The ending is so true! If someone doesn’t like you for you and they leave, that is an absolute BLESSING!
I agree with the "No more forced misunderstandings."
The film would have gone just the same if he'd wanted to give her the freaky looking flower, but chickened out and been prickly and embarrassed about chickening out the next morning.
I'm so glad you're covering Shrek, I hope you cover Shrek and Donkey's relationship as well. It might not seem important but without Donkey, the events of Shrek don't happen. Donkey's presence subtly pushes Shrek to be more vulnerable and caring in his own ogrey way
Agreed! Donkey is the type of character who pushes Shrek out of his comfort zone, but he doesn't cross Shrek's boundaries, which can be such a difficult line to distinguish.
Someone probably already mentioned this but the funny thing about Shrek was how they got their animators to work on it. This was being worked on the same time as The Prince of Egypt. Another cinematic master piece! But during both of these projects some people would be dejected to Shrek as almost a punishment. The workers called it being "Shreked". I think the reason the writing and animation is just *chef's kiss* is because of the workers essentially being pushed aside.
This was the last movie my family saw together before my parents divorced. We were on vacation in Scotland. Brings back a lot of nostalgia and bittersweet memories. Many years later, I am now married to a wonderful man. Thank you for taking us through a great movie analysis- your words filled me with gratitude for finding someone who loves me for being me.
As a trans person, Fiona speaks to my personal experience so much. I was raised and socialized to fit society's expectations of me based on the way my gender looked to them based on the way my body appeared. And I clung to that for so long. But then I learned to accept and love who I was on the inside, and now I get to work towards showing it on the outside. I wish is was as easy as true love's kiss though😂
Fun as always. Now I really want a "Westley & Buttercup" couples therapy from Princess Bride. (Though we don't actually see much of their courtship, I guess. Maybe we just need a Princess Bride one in general.)
I'd love a princess Bride one mostly because I love anything that has to do with The princess Bride
ive leaned so much about phsychology and film "mentality" from you guys than anyone else 💀
Yes, I love Psychology! Cinema therapy does a great job of breaking things down
It's interesting that Shrek actually has an arc in the musical, about how he outwardly feels okay with his place in life, but inwardly wishes he could be the hero of the story, not realizing until later on that he could choose to be the hero and save Fiona from Farquaad.
I also like that the musical gives him more backstory, like with his parents casting him out into the world at a young age and brainwashing him into thinking he’ll always not “be the hero” because that’s how the world will look at him.
wym he's always had an arc even in the movie it was him learning that he's not unlovable and doesn't have to be a solitary "monster"
The point you make about there being no pressure to make something work romantically taking the pressure off, allowing Shrek and Fionna to be themselves really does ring true. In a lot of ways that is how I met and fell in love with my own partner, and we've been married over 18 years.
This movie holds such a special place in my heart. I watched it for the first time during one of my cousin's birthday. All of my cousins were here, we were all laughing together. Now due to life and family feud we don't see each other anymore, and I find myself remembering this kind of moments whenever I see this movie.
This film reminds me of my relationships, but in a wrong way. I've been taught to act very proper and gentle as a girl and met someone who is of the same teaching. But after about 4 years I realised, that being proper doesn't equal to being a good person. You can still be very kind and caring without having to be on your "Best behaviour". I found people, who are now my best friends who were very open with each other and with me. They accepted me so quick and I never felt more myself than ever with them and I never had to meet and quotas with them. I didn't have to be anything more than a friend and still don't.
The ending of movie one is so powerful and necessary: "I was supposed to be beautiful.." - "You ARE beautiful."
It's so normalised to see the transformation from Beast to Beauty that we're not expecting a happy ending to include people being fine with unusual appearances or even change into an "uglier" version. I'm glad this movie works against that trope of having to be conventionally attractive to be lovable.
Also, the second movie goes a step further and literally takes their "perfect" appearance and presents it as not their true self/ a verson that makes them unhappy. It's the only franchise that comes to my mind that does that.
Edit: Watched the video; I'm glad you mentioned that scene and hold the same views :D
Please, y’all NEED to react to The Last Wish next, it has a great relationship as well, along with a fascinating character arc about accepting your mortality. Also, one of the main characters is a therapy dog too! Its an amazing movie, and I really think y’all would love it!
Them: "What are your plans for Valentine's Day?"
Me: "Hanging out with the boys!" ... *sits down to watch Cinema Therapy*
The "Eels, Frog, and Snake" scene is one of my favorites from any "falling in love" scene from any movie. They act like themselves, and like kids, and like real people would if the "odd" framing were removed. It's also just a perfect love song for anyone who's ever found a "The One," even if just for a "scene."
my favorite inversion of the She's All That is Daria, when she makes herself "conventionally beautiful" for like 5 minutes to motivate her sister out of a funk. Demonstrating that she could absolutely look like that whenever she wants to, she just doesn't.
I was having such a hard day on this day that is supposed to be about love. Thank you for always being there for me Cinema Therapy. I really needed this today and you pulled through for me. I always appreciate it.
Hope your day gets better. Also, I agree. Cinema Therapy FTW!! 😁😁
Sending you a hug across the internet! 🫂
Loving yourself is key, you taught me that today and I’m so grateful. Thanks guys.
