Have to say goxlr! As a musician too faders nobs are so crucial for me. Love my goxlr just got it couple days ago. Was using Voicemeeter Potato and still do when i take my laptop to my work to connect to another pc but the functionality of the goxlr and the software is amazing. Thanks Harris for another amazing video!
I would go with the GoXLR, no pun intended. It is $220 at Sweetwater and I think it provides a better value than the WaveXLR. The WaveXLR appears to be a stripped down Audient Evo with wave software. To me it is overpriced for what it offers. I would think $149 would be a more fair price and if it had the better inputs.
I hear ya. I collect equipment so I'm not pressed. I got 2 yeti. Snagged a goxlr super cheap recently. Gonna probably grab a sm7b. For those that dont know the TC-helicon (goxlr guys) started beacn. They are showing some promising things. Check em out.
I have the Scarlett. And I couldn’t agree more with how you graded it. It has one job in mind and it does it just fine! I’ve had no issues with my and the light on the gain nob tells me when I’m peaking too much or I’m too turned up too high etc. I would suggest it to anyone with an XLR mic that doesn’t care too much about streaming
I really dig that the hair light has softened and doesn’t cast too many shadows anymore. Thanks for the comparison, I still love my GoXLR for streaming.
I’m not a streamer so for the Focusrite Solo is perfect for me. I have a ElectroVoice RE320 plugged into it and it sounds fantastic out of that little guy. I just needed something to get my mic into my computer for vocal recording and that did the trick. So simple!
I agree! Also appreciate how simple it is to route audio out of the Scarlett and into my studio monitors. Picked up a pair of KRK Rokit 5 Classics recently and it was as simple as plug and play.
That´s the most overrated interface ever, EVO 4 from audient cost same money but does much more than that, it has smart gain, two mic inputs and loopback
I actually bought a Focusrite Solo JUST for the ability to have my headphone volume control on my desk. The ability to use it as a mic interface when I upgrade my mic from a USB mic... is a bonus to me
I love the Elgato XLR, you mentioned you gotta use the mouse, or buttons to control the sliders. I found a neat little work around. I use my old tablet as a third monitor/usb monitor on my pc. So I just project the Wave Software interface to my tablet and turned it into a touch screen GOXLR basically. so I just slide the sliders via touch screen instead of having to tab out to tweek settings. its nice.
That's a brilliant idea, never would've thought of that. I didn't realise you could use a tablet as an extra monitor/extended desktop, is that easy to do? Doesn't have to be a windows tablet does it?
@@beans314 cant post the link, but there is plenty of YT tutorials on how to turn a tablet into a usb monitor. or if you feel like wasting a nice chunk of change, you can get a usb to display port wire.
A VERY IMPORTANT THING, depending on your microphone, with GoXLR vs GoXLR Mini, is the fact that the Mini only has 24v Phantom Power for your condenser mic, should you have one, whereas the GoXLR has full 48v, which is the most common for condenser mics. The GoXLR MINI is the only device NOT providing 48v Phantom power. the GoXLR, the Focusrite Scarlett, The Wave XLR, and the Nexus all provide 48v.
@@maxadrums so it does…….you said it didn’t provide it, not that it did, but you had to do something via the app. Your comment makes it seem like if you have a condenser microphone it won’t work with a go xlr mini which is not the case.
@@confusedannoyed9901 it won’t. And it doesn’t have 48v phantom power. Your two options with the MINI is to have it off, or have 24v phantom power. There is no option for 48v phantom power on the Mini, then you need to buy the full goXLR. At this point I’m starting to think you might be a troll account though, but hopefully some people get something out of this conversation that clears things up. GoXLR Mini: 24v phantom power GoXLR: 48v phantom power. Most condensers will require 48v to work properly.
@@maxadrums agreed, like condenser microphones are able to work on a go xlr mini, I own one and use an at2035 on it and have also used a neat worker bee on it with zero issue and the same sound quality as my wavexlr. Sorry you we’re confused.
I would say the feature you missed was the 1/4" on the Scarlett Solo. Not a common thing for a streamer to want or need, but I was surprised and intrigued that you were including the device at all. There are people out there (even you as a musician) who might want that functionality, even though it is quite budget-level.
One thing would be good to mention that there's been "XLR Interfaces" for over 30 years (modern style for maybe 15-20 years) with good preamps and AD-converters so there's plenty, PLENTY to choose from especially on the used market if you're just looking for a USB interface. It's not just the Focusrite Scarlett.
11:29 So the other thing here that is a dealbreaker for the GoXLR mini for me is that digital knobs that turn forever in both directions work regardless of whether their values change either in the software, or if say your cat walks on the keyboard and changes the value (of a GoXLR fader), and since GoXLR mini faders aren't motorized then you have a discrepancy between the physical fader and its value on the digital side. That to me is a deal breaker and it's something you don't have to deal with, with knobs like the Avermedia option has.
I’ve been considering reasonable upgrades for quite some time, and this helped me have a clearer understanding of the different XLR interface options and why they work for different purposes. Thank you!
My Wave XLR arrives tomorrow...so when I saw this video my first thought was "great, now Harris is gonna tell me I should have just bought a GoXLR instead..." So, happy to see the Wave is actually gets the seal of approval. Extra happy because I'm using it with an MV7. It's like you made this for me... :p
I mean this isn't helpful to everyone BUT I do know some streamers who have a gimmick or a rare stream where they play an instrument, OR where they play Rocksmith while they stream and to those people, the scarlett is of obvious benefit with its ability for you to plug in an instrument with a 1/4 jack
From my advice I'd stay away from the GOXLR Mini. I've read online and experienced it myself, the Mini has no interference plate on the bottom. This means any electrical interference near the device will b picked up by the microphone - I've never been able to remove my hiss from my mic due to this, and it only seems to be getting worse.
