Father refusing to return late daughter's engagement ring | Banfield
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2022
- An Alabama man, in a legal battle over littering because he left flowers on his fiancée’s grave, says he also can’t get his engagement ring back.
Winston “Winchester” Hagans was convicted of criminal littering and ordered to pay about $300 for repeatedly placing boxes full of flowers on the grave of his fiancée, whose father didn’t like the decorations or approve of their relationship.
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The father is a LOWLIFE for doing all of this. Period. He deserves ZERO sympathy, he is desecrating his daughter's legacy.
You don't know dad's side of things. I agree that the engagement ring should be rerurned.
This dad sounds like a true POS. The fact that he is a reverend is just outrageous. Just petty AF
Evil people hiding behind religion / cult.
Why lots of priests revrends r pigs totally not surprising to me
Makes sense, to me, he already knows he's spreading lies. If you want to find liars, go to church...
Not all who have Reverend as a title actually know Jesus. They only know stories but they lack a true relationship.
@@whatever8243 ain’t that the truth 💯
This is absurd! This is not a child's grave for this father to be acting this insane. This was a grown woman. Doesn't the legal system have actual criminals to take care of???
Seems the father must have friends in high places!? Another reason to take a long hard look at the police/ legal system and uprooting corruption.
hes a reverend sooo. "high places" see what I did there ;)
Do something about it then
@@sunnytheboxer. don't you need to practice being a punching bag genius?
@@sunnytheboxer. you seem so though little guy 🤡
I think this man who is a "Reverend", needs to take a look at himself. Stopping his late daughter's fiancée from putting flowers on his daughters flowers, is beyond words. Plus getting 30 days jail term AND a fine.... Please judge, your making a laughing stock of yourself. I really hope this poor gentleman wins his case, and gets his fiances ring back. His future father-in-law must really hate to do this. I just hope he hasn't sold the ring to someone else.
Controlling psycho.
You’re ^
He sounds like a vindictive man. He might have sold
I'm sure the preacher from hell will never give back the ring.
That father is a piece of work. I can't believe the legal system condones his behavior. Sounds like he's well-connected. Glad the fiance went to the press (I saw this reported on another channel, as well). Sometimes that's what it takes to get justice.
Sounds like fiancé isn’t any legal family member. So yea he technically and legally had no right or say that’s why marriage is important when you met someone you like because they won’t get a chance to say anything if something happened to their loved on cus they’re not family members
This dad is behaving poorly. This is the opposite way a "man of God" should be treating anyone.. let alone the man his daughter chose to marry!
@@Valen_Wolf Personally, I don't see this Reverend as "a man of God," regardless if he does other good in the community. I believe his moral compass is pointed in the opposite direction.
Lol. Now everybody's well-connected?
Cemeteries have their own rules about leaving flowers on graves for ease of maintaining the entire cemetery. Meanwhile, it's hard to believe that the father could have the fiance arrested as he left flowers on his daughter's grave. BUT we're talking Alabama and the ol' boy network which I'm guessing is alive and well.
1000% percent agree with the fiance in this case.... BUT, details matter.... So, the father is a strict pastor that didn't approve of his daughter's engagement (don't know why because this MAN seems amazing) AND.... his daughter died in a car accident on her way home from visiting a wedding venue... AND...
the fiance, built a 3 box, bench size flower pot and placed 3 8x10ish
engagement photos... one photo of their hands showing her engagement ring...
Well, the cemetery has rules against this type of set up but typically will not be very strict on enforcement UNLESS, the owner of the plot (father) doesn't take responsibility for upkeep etc... so, I believe the father asked the fiance to remove it and when he refused, the father removed it and it fell apart in the process because of the weight and it "not being well built"... SO, the fiance built another one and placed it on the grave, and the father removed it... I believe it was after the 3rd pot bench with the engagement photos was placed on her grave is when the father took him to court for littering using the cemetery's rules in his favor to pursue law enforcement and court orders..... AGAIN, I don't agree with the father but I also think the WHOLE story should be told... the father didnt have a problem with him leaving flowers, he had a problem with the bench size flower pots with the huge engagement photos of an engagement that he didnt agree with... instead of the fiance compromising, he is going on MSM and not telling the whole story... unfortunately, 2 men have broken hearts and refuse to stop having a pissing contest while calling themselves Christians.
@@Peace_and_Love_777..... ok, the first wasn't "well built", so he made another. I don't see why that should be worthy of an arrest. It seems like he really loved and highly regarded her.
Cemeteries will toss them out if you have left an item not allowed or "out of season" flowers.
Why does this girls father have so much animosity towards his daughter’s fiancé?
Because he had his daughter’s love.
The engagement ring should be given back to him, no doubt it's what she would have wanted too. Seems they were happy & in love, WHY would her father be so cruel about everything and cause the fiance' so much trouble? Does the father blame the fiance' for his daughter's death? We should get his side of the story too.
Yes he does, in his mind he's saying.. if my lovely daughter hadn't met this heathen, she would still be with us.
He’s NOT a heathen though, the fiancé is actually a preacher, which means he’s a Christian!
