Thank you for making this video. After over 50 years of going to church through out my life (many denominations, presbyterians, baptists, and non-denominations, both big and small.), I came to the same conclusion after studying the Bible, and feeling uneasy with modern church. It felt like no one else understood me, but now I'm so happy that I'm not alone. Pastors have become priests, acting as intermediaries, like in the old testament, like when they need to bless the offerings and tithes like a sacrifice on the altar, wearing religious outfit. In the Bible, I believe that communion was having fellowship and sharing meals with fellow believers, not eating tiny piece of dried bread and drinking an ounce of grape juice as a ritual. I'm not anti-church. I am still a member of local presbyterian church and I try to serve. I just wanted true fellowship and meaningful worship, not some religious ceremonies week in and week out.
I’ve been asked to leave many churches because I questioned doctrine,I’m on the team,I’m a believer BUT when churches claim Sola Scriptura I hold them to that,unfortunately it gets me in trouble.
When i first became a Christian i read the bible cover to cover and came to the same conclusion. True worship is to help each other and serve each other and to tell the world about the gospel. Bless you for edifying us
Except that the Bible isn’t the only source of teaching. It says to follow a Church as well. The one Jesus founded. The Catholic Church is the only one that can trace her roots to Jesus and the Bible
@@crsw7041 not true the Greek orthodox was before Roman catholic. Now you prey to Mary or Isis you have satanic symbols like obelisk at the Vatican the rosemary beads cone from Buddhism the head gear worn by your priests is the head gear of dagon. No the Roman catholic Church is evil and satanic they even brought in heresy like Christmas and Easter. I could go on and on but you will deny it, but we Christians know better. Send me a reply and I'll expose more false teaching
I was saying the same thing back in my early days as a pastor in the 70s, as "worship" became a watchword. I thought the "rediscovery of worship" was an unhealthy development, so I preached an entire series entitled "The Reason for Our Gathering. I argued that worship is not a prominent New Testament theme and that the purpose of our gathering was not worship but edification. I was a voice crying in the wilderness, and my tiny finger was not able to plug the leak in the dike of subjective emotionalism that began to flood the evangelical church. The tide of churches providing an exciting experience was irresistible, but the waters were not deep, and neither were those swept away by it. Listening to this was refreshing, though it will change nothing. However, I have often thought that the most appropriate song to be sung in a modern "worship service would be B.J. Thomas' "I'm Hooked on a Feeling."
Mark, I believe that the primary reason for our gathering is Holy Communion where we commune and partake of the body and blood of Christ. "Grant us, therefore, gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of your dear Son Jesus Christ, and to drink his blood, that our sinful bodies may be made clean by his body, and our souls washed through his most precious blood, and that we may evermore dwell in him, and he in us. Amen. "
@roddumlauf9241 Yes, in the Catholic Church and some Protestant churches similar to Catholic, such as Anglican, Episcopalian, who recognize sacramental Presence. They do not refer to reverent singing of hymns as "worship, " but to the participation in the Eucharistic liturgy.
Too many churches call music “worship”and go off the chain with it . There will be no wresting the meeting away from the music people since they are convinced they “lead worship”. I drew back a bloody stump for suggesting the volume be lowered.
My old church got so loud I couldn't bear it. When I said something to our pastor's wife, she said it was to reach out to the young people. I thought that's what reading the WORD was supposed to do.
I was a pastoring a mission church for 24 years. But when I studied the NT carefully, I came to the conclusion that what I was doing was not right. During COVID we dismantled the 'church structure'. Now it's a house church and I no longer 'pastor'. The body of Christ is edified on a regular basis. But I assume the role of building the leadership of this church. What you have said gives me the clear biblical handle to boldly pursue this idea of biblical church. Thank you!
I love what you said, but I would tweak it slightly. Instead of saying, "what I was doing was not right," I would say, "what I was doing produced and perpetuated several problems." I think we do well when we get the "right" or "wrong" ideas out of our heads. Let's focus on what is most consistent with the biblical evidence and what is most productive for edifying the body of Christ.
So what do you as a pastor do with Sunday mornings? Or did u eliminate the Sunday morning gatherings? As I’m thinking about more … what about children who come to Sunday school and do not receive teaching from the Word at home or teens? I’m fascinated by what this might look like. Our “worships services” have been so “normalized” it’s difficult to even imagine great changes. Note I am definitely on board with what I’m learning … it’s almost shocking to me as life long believer. 🇨🇦 ❤
@@yvonnekneeshaw2784 Hi Yvonne. Take a look at Video #7, in which I tried to give some practical suggestions: "Worship #7 What Do We Do Now?" th-cam.com/video/CGPSQVoZrMg/w-d-xo.html I hope you find it helpful!
@@yvonnekneeshaw2784 I'm not a shepherd but if I was, I would build an assembly of Jesus where everyone had input with a song or some insight and after that, I would have a short reading from the words of Jesus. There shouldn't be any sermon, which many if not most people sit through but do not like. And I would call us "the assembly of Jesus" at whatever city I was in, because that is what Jesus called it. "Upon this rock I will build my assembly. . ."
Your correct. We are told as disciples to go and make disciples of every nation. You can not make disciples of non-believers, and you can not bear each other's burdens in a large group like a church, to many people. We are not all told to evangelise in mass. That is a gift of some only. Even though we can all testify about Christ and give the gospel. We have strayed from what we all were told to do. We all need to edify (lift up )each other in the body. Jesus said the way is straight and the gate is narrow, and few are those who find it. Scary stuff.
@HappyPenguin75034 yes we can all share the gospel to those we meet on a personal level. But sharing the Gospel to every nation tongue and tribe is a gift some have been given, e g missionaries and evangelists. It is they who take the gospel around the world. But it is discipleship that keeps Christianity on the narrow way. Lifting one another up, sharing our struggles and burdens with one another so you can grow and become more worthy and acceptable to God. Read what Paul teaches about gathering together. Accleasia. Does not mean a church. It means gathering or assembly. And again, Jesus said, "Go make disciples of all nations". To all disciples (believers). Christianity does not do that. And we have lost our way.
@@johnisabeth2504 I know the difference of the body and the gathering. The body gathers. You have 7 days to life up the body and hopefully you do that. Then also in song, prayer, reading of scripture, discussion, sharing of life, breaking bread. Yet God has made it clear a day is set aside for a ‘corporate worship’. If you want in a home or a field that’s fine. However you must still obey God as far as who teaches and being under elders and follow in obedience. We don’t get together and anyone who thinks they know the Word well enough to just teach. That’s the real problem today. th-cam.com/video/-cTK7XwdBSA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lmyrR2hC18E4YBrM
Wow! So glad to hear this! My wife and I had come to this truth by simply reading the Bible and being taught by the Holy Spirit. But where we couldn't quite put our finger on it, you provide the fitting puzzle pieces in this teaching. Really, so thankful that we believe we didn't watch your teaching by chance. Shalom!
The worship of the Jews had incense ( smoke) and the worship in heaven has bowls of incense. "Let my prayer be set before You as incense, The lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice." (Psalm 141:2)
not to leave out the Honda vehicle joke ",,, gathered together in one Accord" Acts 2:1 God built His church(Ecclesia) ,,,,, do not forsake assembling together Hebrews 10:25
@@frtillmanYT If you do research on the English word Church you will find the Greek Ekklesia = Assemble of called out separated one's and the Roman go to Church once a week on Sunday Church are two totally different things. Are you aware we get the English word Circus and Circle from Church which come from the word Circe. Find out who Circe is and you will be on the strait and narrow Road to the Truth of the Matter. Grace Faith Hope and Charity to you AMEN
Complements to you brother. I had been in church "worshipping God" for many years until I was driven to an existential crisis. I lost faith in church and while I questioned many things about God and the Bible I was never led to doubt his existence or his benevolence. It was not until 7 years in this state I think I had a truly supernatural experience that left me changed completely. I was born again. It was here many truths began to appear uncalled. One of the major things I noticed is the degree to which we take language for granted. When a man has a heart changing experience such I had had he no longer can understand language nor use language the same way. I noticed how amazingly simple the language of the early church was and that is an indication of how profound their understanding was. A clear and deep understanding relates its ideas with simple and concise language. By this simple fact I got deeper convictions of the authenticity of scriptures. It's language is simple,direct and concise. Look at how many voluminous books were written by so-called philosophers past and present. It would take the average man a lifetime to read.
The new birth is being born of God, an event that can't be but supranatural. You've become a living stone in the church of God having a new heart, a divine nature implanted in you. Let us worship God in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24 KJV But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
@@c848 You wrote, "The new birth is being born of God, an event that can't be but supranatural. You've become a living stone in the church of God having a new heart, a divine nature implanted in you." Amen to that. A living stone in the church is immaterial, whether Jew or Gentile. This is the new creature in the new heaven and the new earth in the here and now. We may have to review more anachronic terms the church has misapplied literally.
Hallelujah! A corporate meeting with a business man who does an uninterrupted monologue.... I have panic attacks. Thank you for this! Let's GATHER together! Amen. JESUS IS THE ONLY PASTOR!!
This is obvious from the scriptures. I don't know why its such news. However, I was brought up in a 'restoration' church which sought to get to what Tom teaches. However, one issue is teaching. We need to be able to encourage young people/christians with knowledge of the scriptures, history of the bible and the church, apologetics, and basic theology and philosophy of religion. These are big words for some, but the basic ideas under those heading are comparatively simple.
@@dagwould It is obvious from the Scriptures if you can turn off the government religious organization "gas lighting". It's news to most people due to intense brainwashing and gas lighters.
We are the temple, amen brother Tom! You've really done your homework. I've been burdened over this topic for 25 years and have researched and written on the subject. In my humble opinion, after watching this and your 7 extended videos, this is the most comprehensive work on the subject to date. Please consider tweaking your dissertation into a short book for an average person to read easily. Additionally, we have been gathering together in this way for the last 5 years, and I'm even more convinced that it is a more faithful representation of biblical assembly. The main problem is that the concept is a huge paradigm shift. Even those who understand 1 Cor 14:26 have a difficult time going against current practices. Godspeed!
witthout PRAISE and WORSHIP you are MISSING out on one of the MAIN WEAPONS in our warfare against satan - read Psalm 149. The use of HUMAN REASONING to understand spiritual Truth is CONDEMNED - Romans 8:5-9. This violaion is the core of this video - all the "scholars" he refers to are THOSE WE ARE COMMANDED TO AVOID as they REJECT THE INFILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT that The LORD JESUS CALLED THE POWER - 2Timothy 3:5, Luke 24:49, Acts 1:8, manifested in Acts 2, read especially verses 36-39, 10:44-48, 19:1-6. As the earth is being cleansed as in the days of Noah, the wicked are being removed from the earth.
I have been meeting in homes and open meetings with believers for 25 years… it is wonderful. Read my comment I just posted at the top of this comment section… blessings!
Thank you Dr Wadsworth. At the risk of being repetitive, your presentation on this topic is -- for many of us accustomed to the institution of church -- absolutely groundbreaking. I've been passing around, to anyone who would listen, your previous series. This consolidation video is going to be a great 'all-in-one' resource. All glory to our sovereign Lord, who brought me to this channel!
"All glory to our 'Sovereign Lord' who brought me to this channel". This entire video had a great 'anti-religious/Pro-relationship with Jesus' vibe but you Calvinist make God sound like a robot master...
Wow! I love this. Thank you. I've been needing this kind of assembly where each share scriptures & what God placed in our hearts to build up each other. It's so far fetch with how churches are ran today, but God will make a way🙏
Yes, there were worship services during the time of the apostles. Early Christian worship was quite different from what we see today but had some foundational similarities. Gathering and Fellowship: Early Christians often met in homes for worship and fellowship. These gatherings included prayer, singing hymns, and reading from the Scriptures. Teaching and Preaching: The apostles and other leaders would teach and preach about Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. This was a central part of their gatherings. The Lord’s Supper: Also known as Communion or the Eucharist, this was a significant part of early Christian worship. Only baptized believers participated in this part of the service. Prayer: Prayer was a vital component, often led by different members of the community. Baptism: New believers were baptized as a sign of their faith and inclusion in the Christian community. These elements formed the core of early Christian worship, reflecting their devotion and communal life.
If you payed attention you probably now know what proskenuo means, it is not what we call worship today. Therefore, no they didn't "worship" they ministered to one another. When they ministered to the Lord it was prayer and fasting and not "worship. "
@belovedflorence4109 the converted jews and gentiles had their songs psalms melodies from their customs so your trying to say the early new testament church never sung anything never praised or worshiped in song together the Lord in homes in fields in festivals weddings in gatherings or when travelling enroute by foot?
Context is meaning. Because of persecution the church could not meet as we do. Search the Old Testament and see how congregational gathering enriched the worship experience.
When I first showed up in a college in 1970 one of the professors said something which I have never forgotten, "In this academic world there are two unforgivable sins: anachronism and plagiarism." And I early on learned that there were no 'churches' in the NT. There were small groups of believers who met in houses. And there were no denominations in the NT.
Not to gather like we think of ‘having church’ but to evangelize lost Jews with the gospel. The synagogues were for Judaism that didn’t just magically stop bc Jesus commissioned them and ascended. In fact they were still being persecuted by the Jews of the synagogues. They gathered in Solomon’s portico/“porch” to preach the gospel. Again not to hold (our understanding of) a church service. (your breaking first caution mentioned 😂)
@@Lynn-r8h they went to the synagogue to preach the gospel (probably mainly to lost Jews still of the law) not to have a “church service” like your thinking.
So dry, so cerebral, so unspiritual: 1 Co. 14:26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn,... 1 Co. 14:15 I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. Eph. 5:19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, Heb. 13:Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. You don't need to know greek to find these. Also, heaven is filled with continuous praise and worship ALL THE TIME, and Jesus' prayer states: Thy will be done here on earth as it is in heaven.
I like this one better. Matthew 6:5 "Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues[a] and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward! 6 But whenever you pray, go into your inner room,[b] close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you" Basically, keep it to yourself and stop disturbing others with it.
@@arbitrarysequence That passage is telling you not to be a hypocrite motivated by a need for attention, not to be without a voice in the the Church. You don't get to cherry pick verses.
This might be off-topic. The word worship is a misnomer. For Catholics, worship is sacred and sacramental. Not music. When the Charismatic Renewal was introduced to the Catholic community, the typical format was adapted from Evangelical Charismatic church groups from where the charismatic renewal was first introduced to Anglicans first (Fr. Richard Bennett) and later Catholic Fr. Michael Scanlan. The format was balanced and included praise, teaching, contemporary music, tongues, Bible sharing, witness, prayer for healing. It was all new to us. We borrowed the Protestant format. For a Catholic, the Mass or divine liturgy, presided over by a priest and includes Communion, is what is meant by worship. It was not until I attended Vineyard type prayer meetings some years later that I experienced extended periods of contemporary music that included solo singing, casual instruments, did I realize for Protestant charismatics referred to music and singing as "worship." It was an odd use for a term and overly casual, unpredictable, excessive in length and focus on "celebrity" performers, was intended as "worship." It was a misnomer. It's music, and excessive, a concert, entertainment. Often, a lazy substitute for quality teaching pr preaching.
Luther and the reformers did not set out to - or intend to - restore Biblical Christianity. They wanted to REFORM pristine Roman Catholicism. So we should not expect that Luther "got it right" or even got us pointed in the right direction. "Worship Services" are pagan practices. Wrapping them in a so-called "Christian" veneer does not improve them.