Yeah I’ve been using a usb blue yeti and voicemeeter banana for many years now. Tho I have a beringher xeny mixer and audio teknika mic in my basement but no way to connect it to my PC
You should really try the Presonus Revelator, both the mic and the interface. It's basically a Wave mic and a Wave XLR, but with VSTs directly from Presonus.
I like (mostly) the software for the Revelator, however the microphone itself is not that great. I'm hoping they'll go the Wave XLR route and make it available for other microphones
This did help me a lot. Currently using the Scarlet Solo and considered getting the Wave XLR. Still on the consideration list but not a NEED right now.
Harris! I highly recommend the Motu M2 interface. It has a headphone amp that can easily drive high-powered headsets like my Beyerdynamic DT770 250ohm, It has enough power to drive a SM7B without a cloudlifter, and the VU meters in front are very good for watching your clipping. The preamps are very clean with an extremely low noise floor. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it. Especially for $169 dollars. The only complaint I have about it is that there isn't an input blend knob between self-monitoring and the game. That comes on the Motu m4.
I don't know why more people don't talk about it. Dual inputs, plenty of gain for 48v mics, high headphone output power and a 1/4" jack for real headphones. Clean dac. Man I love my Motu M2
@@TearlessGosling It's godly and needs to be talked about more. I wanted to go for the Scarlett 2i2 initially but then I did my research. Such a good bang for your buck!
Note that you ONLY need an interface to your XLR mic if it is Condenser. Dynamic XLR mics do not need an interface and can be directly (through an USB adapter) plugged in to your PC without any loss of quality since they don't need phantom power.
It's definitely not as small as these devices but I would like to see you talk about the rodecaster pro for streaming. They have made changes that make it good for live broadcasting.
I love the rodecaster pro. I use it for podcasting. It's one of the best podcasting audio interface/mixer out there. However, if you want to use multi channel option for OBS, you can't or you have to do a workaround with a plugin. Other than that, it's very useful and very wide.
I use the Rodecaster Pro for streaming. It works really well. I don't care about multichannel into OBS though... I use the Rodecaster's built in audio effects to EQ it.
Imo nothing beats the MG10XU assuming you are willing to learn the ins and outs of the board. Having on-board compression, EQ, panning, a total of 4 mic pre amps with 64 db of gain, 24 on board effects, all for ~$200 and the added cost of having to learn how to use it makes it one of the best interfaces if you want bang for your buck.
Yamaha MG 10XU is still one of my fave devices. Because I've upgraded my audio interface recently, I just use it mainly as a monitor controller for several devices (one of which is my PC) but having the extra inputs has come in handy when the proverbial hits the fan LOL
About two years later, I'd say by now the Wave XLR is elevated to legendary status just from the additions they've made and the additional tools that they've developed. Wave XLR now has built-in VST's that you can add to the Wave Link software on a per-input basis, which means that literally every source of audio can have its own VSTs running. On top of this, they've also released the Stream Deck + which has programmable knobs that you can not only use to adjust the volume of Wave Link, but also use it with a ton of other tools. The increase in overall price to have that functionality would probably be the only detractor, though--$159 for the Wave XLR and $199 for the Stream Deck +. It's worth it if you use it, though.
for something in the price range of a GoXLR, but with WAY more channels and physical faders for each, Tascam Model 12 or 16 is a great option. Class compliant, each input shows up in OBS so no need for extra software, & preamps sound great.
5:50 So two things here-- one statement, one question: 1. The OBS VSTs will be applied to the entirety of the stream audio, not only the microphone. 2. The Wave XLR has clip guard and various low and high pass filters so do we really need a compressor?
i'd love to see an updated version of these or a "setup suggestion per budget bracket" including the Beacn Stuff, and mic suggestions. would be nice for people who are thinking on upgrading their stuff, especially if upgradability was a factor
As someone who doesn't stream the goxlr is perfect. Can plug a good quality mic into it and have physical faders all I would ever need. And it's way cheaper in the eu then in the us it seems.
Thanks for the comparison. I actually purchased the GoXLR Mini a week Prior to the Elgato Wave XLR coming out. After checking your review and others on TH-cam, I returned the GoXLR Mini and picked up the Wave XLR. I LOVE the mixer. It was VERY simple to use (I am no audio engineer) and I just use the reaper OBS plugins for EQ and it works wonderfully.
I currently use the Yamaha MG10XU and though its worked great for years I recently decided to make the switch to the Wave XLR because you can just pass the gaming PCs audio from through the Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk2 into OBS so there is no need for a GO XLR for the dual PC setup. Only reason I could see getting one for is if you want extra control or to be able to talk to people on your gaming PC but 99% of the time I'm in Discord with my friends or viewers on my streaming PC where all of this is hooked up anyways. I definitely think that Elgato should come out with a full on direct competitor to the GoXLR or Beacn with the extra I/O and functionality. Call it the Wave Mixer for let's say $350. It would be sold out instantly.
Harris, you should have tested the Audient Evo 4! It's only 10 bucks more than the Scarlett Solo and it has some more features that benefit streamers, such as loopback and pan monitoring
A solid device. Great functionality pretty intuitive. My only gripe is that it's a bit of a "block". If only it had the inclined format of the Wave XLR
I got a combo of a MOTU M4 audio interface, a KORG Nanokontrol 2 DAW controller, and two Shure Beta 58A microphones. I got so much control on so many channels of audio, using two microphones, two cameras and still… it’s not for everyone. My setup is for control freaks who don’t mind putting work into it. But the outcome in my humble opinion humbles all of the choices in this list.
Definitely helped me out, thinking about doing a Wave XLR with a PC panel for the faders, though I am also waiting to hear see what the Beacn Create has to offer, and maybe it'll give me good reason to use it instead!