He obviously has the holier-than-thou problem. Evangelical grifter.
Here's the Father's side of the story: "Mr Ford said that he had not approved of the couple’s relationship as his daughter had not told him about it personally and he had heard about it from others."
He sounds like an asshat which is why she likely never told him. I question how close she even was to her father?
@@indakgalak ok so he gets a free pass automatically of course, because no Christian is ever in the wrong, yeaaaaaaaah
Love and prayers to this man. I pray for justice, peace, and prosperity for this man.
Wow. I’m so glad the cops were kind and professional. Compassionate.
YES! (note sarcasm font)
🤣😂😅
I don’t think we’re hearing the entire story but in the description it says that he kept putting boxes of flowers on the grave repeatedly and the family didn’t approve of the relationship. Wonder why they would keep the ring 💍 when they didn’t approve.
I heard she didn’t introduce him to the family. Dad didn’t find out about him until after engagement.
It isn't that her father wants the ring for sentimental reasons, he is a vindictive Po$ that wants to punish Winston for loving his daughter and almost taking her away from him through marriage. Obviously the daughter did not live the controlled lifestyle that her father wanted to enforce. He is just a miserable person and wants to make Winston just as miserable as him.
I no nothing about this case except what I just learned here, but some states have laws that will allow a man to retain ownership of engagement rings and other intimate gifts given during courtship if the actual planned wedding is aborted for any reason. Winston needs an attorney that is a real bull dog and not afraid of the local attorneys, judges and law enforcement to file a complaint and ask the court to prohibit his fiancee's father from disposing of the rings and other personal gifts until the case is adjudicated. Depending upon Alabama State laws and whether he and his fiancee lived together, he may also want to get in line as his fiancee's estate is to be settled, as a different and hopefully fair judge will be handling the settlement of her estate.
It sounds to me like this Alabama town is run by the corrupt "Good Old Boy" network of law enforcement & governance. And perhaps God needs to recall a certain Preacher Man?
@@TLJ88 so?
@@sandrajones651 issues much?
What was the cause of death? Suspicious.
The daughter’s fiancé should sue the father to get the ring back.
An engagement ring represents a 'promise to marry'. If the wedding doesn't go through then the ring should be returned.
She died. She didn't stand him up at the alter.
@@KS-cl8br Which doesn't change the fact that the marriage didn't go through therefore the ring must be returned.
@@thehazelnutspread No it doesn't. It was hers It should go to who her will stated.
Not sure what the laws are in his state but in most states an engagement ring is contingent upon marriage and if there was no marriage then legally that ring belongs to him. Thankfully, his former soon to be father-in-law is doing an excellent job of revealing himself....
My heart hurts so deeply for this man my goodness. God bless you sir.
This sounds very weird. Question: What were the circumstances surrounding her death? Why would the father act like this? I would like to hear what the father has to say.
She died in a car accident. They just want to see a venue for their wedding. The father and dad were not on good terms is believe.
Might be he blames him for her death then the only thing I can think of ..🥲🤔
I would like to know the father's side of the story. Why does he dislike this guy so much?
It’s the weird mustache lol this guy looks old I thought it WAS her dad.. maybe he’s close to the dads age which rubbed the dad the wrong way
father had 8 home schooled kids. .. sounds like they wanted to control their kids forever imo
Exactly
@@kittencatlover156 aaaahhhh. That makes sense.
Sounds like the Dad has an UNHEALTHY RELATIONSHIP with his daughter. Mad she left you for another man, daddy? Mad she wouldn't be under your thumb for ever, daddy? SICK!!!!? BURN IN HELL DAD!
I’m curious why the family did not have the engagement ring buried with her, unless their goal this whole time was to hurt her fiancé. The only reason to not give it back to him would be if they decided to burry her in it. Gosh this is messy though
I agree. I think the ring should be on her finger.
The father is a strict pastor that didn't approve of his daughter's engagement (don't know why because this MAN seems amazing) AND.... his daughter died in a car accident on her way home from visiting a wedding venue... AND...
the fiance, built a 3 box, bench size flower pot and placed 3 8x10ish
engagement photos... one photo of their hands showing her engagement ring...
Well, the cemetery has rules against this type of set up but typically will not be very strict on enforcement UNLESS, the owner of the plot (father) doesn't take responsibility for upkeep etc... so, I believe the father asked the fiance to remove it and when he refused, the father removed it and it fell apart in the process because of the weight and it "not being well built"... SO, the fiance built another one and placed it on the grave, and the father removed it... I believe it was after the 3rd pot bench with the engagement photos was placed on her grave is when the father took him to court for littering using the cemetery's rules in his favor to pursue law enforcement and court orders..... AGAIN, I don't agree with the father but I also think the WHOLE story should be told... the father didnt have a problem with him leaving flowers, he had a problem with the bench size flower pots with the huge engagement photos of an engagement that he didnt agree with... instead of the fiance compromising, he is going on MSM and not telling the whole story... unfortunately, 2 men have broken hearts and refuse to stop having a pissing contest while calling themselves Christians.
