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It's a good day when I see Ninjon has an upload!
He doesn't post near enough for me.
@@ironbomb6753 he doesn’t post for you, no need to be negative!
Hello, you guys are one of the things that inspire me to play warhammer, Thanks a lot!
Not negative man, a little more frequent vids would be excellent.
@@ironbomb6753 it’s understandable to want that, but also remember the effort that goes into these videos
Jon, when you pushed that model out a part of my soul died.
Same. I know a guy who still twists and pushes all his models off the sprue. It's barbaric.
I really grimaced when I saw that. Brutal.
Good, the closer you can get to being undead, the better.
Same! 😮
Those zombies weren’t as bad as the Deathrattle. I snapped like 4 femurs when snipping them off the sprue. I ended up figuring out that it requires a specific order to free them from their prison of sprues to avoid the sudden change in tension breaking legs like a Vegas crime boss.
Facts, this happened to me too.
Same. But with B1’s in Legion.
Yeah I just broke the cane on the rat prince guy. So gutted.
Any part that looks fragile I begin by spru pruning! Basically cutting the spru into sections that tension will no longer exist
@@minishaw280 this is exactly what I should have done !
dang bro that's speedy
Speeeed
@@chennysstudios8006 POWAH!
Unfortunately he didn’t try the rotary tool!?!?!
The only thing of any value I can add is when you're clipping off the sprue, do all the same facing cuts in one go for the entire sprue, rotate, do the next side, till they're all done. Saves the Hassle of repeated rotation and wiggling the Clippers.
I did a sprue spring cleaning of old woody archers and this saved me loads of time
The effort and time saved with this technique is confirmed.
I would love to see you do a "The Drowned" theme. Every zombie painted and based so as to look as if it is a fish belly pale and green monster from the sea. Undead of course. Drape the seaweed and slap some barnacles and ghostworms on them. Glorious!
I'm gonna have to nick this for my next undead. Who doesn't love ghost pirates?
Water zombies in the walking dead always look so nasty you can almost smell them
I’m going to be getting some figures exactly like this pretty soon, in Darkest Dungeon: The Board Game.
Drowned would look amazing
I found some tiny cockle shells from the beach today to put on a maritime themed mini. or to use as miniature mermaid bras.
When using hobby knives to remove mold lines I use the back of the blade and it works great.
Works excellent! So simple and so good. 👍
This is my go-to method too.
Same here!
That sprue glue yoo what the hell thats amazing
Paint scheme idea: They came from a village burned down so they all have ashy skin tones with some reds and oranges underneath, like they’re still smoldering?
Love your videos!
Regarding mold line removers: I sprung for a tool called a 'seam scraper' a few years ago. It has a handle like one for disposable hobby blades but the 'blade' is a big, chunky, three-sided bar that comes to a point. The sides of the point are sharp enough to scrape mold lines off but not to gouge holes accidentally. Because it tapers, you can quickly scrape lines and excess glue/cement on large pieces with the larger end of the blade and then get in to the details with the tip. I feel like I've gotten faster using it simply because I've eliminated any risk of cutting into the plastic too much like with a knife.
omg I think you may have just saved my life. I've been searching and searching for the best tool to deal with mold lines and haven't had much luck so far, but this actually looks like exactly what I've been wanting!
The Squadron Tools seam scraper has been my go-to for a few years now.
@@abrannan the Squadron seam scraper and the Monument Hobbies seam scraper are very similar in appearance (I have the Monument hobbies one.)
@@elrondorio except in profile. Thje monument hobbies one comes to a point from the side, while the Squadron one has a squared off end.
Has anyone mentioned the trick where you scrape your mold lines and then wipe over them with extra thin cement? Saves having to sand them and gives a nice smooth result. Also, if you have a delicate or hard to clean mold line (ribbed tubing anyone?) you can just wipe extra thin cement on 'em and smooth it down that way. Love the stuff
The chair spin in the intro gets me every time. :D
Same here.. the look on his face is priceless!
Yeah, it's the best
This has quickly become an S-tier mini-painting channel. Keep em coming Jon.
Paint job idea: Aquatic theme. A ship went down, everyone drowned. The plant looking parts sticking out could be painted like coral. Bases could be a beach, some just sand and some with water. Cut the legs off of some guys so they look like they are walking out from underwater.
Burned zombies, ashen grey with embers still glowing on and in the zombies.