If you got a old tablet laying around, you can connect it to your pc using a displayport to usb cord and just slap the Wave XLR panel on it and use it as a touch screen fader. my old samsung tablet that was in the junk drawer is now my dedicated WaveLink interface.
killer function for me is VST support in chain directly in wave software. Set default Mic with FX in windows FOR ALL APPLICATIONS is very very convenient
The one thing about the Wave XLR and Wave Link Software that upsets me is the lack of EQ, and the fact that there isn't a 3rd submix for chat. I'd like to be able to control chat, monitor, and stream separately. I know the GoXLR does it, and I could use that, but the last GoXLR I bought was GARBAGE. Great product if you get a working one, but for some reason it just gave me hell. I switched to a Wave XLR and I love it, I just wish we had those features.
i have many issues too with my Goxlr, it got me nightmares. Touching it with my finger is enough to disconnect or make the application checking an update and i don't know why. The sound of my mic is horrible. I just got the Avermedia Nexus and i don't have these issues anymore.
@@helleborenoire9165 Truthfully the Avermedia Nexus was great for the month I had it. Then Elgato released the promo for their Wave XLR setup, and I was like... "yeah I'ma refund this real quick. " I ended up sending the AverMedia back with the Wave XLR as a replacement, and since then I've loved it. I already had a stream deck, so the Wave XLR paired with that just kind of worked out well for me.
Love the Scarlett- but yeah it’s for music basically. I can plug in mics and DI guitar- run through ProTools or a comparable system it’s great. But that’s really it’s function
I personally use linux for my streaming pc and that limits my options. I can say that my scarlett 2i2 combined with a cheap usb midi mixer works as great as most of the other options, but it is considerably more setup. But i personally find that it works consistently and with incredible os integration, as you can integrate seemlessly.
When I started streaming I just used my studio set up. My Rode Nt1a and Gen 1 Scarlett solo has had people asking if im using a Shure (My mic is offscreen) The fact you just plug a mic into it is perfect. I routed VST's in from my Reaper DAW and tweaked it until it sounded good in monitoring. Compression and gain made up for the shortfall in dB Would take that over getting plug and play/USB for just streaming due to being able to control every single aspect of my mic
the only downside to this list is that the scarlett and the goxlr are the only ones that allow you to have mic side tone and also output to a headphone amp and use audiophile headphones. could have been mentioned and it matters quite a bit.
Love the reviews and the channel, but I thought I should point on you should say the Elgato Wave is the only one that comes with its own software to give you those features. There are other options out there. While I don't disagree with your assessment the the XLR mics offer you more flexibility and options much more easily, you do have other albeit sometimes clunky options out there. ie. I use a Blue Yeti with Audio Hijack and Loopback.
For a traditional mixer I think the best option is the Yamaha AG03 but another device I was interested in is the Tascam MiniStudio. It was discontinued for a while but re-released recently.
Really wish there were more streamer centric interfaces. Seems like your only options are interfaces meant for musicians that don't really have any built in features for live streaming or expensive streamer options like the GoXLR or Avermedia Nexus. The Wave XLR comes so close, I just wish it had a slightly better I/O and that there was a more concrete timeline for when they're finally going to add built in VSTs.
I am happy with Motu M2 + DBX 286s sound quality BUT I can't recommend Motu M2 because it is very unstable on Windows system because of drivers, have some issues on Ryzen 5000 systems (that is more AMD problem, but still) and USB-C just melted on my card so I had to replace it. But some people on forums says that USB temperature is going up to insane 100C, so that's not only my issue, but constructive problem. OSX people happy with it tho.
Its not really the topic of this video, but every feature of the nexus can be added to the focusrite solo with software/additional hardware (routing audio through a DAW, and a macro controller). I'd be interested to see a comparison of one of those DIY set ups vs the more polished all in one solutions here
I got the Focusrite early last year so I can do music stuff at home during lockdown stuff. I've ended up streaming with it, and it works pretty well, nice and simple.
I like my Yamaha AG06. USB mixer. Clean sound and all the inputs/outputs I need. I can hook whatever I want into it and it has phantom power if I need it. I also have a Scarlett solo, but the Yamaha is just better overall. Go XLR is just gimmicky streamer gear to me, especially when there's pro audio equipment for around the same price.
I just got my shure mic so I plan on buying the Elgato xlr. I have 2 stream decks and Elgato foot pedal. Very functional and each button depending on scene or what it may be that impacts audio automatically fades to the corrected inputs and outputs. I need to continue to use all 9 channels for the way i have my stream set up with the use of extra auxiliary’s. I don’t plan on doing a duel pc setup anytime soon being how beefy my current rig is so this is perfect choice for my streaming experience.
13:13 Problem for me. maybe. Wave XLR not having line out. At first I thought this might be a deal breaker but why's it a problem? You can just put a 3.5mm cable from the line out of your game PC to the line in of your streaming PC. Why would you need Voicemeeter? You can just add line in as an audio input on your OBS on game PC? Would love to hear why this won't work?
Not sure how you're audio monitor is setup on the nexus i.e. is there some sort of "monitor out" jack that you can plug your headphones into? If this is the case, could the hiss you hear in your headphones and not in the recording be from a ground loop?
I really prefer the MG10XU to any of the streamer specific interfaces, but my audio is coming from several different sources (more than the GoXLR can handle). Really weak preamps though, a cloudlifter is required for most dynamic mics.
Hey Harris!! Great comparison! Though I am surprised you didn't wait to add the new Beacon products coming. However, if I had to pick a device you missed, I'd recommend the Evo 4/8 Audio Interface from Audient. They have a great form factor similar to the Wave XLR, but are between the Wave and the Solo as far as features. More I/O option than both. And cheaper than the GoXLR and even the the Evo4 is same as the Solo with better features. Thanks for the great video
The Wave XLR does support plugins, at least now it does. Not sure what update introduced them. I currently have a noise gate and a couple other plugins working perfectly through the interface
I have a Focusrite 2i2, and I have the same hiss sound. It REALLY struggles when it's plugged in to your PC. If I simply bump the interface itself, my PC blue screens.
