Plug and Play HDMI for the N64! | EON Super 64 Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2019
- If you've wanted clean HDMI video output from your Nintendo 64 but aren't very skilled at console modding, this review is for you.
EON Super 64 product page: www.eongaming.tech
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Solutions like these seem to produce good results, but they're always so expensive.
For the average enthusiast, the improvement compared to cheaper solutions is probably not justifiable.
$40? Great?
$60-80? Good
$150?!? No way.
I'll stick with Project64 and N64 to USB cable...
@@guyincognito7308 DO NOT SUPPORT EMULATORS!
@@JMGO1999EternalMajorKakoEscoby why not lol
JMGO
Why tho?
Your videos are always so informative with quality!
Everything you do and all the work you put into your videos is simply a god send!
Even his voice is perfect for this type of videos
For that price I think I would rather stick with playing it on my 13 inch crt tv.
I rather emulate it on pc, which is legal for games you own.
@@LeoInterVir Still its better to play original hardware on a tube tv.
@@LeoInterVir Do not Support Emulators!, Even if you have the games!
@@FlintG I Agree 100% with you!
@@JMGO1999EternalMajorKakoEscoby why not lol
Cool looking device but I am not certain, for me anyway, the results justify the price. I would not have expected that price level.
The funny thing is that you can completely skip it and use s-video or even RGB (if in Europe) to get at leas the same results if not better for like 1-3€ total cost.
Considering you can achieve the result for literally a fraction of the price...no. The results don't justify the price for anyone.
Was waiting for your take on this 😀😀
*Likes video*
Colin: "A PAL version isn't available at the time this video went live."
Me: ¬.¬
PAL gets no love... even though it's better
Great video and really good information, as always! I think I'll stick with my RetroTink even though I get a bit of noise through it.
If you use a average S-video cable with your Retrotink you will get basically the same image quality and noise level as the Eon anyhow.
It sounds like a good product, especially with no noticeable lag. However, I can't justify that price. I leave my old school consoles hooked up to my Sony Trinatron. Thanks for an awesome video!
Would love to see you review the RetroTINK 2x + S-video for the N64. I'm using a RetroTINK in my setup and it's working beautifully.
You make a good point about it being a lot of money for a single system option. It's up against things like the Retrotink 2x that gets almost identical results over S-video and can still do the smoothing if you so wish. However the Retrotink 2x also works with composite, component, rgb, pal and you can plug multiple systems in to it. It's one box for all your systems and is substantially cheaper than the Eon. The Eon is also a whopping 50% more expensive at current pricing. The Eon pricing brings it very close to to that of a Ultrahdmi kit or OSSC with RGB amp. So if you are like me and happy to do a bit of soldering then there is defiantly better available for similar money. On pure value and performance the EON is defiantly lagging the field.
To be honest I think this is the first review out of maybe five I've watched that even mentioned it working with Gamecube, which might be obvious to some but is a really cool note to mention about it for those who otherwise wouldn't think of it.
Been using the EON with the mClassic. Great results for the price imo vs the cost of the superior internal HDMI Board.
Maybe 49.99 would be fair 150 is a bit steep
It's most likely that price due to the demand of being able to play older consoles on your HDTV without any expensive upscaling kits and the time it took to design the hardware to work with the N64 and output a stable HD video signal without any lag. $150 is still a bit high though as you can buy a slightly older 720p TV with AV/S-Video and an N64 cable that supports S-Video which is what I use, but then again I'm not sure how much that would cost you. Still nothing wrong with a decent CRT which those are going a bit up in price as well either due to failure or because of demand from retro gamers.
Just had an ad for this pop up on my social media feed. I've had the original GameCube version for a while and had no idea they released an N64 version as well. Guess it's time to grab one.
$150 just for S-Video is asking a bit too much. For that price why not just get the UltraHDMI mod!
Nice, you created the first super 64 review mentioning NTSC and PAL versions of this product at all.
I am wondering if in 1 year eon is going to release an updated super64, like they did with the GCHD.
150$ for an S-Video to HDMI is waaaaaaaaaay too overpriced.
Hello, I love your videos!
Even when he supposedly talks too much? 😏😉😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for the video. I just noticed I ordered this thing for nothing since I'm here in Europe with my beautiful smoke grey PAL console. Maybe it works on my Gamecube.
I got the PAL version, because they released it! It's awesome! 🤩
It would have been interesting to compare it to a cheap S-video to hdmi converter for $30+- off Amazon.
Despite the high price on this thing, is it made in US? It is useful for portable mod for N64 as you don't have to stick to expensive specially designed LCD displays and can use a more modern LCD display for that purpose.
