Cool video. I think the 45 has just a little more rise. I shoot both calibers through the glock platform and I think the 45 feels better. Shooting them back to back the 9mm has noticeably less power going into my hands but the way it feels I prefer the 45. It's a slower straighter back recoil. The 9mm recoil is just weird and un natural in my option. What do you think
I havent shot two different calibers through the same platform, so its hard to say. But from what i have done, i like the 9mm better. Less kick gives me more control.
Ok you sound like someone who can help. I have a 45 for intruders but i am looking for a good pistol for CCW. Since i already have a cannon, i want to get something that is lightweight and can fire rapidly while staying on target, because at the end of the day, the biggest, strongest bullet wont do shit if you don’t land it. So i was thinking 380, but people online are starting to convince me its not powerful enough. So now I’m leaning towards a 9mm, but seeing as how the recoil is similar to a 45, theres almost no point considering I already have a 45. So now I’m back to the 380 lmfao i cant decide. Whats your opinion? I was thinking the bersa thunder 380, you think thats a good choice?
@@Goose21995 Hello. You ask a good question and it is something that comes up in my classes of new shooters all the time. As has been noted, given the operating system differences between 9mm and some .380 pistols, not to mention differences in their size, you will very often find no recoil advantage to going with the .380 over the 9mm. Additionally, .380 ammo for practice is usually quite a bit more expensive than 9mm ammo, despite being less powerful. But the biggest difference is to be found in how the ammo performs in human tissue. .380 ACP hollow points tend to be divided into two categories, those that expand prematurely and don't penetrate deep enough, and those that penetrate but do not expand. So very few do both well (Speer Gold Dot is one exception in my experience) that some people advise simply carrying full metal jacket ammunition, which may well over-penetrate. This may or may not be a problem, but .380 FMJ ammo's track record in actual shootings is not impressive. In other words, if you choose a .380 you will have to be very careful about which ammo you put in it. None of these issues is a problem with any good 9mm jacketed hollow point from a major manufacturer. Almost all have been designed with the FBI testing protocol in mind, which is to provide 12-18 inches of penetration in tissue, with a bullet that expands to at least 1.5 times its original diameter, and is not unduly troubled by intermediate barriers. You can get this performance easily from Federal, Speer, Winchester, and even Remington, in ammo you can often buy at your local big box store. Practice ammo is cheap and for now, plentiful. All you really need to do is pick carry ammo from one of the major manufacturers that supplies rounds to law enforcement, and you are set. Leave the over-hyped and exotically-named ammo from the small companies on the store shelf and you will be fine. You can defend yourself adequately with either round, but unless you really need a tiny pistol, in my opinion, it is hard to find an advantage these days to using a .380 ACP pistol over a compact 9mm handgun. I hope that is helpful.
Thanks for your video. I once owned a 357 snub-nose revolver and a 45 Colt snub nose revolver that produced too much recoil for my taste. I now shoot with a 6-inch 357 magnum that handles recoil very well. I also shoot a 45 HK USP with 6-inch barrel, a 9mm HK USP with a 4-inch barrel, and a 380 acp with a 4-inch barrel. I routinely shoot 230 grain 45 ammo, 147 grain 9mm ammo, and 95 grain 380 ammo. My 380 has the least recoil and my 45 has the most. However, all three handle recoil very well.
Both calibers actually recoil more or less the same. At least with standard loads. With standard loads, the muzzle energies are very similar. Both calibers have moderate and gentle recoil. Only big difference I noticed is that 9mm produces a snap, .45 produces a push. Just use a proper grip and stance and most of us will have zero issues shooting either caliber.
Recoil has nothing to do with bullet energy, it’s based on bullet momentum. 9mm produces more energy than .45 ACP, 9mm usually has around 330-420 ft/lbs of energy depending on the bullet weight and powder load, .45 ACP has around 310 ft/lbs of energy with a 230 grain projectile. However, the .45 ACP produces 1.5-2x as much momentum, which means more recoil. The 9mm has a faster recoil impulse which can make it feel much snappier.
