Dr. Mario is the BEST Mistake in Smash, here's why.

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  • @matis8693
    @matis8693 ปีที่แล้ว +2484

    Pro tip, Dr Mario's up B can be angled. Angle it backwards to make it go a tad higher, angle it forward to make it go further.

    • @franknfoot7200
      @franknfoot7200 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      This comment needs more attention!

    • @TotshotAirsoft
      @TotshotAirsoft ปีที่แล้ว +72

      I had no idea, thanks

    • @joshdimaggio5764
      @joshdimaggio5764 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Wouldn't angling it backwards just reverse your Up-B?

    • @hi-i-am-atan
      @hi-i-am-atan ปีที่แล้ว +78

      @@joshdimaggio5764 the b-reverse window is solely on frame 3, which is also the first active frame. i'm not entirely sure what frame the launch occurs, but it's not until after the sourspot comes out, so there's a fair few frames after the b-reverse window in which you can input a backwards angle for more height

    • @THEMADZGaming
      @THEMADZGaming ปีที่แล้ว +40

      another small tip dr. mario down b rises a tad bit higher if you jump down b instead of using down b alone why doc using his down b while falling he does a slight curve before starts rising, jumping and down b keeps the momentum from the jump rise and doc will be able to get his full down b height this helps sometimes when I accidently forward air offstage and have to use this to recover and I also use this as a mix up when I'm offstage

  • @l.a.rodriguez9581
    @l.a.rodriguez9581 ปีที่แล้ว +1433

    It’s a combination of personal story time, documentary, and Smash content. Love it.

    • @magicklee3407
      @magicklee3407 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      same

    • @keebymania0911
      @keebymania0911 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      and another character that he was wrong about.

    • @chezcak486
      @chezcak486 ปีที่แล้ว

      Km ll

    • @MuteifYouregay
      @MuteifYouregay 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah. This video is 80% narrative with a spark of truth and humor in it. Like a cars salesman 😂.
      ​@@keebymania0911

  • @dingus6073
    @dingus6073 ปีที่แล้ว +1060

    Doc's terrible recovery is also great for teaching stage control. Being knocked off stage as Doc is terrifying, so you naturally learn to stay as far away from it as possible when not in advantage.

    • @ericborczuk135
      @ericborczuk135 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Just like lil mac

    • @WarningStrangerDanger
      @WarningStrangerDanger 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I find myself camping ledge a lot with Doc because he can put a lot of fear into people with his dair and grab. An up smash with your back to the ledge is better than a back throw if they weren't at kill percent and can be followed up with bair and dair. Confidence in your fundamentals can make you feel comfortable camping the space between the underside of the side platforms and the ledge. It is a playground for the Dr.

  • @ByrneBaby
    @ByrneBaby ปีที่แล้ว +359

    Yeah, Doc's one of the most honest characters in the game. No tricks, no gimmicks, no comeback DLC mechanic, just fundamentals, punishes, and edge guards. Your grabs are earned, your combos need to be hot, and you gotta know how to play hard enough to push advantage, but smart enough to not get thrown off stage.
    Him and the Pits will make you a really mindful player.

    • @kuro4282
      @kuro4282 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      In my opinion this proves that smash ultimate is really well made.

    • @Graphomite
      @Graphomite 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Their mobility, recovery, and disjoints make Pit/Pitoo a much safer/easier character. I agree they are gimmick-free. Wins feel fair. But they do not force you to understand the game quite so integrately as Doctor Mario. You can get complacent with the Pits. You can't with the Doc.

    • @WarningStrangerDanger
      @WarningStrangerDanger 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Dr. Mario makes me wish we had N64 Mario back. I like the moveset way more than the reworked Mario. Doc inherits it, but with new physics I don't enjoy.

    • @zeke3620
      @zeke3620 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      No pits not really
      Pit has a broken recovery gimping tool and projectile in arrow
      You don't even have to go off stage to kill off stage and you can without being punished because of your multiple jumps and up b as well as easy combos with nait
      Dark pit has good arrows but not as a good multiple jumps busted recovery and a side b that's better then wonderwing yet has no limits

  • @RGamer2009
    @RGamer2009 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    Like a real doctor, playing Doctor Mario requires surgical precision, specific techs, and always being ready to adapt to unfavorable situations. He is the true tactician in the game, always needing to think and play ahead of the opponent to secure kills and wins, unlike alot of the cast where you don't have to be as strict on the basics. Doc is super rewarding when you succeed and brutally punishing when you fail. I think harder and better when I play as Doc due to his playstyle requiring it, and I think I need to play as him a bit more after watching this.

    • @psigreen3864
      @psigreen3864 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "Surgical precision" haha

  • @VestedUTuber
    @VestedUTuber ปีที่แล้ว +69

    So, originally, Dr. Mario was a quickly-added clone of Mario. But one thing people need to consider is that Mario's moveset was changed in later games to add FLUDD, so now Dr. Mario serves a niche purpose - being the closest thing to Melee Mario in later Smash Bros games. As a result I actually don't mind him that much.