@@Peace_and_Love_777..... yep I agree👍🏻
How did she die? Does her father feel like he did it? Something is not right here. We're not hearing the whole story.
I agree , there are 2 sides to this , perhaps this man is not as wonderful as he likes to appear
Yes. I hate when they leave out crucial parts of the story.
In a car accident
People react to death in strange ways sometimes. This man was not married to her yet, so her family does have the last say on what happens at her gravesite. He should get his ring back and perhaps use a favored place they liked to frequent to visit and express his love and sorrow over the loss of his future wife. Sad situation.....
Well yes - you are actually correct - she was their daughter for how many years before he came along . I have to say I’m often annoyed how spouse is considered number 1 when parents and siblings have been family for so many years !
He was going to be her husband, he has every right being there. It is hard enough going through loss but you don't have the RIGHT to take it out on others that are hurting as much as you are. Hopefully he gets the ring back and can grieve her in other ways. Heartbreaking situation for all concerned
Ok after reading other comments on different channels, I'm a little more on the dad's side.
@@gillvanwijk5037 Spouse chose that person. You don't chose who you are born to. Spouse is #1.
@@kezdemk .... Yup, details matter.... So, the father is a strict pastor that didn't approve of his daughter's engagement (don't know why because this MAN seems amazing) AND.... his daughter died in a car accident on her way home from visiting a wedding venue... AND...
the fiance, built a 3 box, bench size flower pot and placed 3 8x10ish
engagement photos... one photo of their hands showing her engagement ring...
Well, the cemetery has rules against this type of set up but typically will not be very strict on enforcement UNLESS, the owner of the plot (father) doesn't take responsibility for upkeep etc... so, I believe the father asked the fiance to remove it and when he refused, the father removed it and it fell apart in the process because of the weight and it "not being well built"... SO, the fiance built another one and placed it on the grave, and the father removed it... I believe it was after the 3rd pot bench with the engagement photos was placed on her grave is when the father took him to court for littering using the cemetery's rules in his favor to pursue law enforcement and court orders..... AGAIN, I don't agree with the father but I also think the WHOLE story should be told... the father didnt have a problem with him leaving flowers, he had a problem with the bench size flower pots with the huge engagement photos of an engagement that he didnt agree with... instead of the fiance compromising, he is going on MSM and not telling the whole story... unfortunately, 2 men have broken hearts and refuse to stop having a pissing contest while calling themselves Christians.
For a judge to say putting flowers on a grave is littering.....someone needs to report him to the judicial oversight! That's outrageous, and unless every person who leaves flowers on any grave, is charged with littering, and making that his final judgement, and made to pay a $300 fine and 30 days in jail.......that's corrupt!
Montgomery has the paperwork
I absolutely agree! With everything else going on with this, there needs to be an investigation into the judge and the prosecution. They shouldn't be allowed to do this. I hope they are hit with a law suit.
1000% percent agree with the fiance in this case.... BUT, details matter.... So, the father is a strict pastor that didn't approve of his daughter's engagement (don't know why because this MAN seems amazing) AND.... his daughter died in a car accident on her way home from visiting a wedding venue... AND...
the fiance, built a 3 box, bench size flower pot and placed 3 8x10ish
engagement photos... one photo of their hands showing her engagement ring...
Well, the cemetery has rules against this type of set up but typically will not be very strict on enforcement UNLESS, the owner of the plot (father) doesn't take responsibility for upkeep etc... so, I believe the father asked the fiance to remove it and when he refused, the father removed it and it fell apart in the process because of the weight and it "not being well built"... SO, the fiance built another one and placed it on the grave, and the father removed it... I believe it was after the 3rd pot bench with the engagement photos was placed on her grave is when the father took him to court for littering using the cemetery's rules in his favor to pursue law enforcement and court orders..... AGAIN, I don't agree with the father but I also think the WHOLE story should be told... the father didnt have a problem with him leaving flowers, he had a problem with the bench size flower pots with the huge engagement photos of an engagement that he didnt agree with... instead of the fiance compromising, he is going on MSM and not telling the whole story... unfortunately, 2 men have broken hearts and refuse to stop having a pissing contest while calling themselves Christians.
Oh, Dear! Grief is complicated and painful. At the end of the day, what would the Daughter/Fiancée want? How can these men honor her memory?
That dad must really hate his daughter or else he wouldn't work so hard to use her death to hurt her fiance.
I hope her dad reads your comment! 💞
@@iMageMotif I can only imagine how hurt she'd be to see her fiance suffer like that. What a sicko.
It's what I'd do if I wanted to inflict the most pain on her spirit: go after her widower, while she watched helplessly.
Her spirit would get no rest at all.
I agree . What a monster. Unless there is something we dont know ..🤔
@@Littlekitten_
If I'm being totally honest here, he's probably not a monster. He's probably just a man whose grief-stricken beyond his own sanity and doesn't realize how monstrous and hateful he's become.
@@NEbluefire You used the "N" word! And you are 100% correct!
We’re not getting the full story here. What is the reason he doesn’t get along with the dad?