@@stevekerp1I've been saying that for years. The Reformation was nothing more than an attempt at 'steering' the whore of Babylon closer to Luther's view of what christianity should be. The first bible would have been written with or without Luther. The printing press was inevitable. I strongly believe that satan couldn't wait to start twisting the Word. Calvinists have used it to preach heresy ever since.
@@stevekerp1coming from the reformed baptist camp you are pretty much spot on. The Protestants essentially realigned and unfortunately repackaged another form of so-called Christianity. The ana-baptist or radical reformers actually saw the light of truth in most ( not all) of their expressions of what the Bible taught regarding a “ New Covenant Assembly “… the cathedrals and pastoral control,100% mimic the papal power and RC gatherings and call it ekklesia. Blessings
I’ve learned this late in life. I grew up in a missionary Baptist church and joined a SBC church as an adult. I played in praise bands and the church orchestra. A few years back, I moved to a Primitive Baptist church. We sing hymns a cappella, pray, and hear preaching from our elder. Two Sundays a month, we bring food for a meal.
Sounds very appealing. I no longer go to a "church". Mainly because I live in the middle of nowhere in Cambodia. But if I was in the west, I still wouldn't go near one. Sticking my hands in the air and swaying, with tears rolling down my cheeks as the mood music and light show does what it's designed to do, sounds absolutely ghastly to me. A good dolop of preaching and a shared meal is what it's all about.
Do they teach you that AS THE LORD JESUS IS so are we on this earth -1John 4:17 That we are TOTALLY ONE WITH The LORD JESUS as Joint Heirs in Christ - Hebrews 2:11, Romans 8:7 If not you are like the person who had a ticket for the best food on the cruise but believed he had to eat dry bread and drink water while remaining locked up in his cabin for the duration of the cruise!
@@loavesandfish Think of these sentences in the comment of the OP "I moved to a Primitive Baptist church. We sing hymns a cappella, pray, and hear preaching from our elder. Two Sundays a month, we bring food for a meal." Churches have become like social clubs where individuals choose a place they are comfortable with, which though laced with seeming humility, is in truth their egoistic choosing. The LORD JESUS came to bring us into a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD GOD in REAL TIME where we MANIFEST HIS Victory and HIS complete defeat of the enemy/satan/shatan for us. We are GIVEN HIS AUTHORITY on this earth to be as HE IS - 1John 4:17, Hebrews 2:11. To RESIST the devil who will flee from us - James 4, to destroy the works of the devil who is WIRED to KILL STEAL DESTROY - John 10:10. In a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD JESUS 24/7 we will be alerted to strategies and plans of the enemy so that we can BRING THEM DOWN and protect ourselves and others. We have to choose to know The LORD GOD as Our Only TEACHER and FATHER - Matthew 23:8-10, while being alert to the corruption of RELIGION and control of the masses by the enemy through agents who operate on the ignorance of people. I don't see the "take the fight to the enemy" in The NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST approach in the words of the OP who seems to glory in moving to a "Primitive Baptist church where they sang hymns a cappella, prayed, and heard preaching from a elder on 2 Sundays a month where they bring food for a meal." The enemy is wired to KILL STEAL DESTROY and I am sure the OP will regard such enemy activity as "normal" and very likely could blame GOD for it NOT RECOGNIZING the work of the enemy in those situations, being IGNORANT of THE VICTORY of The LORD JESUS where WE DO NOT HAVE TO SUFFER OR BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF A DEFEATED ENEMY! The LORD GOD Who is HIS INSPIRED WORD spoken to us when we read or hear the text (not engaging in human reasoning of the text which is condemned - Romans 8:5-9), tells us that HIS PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED by their IGNORANCE - Hosea 4:6 Some "good" christians will claim it is being imposed as a lesson for humility, not realizing that the roman catholic outfit has corrupted certain parts of the new testament. In a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD GOD as HE teaches us, HE will show us where the scriptures have been corrupted.
I'm 39 years old, and my entire life I thought the English word "worship" actually meant to "bow down and prostrate yourself before (God)" because of how I read the term from my English Bibles. I was recently kicked out of a small church after 5 years because I was trying to stress the importance of lifting each other up rather than abiding by the usual time-constrained worship service to sermon schedule. For a few years, the pastor was delighted by my observations and input until recently, where he's now battling depression. I think it's no coincidence that during this time he tried to pull the entire service back to a "traditional Western service"... and I can see it that he's battling something spiritual and not physical. Thank you for this video, Tom! I've always felt a sense of freedom from all these "traditions" because of the work of Christ but didn't know how to explain it intellectually as you have done here.
Let me encourage you a bit by implying that if one is truly focused on the Truth they will not need to spend many years to re-educate themselves on what is "True", but will simply be guided by the Truth Himself. Your video is incredible!
Prostration is still practiced in the east. I would say prostartaion is deeply rooted in the ancientt middle eastern/eastern culture. It is a sign of paying one's respect or showing devotion to someone. You can see this practice in Eastern orthodox churches like in the syrian orthodoxy, in india prostration is daily part of most christians here wether you are a evangelical/protestant/catholic or orthodox. We even remove our footwear before entering our churches. It's the 'eastern' mindset, a gesture to show reverence.
That originated from the Jewish custom, I believe. Jesus and the early disciples did not introduce any specific form of "worship", so the first-century Jerusalem church, which was mainly Jews, continued to follow the Jewish customs. In fact, Jesus and his disciples were Jews, so they worshipped outwardly like how any Jew would do, and of course, inwardly, in Spirit and in truth. Things began to change when the Gospel reached the Gentile. That is why the apostle Paul did not emphasize too much on specific religious rituals and practices. People are free to worship in whatever forms they think best, as long they they worship the one true God, respect each other and keep meeting in proper order, in unity and in love. (1 Corinthians, Romans 14)
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A worship service is the gathering together of two or more believers to sing hymns, pray and care for each other, discuss biblical passages and share communion at regular intervals.
Right on brother!!! Thank you so much for clearly communicating this truth. I am convinced the “operating system” must be put to death and we must go back to the original “operating system” of simply assembling with the body for the purpose of forming Jesus here & now!!!
What a powerful, fact-filled presentation! No bias, no finger-pointing, no blaming others, just pointing out simply and clearly what Paul, James, and the early church fathers described gatherings among Christians were meant to be. Very refreshing, Tom! Won't hear this kind of truth in the average sermon today. "[T]hose who have insight will understand." Daniel 12:10.
"Worship Machinery" has become a cult all it's own within Churches. In addition... Excessive time spent doing "Church Stuff" takes us out of where we need to be ... Building relationships with the lost. Our earthly lives are seeping away , as is opportunities to be out there bringing more into the fold.
I’m only 8 minutes in but I have a feeling I am going to be let off the hook for always feeling guilty that I want to arrive to service after the music is over.
I humbly recommend attending Mass at a vibrant Catholic parish and just observe some Sunday morning. Observe liturgical worship with an open mind. Peace and blessings to you.
You're not alone friend. I've attended church my whole life was raised Pentecostal very charismatic and I didn't mind two or three songs but when they sang on and on and on and on it drove me nuts because I just wanted to get to the word. the last church I attended for decades. I literally used to wait about 30 minutes before I went in that way they were starting to finish up and my pastor said one time to me half jokingly that I was always late and I said no sir I'm not I'm right on time. I didn't feel the need to express my distaste for all the music and singing that to me was not my place so I just adapted to what I felt worked for me.
Sing songs, pray and then study Scripture. That is what we do at my 'gathering' place or 'assembly' building I attend. We have 100-200 on a given Sunday. My Pastor reads directly from the Word. We are currently reading Nehemiah. We don't do 'sermons' we read Scripture and how it applies to today. I love it ! I stopped counting at 28 the number of churches I have attended over the decades, this current style is for me, shall I say - is the most edifying ? - Indeed !
Many questions for me were answered. I have always felt something was off. I have wondered through various faith traditions trying to figure out “ The Way” I have been too picky and too open in my search. When I heard the “ 45 years of study” I figured I ought to at least give 5 mins of listening. I finished the 2 part this morning. A few times I have to go back and give a section a second listen. The Lord speaks with clarity to me through this series. I am grateful for your years of study, your ability to speak clearly and the sense of abundance in your sharing. I wake up with the intention of listening again. Thank you.
I went to my old church last Sunday and left brokenhearted. The pastor talked more about politics than Jesus! 😢The Holy Spirit did move mightily at one point. I couldn’t stop praising and crying, only to find out I was the only one because rather than go with the flow of The Holy Spirit, they proceeded to introduce the guest speaker. He again talked about politics more than Jesus! I really didn’t even hear most of his speech, while they chose to cheer him on, I chose to stay in secret place with my sweet Jesus ❤
The word "church" isn't in the Greek Bible. In fact, the word church didn't exist in the First Century. Rather, Jesus says "on this rock I will build my assembly. . ." And this is always what the First Century followers of Jesus called it, "the assembly". The "assembly" does not refer to a building or a religious organization but rather, a gathering together of people.
Well done! I appreciate the work you’ve done. I’ve been uncomfortable in the church settings these past few years, and recently in frustration, I said that church has become a performance by the staff and a spectator sport for the congregation. Even the small group gatherings are orchestrated to coincide with the weekly sermon. You have brilliantly questioned, investigated, and summarized what I felt was problematic. Thank you. Hopefully, we will strive to know why we do what we do, and possibly course correct when necessary to stay true to Scripture.
@@jeffwright5695 God allowed money and work. He created work before toil. Today the economy requires money to travel, to eat, to live. Bible speaks of money and it’s not always negative. Paul accepted money even if not for himself. Jesus met in the homes of very rich. Is their idols of money and property of course. Repent and believe the gospel.
I get it! Exodus 25:8 Let them make me a sanctuary (sacred place) that I may dwell among them. The structure is only for people to gather together (edification) that God might dwell in them, not dwell in the building. "No structures except the living structure of the body of Christ are necessary...This does not undermine the usefulness of a building or structure where it can be used for the gathering of people who are the church." P. 19,20 China Underground House Churches
It doesn't look like an apple, or smell like an apple, or taste like an apple. But we know it has to be an apple because it says its an apple on the label.
Just finished session # 2 and really quite blown away. I have difficulties imagining what our church should or could look like instead. Where edifying one another is the key focus. In our church we spend 8 minutes or so praying for bullet points up at the front. The focus is mostly for our community & missions. We r encouraged to pray with those around us but few turn around to pray with others because we are seemingly too shy or it’s too personal. As I reflect on my worship singing in church it’s mostly about gratitude and praising Him for all He has done for me. Our Triune God deserves our praise has been a huge theme. Does he not want/need our praise? Or should that be done more in private? Perhaps the rest of the series will help me. Thinking home churches or in our case “life groups” is ideal in edifying one another and yet what about teens ministry or kids ministry … I think our teens/kids do small group stuff on a Sunday morning or weekday so thats wonderful. 🇨🇦 ❤
There's nothing wrong with praising God, whether it's done alone or in a group (Acts 4:24ff; Eph 5:19; Col 3:16; 1 Cor 14:15, 26; Jas 5:13; Heb 13:15). At the same time, let's remember that God doesn't need anything (Acts 17:24-25). Our modern "worship culture," especially in the last 25 years, has gone way overboard in pursuing a "worship mission" that (1) is not substantiated in Scripture and that (2) drowns out the biblical mandate to be edifying one another (1 Cor 14:25). My research was an attempt to (1) remove any preconceived notions of what the Christian assembly was all about, (2) study the text of the NT with an open mind, and (3) capture a biblical perspective of the assembly. If you do that, the word 'worship' won't even enter the discussion. The other videos in the series should help you.
@@PETERJOHN101 My purpose is to help Christians develop edifying assemblies. I hope that my work will lead fewer and fewer people to be "disinclined to attend church." But as it is, church attendance is plummeting throughout most of the world.
@@PETERJOHN101If I was in Tom's position my purpose would be to discourage traditional church attendance that is set up in a traditional modern way, and I would be encouraging home gatherings. And if held in a building in the community, then it would be set up in such a way as to reflect exactly the experience of being in the home without any of the modern traditions of church "services". In other words the whole idea of "services" in my opinion should be thrown out the window. Instead, it should literally be a gathering of believers who enjoy each other's company and come together for fellowship and breaking of bread and drinking of wine in remembrance of Jesus
In one church I convince the pastor that we need to publicly read scripture in church. Showed what Paul advised Timothy to do this. He agree & asked how much should we read? I follow weekly torah readings and said 3 chapters should be good. It took less than 10 mins. The music pastor’s wife told me off, since her husband had to cut out a few chorus so we could & she was mad & felt it was a waste of time. It didn’t last long as most people came only to listen to music. Others complained to me people can read bible on their own time. I explained you can sing to your iPod on your own too.
certainly, all kinds of gatherings large and small, could potentially be worship gatherings honorable to God. Worship "in spirit and truth" is the key. Ive been part of large groups singing and praying to God, expressing anything from repentance to gratitude to rejoicing. Some people dont care for modern worship songs--im one of them. But yet i have witnessed undeniably true worship going on in unlikely ways and places. God knows who the true worshippers are--and im hesitant to make a total judgment on a church gathering style.
I thought I might be going mad in my thinking about worship but, even if I am, I now know I'm not alone. Thank you for first undertaking all those years of work and now sharing your findings so clearly. I wonder, if we'd kept the focus on building up each other up, and not on the pulpit or piano, would we have had all the scandals that are now coming to light?
I like your thoughts and the 'p' words. Perhaps I could expand your thoughts to say, "We need to focus on the progress of the people, not on the performance of the pulpit or piano."😁
@@PETERJOHN101 Good question. The real issue is, How does the Bible define progress? Without going into great detail, Heb 5:12 says, "By this time you ought to be teachers." So, one aspect of progress for many Christians would be their gradual development as a teacher of God's word. Unfortunately, few churches provide a training ground for its members to develop such a skill. Not everyone will be gifted to speak, but everyone should be making progress in the fruits of the Spirit, such as "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" (Gal 5:22-23). For more info, I recommend two of my videos: Worship #4: Why They Didn't Preach Sermons in the Early Church (th-cam.com/video/hV8H2fx2Y6U/w-d-xo.html) and Worship #7: What Do We Do Now? (th-cam.com/video/CGPSQVoZrMg/w-d-xo.html).
@@tomwadsworth A teaching role is only given to _some,_ according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 12, so this cannot be the test of progress for all believers. Are you perhaps projecting from your own experience? I would suggest that progress is hearing the witness of the Holy Spirit within as a reminder that "we have no need for any man to teach us." (1 John 2:27)
@@PETERJOHN101 Yes, the teaching role was only given to some. Nonetheless, the writer of Hebrews still says, "By this time you ought to be teachers." I also added, "Not everyone will be gifted to speak."
I'm certain the first Christians met to have--celebrate--the Lord's Supper. Anything else was optional. Today, we think we have to get the singing and Communion over with to get to the heart of the "service," the sermon. We have small groups in our congregation, but many (if not the majority) regard these as unnecessary.
Yes! It doesn't take a scholar to understand these things. But it does require an open mind and a diligent effort to study the Bible in the context in which it was written.
Scholars are the ones that have created this problem. We need more people that are lead by the Holy Spirit. In today’s society Peter and most of the disciples would have been considered uneducated men.
Thank you Tom for your very clear teaching and years of study. You will never know how this has been used to help us make decisions at this present time. Praise God for teachers like you!