Try it on a different PC. If it works out and doesn't bluescreen you have USB bus issues. The hiss you hear is usually from electrical noise interference. That's why high gain causes the same hiss to get a bit louder.
I'm glad I watched your video. I was thinking of buying an XLR mic and interface. But it looks like I'll hold off on buying one until you have a review on what BEACN has to offer.
OK, I left my first comment early in the video, and as someone who uses a Focusrite set up, I think you spent a lot of time talking about the software for every other device and didn't ONCE mention Focusrite's "Focusrite Control" software which will give you metering, sub-mixes, presets... You owe the Scarlett line a better shot than what you gave it.
That software confuses me… I love my Scarlett but for streaming I have trouble with controlling teammate chat to the stream but keeping it in my headphones
What about the Zoom PodTrak P4 Podcast Recorder? It has 2 in 2 out for XLR, can be used as a standalone recorder, or an audio interface, and has 70db of gain on its pre-amp. Has nobs, and 4 programmable buttons. I think the only thing it's missing is submix which might be a deal breaker for some, but it might be a great option for others. The availability to record on it's own can come handy for youtube videos as well especially if you're recording in a space away from your computer.
Haha using Scarlet solo 3 for an year already, easy for everything, why you should pay around twice more to have features what you using 1 time per day, what can be used in main menu or desktop for same 1 time a day🤦♂️ and still price is everything for new steamer or starting musicians🤷♂️ 24/192 is still great for this price point
Thank you for the video. Please consider doing a software based video like this, assuming there's content. I have simple needs, send my gaming PC mic audio to my streaming PC without extra hardware. Voice Meter works, but it's a bit overkill for that application, can be tricky to setup for some, and it's constantly breaking due to various system updates. Maybe ask Elgato if they're working on something? :)
Love ya man! I’ve been trying to decide between the GoXLR and the Elgato for starting streaming, so it was nice to see some other options too. Definitely leaning towards the GoXLR Something about having the analog hardware faders in front of me really tickles my audio engineerhood. Feels quicker too. I can hopefully do without submixes. Happy streaming!
For those of you that aren't audiophiles, general rule of thumb is, every 3+ decibels is twice as loud. So the difference between 42db and 60db, is a drastic difference.
You went in to it a bit and some interfaces have really good headphone amps and 48v amps to power the harder microphones like SM7B. When people cheap out they can miss alot when going with a cheaper interface, cheap headphones and go for a expensive microphone, in my world it's better to start with a good foundation and get the better microphone later because you can get to 85% of what the Shure SM7B give you for alot less with some tweaking.
Great video as always Harris! I just got the Wave XLR as well and to be honest.. as soon as they add some VST controls of some sort. It is hands down my favorite.
Ok so this may be my biased OCDness (running an avermedia mic) buttt if avermedia where to update the software In the future, this would potentially change ??
Gonna have to redo this whole freaking video when the Beacn Create is finally launched. That thing looks dope. Which device is your favorite?
So no Nexus update? Because I think I'm going to love it.
Motu M2/M4 lineup are easily my favorite for audio interfaces. You should give them a look, definitely a better interface than the scarlett.
Have to say goxlr! As a musician too faders nobs are so crucial for me. Love my goxlr just got it couple days ago. Was using Voicemeeter Potato and still do when i take my laptop to my work to connect to another pc but the functionality of the goxlr and the software is amazing. Thanks Harris for another amazing video!
Have you heard of the Presonus Revelator IO24 ? It looks promising on paper!
I would go with the GoXLR, no pun intended. It is $220 at Sweetwater and I think it provides a better value than the WaveXLR. The WaveXLR appears to be a stripped down Audient Evo with wave software. To me it is overpriced for what it offers. I would think $149 would be a more fair price and if it had the better inputs.
I'm still holding out for what BEACN has to offer - I have high hopes.
Haven't heard of that one. What's it going to be?
@beacn
same! but I hope we don't need to wait too much longer for details, I've been in the market for an interface for AGES now, haha
Is there a link to the site for this new product coming out soon? I cant find it online.
I hear ya. I collect equipment so I'm not pressed. I got 2 yeti. Snagged a goxlr super cheap recently. Gonna probably grab a sm7b. For those that dont know the TC-helicon (goxlr guys) started beacn. They are showing some promising things. Check em out.
thank you for diving into the content without having fillers or a 5 min commercial about how well you’re doing farming us. respect you harris
I have the Scarlett. And I couldn’t agree more with how you graded it. It has one job in mind and it does it just fine! I’ve had no issues with my and the light on the gain nob tells me when I’m peaking too much or I’m too turned up too high etc. I would suggest it to anyone with an XLR mic that doesn’t care too much about streaming
I really dig that the hair light has softened and doesn’t cast too many shadows anymore. Thanks for the comparison, I still love my GoXLR for streaming.
I’m not a streamer so for the Focusrite Solo is perfect for me. I have a ElectroVoice RE320 plugged into it and it sounds fantastic out of that little guy. I just needed something to get my mic into my computer for vocal recording and that did the trick. So simple!
That’s a great combo !!
I agree! Also appreciate how simple it is to route audio out of the Scarlett and into my studio monitors. Picked up a pair of KRK Rokit 5 Classics recently and it was as simple as plug and play.
I almost like Re20 with scarlet better than Shure sm7b and cloud lifter better. Shure pics up my cello really wel. I game and play music on stream !
That´s the most overrated interface ever, EVO 4 from audient cost same money but does much more than that, it has smart gain, two mic inputs and loopback
I actually bought a Focusrite Solo JUST for the ability to have my headphone volume control on my desk. The ability to use it as a mic interface when I upgrade my mic from a USB mic... is a bonus to me
I love the idea of a hardware slider instead of a software controlled one, even if it takes up more space
Yea because i don’t want to have to keep scrolling through different apps it takes too much time
I'm buying the Wave XLR -- This was the video that convinced me. Thanks Harris for clear, entertaining, and honest gear reviews. I love your channel.