@@SG-ds8pr I used to believe 9mm has "less recoil" than .45, but my first time ever firing a 9mm pistol changed my mind. First 9mm pistol I ever shot was a friend's Ruger P89. As we're driving to the range, I was thinking to myself "Since 9mm has less recoil than .45, I should be able to shoot it better. Right?" It actually went the other way around. I was scoring tight groups with my Colt Government 1911 .45 as usual, whereas my groups with the 9mm P89 were kind of all over the target. The grip was too bulky for me. I still didn't feel a reduction in recoil shooting 9mm. Only real difference I noticed was the snap of the 9mm vs the push of the .45 My friend's girlfriend also participated that day. She could barely handle the P89 due to the bulky grip, couldn't handle my friend's Glock 29 10mm either cause of the recoil. My .45 1911 was the only gun she actually enjoyed shooting that day. Muzzle energy definitely plays a part in affecting recoil. Like, I myself have also shot full power 12 Gauge birdshot shells and reduced recoil 00 buckshot shells, and the reduced recoil 00 buck kicked much softer than any of the full power shells even the ones loaded with birdshot.
@@johnnypranin5874 Your anecdotal experience of that one time you shot a 9mm doesn't mean much. Recoil impulse of calibers have been measured and .45 ACP has always shown to have heavier recoil impulse than 9mm, 9mm just has a faster recoil impulse. If you're used to .45 ACP, 9mm will feel harder to control during the impulse, if you're used to shooting a 9mm then a .45 will be a lot harder to get back onto target. Also a P89 is a horrible example as it's always been known for having a horrible recoil, try again with a CZ-75 or a P226 if you want something you can accurately compare to a 1911. I'm not sure why you're including a Glock 29 in the comparison considering the 10mm is significantly more powerful than both 9mm and .45 ACP and the Glock 29 is a small frame polymer pistol, it's obviously going to recoil extremely hard. Bullet energy has nothing to do with recoil. Bullet velocity and chamber pressure can affect snappiness but the momentum of the gun recoiling will always be roughly equal to the momentum of the projectile and hot gasses leaving the barrel. For example with a .308, a 125 grain bullet will have more energy and less recoil than a 180 grain bullet, but the 180 grain bullet will have higher momentum.
@@SG-ds8pr I only mentioned the Glock 29 because that day my instructor friend brought it along with his Ruger P89. He, his girlfriend and myself shot mainly his P89 and my 1911, but we also shot the G29 a few times. The P89 didn't have horrible recoil by the way. It felt nice and butter smooth. I didn't really warm up to it cause it's too bulky for me. Energy does affect recoil. Like, I once shot Underwood 250 grain FMJFN .45 Long Colt loads out of one of my 7.5 inch barreled Colt Peacemakers. These kicked quite hard which came as a surprise to me. The muzzle velocity was approx. 960 fps, so slightly faster than your typical .45 ACP. I looked up the muzzle energy of these loads later on. The muzzle energy was 512 ft lbs. Comparable to your average .357 magnum. My palm was pretty sore afterwards even though I had only shot 50 rounds. I had shot a handgun load that's 130-160 ft lbs of energy more powerful than what I'm used to shooting. Took my hand up to 5 days to fully recover.
@@johnnypranin5874 That wasn't the energy you were feeling, the .45 LC just had more momentum. Momentum is equal to mass multiplied by velocity, the .45 LC was 20 grains heavier and ~130 fps faster so it would obviously have greater momentum. Energy is equal to half of mass multiplied by velocity squared. Energy is simply a measure of potential entropy, whereas momentum is the measure of inertial force in a moving object. This isn't something that's up for debate, it's a basic scientific fact described by Newtons fundamental laws of motion. Every action of force has an equal and opposite reaction, which means the same force (or momentum) that was imparted to the bullet by the burning powder will also be imparted to the firearm in the opposite direction of the bullet's flight trajectory. Energy has no impact on recoil because energy does not directly relate to force, energy is just a measure of entropy (aka disorder or chaos). You gave an example of a case where one bullet obviously had more momentum than the other and you're trying to claim that energy is the culprit. I gave you a much better example with .308 where lower weight projectiles will have more energy and less recoil than higher weight projectiles which will have less energy and more recoil due to having more momentum. Another example would be 9mm vs 5.7x28, a 40 grain 5.7 bullet at 2400 fps has 500 ft/lbs of energy compared to 400 ft/lbs of energy in a 124 grain 9mm at 1250 fps, but the 5.7 has a little more than half the recoil impulse that the 9mm will have given the fact that the 9mm has significantly higher momentum per the equations I listed above.