Cool theme idea, especially if it's a fiery magic that reanimated... since I'm pretty sure most zombie canon has them shambly-walkers almost as allergic to fire as they are to blunt weapons, holy magic, decapitation, or double-taps.
Zombie theme: under the sea zombies. Algae, coral and maybe fishes on the bases, clothes with muted colors to emulate wet fabric, maybe some algae over the body
Aye this is cool, like the zombie pirates from fantasty or Pirates of the Carribean
For removing print lines i always use the backside of my hobby knife for me its just perfekt u get sharp edges and u get in all the nooks and crannies also its the cheapest option because nearly everyone has a hobby knife.
Definitely seems the best option for most. Also useful because you can spin it around to the sharp side to cut off the larger nubs and then scrape the rest with the back. Just watch out if your blades have a bit on the back where they've been broken off their own sprue. That can make some nasty scratches.
The wash and cure station is a blessing. Got mine with the mono for next to nothing. Don't get the people saying "oh you don't need it" "it's a luxury item". Yes it is, so is your damn 3d printer, dude. I'm pretty happy about the few extra bucks I spent with the time it has saved me. Or you know, you could make a DIY solution for half the price and keep wasting your time.
Another sanding option I found recently is baby finger nail files. They're tiny and very fine grit so they perfect for getting into small areas.
Thats sounds really good and i give it a try. Thx!
that sprue glue looks amazing and exactly what I've been looking for!
As an aside from all of this, thank you so much for having links to buy stuff in Australia. A lot of creators don't and it's very much appreciated. Cheers, Jon. Have a tendy.
DUDE! 80'ies fluo style zombies are the best!
For theme i suggest some otherworldly alien entity was the cause to rise from their graves, like something inside a meteor infected the ground and now we have zombies with decayed flesh, but with vibrant glowing colours showing underneath the skin and on their eyes. I don't know something like that
Good idea
@@lacreatura6132 thanks
I started making my own sanding sticks with high grit sandpaper, double sided tape (the foam type ones) and a piece of cardboard, laying a few lines of tape down on some thin card and placing the sandpaper on top I can cut out multiple at a time with an old knife.
Making my own I can adjust the size/width and make them single sided to fit in smaller gaps.
Ninjon assembling 120 zombies, “All I know is pain.” The TH-cam algorithm: “This is good.”
Multiple small takeaway style boxes all set out and the clip whole sprue at a time spreading the models into individual tubs. Repeat process with all your sprues to save going back to them and then just build models one pose at a time from each tub. Speedy and organised👍
I painted my zombies in an almost monochrome scheme, and they look great! Pale green skin, pale grey clothes, ivory bones with redish-purplish wounds. It makes the exposed flash parts really pop!
You missed a few things.
With the clippers, nail clippers are actually extremely useful, especially when you first start out. For sanding, the disposable nail files are great at it as an option and they're dirt cheap.
Technically, you also have the "wet method" for removing mold lines, using some of the thin plastic glue via a brush and careful application.
One universal tool that I always have at my desk is the humble toothpick/cocktail stick. Mix that sprue goo better and sculpt it, pull off some excess glue from the model, maneuvre smaller bits into place when you've butterfingered them time and again, the list is self-expanding and goes on for a while! Doesn't end at building models either, whenever you're thinking to yourself "hmm, what could I use for this instead of a sculpting tool or a brush handle or my hands?" the answer is almost always a toothpick!
Cool theme would be if these people a case of the zombies when they were celebrating carnaval or like a parade in their town or city. So they all have really colorfull and fancy but faded clothes in a theme of the celebration
Ok, I really like this process. Sometimes, assembly can be daunting when you are facing a lot of models. I appreciate that you didn't cut corners or sacrifice quality over speed.
Well, I have to suggest it now : "Disco dancefloor" themed zombies.
I want a zombie with a disco ball on it's head
i love the building honestly, it takes me about an hour to do each model, i listen to warhammer audiobooks whilst doing it and it's super relaxing, almost therapeutic.
16:15 the first thing that come to my mind after hearing "super dead and super cool" it's the immage of a lot of people passed out after a realy big party.
im not suggesting that you paint 120 party zombi, but still, that could be pretty cool!
I Dig It. After Math of a Zombie High School Rager, maybe from the 80's or 90's.