Personally I like the Retrotink 2x more than this. It does everything the Super 64 does, but it supports multiple video input options so you can use it with a wider variety of consoles. I use it with SNES, N64, PS2 and Gamecube.
Love the idea of this thing but for that price I just can't justify it, no matter how "convenient" it is.
There are others like it that cost much less. There's a different version that costs about a hundred dollars, and another that's about $120 (it plugs into both the analog and digital ports, using the analog merely for stability).
Personally myself, I never want to buy the component cables due to their price, and I have an S-video cable that makes it look really good on my HDTV. The component cables will probably go down in price over time if these things become super popular.
@@Bro-cx2jc You are thinking of the GameCube version, the N64 doesn't have a digital A/V port.
Just like most of the products reviewed on this channel lol
I just got mine in the mail today and noticed that cuts off a small portion of the game's intro. Its not a big deal but Im wondering if anyone else's does this with the super64? Is there a way to fix that?
Whoah, I was expecting around $50-60 for the thing. Yes, it's custom, but for that much money, I'll just buy me a portable hard drive and emulate. Still, what it does is impressive. Perhaps if I played my GameCube and N64 enough to justify?
so it improve the picture qiality form the gamecube too?
Sure but it was never intended to so i wouldnt take that risk. Honestly you can get better video out of your gamecube and for much cheaper with a Carby adapter, assuming you have a gamecube with the digital out port. This would be the best solution out there for an unmodified gamecube
does the EON Super 64 works with the M Classic?
Colin, given the plug works on the Gamecube's analog port, would it not also work on the Wii?
I didn’t test it, but I would think so. That said, the Wii has the option to use inexpensive component cables and those would produce slightly better results.
I thought the Wii had a different A/V connector? That said.. would it work on super Nintendo and the top loader NES? Same plug
@@adventureoflinkmk2 Maybe I'm thinking of the power brick connector being the same?
Wii and top loader NES do not use the Nintendo av multi out. Wii uses its own AV out and top loader is just RF through an RCA jack
@@ShankMods that's odd.. I thought the top loader NES used the same a/v like snes and n64 and gc
Edit: the original nes had the audio/video rca Jack's tho
S video as long as you have a good cable is a massive upgrade over composite. I like the concept of simply plug it in and enjoy however with all the other options out there getting an up scaled s video signal for $150 just feels insanely over priced.
I still have a CRT with a N64, PS1 and PS2.
Same bro! Mine is 13 inches so its not so heavy. I also have a ps1, ps2, dreamcast and genesis.
@@FlintG Nice, my CRT is 24 inch. S video, component and composite. It's a 2005 Sharp.
@@rap6439 As long as it works. I had a Plasma before and it was decent with SD gaming, but CRT is just like when I was younger. Is there any clone SNES console compatible with Everdrive?
How many many games are on console?
Eon Super 64 combined with mclassic. Works on N64 and GameCube and looks awesome. This is the way...
I would use the super 64 adapter on my gamecube since it's a revised model without the digital out connection...
I think there are AV cable extensions that could take advantage of the SNES Port... Maybe if it could be tried that way it'll make a difference!! 🤔🤔
Yes, modern TVs generally dropped S-Video a long time ago, but it's important to note that most wouldn't work acceptably well even if they had the connection because they don't properly handle 240p. This is still a problem for composite video and is much of the reason why devices like this or RetroTink 2X exist. Those $20 analog to HDMI scalers and those $30 Hyperkin/Pound/Xtreme cables all have the same issue with 240p where they deinterlace a non-interlaced image and ruin 60hz effects in the process.
On that note, I'm surprised to see such a focus on how it compares to UltraHDMI instead of the more-comparable RetroTink 2X.
I compared it to the UltraHDMI because that’s the closest competitor in terms of price.
@@ThisDoesNotCompute Yes, but perhaps that's even more reason to show the RetroTink 2X give comparable performance at a lower price with more flexibility and only a minor compromise on simplicity.
Yeah those cheapo converters have some bad lag in certain games too. Donkey Kong 64 and Banjo Kazooie for example, the fps drops pretty bad in some areas.
@@excessmaterial Well, it won't affect the FPS but it definitely doubles display latency since it gets double-processed. This creates noticable input lag.
1:33 what game is that??? Ive never seen it before.
I've seen the HDMI mod, but I'd really like a solution that doesn't involve cutting up the N64's case. This thing would be perfect if it could use a digital/RGB as it's source. Do you think you'd be able to do that if you modified the internals of your console?
Coming from someone that's familliar with console mods, I can tell you that's impossible. Ultra HDMI taps into the raw digital video lines, which are not accessable through the AV port. Even if they were, the super 64 uses an svideo encoder, whereas you need an FPGA to handle the digital video
@@ShankMods Damn, was hoping you could just run some wires to the AV port to override the S-video signal.
