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The more I think of Ultimate Mewtwo, the more I realize how much his broken airdodge from SSB4 carried that character. One simple change made a day and night difference to his disadvantage; from a character that skips disadvantage, to a character that must now feel the full pain of being a large, lightweight character.
That's the main one but the old Confusion, Teleport and Nair helped a lot in disadvantage too imo they should've only nerfed airdodge as that was unhealthy and degenerate for the game but the rest are needed because of the character archetype unless you want to gut the character
@@armandomorfin3845 Teleport got heavily buffed in Ultimate, old Confusion will only slightly buff his disadvantage, and old nair only really helps him in combo/neutral scenarios rather than disadvantage.
Mewtwo main here (both Smash 4 and Ultimate) You pretty much nailed it. Airdodge in Smash 4 carried Mewtwo HARD and removing it forces them to have to deal with their awful disadvantage state. Sure, the tail hurt box being larger is obviously an issue, but only if you're being too reckless and throwing it out when you really shouldn't and I honestly rarely encounter hurtbox issues anymore. Same can't be said about no longer being able to spam airdodge. You're gonna get comboed every game unless you never get hit directly The numerous buffs mostly everything else are nice at least (especially Shadow Ball) ^_^
@@the_bookworm8281 When I say Teleport I mostly mean the traction overall being lower to ledge cancel slightly easier, Confusion momentum is hugely underrated for the utility/landing mix ups it provided, Nair's bigger hitboxes being able to challenge other moves from juggles I feel like definitely counts as part of disadvantage
And my main character get bullied by Brawl after they replaced iconic b-down tornado to weak spitty water SMS Shihh after he was mid tier in melee but brawl one get down fall as hell
Kirby for sure.. First character that came into mind after reading the title. Everyone misses that old Kirby. I dont understand Sakurai for real... Kirby is such an iconic character in Smash and his creator does not help with it... :(
Man, what they did to Marth twice was unholy. At least in Smash 4 he blends in so well with the physics after all the buffs he got, but in Smash Ultimate, he doesn’t blend in at all. The Hero-King needs some real justice for this.
They made Ultimate into Melee but for casuals, so Marth can never be good since techniques were what made him good and they removed every universal and character specific technique in Ultimate
That's the thing, Smash Ultimate Marth and Smash 4 Roy are complete opposites. SSBU Marth is a Smash 4 character trapped in SSBU physics, while Smash 4 Roy is a SSBU character trapped in SSB4 physics.
Poor Marth, they keep nerfing tipper each installment whether directly or indirectly. Ult tipper is the most inconsistent shit in the game yet they insisted they fixed it in a patch. Instead of being rewarded for good spacing, you're only rewarded like 70% of the time.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that noticed the Kirby characters being one of best characters in their Smash debut and then one of them gets a significant nerf in the next title and has never been the same since.
Kinda surprised ICs weren't mentioned. I knwo they weren't in 4, but theyre a menace in Melee and the 2nd best in brawl behind meta knight, and then in ultimate theyre just mid.
12:30 I saw that sweat slayer lmao Ain’t no way Ryu even close to that. Maybe pre patch ultimate But hell naw They nerfed shoryu but gave him good compensation Made him actually cool unlike Ken
Commenting before watching the video: I’m 99.99% sure that 64 Kirby to Melee Kirby will be mentioned. Edit: Glad to know I was right, despite it being unfortunate for my boy.
The more I play Ult the more I realize how pointless it is to play Marth competitively (if we go by on paper). I don't understand how the development team allows Chroy to have their Jab confirms but then they remove Marth's? Then they barely fix tippers besides a few tilts and aerials, but they weren't even close to being enough. Then Sakurai gonna whip out the lame "everyone is indeed balanced" excuse from quickplay results... Like dude... no. Just no. What is so wrong with buffing Marth's actual kill moves like Down Smash and Dancing Blade? Why couldn't he get his jab confirm back during his patch notes? Why was his Fair so nerfed to the ground? It should be way better at combos with the sour spot, considering how he was in earlier games... and Cloud and Corrin get THEIR forward airs to be combo starters that deal massive damage but not Marth? Wtf? Like of course I still enjoy the character but if they don't fix him in the next game Imma riot and I may not even buy it. Once Kazuya dropped I expected Marth to get heavy buffs but of course not. I was already losing interest in Ult and my fave char not getting anything he needed to be good just makes things so much worse. Marth just needs a rework at this rate.
