I visit one of the oldest Supercharger sites in the UK and join the queue...
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- Just how difficult is it to drive a Tesla in the UK when you're on a schedule? How does the car's navigation manage charging stops?
And the BIGGEST question of all - will I need to queue? I visit a very old supercharger, knowing there is a queue, so that you don't have to...
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Just got my first Tesla so any explaining of Tesla 'technology' like satnav is really interesting and educational to newcomers like me! Thank you
Think all destination chargers are 32A, that one has presumably only got a single phase supply rather than 3 phase.
1 phase 7kW, 3 phases 22kW.
4 years in, not queued yet. Drove Aberdeenshire to London and back between Xmas and New Year.
Charging was busy, Perth was as busy as I've ever seen it, but always had spaces when I arrived.
another cracking video as always and getting to see my beloved SWFC @1:05 cheers me up more as i live in glasgow ha
I’ve had my model Y LR over a year and had to queue twice. Once was for five minutes outside of Liverpool at the services, and the other was at Warwick services for two minutes. To be fair, I routed to Warwick instead of going further down. Also, both sites use split charging rather than v3 s. Another great video 😊
Love your dedication to spreading the word and suggesting we "Just get a Tesla"! :) Happy New Year!
The question is though, what do you do if you just don't like Tesla's?
If you want an EV? Get another brand. If you don't want an EV - don't! I'm not forcing anyone.
Thanks for the very informative video, I have never seen a real explanation of the information provided by the Tesla map for the superchargers, I will be ordering my first EV a Tesla M3 soon and this was one of the things I was concerned about but this was very useful.
Glad to hear it! Honestly it’s very simple
I really like these old tucked away chargers that were presumably installed before there were so many Teslas on the road so a pair of them was perfectly fine. There are 8 near Maidstone hiding behind a hedge on the edge of a housing estate which seem really ad-hoc but are in a really good place. The hotel nearby has even tapped into the charging and setup a little lobby coffee shop for them.
Came across these chargers, in the evening they are often full. But handy for the Hotel and the M&S.
That tucked away site in Maidstone is far less convenient than the BP chargers in the M&S car park that you can see through binoculars 😁
Had to wait for about 20 mins at Keele N’bound mid december at midday. Was 2 cars ahead of me. First time I’ve not been able to jump on after arriving.
Come to Ireland and have fun checking out the entire supercharger fleet of 54 stalls in 9 locations !
Ah, never worry. The Tesla computer would just redirect you to Liverpool via the Dublin ferry and you might find a charging point there :)
I always enjoy watching your videos and this one is no exception. I like the idea of the destination charger next to the SuperChargers. I've only used a SuperCharger once, just because I could and this was when I had a Tesla Model Y which sadly I lost in an accident right at the beginning of October last year. I still have another BEV which is a BYD ATTO 3 and which although thoroughly enjoyable, I do miss my MY RWD. I'm now waiting for the new Juniper MY to be released later this year here in Australia. What city are you from in the UK as I thought you were Scotland based? I spent many years in West Yorkshire before I started travelling ending up in Mandurah, WA. Them wert daze!
I was heading to Sheffield recently I contacted the folks at Tankersley Manor about these chargers. They were great and welcoming. The chargers are fast enough if you are having lunch in the hotel and as you point out, there are other chargers to go to if you are wanting to top up and go quickly.
They are fast enough if you are having lunch? How long does your lunch last? That battery was showing over 6 hours to charge the battery from 27%! You evangelists are absolutely crazy lol
@@Bad-wolfe I was talking about the Superchargers there. Also. . . long lunches can be fun. Chill man!
@2E0JSI - if you use a lot of 7kW chargers why would you need to charge to 100% or anywhere near it? Most people do short daily trips - which is why a lot of people don't fill their fuel tanks. Same thing.
It was a great strategy. And I bet it worked for hotel.
The best ‘destination DC charger’ I’ve been to was 25kw. Gave me plenty of time without the pressure to return within 90 mins with a 50kw.