The sr1911 was the first handgun I shot. Years later even though I didn't like how it rattled it still was by far the most comfortable pistol I've shot
Sorry the shooter here isn't really holding down either of them well. More energy = more recoil the problem is there are loads where these two overlap. The advantage of the 9mm is capacity and ammo price. The advantage in the .45acp is on dynamic targets with modern jhp's it still far outperforms the 9mm in penetration consistency.
From everything I can find in my own research, 9mm and 45 work about the same when you hit the target. I would say 45 is probably better at self defense ranges due to lower velocity, decrease the likelihood of deflections from a high velocity round. The same effect can be achieved with .380 and from what I've been able to determine from research online (I can't do my own reliable testing due to lack of targets that aren't bottles, paper, or metal) .380 has pretty fuckin impressive expansion compared to 9mm or 45 acp. 45 is less likely to suffer deflection overall due to its mass though, and the effective range of both calibers is a bit further than what you might expect someone to hit with a handgun. I would argue than 45 is better if there is a large amount of concealment or light cover like shrubbery, and it's probably better for taking game too. For me I carry 9mm more because the hammer of my 45 pokes me when I sit down, and because my 9mm has better sights.
@@bobbyraejohnson Yes, the slide sits lower, and that lower bore axis will result in less perceived recoil. That is why the comparison should be done with the same type of handgun, both chambered in different calibers.
I would think if it snaps it would raise the muzzle more and your shot will run higher. I wonder if anyone has mounted the two and measured the changes in recoil and muzzle rise? It might be definitive for a fact instead of perceptions. Of course there’d have to be some flex to simulate the human anatomy.
I felt that the .45 was a slower push to me in a 3-31/2” barrel and a longer 5” barrel. Now .45 in a derringer jars your hand. .40 in snappier with more muzzle flip Where 9mm isn’t as bad even in my 3 1/2” barrel.
Interesting to note, a read a description online that described the recoil of 45 as more of a slow, rolling push into the hand as opposed to 9mm producing a short snappy punch. I found this particular comparison especially useful as my own 45 and 9mm are cheaper versions of what is shown here. Though my personal 9mm has significantly lower weight due to the polymer frame and lack of features. It looks like a toy version of a high power more than a cz75, but that is the base regardless. I also find that the velocity of 9mm causes more noise, at least, it hurts my ears a lot more without hearing protection, but it seems to me like the felt recoil on 9mm and 45 are really close unless you have a heftier 9mm like a full size glock or something.
Not really both average 3 shots per stopped badguy. Both are considered to be moderate recoil cartridges, and the 9mm luger was produced in 1901, and the .45acp was produced in 1904 making the 9mm the older cartridge by 3 years. At two of most powerful loads in modern version of both cartridges the .45acp +p makes around 550ft/lbs of energy, and the 9mm 115gr +p+ makes 501ft/lbs of energy. The 9mm is about 250fps faster and both are capable of accuracy and lethality generally farther than anyone can fire a pistol effectively.
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Proper grip and recoil control you can handle either caliber with ease.
Nice comparison. Thanks for uploading.
Cool video. I think the 45 has just a little more rise. I shoot both calibers through the glock platform and I think the 45 feels better. Shooting them back to back the 9mm has noticeably less power going into my hands but the way it feels I prefer the 45. It's a slower straighter back recoil. The 9mm recoil is just weird and un natural in my option. What do you think
I havent shot two different calibers through the same platform, so its hard to say. But from what i have done, i like the 9mm better. Less kick gives me more control.
Ok you sound like someone who can help. I have a 45 for intruders but i am looking for a good pistol for CCW. Since i already have a cannon, i want to get something that is lightweight and can fire rapidly while staying on target, because at the end of the day, the biggest, strongest bullet wont do shit if you don’t land it. So i was thinking 380, but people online are starting to convince me its not powerful enough. So now I’m leaning towards a 9mm, but seeing as how the recoil is similar to a 45, theres almost no point considering I already have a 45. So now I’m back to the 380 lmfao i cant decide. Whats your opinion? I was thinking the bersa thunder 380, you think thats a good choice?