No they had it, it was called Torah, in parchments. All their teachings were from Torah, the old testament books. Read the book of Acts you will see. All the letters of Paul were the revelations of the Old testament books. Even Jesus taught from that, Luke 24:25-27, 44. Holy Spirit is illuminating what is written.
@@belovedflorence4109 wrong. the fact is, in the first century there's no such thing as believers carrying Bibles to a meeting. there was no printing machine and Scriptures were produced through handwriting, which was time consuming and laborous work, which made it expensive. for those who couldn't afford to own the Scripture, they can only access the Scriptures in the synagogue. don't forget the fact that the majority of the population in the Mediterranean were illiterate at that time.
This is very interesting...I have been in church for over 40 years, pastoral ministry over 20 years, and this has been very eye opening. I grew up in the 80s and remember that the "services" were focused on preaching the word but there was also a push to have a "moving song service" to prepare our hearts for "worship". This was very good.
Thanks for your comments! You might also appreciate "Worship #4 Why They Didn't Preach Sermons in the Early Church" at th-cam.com/video/hV8H2fx2Y6U/w-d-xo.html or "Worship #5 Worship Wars and the Role of Music" at th-cam.com/video/yonZAzeOrKw/w-d-xo.html
I believe God has brought me here to confirm what he has been speaking to my heart for over a decade yet I am HARD PRESSED to find a home gathering. Even. When I attend my local church service and inquired about a home group. I was told that they were completely full.😢
It is not in the organized church institution's best interest to promote independent study and fellowship outside of the venue and services that they themselves provide.
My goodness! If the home group is full, it sounds like it's time to start a second one! I can understand that a home is only large enough to handle a certain number of people, but there are other homes.
@@jdwagman I started attending a new small church, slim pickings here, and they don't have ANYTHING. The pastor even leads the Bible study from the pulpit. I get dressed up to sit in a pew and then come home. There's no socializing. I've just quit going. I need some friends. I asked a member if there's a women's Bible study and he told her if she wanted to start one, go ahead. He just spent 6 weeks on sermons about how one should dress for church.
@@samsmom400 Yes me too. I want brothers and sister with the same faith so that we can have a mutual exchange of encouragement, help, and wholesome fellowship and sharing of whatever the Lord has revealed to us. No preachers or teachers, but just fellow students of Christ. Yet after all these years I still feel like Elijah hiding alone in a cave and being fed by crows. So I take what is offered and I am grateful for what I do have. Which is the opportunity to be alone with and learn from my Lord. Because the truth is I still haven't found anyone who really believes in the bible anymore - only those (wolves) who use the bible to support their heretical ideas and false beliefs handed down to them from the traditions of men.
The earliest Christians were Jewish. They still went to the temple in Jerusalem and if allowed went to local synagogues, while also going to the Messianic (Christian) gatherings on the first day of the week. Adaptations occurred over time in mixed Jewish-Gentile congregations. The model was still the synagogue where scripture commentary, prayer, and psalms were carried out (and also the common table sharing of the Eucharist). Of course, the growth of numbers led to the creation of separate buildings and more structured services. Adaptation to new circumstances and way to carry forward the gospel are not necessarily wrong.
Exactly. The levites were in charge of the signing in the temple and as the people approached the temple they would sign popular songs. I used to work the fields as a migrant worker in the 70’s and the people would break out in singing from morning to quit time. We didn’t call it worship. Most popular secular songs were sung. That’s how I imagine pilgrims sang on their way up to the temple. Signing was part of their experience and even at weddings and such. Calling the signing part “worship” or limiting “worship” to the singing part was probably not something they did. It was however part of their whole experience- on the journey there and once at the temple for the feast, etc. Now of course they didn’t have electricity to play instruments into loud speakers 🔊 but who is to say they’d have a problem with being plugged in. Some modern day “worship” (singing) seems self oriented- like a show! The song of Moses, the psalms, and singing in the kingdom, holy, holy, holy. Imagine all these believers signing? That would sound pretty awesome! I grew up in a Protestant church where you weren’t allowed anything but a piano. All other instruments were banned. Not even clapping was allowed. Dancing like David would have been the quickest way to get you kicked out. lol! I can see a place for a study like this: Don’t limit worship of God to signing. The first century followers of Yeshua wouldn’t have done that. They worshiped daily. That is, The faithful remnant worshiped daily. The temple was also open daily. Limiting worship to singing is not correct to suggest signing was not something they did? I’m not sure that can be argued or even considered as unbiblical. Traditions aren’t bad. Paul had traditions and passed down some traditions. The problem is when traditions nullify the commandments of God. There shouldn’t be a conflict. Is there a conflict when signing? Not necessarily. It’s only when some assemblies make a show of signing. The lyrics matter and are the musicians brining attention to themselves? Anyway, thanks for your comment. Agreed! 👍 Shalom!
@@petercampbell7962 I don't think he is dismissing. I think he is think deeply, holistically with the Biblical pattern developed throughout the Scriptures.
Churches today could be called a 'One Man Show'. ( i said this a long time ago- I am German) The 'Worship service ' of today is very convenient to the carnal instinct / behavior of man. We do our thing and we are done and we continue like before. Spiritual growth is mostly measured in debating or just sitting and listening. There is at times no, very little, interaction with other believers, hopefully we meet some friends. ( A little sarcasm). This is wonderful how Dr Tom has figured that out through his longtime studies, this is true biblical wisdom. Conclusion: We need to know each other, help each other, encourage each other, thinking and praying how to make disciples, building each other up and this is how we edify Christ. Like the world the church has become superficial. And the so-called 'Worship Music' is often so loud that I got onetime almost a panic attack. Many churches attract the young people with loud rock-style music. This is for sure not to be compared with making melody in our hearts and singing psalms. TKS so much Dr. Wadsworth! God bless.
"we cant start a church until we have $10k for sound equipment," ...this was said on the mission field when i was there... in a place where $10k was like $100k here
Very sad indeed. There is a huge difference between the Church which Jesus is building on the Rock and business oriented organized denominational religion.
The sound equipment my church has includes headphones to help the hard of hearing be able to hear the message and prayers so they can fully participate.
Profound reorientation of our thinking as Christians as to the purpose ( quorsum ) of our gathering together in the pattern of the early church. Wonderfully researched and presented. I predict that Tom Wadsworth's presentation here will be welcomed by believers seeking to live biblically, and resisted by those who must cling to traditions they scarcely understand.
It's apparent that many lay-people who study the Bible had this figured out decades ago. We just couldn't say anything because then we would be accused of criticizing the pastor. Therefore, we left brick and mortar and started home fellowships. It takes a pastor to teach other pastors so thank you for stepping up. Ordained ministers don't think they have anything to learn from lay persons who have spent their lives studying the Word of the Living God.
Thank you Dr. Wadsworth. Eye opening presentation. It seems to me that we humans have a tendency to lean toward the heavier yoke of a more complicated existence in order to please God.
Yes, my video has similarities with Viola's book. However, Dr. Ben Witherington, a qualified New Testament scholar, has written an extensive (negative) review of the Pagan Christianity book. Part 1 is here: benwitherington.blogspot.com/2008/06/pagan-christianty-by-george-barna-and.html Part 2 is here: benwitherington.blogspot.com/2008/07/pagan-christianityreview-part-two.html Part 3 is here: benwitherington.blogspot.com/2008/07/pagan-christianityreview-part-three.html I think Witherington's criticisms are largely valid. Having said that ... even if only 40% of Viola's claims are true, the modern church needs to rethink the origins of its meeting practices--which my videos attempt to do.
@@tomwadsworthThanks for your reply and for sharing the links. I was one of the leaders in a house church for about five years, but it eventually dissolved (amicably). Although “Pagan Christianity?” was formative for me at that time, I don’t agree with a lot of it now. I’ll take a look at what Ben Witherington has to say.
@@TharMan9Much depends on what denomination or biblical outlook a home group is affiliated with. I have belonged to home groups that were organized for a purpose of a larger church or specific belief system. Then dissolved as the larger church dissolved or else people naturally aged out or "graduated" or moved on from the larger church. They needed supervision or pastoral oversight to stay intact. I could make recommendations of newer churches offering home group concepts but I do not want to get off-topic from the host's intentions and beliefs. These days, my special interest home-groups are on-line. Some are local, others are national or international.
I’ve also noticed that there is a tendency in many churches to have a Team up front singing with the band while most of the congregants stand by observing! #LoveSign
I came to the conclusion, that translating the word that means to bow into the word “worship” is a mistake, independant of what this man had to say about it. I was doing a word study trying to find the meaning of that word and found it most clearly explained in how Joseph’s brothers interpreted Joseph’s dream: “Now Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers they hated him even more. He said to them, “Hear this dream that I have dreamed: Behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and behold, my sheaf arose and stood upright. And behold, your sheaves gathered around it and bowed down to my sheaf.” His brothers said to him, “Are you indeed to reign over us? Or are you indeed to rule over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.” (Genesis 37:5-8 ESV) The act of bowing down is an outward sign of submission to the one who is our ruler, the one who is higher in authority than ourselves. By lowering ourselves before such a person we are physicaly putting on display our relationship to that person, that that person is higher up in authority than we are. It is a show of respect with regard to a rulers authority over us. Translating the word “bow” into the word “worship” has had the following effect. Modern christianity, and people, tend to see religion as worshiping, expressing adoration (giving lip service) to God, but the early Church viewed religion on far more practical level: “But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing. If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless. Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.” (James 1:22-27 ESV) The perfect law, the law of liberty, that James is speaking of is this: “So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.” (James 2:12-13 ESV) The law of liberty is the one law that frees us from God’s judgment with regard to all of His other laws. As long as we show mercy to others God will legally, righteously, have mercy upon us, and forgive our sins. “To visit orphans and widows in their affliction,” and provide for their needs is one, of many, practical ways to show mercy to others. Those who do so will also be shown mercy by God.
The Fraction of Bread rite already existed, despite the "Mass of ALL time is Roman" in the common sense, there were and ARE many rites that arent Roman neither uses latin, and I AM not talking about the "Novus Ordus Missas" that uses vernacular languages, but other rites outside latin. Particular churches such as Coptics, Assirean, Melquites, Malankara, Siriac-malabar, Greek, Ukranian, Russian, Bizantine (the Bizantine Empire doesnt exist anymore but its rite of fraction of Bread persists), oriental, etc. Even in communion with Catholic Roman Church, they dont use same rite, but own, when conducting the Fraction of Bread. I know some Catholics in the Roman community say that the latin Mass is the "Mass of apostles", i myself as Catholic cannot affirm, some of the liturgy of the latin Mass were added with time, with the language latin being consolidated with Popes gregorious at V century, i dont remember the century... Meanwhile, the apostles Thome went Índia and installed the fraction of Bread that become the malabar rite (later siriac-malabar), which those Catholic indians are proud to say its the Mass of apostles... And they never were at Domain of Roman Empire, didnt suffered persecution by Romana like many communities, but they suffered persecution by the pagans of the orient being Hindus and Bhudists. St. Thome died there as martyr, for the glory of Christ, making even more real the greek term "katholikus" that means universal, as Christ wanted to preach to the gentiles around world.
Psalms 47:6-7 NKJV [6] Sing praises to God, sing praises! Sing praises to our King, sing praises! [7] For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with understanding.
The apostolic assembly of the first two centuries achieved a high level of impact on the society without the overly ritualistic, buikding-oriented and clerical/hierarchical trapping of the Orthodox church (a later development after pagan Constantine)
Another term that we use for our church buildings is "Sanctuary." If it is a "Sanctuary" then only the clergy are allowed in the building and everyone else has to look into the sanctuary through the doors, and only the Pastor is allowed in the room.
Music in the churches is emotional priming. It’s a way to put the congregation into a trance so they can manipulate the mind. Many Christian ministers don’t even know they are doing it but it emotionally sets them up for the message.
@@andrewstaples7544so how is that not priming? I’m not arguing if it’s in the Bible or not, I’m saying that music is used to prime the mind in order to manipulate. I stopped believing because none of it is true anyways.
WOW!! Excellent video!❤ American christianity is commercialized and everyone is a celebrity..very sad! Seems a gathering/assembly should be centered around the bread and the cup and thanksgiving to our true teacher..a grateful heart is a humble heart! Keeping our eye on the prize=the love of Jesus Christ!
I looked it up. 90% of Christians in the United States do not attend a megachurch. Most of us still go to oldei style churches. My church doesn't have screens or a band.
It is a big assumption to believe a focus on God is not primary in the assembly, especially in 1st c. Near East; so primary it needs no instruction. 1 Cor. 14: 26 encourages the gathering believers to each one bring a hymn, an instruction, a revelation, and so on, for the building up of the church. A hymn is certainly liturgical. Paul wrote what many believe to be liturgy in Phil. 2:5-11. But our worship should be a daily life practice Rom. 12:1 and Eph. 5:19-21. It is a jump to believe this was shelved during times of community. Second, Jesus said, where two or more are gathered in his name, there he would be. How can a believer not worship when she recognizes the presence of our Lord? Third, when a body of believers worship God in spirit and truth, they are edified. Psalms offer many positive examples how that is to be done. And finally, Rev. 5:9-10 provides a vision of the worship of believers in community in Heaven. Let it be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
When you see two or gathered together then I will be among them. If you read where this occurs and it's context. Jesus says you go with two or more when dealing with correction of a fellow believer. Same in the old testament where accusations are made against a fellow. Nowhere does scripture mention this in a general sense. Otherwise why bother having the indwelling of The Holy Spirit.
I concluded the house church fell into disfavor, when the hosting family had to deal with fellow brethren eating all the food, and also leaving trash behind to be cleaned up. The centralized church building was a way to diffuse the expenses and responsibilities. Burn-out was a real thing back then too.
Everyone was supposed to bring something. Is that not what Paul was talking about our love feasts? Secondly, they could have distributed the members, once they reach 10, start another fellowship.
We “discovered” 1st Corinthians 14:26 about 32 years ago and we have been doing “home church” ever since. We still have been attending traditional churches off and on but our hearts are really in the home church… I could go on and on about things that we have experienced but the bottom line is that when we do things Gods way is when we experience Gods blessing 🙌
What do we find is Scripture? I'm not interested in what the "early church" did, they got all sorts of things wrong, even when the Apostles were alive. In Scripture we find large numbers of Believers praying together (Acts 1-2) in a house big enough to hold all of them... This is key. Were they meeting in homes? Yes, as well as outside, in synagogues, etc. It's NOT about WHERE we meet, but what we DO when we meet. What do we see (examples) the Believers DOING when they COME TOGETHER, as well as, what sort on INSTRUCTION do we find? We see them being taught by teachers/continuing in the Apostle teaching, which is the foundation of the church, Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone (which there are to be "not many teachers" according to James), praying together, singing together, eating meals together, involved in each other's lives throughout the week, financially supporting each other as needed, submitting to their overseers as well as each other, rebuking and correcting each other, doing "the work of ministry/service" having been equipped by their leaders who are God's gift to the church. I'm sure i could think of more of i took time to. The size of the church doesn't matter. All these things can be accomplished by a church of 2 or a church of 2,000. Some things are more challenging for larger churches, but some things are more challenging for SMALLER churches. We're only responsible to do what the Spirit equips is to do, and the Lord is the One that builds the church, do let's let Him decide how big or little they should be. "Home church" guys can have a lot of good insight into what Scripture says, but the fact they can be labeled as "home church guys" only goes to show that they too have gone beyond Scripture, and made "laws" that are merely the teaching of men.