    • @danielgonzalez-vm5lj
      @danielgonzalez-vm5lj 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah considering literally every single one of the original 64 characters already have a clone in game cept DK and yoshi they could use the chance to update some of their movesets keeping the old stuff on doctor mario the younger links dark samus pichu etc after all most of their movesets havent gotten actual changes other than niche small details or visuals since Brawl and thats ONLY because of final smashes some havent gotten changes since melee or even 64 and most of them can't keep uo with the stuff new characters have

    • @k-leb4671
      @k-leb4671 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@danielgonzalez-vm5lj Funky Kong could be added as a legacy version of Donkey Kong while Donkey's moveset diversifies.

  • @magic3734
    @magic3734 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    That picture, I wonder what an Underdogs podcast would have looked like if it was 13 years ago

    • @Xxblade17
      @Xxblade17 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Belowpups

  • @lmr4403
    @lmr4403 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Dr. Mario used to be my choice for playing with friends as there was a bit of a skill difference between me playing 100++ hours and my friends that didn't even have the game.

    • @kuro4282
      @kuro4282 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      i had like 1k hours in brawl but i wasn't good lol, I used to play just for fun. every single day.

  • @0PercentImagination
    @0PercentImagination ปีที่แล้ว +332

    It feels really awkward watching this after owning the game for over a year and realising I didn't actually know what 'out of shield' options actually meant so I've never done them correctly even with the characters that I knew had them...

    • @elegy8187
      @elegy8187 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      You’re not alone. For the record, your out of shield options on any character are up-smash, up-b, jump (and by extension any short hop aerials), and grab.

    • @meee_5155
      @meee_5155 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@elegy8187 well in general they are but sometimes they vary based on the hit boxes of each character

    • @Caldwing
      @Caldwing ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I've known about it forever but for some reason I just can't do it. I'm not amazing at the game in general but in particular I have this weird block about acting out of shield. I always either miss or do it too late. I feel like there is just something I'm doing wrong fundamentally, or maybe it just requires drill, which I am not nearly serious enough to bother with.

  • @raincastmusic
    @raincastmusic ปีที่แล้ว +650

    Dr Mario is my main alongside my actual main Byleth
    He is just so fun to play since he’s so disrespectful and not too combo reliant

    • @SonicAdventureEnjoyer
      @SonicAdventureEnjoyer ปีที่แล้ว +49

      he's my lowkey main too when i get my ass kicked in a set and i pull out Doc and surprise the opponent by playing a bottom tier and actually winning (i main banjo so its even more hilarious)

    • @lachepro6860
      @lachepro6860 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      He's my main alongside DK.

    • @raincastmusic
      @raincastmusic ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@SonicAdventureEnjoyer yeah he’s such a curveball character
      I like to disrespect my friends with him since he’s more lowkey as you said

    • @raincastmusic
      @raincastmusic ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lachepro6860 sick🙏🏼

    • @keebymania0911
      @keebymania0911 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i dont really know how to play doc nor is he my main but i respect all of you who use it

  • @papaG6423
    @papaG6423 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    If Doc's air speed wasn't so atrocious, he could be a much better character. Actual Mario is also pretty limited in his recovery options, but his higher jumps and much better air speed gives him the flexibility to have a decent off stage game. Doc doesn't need Mario's hops, but he definitely needs a better air speed imo

    • @drmarioprojectm1510
      @drmarioprojectm1510 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Proposed balance changes: Give Doc's speed a slight buff for both ground and air just enough to make his recovery better without making him OP.

    • @WarningStrangerDanger
      @WarningStrangerDanger 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Let the Dr. use down special multiple times in the air. It losing verticality until you regain your jumps is too harsh. It should be refreshed alongside up special if you get hit. Let the sheet stall, too. It would make him harder to read while recovering.

    • @williamwest9204
      @williamwest9204 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's why I say start at melee design verbatim, then apply the good things from ultimate

    • @ThatOneAutist_69420
      @ThatOneAutist_69420 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just give him and Mario identical speed stats lmao

  • @KingOfSkill
    @KingOfSkill ปีที่แล้ว +115

    3:38 I highly disagree, King K. Rool's recovery requires an insane amount of brain cells to calculate the recovery and angles that you must take.
    That aside though, this gives me the same vibe as a League of Legends video I watched a long time ago, where someone tried an experiment where he wanted to see what would happen if he played a basic bad character (Garen) for a long time, and found out that by playing such a basic bad character, it forced him to get good at the fundamental part of the game, which is the same here with Doc.
    Really interesting video! Maybe you should do a reverse version of this video where you just spammed Minecart as Steve and state how this destroyed all sense of neutral.

