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Explaining Why Vars' Video On Falco Is FALSE
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In Today's video I watch Vars' video on Why NO ONE Plays: Falco | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate ( • Why NO ONE Plays: Falc... ) and explain why what is being said is not true. As one of the best Falco players in competitive Ultimate as well as being a top competitor in Smash in general I thought I would be one of the best people to critique this video
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Appreciate the criticism. I'll increase efforts to get input from other pro players in future episodes.
Cool of you to take it in stride. I think both y'all had great videos but this video feels like he (Larry) came in looking to find things wrong. Which is fair, just a bit nit picky.
Let me know if you want info or who to reach out to regarding getting info on future topics, I'd be glad to help. Also, appreciate you taking the criticism constructively
@@LarryLurr I would but it costs 8 dollars to DM you now.
@@VarsVerum Oh, we have to be following each other right? Follow me lmk what your account is and I'll follow you back
@@LarryLurr it's just @varsverum
we love larry spreading the falco agenda
You should look into synsyter Falco
There is no Falco agenda ☠️☠️☠️
that falco is low tier trash?
Vars titles his TH-cam videos starting with either "Why No One Plays" or "Why Everyone Plays" with no room in between. It's just something he does. Any character who is less common than average he titles "Why No One Plays". I know, it's weird.
It is catchy, it is good for the algorithm.
I would say Falco is more common than average, and at all levels of play at that--you see him a decent amount at mid level, and there are 4 pros piloting him at a very high level, which most characters can't claim.
Yeah this is what gets people, it's also based on the general sentiment about characters as well. Even if there are as many reps of falco at top levels as kazuya or whoever, Falco is less relevant and generally feels less common to see in bracket or at locals. The title feels more like a vibe than a specific breakdown to me.
but falco is a lot more common than characters he says “everyone plays”
It's a lot more catchy than "why some people play falco"
People forget Vars does this for 3 games from a very analytical perspective compared to direct experience. The series started with League of Legends, where the difference in pick rate can be 10% vs 0.1% in games. Vars obviously won't have the in-depth knowledge of every character, but the fact that he can make a video like this for many characters in 3 games is impressive.
I agree, it's really impressive that he is able to grind out quality content the way he does on 3 different channels consistently. That being said, don't really see it as an excuse to just get some things flat out wrong like a character usage rate when there are usage rate charts you can search for or even just talk to players about things considering he mentioned talking to Tilde in the video.
He’s spreading himself too thin as the lack of in depth knowledge leads to misinformation. He talks about Genshin’s meta too and he really is inconsistent with his information and sometimes is just straight up wrong
But his Genshin videos are garbage though. He flat out lies about units.
@@megadunsparce3672yea not
Him saying Nahida is the damage on a HB team.
@@LarryLurr That's completely fair. I know he occasionally brings in some people with better understanding to help on his videos which would have been good here. Either that or cite his sources. I know the generalization in the title is just to keep the title succinct and uniform, but since characters like Falco and Joker are more common and he has done things like "What happened to..." for Pichu and Ike I think, so there is flexibility there. I'm curious if he's working on these alone or has a team. If he has a team it would be easier for him to reach out to those in the respective communities he makes content for and gather better information.
"He has no style, he has no grace
Th-this Bird has a funny face" - Vars
FUN LARRY FACT: Larry placed 13th at Get on my level 2023, beating the likes of Zinoto, Syrup and Grape!
I always wanted to see more pros react to vars and see whether they agree with him or not. At least adding their own input.
I like Vars, but some of his takes are odd. No one plays Joker? He’s literally the second most played character in the game.
He said in a different video of his that he was wrong about that.
No agree but I think he talks about high level like super majors and majors. Usually involving like the top 50 players or something which is why his takes seem wild sometimes. Like for example fox is popular but at high ranks no. Same with joker there’s only like 2 joker players in top level being mkleo who barely plays him and like 1 other person
Is he really the second most played character in the game? I do not know what statistics people are using but I do hear a lot of them
He's wrong to say no one plays him, but you're wrong to say he's the second most played character in the game. Don't know about online, but for offline tournaments, ROB and Steve are the most played characters in the game by a wide margin. Joker is in the top 15 if I remember right.