@@fireaza absolutely not lol. But to be honest, ultra HDMI just requires a tiny notch being cut into the shell for an HDMI out. That's all the cutting required on the case
Are are no cut 3d printed mods for the ultra hdmi. You just swap the plastic housing where the port would go with piece of plastic with the cutouts already made.
Is the image quality better with Ultra HDMI or this, Super 64?
The Eon is comparable to a Retrotink 2x using a S-video cable. Or at least the few people I know what have used the Eon and the Retrotink 2x have said there basically identical. If this is accurate and i suspect it is UltraHDMI has a cleaner sharper image than this. You hit a wall with S-video conversion as you cant surpass the N64s digital to analog conversion. This is one reason high end RGB upscallers such as the OSSC are also superior in this aspect. You do have to modify your system to output RGB first though as it's not supported natively.
Ultra hdmi no contest
Will there be a release for N64 PAL consoles?
Yes but there is literally no point in getting one now that the rad2x exists. Trust me Eon will just try and price gouge you $150 for composite only. The rad2x is around $50 and you get all the same benefits of the super 64 since they do literally the exact same thing. Linedouble 240p/480i to 480p while adding a smoothing button.
I would love to have this device but the pricing of it is ridiculous
I'm 4:25 in, I really wanted you to have showed us you testing the NES and SNES with the device :(
It wont fit in the back of the snes and the nes doesnt use the same multiout port as the snes, n64, and gamecube
Wait, so, if they made an SNES version, that used the RGB signal, it would work with both the SNES and RGB modded N64?
Yep
Just use HDretrovision component cables on your RGB N64
This work on a GameCube?
Pix-elation on the N64 isn't as harsh as you think man. The N64 does anti-aliasing out of the box with it's games in order make the jaggies less noticeable and practically every game you'll find for the N64 perform anti-aliasing to the video signal.
Is it compatible with PAL N64s?
No, there's a pal version in development though. Although id recommend getting a Rad2x cable instead. Its essentially the same thing for $100 less. It does everything this device does except uses a composite signal instead of svideo.
You know if it supports RGB modded console? thx
Nope. It pulls S-video from the console only. Even on an RGB-modded N64
Get HDretrovision component cables
So which is better? Ultra HDMI or the Super 64?
Ultra hdmi
a costum dockingstation with online function maybe worth 150
Should test this against a generic S-Video to HDMI adapter.
The SNES would merit a slightly different accessory, to take advantage of the native RGB output, which in the N64 requires a mod. Modding either the Super 64 or a SNES just to convert the S-Video to HDMI would be a bit of a travesty.
Lower price, SNES compatible ... and I'd consider it
To me its worth every penny.
I'd be curious how the SNES looks through this.
It wont work for the snes with modification
Could just get an HDMI converter adapter off ebay for $30 and it works on N64 and Gamecube...
I really don't understand. There are generic S-Video to HDMI converters that work fine, they convert to 720p or 1080p. And they cost 10$. Why should you play so much?
If you don't have anything to compare the cheap converter to you will not know how good it can be. I used to think the same thing, but then I got a RetroTink-2 and never looked back - Clean, bright and works well with my 7800 (oh so much better), SNES, PS1 and N64 . Those cheap upscalers can also add a bit off lag and it matters in the complicated chain of technology. $150 is just too high a price point considering.
The main thing that bugs me about those is they treat a 240p signal as if it's 480i, deinterlacing unnecessarily (actually adding artefacts in). The lack of sharpness and the colours being altered is annoying too, but certainly liveable. Whereas the tearing and fringing that occurs from unnecessary deinterlacing is soooo distracting (it is visible in this video when he gets the star in Mario 64, presumably his capture card has the same logic). I actually bought the component cable for my Wii instead of the composite one after my 13" CRT TV got replaced with a 19" LCD TV, just to eliminate that tearing and combing (by setting the Wii to 480p, it would line double the 240p games or something, while set at 480i it would output proper 240p, and only the component cable enabled 480p mode)
I dunno if you've seen the gamecube output image, but its still line doubling, resulting in a 240p output. This will look much worse then imo even composite, since you're reducing the resolution to a quarter of what it originally was.. Using this on the gamecube is not a good idea.
I honestly don't know why someone would choose this over a Retrotink and an S-video cable. The latter is cheaper, is more versatile and offers the same image quality...
I bought one and im dissapointed that it cant play in 4:3 format
EON are overpriced snake oil merchants.