    • @Caketurtle7
      @Caketurtle7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why does this only have 8 likes?

    • @GoharioFTW
      @GoharioFTW ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Caketurtle7 they dont know who this is rip

    • @danx3363
      @danx3363 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey look it’s Breent himself.

    • @GFCOLCQuote
      @GFCOLCQuote ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Oh shoot, I remember that video.
      That's a pretty big nostalgia hit, gosh damn.

    • @SpathiCaptainFwiffo
      @SpathiCaptainFwiffo ปีที่แล้ว

      its Brent

  • @4r96
    @4r96 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    The exact same reason I mained Little Mac. Maining what people called "The literal WORST Smash character" taught me how to excel in movement, understand the importance of spacing, and mixups. Plus he was my type, a rush down fighter with INCREDIBLE DPS, just lacking in aerial and not enough options in neutral.
    I was never good at Smash until I got amazing with Mac.

    • @Mister_RandomGuychannel
      @Mister_RandomGuychannel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Little mac is honestly top d tier, you just cant fall off the map

    • @nayd5043
      @nayd5043 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Oh yeah playing little mac really taught me to take a beating charge my meter and press neutral B and kill people randomly lmao.

    • @UserOfTheName
      @UserOfTheName 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Mister_RandomGuychannel Macs recovery is good actually

    • @A3N.A2B
      @A3N.A2B 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this was like me and ridley where I on online got destroyed but now im destroying people

    • @WeHaveSomuchHeart
      @WeHaveSomuchHeart 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ultimate players are generally shit at melee

  • @dreemurrki2404
    @dreemurrki2404 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    As a Dr.Mario main playing as him is hard, I did switch mains but I’ll always include him as a character I play (I main Roy now) but playing him has always made me think harder than I needed to. Which has completely gone away with my brain dead Roy still like him tho

  • @Sappysappster
    @Sappysappster ปีที่แล้ว +175

    One thing I find interesting between Mario and Dr. Mario (intentional or not) is how even though they have the same moves, they do separate jobs
    Mario teaches you the fundamentals (hence why he's pretty up there tier wise; he's got all the tools you need which makes him good for beginners)
    However, Dr. Mario takes that, and adds patience to the equation
    >You can't force yourself in (too slow, most characters outrage or outspeed you)
    >You can't unga bunga with your buttons (refer to above)
    >Even when you're in, you can't mindless combo (again, no range and can easily have it turned on you)
    You dont play this character because of the insane 900IQ plays, or having a consistent gameplan, or because they have a gimmick that you like
    You play Dr. Mario in order to FEEL the W once you learn

    • @theobserver4214
      @theobserver4214 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Dr Mario also teaches discipline and why true knowledge of a character is important. Because of the points you mentioned, you are forced to learn what risks are worth taking in neutral, and if the risk is outweighed by the possible advantage. Playing as Doc teaches you how to work around a characters flaws to the best of your ability. It also makes you realize the true utility of your tilts, aerials, and specials and the many ways to use. What moves are most effective against specific characters. Doctor Mario will make you both realize the true meaning of every tool in his kit, and start thinking about the true purpose of other character’s moves.
      Dr Mario’s name fits in Smash Bros and with Mario’s, because while Mario teaches you how to play and the fundamentals to Smash, Doctor Mario *diagnoses* problems with your fundamentals and play. If you have problems with certain mechanics of competitive play, your failure as Doc will help you figure out what it is, and show you what you need to do to not fail again.

    • @Sappysappster
      @Sappysappster ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@theobserver4214 "Dr Mario’s name almost fits Mario’s because while Mario teaches you how to play and the fundamentals to Smash, Doc diagnoses problems with your fundamentals and play"
      Holy shit get this man a true

    • @theobserver4214
      @theobserver4214 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Sappysappster It took me like 10 minutes to write and build up to that sentence. Ngl one of the hardest things I ever wrote

    • @Sly_Maverick_19
      @Sly_Maverick_19 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@theobserver4214
      Damn, that line about Doc diagnosing problems with fundies, sheesh, have you been watching EmpLemon? Because that sounds like something he would say.

    • @theobserver4214
      @theobserver4214 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​@@Sly_Maverick_19 Who ISN'T subbed to EmpLemon at this rate. But that line came from the soul ngl

  • @Kachop05
    @Kachop05 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    I love that despite how diferent they look, Zach is still strangely recognizable at 0:03

    • @Alleister207
      @Alleister207 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      "That smile, that damn smile..."

    • @k-leb4671
      @k-leb4671 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I actually recognised Hop far more easily and didn't realise the other kid was Zach at first.

  • @WDinATX
    @WDinATX ปีที่แล้ว +7

    12:22
    And that’s ironic considering that it’s a reference to Mario stomping foes. You know, the thing in almost every Super Mario game? 😂

  • @Cool-Vest_Leo
    @Cool-Vest_Leo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Doc feels so satisfying to win with. I especially love that down B kills at 105 and back throw kills in specific places as low as 95. Really good for cleaning up a stock if you can't hit something meatier.