Edit: I managed to find those stats again. So Joker is actually 8th, a little higher than I remembered. Still far from second. Admittedly, I've realized this list isn't about who is the most played in general, it's about which character makes it to and wins at least one game in either top 64 of a super major, top 32 of a major, top 16 of a b tier or top 8 of a c tier. Still pretty interesting.
Going by Eazy Freezie's character percentage placements, Joker is #10. Steve, ROB, Snake and Cloud are notably #1-4.
I agree, this character is outrageously underrated. The recovery is good, the vertical movement is the best, the spike, the side B, the combo game, the moving reflector… actually one of the sets where I’ve seen STEVE get his ass whooped the hardest was against a Falco in japan. It might be a hot take but I firmly believe that Falco is much better than Wolf, who is grossly overrated by everyone while virtually showing no consistency and no results, save two players (Jakal and Ouch).
Vars is noob bait. I'm not saying this in a disrespectful way, but he's like slightly out of touch with the competitive part of the game so he has to cater towards complete begginers, because lets be honest anyone who is like not an 0-2er knows most of the stuff he says is plainly wrong
Vars content confuses me a little. He has a video on why no one plays joker while joker is one of the most popular character in tournament. I guess you could argue that he's talking about it in top play and not general play but like there isn't enough top players to represent every character well
You have to consider when that video was made.
Joker has since picked up quite a bit of steam after his video came out.
??? That isn't at all true lol
He was wrong about Joker yeah, but to be fair, he's far from the only one I've seen pretending that no one plays him.
Who else is playing Joker at high level? Also, he is certainly NOT the most popular character in tournament lol where are you getting this from?
@@OseiTheWarriors According to ultrank, Joker is the 8th most common character in top 64 of supermajors and top 32 of majors. It's fair to say he's one of the most popular.
I feel like every "Top 64 or 128 breakdown of character representation" graphic for every major tournament I have seen has multiple Falcos in it. Falco should definitely be on the "why does everyone play" and not the "why does no one play"
Lol the revelation that falco is a punisher while fox is rushdown perfectly explains why getting lost in the falco sauce is bad while it’s good with fox 😂
I don't know why he was downing on side b that shit is BROKEN
Its complete aids, has virtually zero end lag
7:38 I laughed out loud when the guy said this whole showing tilde
the weird part of saying "why no one plays" about smash is that theres like 80 characters so some may be popular but in reality its hard to see consisntent characters in a top 64 when there are more than 64 fucking characters
That’s one thing I wished that people would recognize. People are always trying to find concrete reasons why the meta looks the way it does, but in a game with so many characters, random variability between character appearances comes into play.
Honestly i feel the same way about vars link video where he said links biggest weakness is his mobility mainly his ground and air speed (witch i do agree with) and while he did bring up the fact that link has one of the best fast falls in the game because it increases his fast fall speed by 60% instead on the usual 40% increase that is the only thing he brings up in regards to links movement, not the fact the he can b reverse and wave bouce both arrow or boomerang to mix up his movement while being safe on shield and mix up he approach option, or how he can use his fast fall at different points during his jump or his doible jump to change when he lands, add on to the fact that link at least in my opinion has some of the best shield pressure in the game,
I can go on and on about the stuff he missed with link but i wont, all i will say is he focuses way to much on the weakness a fighter has and not enough on the straights that the character has
I like Vars but MAN does he suck at finding clips. He might have the worst "thesis-illustration" dissonance for the type of niche he fills.
I do think the titles of Vars’ “Why Everyone/No One Plays” videos sounds pretty click-baity, though he does often (if not every video) clarify that he’s simply referring to the overall popularity (usage-wise) of the character he’s talking about for the general public, not just at top level or even high level, and pointing out why that might be in the context of all characters.
Really cool to see that Larry liked and supports Vars’ content even though he disagrees on a lot of his points on Falco - love it when two people can have opposing opinions and still respect each other
Vars has some weird takes sometimes.
The need for absolutes makes some of his videos feel really off. It’d be nice if bro just made “why a respectable amount of people play” vids for some of these characters even if he’d likely get fewer clicks.