3 weeks in with the MYLR and we’ve done a fair few supercharging stops, thanks to the usual Xmas long distance family visits. Haven’t needed to queue either, so far, but it’s come close twice where I popped onto the last stall. Mind you the “queue” time was still extremely short for the person who arrived just after me as people are not spending long periods charging.
The south Manchester supercharger in Stockport is interesting as it’s got 8 stalls but 4 of them are, I think, older v2 and shared. Weirdly because those are next to the entrance they always seem to fill first, leaving the faster v3 (again, I think!) non-shared stalls at the back open.
As new EV owners we’ve found the charging experience to be really smooth using the cars navigation routing. I’ve never felt range anxiety and we’ve either filled our time charging with comfort/food breaks, or chatted to the other people charging. EV drivers seem to be quite social!
As ever thanks for the sensible grounded content, your channel really helps dispel a lot of the misinformation that EVs seem to attract.
Yes, charger chatting absolutely is a thing!
Surely having more chargers even slower ones, is better than having less? Who knows, perhaps someone might be in desperate need of that charger?
As a non Tesla owner I have used the destination charger at a Hotel I was staying in , Very useful.
I use one in Stockton on Tees when I stay there
7KW/32A is exactly what I get across the pond at home through my Tesla mobile connector. Great rate if you’ll be at the location for some time, but not really useful if you are in a hurry to leave.
Yes, the other ones I use obviously were 3-phase. Hence offering 22kW which the car caps at 11kW
Never been to a two stall supercharger site before lol. Here in Norway our installations are quite large. In 5 years I have never queued in any country including the UK.
I visited one of the newest supercharger sites in Knoxville Tennessee.
And joined the que.
But 17 more cats need to join before a que existed.
I was one of 3 at a 20 stalls site
Trauma! How did you cope 😂
@@justgetatesla yes it was lonely..
Great video. Common sense 101.
Non Tesla owner and I've waited four times in 13 months in most cases for less than 10 minutes and once for 15 minutes. Only waited once because all units were busy, all other times because 30% to 50% charging units were faulty.
Faulty units - a big problem
Those chargers are probably taking up 75% of the load for the whole village 😂🤣😂
Doubtful- do you know how much power a big hotel needs?
@@justgetatesla It wasn't a serious comment but the point is I doubt the supply there would allow for more chargers.
Re Ferrybridge, I had read that due to lack of supply from the grid chargers were having to be powered via batteries and generators running on bio-fuel. Do you know if this is still the case and did it apply to the Tesla chargers?
I’ve been to Ferrybridge quite a few times and never seen them!
@@justgetatesla memory not as good as used to be lol but think 12 were being installed but only 6 in use until grid power connected - may not have been tesla tho, btw enjoy your posts 👍
As an EV owner of 8 years, I'm of the opinion that the charging network is as bad as it's ever going to be today, in that any day in the future is a day better then one in the past. I'd love to see some real data on the number of chargers V the number of EV's, as I'm sure the ratio is better now then at anytime in my 8 years of ownership. And thats only going to get better, just drive into Exeter services and you will see what the future looks like, an empty newly refurbished petrol station and 50+ in use high power EV chargers. There is money in selling electric to EV drivers and as they wait around a little more, there is also upsell of flashy coffees and donuts, so it just makes commercial sense for the providers to provide.
Will get worse slightly before it gets better only have to look at the increase in new EV versus the increase in new chargers the ratio is getting worse .
@@PabloTBrave like I said I’d love to see the data on that for 50kw or above, as I’m seeing many locations going from 2 to 20 or even 50, plus new multi charger locations appearing as well.
@@PabloTBrave OK I'll answer my own question now I have searched a little, looks like 33% more Rapids in 2023 from 6k to 8k, and EV's went from 663K to 978K so does look a very similar rate of increase, data came from Zapmap and the .gov websites
@@martinweston8147 i hadn't read the latest figures which have only just been released , I still think it will get slightly worse before it sorts itself out for a number of reasons though .