chrom has a jab confirm while Marth doesnt likely because Marths has two hits and chrom only has the one. You’re supposed to use both jabs with marth to send them away but with chrom you’re supposed to use the one because it was made to combo
Who edits this?? Imagine the databank of smash tournaments you need to have to find clips of every move specifically being used in tournament and knowing where to find it
Pit- from a retro pick that was exclusively that to now where his 2013 game shook Smash to its fuckin foundation. Over 100 things from 1 singular game? Thankfully it’s dead and not coming back, but still…
Kirby's an excellent example of what power creep is. Oversimplifying what makes Kirby good in 64, he was good in smash 64 because every character in that game had awful recoveries except for him and Pikachu. And Pikachu was a problem matchup for him. On top of nerfing him, he was generally just strong in things that were really strong with 64's system mechanics, like playing a solid defensive game. But then Melee has a meta revolving around fast paced characters. Its defensive characters either have excellent air speeds or solid projectiles, which Kirby has neither of. In Brawl and every game after, literally every character can recover well, which basically nails the only defining strength of the character into redundancy. That's WITHOUT mentioning the nerfs he got to everything. I'm saying that if Kirby didn't get any direct nerfs to his moves or stats from 64 (universal nerfs and system mechanics still apply), then he still would not have been nearly as oppressive.
Man they just don't know what to do with King Dedede, he had one decent presence in Brawl in part thanks to chain grab and after that he's just been chilling with Kirby at the bottom tiers. In fact a lot of "Kings" in Smash are or have been at the bottom tier, Sakurai HATES monarchies.
I feel like you understated just how bad Kirby's melee throws were. You didn't even have to mash, getting out of his forward and back throws was as simple as pressing the jump button.
The decisions made with mewtwo in ultimate didn’t make any sense. Making his whole tail a hurtbox is crazy. Smash 4 mewtwo was really good without being toxic so why nerf him into the ground on the next game?
Never played melee or brawl but smash 4 Falco was my main and man I felt so free with that character. Felt like I could do whatever I wanted, hate his ultimate version tho, but then again I just don't like ultimate
I thought Smash 4 Bayo to early Ultimate Bayo would get on the list. Bayo might be good now, but before she got buffed in patch notes, she was pretty mid.
Sakuri nerfed his characters because he don’t wanna be looking he’s showing basis. It’s like the coach who’s rougher on his own kids than the rest of the team. Well not right away anyways,
Kirby deserves a lot of changes to make him competitively viable. Hell, more references to his abilities could solve his range issues while giving him powerful new tools. I just hope he can improve from being low tier man
Mewtwo mains have to slingshot in order to manage that tail, but really a general lack of movement tech is holding him back. He actually has an absurd punish game littered with ToDs.
Surprised not to see Ryu on here, even though he's much better now especially through patches, he did get some pretty severe nerfs between 4 and launch Ultimate. Very surprised you didn't mention it once in the video.
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Kirby, it's not even close. 64 2nd best to Melee...😢
I was playing 64
top 2 to bottom 2
Captain Falcon gives him a run for his money
Elon musk to a crack addict
Puff is the worst. From some pro players putting her on 1 in Melee to some players putting bottom 1 in Brawl.
The more I think of Ultimate Mewtwo, the more I realize how much his broken airdodge from SSB4 carried that character.
One simple change made a day and night difference to his disadvantage; from a character that skips disadvantage, to a character that must now feel the full pain of being a large, lightweight character.