Exactly! We always get these little snippets and they never makes sense. Something had to have happened to make this pastor feel this way - whether right or wrong. Would love to hear his version of events.
@@jillj6643 right! I’m not saying this is the case for this man..but my parents did not care for my sister’s fiancé when they found out he hit her. He wasn’t allowed to even come to their home. It’s just weird how the origin of the contention was never mentioned
@@Nallisn it's probably just that he is pathetic, controlling man who hides behind the bible and didn't approve of his daughter having sex before she was married. Again, controlling. Many of these extremely "faithful" religious people are judgemental hypocrites. I mean, look around. Look at all the wealthy preachers who beg people for their money.
Why were the parents opposed to him putting flowers there?
What is their side of the story?
There's a lot missing here...
Agree. Also, I think the fiance is grossing a line. He needs to chill. They were not married, so the gravesite belongs to the family and they decide what to do with it. Him putting big ass flowers pots with pictures of them kissing, highjacking the site this way is over the top and disrespectful to the family. He's not the only one grieving and the site is not for him to decide how it should be managed.
@@mulleladegaard4992 The family "pays for" the gravesite, but they do not "own" it (unless it is a privately owned cemetery that gives a deed or other document of ownership and control over who can visit and/or leave flowers. Even then it would seem that the father would need to post a no trespassing sign or a no littering sign to enforce his desires.)
I agree 💯% however that there is a lot we don't know here about this case. But if this is a public cemetery, anyone can visit, and anyone can leave flowers and decorations. There is a caretaker of the cemetery who is also tasked with removing flowers that haven't been removed by the family after they have served their purpose.
And then there are people who don't have a heart........ 🖤+(mirror emoji)🤥
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@@dalewalker4614 Since when is the one paying not the one who gets to decide. When the wishes of the one paying has been declared loud and clear you of course respect that. If you want a site/memorial more to your liking you arrange and pay for that. Let me get your argument clear - if you're paying your mortgage you don't own your house, because techically you don't, so others can come do with it what they want. Illogical and jibberish argument. You can leave loose stuff - if anything - like cut off flowers, but of course you can't plant things or construct anything permanent. Come on now, be serious.
Heartbreaking ❤️🩹 what a wretched and unchristian ‘father in law’. What a loving and thoughtful young man.
Wym? That’s actually very Christian of him. To judge and take action himself.
@@alexaecho4273 this is very incorrect. god is to judge not him or any other human. matthew 7 verse 2 explains that humans judging will make their judgement day worse
@@SpecialUnicorn798 Then maybe you should keep religion out of state matters then.
@@SpecialUnicorn798 God is to judge everyone after they have left this world and are in His presence again. WE are expected to judge those who interfere in our life and harm us. It is our God-given responsibility to take appropriate legal actions to protect ourselves and our families from people and institutions that cause us harm. GOD LOVES YOU. He will understand your righteous actions and desires of your heart when it is YOUR turn to be judged by Him!
@@nobodysbusiness3533 Please, do tell where YOU draw the line between state and religion?
He didn’t approve of their relationship but is refusing to give back the diamond engagement ring WOW and he’s a pastor, shame on that man the greedy unforgiving unholy man, good luck Winchester I will pray for you and look out for a update on this unbelievably atrocious sentence for simply honouring the woman you were about to spend the rest of your life with, a life full of love and gods grace. 🙏
I cannot believe that! To pray of the love of his daughter's life, and go after him like that.
God will be reverend Ford's judge and jury 🙏
Please keep us posted on this story. I am so very sorry he is going through this.
How/why did she die? Was she ill? Accident? Does her father blame him for her death?
Look at the planter though. It is extra huge and has pictures of him on it. Most cemeteries have specific rules.
he wasnt just putting flowers on the grave , there are 2 very large planters with photos of them , perhaps the family know this guy better than we do and maybe theres more to this , its not right to take over a grave site like that if you are not the next of kin , at the end of the day this report only tells one side of the story , when my partner died his family chose how the grave looked and I respected that , we were not married so I had no say , he told me he wanted to be cremated and they buried him even though I passed on his wishes , again , it wasnt my decision to make
Obvious corruption in this community starting with the “reverend” and including the judge.
How did she die? How long were they engaged? Why did the fil dislike him so much? WE NEED BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY
Both sides of a littering charge? 30 days for a bouquet of flowers? Don’t need a law degree to see this is crap!
The father seems like a bitter mean - cold hearted man! Goodness! That poor man. 😞
The father in this case should be sat down and explained to that his daughter was a grown woman and was allowed to make her own decisions, we don't kive in the 18th century anymore, daughters are no longer property. Now on the flip side, this couple was not married so unless there was an iron clad will all of her personal possessions would go back to her family. But all in all it's ridiculous to be accused, tried, and convicted over putting flowers on your deceased fiance's grave.
It is also a ring that he gave her that he purchased. It should belong to him since it was a symbol of their love...not the love between her and her father. Father sounds very petty and like someone else mentioned in the comments what harm does leaving flowers on a grave site cause? He should appreciate that she is loved so much
While I may agree with you, legally speaking once the ring was given as a gift it had ceased to belong to the gentleman and became the property of the deceased fiance (I think).