I feel like that's a understatement. I think people just give him a pass because of how mellow he is.
@@alexspace9878bro it’s just a series name, there is no character in the roster that absolutely nobody plays. He’s just using hyperbole to make the name sound better
@@pyrex8 cmon man, I understand that. But the series name doesn’t work for like half the cast. It’s fair to point out that it’s kinda silly, especially when he hyperbolizes the characters further in the vids (exhibit A: this critique). The dude makes good content but I’d like it more if he just started a new series title.
@@alexspace9878 bro you did not just say “exhibit A” in a TH-cam comment section, pretentious ass and what do you wanna have him call the series “why people kind of play but also they don’t have much representation in competitive play”. He uses “why nobody plays” as a way to shorten the title and draw people in more
I agree with a lot of what you said about his video, but I think I agree with him when it comes to midrange. As a Marth player, when I think midrange I'm basically thinking the range of Marth's sword and his burst options, for example, which is too close to either do phantasm safely, or get a good punish with it, phantasm seems best at getting good conversions when it hits at the end of the move. At that midrange I think Falco really does not have many tools to deal with.
I wasn’t expecting to see so much Vars hate in the comments makes me sad
I don't really see people hating on Vars. It's just people pointing out that they disagree with some of his videos, which I think is totally fair. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the comments that also don't agree with some of my videos, but I wouldn't say it's them hating on me
@@LarryLurr How have we never gotten a Mockrock reaction this whole time? Vars lll is under a year old
9:24 I spat out my drink
Yeah, there are a lot of issues with that video. A lot of videos on that channel, in fact, but this has to be the least accurate.
Yea i rlly dont think he has a solid understanding of smash, he just seems to spout alot of misinformation, and hes able to get away with it because most smash players dont know much abt smash competitively anyways and the way the videos are presented makes it sound informative.
His Samus video made me quite angry over the astounding lack of understanding he had on what made her good. It was FULL of misinformation to the point where he’d say one thing while the footage he had rolling showed the opposite. I should pick it apart myself like you did here, Larry.
his samus video was pretty good I thought. Wouldn't call it full of misinformation. Of course he can't get everything right though.
Average Samus player mad at being reduced to charge shot. Understandable, but Vars wasn’t really wrong about too much in that video.
As a Gren main, his Greninja video to me also felt pretty forced to make a point, he basically said "he has one weakness but its such a big weakness that it makes him not viable" which imo is a pretty reductive way of looking at a character
@@shef_iyeah
Yea vars is hella cringe ngl. Also that video abt whether steve should be banned or not he trys to act like hes unbiased and doesnt take sides, but he provides a heavily biased narrative on why steve shouldnt be banned.
This just highlights what a class act larry is. Willing to concede where there is agreement is a commodity in a space where most ppl typically take pot shots to make the other look stupid. Larry does this without ever denouncing anything he did disagree with, in a light and respectful manner. Came with the facts and a smile, i dig.
Im glad that you mentioned that f smash lol 11:22
10:25, I dunno, I definitely feel wolf has an easier combo game than falco :D
I mean, not every move of Wolf's combos into every other move. Most of his combos are 2-pieces, short aerial combos, and some Shine stuff. His tilts don't combo and he can only start combos with grabs and aerials, so it's harder to actually start combos with him. His combos don't last as long, so while his combo game can be easy, it's not nearly as good. Falco's combo game is actually very easy, and he literally has like 10 different ways to start his combos.
Vars is known to have a bad understanding of this game
most of this guys videos on why 'x character' isnt getting played are clickbait or just untrue
This guy has never come into contact with the Philly Falco Hivemind
Vars is such a fraud. He once told me that Pit having multiple jumps isn't a useful strength because "Well if multiple jumps are so good then why isn't Kirby top tier?"
Genshin player here: Yea Varrs doesn’t really know what he’s talking about on most of his games.
He messes up basic Genshin meta facts all the damn time.
Some of Vars videos have been pretty spot on (Plant, Ganon, Aegis) and some were kinda off (Joker, Sephiroth, Falco).