That's the main one but the old Confusion, Teleport and Nair helped a lot in disadvantage too
imo they should've only nerfed airdodge as that was unhealthy and degenerate for the game but the rest are needed because of the character archetype unless you want to gut the character
@@armandomorfin3845 Teleport got heavily buffed in Ultimate, old Confusion will only slightly buff his disadvantage, and old nair only really helps him in combo/neutral scenarios rather than disadvantage.
Mewtwo main here (both Smash 4 and Ultimate)
You pretty much nailed it. Airdodge in Smash 4 carried Mewtwo HARD and removing it forces them to have to deal with their awful disadvantage state.
Sure, the tail hurt box being larger is obviously an issue, but only if you're being too reckless and throwing it out when you really shouldn't and I honestly rarely encounter hurtbox issues anymore.
Same can't be said about no longer being able to spam airdodge. You're gonna get comboed every game unless you never get hit directly
The numerous buffs mostly everything else are nice at least (especially Shadow Ball) ^_^
@@the_bookworm8281 When I say Teleport I mostly mean the traction overall being lower to ledge cancel slightly easier, Confusion momentum is hugely underrated for the utility/landing mix ups it provided, Nair's bigger hitboxes being able to challenge other moves from juggles I feel like definitely counts as part of disadvantage
Kirby characters all ways start out strong then nerfed to the ground
Sonic from brawl to 4, he lost “You’re too slow” 😢
I am glad only because I don't want a 2 time top 5 character to have animations that annoying, even if they've only downgraded since brawl.
As well as his down taunt, "Come on! Step it up!"
And replaced his name with his speed style
Lmao I love the Larry Ad Skits so much 😂 now it's time to enjoy some good old Larry content
NOT THE DOG LARRY 😭
That ad was raw af 😂
They should give Kirby back his hammer from Brawl too. It’s faster and more threatening in the air.
Brawl hammer was peak smash. Kirby could be a good character by simply adding that move.
@@bulb9970 Kirby still has the hammer but the move has more start up in Smash 4 and Ultimate.
@@bulb9970no he wouldn't. Giving him the hammer does not fix his problems. Brawl Hammed is good but it's not even what made him decent in Brawl
rosa (4>ult)
yoshi (melee>brawl)
lucario (4>ult)
ice climbers (brawl>ult)
wario (brawl>4)
dedede (brawl>4)
samus (melee>brawl)
And my main character get bullied by Brawl after they replaced iconic b-down tornado to weak spitty water SMS Shihh after he was mid tier in melee but brawl one get down fall as hell
Kirby for sure.. First character that came into mind after reading the title. Everyone misses that old Kirby. I dont understand Sakurai for real... Kirby is such an iconic character in Smash and his creator does not help with it... :(
That feeling when Kirby got nerfed harder than Meta Knight or Bayonetta
Ganondorf being mid-tier in Melee now is one of the worst characters in the last 3 games
Man, what they did to Marth twice was unholy. At least in Smash 4 he blends in so well with the physics after all the buffs he got, but in Smash Ultimate, he doesn’t blend in at all. The Hero-King needs some real justice for this.
They made Ultimate into Melee but for casuals, so Marth can never be good since techniques were what made him good and they removed every universal and character specific technique in Ultimate
No wonder everyone switches to Lucina. Her Sword is more powerful than Marth’s.
That's the thing, Smash Ultimate Marth and Smash 4 Roy are complete opposites. SSBU Marth is a Smash 4 character trapped in SSBU physics, while Smash 4 Roy is a SSBU character trapped in SSB4 physics.
he deserves it for being lazy
Great video and shirt but… where’s my dog Larry
0:46 Wow! The sale goes from now until January 8th! That's awesome I'll get my shirts before Christmas!!
Poor Marth, they keep nerfing tipper each installment whether directly or indirectly. Ult tipper is the most inconsistent shit in the game yet they insisted they fixed it in a patch. Instead of being rewarded for good spacing, you're only rewarded like 70% of the time.
Characters on my list (no order)
1. Kirby
2. DDD
3. Sheik
4. Marth
5. Ice Climbers
6. Meta Knight
7. Caption Falcon
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that noticed the Kirby characters being one of best characters in their Smash debut and then one of them gets a significant nerf in the next title and has never been the same since.