I'm optimistic. There are an awful lot of new chargers going in. Would be good for some of the older ones to have maintenance done, but we're getting there.
We have had our MY standard range for 9 months. Never queued.
Just made a trip to Southampton docks from Chester. Stopped at Warwick services and only got 75kw so didn’t fully charge as we was going to do a top up at tesla Winchester so we would be near fully charged when coming home of the ship, wasn’t happy at all with Winchester tesla showroom superchargers they was all full but only had to wait about 5mins, then was only getting 35kw as they are a,b,c,d so four sharing the
Power supply not so good and there’s wasn’t anymore superchargers on route
I'm surprised you didn't leave the live status up on the screen till that guy left, and see how long it took to update to 'available'
I know from experience that the answer is "it depends". I have seen the number of stalls update immediately, and other times it takes a minute or so.
Try saying that anywhere east of Ferrybridge. When I visit Barnsley, I drive all the way back to Scarborough without passing a Tesla Supercharger ( I'm not going to go to central Leeds), so the Barnsley Supercharger is my only chance to charge without paying expensive Gridserve , ( I'm a yorkshireman for God's sake)
Hi Iv just got a Tesla I subscribe and enjoy your videos Iv got a question as you say in this video there are lots of charges but I have friends in Bridlington and there are no changes on the east coast any where near Bridlington I have to change my car up to 100% and if I stay there and go to whitby for the day then I still can't change to get home
Thanks daz
That part of Englands coast has been short of chargers for a long time! I know that previously the reason given was that Tory North Yorkshire council refused to allow any development of chargers - whether they have entered the 21st century yet or not I don't know.
Stopped there a couple of months ago, mid-morning on a Sunday, on my way back south from Newcastle…. On arrival both were occupied, but only had to wait 20 mins before one came free…did a 20 min charge and by the time i left around 12 noon there were 3 waiting and another 2 driving in! Seems quite popular site still!
ONLY had to wait 20 mins. Then another 20 mins to charge! Ouch. If it took me that long to feed my car petrol, I'd buy a bicycle LOL.
@@legpeguk thats why its not an ideal site - only two chargers - however in Droitwich I regularly stop at my local sainsbury's which has a garage - often see ICE cars queuing for diesel/petrol...so swings and roundabouts
@@nickbrooker1411 I guess we all have to queue in life for different things, but I've never had to queue for 20 mins or more for petrol. What is annoying is when people don't hurry back to their cars, rather do a bit of shopping first. Do EVs often overstay their welcome too at charging points, even when fully charged?
@@legpeguk every few years we have a fuel crisis - garages running out of fuel, limiting supply, vehicles queing for an hour or more - happens everywhere!
@@nickbrooker1411 Well in 30 years of driving I've never had a single problem refuelling. The only "crisis" was way back in 1999, but even then petrol was available where I lived.
If your argument is going to get this ridiculous, consider how often the power grid fails. I have experienced many more power cuts in my life than "fuel crises". Happens everywhere!
I use those chargers if I can't charge at work for free because I can't charge at home as I live in a flat. I have had to wait once. I only ever go in the evening to be fair
Try it in NI we only have 4 in the country
If you do have to queue then what is the etiquette? Is it like being at the barbers where everyone just knows who is next in the queue?
Honestly have no idea! I’ve never had to queue in real life
If you’re friends are saying charging non tesla’s is still terrible they either don’t travel or are terrible at planning, I took my ID3 from Edinburgh to Cornwall, all 150 + chargers, the Kinross site is 350 kWh chargers.
I thought you kept horses in stalls!
I was waiting for it to burst into flames. Disappointed! 😉
Youd think it would be easier cheaper and quicker to extend and upgrade existing sites than find new ones... Assuming there is enough electricity capacity in the area
Hi Ian, not directly related to the old slow supercharger thing, but I’m wondering (as someone that might well be changing to a Model Y in the near future), if you have an experience, thoughts or comments about the black vs white interior ?