Good Insights. Trusted Christ 50 years ago Tomorrow 23AUG1974. Led to Baptist Church 1976 Where the Preaching and Teaching of the Gospel ( 1 Cor 15 ) and Christian Doctrine was the Paramount priority over Music and Worship. Music was Old Time Hymns. When CCM began to encroach on many Evangelical Churches, so many were caught up into 'worship' terminology.
Thank you for your hard work in researching and pulling all this together brother Tom! One can certainly feel alone and wrong noticing these aberrations and not finding others of like mind. Now I'm going to read through the comment section to see who didn't watch the video or regardless want to cling to their tradition and feelings that are incongruous with what scripture tells us. You are with prayers of blessing and thanksgiving.
My husband who pastors a small baptist church always ends each Sunday saying: service is over - worship begins. Meaning our service was unto the Lord and as we walk out of the building the churc body will worship Him in everything we do and say that week I like the emphasis taken off worship as singing only and making it our reasonable service way of life for the Lord
To me, the title of the video communicates that they didn’t have corporate gatherings. Took me 5 minutes to realize that the argument is that the focus is on the word “worship”.
Thank you for sharing your research. Our experience confirms small weekly fellowship meetings in private homes is essential to “the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.” 1 Tim 3:15 And it works in every country…
To clarify ... I wouldn't describe home meetings as "correct" ... as if meeting anywhere else is "incorrect". (I assume that you agree.) But I would describe home meetings as "conducive" to meetings that edify one another and build relationships in the body of Christ. We should acknowledge that there's much more to an edifying meeting than just meeting in a home.
TY sir. You confirm all my hunches about this sterile cold thing called the 501c3 institutional church Not the people. The system. Not at all what believes need or did in the beginning It’s become a business with 1000 different franchises
This cancer has metastasized into the bible translations themselves. In the process of translating the Greek New Testament into English I often run head-on into passages that are consistently mistranslated in all the major commercial bibles. Because some of these mistranslations have become so deeply incorporated into the sermons and doctrines of church organizations it would be considered as a blasphemy to correct them now. Any translation doing so would have no chance of any commercial success among the church institutions and those who attend them. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. Happy are the poor, because theirs in spirit is the Kingdom of Heaven. .
As I drive merrily around, I’m giving this a good listen. It both challenges my preconceptions and answers some questions I’ve been pondering for years. I’ve long admired the Amish for their not building “churches” for religious services. They assemble in homes, and spare themselves the expenses of gaudy church edifices. A Greek scholar myself, I’ll be researching more about the terms for worship and service. If services were indeed more vertical and less entertaining, it would be a different world indeed. I have a background in ‘worship music’, but no longer engage in that. The Jewish rabbis of old supposedly said one hasn’t truly worshipped G-d until he has prostrated himself. This seems to go along with what you’re teaching. A minister of music friend says she’s growing weary of what she calls “worshiptainment.” I certainly empathize. I’ve long suspected that the deep and rich worship of G-d is nothing like the circus-like atmosphere I’ve been seeing over the decades. I’ll do further study and also bear in my to avoid rash judgment.
The early church d i d have "worship services", as we know that the Apostles Peter and Paul and the other ten visited the congregations throughout Europe (Rome, Thessaloniki, Korinth, Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardes, Philadelphia, Laodicea and the galathean areas). It is mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles, chapter 2, verse 42: "They met constantly to hear the Apostles teach and to share common live (to be together in the congregation), to break bread and to pray. That is celebrating the Holy Mass and to hold "worship services". Wonder, how anyone in knowledge of the New Testament could make such a statement, that the early church didn't have "worship services" ....
@@montydec1972 Acts of the Apostles, chapter 2, verse 42 is Holy Mass, what else. Listening to the teachings of the Apostles is hearing the preachings, breaking bread is having Holy Communion. You don't seem to be acquainted with the christian holy mass, otherwise your doubts are not understandable. The command to come together and celebrate holy mass by listening to the teachings can be read in Matthew 28,18 -20. That tradition is continued until today.
I read an interesting small book during a religious retreat *(Catholic) written in England - no US Copyright (Episcopalian). Dated. Focus was when the Jewish believers of the "Way" would gather together to reflect on Jesus, while waiting for Jesus to return. Recently, Jesus indeed appeared to the believers while they 'gathered together'. Usually, this gathering was done while they gathered for the communal meal. I do not remember that the book mentions "Worship Service" as they 'gathered together' in the Upper Room. This could have been during the Pre-Pentecostal Festival in Acts Chapter Two. The believers (Apostles & Friends) were in seclusion - waiting for Jesus - after the Death - Resurrection - Ascension. (KJV - NKJV) *(Today I call myself a Judeo-Christian) In Colonial America the Circuit Riders and known Preachers - John Whesley (1703 - 1791) & George Whitefield (1714 - 1770) especially would transform England & America. Early Moravians would have Evening Psalm & Singing (1735). Influenced Whesley. Whesley & Whitefield were friends. Although there were Buildings that the "Riders" would preach to the "Gatherings", I don't remember/know if they referred to this as worship, service and/or gathering. Many a Circuit Rider would visit a homestead and have Traditional Open-Air Meetings. Whitefield conducted Open-Air Gatherings from Georga to Massachusetts - and back again. In the early 1800s - the Methodists (Largest Congregation - USA) would have Camp Meetings. I don't recall those participating - Writings - referring to "worship". They could have. Gatherings & Service comes to my mind. I mention Polycarp often as a reference to the Early Church. "... who teaches many not to sacrifice or worship (Bow Down)." (CA. 155) Certainly, enjoy references: Clement, Origen and Amobius - CA. 200 to 300). Great explanation of the transformation into Our Altar and Our Sacrifice in the understanding of the Remembrance to the Last Supper. Now - "Holy Eucharist". Catholic - Sacrifice Jesus on an Altar in a Holy Building as the Priest causes Transubstantiation on Bread & Wine into the actual Body & Blood of Jesus Christ. As Paul the Apostle refers to the Body of Christ as the Church of the Believers in Jesus Christ according to History and the Word of the Texts - Bible. All Grace through Faith as we "Build-up each other" or "Edification" comes from the Father - through Jesus - by the Spirit. Not "earned" or by "works" or from "our sacrifice" of Jesus to God, the Father. This Sanctification & Salvation is through the blood sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, His death, resurrection and ascension, in order to return in the Second Advent before the Tribulation. They we are all "Gathered Together" into the Glory of God. Amen. God Bless, In Jesus' Name. Thank you, Dr. Wadsworth for this wonderful Thesis.
Benjamin Rush, excellent comments. If I may add a little, Catholics refer to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The concept is joining in the one and only original sacrifice. Not a repeat or new sacrifice. A recent Catholic Eucharistic Conference had talks by contemporary Catholic theologians expanding and explaining the Eucharistic liturgy. Can be found on-line.
@@Charity-vm4bt Thank you for your comment. Raised as a Catholic and considered the Trappist. Dogma and Roman Justification. Started to read the Gospels and Jesus' Word. Prayed to be led to the truth. KJV. Only Catholic in the Army (71 to 73) who read the KJV. Liked Shakespeare. Again Thanks.
The same Holy Spirit speaks to all true Christians. That is why so many of us have heard and thought about this same thing. My wife and I personally are not the type to have people over to our house, but I think that if enough believers start inviting fellow Christians over for a time of edification, and just sit around in the living room chatting and sharing and discussing Scripture and encouraging one another to be active witnesses for Christ, the whole thing would snowball. Besides, a time is probably coming when the USA will be a lot like China is today; overt church attendance may be banned and the believers will be driven "underground" into house churches.
@@rexlion4510 Rex lion House churches are coming back, affiliated with newer church groups organized for a specific ministry. Some house churches meet on Zoom instead of in person. Usually there is a central teaching giving on Sunday at the main church founded by a core team that is live streamed. Then the house churches meet in small groups of about 8 during the week to follow up with whatever the specific ministry is. This is catching on with younger adults but all are welcome.
Thank you Dr Wadsworth for this presentation - it has really resonated with me and shown the real difference between religion and true Christianity - I' so glad I'm part of a small house group of about ten people, this has changed my whole outlook! God bless you!
No they didn’t! THE NEW CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA ADMITS: “The Mass of today differs greatly from the very simple ceremony followed by Christ and His Apostles. And by observing the Mass frequently, even daily, Churches have veered from what Jesus intended and has made it a common event.”
Just because it LOOKED different doesn’t mean its essence was different. They proclaimed the Scriptures (that had been canonized by this time) and followed Jesus’s command to Do this in Remembrance, that is, the Holy Eucharist which is Jesus body blood soul and divinity
@@crsw7041 Jesus didn’t say to do it every week; it had been an annual event under the Jewish arrangement. The Eucharist is a contravention of God’s law which is stated five times in the Scriptures ; the law about not eating blood. The whole doctrine is based on a misreading of a Greek word in John chapter 6… the word ‘estin’ which means ‘represents’ and is even translated that way in a different verse in a Catholic Bible (Matt 12;9)… yet they insist that it means ‘is’ in John 6 to justify the horrific idea that bits of Jesus are in a sun-monstrance stick.
I really appreciate your teaching here. We have drifted so far from the early church gatherings. I have become very discouraged by what I see in churches today. I pray we get back to the basics of Christianity.
I appreciate this teaching to correct our language and practice regarding what is commonly called by the misnomer of worship. I was with you until 44:00 - I would challenge your understanding of what offerings were for. I would ask that you examine the word atonement in the NT (actually the whole of scripture) the same way you have done with worship. I would be willing to dialogue if that is of interest.
@@tomwadsworth Thanks for the reply Tom. You appeared to be contrasting Jesus' death to 'sacrifices'. I used the word 'offerings' as I believe it is the correct terminology but your slide said "the sacrifice of Jesus made temple activities obsolete." To me this is a bit ironic since "worship" and 'service' are tabernacle/ temple terms and not all 'sacrifices' are about sin. Worship can be bowing and prostrating but the other meaning is in fact the offering/eating of ritually slaughtered animals in the form of fellowship meals. I believe atonement is also a temple activity as it is made by qualified priests on a holy altar in a holy place in a prescribed way with specific animals. It is not synonymous with pardoning of sin but rather precedes it or is sequential to it. Atonement is a literal covering - in the ritual use of the covering of the holy furniture (NOT the bringer of the offering) of the tabernacle/temple with lifeblood. In my opinion this lifeblood prevents the holiness of God in that place from breaking out against fallible mortal beings (both priest and offerer) while in that presence so that they didn't die. Sin has been pardoned by the father before there was a sacrificial system and also after it was stopped -so it never functioned the way most have been taught (ie commit a sin therefore go to the temple to make a sacrifice). There is a heavenly tabernacle, the true one, where our high priest ministers before the father to this day continually on our behalf. When it comes to earth we will inherit a literal priesthood where we will assist in ministering (actual worship) as resurrected beings to the nations.
I'm an American missionary in the Philippines 14yrs, having lost and left several "churches" now wondering what to do...and appreciating kindred thoughts, Dr. Wadsworth, thank you. Currently I'm building a restaurant with a large upper room, furnished... still wondering how to do this. I need your prayers.
Thank you for making this video. After over 50 years of going to church through out my life (many denominations, presbyterians, baptists, and non-denominations, both big and small.), I came to the same conclusion after studying the Bible, and feeling uneasy with modern church. It felt like no one else understood me, but now I'm so happy that I'm not alone. Pastors have become priests, acting as intermediaries, like in the old testament, like when they need to bless the offerings and tithes like a sacrifice on the altar, wearing religious outfit. In the Bible, I believe that communion was having fellowship and sharing meals with fellow believers, not eating tiny piece of dried bread and drinking an ounce of grape juice as a ritual. I'm not anti-church. I am still a member of local presbyterian church and I try to serve. I just wanted true fellowship and meaningful worship, not some religious ceremonies week in and week out.
So where are you going instead? Do you have a faith community? Are you looking for one?
He mentioned in his last paragraph that he still goes to his local Presbyterian church
Oh brother, you may don't know us all, but you're not alone.
Fellowship should have the scriptures too. Edifying each other too.
I’ve been asked to leave many churches because I questioned doctrine,I’m on the team,I’m a believer BUT when churches claim Sola Scriptura I hold them to that,unfortunately it gets me in trouble.
When i first became a Christian i read the bible cover to cover and came to the same conclusion. True worship is to help each other and serve each other and to tell the world about the gospel. Bless you for edifying us
Except that the Bible isn’t the only source of teaching. It says to follow a Church as well. The one Jesus founded. The Catholic Church is the only one that can trace her roots to Jesus and the Bible
@@crsw7041 not true the Greek orthodox was before Roman catholic. Now you prey to Mary or Isis you have satanic symbols like obelisk at the Vatican the rosemary beads cone from Buddhism the head gear worn by your priests is the head gear of dagon. No the Roman catholic Church is evil and satanic they even brought in heresy like Christmas and Easter. I could go on and on but you will deny it, but we Christians know better. Send me a reply and I'll expose more false teaching
@@crsw7041 problem is your church is the most satanic church of them all its not Christianity
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@@crsw7041 there is nothing Christian about your church
Sing Psalms and Hymns and Spiritual songs, one to another. Singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord. Ephesians 5 K here
Have you read the NT?
The NT quotes the psalms constantly.
One has a psalm,one has a prophetic utterance,one has a tongue ,another has the interpretation of that tongue etc ..
No, read it again, in context, the context is vital to understanding this.
48:29
I was saying the same thing back in my early days as a pastor in the 70s, as "worship" became a watchword. I thought the "rediscovery of worship" was an unhealthy development, so I preached an entire series entitled "The Reason for Our Gathering. I argued that worship is not a prominent New Testament theme and that the purpose of our gathering was not worship but edification.
I was a voice crying in the wilderness, and my tiny finger was not able to plug the leak in the dike of subjective emotionalism that began to flood the evangelical church. The tide of churches providing an exciting experience was irresistible, but the waters were not deep, and neither were those swept away by it.
Listening to this was refreshing, though it will change nothing. However, I have often thought that the most appropriate song to be sung in a modern "worship service would be B.J. Thomas' "I'm Hooked on a Feeling."
Mark, I believe that the primary reason for our gathering is Holy Communion where we commune and partake of the body and blood of Christ. "Grant us, therefore, gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of your dear Son Jesus Christ,
and to drink his blood, that our sinful bodies may be made clean by his body, and our souls washed through his most precious blood, and that we may evermore dwell in him, and he in us. Amen. "
@roddumlauf9241 Yes, in the Catholic Church and some Protestant churches similar to Catholic, such as Anglican, Episcopalian, who recognize sacramental Presence. They do not refer to reverent singing of hymns as "worship, " but to the participation in the Eucharistic liturgy.
Super-appreciate your commenting on your experience. Tom’s work here confirms my path and does ’change’ my future
Positively.
@@frsmoopus2864confirm what and change how?
@@markcarlton9103 hooga Shaka , hooga hooga hooga Shaka! Now put your hands in the air !
Too many churches call music “worship”and go off the chain with it .
There will be no wresting the meeting away from the music people since they are convinced they “lead worship”. I drew back a bloody stump for suggesting the volume be lowered.
I concur with all 3 statements you made. Don’t get me started…(!)
Don't be offended.
Amen, amen and AMEN.
My old church got so loud I couldn't bear it. When I said something to our pastor's wife, she said it was to reach out to the young people. I thought that's what reading the WORD was supposed to do.