I have only recently come back to the hobby, and I haven't built any new models from sprue yet, but as a teen, I just used my thumbs to remove elements from the sprue, and if there were bits of the sprue left, I either removed them by hand if possible, or just painted them as if they were a part of the model.
Now that I think of it, Chaos with all the spiky bits would have been the best choice for my "choice".
Jon, love the videos. Love the starting characters you do. And absolutely loved the outtakes at the end this time. Please keep this up. This sets you apart from the others. Love the channel.
Re: cleaning the models. I use a nail clipper or a hobby knife to trim a bug chunk of the excess plastic first THEN sand. The combo usually makes quick work of model
For removing mold lines: Back side of the hobby knife. As good as the best dedicated tool, can easily switch back and forth between blade and dull, and can get into every small crevice.
For gluing: Tamiya Quick Setting. Don't sleep on this, it's amazing. It works way faster than the normal green bottle, and it's meant to be used on parts that are dry fit. Hold the two parts together (dry), tap the joint with cement, and the capillary action draws it where it needs to go. Almost instant bond. It's also as good as sprue goo at pushing up through the seams for seam removal.
The best theme for the zombies would have to be "Smokey BBQ and Cheese Curds".
Godhand nippers are increadible and I can honestly say they changed my hobby. They are so smooth and efficient. They leave virtually no spru that needs to be cut off. They are also great for making cuts for conversions. If I lost all of my tools today, another pair of GH nippers would be one of my first purchases.
Will definitely try rhis "sprew goo" thing. It sounds so promising, thanks for that. 😀
Paint idea for a zombie horde? Prime different packs in blue, green, red and violet. Airbrush zenital highlights with different pastel colors and just wash em with oils.
Pastel? Perky Goff zombonies?
As for theme: I was thinking about make my whole vampire army Game of thrones style. So the vampires are whitewalkers and the zombies are well zombies with blue eyes? haha. But was gonna but some frosty bits on em and ice weopons.
Thought about that too! Seems fun!
I love building minis, I actually like when it takes a long time.
Personally I prefer listening to the hit mini painting podcast "Turrped under Purrstik" when I build models.
Hmm that sounds like this other hit podcast I listen to called Yapp una yastic.
How you tried a ceramic knife for clearing mould lines? Kit builders use them a lot especially in japan
Just started assembling my first minis in well over a decade, let's see how wrong I'm doing it and make this quicker
My favorite tool is a little diamond fine grit needle file, square cross section that tapers down to a chisel edge at the tip (the sides are isosceles triangles, I'm sure there's a name for it, but I can't find it to be more specific) for getting in those nooks and crannies and scrapping those mold lines out
Theme:
It was a dark and stormy night when they rose from the muddy ground, filling the streets...
I'd love to find out if there is a way to get an effective rain effect, and old London style bases with a few still in a graveyard muddy from all that rain
By and large, I like this video Jon!
"I'm good at cutting people ... AND stuff."
The twist: He just sharpened the axe to a razor edge, and perfectly clips every part
More power to you. I just painted 70 space marines and two drop pods. I see the advantage of going fast, so you finish. There's rhythm, and you do what you do. I never know whether to soak with dark wash after priming white, then putting in the colors and highlighting; or to reverse that and after wash. I like to buff out the brightness. You could see which way is more efficient.
"They're not much different, they just cost quite a bit more."
Yup. Welcome to basically every hobby ever. Slap a fancy "related" name on a product and charge 20-80% more for it because it's "official."
For skin tones, I’d like to see different levels of rot; fresh, bloat, active decay and advanced decay. You could add some greenstuff blobs for bloat and thin greenstuff lines for maggots. The rotting skin could have a color range from pinky flesh tones all the way to purple-black. The decay could also appear more on their clothes with older zombies with dark stains. Freshly dead could have more dirt effects like they were pulled from the ground.
That Southern dirtbag character is just gold...
Hey Jon awesome vid as always (is that the way y'all say that stuff over there on that side of the pond? Y'all...blimey!). Your sproo-goo tip for that particular army was a good one but there are times when you need a filler or some putty for a bit more control. Over the years I have used just about everything...but now I always use just one product. Mr Hobby Dissolved Putty, the product liquid green stuff should have been. That and a tooth pick (cocktail stick?) gives you perfect control and when its dry a quick sand and no more gap. Great product well worth a try Mate.