I’m tempted by the white, but I generally wear dark clothing, jeans etc, and have to lug garden and chicken supplies around from time to time, so I’m wondering if white would just be a disaster, or if it’s actually much more resistant to marks / easier to clean than I suspect it might be.
We have white. I used a nano coating as soon as we got it, since then just wipes with baby wipes.
Thanks for commenting- I’ve never had a light interior in any car!
I have light interior and not had a problem in the 2 months of ownership.
@@justgetatesla decided that discretion is the better part of valour etc (or maybe just chickened out), and ordered a YLR with black interior.
Now ‘I’m just having ‘interesting’ discussions with Tesla and the financiers after I placed the order for March delivery (giving me time to top-up the deposit and sort out the existing Zoe) but Tesla decided to allocate a car for delivery next week with none of the finance incentives that were present when placing the order!
Strange…….i’ve used the nav to get to Scotland, it’s chosen Tebay and Tebay was full when I arrived and I only had 6% SOC. Of course this will only get worse with Open to All as Tesla tech has no idea whether spaces are empty but blocked and if cars are on route. We need more chargers…….another 50000 Teslas sold in the UK in 2023!
I would imagine that the charging stall reports to Tesla whether it is charging, regardless of which vehicle. Surely?
Tebay superchargers not open to non Teslas. It's a bit of a bottleneck when South is Charnock Richard and North is Gretna.
@@justgetateslayes but if someone with the charge port parks in 1B and uses the cable from 1A, Tesla doesn't know that 1B is physically blocked but not charging.
@@justgetateslait knows which stall is charging but reports ‘vacant’ stalls when they can’t be accessed in Open to All locations where they’re blocked by cars charging via the ‘wrong ‘ side.
Tebay isn’t an Open to All but 20+ locations are now, including my local in Newport and Cardiff.
Obviously it is not ideal for these slower 2 stall V2s. But as to why are they still there as shown in your video they do get used and from the time usage graph that one is busy a lot of time. I can't see Tesla getting rid of them as even small slow ones are better then none.
Plus its a cost they've incurred so its all revenue now.
You should chat to the DPD drivers who are sat at the Trafford centre superchargers in Manchester all day - that's a bad advert for electric 😂
DPD going electric is a bad advert for electric vehicles?
@@justgetatesla looks like they charge very slowly, taking up space, so the drivers are sat there bored. I'm pro Tesla but it does look looney when people are sat in their vehicles
I spent 20 years on the road in various commercial roads. Sitting in a car parked up is normal 😁
@@justgetatesla but there's a difference when you do it by choice or you can't go about your day because you don't have the charge. DPD should get their own chargers at depots. It has compliance vehicle written all over it. When I was last there you could see people giving funny looks because you are sitting in your car charging. The cold winter in the US just showed Teslas are actually a risk getting from supercharger to supercharger in the Midwest in freezing temps with 95 miles effective range on the model Y. The Chicago incident was mostly down to ride share drivers not preconditioning the vehicle they rent. But Tesla should have prevented that.
A basic non EV owner question. I don't often need a satnav so just drive screenless and concentrate purely on the road.. Is it necessary to have a constant screen on in an EV.
In a Tesla? Yes - because the speedometer and basic controls are all on it. You don’t have to show the map though!
Kind of slow , kind of old ? You know me so well lol.
50kW is a nice speed for chargers at supermarkets and fast food restaurants.
I think for most EV needs, 50kW chargers should become the go-to speed for any chargers installed in car parks of shopping centres and town centres, replacing 7kW. A vast number of 50kW would allow most shoppers to charge to 80 to 90 % while they eat or do their shopping for an hour or so.
7kW is just too slow: good for hotels and huge park and ride car parks where cars are parked for several hours, but if I only need to charge 7kWh while I shop for groceries or grab a coffee, it means I’m only travelling locally and most likely charge at home. If I was to be on a long trip, I would want to charge much more in one hour.