Thanks!
I love the Elgato XLR, you mentioned you gotta use the mouse, or buttons to control the sliders. I found a neat little work around. I use my old tablet as a third monitor/usb monitor on my pc. So I just project the Wave Software interface to my tablet and turned it into a touch screen GOXLR basically. so I just slide the sliders via touch screen instead of having to tab out to tweek settings. its nice.
That's a brilliant idea, never would've thought of that. I didn't realise you could use a tablet as an extra monitor/extended desktop, is that easy to do? Doesn't have to be a windows tablet does it?
@@lachlanbell8390 nope. I use one of those small android tablets.
@@pepsilove6306 how'd you do that?
@@beans314 cant post the link, but there is plenty of YT tutorials on how to turn a tablet into a usb monitor. or if you feel like wasting a nice chunk of change, you can get a usb to display port wire.
A VERY IMPORTANT THING, depending on your microphone, with GoXLR vs GoXLR Mini, is the fact that the Mini only has 24v Phantom Power for your condenser mic, should you have one, whereas the GoXLR has full 48v, which is the most common for condenser mics.
The GoXLR MINI is the only device NOT providing 48v Phantom power.
the GoXLR, the Focusrite Scarlett, The Wave XLR, and the Nexus all provide 48v.
What are you talking about? The mini has 48v phantom power
@@confusedannoyed9901 It does not. Read the manual. "Phantom power +24 V, switchable via control app"
@@maxadrums so it does…….you said it didn’t provide it, not that it did, but you had to do something via the app. Your comment makes it seem like if you have a condenser microphone it won’t work with a go xlr mini which is not the case.
@@confusedannoyed9901 it won’t. And it doesn’t have 48v phantom power. Your two options with the MINI is to have it off, or have 24v phantom power. There is no option for 48v phantom power on the Mini, then you need to buy the full goXLR.
At this point I’m starting to think you might be a troll account though, but hopefully some people get something out of this conversation that clears things up.
GoXLR Mini: 24v phantom power
GoXLR: 48v phantom power.
Most condensers will require 48v to work properly.
@@maxadrums agreed, like condenser microphones are able to work on a go xlr mini, I own one and use an at2035 on it and have also used a neat worker bee on it with zero issue and the same sound quality as my wavexlr. Sorry you we’re confused.
I would say the feature you missed was the 1/4" on the Scarlett Solo. Not a common thing for a streamer to want or need, but I was surprised and intrigued that you were including the device at all. There are people out there (even you as a musician) who might want that functionality, even though it is quite budget-level.
One thing would be good to mention that there's been "XLR Interfaces" for over 30 years (modern style for maybe 15-20 years) with good preamps and AD-converters so there's plenty, PLENTY to choose from especially on the used market if you're just looking for a USB interface. It's not just the Focusrite Scarlett.
11:29 So the other thing here that is a dealbreaker for the GoXLR mini for me is that digital knobs that turn forever in both directions work regardless of whether their values change either in the software, or if say your cat walks on the keyboard and changes the value (of a GoXLR fader), and since GoXLR mini faders aren't motorized then you have a discrepancy between the physical fader and its value on the digital side. That to me is a deal breaker and it's something you don't have to deal with, with knobs like the Avermedia option has.
I’ve been considering reasonable upgrades for quite some time, and this helped me have a clearer understanding of the different XLR interface options and why they work for different purposes. Thank you!
My Wave XLR arrives tomorrow...so when I saw this video my first thought was "great, now Harris is gonna tell me I should have just bought a GoXLR instead..."
So, happy to see the Wave is actually gets the seal of approval. Extra happy because I'm using it with an MV7. It's like you made this for me... :p
old comment but how did you like the wave xlr? still using it?
I mean this isn't helpful to everyone BUT I do know some streamers who have a gimmick or a rare stream where they play an instrument, OR where they play Rocksmith while they stream and to those people, the scarlett is of obvious benefit with its ability for you to plug in an instrument with a 1/4 jack
I use the SSL2 USB interface the one with 2 inputs
Awesome, insights! I've just entered this market and this info was KEY
From my advice I'd stay away from the GOXLR Mini. I've read online and experienced it myself, the Mini has no interference plate on the bottom. This means any electrical interference near the device will b picked up by the microphone - I've never been able to remove my hiss from my mic due to this, and it only seems to be getting worse.
Just upgraded from my Scarlet Focusrite solo to the wave xlr! Couldnt be happier 😁
I’m doing the same! I need that audio control for my teammates ! Have you researched if it’s better than the goxlr?
@@andrewkromholz4434 short answer, if you aren’t planning on getting a 2 PC setup, 1000% do it its so useful and cheap compared to the goxlr
The Elgato is appealing, but until they make an interface with multiple inputs/outputs I'll be staying with a Focusrite and Voicemeter Bannana.
Yeah I’ve been using a usb blue yeti and voicemeeter banana for many years now. Tho I have a beringher xeny mixer and audio teknika mic in my basement but no way to connect it to my PC
You should really try the Presonus Revelator, both the mic and the interface. It's basically a Wave mic and a Wave XLR, but with VSTs directly from Presonus.
I like (mostly) the software for the Revelator, however the microphone itself is not that great. I'm hoping they'll go the Wave XLR route and make it available for other microphones
@@Vertshark The already did, Revelator io24, basically a Wave XLR
@@Camilink94 One up on it with two XLR inputs. Also like the individual control for phantom power for each input
This did help me a lot. Currently using the Scarlet Solo and considered getting the Wave XLR. Still on the consideration list but not a NEED right now.