@@samsmom400 exactly. Bingo . They let the world dictate the terms . Big mistake.
I was a pastoring a mission church for 24 years. But when I studied the NT carefully, I came to the conclusion that what I was doing was not right. During COVID we dismantled the 'church structure'. Now it's a house church and I no longer 'pastor'. The body of Christ is edified on a regular basis. But I assume the role of building the leadership of this church.
What you have said gives me the clear biblical handle to boldly pursue this idea of biblical church. Thank you!
I love what you said, but I would tweak it slightly. Instead of saying, "what I was doing was not right," I would say, "what I was doing produced and perpetuated several problems." I think we do well when we get the "right" or "wrong" ideas out of our heads. Let's focus on what is most consistent with the biblical evidence and what is most productive for edifying the body of Christ.
Good.
So what do you as a pastor do with Sunday mornings? Or did u eliminate the Sunday morning gatherings? As I’m thinking about more … what about children who come to Sunday school and do not receive teaching from the Word at home or teens? I’m fascinated by what this might look like. Our “worships services” have been so “normalized” it’s difficult to even imagine great changes. Note I am definitely on board with what I’m learning … it’s almost shocking to me as life long believer. 🇨🇦 ❤
@@yvonnekneeshaw2784 Hi Yvonne. Take a look at Video #7, in which I tried to give some practical suggestions: "Worship #7 What Do We Do Now?" th-cam.com/video/CGPSQVoZrMg/w-d-xo.html
I hope you find it helpful!
@@yvonnekneeshaw2784 I'm not a shepherd but if I was, I would build an assembly of Jesus where everyone had input with a song or some insight and after that, I would have a short reading from the words of Jesus. There shouldn't be any sermon, which many if not most people sit through but do not like. And I would call us "the assembly of Jesus" at whatever city I was in, because that is what Jesus called it. "Upon this rock I will build my assembly. . ."
Dude this changes everything. It confirms how our little home church has been led. we want to edify and serve our community. Thank you so much!
Your correct. We are told as disciples to go and make disciples of every nation. You can not make disciples of non-believers, and you can not bear each other's burdens in a large group like a church, to many people. We are not all told to evangelise in mass. That is a gift of some only. Even though we can all testify about Christ and give the gospel. We have strayed from what we all were told to do. We all need to edify (lift up )each other in the body. Jesus said the way is straight and the gate is narrow, and few are those who find it. Scary stuff.
@@johnisabeth2504 share the gospel is for everyone. Teaching is for the teachers and elders in the ecclesia. Random people didn’t go around teaching.
@HappyPenguin75034 yes we can all share the gospel to those we meet on a personal level. But sharing the Gospel to every nation tongue and tribe is a gift some have been given, e g missionaries and evangelists. It is they who take the gospel around the world. But it is discipleship that keeps Christianity on the narrow way. Lifting one another up, sharing our struggles and burdens with one another so you can grow and become more worthy and acceptable to God. Read what Paul teaches about gathering together. Accleasia. Does not mean a church. It means gathering or assembly. And again, Jesus said, "Go make disciples of all nations". To all disciples (believers). Christianity does not do that. And we have lost our way.
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I know the difference of the body and the gathering. The body gathers.
You have 7 days to life up the body and hopefully you do that. Then also in song, prayer, reading of scripture, discussion, sharing of life, breaking bread.
Yet God has made it clear a day is set aside for a ‘corporate worship’. If you want in a home or a field that’s fine. However you must still obey God as far as who teaches and being under elders and follow in obedience. We don’t get together and anyone who thinks they know the Word well enough to just teach. That’s the real problem today.
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I always believed that is how it is done Biblically.
Wow! So glad to hear this! My wife and I had come to this truth by simply reading the Bible and being taught by the Holy Spirit. But where we couldn't quite put our finger on it, you provide the fitting puzzle pieces in this teaching. Really, so thankful that we believe we didn't watch your teaching by chance. Shalom!
Great insights.
The disciples understood that (We, the Assembly) are the Temple of God!
He is Not disembodied!! We Are His Body!
The early church did not have smoke/fog machines and theater lighting. How could they have worship?
You are not listening
The worship of the Jews had incense ( smoke) and the worship in heaven has bowls of incense. "Let my prayer be set before You as incense, The lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice." (Psalm 141:2)
And this was the early church's mistake. They should have invested all that money they were giving to the poor in smoke and fog machines! Haha
😂😂😂😂 @@educational4434
@@realityTV77 Clearly the original post's sarcasm went over your head
Acts 2:46 " And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread....." Heb 10:25 " neglecting not to meet together"
not to leave out the Honda vehicle joke
",,, gathered together in one Accord" Acts 2:1
God built His church(Ecclesia)
,,,,, do not forsake assembling together Hebrews 10:25
They made use of Jewish temples cause they were already there.
They broke bread from house to house. They didn't build church buildings.
@@frtillmanYT If you do research on the English word Church you will find the Greek Ekklesia = Assemble of called out separated one's and the Roman go to Church once a week on Sunday Church are two totally different things. Are you aware we get the English word Circus and Circle from Church which come from the word Circe. Find out who Circe is and you will be on the strait and narrow Road to the Truth of the Matter. Grace Faith Hope and Charity to you AMEN
Complements to you brother.
I had been in church "worshipping God" for many years until I was driven to an existential crisis. I lost faith in church and while I questioned many things about God and the Bible I was never led to doubt his existence or his benevolence.
It was not until 7 years in this state I think I had a truly supernatural experience that left me changed completely. I was born again.
It was here many truths began to appear uncalled.
One of the major things I noticed is the degree to which we take language for granted.
When a man has a heart changing experience such I had had he no longer can understand language nor use language the same way.
I noticed how amazingly simple the language of the early church was and that is an indication of how profound their understanding was. A clear and deep understanding relates its ideas with simple and concise language.
By this simple fact I got deeper convictions of the authenticity of scriptures. It's language is simple,direct and concise.
Look at how many voluminous books were written by so-called philosophers past and present. It would take the average man a lifetime to read.
Same!
@@user-gh3nq1uj3u what are you saying about the topic at hand
Amen! Praise God. As it should be.
The new birth is being born of God, an event that can't be but supranatural. You've become a living stone in the church of God having a new heart, a divine nature implanted in you.
Let us worship God in spirit and in truth.
John 4:23-24 KJV
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
@@c848 You wrote, "The new birth is being born of God, an event that can't be but supranatural. You've become a living stone in the church of God having a new heart, a divine nature implanted in you."
Amen to that. A living stone in the church is immaterial, whether Jew or Gentile. This is the new creature in the new heaven and the new earth in the here and now. We may have to review more anachronic terms the church has misapplied literally.
Hallelujah! A corporate meeting with a business man who does an uninterrupted monologue.... I have panic attacks. Thank you for this! Let's GATHER together! Amen. JESUS IS THE ONLY PASTOR!!
This is much needed reformation
@@1Whipperin it is indeed!!!
This is obvious from the scriptures. I don't know why its such news. However, I was brought up in a 'restoration' church which sought to get to what Tom teaches. However, one issue is teaching. We need to be able to encourage young people/christians with knowledge of the scriptures, history of the bible and the church, apologetics, and basic theology and philosophy of religion. These are big words for some, but the basic ideas under those heading are comparatively simple.
@@dagwould It is obvious from the Scriptures if you can turn off the government religious organization "gas lighting". It's news to most people due to intense brainwashing and gas lighters.
Ephesians 4 says that Christ gave pastors to His church. (v.11ff)
We are the temple, amen brother Tom! You've really done your homework. I've been burdened over this topic for 25 years and have researched and written on the subject. In my humble opinion, after watching this and your 7 extended videos, this is the most comprehensive work on the subject to date. Please consider tweaking your dissertation into a short book for an average person to read easily. Additionally, we have been gathering together in this way for the last 5 years, and I'm even more convinced that it is a more faithful representation of biblical assembly. The main problem is that the concept is a huge paradigm shift. Even those who understand 1 Cor 14:26 have a difficult time going against current practices. Godspeed!
witthout PRAISE and WORSHIP you are MISSING out on one of the MAIN WEAPONS in our warfare against satan - read Psalm 149.
The use of HUMAN REASONING to understand spiritual Truth is CONDEMNED - Romans 8:5-9.
This violaion is the core of this video - all the "scholars" he refers to are THOSE WE ARE COMMANDED TO AVOID as they REJECT THE INFILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT that The LORD JESUS CALLED THE POWER - 2Timothy 3:5, Luke 24:49, Acts 1:8, manifested in Acts 2, read especially verses 36-39, 10:44-48, 19:1-6.
As the earth is being cleansed as in the days of Noah, the wicked are being removed from the earth.
If 'you' are the temple then do you meet outdoors???
I have been meeting in homes and open meetings with believers for 25 years… it is wonderful. Read my comment I just posted at the top of this comment section… blessings!
Thank you Dr Wadsworth. At the risk of being repetitive, your presentation on this topic is -- for many of us accustomed to the institution of church -- absolutely groundbreaking. I've been passing around, to anyone who would listen, your previous series. This consolidation video is going to be a great 'all-in-one' resource. All glory to our sovereign Lord, who brought me to this channel!
"All glory to our 'Sovereign Lord' who brought me to this channel". This entire video had a great 'anti-religious/Pro-relationship with Jesus' vibe but you Calvinist make God sound like a robot master...
@@rtgray7 And you self-absorbed. self-righteous egotists make God sound like your personal robot. Sad.
Wow! I love this. Thank you. I've been needing this kind of assembly where each share scriptures & what God placed in our hearts to build up each other. It's so far fetch with how churches are ran today, but God will make a way🙏
Yes, there were worship services during the time of the apostles. Early Christian worship was quite different from what we see today but had some foundational similarities.
Gathering and Fellowship: Early Christians often met in homes for worship and fellowship. These gatherings included prayer, singing hymns, and reading from the Scriptures.
Teaching and Preaching: The apostles and other leaders would teach and preach about Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. This was a central part of their gatherings.
The Lord’s Supper: Also known as Communion or the Eucharist, this was a significant part of early Christian worship. Only baptized believers participated in this part of the service.
Prayer: Prayer was a vital component, often led by different members of the community.
Baptism: New believers were baptized as a sign of their faith and inclusion in the Christian community.
These elements formed the core of early Christian worship, reflecting their devotion and communal life.
Exactly
If you payed attention you probably now know what proskenuo means, it is not what we call worship today. Therefore, no they didn't "worship" they ministered to one another. When they ministered to the Lord it was prayer and fasting and not "worship. "
Early Christians were killed for being Christians.. Ah they had to hide in peoples homes you know
Didn't David compose hymns that were used in temple worship? There are notes in Psalms to the 'worship leader'?
@belovedflorence4109 the converted jews and gentiles had their songs psalms melodies from their customs so your trying to say the early new testament church never sung anything never praised or worshiped in song together the Lord in homes in fields in festivals weddings in gatherings or when travelling enroute by foot?
Context is meaning. Because of persecution the church could not meet as we do. Search the Old Testament and see how congregational gathering enriched the worship experience.
When I first showed up in a college in 1970 one of the professors said something which I have never forgotten, "In this academic world there are two unforgivable sins: anachronism and plagiarism." And I early on learned that there were no 'churches' in the NT. There were small groups of believers who met in houses. And there were no denominations in the NT.
The first believers went to synagogue on the sabbath.
Not to gather like we think of ‘having church’ but to evangelize lost Jews with the gospel.
The synagogues were for Judaism that didn’t just magically stop bc Jesus commissioned them and ascended. In fact they were still being persecuted by the Jews of the synagogues. They gathered in Solomon’s portico/“porch” to preach the gospel. Again not to hold (our understanding of) a church service.
(your breaking first caution mentioned 😂)
weren’t gentiles not allowed in synagogues?
@@Lynn-r8h they went to the synagogue to preach the gospel (probably mainly to lost Jews still of the law) not to have a “church service” like your thinking.
@@-xyz-012 converts were.
So dry, so cerebral, so unspiritual: 1 Co. 14:26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn,... 1 Co. 14:15 I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. Eph. 5:19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, Heb. 13:Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. You don't need to know greek to find these. Also, heaven is filled with continuous praise and worship ALL THE TIME, and Jesus' prayer states: Thy will be done here on earth as it is in heaven.
I like this one better. Matthew 6:5
"Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues[a] and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward! 6 But whenever you pray, go into your inner room,[b] close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you"
Basically, keep it to yourself and stop disturbing others with it.
@@arbitrarysequence
That passage is telling you not to be a hypocrite motivated by a need for attention, not to be without a voice in the the Church. You don't get to cherry pick verses.
@@arbitrarysequencethere is a difference between worship of God like in heaven and praying to God as in intercession..you got it mixed up ...
Thank you for this...the same verses popped up into my mind. Even after the first communion Jesus sang a hymn!
This might be off-topic. The word worship is a misnomer. For Catholics, worship is sacred and sacramental. Not music. When the Charismatic Renewal was introduced to the Catholic community, the typical format was adapted from Evangelical Charismatic church groups from where the charismatic renewal was first introduced to Anglicans first (Fr. Richard Bennett) and later Catholic Fr. Michael Scanlan. The format was balanced and included praise, teaching, contemporary music, tongues, Bible sharing, witness, prayer for healing. It was all new to us. We borrowed the Protestant format.
For a Catholic, the Mass or divine liturgy, presided over by a priest and includes Communion, is what is meant by worship.
It was not until I attended Vineyard type prayer meetings some years later that I experienced extended periods of contemporary music that included solo singing, casual instruments, did I realize for Protestant charismatics referred to music and singing as "worship." It was an odd use for a term and overly casual, unpredictable, excessive in length and focus on "celebrity" performers, was intended as "worship." It was a misnomer. It's music, and excessive, a concert, entertainment. Often, a lazy substitute for quality teaching pr preaching.
When we say the Reformation did not go nearly far enough... a presentation like this makes us contemplate how far we are from what God intended.
Some call it the Great Deformation of the Church!
Luther and the reformers did not set out to - or intend to - restore Biblical Christianity. They wanted to REFORM pristine Roman Catholicism. So we should not expect that Luther "got it right" or even got us pointed in the right direction. "Worship Services" are pagan practices. Wrapping them in a so-called "Christian" veneer does not improve them.
@@stevekerp1I've been saying that for years. The Reformation was nothing more than an attempt at 'steering' the whore of Babylon closer to Luther's view of what christianity should be. The first bible would have been written with or without Luther. The printing press was inevitable. I strongly believe that satan couldn't wait to start twisting the Word. Calvinists have used it to preach heresy ever since.
@@stevekerp1coming from the reformed baptist camp you are pretty much spot on. The Protestants essentially realigned and unfortunately repackaged another form of so-called Christianity. The ana-baptist or radical reformers actually saw the light of truth in most ( not all) of their expressions of what the Bible taught regarding a “ New Covenant Assembly “… the cathedrals and pastoral control,100% mimic the papal power and RC gatherings and call it ekklesia. Blessings
@@stevekerp1pagan practices??? That is a ridiculous statement brother
The Didache (early first century CE) includes two Eucharistic prayers used for workship.
CE? It’s AD. CE was made up to deny Christ
I’ve learned this late in life. I grew up in a missionary Baptist church and joined a SBC church as an adult. I played in praise bands and the church orchestra.
A few years back, I moved to a Primitive Baptist church. We sing hymns a cappella, pray, and hear preaching from our elder. Two Sundays a month, we bring food for a meal.