  • @MrGameguyC
    @MrGameguyC ปีที่แล้ว +100

    If more characters were designed like Doc, the world would be a better place to live.

    • @DavidFigarland
      @DavidFigarland ปีที่แล้ว +32

      lowkey. i know we all have a lot of fun with all the crazy special moves they’ve been adding to characters like hero or sora, but i miss the bigger emphasis on more melee oriented attacks

    • @MrGameguyC
      @MrGameguyC ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@DavidFigarland Yeah, I kinda miss new characters with simplier moves.

    • @MrGameguyC
      @MrGameguyC ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Raw, pure fundies.

    • @LiveTwinReaction
      @LiveTwinReaction 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I haven't watched much ultimate but one of the most surprising things about this game to me is seeing pretty much every character having insane recovery, feels like 50+ of the characters can make it back easily from the bottom corners of the blast zone. Meanwhile Doc's recovery is basically the same as in melee lol

    • @nef36
      @nef36 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      While I do understand having this sentiment after watching this video, having a game be filled with underpowered jack-of-all-trades with only a few specialist characters, the roster would be pretty boring. I think the game is better for having Doc be alone where he is, serving as the place where people can go to polish themselves up before returning to the rest of the cast

  • @HadaHarabaz
    @HadaHarabaz ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When my friend and his coworkers had a smash night every month for ultimate I remember walking in my first night and my friend said "he mains Duck Hunt and Dr. Mario."
    They laughed at first, but after my first night where I did a clean sweep of the room I became the certified Antagonist of smash night. Only in the context of smash had I the enmity of an entire room.
    ESPECIALLY when I caped anyone for the edge guard.
    The banter and drinking afterwords was primo though.
    They brought in their equivalent of their older bro to get me a few months later. The cheers when I lost fuel me to this day.

  • @castform7
    @castform7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think I like playing Doc more than Mario himself. I feel like I work with him better even if I still not claiming games with him. It's like Dedede where they aren't a main and are more of a back pocket, "I wanna have fun" character.

    • @biledox5576
      @biledox5576 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Obviously, Doc is not a clone of Mario, Mario is a clone of Doc

  • @izalethdemi9243
    @izalethdemi9243 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Really solid video, I loved how in depth you went into why certain aspects of the good doctor's kit were important for general improvement. It also made the occasional funny all the funnier, which was nice.
    Also it's legitimately heartwarming to see how long you've known Zach for, I'm really glad you two are still buds and I hope you'll continue to be for the foreseeable future!

  • @Shorn_
    @Shorn_ ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I really like playing Doc. He's like Ganon to regular Mario's Captain Falcon.
    I've also upped my 2-frame game by going for cape -> down smash. If you think double jump fair hits the dopamine, hit that cape 2-frame. You'll never want to edgeguard again.

    • @THEMADZGaming
      @THEMADZGaming ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hit it sometimes and yes dopamine acquired

    • @ThatOneAutist_69420
      @ThatOneAutist_69420 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yo that sounds awesome, gotta try that out I’ve been down tilting and down smashing the whole time

    • @Shorn_
      @Shorn_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ThatOneAutist_69420 it's super fun, plus cape does 10-ish percent making it more likely to kill. You can also cape -> downTilt -> short hop upB

  • @enzowalter00
    @enzowalter00 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    the picture of baby peter is just so adorable ngl

  • @digbydog9505
    @digbydog9505 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I am loving this new style of video, i rarely catch myself watching smash content as of more recently, but honestly? This had me interested the entire time!
    Great work👍

  • @No1tgffgh
    @No1tgffgh ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Dr Mario is so much fun to play as.. I literally just went through the same week as Hop xD picked him up a week ago and now he's my best character 😂

  • @carlosMartinez-tj3yf
    @carlosMartinez-tj3yf ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Doc plays like a grappler who has no grabs

  • @sukmykrok3388
    @sukmykrok3388 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I love Doc! I've always believed that he's so underrated! At the same time it's that EXACT mentality that has led me to victories! People see Doc and think they're getting a freebie . . . until they're counting the cracks under the stage, lol!

    • @icessoup
      @icessoup ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Dr is just a very good player to pick, simple as that

    • @Equalizer2922
      @Equalizer2922 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Doc is like for expert players, same with anyone with terrible recovery, as you need to think outside the box, but if you are able to get the hang of it, your rewarded with some strong attacks and damage, but he is very fun to play with I won’t lie.

    • @sukmykrok3388
      @sukmykrok3388 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Equalizer2922 good offensive use of the coat is not only fun, it's IMPORTANT in his kit!