1000% percent agree with the fiance in this case.... BUT, details matter.... So, the father is a strict pastor that didn't approve of his daughter's engagement (don't know why because this MAN seems amazing) AND.... his daughter died in a car accident on her way home from visiting a wedding venue... AND...
the fiance, built a 3 box, bench size flower pot and placed 3 8x10ish
engagement photos... one photo of their hands showing her engagement ring...
Well, the cemetery has rules against this type of set up but typically will not be very strict on enforcement UNLESS, the owner of the plot (father) doesn't take responsibility for upkeep etc... so, I believe the father asked the fiance to remove it and when he refused, the father removed it and it fell apart in the process because of the weight and it "not being well built"... SO, the fiance built another one and placed it on the grave, and the father removed it... I believe it was after the 3rd pot bench with the engagement photos was placed on her grave is when the father took him to court for littering using the cemetery's rules in his favor to pursue law enforcement and court orders..... AGAIN, I don't agree with the father but I also think the WHOLE story should be told... the father didnt have a problem with him leaving flowers, he had a problem with the bench size flower pots with the huge engagement photos of an engagement that he didnt agree with... instead of the fiance compromising, he is going on MSM and not telling the whole story... unfortunately, 2 men have broken hearts and refuse to stop having a pissing contest while calling themselves Christians.
How did this woman die is the question
Car accident.
The father tinkered with her car mechanically so it would crash and kill her
@@braveinternetguy wait fr? source?
@@braveinternetguy NOT funny?
@@ZetaMotions no
Humm! To me personally there's much more to this story missing! Just saying from my experiences in Life! TWO SIDES TO EVERYTHING IN LIFE! Both sides can be wrong or right depending on THEIR own beliefs!
It is interesting to note that Winchester was arrested for a DUI the morning after this interview. Perhaps Mr. Ford didn’t approve of the relationship because of things like this. It’s also ironic that Hannah died as a result of someone else DUI. Maybe a good way of honoring his late fiancé would be avoiding the very thing that caused her death.
Something must be wrong with this guy if the dead fiance family want nothing to do with him. From this interview he talks to much about himself
Winchester seems like a Godly man who doesn't deserve to be treated the way his late fiancés dad is treating him. I'm a Christian but it's people like the "reverend" that talk the talk but don't walk the walk & give other Christians a really bad name! Not letting people put flowers on someone's grave is just hateful but refusing to give the ring back is absolutely AWFUL!!! I just wonder if he's thought about what Hannah would think about her father's behavior 🤔 God bless you Winchester!!!
The "Reverend" filing a complaint to arrest and prosecute his late daughter's fiancee' for "littering" is just as petty and despicable as one can get. Even as a Narcissist! Dear Hannah knew her father very well. That is why she didn't introduce her fiancee' to her family early on when her father could have driven him away from her. I believe God has a special place reserved for those who prove to be despicable "Men of the Cloth."
@@dalewalker4614 I totally agree with you! It's just terrible especially for a reverend/pastor! I feel so bad for her fiancé 💔
Did you see the flowers? He put them in a large box with pictures of himself and his fiancee. It was an “in your face” move.
@@ccubito Yeah I saw that! The whole thing is ridiculous especially for a grown man who is a "pastor" that's held to a higher standard. People like him give religion a bad name 🙄
His soon-to-be father-in-law is extremely in the wrong on this I understand a guy loves his daughter but there is no need to have somebody else thrown in jail Over Flowers and planters , if we had any decency he would understand that that man is grieving as well that is just messed up for guy that supposed to be a reverend
The daughter is dead. He will never be his father-in-law.
A WARRANT?!!! FOR LITTERING?!!!!
0:26 I'm lost..... This video just started in the middle of a story. Wtf is going on??
i was lost too so I googled his name
I have read on other channels there is a whole lot more to this than what is spoken. It is hard loosing your child and to not actually know the man that is plastering your daughters grave with his picture is even harder. They didnt even know him, as like the daughter didn't as she had only known him a few months apparently. So in away I can understand the dad's point of view he seems narcissistic to be fair.
Thank you! That was what I was thinking!
Unbelievable 💔
The DADS behavior makes no sense. May God restore his heart and compassion.
I know people enough to know there is more to this story than we are hearing. I would like to hear Hanna's dad's side. This guy seems meek and humble enough but people can put up whatever face they need to. You can't make a decision till you know the whole story. If this guy is innocent in all this I hope he is treated better in the future!
Yup, details matter.... So, the father is a strict pastor that didn't approve of his daughter's engagement (don't know why because this MAN seems amazing) AND.... his daughter died in a car accident on her way home from visiting a wedding venue... AND...
the fiance, built a 3 box, bench size flower pot and placed 3 8x10ish
engagement photos... one photo of their hands showing her engagement ring...