That sounds amazing ❤
Sounds very appealing. I no longer go to a "church". Mainly because I live in the middle of nowhere in Cambodia. But if I was in the west, I still wouldn't go near one. Sticking my hands in the air and swaying, with tears rolling down my cheeks as the mood music and light show does what it's designed to do, sounds absolutely ghastly to me. A good dolop of preaching and a shared meal is what it's all about.
Do they teach you that AS THE LORD JESUS IS so are we on this earth -1John 4:17
That we are TOTALLY ONE WITH The LORD JESUS as Joint Heirs in Christ - Hebrews 2:11, Romans 8:7
If not you are like the person who had a ticket for the best food on the cruise but believed he had to eat dry bread and drink water while remaining locked up in his cabin for the duration of the cruise!
@@ktermalkut8332can you elaborate?
@@loavesandfish Think of these sentences in the comment of the OP
"I moved to a Primitive Baptist church. We sing hymns a cappella, pray, and hear preaching from our elder. Two Sundays a month, we bring food for a meal."
Churches have become like social clubs where individuals choose a place they are comfortable with, which though laced with seeming humility, is in truth their egoistic choosing.
The LORD JESUS came to bring us into a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD GOD in REAL TIME where we MANIFEST HIS Victory and HIS complete defeat of the enemy/satan/shatan for us. We are GIVEN HIS AUTHORITY on this earth to be as HE IS - 1John 4:17, Hebrews 2:11. To RESIST the devil who will flee from us - James 4, to destroy the works of the devil who is WIRED to KILL STEAL DESTROY - John 10:10.
In a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD JESUS 24/7 we will be alerted to strategies and plans of the enemy so that we can BRING THEM DOWN and protect ourselves and others.
We have to choose to know The LORD GOD as Our Only TEACHER and FATHER - Matthew 23:8-10, while being alert to the corruption of RELIGION and control of the masses by the enemy through agents who operate on the ignorance of people.
I don't see the "take the fight to the enemy" in The NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST approach in the words of the OP who seems to glory in moving to a "Primitive Baptist church where they sang hymns a cappella, prayed, and heard preaching from a elder on 2 Sundays a month where they bring food for a meal."
The enemy is wired to KILL STEAL DESTROY and I am sure the OP will regard such enemy activity as "normal" and very likely could blame GOD for it NOT RECOGNIZING the work of the enemy in those situations, being IGNORANT of THE VICTORY of The LORD JESUS where WE DO NOT HAVE TO SUFFER OR BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF A DEFEATED ENEMY!
The LORD GOD Who is HIS INSPIRED WORD spoken to us when we read or hear the text (not engaging in human reasoning of the text which is condemned - Romans 8:5-9), tells us that HIS PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED by their IGNORANCE - Hosea 4:6
Some "good" christians will claim it is being imposed as a lesson for humility, not realizing that the roman catholic outfit has corrupted certain parts of the new testament. In a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD GOD as HE teaches us, HE will show us where the scriptures have been corrupted.
I'm 39 years old, and my entire life I thought the English word "worship" actually meant to "bow down and prostrate yourself before (God)" because of how I read the term from my English Bibles. I was recently kicked out of a small church after 5 years because I was trying to stress the importance of lifting each other up rather than abiding by the usual time-constrained worship service to sermon schedule. For a few years, the pastor was delighted by my observations and input until recently, where he's now battling depression. I think it's no coincidence that during this time he tried to pull the entire service back to a "traditional Western service"... and I can see it that he's battling something spiritual and not physical. Thank you for this video, Tom! I've always felt a sense of freedom from all these "traditions" because of the work of Christ but didn't know how to explain it intellectually as you have done here.
Let me encourage you a bit by implying that if one is truly focused on the Truth they will not need to spend many years to re-educate themselves on what is "True", but will simply be guided by the Truth Himself.
Your video is incredible!
Prostration is still practiced in the east. I would say prostartaion is deeply rooted in the ancientt middle eastern/eastern culture. It is a sign of paying one's respect or showing devotion to someone. You can see this practice in Eastern orthodox churches like in the syrian orthodoxy, in india prostration is daily part of most christians here wether you are a evangelical/protestant/catholic or orthodox. We even remove our footwear before entering our churches. It's the 'eastern' mindset, a gesture to show reverence.
Exactly
Yeah, but when the presence of God is felt in a congregation, the people automatically prostrate or lift their hands, they never dance and sing.
That originated from the Jewish custom, I believe. Jesus and the early disciples did not introduce any specific form of "worship", so the first-century Jerusalem church, which was mainly Jews, continued to follow the Jewish customs. In fact, Jesus and his disciples were Jews, so they worshipped outwardly like how any Jew would do, and of course, inwardly, in Spirit and in truth. Things began to change when the Gospel reached the Gentile. That is why the apostle Paul did not emphasize too much on specific religious rituals and practices. People are free to worship in whatever forms they think best, as long they they worship the one true God, respect each other and keep meeting in proper order, in unity and in love. (1 Corinthians, Romans 14)
It seems today worship refers to only music and bands and actually little real worship ever takes place
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Congratulations!! The scriptures clearly states there's going a transference of the riches of the heathen to the righteous. God keep blessings you
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A worship service is the gathering together of two or more believers to sing hymns, pray and care for each other, discuss biblical passages and share communion at regular intervals.
Right on brother!!! Thank you so much for clearly communicating this truth. I am convinced the “operating system” must be put to death and we must go back to the original “operating system” of simply assembling with the body for the purpose of forming Jesus here & now!!!
What a powerful, fact-filled presentation! No bias, no finger-pointing, no blaming others, just pointing out simply and clearly what Paul, James, and the early church fathers described gatherings among Christians were meant to be. Very refreshing, Tom! Won't hear this kind of truth in the average sermon today. "[T]hose who have insight will understand." Daniel 12:10.
"Worship Machinery" has become a cult all it's own within Churches. In addition... Excessive time spent doing "Church Stuff" takes us out of where we need to be ... Building relationships with the lost.
Our earthly lives are seeping away , as is opportunities to be out there bringing more into the fold.
@@GlennAmbort did Paul give a biblical definition of a teacher (shepherd) and that the gathering is to be under biblical elder rule?
@@GlennAmbort or blind lead blind
@@HappyPenguin75034 I have no idea. I'm not a scholar in this area.
@@GlennAmbort you’ve read the Bible? Read Timothy and Titus a few times.
I’m only 8 minutes in but I have a feeling I am going to be let off the hook for always feeling guilty that I want to arrive to service after the music is over.
I humbly recommend attending Mass at a vibrant Catholic parish and just observe some Sunday morning. Observe liturgical worship with an open mind. Peace and blessings to you.
Yes 👍
@@Fraevo10exactly
You're not alone friend. I've attended church my whole life was raised Pentecostal very charismatic and I didn't mind two or three songs but when they sang on and on and on and on it drove me nuts because I just wanted to get to the word. the last church I attended for decades. I literally used to wait about 30 minutes before I went in that way they were starting to finish up and my pastor said one time to me half jokingly that I was always late and I said no sir I'm not I'm right on time. I didn't feel the need to express my distaste for all the music and singing that to me was not my place so I just adapted to what I felt worked for me.
A big reason I didn’t last long at a church recently.
Sing songs, pray and then study Scripture. That is what we do at my 'gathering' place or 'assembly' building I attend. We have 100-200 on a given Sunday. My Pastor reads directly from the Word. We are currently reading Nehemiah. We don't do 'sermons' we read Scripture and how it applies to today. I love it !
I stopped counting at 28 the number of churches I have attended over the decades, this current style is for me, shall I say - is the most edifying ? - Indeed !
Church of Christ?
This sounds kind like the churches of Christ
Sorry, you miss the many elements that make up an Apostolic meeting. Read Paul's letters
1 Cor 12, 13, 14
Many questions for me were answered. I have always felt something was off. I have wondered through various faith traditions trying to figure out “ The Way” I have been too picky and too open in my search. When I heard the “ 45 years of study” I figured I ought to at least give 5 mins of listening. I finished the 2 part this morning. A few times I have to go back and give a section a second listen. The Lord speaks with clarity to me through this series. I am grateful for your years of study, your ability to speak clearly and the sense of abundance in your sharing. I wake up with the intention of listening again. Thank you.
Thanks for listening ... and especially for listening closely. Many people are criticizing without doing either.
I went to my old church last Sunday and left brokenhearted. The pastor talked more about politics than Jesus! 😢The Holy Spirit did move mightily at one point. I couldn’t stop praising and crying, only to find out I was the only one because rather than go with the flow of The Holy Spirit, they proceeded to introduce the guest speaker. He again talked about politics more than Jesus! I really didn’t even hear most of his speech, while they chose to cheer him on, I chose to stay in secret place with my sweet Jesus ❤
The word "church" isn't in the Greek Bible. In fact, the word church didn't exist in the First Century. Rather, Jesus says "on this rock I will build my assembly. . ." And this is always what the First Century followers of Jesus called it, "the assembly". The "assembly" does not refer to a building or a religious organization but rather, a gathering together of people.
Well done! I appreciate the work you’ve done. I’ve been uncomfortable in the church settings these past few years, and recently in frustration, I said that church has become a performance by the staff and a spectator sport for the congregation. Even the small group gatherings are orchestrated to coincide with the weekly sermon. You have brilliantly questioned, investigated, and summarized what I felt was problematic. Thank you. Hopefully, we will strive to know why we do what we do, and possibly course correct when necessary to stay true to Scripture.
Thank you Tom it is confirmation of the true Spirit of Christ
TRUTH doesn't make money.Thanks for speaking the truth.
The American church is largely big business. I support healthy business but not convinced priorities are in order.
@@jeffwright5695 Bible does and did you see appointment elders and some are called as teachers? It’s not self appointed.
@@jeffwright5695 God allowed money and work. He created work before toil. Today the economy requires money to travel, to eat, to live. Bible speaks of money and it’s not always negative. Paul accepted money even if not for himself. Jesus met in the homes of very rich. Is their idols of money and property of course. Repent and believe the gospel.
I get it! Exodus 25:8 Let them make me a sanctuary (sacred place) that I may dwell among them. The structure is only for people to gather together (edification) that God might dwell in them, not dwell in the building. "No structures except the living structure of the body of Christ are necessary...This does not undermine the usefulness of a building or structure where it can be used for the gathering of people who are the church." P. 19,20 China Underground House Churches
All you have to do is read the book of Acts and see that something is wrong with our church today
If the church started at Pentecost why aren't preachers preaching Peter's sermon in Acts 2 ?
@@tims.449excellent point
EXACTLY!!!!😅@@tims.449
@@tims.449sometimes they do
@@tims.449the reason could logically be that Peter was preaching to Jews.
It doesn't look like an apple, or smell like an apple, or taste like an apple. But we know it has to be an apple because it says its an apple on the label.
Just finished session # 2 and really quite blown away. I have difficulties imagining what our church should or could look like instead. Where edifying one another is the key focus. In our church we spend 8 minutes or so praying for bullet points up at the front. The focus is mostly for our community & missions. We r encouraged to pray with those around us but few turn around to pray with others because we are seemingly too shy or it’s too personal. As I reflect on my worship singing in church it’s mostly about gratitude and praising Him for all He has done for me. Our Triune God deserves our praise has been a huge theme. Does he not want/need our praise? Or should that be done more in private? Perhaps the rest of the series will help me. Thinking home churches or in our case “life groups” is ideal in edifying one another and yet what about teens ministry or kids ministry … I think our teens/kids do small group stuff on a Sunday morning or weekday so thats wonderful. 🇨🇦 ❤
There's nothing wrong with praising God, whether it's done alone or in a group (Acts 4:24ff; Eph 5:19; Col 3:16; 1 Cor 14:15, 26; Jas 5:13; Heb 13:15).
At the same time, let's remember that God doesn't need anything (Acts 17:24-25).
Our modern "worship culture," especially in the last 25 years, has gone way overboard in pursuing a "worship mission" that (1) is not substantiated in Scripture and that (2) drowns out the biblical mandate to be edifying one another (1 Cor 14:25). My research was an attempt to (1) remove any preconceived notions of what the Christian assembly was all about, (2) study the text of the NT with an open mind, and (3) capture a biblical perspective of the assembly. If you do that, the word 'worship' won't even enter the discussion. The other videos in the series should help you.
This explains why I am disinclined to attend Church Service.
I understand your disinclination.
@@tomwadsworth
Is that, in fact, your purpose?
@@PETERJOHN101 My purpose is to help Christians develop edifying assemblies. I hope that my work will lead fewer and fewer people to be "disinclined to attend church." But as it is, church attendance is plummeting throughout most of the world.
@@PETERJOHN101If I was in Tom's position my purpose would be to discourage traditional church attendance that is set up in a traditional modern way, and I would be encouraging home gatherings. And if held in a building in the community, then it would be set up in such a way as to reflect exactly the experience of being in the home without any of the modern traditions of church "services".
In other words the whole idea of "services" in my opinion should be thrown out the window. Instead, it should literally be a gathering of believers who enjoy each other's company and come together for fellowship and breaking of bread and drinking of wine in remembrance of Jesus
@@PETERJOHN101 Why isn't your purpose to know God's word? Your purpose is worldly.
In one church I convince the pastor that we need to publicly read scripture in church. Showed what Paul advised Timothy to do this. He agree & asked how much should we read? I follow weekly torah readings and said 3 chapters should be good. It took less than 10 mins. The music pastor’s wife told me off, since her husband had to cut out a few chorus so we could & she was mad & felt it was a waste of time. It didn’t last long as most people came only to listen to music. Others complained to me people can read bible on their own time. I explained you can sing to your iPod on your own too.
I never understood the time thing at church. They could have added the readings without removing songs. Shallow believers watch the clock.
certainly, all kinds of gatherings large and small, could potentially be worship gatherings honorable to God. Worship "in spirit and truth" is the key. Ive been part of large groups singing and praying to God, expressing anything from repentance to gratitude to rejoicing. Some people dont care for modern worship songs--im one of them. But yet i have witnessed undeniably true worship going on in unlikely ways and places. God knows who the true worshippers are--and im hesitant to make a total judgment on a church gathering style.
The problem is in the words we use, worship is not singing and dancing and music.
I thought I might be going mad in my thinking about worship but, even if I am, I now know I'm not alone.
Thank you for first undertaking all those years of work and now sharing your findings so clearly.
I wonder, if we'd kept the focus on building up each other up, and not on the pulpit or piano, would we have had all the scandals that are now coming to light?
I like your thoughts and the 'p' words. Perhaps I could expand your thoughts to say, "We need to focus on the progress of the people, not on the performance of the pulpit or piano."😁
@@tomwadsworth
How do you define _progress?_
@@PETERJOHN101 Good question. The real issue is, How does the Bible define progress? Without going into great detail, Heb 5:12 says, "By this time you ought to be teachers."
So, one aspect of progress for many Christians would be their gradual development as a teacher of God's word. Unfortunately, few churches provide a training ground for its members to develop such a skill.
Not everyone will be gifted to speak, but everyone should be making progress in the fruits of the Spirit, such as "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" (Gal 5:22-23).
For more info, I recommend two of my videos:
Worship #4: Why They Didn't Preach Sermons in the Early Church (th-cam.com/video/hV8H2fx2Y6U/w-d-xo.html) and Worship #7: What Do We Do Now? (th-cam.com/video/CGPSQVoZrMg/w-d-xo.html).