I have a feeling when he makes more along the way, some will be easy Why Everyone Plays (Palutena, Mario, Lucina) and some Why No One Plays (Isabelle, Ice Climbers, Jigglypuff, etc.)
And I main puff…I think some puff mains include Bassmage, HBox, Senra, PJiggles, Cardless, Sin, but that’s about all I got :(
@9:50 I see you with that Dragon's Nest music
when talking about whiff-punish character, please do not forget about ken
Weird how 2 youtubers ended up roasting vars in the same day
How are you supposed to SDI Falco's combos? I was hoping he would go into it around 6:20 but he doesn't
there's only one way to settle who's right: a vars vs larry FT10.
No one plays Falco? There’s like 7 in my region!
I feel like vars in general just talks out his arse and rlly doesnt know enough abt smash. Ive just dismissed his content as misinformation.
I kept think the vars video had to be old like a year or more ago. Nah its two weeks old
It’s funny how half the videos that guy makes are always shot down by the top players of those characters 😂
Hey Larry! So I have mained cloud and had falco as a secondary for 3 years now. I do think people use falco weaknesses to overshadow his true strengths because falco is very good in my opinion and he is more popular then how people think.
His videos have a lot of misinformation, his Samus video in particular was awful. He doesn't seem to get advice from top players or dedicated mains at all.
Thank you Larry for protecting us from the lies
He did the same video on Sephiroth lol. I feel like he tries to do controversial videos just to garner attention.
Never trust a league player
Another banger Larry
I like Vars a lot but I disagreed with this video. Falco is played by so many players and he is good. A lot of the things said about Falco were either wrong or partially true. Like, some context was missing. It was odd. To be fair, he did get a good amount of stuff right.
He was spittin Larry, take the dub! Also, no shot falco is easier than wolf, everyone and their mom has a pocket wolf for a reason.
I play falco. Falco is FREE wins imo
Im not that surprised. I play Ultimate and Genshin and his takes on both are....rough. i actually think his Smash opinions are a bit better but man his Genshin takes are generally not good. I learned pretty quickly to go somehwere else for info on both games.
Does everybody hate Falco?
I know I do lol
Now that we're here, someone knows a good falco guide?
Great video Larry
That Tem Shop song was very distracting.
8:03 'animal corssing
i think falco is a great character. he goes even with a lot of metagame threats and isn’t hard to pick up, as you mentioned. in my opinion he’s an A tier character even if top players disagree with me, i stand on that.
Falco in my opinion still is threatening at midrange because of the fact that the opponent has to expect side B, meaning that they're prone to shielding, which allows you to run up and get close. Conversely, you can also back off and spam lasers at them to prompt them to approach. He has few answers at midrange, but one of those answers is very strong, especially when coupled with the fact that you can utilize the threat of it to bring the fight back outside of the midrange.
Yeah buts he’s also light which means the reward of the risk of that Side B when you are fighting good players who can kill you off a single hit makes it not as threatening.
@@sauce8277 Then don't side B at the wrong time. Your opponent still has to watch out for it even if you don't use it. That alone creates a little bit of pressure that could help you open up your opponent later on. And the fact that he's light makes it more rewarding for the opponent to shield it, and therefore more obvious an option. That's the point I was originally making. Also, there are certain scenarios where it's safe to use the move. For one, against characters that don't have low-hitting backward OOS options, side B is fairly safe, as the opponent has to drop shield, turn around, and grab, which is not fast enough. Additionally, doing it from the air makes the move safer on shield, and at the lowest altitude, Falco doesn't have hitlag when doing it.
@@bluyu You are misunderstanding.
Being light does exactly the opposite. It lessens the pressure your side B has because it does not matter how good you play, you are always limited by your character. If you have one of the lightest characters in the game, every advancing move has less pressure then any other character because you don’t have percent to play around with. You are literally limited by math. The opponent known they can get hit by TWO side B’strings. They don’t care because because it only takes them blocking ONE from you. That’s the gist of it.
This escalates and becomes worse and worse with pro players. You just think this pressure is legitimate because you play WiFi where it’s harder for people to actually delete your stocks from a wiff punish let alone a professional.