The 65% of non-subscribers are clearly Daryl's drinking buddies.
cleaning, assembly, bit of kitbashing, green stuff, this is my faaaaaav part of the hobby!
"Thriller" themed zombies. Make the leader in red leather with 10k zippers
As a gunpla and model builder I can verify that this is basically the fastest way to assemble plastic. Single blade flat nippers are amazing. I love my GodHand but there are other equivalent nippers. Pro tip: You never need to go higher than 800-1000 grit sandpaper, your primer will fill in the scratches that small.
Jon- “you have to be very careful with these blades...”
Me- “to not slice off your finger tip...”
Jon- “you don’t want to cut your model.”
I see where your priorities are.
If I could show you my thumb right now, you’d understand Jon and I share the same priorities! Hahaha
Winter zombies with cool skin tones, snowy bases and icicles hanging from the miniatures. Contrasting red eyes would make a good focal point.
My tip when building 120 models in one go: Don't worry about mold lines xD
Best invention is the flexible sanding stick. I didn’t use for speed, but being able to bend it around rounded surfaces to not flatten any edges. Totally worth it
I'm no hobby war gamer bloke but i love your content. Very entertaining. I build scale models and your painting techniques have taught me a lot!
as a full time nerd i happen to own a Dentle kit for my LARP healer character, and i actually find that the little files and tols in the kit are fantastic for all sorts of miniature projects from tidying mold lines off to actually sculpting with green stuff.
I think a waterlogged theme could be cool, very swampy, like they just floated up from the bottom of a bog or swamp. So lots of greens, browns, and greys. Plus water effects and what not.
Holy moly, I love the plastic goo idea! I'll be trying that out!
Hobby Cheating Sprue goo
John, a blue zenithal prime before painting dead flesh will result in a very cool lifeless feeling flesh. The same principle works in reverse when we add reds into living flesh to simulate blood flowing, or magenta washes.
If you want to do this as quickly as possible, use McCrags blue spray then Wraith bone over top, quick and dirty rattle can zenithal light
When I put a box of minis together, I typically build as may similar models at the same time too. In Bolt Action I have tons of options in the box, so I write out what I’m going to have in each squad then clone each of them to speed up the building process. The only changes are the guns they carry.
My favourite batch build method is clip out all the heads, place them in a 1" square each, one after the other, on my mat. Then the bodies, place them in the squares underneath. Then arms/legs... so on and so forth till the models are all clipped and lined up in a grid. Then go across each row scraping, then build each model going down each column. Feels really logical and is super easy to get into a rhythm on. 10 heads, 10 bodies etc in a row means easy identification of mold lines etc.
Did a box of 40 zombies form mantic like this, got them built, painted, based and varnished in a single evening, ready for the following day's D&D where the party fought this horde.
Hey Ninjion! I have to say I’ve only been painting minis and been in this hobby for only a year but watching your videos as well as other great creators, has given me the skills and confidence to continue making myself better. As far as what other product I use when prepping my minis for painting. I like using Liquid Green Stuff, I find adding a this layer over my minis after putting them together adds a sealant as well as just enough girt for my paint or other materials to stick to. Also adding textures to clothes, armor, etc the more layers of Liquid Green Stuff I add. Give it a try, and see what you think. Don’t forget to slay the grey.
Theme: I love being able to see what is "powering" the zombies. Like a magic or ethereal force emanating from within. Sickly/bright green is a favorite
Something I use quite often is the spine of my regular hobby knife. Since our knives are machined at such a high rate and designed to be disposable, they have this nice semi-sharp 90° edge which does quick work to mold lines.
I've been painting Warhammer since 2011 and you by far have the best content. going deep into explaining everything really has elevated my painting knowledge. thanks.
I use the backside of my Hobby Knife blade to remove mold lines. works like a charm!
I was all in after the sprue goo solution! And yes sanding sticks are the best option to clean up the miniature.
The tool i use to clean models is just a hobby knife. Use the sharp edge to clean off the big bits the flip it over and use the straight dull edge to scrape of mould lines and small bits of flash. nice and fast and only requires one tool. Will only get out the sanding tools if there's a curved surface that wouldn't like a sharp edge dragged over it.
You can go fast even if you have different models in the box that you don’t want to mix-up. Get a load of small sandwich/freezer bags then do all your clipping at once, using the sandwich bags to separate the parts for each model so they don’t get mixed-up. Then go in and sand everything all at once. Then glue it all. You get faster at each task the longer you spend on it and there’s less time wasted thinking or switching tools.