Well, the cemetery has rules against this type of set up but typically will not be very strict on enforcement UNLESS, the owner of the plot (father) doesn't take responsibility for upkeep etc... so, I believe the father asked the fiance to remove it and when he refused, the father removed it and it fell apart in the process because of the weight and it "not being well built"... SO, the fiance built another one and placed it on the grave, and the father removed it... I believe it was after the 3rd pot bench with the engagement photos was placed on her grave is when the father took him to court for littering using the cemetery's rules in his favor to pursue law enforcement and court orders..... AGAIN, I don't agree with the father but I also think the WHOLE story should be told... the father didnt have a problem with him leaving flowers, he had a problem with the bench size flower pots with the huge engagement photos of an engagement that he didnt agree with... instead of the fiance compromising, he is going on MSM and not telling the whole story... unfortunately, 2 men have broken hearts and refuse to stop having a pissing contest while calling themselves Christians.
There’s gotta be more to this story- one doesn’t act the way that her father did without a reason- but the fiancé seems like a decent guy
There has to be a reason why Banfeild didn’t ask him why do you think her father would do this? There had to be some major tension between them when she was alive. Does the father blame him for her death? What really happened here… 🤔
@@Bt26x trueee! She likes to ask those tough questions too! I also wondered if the father thought that he was responsible or something! That or the father just didn’t approve of their relationship- do we know how the fiancé even died? 🕵️
It was a three car crash… how strange..surly that couldn’t have been staged
that is what i was thinking too. I don't know why the father's side wasn't explained. Every story has more than just one side.
I heard she didn’t introduced them, got engaged with out dad’s approval.
This man’s daughter would be disgusted with him
She would certainly want her fiance to have the engagement ring. What a lousy father!
@@fulanichild3138 the fact that her father is a preacher with this kind of hate is absolutely a slap in the face to Jesus who died for us and forgave us. But he will have to face Him one day. I pray the court system will stop this😭
What’s the whole story? How did she die? Where is all of this animosity coming from?
They had been engaged for one month. She died in an automobile accident returning from looking for a wedding venue according to Google.
There has to be something they aren’t saying about this story, I think it’s strange both dad and fiancé are concerned about her estate and an engagement ring... at least wait until she’s cold before having this argument, this is all odd.
It's been over a year since she died.
The father should return the ring to the husband to be. Unless, the husband to be happened to owe the father for an amount above the price of the ring. Even then, I would think the ring needs to be returned and the father can go to civil court if he feels he’s due some money. Ridiculous
she may have been buried with the ring.
So ridiculous!
Beautiful flower plant box. Great idea with photos
He should file a civil suit against his fiance's father, and include the city and the judge as defendants.
If you actually read about this case, the guy was warned MULTIPLE times by the city NOT to place boxes at the grave.
This is not a case where a guy gets arrested for placing flowers on a grave once or twice.
MANY, many times, he placed boxes, pictures and other "debris" in the cemetery and was told not to BY THE CITY.
Having worked at a City cemetery, I know many cemeteries have rules about what kind of headstones (flat or standing) and what kind of and how many "mementos" (flowers, frames, etc.) may remain on a grave and for how long. The fact a "littering" charge is being used might indicate the City hasn't had occasion to address such a problem before and this is their way to get him to stop breaking their rules. After all, it costs more to clean it up. However, IF what's being said here is true, it really does sound like her dad, sadly, might be acting on his displeasure with this man's relationship with his daughter and exploiting connections at City Hall, in addition to withholding the ring, in order to punish him. Let's don't be TOO quick to be so HARD on either of these men. Remember that the DAD is probably angry and grieving the loss of his precious child too. It's VERY sad and upsetting that these two Christian men, who are supposed to consider themselves BROTHERS in Christ, are at such horrible odds with each other and in such a petty way! They are setting a terrible example to others, delighting the Devil (who loves division and animosity), and grieving the Holy Spirit of the God Who loves them. We need to be holding them up in prayer.🙏🤲☝️😥❤
@@donnariley2831 ..... Yup, details matter.... So, the father is a strict pastor that didn't approve of his daughter's engagement (don't know why because this MAN seems amazing) AND.... his daughter died in a car accident on her way home from visiting a wedding venue... AND...
the fiance, built a 3 box, bench size flower pot and placed 3 8x10ish
engagement photos... one photo of their hands showing her engagement ring...
Well, the cemetery has rules against this type of set up but typically will not be very strict on enforcement UNLESS, the owner of the plot (father) doesn't take responsibility for upkeep etc... so, I believe the father asked the fiance to remove it and when he refused, the father removed it and it fell apart in the process because of the weight and it "not being well built"... SO, the fiance built another one and placed it on the grave, and the father removed it... I believe it was after the 3rd pot bench with the engagement photos was placed on her grave is when the father took him to court for littering using the cemetery's rules in his favor to pursue law enforcement and court orders..... AGAIN, I don't agree with the father but I also think the WHOLE story should be told... the father didnt have a problem with him leaving flowers, he had a problem with the bench size flower pots with the huge engagement photos of an engagement that he didnt agree with... instead of the fiance compromising, he is going on MSM and not telling the whole story... unfortunately, 2 men have broken hearts and refuse to stop having a pissing contest while calling themselves Christians.