@@sauce8277 Ok first, I never said being light increases the pressure of the move. Literally when did I say that? I said it makes counterplay against it more obvious. Also (here's some math for you too), there are some scenarios where you simply cannot punish the move in certain positions due to the nature and frame data of the move (varies from character to character), which changes depending on whether you do it on the ground or in the air. And another thing: who in their right mind uses that move when they're at kill % anyways? It seems as if you're treating it like Falco will die if he uses the move at any time. If he's at a low %, it's well worth the risk as an approaching option, since if the opponent punishes you, it either has to be a true combo or the character has to have disjoints for it to mean much, since Falco can frame 3 nair out of strings and reversal you. And guess what? Most characters with strong disjoints have weak combo games that are even weaker when it comes to OOS. Phantasm is mainly good for calling out landings or whiffed moves. If your idea of using it in neutral involves doing it cross-stage at an actionable opponent on the ground, then you're thinking outside of the practical scope of the move. You're not supposed to use it as a kill confirm unless the opponent has a very slow airdodge/jump or you're doing it from offstage as a reversal (such as a ledge slip Phantasm). This means you're mainly going to be using it earlier during the stock/game, which is all that matters, since Falco doesn't really need to approach anymore once he has a lead. The risk/reward of the move at lower %s is: deal 80% or kill/take some damage. The only characters that can reliably kill you at low %s OOS are like Steve and Kazuya, and Falco already does well in those MUs without Phantasm. And no, I do not play WiFi, because WiFi is a sham. The only time I play WiFi is when I am playing with friends in arenas with good connection. Otherwise, I strictly play offline.
@@bluyu Point simply, I disagree with you and you have to accept that. You being carried by a top tier air dodge and people who cant punish you enough to swing the risk/reward and most importantly swing it to the CORRECT level, doesn’t prove your point. Falco doesn’t have some undiscovered rock solid neutral. He is a disgustingly light character with a terrible recovery. And if you played against actual good players, they would enlighten you about the risk reward very quickly. Later bro. Last message here
Bro this is so creepy, last night I’m like the Falco agenda is real. Then I said Larry lurr has to breakdown vars video cause I just don’t agree with it but I don’t understand why. Next day you drop this video
Falco a punish character? That's a new one
I think he did falco because he is going through the echo fighters/clones that are less popular.
I was excited for this!
His videos brings awareness to many characters at least thats a positive thing to think about.
good video!
Just play online and you'll find a bunch of Falcos
what
Does everyone hate Falco?
Who’s m0tsunabe? I only know MASA jr.
First no way I fought it 3 minutes after
it's unusual and not entirely right. but i think the video's alright, just not completely accurate to begin with, all opinions aside.
also opportunity for more react content, so at least that's a plus.
Awesome vid! Just like the #4 from LJS! 🐟 🍟
Larry content always pog
Possible hot take I think falco is the best spacie
Zoomer editing is nice
Larry it is just offensive to me that you start your video off with an ad. At least setup the content first
Never liked Vars
Obviously he can't get every take right, but Vars has a fundamentally good understanding of what makes a character competitively good, or bad in video games.
His titles really boil down to 1. This character isn't very good because of X traits and other characters can do it better. And 2. This is why this character is so good
Larry when he says nobody plays, its his series name, ofc people are gonna play anyone in the roster. You don’t gotta be like “erm actually”
I agree, good thing I'm not taking it literally
Not sure if you know this but he also has another series title called why everyone plays. Considering Falco is one of the most used characters in Ultimate I think it would make more sense to title the video that, crazy idea but I think it would actually work 🤓
@@LarryLurr you do realize he’s going off competitive only right? There are only 5 notable players that main falco and only 2 on the most recent power ranking and that’s tilde and MASA
@@pyrex8 You do realize he made a video called why everyone plays Bowser right? There's no notable Bowser players on the rankings and even less Bowser players getting notable results compared to Falco
@@LarryLurr you do realize if we were talking about any other character besides your main you would be agreeing with vars right ?
@@pyrex8 Of course! Because as stated earlier, everyone plays Bowser competitively right?
He plays Genshin Impact and League of Legends, any opinion he has is instantly invalid.