Arguably, a faster charger where I only stop for 10-15 minutes for the same amount of charge would be just as convenient, except it does not take advantage of the amenities on site.
It’s obvious the problem is with the speed at which new sites are installed and the reliability of those chargers.
Tesla seems to have addressed one problem (super fast charging) but not the other: put a charger on every lamppost.
An interesting point which mirrors what people like Gridserve are doing. I have seen a few of their sites where some chargers are labeled 50kW and others 350kW
That's because most people don't drive ev's! If they did it would be a nightmare! Think about it man!
My Volvo EV with Google Maps and Plugshare on in-car screen does this almost as well as Tesla. We all know Tesla is the benchmark .. but others are catching. Just buy a Volvo 😁
I had one! And loved it!
Ive never spent more than 30 mins in McDonald's so rapid chargers are probably valid there not so much ikea as you could spend weeks lost in there . Rapid chargers in mcds may help the 40% population people without. home charging . The right charging device should be installed depending on location use so I agree rapid chargers shouldnt be at cinemas massive shopping complex like meadowhall as people tend to spend 2 or more hours there and 7/22kw chargers would likely be more suitable
I'm sure when I checked the Edinburgh airport one, it was a single charger, and in a ticketed car park, to boot.
As I understand it security let you through the barrier if you are charging
@@justgetatesla There was a posted procedure, but since I was driving my diesel Mercedes at the time I didn't take much notice. I didn't buy my Tesla until after the Edinburgh service centre and first rake of chargers opened there.
You are well out of date about normal charger sites, when was the last time you charged a non Tesla, there are loads of new charging sites with 12 plus chargers, I drive my ID3 up and down the country, don’t know what your friends are telling you but they are also mistaken.
Huh?
Are destination chargers free?
Usually!
I have heard normally that particular destination charger is turned off unless you ask as a customer of the hotel
I’ve heard some are like that. Never seen it in practice yet - they’ve always been on and free
Weren't they succeeded by turbo-chargers?
Just go to another Charge point🤦🏻♂️
Will take a lot for you to admit that EV's do shortcomings won't it?😜. If you lived in Australia your opinion may be slightly different.
Do you want me to make videos in the uk talking about my experiences of EVs in Australia? EVs may not work for you in Aus. I haven’t claimed they would…
I guess I’m just saying that EV’s and the infrastructure is not (at this stage) an answer to replacing ICE cars. There is also more and more questions being asked about the green credentials of EV’s. in my opinion EV’s are for people who enjoy the performance and technology associated with EV’s and not a replacement for ICE vehicles. For example the EV semi has not seen the explosion that Musk predicted.
You don't get anything for a pair, Ian. Not in this game 😊
It's because we're poor around here 🤣🤣
Sheffield? Went to uni there and have worked there twice. Fantastic city!
@@justgetatesla you might want to check your geography Tankersley is in Barnsley not Sheffield
[checks map] yes, sorry! Like various "sheffield" things to the east its not actually Sheffield. Its ok. Have got family from Salford and they're always getting called Manchester.
@@justgetatesla haha yeah that's never a good thing as I also know a couple of folks from Salford too 🤣
Just get a diesel/petrol......🤣
Why?
Yes, I’ve got petrol. What’s your point?
LOL. So a 500 mile drive turns out to be more like 1000 miles because you have to divert all the time to available charging points! Then you have to wait for 20 mins or so to claim a few extra miles?
I have a car which can be "charged" at all available fuel stations which are plentiful. It takes 2 minutes and I can take any route I choose without relying on computers! Plus I don't need an "app" or subscription to any club. Nor worry about adaptors, or broken charging stations.
Oh and everyone forgets where the electricity comes from too. There aren't enough windmills to keep a green promise by a long margin. So lets burn more coal and oil!
Also tell us how much the tyres cost as well as the other running costs. A know a Tesla service is a LOT more than you might expect, despite the simplicity of the tec.