@@Goose21995 Hello. You ask a good question and it is something that comes up in my classes of new shooters all the time. As has been noted, given the operating system differences between 9mm and some .380 pistols, not to mention differences in their size, you will very often find no recoil advantage to going with the .380 over the 9mm. Additionally, .380 ammo for practice is usually quite a bit more expensive than 9mm ammo, despite being less powerful.
But the biggest difference is to be found in how the ammo performs in human tissue. .380 ACP hollow points tend to be divided into two categories, those that expand prematurely and don't penetrate deep enough, and those that penetrate but do not expand. So very few do both well (Speer Gold Dot is one exception in my experience) that some people advise simply carrying full metal jacket ammunition, which may well over-penetrate. This may or may not be a problem, but .380 FMJ ammo's track record in actual shootings is not impressive. In other words, if you choose a .380 you will have to be very careful about which ammo you put in it.
None of these issues is a problem with any good 9mm jacketed hollow point from a major manufacturer. Almost all have been designed with the FBI testing protocol in mind, which is to provide 12-18 inches of penetration in tissue, with a bullet that expands to at least 1.5 times its original diameter, and is not unduly troubled by intermediate barriers. You can get this performance easily from Federal, Speer, Winchester, and even Remington, in ammo you can often buy at your local big box store. Practice ammo is cheap and for now, plentiful. All you really need to do is pick carry ammo from one of the major manufacturers that supplies rounds to law enforcement, and you are set. Leave the over-hyped and exotically-named ammo from the small companies on the store shelf and you will be fine.
You can defend yourself adequately with either round, but unless you really need a tiny pistol, in my opinion, it is hard to find an advantage these days to using a .380 ACP pistol over a compact 9mm handgun. I hope that is helpful.
Very helpful, Tom!
I fairly agree💯💯💯
Thanks for your video.
I once owned a 357 snub-nose revolver and a 45 Colt snub nose revolver that produced too much recoil for my taste. I now shoot with a 6-inch 357 magnum that handles recoil very well.
I also shoot a 45 HK USP with 6-inch barrel, a 9mm HK USP with a 4-inch barrel, and a 380 acp with a 4-inch barrel. I routinely shoot 230 grain 45 ammo, 147 grain 9mm ammo, and 95 grain 380 ammo.
My 380 has the least recoil and my 45 has the most. However, all three handle recoil very well.
Both calibers actually recoil more or less the same. At least with standard loads. With standard loads, the muzzle energies are very similar.
Both calibers have moderate and gentle recoil. Only big difference I noticed is that 9mm produces a snap, .45 produces a push.
Just use a proper grip and stance and most of us will have zero issues shooting either caliber.
Recoil has nothing to do with bullet energy, it’s based on bullet momentum. 9mm produces more energy than .45 ACP, 9mm usually has around 330-420 ft/lbs of energy depending on the bullet weight and powder load, .45 ACP has around 310 ft/lbs of energy with a 230 grain projectile. However, the .45 ACP produces 1.5-2x as much momentum, which means more recoil. The 9mm has a faster recoil impulse which can make it feel much snappier.
@@SG-ds8pr I used to believe 9mm has "less recoil" than .45, but my first time ever firing a 9mm pistol changed my mind. First 9mm pistol I ever shot was a friend's Ruger P89. As we're driving to the range, I was thinking to myself "Since 9mm has less recoil than .45, I should be able to shoot it better. Right?"
It actually went the other way around. I was scoring tight groups with my Colt Government 1911 .45 as usual, whereas my groups with the 9mm P89 were kind of all over the target. The grip was too bulky for me. I still didn't feel a reduction in recoil shooting 9mm. Only real difference I noticed was the snap of the 9mm vs the push of the .45
My friend's girlfriend also participated that day. She could barely handle the P89 due to the bulky grip, couldn't handle my friend's Glock 29 10mm either cause of the recoil. My .45 1911 was the only gun she actually enjoyed shooting that day.