Kinda surprised ICs weren't mentioned. I knwo they weren't in 4, but theyre a menace in Melee and the 2nd best in brawl behind meta knight, and then in ultimate theyre just mid.
I guess the crab incident had some relevance in this character review from game to game
Jigglypuff gets nerfed was deserved imo
12:30
I saw that sweat slayer lmao
Ain’t no way Ryu even close to that. Maybe pre patch ultimate
But hell naw
They nerfed shoryu but gave him good compensation
Made him actually cool unlike Ken
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These ads always go hard af
Can you do biggest character upgrades please
From 3rd Best In Brawl... To Downright Useless In Most Eyes...
I'd Say Olimar Got Nerfed Hard... Mostly Due To Him Having Less Pikmin
Commenting before watching the video: I’m 99.99% sure that 64 Kirby to Melee Kirby will be mentioned.
Edit: Glad to know I was right, despite it being unfortunate for my boy.
nice video Larry. would love a part 2. Ganon was so massively nerfed from melee to brawl. i think he was more nerfed than Falcon tbh
Hmmm, that DEHF guy sure looks a lot like Larry! 😃
I'm sorry but if anyone thinks that multiple air dodges was ever a good thing, you're on crack
The more I play Ult the more I realize how pointless it is to play Marth competitively (if we go by on paper).
I don't understand how the development team allows Chroy to have their Jab confirms but then they remove Marth's? Then they barely fix tippers besides a few tilts and aerials, but they weren't even close to being enough.
Then Sakurai gonna whip out the lame "everyone is indeed balanced" excuse from quickplay results...
Like dude... no. Just no. What is so wrong with buffing Marth's actual kill moves like Down Smash and Dancing Blade? Why couldn't he get his jab confirm back during his patch notes? Why was his Fair so nerfed to the ground? It should be way better at combos with the sour spot, considering how he was in earlier games... and Cloud and Corrin get THEIR forward airs to be combo starters that deal massive damage but not Marth? Wtf?
Like of course I still enjoy the character but if they don't fix him in the next game Imma riot and I may not even buy it. Once Kazuya dropped I expected Marth to get heavy buffs but of course not.
I was already losing interest in Ult and my fave char not getting anything he needed to be good just makes things so much worse. Marth just needs a rework at this rate.
Lol the game is 87 years old man how'd u make it this long still a marth believer
chrom has a jab confirm while Marth doesnt likely because Marths has two hits and chrom only has the one. You’re supposed to use both jabs with marth to send them away but with chrom you’re supposed to use the one because it was made to combo
Who edits this?? Imagine the databank of smash tournaments you need to have to find clips of every move specifically being used in tournament and knowing where to find it
Pit- from a retro pick that was exclusively that to now where his 2013 game shook Smash to its fuckin foundation. Over 100 things from 1 singular game? Thankfully it’s dead and not coming back, but still…
Kirby's an excellent example of what power creep is.
Oversimplifying what makes Kirby good in 64, he was good in smash 64 because every character in that game had awful recoveries except for him and Pikachu. And Pikachu was a problem matchup for him.
On top of nerfing him, he was generally just strong in things that were really strong with 64's system mechanics, like playing a solid defensive game.
But then Melee has a meta revolving around fast paced characters. Its defensive characters either have excellent air speeds or solid projectiles, which Kirby has neither of.
In Brawl and every game after, literally every character can recover well, which basically nails the only defining strength of the character into redundancy.
That's WITHOUT mentioning the nerfs he got to everything. I'm saying that if Kirby didn't get any direct nerfs to his moves or stats from 64 (universal nerfs and system mechanics still apply), then he still would not have been nearly as oppressive.
Man they just don't know what to do with King Dedede, he had one decent presence in Brawl in part thanks to chain grab and after that he's just been chilling with Kirby at the bottom tiers. In fact a lot of "Kings" in Smash are or have been at the bottom tier, Sakurai HATES monarchies.