@@tomwadsworth
A teaching role is only given to _some,_ according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 12, so this cannot be the test of progress for all believers. Are you perhaps projecting from your own experience? I would suggest that progress is hearing the witness of the Holy Spirit within as a reminder that "we have no need for any man to teach us." (1 John 2:27)
@@PETERJOHN101 Yes, the teaching role was only given to some. Nonetheless, the writer of Hebrews still says, "By this time you ought to be teachers." I also added, "Not everyone will be gifted to speak."
I'm certain the first Christians met to have--celebrate--the Lord's Supper. Anything else was optional. Today, we think we have to get the singing and Communion over with to get to the heart of the "service," the sermon. We have small groups in our congregation, but many (if not the majority) regard these as unnecessary.
I'm not a scholar, but my private studies have led me to this same conclusion
Yes! It doesn't take a scholar to understand these things. But it does require an open mind and a diligent effort to study the Bible in the context in which it was written.
Amen. We've been meeting in homes and small Fellowships now for a few years, similar to what the First Century saints did in Acts 2:42-47.
Same. Me too. Even as a youngster. 😂
Scholars are the ones that have created this problem. We need more people that are lead by the Holy Spirit. In today’s society Peter and most of the disciples would have been considered uneducated men.
@@robertd..17 Amen. When I've been asked where I went to Bible School, I just respond that I have the same Teacher that the Apostles had. :)
Very illuminating lecture on "Worship Anomaly." My first time to hear this theological catch phrase.
Thank you Tom for your very clear teaching and years of study. You will never know how this has been used to help us make decisions at this present time. Praise God for teachers like you!
The early Church didn't have Bibles either but were led by the Holy Spirit as Jesus instructed in John 16:13.
No they had it, it was called Torah, in parchments. All their teachings were from Torah, the old testament books. Read the book of Acts you will see. All the letters of Paul were the revelations of the Old testament books. Even Jesus taught from that, Luke 24:25-27, 44. Holy Spirit is illuminating what is written.
@@belovedflorence4109
So they didn't have Bibles, not so?
@@belovedflorence4109 wrong. the fact is, in the first century there's no such thing as believers carrying Bibles to a meeting. there was no printing machine and Scriptures were produced through handwriting, which was time consuming and laborous work, which made it expensive. for those who couldn't afford to own the Scripture, they can only access the Scriptures in the synagogue. don't forget the fact that the majority of the population in the Mediterranean were illiterate at that time.
I completely agree with this understanding of what the Christian Church should be doing
Very good information and clarification of what Christian gatherings should be.
This is very interesting...I have been in church for over 40 years, pastoral ministry over 20 years, and this has been very eye opening. I grew up in the 80s and remember that the "services" were focused on preaching the word but there was also a push to have a "moving song service" to prepare our hearts for "worship". This was very good.
Thanks for your comments! You might also appreciate "Worship #4 Why They Didn't Preach Sermons in the Early Church" at th-cam.com/video/hV8H2fx2Y6U/w-d-xo.html
or "Worship #5 Worship Wars and the Role of Music" at th-cam.com/video/yonZAzeOrKw/w-d-xo.html
I believe God has brought me here to confirm what he has been speaking to my heart for over a decade yet I am HARD PRESSED to find a home gathering. Even.
When I attend my local church service and inquired about a home group. I was told that they were completely full.😢
"Completely full"??? Ugh.
It is not in the organized church institution's best interest to promote independent study and fellowship outside of the venue and services that they themselves provide.
My goodness! If the home group is full, it sounds like it's time to start a second one! I can understand that a home is only large enough to handle a certain number of people, but there are other homes.
@@jdwagman I started attending a new small church, slim pickings here, and they don't have ANYTHING. The pastor even leads the Bible study from the pulpit. I get dressed up to sit in a pew and then come home. There's no socializing. I've just quit going. I need some friends. I asked a member if there's a women's Bible study and he told her if she wanted to start one, go ahead. He just spent 6 weeks on sermons about how one should dress for church.
@@samsmom400
Yes me too. I want brothers and sister with the same faith so that we can have a mutual exchange of encouragement, help, and wholesome fellowship and sharing of whatever the Lord has revealed to us. No preachers or teachers, but just fellow students of Christ. Yet after all these years I still feel like Elijah hiding alone in a cave and being fed by crows. So I take what is offered and I am grateful for what I do have. Which is the opportunity to be alone with and learn from my Lord. Because the truth is I still haven't found anyone who really believes in the bible anymore - only those (wolves) who use the bible to support their heretical ideas and false beliefs handed down to them from the traditions of men.
I thank the Lord Tom that you have had that revelation. God does not worship in grand buildings. We worship in spirit and in truth
The earliest Christians were Jewish. They still went to the temple in Jerusalem and if allowed went to local synagogues, while also going to the Messianic (Christian) gatherings on the first day of the week.
Adaptations occurred over time in mixed Jewish-Gentile congregations. The model was still the synagogue where scripture commentary, prayer, and psalms were carried out (and also the common table sharing of the Eucharist).
Of course, the growth of numbers led to the creation of separate buildings and more structured services. Adaptation to new circumstances and way to carry forward the gospel are not necessarily wrong.
Exactly. The levites were in charge of the signing in the temple and as the people approached the temple they would sign popular songs. I used to work the fields as a migrant worker in the 70’s and the people would break out in singing from morning to quit time. We didn’t call it worship. Most popular secular songs were sung. That’s how I imagine pilgrims sang on their way up to the temple. Signing was part of their experience and even at weddings and such. Calling the signing part “worship” or limiting “worship” to the singing part was probably not something they did. It was however part of their whole experience- on the journey there and once at the temple for the feast, etc. Now of course they didn’t have electricity to play instruments into loud speakers 🔊 but who is to say they’d have a problem with being plugged in. Some modern day “worship” (singing) seems self oriented- like a show!
The song of Moses, the psalms, and singing in the kingdom, holy, holy, holy. Imagine all these believers signing? That would sound pretty awesome!
I grew up in a Protestant church where you weren’t allowed anything but a piano. All other instruments were banned. Not even clapping was allowed. Dancing like David would have been the quickest way to get you kicked out. lol!
I can see a place for a study like this: Don’t limit worship of God to signing. The first century followers of Yeshua wouldn’t have done that. They worshiped daily. That is, The faithful remnant worshiped daily. The temple was also open daily. Limiting worship to singing is not correct to suggest signing was not something they did? I’m not sure that can be argued or even considered as unbiblical. Traditions aren’t bad. Paul had traditions and passed down some traditions. The problem is when traditions nullify the commandments of God. There shouldn’t be a conflict. Is there a conflict when signing? Not necessarily. It’s only when some assemblies make a show of signing. The lyrics matter and are the musicians brining attention to themselves?
Anyway, thanks for your comment. Agreed! 👍
Shalom!
Dear Steven... please think deeply before dismissing what you have heard.
Your brother
Peter
Nay
@@petercampbell7962 I don't think he is dismissing. I think he is think deeply, holistically with the Biblical pattern developed throughout the Scriptures.
@@jjmonty8090 .. You are correct. I did assume this.
Thank you for pointing this out to me.
Wishing you a wonderful day.
Peter
Churches today could be called a 'One Man Show'. ( i said this a long time ago- I am German) The 'Worship service ' of today is very convenient to the carnal instinct / behavior of man. We do our thing and we are done and we continue like before. Spiritual growth is mostly measured in debating or just sitting and listening. There is at times no, very little, interaction with other believers, hopefully we meet some friends. ( A little sarcasm).
This is wonderful how Dr Tom has figured that out through his longtime studies, this is true biblical wisdom. Conclusion: We need to know each other, help each other, encourage each other, thinking and praying how to make disciples, building each other up and this is how we edify Christ. Like the world the church has become superficial. And the so-called 'Worship Music' is often so loud that I got onetime almost a panic attack. Many churches attract the young people with loud rock-style music. This is for sure not to be compared with making melody in our hearts and singing psalms. TKS so much Dr. Wadsworth! God bless.
"we cant start a church until we have $10k for sound equipment," ...this was said on the mission field when i was there... in a place where $10k was like $100k here
.....what?? Sorry to hear that.
Very sad indeed. There is a huge difference between the Church which Jesus is building on the Rock and business oriented organized denominational religion.
The sound equipment my church has includes headphones to help the hard of hearing be able to hear the message and prayers so they can fully participate.
Wow!!!
Profound reorientation of our thinking as Christians as to the purpose ( quorsum ) of our gathering together in the pattern of the early church. Wonderfully researched and presented. I predict that Tom Wadsworth's presentation here will be welcomed by believers seeking to live biblically, and resisted by those who must cling to traditions they scarcely understand.
It's apparent that many lay-people who study the Bible had this figured out decades ago. We just couldn't say anything because then we would be accused of criticizing the pastor. Therefore, we left brick and mortar and started home fellowships.
It takes a pastor to teach other pastors so thank you for stepping up. Ordained ministers don't think they have anything to learn from lay persons who have spent their lives studying the Word of the Living God.
Thank you Dr. Wadsworth. Eye opening presentation. It seems to me that we humans have a tendency to lean toward the heavier yoke of a more complicated existence in order to please God.
This sounds a lot like what was covered in the book “Pagan Christianity?” by Frank Viola and George Barna.
Yes, my video has similarities with Viola's book. However, Dr. Ben Witherington, a qualified New Testament scholar, has written an extensive (negative) review of the Pagan Christianity book.
Part 1 is here: benwitherington.blogspot.com/2008/06/pagan-christianty-by-george-barna-and.html
Part 2 is here: benwitherington.blogspot.com/2008/07/pagan-christianityreview-part-two.html
Part 3 is here: benwitherington.blogspot.com/2008/07/pagan-christianityreview-part-three.html
I think Witherington's criticisms are largely valid. Having said that ... even if only 40% of Viola's claims are true, the modern church needs to rethink the origins of its meeting practices--which my videos attempt to do.
@@tomwadsworthThanks for your reply and for sharing the links. I was one of the leaders in a house church for about five years, but it eventually dissolved (amicably). Although “Pagan Christianity?” was formative for me at that time, I don’t agree with a lot of it now. I’ll take a look at what Ben Witherington has to say.
@@TharMan9Much depends on what denomination or biblical outlook a home group is affiliated with. I have belonged to home groups that were organized for a purpose of a larger church or specific belief system. Then dissolved as the larger church dissolved or else people naturally aged out or "graduated" or moved on from the larger church. They needed supervision or pastoral oversight to stay intact.
I could make recommendations of newer churches offering home group concepts but I do not want to get off-topic from the host's intentions and beliefs. These days, my special interest home-groups are on-line. Some are local, others are national or international.
I’ve also noticed that there is a tendency in many churches to have a Team up front singing with the band while most of the congregants stand by observing! #LoveSign
Thanks for sharing this post. How far we have strayed from the Scriptures
I came to the conclusion, that translating the word that means to bow into the word “worship” is a mistake, independant of what this man had to say about it. I was doing a word study trying to find the meaning of that word and found it most clearly explained in how Joseph’s brothers interpreted Joseph’s dream:
“Now Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers they hated him even more. He said to them, “Hear this dream that I have dreamed: Behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and behold, my sheaf arose and stood upright. And behold, your sheaves gathered around it and bowed down to my sheaf.” His brothers said to him, “Are you indeed to reign over us? Or are you indeed to rule over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.”
(Genesis 37:5-8 ESV)
The act of bowing down is an outward sign of submission to the one who is our ruler, the one who is higher in authority than ourselves. By lowering ourselves before such a person we are physicaly putting on display our relationship to that person, that that person is higher up in authority than we are. It is a show of respect with regard to a rulers authority over us.
Translating the word “bow” into the word “worship” has had the following effect. Modern christianity, and people, tend to see religion as worshiping, expressing adoration (giving lip service) to God, but the early Church viewed religion on far more practical level:
“But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless. Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.”
(James 1:22-27 ESV)
The perfect law, the law of liberty, that James is speaking of is this:
“So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.”
(James 2:12-13 ESV)
The law of liberty is the one law that frees us from God’s judgment with regard to all of His other laws. As long as we show mercy to others God will legally, righteously, have mercy upon us, and forgive our sins. “To visit orphans and widows in their affliction,” and provide for their needs is one, of many, practical ways to show mercy to others. Those who do so will also be shown mercy by God.
The Fraction of Bread rite already existed, despite the "Mass of ALL time is Roman" in the common sense, there were and ARE many rites that arent Roman neither uses latin, and I AM not talking about the "Novus Ordus Missas" that uses vernacular languages, but other rites outside latin.
Particular churches such as Coptics, Assirean, Melquites, Malankara, Siriac-malabar, Greek, Ukranian, Russian, Bizantine (the Bizantine Empire doesnt exist anymore but its rite of fraction of Bread persists), oriental, etc.
Even in communion with Catholic Roman Church, they dont use same rite, but own, when conducting the Fraction of Bread. I know some Catholics in the Roman community say that the latin Mass is the "Mass of apostles", i myself as Catholic cannot affirm, some of the liturgy of the latin Mass were added with time, with the language latin being consolidated with Popes gregorious at V century, i dont remember the century... Meanwhile, the apostles Thome went Índia and installed the fraction of Bread that become the malabar rite (later siriac-malabar), which those Catholic indians are proud to say its the Mass of apostles... And they never were at Domain of Roman Empire, didnt suffered persecution by Romana like many communities, but they suffered persecution by the pagans of the orient being Hindus and Bhudists. St. Thome died there as martyr, for the glory of Christ, making even more real the greek term "katholikus" that means universal, as Christ wanted to preach to the gentiles around world.
Psalms 47:6-7 NKJV
[6] Sing praises to God, sing praises! Sing praises to our King, sing praises! [7] For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with understanding.
Modern worship, even conservative ones, is one of the reasons I eventually joined the Orthodox Church.
Good talk👍🏻
Idolatry everywhere
The apostolic assembly of the first two centuries achieved a high level of impact on the society without the overly ritualistic, buikding-oriented and clerical/hierarchical trapping of the Orthodox church (a later development after pagan Constantine)
@@vtino4825 I love a good claim! Can you sprinkle in a citation to back that up?
Another term that we use for our church buildings is "Sanctuary." If it is a "Sanctuary" then only the clergy are allowed in the building and everyone else has to look into the sanctuary through the doors, and only the Pastor is allowed in the room.
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Music in the churches is emotional priming. It’s a way to put the congregation into a trance so they can manipulate the mind. Many Christian ministers don’t even know they are doing it but it emotionally sets them up for the message.
The book of psalms is all about music
@@andrewstaples7544so how is that not priming? I’m not arguing if it’s in the Bible or not, I’m saying that music is used to prime the mind in order to manipulate. I stopped believing because none of it is true anyways.
WOW!! Excellent video!❤
American christianity is commercialized and everyone is a celebrity..very sad!
Seems a gathering/assembly should be centered around the bread and the cup and thanksgiving to our true teacher..a grateful heart is a humble heart! Keeping our eye on the prize=the love of Jesus Christ!
I looked it up.
90% of Christians in the United States do not attend a megachurch.
Most of us still go to oldei style churches. My church doesn't have screens or a band.