Muzzle energy definitely plays a part in affecting recoil. Like, I myself have also shot full power 12 Gauge birdshot shells and reduced recoil 00 buckshot shells, and the reduced recoil 00 buck kicked much softer than any of the full power shells even the ones loaded with birdshot.
@@johnnypranin5874 Your anecdotal experience of that one time you shot a 9mm doesn't mean much. Recoil impulse of calibers have been measured and .45 ACP has always shown to have heavier recoil impulse than 9mm, 9mm just has a faster recoil impulse. If you're used to .45 ACP, 9mm will feel harder to control during the impulse, if you're used to shooting a 9mm then a .45 will be a lot harder to get back onto target. Also a P89 is a horrible example as it's always been known for having a horrible recoil, try again with a CZ-75 or a P226 if you want something you can accurately compare to a 1911. I'm not sure why you're including a Glock 29 in the comparison considering the 10mm is significantly more powerful than both 9mm and .45 ACP and the Glock 29 is a small frame polymer pistol, it's obviously going to recoil extremely hard.
Bullet energy has nothing to do with recoil. Bullet velocity and chamber pressure can affect snappiness but the momentum of the gun recoiling will always be roughly equal to the momentum of the projectile and hot gasses leaving the barrel. For example with a .308, a 125 grain bullet will have more energy and less recoil than a 180 grain bullet, but the 180 grain bullet will have higher momentum.
@@SG-ds8pr I only mentioned the Glock 29 because that day my instructor friend brought it along with his Ruger P89. He, his girlfriend and myself shot mainly his P89 and my 1911, but we also shot the G29 a few times.
The P89 didn't have horrible recoil by the way. It felt nice and butter smooth. I didn't really warm up to it cause it's too bulky for me.
Energy does affect recoil. Like, I once shot Underwood 250 grain FMJFN .45 Long Colt loads out of one of my 7.5 inch barreled Colt Peacemakers. These kicked quite hard which came as a surprise to me. The muzzle velocity was approx. 960 fps, so slightly faster than your typical .45 ACP. I looked up the muzzle energy of these loads later on. The muzzle energy was 512 ft lbs. Comparable to your average .357 magnum. My palm was pretty sore afterwards even though I had only shot 50 rounds. I had shot a handgun load that's 130-160 ft lbs of energy more powerful than what I'm used to shooting. Took my hand up to 5 days to fully recover.
@@johnnypranin5874 That wasn't the energy you were feeling, the .45 LC just had more momentum. Momentum is equal to mass multiplied by velocity, the .45 LC was 20 grains heavier and ~130 fps faster so it would obviously have greater momentum. Energy is equal to half of mass multiplied by velocity squared. Energy is simply a measure of potential entropy, whereas momentum is the measure of inertial force in a moving object.
This isn't something that's up for debate, it's a basic scientific fact described by Newtons fundamental laws of motion. Every action of force has an equal and opposite reaction, which means the same force (or momentum) that was imparted to the bullet by the burning powder will also be imparted to the firearm in the opposite direction of the bullet's flight trajectory. Energy has no impact on recoil because energy does not directly relate to force, energy is just a measure of entropy (aka disorder or chaos).
You gave an example of a case where one bullet obviously had more momentum than the other and you're trying to claim that energy is the culprit. I gave you a much better example with .308 where lower weight projectiles will have more energy and less recoil than higher weight projectiles which will have less energy and more recoil due to having more momentum. Another example would be 9mm vs 5.7x28, a 40 grain 5.7 bullet at 2400 fps has 500 ft/lbs of energy compared to 400 ft/lbs of energy in a 124 grain 9mm at 1250 fps, but the 5.7 has a little more than half the recoil impulse that the 9mm will have given the fact that the 9mm has significantly higher momentum per the equations I listed above.
.45 Is the top dog!
10mm would like a word.
Thanks for sharing. I do know I can shoot about 100 .45 ACP before my hand starts to feel fatigue. With the 9mm, it’s up to 150.