This will be your best episode by far, no doubt about it and I had no idea how much I wanted it until you did it
It's comforting to know that I can relate to Shrek the older I get. I become more comfortable with who I am, which is the first set of steps that Shrek was taking to relationships down the road. Love is like a work of art, flaws and all. It's flaws are what affect people. Unless if those flaws keep you from loving each other, it's harmless.
I'm here to serve 😁
@@JonathanDecker Well I'll be damned. The man himself. Keep up the stellar work, Jonathan. It's very reassuring when I see your guys' videos and be reaffirmed by them. I recommend this channel to my coworkers all the time.
Thank you so much! My original reply doesn't really match your comment because it was meant for somebody else's comment. I meant to comment on yours how profound your thoughts were to me 🙂
@@JonathanDecker You are most welcome. Truly. I apologize for the late reply, I work night shifts in youth support foster care. I sleep during the day. So don't worry, these videos are being put to good use and are suggested often.
Talking about falling for people who don't share values really hit home for me. I fell in love with someone who was the complete polar opposite of me and not in a cute romcom opposites attract kind of way. We were friends first so I thought we had a solid foundation, but there was hardly anything we actually agreed on from religion and politics to whether we would have kids and if we wanted to get married, once we moved in together we found that our personalities also clashed (sometimes dangerously). I changed what I want to match what she wanted from life so that it could feel like we were moving the same direction even if I was actually being pulled along and guided into things I didn't necessarily want or believe in. I forgot who I was without her and silently hoped that the relationship would eventually just fizzle out so I could try to move past everything and we could both be okay and stay in each other's lives as friends, instead it exploded and I honestly can't look back and think of a time when I was with her that I was actually, truly happy and fulfilled. That relationship really showed me that not being able to help who you love is true but also taught me what kind of partnership I want in my future.
I noticed too in the scene where Donkey laughs at the idea of Shrek being Fiona's true love. Donkey laughs first and Shrek watches him laugh and then joining in the laughter, almost as if Shrek had hope for love for just a brief moment before being reassured that Fiona loving Shrek is ridiculous.
I love that they were into the same weird stuff and could be themselves around each other.
The movie I didn't know I needed you guys to watch. You guys are awesome!
I’m with you there
Can’t wait for you to do Last Wish (Same franchise). I love how it gets the difficulties of going through panic attacks/anxiety just right.
YES! I can't wait for them to cover that movie. That's gonna be such an amazing episode.
13:17 It's *really* hard for me to watch that sequence from Shrek because growing up, I felt a *lot* like Fiona, believing i wouldn't find love because I was so weird, female, but not really girly, liking nerdy stuff like science fiction, but somehow, by a miracle, I found my Shrek, his name was Tim and he absolutely fell in love with me, yes me. We had the same values and interests and we were completely in love with each other, but he had recently found out he was HIV positive. I only had him in my life for 7.5 years before he died of AIDS in 1995. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful to have had him, but seeing this makes me realize what a special man, a special connection I had, but it still hurts sometimes.
Thank you for making me realise my partner is pretty much Shrek. 😁 He was the first person I ever met who I felt I could be myself around and completely accepts all my weird interests and quirks, even if he doesn't understand them. He can be stubborn too and comes across as a little condescending sometimes in the way that he speaks (I learned it's his natural tone, not intentional) but is ultimately just as sweet and caring.
Thank you for talking about this iconic couple lol. I unironically love this movie so much. I relate very much to Fiona. I grew up in a very conservative, walking on eggshells, kind of home where I was expected to act and speak a certain way. On top of that I have a disney-like appearance which seems to give others a certain expectation of my personality. In reality I have pretty strange interests that don't align with those expectations. I never felt like I had a safe space to just be myself without judgement. I was always hiding who I felt I was. That changed when I met my husband. He is (in the best way possible) the wierdest person I've ever met. The first thing I ever noticed about him was his confidence. He says and does what he wants, regardless of what others might think, and encourages me to do the same. He makes me feel not only safe to show my quirks, but loves even more because of them. I couldn't be happier.
Was totally going to watch this today for V-Day! Thanks for making it better, guys!
You're so welcome!
Watched this with my bridesmaids the night before my wedding. It was so much better than the other romantic comedy we briefly switched on
God, I needed this therapy session! I met a woman I was into, got her number, but when I asked her out, she said we’re not compatible. Still stings, but I 100% believe I dodged a bullet and am grateful
In a society where healthy relationship advice is scarce, this is worth pure gold
I remember seeing this in theatres as a kid and when we see ogre Fiona for the first time a little kid in the back yelled “she’s not ugly she’s cute!”
Knowing what you value is so f*ing important. I once had a date with a woman and we had a really great time. She told me about her hobbies and interests with such passion that it didn't matter that I understood nearly nothing because the way she talked about it was so captivating. The day after I texted her and was like "I had a great time, hope we can do it again soon. I only wished this stupid virus wasn't around so I would have been able to give you a quick hug before saying goodbye" to which she told me that she's not really a person who enjoys body contact, not even with a partner. And that was the moment I realized I had no future with her as her lover because I'm a really cuddly person so now we're friends.
For me this was one of the best episodes of all time. I needed this video. Loving yourself like shrek is one tough cookie to crack and believing that someone can love you for being just the way you are is even tougher. Thank you guys for doing this one.
'Compassion' (suffering with) being the root of compatibility is so key to recovering the most edifying approach to finding your partner en route to marriage. Find the one with whom you will be able to suffer well -- mutually leaning on one another for support through the strife and turbulence of it all.