I got the scarlet solo for my birthday and I love it too
Harris! I highly recommend the Motu M2 interface. It has a headphone amp that can easily drive high-powered headsets like my Beyerdynamic DT770 250ohm, It has enough power to drive a SM7B without a cloudlifter, and the VU meters in front are very good for watching your clipping. The preamps are very clean with an extremely low noise floor. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it. Especially for $169 dollars. The only complaint I have about it is that there isn't an input blend knob between self-monitoring and the game. That comes on the Motu m4.
I don't know why more people don't talk about it. Dual inputs, plenty of gain for 48v mics, high headphone output power and a 1/4" jack for real headphones. Clean dac. Man I love my Motu M2
@@TearlessGosling It's godly and needs to be talked about more. I wanted to go for the Scarlett 2i2 initially but then I did my research. Such a good bang for your buck!
Note that you ONLY need an interface to your XLR mic if it is Condenser. Dynamic XLR mics do not need an interface and can be directly (through an USB adapter) plugged in to your PC without any loss of quality since they don't need phantom power.
Don’t do that, they lose a considerable amount of sound quality that way.
It's definitely not as small as these devices but I would like to see you talk about the rodecaster pro for streaming. They have made changes that make it good for live broadcasting.
I love the rodecaster pro. I use it for podcasting. It's one of the best podcasting audio interface/mixer out there. However, if you want to use multi channel option for OBS, you can't or you have to do a workaround with a plugin. Other than that, it's very useful and very wide.
I use the Rodecaster Pro for streaming. It works really well. I don't care about multichannel into OBS though... I use the Rodecaster's built in audio effects to EQ it.
@@heyjaywilson To each it's own. I agree the EQ on it is great.
I just said this
Imo nothing beats the MG10XU assuming you are willing to learn the ins and outs of the board. Having on-board compression, EQ, panning, a total of 4 mic pre amps with 64 db of gain, 24 on board effects, all for ~$200 and the added cost of having to learn how to use it makes it one of the best interfaces if you want bang for your buck.
Yamaha MG 10XU is still one of my fave devices. Because I've upgraded my audio interface recently, I just use it mainly as a monitor controller for several devices (one of which is my PC) but having the extra inputs has come in handy when the proverbial hits the fan LOL
About two years later, I'd say by now the Wave XLR is elevated to legendary status just from the additions they've made and the additional tools that they've developed.
Wave XLR now has built-in VST's that you can add to the Wave Link software on a per-input basis, which means that literally every source of audio can have its own VSTs running. On top of this, they've also released the Stream Deck + which has programmable knobs that you can not only use to adjust the volume of Wave Link, but also use it with a ton of other tools.
The increase in overall price to have that functionality would probably be the only detractor, though--$159 for the Wave XLR and $199 for the Stream Deck +. It's worth it if you use it, though.
for something in the price range of a GoXLR, but with WAY more channels and physical faders for each, Tascam Model 12 or 16 is a great option. Class compliant, each input shows up in OBS so no need for extra software, & preamps sound great.
Yeah those are dope
I've got the full-size GoXLR, and I absolutely adore it. Wouldn't trade it for the world at this point.
5:50 So two things here-- one statement, one question: 1. The OBS VSTs will be applied to the entirety of the stream audio, not only the microphone. 2. The Wave XLR has clip guard and various low and high pass filters so do we really need a compressor?
i'd love to see an updated version of these or a "setup suggestion per budget bracket" including the Beacn Stuff, and mic suggestions.
would be nice for people who are thinking on upgrading their stuff, especially if upgradability was a factor
As someone who doesn't stream the goxlr is perfect. Can plug a good quality mic into it and have physical faders all I would ever need. And it's way cheaper in the eu then in the us it seems.
Thanks for the comparison. I actually purchased the GoXLR Mini a week Prior to the Elgato Wave XLR coming out. After checking your review and others on TH-cam, I returned the GoXLR Mini and picked up the Wave XLR. I LOVE the mixer. It was VERY simple to use (I am no audio engineer) and I just use the reaper OBS plugins for EQ and it works wonderfully.
I currently use the Yamaha MG10XU and though its worked great for years I recently decided to make the switch to the Wave XLR because you can just pass the gaming PCs audio from through the Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk2 into OBS so there is no need for a GO XLR for the dual PC setup.
Only reason I could see getting one for is if you want extra control or to be able to talk to people on your gaming PC but 99% of the time I'm in Discord with my friends or viewers on my streaming PC where all of this is hooked up anyways.
I definitely think that Elgato should come out with a full on direct competitor to the GoXLR or Beacn with the extra I/O and functionality. Call it the Wave Mixer for let's say $350. It would be sold out instantly.
I really prefer the wave xlr because of it's functionality and simplicity plus how compact it is
wave mic arm review??
Would love to know if they’ve fixed any of the Nexus issues.
Great video, thanks for making it :)
Harris, you should have tested the Audient Evo 4! It's only 10 bucks more than the Scarlett Solo and it has some more features that benefit streamers, such as loopback and pan monitoring
A solid device. Great functionality pretty intuitive. My only gripe is that it's a bit of a "block". If only it had the inclined format of the Wave XLR
I had absolutely no idea what to look for in an interface...so this definitely helped a ton!!!
I got a combo of a MOTU M4 audio interface, a KORG Nanokontrol 2 DAW controller, and two Shure Beta 58A microphones. I got so much control on so many channels of audio, using two microphones, two cameras and still… it’s not for everyone. My setup is for control freaks who don’t mind putting work into it. But the outcome in my humble opinion humbles all of the choices in this list.
Definitely helped me out, thinking about doing a Wave XLR with a PC panel for the faders, though I am also waiting to hear see what the Beacn Create has to offer, and maybe it'll give me good reason to use it instead!
If you got a old tablet laying around, you can connect it to your pc using a displayport to usb cord and just slap the Wave XLR panel on it and use it as a touch screen fader. my old samsung tablet that was in the junk drawer is now my dedicated WaveLink interface.
killer function for me is VST support in chain directly in wave software. Set default Mic with FX in windows FOR ALL APPLICATIONS is very very convenient
Review the Audient Evo 4 already! Seems to be the combination between the Scarlett and the Wave XLR with 2 XLR inputs!