Mentioning that he was intending to preach, in his first sentence, seems disingenuous. He brought it up over and over: on my way to church, going over my notes, my sermon… I felt that the reporter was biased.
Agreed
Well the father in law is a preacher too so it’s all part of the story
Can you not leave flowers or momentous at a grave site - that’s new
The engagement ring belonged to Hannah as a gift - unfortunately the family gets to keep it if they choose
Yet you’d think if the family don’t want contact with Chester they’d give it back along with any other gifts he has ever given
Some people are so vindictive and unnecessarily mean - I believe they pay for that both in this life and the next
No the engagement ring was a promise of marriage & since the marriage did not happen the ring goes back to the GROOM!!!
@@gaylewysock4817 I think you need to check that out It’s not right it belongs to her and her beneficiaries and in this case that’s her father and family
Sad but true
Need the other side of the story. Why put your picture on graveside if u know father would be upset by your picture kissing his daughter?
I personally know the Ford family well and have known of the Hagans family for quite some time also. It’s really pitiful how people tend to jump and defend or condemn someone when they have just skimmed over a news story. There’s more to it guys. The Ford family, though not perfect, is a very delightful, kind and hospitable family. Winchester has been extremely disrespectful to the rest of the Ford family and has sought for an opportunity to flaunt himself as can be noted in all the pictures of himself on the box. He evidently set up a game camera to monitor the grave plot which didn’t belong to him. As you may have noticed, the Ford family has not been pushing this story in the news. They have only wanted to bring this to a quiet resolution. They first contacted Winchester’s church(at the time) in an attempt to resolve it. A representative of the church suggested that he take it to the civil authorities because they couldn’t deal with him….The judge made a reasonable decision. As far as the ring goes, it’s my understanding that Hagans may have some personal belonging(s) of Hannah that the Ford family would like to be returned in exchange for the ring.
Grave sites are meant for everyone to mourn the loss of a loved one. Grave sites don't care who paid for the resting place.
Getting ticketed for littering for leaving flowers at a Grave site is the craziest thing I've heard. Then to spend 30 days in jail well that's just punitive. At the end of the day both the father and fiance loved her.
The story would probably be no where but for 30days in jail for littered flowered on a graveside. The fine well okay, because it's normal to fine for littering. If he really wanted traction, he'd be all over Tiktok and Twitter with folks leaving tons of flowers everyday.
If the family didn't bury the ring with her, it should be returned to the fiancé. They have other momentos to remember her by. Keeping the engagement ring is spiteful. No matter how nice you are. I'll leave all the faith based stuff out of the conversation since neither can be decent human beings while grieving.
I didn’t see pictures of just him on the flower box. I saw pictures of a life shared with the deceased. The pictures presented were not flaunting anything but a young couples love for one and other.
If the Ford family wanted a true resolution, they could have found one. Taking law enforcement with the family to have a conversation about not using video equipment and warn him of consequences would have been reasonable. Trying to involve someone’s employers was an escalation, not a de-escalation of the situation. Taking out a warrant for his arrest was a second escalation. Keeping anything (including an engagement ring) that belongs to the fiancé is an escalation of the conflict.
Is it possible he has things that belong to the Ford family? I would guess that is a good possibility too. Two wrongs don’t make a right. “Pastor” Ford, as the older of the two men involved, should be a mature man of the cloth that is capable of showing his congregation how to act with grace and and love to a fellow Christian who is hurting and possibly lost in grief.
You’re response is telling in that there is an underlying root of bitterness. Have you prayed heartfelt prayers today for both sides to find peace and end this fight? Do you really want peace for all involved, or do you hope to just try to point fingers?
I pray that all people touched by Miss Ford’s life and death will stop the tattle telling attitudes and will find a way to build a better legacy for her in the weeks, months, and years to come.
Be better. Demand better. The world is watching, waiting to condemn all Christians based on this childish behavior.
You didn’t help shed any light at all.
Well, I must say..I would not want that box at my familygrave..with those huge pictures, I'm not that kind of type who likes that sort of "decorations" at my grave, just plant a flower that will come up every spring, THAT I would appreciate. If it's her family"s grave,then her parents have the right to draw the line at what they accept there of course, and he should accept it and not start problems.
Yeah but you wouldn't throw someone with bad taste in the slammer would you?
@@arawilson ????
the father sounds like a control freak. Home skilled all 8 kids then clearly doesnt want them to be independent
There is way more to this story than reported here. He put boxes out 9 times and was ask by the cemetery director to stop leaving the boxes or he would be cited for it. He's not telling the whole story. He aint the angel he's putting himself out to be but hey, that doesn't make a goid story does it. He was charged with a DUI after this. He has also been cited for an open container violation shortly before she died.
The engagement ring always belongs to the husband, if its not on her finger it belongs to him.
This kind of ridiculous behaviour is one of the reasons the rest of the world thinks the USA is a crazy place.