  • @kebe1473
    @kebe1473 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I've been a doc main since the start of smash 4 and this video appearing in my recommendations made me so happy since nobody talks about this character lol makes me realise how much I still have to learn as him

  • @Tubeytime
    @Tubeytime 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Doctor Mario is basically how all of the other characters should be balanced, the dynamic of matches would be so fun to watch because it's more clear who deserves to win or lose

  • @2shy2guy52
    @2shy2guy52 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That point about elite smash players having bad habits is so true, I remember a clip of Alpharad demolishing a captain falcon by reading every single spot dodge after he had fallen for a few

  • @jaxon3186
    @jaxon3186 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    as a doc main I am so happy you made this video! his down air is one of the most satisfying to hit and his down special works wonders in any situation!

  • @TweetsieRailroader
    @TweetsieRailroader ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As a Dr. Mario main in Smash Ultimate, thank you for making this video. I've played with the Doc for a good while now, and I've gotten to be decent with him.

  • @mbot1901
    @mbot1901 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Okay I used to main doc a while ago and I'm glad to see you're enjoying him too, I highly recommend trying out down tilt stuff because that move is genuinely crazy with how much hitstun it has and how much it does for him mid and late game. Also down b is an amazing and consistent kill move that has armor on the ground and ridiculous base KB, it feels like rob side b on crack off stage

    • @DavidFigarland
      @DavidFigarland ปีที่แล้ว +1

      #SpinToWin

    • @icessoup
      @icessoup ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidFigarland Punch, actually. He's super strong

    • @NucleoTheNucleo
      @NucleoTheNucleo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      B reversed down b is the most fun move imo in the entire game

  • @tarabelle7716
    @tarabelle7716 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is why I like playing Wizard in YOMI Hustle- doing melee combos with a projectile character.
    The mixup headgames are real sometimes, it's funny watching someone get nervous bc you are play aggressively and they don't expect it.
    You made a lot of good points

  • @LinaNverse
    @LinaNverse ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dr. Mario's hard hitting moves feel good to land, KOing with his Up B is always satisfying. I like his playstyle so much more than Mario's, even though Mario has an amazing combo game and shenanigans with FLUDD. Also, he has the best backthrow animation in the game.

  • @Jollyfolly1828
    @Jollyfolly1828 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Don't comment a lot, but this video was amazing. I like the history you put and the amount of detail you put on a character that wouldn't get a lot of this. I think more in-depth character pieces would be great, this was an awesome video.

  • @shush916
    @shush916 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Really love the new analytical vids from Hop

  • @trustme3321
    @trustme3321 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    showing Sephiroth while talking about how swordies are easy to space with is a war crime. You need immaculate spacing with that character.

    • @ThatOneAutist_69420
      @ThatOneAutist_69420 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He’s literally a zoner bc of that sword lil bro

  • @dislot
    @dislot ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Doc has been my main for a long time. This really helps with the mindset you should have while playing him. Great vid!

    • @kuro4282
      @kuro4282 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In my opinion doc supremacy just proves how well made Smash Ultimate is.

  • @franknfoot7200
    @franknfoot7200 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Been convinced for years that Doc is a Mario family member but is NOT the Mario Mario we know in the games. It would explain why they are different. Even Luigi’s last name is Mario. Maybe Doc is a uncle or something

  • @Firemarth
    @Firemarth ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a nice video. I remember many years ago, when Hopcat was just starting, playing against Little Z, almost never winning but having a good time and some "hopcat's win", but got better and better as he practiced, and now he is an excellent player, able to teach others about the game. Thanks for many years of entertainment.

  • @solo_mander
    @solo_mander ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great video! I kinda love the talkie vids, it feels right to just start about your experience after playing this game for so many years. I also love it for other games too

  • @_Fizzy_1
    @_Fizzy_1 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I like this one a lot! Very cool idea, and it's written very well.

  • @Ryoogah1
    @Ryoogah1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have exclusively mained this guy since 4 and I always had a "reading" centric playstyle, I never really thought about why but this def explains it. Now I wanna play Smash lol

  • @smokemidigofoolish5797
    @smokemidigofoolish5797 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    haven’t played in a few years but Dr. Mario was the first character I picked up. His recovery and speed may not be good but he’s got some good early percent combos, pills being a decent approach tool (reverse b was pretty good for catching people off guard while retreating), one of the best beginner friendly killing moves being down B, seriously even when my opponent was getting used to me you don’t know how many times they let their shield down early and I got a stock. But yes I think everyone should find a low tier in whatever fighting game they play because not only is it good practice for fundamentals but it’s just plain fun bullying high tiers or projectile characters with them

  • @olavtetteroo4204
    @olavtetteroo4204 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’ve never seen a bad dr Mario in elite smash, all the other characters there’s always a chance they janked their way into elite smash

  • @thethreekings9120
    @thethreekings9120 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Man, if his recovery was improved, Doc would be so much better right off the jump.