What i don't understand is that people like you spend a lot of time of your short life commenting on videos of a car that you don't like and will never buy. it is not for everyone, but it benefits so many people including myself and i saved over £7000 for fuel and maintenance for replacing my fossil car with an EV. it works for me, great, it does not work for you, sucks.
Good morning! Thanks for bringing the comedy to the channel. Let’s me tear this apart and have a laugh if you don’t mind:
“500 miles turns into “1,000”. It’s a road trip, not a proclaimers song.
“Wait for 20 minutes” - my total time waiting for a charge is zero minutes
“To claim a few extra miles” - claim from whom?
“All available fuel stations” my car does most of its charging as I sleep. Beats any fuel station.
“I can take any route I choose” - same - “without computers”. - same. Though you and I both know that *most* drivers use satnav all the time. Which is why car manufacturers all fit satnav to meet demand.
“Plus I don’t need an app” - yep, that’s what Tesla is. You just plug in and it starts charging quicker than it takes your fuel station attendant to notice you and push the button.
“Or subscription” - same. But when I did use petrol/diesel I had various “subscription” style cards to earn points by fuelling with the same brand.
“Everyone forgets where electricity comes from”. Correct. An ever - growing percentage from non-fossil sources. “Let’s burn more coal and oil”. We don’t burn either of those. Some gas, but that is down to 35%
www.cityam.com/the-numbers-dont-lie-the-uks-renewable-energy-transition-is-going-better-than-you-think/
“Tell us how much the tyres cost” - dunno - on 27k miles I am thousands of miles from needing them. And when I buy them they will be cheaper than the tyres were on my previous Volvo diesel which had even bigger wheels.
“Other running costs”. Well I had a blown headlight but as Tesla has no service plan the servicing costs have been zero, insurance is high but no higher than similar performance cars (see Compare the Market and RSymons TH-cam), and tax is zero.
“I know Tesla service is more than you expect”. There is no service. None. Zero.
Anything else? Please warn me next time you post “facts” so I can get a bag of popcorn ready
Well done in taking my comments and changing the context completely.
"500 miles turns into 1000" may well be a song, but the point I was making is that your journey time in a Tesla is much less predictable.
"Wait for 20 mins" this really made me laugh. I wasn't referring to the queue, rather the time it takes to charge (in best case scenario). I can "charge" in under 1 minute!
Although I like the principle of the electric car, I laugh at how badly it is being introduced. I would love one, but it would be too costly, especially due to the fact I couldn't charge it at home.
As for the comment about fossil fuels.... Think about it carefully. If we all drove electric cars, we'd be burning more oil than by driving ICE cars. There is no infrastructure for this and until there is a sensible plan, I will never buy one.
Is there a rule somewhere that states saving the planet has to be cheaper or easier then not saving the planet?@@legpeguk
@legpeguk - you can refuel in under 1 minute? No, you can't. And you appear to be one of those drivers claiming to only stop for fuel, regardless of the length of trip. Most drivers stop. Motorway services full of cars. Roadside McDonalds with busy car parks. People stop. And when I stop, the car charges. Back when I had a car I had to fuel it it was do a stop, and *then* add the time to refuel.
As for the comment on oil, I don't get you. How does an EV "burn more oil" than a car that burns oil? A fuel car burns electricity to pump oil then to crack it then to pump the refined fuels then it burns some of that fuel to transport it and more electricity to pump it - only for most of the energy in the fuel to be lost in heat and transmission loss. And don't say "where does your electricity come from" as (a) we don't burn oil for electricity in the UK and (b) we're down to only 1/3 of energy being from fossil fuel. The rest is renewable and nuclear.
"refuel in under 1 minute". What a spanner.
Another sensible grown up video showing how to manage the use of an EV still got the children on the other channels running around like headless chickens with Tesla living rent free in their heads everyday
Another pointless EV video.......
Thanks for watching it
@@justgetatesla Great response. 😀
All hail the algorithm! 😅