I feel like you understated just how bad Kirby's melee throws were.
You didn't even have to mash, getting out of his forward and back throws was as simple as pressing the jump button.
Roy was E tier in smash 4? i had no idea i’d still shit on everyone using Roy bc he was one of my mains in melee
How have I just noticed it. Larry looks like a budget less athletic Tyrese Haliburton
The decisions made with mewtwo in ultimate didn’t make any sense. Making his whole tail a hurtbox is crazy. Smash 4 mewtwo was really good without being toxic so why nerf him into the ground on the next game?
Never played melee or brawl but smash 4 Falco was my main and man I felt so free with that character. Felt like I could do whatever I wanted, hate his ultimate version tho, but then again I just don't like ultimate
Kirby is actually mid tier in ssbu his fair can spike at high percent go try him out
I thought Smash 4 Bayo to early Ultimate Bayo would get on the list. Bayo might be good now, but before she got buffed in patch notes, she was pretty mid.
Sakuri nerfed his characters because he don’t wanna be looking he’s showing basis. It’s like the coach who’s rougher on his own kids than the rest of the team. Well not right away anyways,
Come to think of it, Pacman is the only ball character to not get omega nerfed, and he's the only one with actual limbs. Ableism!
What's the matter we have in Smash ultimate, I agree with giving Kirby his 64 up tilt
Good to know Larry watches the boys
At one point, Corrin in ultimate was the least used character in tournament.
To me, Wolf has been downgraded from Brawl to Ultimate
I’m surprised Lucario wasn’t on the list.
I think Ryu was nerfed pretty hard from smash 4 to ult
It's weird seeing smash players outdoors lol
2:28
Lucas: Look what they have to do to show a fraction of our power
Ike's voice...its truly a tragedy
Give Kirby back the suicide throws
Snake. His ass got nerfed.
Diddy joke was DIABOLICAL
Kirby deserves a lot of changes to make him competitively viable. Hell, more references to his abilities could solve his range issues while giving him powerful new tools. I just hope he can improve from being low tier man
Lucario from smash 4 to ultimate is also another one.
Brawl marth was crazy back at the time though
Surprised Dedede didn't make the list since he went from a solid high tier in brawl into an absolute bottom tier in smash 4
Lmao nice opening skit
Dedede from brawl to 4 got nerfed pretty hard
8:56 i mean hey at least he’s good in smash ultimate
Ike from Radiant Dawn to smash
u should be in poppt1’s vid again
Goat
More Pretzel please
Cool video! Love to see the inverse, biggest character upgrades, someday!
Mewtwo mains have to slingshot in order to manage that tail, but really a general lack of movement tech is holding him back. He actually has an absurd punish game littered with ToDs.
I need marss and larry ad collab
Melee Sheik -> Brawl Sheik
Kinda shocked Meta Knight wasn't on here, but to be fair...you just did a video about him.
Jigglypuff history mid to top to terrible to terrible to mid
More like good, to amazing to bad, to terrible, good
What about Dedede :(
64 up tilt + 64 mobility please. I want my 64 main to be good again
*cough* king k rool
I’ll money match anyone who thinks Kirby’s bad in melee
Hope you're ready to part with your money if you run into a player with any kind of expereince fighting Kirby 😂
@@Telcontar86 yep I’m ready.
Kirby is my favorite Super Smash Brothers character!
12:20 let’s not open this can of worms with the powerscaling 😂
Larry is definitely gonna be in the Oscar next year!
Yeah, the add had me untill you turned a dog into a shirt
Nooooooo the dog :(
Thanks for the video essay.
Guessing Jigglypuff from melee to brawl
It’s weird seeing smash players outside.
I’m here early🔥
Me to
Surprised not to see Ryu on here, even though he's much better now especially through patches, he did get some pretty severe nerfs between 4 and launch Ultimate. Very surprised you didn't mention it once in the video.
I plan on revisiting this topic. There's a lot of other characters that I can mention in another video, including Ryu