Wow $150 for an HDMI adapter, what is EON smoking? id pay $50 max for one of these.
eon overprices everything. They wanted like $200 for the GameCube adaptor that carby produced for a quarter of that price.
Think Id rather get a RetroTink 2x
can you review kaico labs n64
Crazy price
Nice device but I'd rather just mod a n64 because of the price.
Great review! Good examples on the screen to show the difference in noise between composite and s-video. I already have a retrotink2x "www.retrotink.com/" which in my mind is more versatile; but, this is hands down the easiest plug and play solution out there in my mind.
For those like me who think it's too expensive, you can get a rad2x cable which essentially does the same thing for less than half the price. No lag, region free, rgb support, no external power, works on n64, snes and gamecube.
$150?? Jesus I rather just play on a CRT for the full experience. It also barely does anything but clean up noise that you would otherwise tune out after playing for 30secs
$150...!!! screw that lol
Too much for me. Without a CRT, I just don't think u can polish a turd.
Great vid though ☺
But not supported for PAL
Bill Nye is that you?
So hard to tell what you are showing since the video comparisons have no labels, and when they do they dissapear immediately
It's...not that hard.
But but i has a samsung crt and a sony trinitron...
Or you can just use an emulator if you play on pc
Gimme a Bluetooth N64 controller adapter and this & I'll have a great time
150 bucks is an unjustified price. Perhaps they should knock out 90% of the price to be a better sale.
For $149 not that much picture approvement
Not that simple. It’s costs almost 150 EUR. Over my dead body that I will pay such an amount for a bloody adapter
It's still not worth $150. Go get the Hyperkin cable for $30. I personally use S-video hooked up to a 27" Sony Trinitron. However not everyone can do that, as it takes up a lot of space. This is a good product, but outstandingly overpriced imo.
Eon overprices everything they sell. Carby made a better option for the gamecube at a quarter of the price EON demanded for their hd adaptor. 150USD for this is insane. You'd be better off modifying the console's board for hdmi output for less than that.
Buy a retrotink
If GameCube I can understand the price but for N64 nope.
Would it work on gamecube? Or even super Nintendo or the top loader NES? It's the same plug
The gamecube one isnt even justfied when Insurrection Industries did the same thing for only $75. Half the price of Eon's adapter. And they didnt even cheap out on quality, using a more premium plug unlike Eon's cheap plastic one. They even include the remote and hdmi cable you need to even use the adapter unlike Eon.
@@adventureoflinkmk2 For the snes no. For the gamecube yes but i wouldnt recommend it as it wasnt designed for the gamecube and it could cause issues overtime
@@ians_parks ah you mean Carby huh but the down side it's only for GameCube first gen not the revision one which only have Analog output, and yes I am agree with you there maybe some issue if these products use for GameCube so maybe update video or someone out there try to experiment with this then share it with us in certain forum, and if there no issue I bet those who have the revision version will happy coz at last they have a way to play their GameCube game at their HDTV.
I have a CRT TV and S-Video for my N64. I'm good. I don't need an overpriced HDMI accessory.
S-Video to HDMI converter 150 bucks? Why do you call it a HDMI device? This suggest it's pure digital which is not.
I literally see no difference in the side by sides lol
Two words "DAC" "Analog". I give these types of items a hard pass. At least for the GC one the digital output port is used (even if it's just for video)
What a rip off
It seems like Eon has a recurring problems with fat huge connectors being limited by their size. Their Gamecube adapter needlessly takes up the analog port for no good reason too which is a problem if you need analog audio for, say, using with a monitor.
And $150 is more than double what I paid for the Dell 2007FP I play N64 games on.
This product does not need to exist. its 3x the cost it should be considering it only displays 240p at S-video quality. You are better off having your N64 RGB modded for a fraction of the cost then use a Scart cable with HDMI adapter. or best yet just hook up the N64 with standard cables to an old CRT tv. anything looks better than this on a modern LCD LED TV.
Its linedoubling 240p to 480p
Playing on an emulator at 4k............................ with 120gb of roms library downloaded....... it was all for free...all on a whim. Deleted it the same day..
Meh.. you might as well just use s-video with your modern TV...
I use S-Video with my HDTV, the cables are really quite cheap and look pretty clear on the screen.
Too bad it doesn't work with PAL consoles... seriously...
Theres a pal version coming
@@ians_parks Yeah... but when he mentioned that it was using the S video signals.. i would then just use the retrotink 2x... which does the same smoothing option, and even has a passthrough function...
@@KayoMichiels the retrotink2x is what i use for my n64
But not for PAL ! Einfach Lächerlich !
Look into getting a Rad2x, is $100 cheaper than this.
Sorry but far too expensive!