Have to confess, I have gone through a ton of your videos to exclusively watch the first 2 minutes because I really enjoy your intros. Great content, but I really enjoy your humor
When I use my hobby knife to finish minis I cut the screw nibs off with blade and scrape mold lines with the back of it. Also with sanding sticks you have to deal with clogging up your sand paper.
I find running a brush of plastic cement over a filed area can quickly return it so smooth.
Gives a nice finish, but you do have to watch where the detail is so you don’t melt it.
As a fairly new modeler, I found this to be an excellent video with two very useful tips for me. Using a dulled Xacto blade to clean seams, and the sprue goo. Thank you very much.
Using the back edge of the razor blade/hobby knife to scrape the mold lines is super fast, won't gouge your model, and will help keep your blade sharp for longer.
Love the tips and have come to most of the same conclusions after my own experimenting. Using the back of my hobby knife to scrape in a pulling motion has proven (to me) to be the fastest and cleanest way to remove mold lines.
you have 35% of your viewers that are actually subbed? That has got to be the highest watch-sub ratio that I have ever seen. I don't think I would be complaining about that. The average is around 20%, so you are doing way better than most.
For the zombie scheme you should take some inspiration from the blue-gold zombies from the Magic Card Art, I think that would look pretty cool
Yasss the Eternals! seconded!!
On plastic models, I often just use the back edge of the hobby knife, that way you have a sharp edge for removing any bigger lumps and the duller back edge for the mold lines
The back of a sharp hobby knife can be used to scrape mould lines which gives you the benefit of having a sharp blade for any nubs without worrying about gauging your minis while cleaning mould lines. Added benefit of not dulling your knife as fast. Also with Tamiya thick cement, you can get the same plastic squeeze effect as sprue goo, though it requires you to be a bit practiced at how much to apply. Prue goo is still very useful for gap filling in case you need it.
Sprue Goo....you just blew my mind! Ahhhhhhh! The gaps that are left behind always drive me nuts and I would spend so much time filling it with green stuff! Vince and Jon, you guys are godsent.
I dont have 120 minis to assemble but maybe about 12-15 at a time. I follow the "Kanban" approach. I snip all the parts but place all the matching pieces in either a plastic container with dividers or zip lock (for future assembly).
I actually use plastic containers that came out of the wingspan board game. I think there is five and I use both the lid and the bottom to hold all the pieces from one model each and once I get them all sorted I just run down the line removing mold lines and then later glueing. My hobby desk is very cluttered so I need to keep things as organized as possible.
I've used the opposite side of a crafting knife ( the flat straight back opposite the blade) and it does well of removing mold lines without cutting into the model.
I tried the video description... did not worked. So here's my say about it: Being a tool head kind of guy, I love me some new tools any day of the week. But, i think that you failed to mention that there's some high end snippers that can do a great work. I know that i had those in my toolbox before hand, but they're precise, sharp and confortable to use. I must say that you really got me thinking about getting some tamiya's just to avoid sanding too much. Thank you and keep the good work :D
I also like to use the tamiya extra thin to kill mold lines that are in an enclosed gap, much easier than trying to fit a hobby knife or tool in there to just use the little brush and rub them away
13:52 I snickered here. If you have a way of organizing it, it is faster to spend your time cutting all the figures off the sprues, placing into piles, then glueing them all.
Figured that one out when we had newborn twins, and there was plenty of time to clip things out, but not a lot of time for smelly glues.
Flipping the hobby knife so you're using the back non-blade edge does pretty well for mould lines.
I've made sprue goo using shavings and sprinkling them on to the model, but having a bottle of it ready to rock is genius. I've always used a knife to clean models and I always end up with scrapes or divots so I'll definitely be giving some sanding sticks a whirl too.
Ideas for the Zombie Army:
- The Black Plague, more diseased vibe (Inspired by Kriza, The Rat Prince)
- Frostbringer (Ice theme)
- Bloodbath, everything covered by blood stains (Fresh kill vibe)
- Lost Souls (More ghostly effects)
- Legion of the Dammed
- Warpstone/Caos Radiation (like nuclear effects)
- Forest of the Dead (some have roots in their bodys)
- Drowned? (Vampire Coast, sa Suff etc)
I love assembling and kitbashing.
Hate mold line removing.