@@MilwaukeeWoman
Nice!!! Old timey churches ❤️
It is a big assumption to believe a focus on God is not primary in the assembly, especially in 1st c. Near East; so primary it needs no instruction. 1 Cor. 14: 26 encourages the gathering believers to each one bring a hymn, an instruction, a revelation, and so on, for the building up of the church. A hymn is certainly liturgical. Paul wrote what many believe to be liturgy in Phil. 2:5-11. But our worship should be a daily life practice Rom. 12:1 and Eph. 5:19-21. It is a jump to believe this was shelved during times of community. Second, Jesus said, where two or more are gathered in his name, there he would be. How can a believer not worship when she recognizes the presence of our Lord? Third, when a body of believers worship God in spirit and truth, they are edified. Psalms offer many positive examples how that is to be done. And finally, Rev. 5:9-10 provides a vision of the worship of believers in community in Heaven. Let it be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
When you see two or gathered together then I will be among them. If you read where this occurs and it's context. Jesus says you go with two or more when dealing with correction of a fellow believer. Same in the old testament where accusations are made against a fellow. Nowhere does scripture mention this in a general sense. Otherwise why bother having the indwelling of The Holy Spirit.
❤❤ I fougth many times as a pastor and historian with many Christians and they are blind to facts!!!!!. Beatiful study....from Argentina.
I concluded the house church fell into disfavor, when the hosting family had to deal with fellow brethren eating all the food, and also leaving trash behind to be cleaned up. The centralized church building was a way to diffuse the expenses and responsibilities. Burn-out was a real thing back then too.
Everyone was supposed to bring something. Is that not what Paul was talking about our love feasts? Secondly, they could have distributed the members, once they reach 10, start another fellowship.
@@belovedflorence4109with a rapidly growing church you won't have enough teachers if the church divides every time it hits 10.
@@MilwaukeeWomanIt wasnt aupposed tobe everyone just listening to one person preach
We “discovered” 1st Corinthians 14:26 about 32 years ago and we have been doing “home church” ever since. We still have been attending traditional churches off and on but our hearts are really in the home church… I could go on and on about things that we have experienced but the bottom line is that when we do things Gods way is when we experience Gods blessing 🙌
What do we find is Scripture? I'm not interested in what the "early church" did, they got all sorts of things wrong, even when the Apostles were alive.
In Scripture we find large numbers of Believers praying together (Acts 1-2) in a house big enough to hold all of them... This is key. Were they meeting in homes? Yes, as well as outside, in synagogues, etc.
It's NOT about WHERE we meet, but what we DO when we meet.
What do we see (examples) the Believers DOING when they COME TOGETHER, as well as, what sort on INSTRUCTION do we find?
We see them being taught by teachers/continuing in the Apostle teaching, which is the foundation of the church, Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone (which there are to be "not many teachers" according to James), praying together, singing together, eating meals together, involved in each other's lives throughout the week, financially supporting each other as needed, submitting to their overseers as well as each other, rebuking and correcting each other, doing "the work of ministry/service" having been equipped by their leaders who are God's gift to the church.
I'm sure i could think of more of i took time to.
The size of the church doesn't matter. All these things can be accomplished by a church of 2 or a church of 2,000.
Some things are more challenging for larger churches, but some things are more challenging for SMALLER churches. We're only responsible to do what the Spirit equips is to do, and the Lord is the One that builds the church, do let's let Him decide how big or little they should be.
"Home church" guys can have a lot of good insight into what Scripture says, but the fact they can be labeled as "home church guys" only goes to show that they too have gone beyond Scripture, and made "laws" that are merely the teaching of men.
This teaching is helpful! I have went to church most of my life without really understanding the actual purpose for NT believers!
Good Insights. Trusted Christ 50 years ago Tomorrow 23AUG1974. Led to Baptist Church 1976 Where the Preaching and Teaching of the Gospel ( 1 Cor 15 ) and Christian Doctrine was the Paramount priority over Music and Worship. Music was Old Time Hymns. When CCM began to encroach on many Evangelical Churches, so many were caught up into 'worship' terminology.
Thank you for your hard work in researching and pulling all this together brother Tom! One can certainly feel alone and wrong noticing these aberrations and not finding others of like mind. Now I'm going to read through the comment section to see who didn't watch the video or regardless want to cling to their tradition and feelings that are incongruous with what scripture tells us. You are with prayers of blessing and thanksgiving.
Great teaching, definitely something to consider
My husband who pastors a small baptist church always ends each Sunday saying: service is over - worship begins. Meaning our service was unto the Lord and as we walk out of the building the churc body will worship Him in everything we do and say that week
I like the emphasis taken off worship as singing only and making it our reasonable service way of life for the Lord
To me, the title of the video communicates that they didn’t have corporate gatherings. Took me 5 minutes to realize that the argument is that the focus is on the word “worship”.
Right!! Thanks for taking the five minutes! (Many have not.)
Thank you for sharing your research. Our experience confirms small weekly fellowship meetings in private homes is essential to “the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.” 1 Tim 3:15 And it works in every country…
To clarify ... I wouldn't describe home meetings as "correct" ... as if meeting anywhere else is "incorrect". (I assume that you agree.)
But I would describe home meetings as "conducive" to meetings that edify one another and build relationships in the body of Christ. We should acknowledge that there's much more to an edifying meeting than just meeting in a home.
TY sir. You confirm all my hunches about this sterile cold thing called the 501c3 institutional church
Not the people. The system. Not at all what believes need or did in the beginning
It’s become a business with 1000 different franchises
This cancer has metastasized into the bible translations themselves. In the process of translating the Greek New Testament into English I often run head-on into passages that are consistently mistranslated in all the major commercial bibles. Because some of these mistranslations have become so deeply incorporated into the sermons and doctrines of church organizations it would be considered as a blasphemy to correct them now. Any translation doing so would have no chance of any commercial success among the church institutions and those who attend them.
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Happy are the poor, because theirs in spirit is the Kingdom of Heaven.
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As I drive merrily around, I’m giving this a good listen. It both challenges my preconceptions and answers some questions I’ve been pondering for years. I’ve long admired the Amish for their not building “churches” for religious services. They assemble in homes, and spare themselves the expenses of gaudy church edifices. A Greek scholar myself, I’ll be researching more about the terms for worship and service.
If services were indeed more vertical and less entertaining, it would be a different world indeed. I have a background in ‘worship music’, but no longer engage in that.
The Jewish rabbis of old supposedly said one hasn’t truly worshipped G-d until he has prostrated himself. This seems to go along with what you’re teaching. A minister of music friend says she’s growing weary of what she calls “worshiptainment.” I certainly empathize.
I’ve long suspected that the deep and rich worship of G-d is nothing like the circus-like atmosphere I’ve been seeing over the decades. I’ll do further study and also bear in my to avoid rash judgment.
The early church d i d have "worship services", as we know that the Apostles Peter and Paul and the other ten visited the congregations throughout Europe (Rome, Thessaloniki, Korinth, Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardes, Philadelphia, Laodicea and the galathean areas).
It is mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles, chapter 2, verse 42:
"They met constantly to hear the Apostles teach and to share common live (to be together in the congregation), to break bread and to pray.
That is celebrating the Holy Mass and to hold "worship services".
Wonder, how anyone in knowledge of the New Testament could make such a statement, that the early church didn't have "worship services" ....
They didn’t gather for a concert and a motivational speech
@@alexd4066
They didn't gather for playing football either. The talk is about "worship services", remember?
They did not meet for holy mass.
@@montydec1972
Acts of the Apostles, chapter 2, verse 42 is Holy Mass, what else.
Listening to the teachings of the Apostles is hearing the preachings, breaking bread is having Holy Communion.
You don't seem to be acquainted with the christian holy mass, otherwise your doubts are not understandable.
The command to come together and celebrate holy mass by listening to the teachings can be read in Matthew 28,18 -20.
That tradition is continued until today.
@@user-lj3em8yi9fit sounds like you didn’t listen to this video.
I appreciate your clarity around this matter. I have often been confused about the word worship and how believers use this word. This is helpful.
I read an interesting small book during a religious retreat *(Catholic) written in England - no US Copyright (Episcopalian). Dated. Focus was when the Jewish believers of the "Way" would gather together to reflect on Jesus, while waiting for Jesus to return. Recently, Jesus indeed appeared to the believers while they 'gathered together'. Usually, this gathering was done while they gathered for the communal meal. I do not remember that the book mentions "Worship Service" as they 'gathered together' in the Upper Room. This could have been during the Pre-Pentecostal Festival in Acts Chapter Two. The believers (Apostles & Friends) were in seclusion - waiting for Jesus - after the Death - Resurrection - Ascension. (KJV - NKJV) *(Today I call myself a Judeo-Christian)
In Colonial America the Circuit Riders and known Preachers - John Whesley (1703 - 1791) & George Whitefield (1714 - 1770) especially would transform England & America.
Early Moravians would have Evening Psalm & Singing (1735). Influenced Whesley. Whesley & Whitefield were friends.
Although there were Buildings that the "Riders" would preach to the "Gatherings", I don't remember/know if they referred to this as worship, service and/or gathering. Many a Circuit Rider would visit a homestead and have Traditional Open-Air Meetings. Whitefield conducted Open-Air Gatherings from Georga to Massachusetts - and back again. In the early 1800s - the Methodists (Largest Congregation - USA) would have Camp Meetings. I don't recall those participating - Writings - referring to "worship". They could have. Gatherings & Service comes to my mind.
I mention Polycarp often as a reference to the Early Church. "... who teaches many not to sacrifice or worship (Bow Down)." (CA. 155)
Certainly, enjoy references: Clement, Origen and Amobius - CA. 200 to 300).
Great explanation of the transformation into Our Altar and Our Sacrifice in the understanding of the Remembrance to the Last Supper. Now - "Holy Eucharist".
Catholic - Sacrifice Jesus on an Altar in a Holy Building as the Priest causes Transubstantiation on Bread & Wine into the actual Body & Blood of Jesus Christ. As Paul the Apostle refers to the Body of Christ as the Church of the Believers in Jesus Christ according to History and the Word of the Texts - Bible.
All Grace through Faith as we "Build-up each other" or "Edification" comes from the Father - through Jesus - by the Spirit. Not "earned" or by "works" or from "our sacrifice" of Jesus to God, the Father. This Sanctification & Salvation is through the blood sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, His death, resurrection and ascension, in order to return in the Second Advent before the Tribulation. They we are all "Gathered Together" into the Glory of God. Amen.
God Bless, In Jesus' Name. Thank you, Dr. Wadsworth for this wonderful Thesis.
Benjamin Rush, excellent comments. If I may add a little, Catholics refer to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The concept is joining in the one and only original sacrifice. Not a repeat or new sacrifice. A recent Catholic Eucharistic Conference had talks by contemporary Catholic theologians expanding and explaining the Eucharistic liturgy. Can be found on-line.
@@Charity-vm4bt Thank you for your comment. Raised as a Catholic and considered the Trappist. Dogma and Roman Justification. Started to read the Gospels and Jesus' Word. Prayed to be led to the truth. KJV. Only Catholic in the Army (71 to 73) who read the KJV. Liked Shakespeare. Again Thanks.
@@benjaminrush4443Excellent reply. As a student of English literature, I loved Shakespeare!
The same Holy Spirit speaks to all true Christians. That is why so many of us have heard and thought about this same thing. My wife and I personally are not the type to have people over to our house, but I think that if enough believers start inviting fellow Christians over for a time of edification, and just sit around in the living room chatting and sharing and discussing Scripture and encouraging one another to be active witnesses for Christ, the whole thing would snowball.
Besides, a time is probably coming when the USA will be a lot like China is today; overt church attendance may be banned and the believers will be driven "underground" into house churches.
@@rexlion4510 Rex lion House churches are coming back, affiliated with newer church groups organized for a specific ministry. Some house churches meet on Zoom instead of in person. Usually there is a central teaching giving on Sunday at the main church founded by a core team that is live streamed. Then the house churches meet in small groups of about 8 during the week to follow up with whatever the specific ministry is. This is catching on with younger adults but all are welcome.
Excellent video!
Thank you Dr Wadsworth for this presentation - it has really resonated with me and shown the real difference between religion and true Christianity - I' so glad I'm part of a small house group of about ten people, this has changed my whole outlook! God bless you!
Excellent! 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you for your dedication to the word, the truth, and the body of Christ. Excellent work. My mind is blown.
The early church had the most holy Mass.
No they didn’t! THE NEW CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA ADMITS: “The Mass of today differs greatly from the very simple ceremony followed by Christ and His Apostles. And by observing the Mass frequently, even daily, Churches have veered from what Jesus intended and has made it a common event.”
Just because it LOOKED different doesn’t mean its essence was different. They proclaimed the Scriptures (that had been canonized by this time) and followed Jesus’s command to Do this in Remembrance, that is, the Holy Eucharist which is Jesus body blood soul and divinity
Roman Popery is pseudo Christianity/paganism.
@@crsw7041 Jesus didn’t say to do it every week; it had been an annual event under the Jewish arrangement.
The Eucharist is a contravention of God’s law which is stated five times in the Scriptures ; the law about not eating blood. The whole doctrine is based on a misreading of a Greek word in John chapter 6… the word ‘estin’ which means ‘represents’ and is even translated that way in a different verse in a Catholic Bible (Matt 12;9)… yet they insist that it means ‘is’ in John 6 to justify the horrific idea that bits of Jesus are in a sun-monstrance stick.
I really appreciate your teaching here. We have drifted so far from the early church gatherings. I have become very discouraged by what I see in churches today. I pray we get back to the basics of Christianity.
Thank you for this. I'm so glad the Holy Spirit lead me to this video 🙏🏽
We gather together for prayer
Fellowship
And encouragement.
That is what church is for. It is for our benefit, not God's.
I appreciate this teaching to correct our language and practice regarding what is commonly called by the misnomer of worship. I was with you until 44:00 - I would challenge your understanding of what offerings were for. I would ask that you examine the word atonement in the NT (actually the whole of scripture) the same way you have done with worship. I would be willing to dialogue if that is of interest.
I didn't realize that I stated "what offerings were for." But I'm open to hearing your thoughts on that topic.
@@tomwadsworth Thanks for the reply Tom. You appeared to be contrasting Jesus' death to 'sacrifices'. I used the word 'offerings' as I believe it is the correct terminology but your slide said "the sacrifice of Jesus made temple activities obsolete." To me this is a bit ironic since "worship" and 'service' are tabernacle/ temple terms and not all 'sacrifices' are about sin. Worship can be bowing and prostrating but the other meaning is in fact the offering/eating of ritually slaughtered animals in the form of fellowship meals. I believe atonement is also a temple activity as it is made by qualified priests on a holy altar in a holy place in a prescribed way with specific animals. It is not synonymous with pardoning of sin but rather precedes it or is sequential to it. Atonement is a literal covering - in the ritual use of the covering of the holy furniture (NOT the bringer of the offering) of the tabernacle/temple with lifeblood. In my opinion this lifeblood prevents the holiness of God in that place from breaking out against fallible mortal beings (both priest and offerer) while in that presence so that they didn't die. Sin has been pardoned by the father before there was a sacrificial system and also after it was stopped -so it never functioned the way most have been taught (ie commit a sin therefore go to the temple to make a sacrifice). There is a heavenly tabernacle, the true one, where our high priest ministers before the father to this day continually on our behalf. When it comes to earth we will inherit a literal priesthood where we will assist in ministering (actual worship) as resurrected beings to the nations.
@@urlyadoptr Thanks for sharing!
I'm an American missionary in the Philippines 14yrs, having lost and left several "churches" now wondering what to do...and appreciating kindred thoughts, Dr. Wadsworth, thank you. Currently I'm building a restaurant with a large upper room, furnished... still wondering how to do this. I need your prayers.
Consider it done.