  • @timothyshouer9377
    @timothyshouer9377 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm loving this new video style

  • @NaoshikuuAnimations
    @NaoshikuuAnimations ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a good video, man im loving your content lately

  • @plushdragonteddy
    @plushdragonteddy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i find it very funny that the entire section on range is something i had to learn in my irl mma class. if ur shorter than ur opponent, u want to either be too far for them to hit you, or up close and personal so you’re in an ideal position to hit them, while they’re somewhat uncomfortable hitting you back. you also have to mix up your timing so as not to be predictable, because then you’ll just walk right into their fist lol. it’s always cool when real life fighting knowledge is applicable to video games!

  • @drazzthespazz1496
    @drazzthespazz1496 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Really well done, HopCat. Super informational and will help a lot of us to get better at the game!
    Keep up all the hard work - a lot of time definitely goes into these videos

  • @damaskoslocker2865
    @damaskoslocker2865 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Doc's recovery is worse than Mac's"
    100% true, at least Mac can punch the air and get some air drift to up B, even Mac's horizontal recovery is somewhat better than Doc's.
    Also, I main both :v

  • @nicosledakis7452
    @nicosledakis7452 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    as a Doc main, this video is so gratifying to me… I like playing regular Mario too but Doc feels so much better when you win!!

  • @vegangence7081
    @vegangence7081 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The way you describe playing and options are the inner monologue I have while playing and it's so relatable lmao❤

  • @GoldDragon20
    @GoldDragon20 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    in the N64 engine, Remix Doc is kinda busted, since he's got the combos, he's got the speed for N64 combat, and Tornado is kinda busted with mashing there being very forgiving.

    • @TheNadroj10
      @TheNadroj10 ปีที่แล้ว

      All remix characters are broken really. They all kinda are upgrades over the OG cast. Young Link completely invalidates normal link

  • @OldTimeyDragon
    @OldTimeyDragon ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Welp, this not only taught me the importance of faking out your opponent, but actually gave me some plausible ways to practice them. Let's hope this helps me be less predictable as that's probably my biggest flaw.

  • @sorbbae620
    @sorbbae620 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    its crazy how alot of concepts can carry between completely different games, the part about dash dancing really interested me, i dont play smash much, but there is an equivilent strategy in League of Legends, it doesnt have a name as far as im aware, but most players will move in and out of an opponents effective range to try and bait their important abilities and to make their engage less predictable. so cool!

  • @mjdevlog
    @mjdevlog ปีที่แล้ว

    This was amazing video, and the fact that you explains every technical things like b reverse, oos etc. is wonderful

  • @danielk7245
    @danielk7245 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the slightly more analytical videos recently.

  • @ZennittyF
    @ZennittyF ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a Doc main, this video is spot on. He's an awful character with too many disadvantages to count, but boy, when you beat someone with him, it feels amazing. You seriously have to earn every hit, combo and recovery, and if you don't, you'll probably lose.
    I don't think he should get removed from the next smash game though, I'd like to keep the bad characters. :)

    • @TheNadroj10
      @TheNadroj10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He needs to stay, he’s fun but unviable mario

    • @drmarioprojectm1510
      @drmarioprojectm1510 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheNadroj10 And there's no reason Doc should be demoted to being an alternate skin and thus being forced to use FLUDD

    • @TheNadroj10
      @TheNadroj10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@drmarioprojectm1510 True, doc’s tornado is a much better move than fludd. Atleast in terms of fun and casual gameplay

  • @AWildCatsnake
    @AWildCatsnake ปีที่แล้ว

    When I used to play ultimate I only played doc and I had so many mental battles with myself about why I played him and how I had to have inner monologues with what and what I shouldn't do to each character, but you put almost all of my thoughts in this video it's hilarious. I thought I was the only one who has gone through that doc adventure. Nice video.

  • @joniboni5029
    @joniboni5029 ปีที่แล้ว

    i havent played smash at all for at least a year even though i used too be a huge nerd for many years, but you made me want to pick it up again, thank you

  • @BennyPir10
    @BennyPir10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “He sucks, he’s hard, and he’s pretty much nobody’s favorite character.”
    Poor guy

  • @AbeDillon
    @AbeDillon 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I haven't played much Smash since Meele (and even then I wasn't very good), but I'm suprised to see you don't talk about his cape for edge garding and general disorientation or his down-smash which used to be amazing.
    Before my friend-group got seriously competitive, we used to play with items which made his cape a lot better because when you cape a poke-ball or whatever, it becomes yours. However, nothing felt quite as good as caping a space animal recovery and just watching them fall helplessly while their brain struggled to figure out what just happened.