Opelika is a good ole’ Southern boys town. Does that tell you enough? Auburn is right next door and is a college town with the good ole’ Southern boys atmosphere too. It is a total different atmosphere in that area than most of the United States.
However, the trumped up charges on littering shows how low this fiances’s father will go and how easily the two police departments will jump on it.
that sounds like a abuse of power using cops in such a manner ,that is all wrong ,not the cops the is the issue the father and judge ,that is ridiculous
Thanks for your reporting. Think you do such a professional job.🙏❤️
Someone had it out for him.
Pulled over for expired tags (a year old) I get.
The warrant for arrest over littering, that really was not the issue.
Her Father really didn’t like him. How she died may shed more light on this.
It is interesting to note that Winchester was arrested for a DUI the morning after this interview. Perhaps Mr. Ford didn’t approve of the relationship because of things like this. It’s also ironic that Hannah died as a result of someone else DUI. Maybe a good way of honoring his late fiancé would be avoiding the very thing that caused her death.
That might be a reason…or could it be that the death of his fiancé has really impacted him in a way that he is using substances to cope with the emotional toll it has on him?
@@sassysav6859 I agree. Also in my opinion if this is a small country town then he already has a “X” on his back with law enforcement siding with the father so they could be targeting him. He could have had one glass of wine and they arrested him because they are trying to prove a point. Small towns are famous for stuff like that. I’ve lived in Louisiana all my life so it does happen.
@@sassysav6859 yet he claims to be a man of god
@@StellaKnights guess what? We are all sinners. Can you truly say how you would deal with this situation if you were in his shoes? Have never done something in a situation and then realized it wasn't the best thing to do ? I know I have, more than once. We are all human, and we cope with things differently as we are individuals.
@@StellaKnights 'Men of God' still have emotions and stressors and maybe have a drink to try and help them through. Or, maybe drink too much the night before when not going to drive but still have a blood alcohol contact higher than is legal when driving the following morning.
This kind of thing needs to be turned over to the DOJ
What!?!? Can’t put flowers at the site! Ridiculous!!!
I'm getting covert narcissist vibes from this fiance'
I wonder why the father has such a problem with the fiancee? Hmm, maybe the dad knew more about the relationship than we all do...
Did he sell it?? Why can't he give it back??
Something doesn’t smell right with this situation. Why was his (former) future FIL so angry? What happened in the past? Why so much anger? Doesn’t make sense.
Who asks for a dead fiancee’s ring back? I haven’t watched the video yet. Just the headline.
This is just crazy unbelieveable and so wrong on many levels i cant fathom it out what is wrong with people !!!!
No wonder she left her family.
What could possibly be his reason for this? The father-in-law must be buddies with one of the cops
Or all? Sounds like small town bias and illegal activity.
I desperately need an update, on this!
Four cops for that. But no cops for the needles being tossed on the park ground my son and daughter play at???
It looks like you can only put cut flowers on the grave, but why would her father complain?
So what’s the dad‘s beef with the guy?
What kind of relationship did he have with the reverend when Hanna was alive? This reporter needs to ask stuff like that!
I hope that someone runs against that judge. This is ridiculous.
So sad 😞
He should purchase a billboard and run perpetual flowers along with her name for 30 days.
This is so crazy
Why would her father treat him the way he is she obviously looked happy with him and seriously littering for leaving planter’s on her grave ⁉️⁉️ unless it’s against the cemetery’s rule’s of nothing being left on the grave like flowers or flag’s token’s of any kind ETC because there are some cemetery’s who have that rule I don’t understand the charge unless her father is some kind of big shot where they live or he’s rich and can influence people to do what he want’s ‼️‼️ EXTREMELY SAD SITUATION WHILE MOURNING A LOVED ONE YOU HAVE LOST AND ARE STILL GRIEVING 😢
How did she die? What is the dad's side of this?
That is absolutely insane! Flowers of all things, so what gives that guy the right to keep the engagement ring then? That lady is right I'd be talking to my lawyer and suing him for the ring!
The father definitely has friends in high places. He needs to seriously watch his back and his home.
Sorry for yr loss,condolences 2fam*
The father in law to be is petty, vengeful, narrow minded POS. His actions aren’t Christlike and if you ask me, preclude him from being a reverend. The church elders should be having heart attack serious sit down meetings with this guy and questioning his competency to hold the position of reverend.
Shameful
The fiance is crossing a line here and needs to chill. They were not married, so the gravesite belongs to the family and they decide what to do with it. Him putting big ass flowers pots with pictures of them kissing, highjacking the site is over the top and disrespectful to the family. Putting himself at the center. He's not the only one grieving and the site is not for him to decide how it should be managed. Also, his constant mentioning of being a preacher, sermons, etc. seems like 'faith-washing'. He comes off as sketchy and manipulative. And overly eager to portrait himself as good. Which is always a red or at least pink flag. Banfield, please - a bit more critical sense here and the full picture, if you don't mind. Something's off.
what awful pettiness 😢
Did he just discreetly place flowers? Or did he add that big planter box with the photos on it?
It doesn’t matter. Flowers or planters or photos or whatever isn’t LITTERING!