From my understanding, the Evo 4 is just a portable version of the Focusrite 2i2.
@@ThexAlien It seems to have a better sound and 2 XLR inputs for very little more money. Seems to be the better buy.
Been looking at the Wave and GOXLR for a bit now. Probably gonna go with the wave. the software looks solid and the hardware looks simple enough.
Cool story about Reaper, it's developed by the same people who made Winamp back in the day. In other words, it kicks the llama's ass.
The one thing about the Wave XLR and Wave Link Software that upsets me is the lack of EQ, and the fact that there isn't a 3rd submix for chat. I'd like to be able to control chat, monitor, and stream separately. I know the GoXLR does it, and I could use that, but the last GoXLR I bought was GARBAGE. Great product if you get a working one, but for some reason it just gave me hell. I switched to a Wave XLR and I love it, I just wish we had those features.
i have many issues too with my Goxlr, it got me nightmares. Touching it with my finger is enough to disconnect or make the application checking an update and i don't know why. The sound of my mic is horrible. I just got the Avermedia Nexus and i don't have these issues anymore.
@@helleborenoire9165 Truthfully the Avermedia Nexus was great for the month I had it. Then Elgato released the promo for their Wave XLR setup, and I was like... "yeah I'ma refund this real quick. "
I ended up sending the AverMedia back with the Wave XLR as a replacement, and since then I've loved it. I already had a stream deck, so the Wave XLR paired with that just kind of worked out well for me.
Love the Scarlett- but yeah it’s for music basically. I can plug in mics and DI guitar- run through ProTools or a comparable system it’s great. But that’s really it’s function
I personally use linux for my streaming pc and that limits my options. I can say that my scarlett 2i2 combined with a cheap usb midi mixer works as great as most of the other options, but it is considerably more setup. But i personally find that it works consistently and with incredible os integration, as you can integrate seemlessly.
Nice choice on background music! That is one of my fav Streambeats!
When I started streaming I just used my studio set up. My Rode Nt1a and Gen 1 Scarlett solo has had people asking if im using a Shure (My mic is offscreen)
The fact you just plug a mic into it is perfect. I routed VST's in from my Reaper DAW and tweaked it until it sounded good in monitoring. Compression and gain made up for the shortfall in dB
Would take that over getting plug and play/USB for just streaming due to being able to control every single aspect of my mic
the only downside to this list is that the scarlett and the goxlr are the only ones that allow you to have mic side tone and also output to a headphone amp and use audiophile headphones. could have been mentioned and it matters quite a bit.
This is not a joke but I've been doing a deep dive into this very subject for the last 2 weeks!
Follow up: seriously glad this video exist and I agree with the scores given to each product at the conclusion
Just curious. 1 year later, what did you go with?
@elm0jon I didn't end up getting a XLR interface. My HyperX solocast is great and I've been able to EQ my mic for streaming in OBS
Love the reviews and the channel, but I thought I should point on you should say the Elgato Wave is the only one that comes with its own software to give you those features. There are other options out there. While I don't disagree with your assessment the the XLR mics offer you more flexibility and options much more easily, you do have other albeit sometimes clunky options out there. ie. I use a Blue Yeti with Audio Hijack and Loopback.
For a traditional mixer I think the best option is the Yamaha AG03 but another device I was interested in is the Tascam MiniStudio. It was discontinued for a while but re-released recently.
Really wish there were more streamer centric interfaces. Seems like your only options are interfaces meant for musicians that don't really have any built in features for live streaming or expensive streamer options like the GoXLR or Avermedia Nexus. The Wave XLR comes so close, I just wish it had a slightly better I/O and that there was a more concrete timeline for when they're finally going to add built in VSTs.
I am happy with Motu M2 + DBX 286s sound quality BUT I can't recommend Motu M2 because it is very unstable on Windows system because of drivers, have some issues on Ryzen 5000 systems (that is more AMD problem, but still) and USB-C just melted on my card so I had to replace it. But some people on forums says that USB temperature is going up to insane 100C, so that's not only my issue, but constructive problem. OSX people happy with it tho.
Thanks bro I value your audio equipment knowledge and experience. I'll get the Go-XLR.
Thanks! Now I will seriously consider using the Elgato Wave hardware! 🙏
The Wave XLR in my shopping cart loves this video.
Its not really the topic of this video, but every feature of the nexus can be added to the focusrite solo with software/additional hardware (routing audio through a DAW, and a macro controller). I'd be interested to see a comparison of one of those DIY set ups vs the more polished all in one solutions here
The Scarlett solo with voicemeeter helps it out quite a bit
I got the Focusrite early last year so I can do music stuff at home during lockdown stuff. I've ended up streaming with it, and it works pretty well, nice and simple.
Who has the top EQ?
I like my Yamaha AG06. USB mixer. Clean sound and all the inputs/outputs I need. I can hook whatever I want into it and it has phantom power if I need it. I also have a Scarlett solo, but the Yamaha is just better overall. Go XLR is just gimmicky streamer gear to me, especially when there's pro audio equipment for around the same price.
i like how the AVerMedia Livestreamer Nexus has a Line out for Audience for a second PC
I just got my shure mic so I plan on buying the Elgato xlr. I have 2 stream decks and Elgato foot pedal. Very functional and each button depending on scene or what it may be that impacts audio automatically fades to the corrected inputs and outputs. I need to continue to use all 9 channels for the way i have my stream set up with the use of extra auxiliary’s. I don’t plan on doing a duel pc setup anytime soon being how beefy my current rig is so this is perfect choice for my streaming experience.