  • @TheOneSapCan
    @TheOneSapCan ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Watching smash players try to explain things is so funny to me. Like when you were explaining the pill. Seeing barebones characters like Dr Mario confuses so many people because he doesn’t have a unique win condition. The pill isn’t a neutral skip like most characters have, it’s a neutral tool. It’s just a traditional fireball

  • @karlldraws
    @karlldraws ปีที่แล้ว +1

    character apology videos are my favorite. i think it works better one character per video though like this one. especially with this one explaining the history of the character

  • @Shmicah1235
    @Shmicah1235 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been loving this style of video lately, keep up the great work Hop!

  • @mysticfilms4780
    @mysticfilms4780 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the storytelling in all of your vids Hop. Really makes for a great experience and enjoyable vid❤

  • @Iso_SSB
    @Iso_SSB ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This new style of video Hops been doing is so enjoyable to watch, keep doing it

  • @ollie-d
    @ollie-d ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a good video, but Dr. Mario was my favorite Ultimate character back when I played it . His movement and timing feel more melee-like for some reason and he just feels good to play in ways that no other character does in that sluggish ass game. His hits feel so good, his spike is satisfying, and he just has this swag about him especially with his alternate costumes. Once I stopped being concerned with minmaxing ultimate I played Doc exclusively and had a lot more fun with the game.

  • @rocko7112
    @rocko7112 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! The direction you are taking with this channel is really good!!!

  • @DarkThomy
    @DarkThomy ปีที่แล้ว

    Maining little mac taught me how to keep track of my 2nd jump, and use it scarcely.
    Every character (especially bad ones) can teach you something good.

  • @jacksoncampbell1332
    @jacksoncampbell1332 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for explaining a ton of super basic smash concepts/controls like out of shield options that beginners don’t understand and other videos assume they already know

  • @healsgood9147
    @healsgood9147 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love that rivals and the rivals community helped teach you better fundamentals. since smash is so forgiving, playing a less forgiving game and taking the concepts you learned to smash is so beneficial

  • @WilliamSussman
    @WilliamSussman ปีที่แล้ว

    12:36 oh that was your Dr Mario clip I saw in the recent Ultimate salt is real! Nice hop

  • @RyanZPianoGuy
    @RyanZPianoGuy ปีที่แล้ว

    I really appreciate this vid, I love the thought and analysis that went into it!

  • @diddypancakes8670
    @diddypancakes8670 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you HopCat, you've given me faith. Mario is my main I'm pretty sure, but like you said, there's bad habits that you can get from using only one character and makes you not so good at other characters with different playstyles. I've tried Dr. Mario a little bit before, but thought he's a bit too sluggish. But now I understand why I have a hard time with Mario when getting outranged. I'm not looking for an opening. This video has helped me see how playing Dr. Mario could improve my gameplay. I knew the Doc had something special. Thank you.

  • @izzy8407
    @izzy8407 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved this vid and it really made me want to give doc a try! One of the few characters I’ve never played. Great analysis here hopcat, love your content

  • @unlikelyhydra926
    @unlikelyhydra926 ปีที่แล้ว

    I start watching smash vids again and my Main Doc since smash 4 is being roasted again. Which is fair lol. However, the praise is well deserved. You do have to work for your wins, the challenge is very satisfying. 3 tips with Doc.
    1. Doc's pills are very valuable as an approach tool. Learning your pill placements from the ground/off platforms can better your pressure and approach.
    2. Down throw, down B can kill SUPER early from an edge. Learning how to do that can excell doc's game to the next level.
    3. You can comeback from some edgeguards if you down B. For example I would Fair the moment I go off stage and I can make it back at ease. Just don't fast fall if you go offstage.
    Tbh if Doc disappears... I'll be pretty sad, because I've grown so much as a player with him compared to Mario.

  • @froakie1404
    @froakie1404 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    doc has become one of my favorites as of late, genuinely a great character to play if you wanna just learn neutral/fundamentals, ABSOLUTELY bottom tier for sure, but playing around his weaknesses honestly teaches u a lot about the game while also being incredibly satisfying to play for that reason
    also up b out of shield is my new crack

  • @doughnut1147
    @doughnut1147 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I've been maining Doc for 2 years now, and I've fully accepted that he's not gonna win me any tournaments but I will always have fun when I play with him.

  • @Graphomite
    @Graphomite 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dr. Mario forces you to enjoy the fundamentals of the game. The only "meta" to Dr. Mario is understanding fundamentals, so every loss is forgivable and every win is earned.
    I don't main the doctor, but I always found him enjoyable when I picked him up. And I think this video sheds light on why he is particularly fun in competetive play. He takes the load off of needing to understand a meta strat in order to unlock a character's potential. It's very demoralizing to lose due to your opponant whipping you with a series of muscle memory button presses, or generally knowing when to throw out one or two very reliable moves. It feels like losing to a Fool's Mate strategy in chess. You don't feel as though you were outsmarted, you were bamboozled by a technicality you don't have experience with. And you feel less motivated to even use your own main, knowing you are using a character that you seem to know everything about, and yet you are still missing a massive part of what makes them viable. You don't know all their little trickshots.
    B-reversing pills is the closest the Doctor gets to a technicality. It's nice to play a character that has virtually no gimmick.
    Pit falls under this category of fairness as well, but his mobility, recovery, and disjoints make him a much safer/easier character. There is no falling into complacent gameplay with Doc.