The sr1911 was the first handgun I shot. Years later even though I didn't like how it rattled it still was by far the most comfortable pistol I've shot
@Brian H unfortunately I havent shot a cz75 yet. But that $1300 + cz shadow looks so fucking awesome
.45 out of a HK USP is pure gold. Very smooth.
I’ll take 1911 45 cap over any other round or handgun! I carry a Glock 19 and 23 because they have more pew pew!
Sorry the shooter here isn't really holding down either of them well. More energy = more recoil the problem is there are loads where these two overlap. The advantage of the 9mm is capacity and ammo price. The advantage in the .45acp is on dynamic targets with modern jhp's it still far outperforms the 9mm in penetration consistency.
Either way if he holding both that way you can still see differences in recoil
From everything I can find in my own research, 9mm and 45 work about the same when you hit the target. I would say 45 is probably better at self defense ranges due to lower velocity, decrease the likelihood of deflections from a high velocity round.
The same effect can be achieved with .380 and from what I've been able to determine from research online (I can't do my own reliable testing due to lack of targets that aren't bottles, paper, or metal)
.380 has pretty fuckin impressive expansion compared to 9mm or 45 acp.
45 is less likely to suffer deflection overall due to its mass though, and the effective range of both calibers is a bit further than what you might expect someone to hit with a handgun.
I would argue than 45 is better if there is a large amount of concealment or light cover like shrubbery, and it's probably better for taking game too.
For me I carry 9mm more because the hammer of my 45 pokes me when I sit down, and because my 9mm has better sights.
Have both,love both.
Hard to tell, because you are using 2 different types of handgun.
Ehhh the cz 75 was based on the 1911 but the slide sits lower though.
@@bobbyraejohnson Yes, the slide sits lower, and that lower bore axis will result in less perceived recoil. That is why the comparison should be done with the same type of handgun, both chambered in different calibers.
I shoot a lot of .45 1911 and a shadow 2, there is no comparison. Maybe a 75 compact
In my experience oh, I feel a 9 mm has more of a jerking feeling when it comes to recoil vs. 45 feels more like a push. Does that make sense?
Yup, recoil wasn’t that bad after shooting a 9mm, it just feel like a push whereas the 9 was kinda snappy
I would think if it snaps it would raise the muzzle more and your shot will run higher. I wonder if anyone has mounted the two and measured the changes in recoil and muzzle rise? It might be definitive for a fact instead of perceptions. Of course there’d have to be some flex to simulate the human anatomy.
I felt that the .45 was a slower push to me in a 3-31/2” barrel and a longer 5” barrel. Now .45 in a derringer jars your hand.
.40 in snappier with more muzzle flip
Where 9mm isn’t as bad even in my 3 1/2” barrel.
IDK why all my 9mm pistols seem so snappy. I got rid of the smallest (kimber micro 9) but my 43x is almost as bad. any ideas?
Great video, thank you
What gr. of ammo for each ?
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Interesting to note, a read a description online that described the recoil of 45 as more of a slow, rolling push into the hand as opposed to 9mm producing a short snappy punch.
I found this particular comparison especially useful as my own 45 and 9mm are cheaper versions of what is shown here.
Though my personal 9mm has significantly lower weight due to the polymer frame and lack of features. It looks like a toy version of a high power more than a cz75, but that is the base regardless.
I also find that the velocity of 9mm causes more noise, at least, it hurts my ears a lot more without hearing protection, but it seems to me like the felt recoil on 9mm and 45 are really close unless you have a heftier 9mm like a full size glock or something.
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Power vs. Speed
Big vs. Small
Short range vs. Semi medium range
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Old vs. New
Not really both average 3 shots per stopped badguy. Both are considered to be moderate recoil cartridges, and the 9mm luger was produced in 1901, and the .45acp was produced in 1904 making the 9mm the older cartridge by 3 years. At two of most powerful loads in modern version of both cartridges the .45acp +p makes around 550ft/lbs of energy, and the 9mm 115gr +p+ makes 501ft/lbs of energy. The 9mm is about 250fps faster and both are capable of accuracy and lethality generally farther than anyone can fire a pistol effectively.
I see almost no difference.
9mm overall wins in 2022. just the way it goes. nothing wrong with 45 either.
You just have bad recoil control
Poor comparison.