13:13 Problem for me. maybe. Wave XLR not having line out. At first I thought this might be a deal breaker but why's it a problem? You can just put a 3.5mm cable from the line out of your game PC to the line in of your streaming PC. Why would you need Voicemeeter? You can just add line in as an audio input on your OBS on game PC? Would love to hear why this won't work?
Great video Harris!! Sam, awesome job on edits as always!!!! Or Scott. Lol love ya guys keep it up!!
Not sure how you're audio monitor is setup on the nexus i.e. is there some sort of "monitor out" jack that you can plug your headphones into? If this is the case, could the hiss you hear in your headphones and not in the recording be from a ground loop?
I really prefer the MG10XU to any of the streamer specific interfaces, but my audio is coming from several different sources (more than the GoXLR can handle). Really weak preamps though, a cloudlifter is required for most dynamic mics.
Hey Harris!! Great comparison! Though I am surprised you didn't wait to add the new Beacon products coming.
However, if I had to pick a device you missed, I'd recommend the Evo 4/8 Audio Interface from Audient. They have a great form factor similar to the Wave XLR, but are between the Wave and the Solo as far as features. More I/O option than both. And cheaper than the GoXLR and even the the Evo4 is same as the Solo with better features. Thanks for the great video
Audient ID4 - ID14 interfaces not in the mix?
03:52 Man that background tho, kind a spooky for me😁
I would love too see a comparsion to voicemeeter. Alternatively also interesting could be the Soundcraft UI series or the new mackie onyx mixer
Was thinking of getting go xlr but I wasn’t aware of the submix issue. Thanks
The Wave XLR does support plugins, at least now it does. Not sure what update introduced them. I currently have a noise gate and a couple other plugins working perfectly through the interface
I have a Focusrite 2i2, and I have the same hiss sound. It REALLY struggles when it's plugged in to your PC. If I simply bump the interface itself, my PC blue screens.
Try it on a different PC. If it works out and doesn't bluescreen you have USB bus issues. The hiss you hear is usually from electrical noise interference. That's why high gain causes the same hiss to get a bit louder.
@@scottschmidt9292 did the same thing on 2 other pc's.
I'm glad I watched your video. I was thinking of buying an XLR mic and interface. But it looks like I'll hold off on buying one until you have a review on what BEACN has to offer.
OK, I left my first comment early in the video, and as someone who uses a Focusrite set up, I think you spent a lot of time talking about the software for every other device and didn't ONCE mention Focusrite's "Focusrite Control" software which will give you metering, sub-mixes, presets...
You owe the Scarlett line a better shot than what you gave it.
i was about to say that on my own little comment. it isnt the best software but they do have one and he didnt mention it at all
That software confuses me… I love my Scarlett but for streaming I have trouble with controlling teammate chat to the stream but keeping it in my headphones
@@andrewkromholz4434 does your scarlet have the loop channel?
@@JerridFoiles yes!
I am a drum streamer with a large kit, so I actually use a Scarlett 18i20 with an Octo Pre for 16 channels and I use 13 of them. LOL
What about the Zoom PodTrak P4 Podcast Recorder? It has 2 in 2 out for XLR, can be used as a standalone recorder, or an audio interface, and has 70db of gain on its pre-amp. Has nobs, and 4 programmable buttons. I think the only thing it's missing is submix which might be a deal breaker for some, but it might be a great option for others. The availability to record on it's own can come handy for youtube videos as well especially if you're recording in a space away from your computer.
Haha using Scarlet solo 3 for an year already, easy for everything, why you should pay around twice more to have features what you using 1 time per day, what can be used in main menu or desktop for same 1 time a day🤦♂️ and still price is everything for new steamer or starting musicians🤷♂️ 24/192 is still great for this price point
I just got the yamaha AG03 and I love it. It has everything I was looking in a interface/mixer, Comp, EQ and effects.
The title of the fake twitch stream was GOLD. Give Sam and Scott a raise!
get this man 1 million subs!
I think the Native Instruments komplete audio 1 is also really good,as a budget option
bruh what are the odds i legit JUST started searching for audio interfaces to use on my stream and you post this 😂😂😂
Thank you for the video. Please consider doing a software based video like this, assuming there's content. I have simple needs, send my gaming PC mic audio to my streaming PC without extra hardware. Voice Meter works, but it's a bit overkill for that application, can be tricky to setup for some, and it's constantly breaking due to various system updates. Maybe ask Elgato if they're working on something? :)
You are missing the MOTU M2 interface beats all of those in DAC heaphone sound quality.
I couldn't help but notice you have an ernieball musicman majesty. wow
Love ya man! I’ve been trying to decide between the GoXLR and the Elgato for starting streaming, so it was nice to see some other options too. Definitely leaning towards the GoXLR Something about having the analog hardware faders in front of me really tickles my audio engineerhood. Feels quicker too. I can hopefully do without submixes. Happy streaming!
Same here but I’ll go with the goxlr mini
But for record singing what is the right choose?
GoXLR's last update was April 14th 2021.
I would have been interested to see the Rodecaster Pro audio interface in this video.
You should do a budget comparison. The M-Audio M-track duo. $70 xlr audio interface. This thing is amazing!
For those of you that aren't audiophiles, general rule of thumb is, every 3+ decibels is twice as loud. So the difference between 42db and 60db, is a drastic difference.
You went in to it a bit and some interfaces have really good headphone amps and 48v amps to power the harder microphones like SM7B.
When people cheap out they can miss alot when going with a cheaper interface, cheap headphones and go for a expensive microphone, in my world it's better to start with a good foundation and get the better microphone later because you can get to 85% of what the Shure SM7B give you for alot less with some tweaking.
Great video as always Harris!
I just got the Wave XLR as well and to be honest.. as soon as they add some VST controls of some sort. It is hands down my favorite.
Edit: Production is on another level. Way to make me feel bad haha
Ok so this may be my biased OCDness (running an avermedia mic) buttt if avermedia where to update the software In the future, this would potentially change ??