  • @Saiyanryu
    @Saiyanryu ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a Doc main, this video came very much in handy for new techniques. Thanks!

  • @justalex3880
    @justalex3880 ปีที่แล้ว

    I super enjoyed this style of video! Keep it up!!!!

  • @almightyshoe02
    @almightyshoe02 ปีที่แล้ว

    This vid had some of the best core tips for overall smash that i have EVER seen

  • @sunfleck9798
    @sunfleck9798 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love seeing a deep dive on doc. By far one of my favorites.

  • @andrewguth2366
    @andrewguth2366 ปีที่แล้ว

    This felt like an old popit1 analysis video but now with more YT experience and done by Hopcat. Imall for it.

  • @thealolanturtwig5670
    @thealolanturtwig5670 ปีที่แล้ว

    That ladt point made me think about my character choices. I've gotten so used to characters who can stall a bit in the air (PT Switch, Puff, Aegis) that I'm much worse at characters that don't have that option.

  • @ReitheOffbeatOtaku
    @ReitheOffbeatOtaku ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It really is funny how seemingly the only thing keeping Doc from being the worst character in the game is just “He has a projectile, and both Ganon and Little Mac don’t.”
    P.S. Not to get too pedantic, but to correct what Hop was talking about in the intro, Brawl didn’t have 7 years of development time; it had about 2, as it didn’t enter production until _after_ it was announced at E3 2005, and then had a few months of pre-production before proper development began in late 2005, (most likely October) according to SmashWiki. The game then launched in Japan in January of 2008, so realistically, development was probably complete by December, since physical copies need time to be sent to retailers and such.
    So while Brawl wasn’t super rushed like Melee, as it had about twice the development time, it didn’t have an especially long development cycle either, despite what the long gap between games would suggest.

  • @nicktherange
    @nicktherange 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is why I love mii swordfighter with a passion

  • @agent_beta420
    @agent_beta420 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still probably the best hopcat video. This is everything I love about doc tied up in a bow

  • @robertoch8276
    @robertoch8276 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maining Dr. Mario is the Dark Souls of Smash.

  • @Nick-ci8ve
    @Nick-ci8ve ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Honestly, this entire video just explained my odd love for bad characters that I couldn't explain myself, I just found them more fun than the top or even mid tiers, I was a die hard low tier main in 4, started playing Ultimate with a friend recently and thought I'm gonna be fodder for ages but I could just carry over so much stuff I used to do because it wasn't game or character specific, I just got used to working with what I have and replacing what I don't have with decision making, I'm still by no means a great player but having the basics down to a degree makes the game way more fun and honestly isn't as much of a grind or work as it might sound for how much it improves the experience

  • @gamergoldie
    @gamergoldie ปีที่แล้ว

    My favorite combo is down air on stage then up smash, it does so much damage and is so easy to hit. Doc is my favorite character, and I got so good with recovering, forward air, and using the cape to disrespect people

  • @doug4603
    @doug4603 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kill confirms - Down Tilt into Jumping Up B
    You can also use down throw into jumping down b.
    Use them both at the ledge for easy kills

  • @beef5050
    @beef5050 ปีที่แล้ว

    i had the same experience with doc, became my main after i learned how to use him! down throw into back air is the most mileage combo he has by far

  • @itz_owenxd8455
    @itz_owenxd8455 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im glad you enjoyed Dr. Mario hes been my main ever since I played this game but try using down tilt you can combo with it very well

  • @GlitchxPeridot
    @GlitchxPeridot ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I main Dr. Mario in Ultimate, and I’m SO happy he’s getting attention in the smash community rn, this video perfectly sums up why I play this character

  • @yotomoe5953
    @yotomoe5953 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I definitely felt this as a kirby main all these years. A lot of his kit is bad but honestly I think there's a lotta fun to be had with characters that are considered bad. I've been picking up Li'l Mac lately and getting a similar learning curve but I'm honestly loving learning it.

    • @nathanielbass771
      @nathanielbass771 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      funnily enough, if you master Li'l Mac, he has some of the best stats in the game. The problem? he is the most heavily punished character in the game. I think where most people get him wrong is that you have to play him like an actual boxer and roll with the punches. Problem is, you get sent flying once and it's a major task to not get KO'd. Mac also has no way to deal with characters that have decent ranged spam if they keep their distance. I haven't played ultimate but in Smash 4, my worst matchup with Mac was against Polutena of all characters because she can punish you absurdly well and has a counter.