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Thank you for making this video. After over 50 years of going to church through out my life (many denominations, presbyterians, baptists, and non-denominations, both big and small.), I came to the same conclusion after studying the Bible, and feeling uneasy with modern church. It felt like no one else understood me, but now I'm so happy that I'm not alone. Pastors have become priests, acting as intermediaries, like in the old testament, like when they need to bless the offerings and tithes like a sacrifice on the altar, wearing religious outfit. In the Bible, I believe that communion was having fellowship and sharing meals with fellow believers, not eating tiny piece of dried bread and drinking an ounce of grape juice as a ritual. I'm not anti-church. I am still a member of local presbyterian church and I try to serve. I just wanted true fellowship and meaningful worship, not some religious ceremonies week in and week out.
Love this! My husband and I got fed up with the churches in our area. Started going to a house church. People would comment as though it wasn't legitimate "worship". So great to learn the true meaning of worship in the the Greek and Hebrew. Thanks for your hard work on this topic. The church desperately needs it!
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When i first became a Christian i read the bible cover to cover and came to the same conclusion. True worship is to help each other and serve each other and to tell the world about the gospel. Bless you for edifying us
Except that the Bible isn’t the only source of teaching. It says to follow a Church as well. The one Jesus founded. The Catholic Church is the only one that can trace her roots to Jesus and the Bible
@@crsw7041 not true the Greek orthodox was before Roman catholic. Now you prey to Mary or Isis you have satanic symbols like obelisk at the Vatican the rosemary beads cone from Buddhism the head gear worn by your priests is the head gear of dagon. No the Roman catholic Church is evil and satanic they even brought in heresy like Christmas and Easter. I could go on and on but you will deny it, but we Christians know better. Send me a reply and I'll expose more false teaching
I am so glad that your teaching is getting such wide exposure. What a blessing. My husband, who last year went to be with the Lord, taught the same things about fellowship for over 50 years. I know that having fellowship in this way enables brothers and sisters to grow and mature in their walks with the Lord as each one desires for the Lord to use them to build up their brethren.
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Thank you for sharing this work brother Wadsworth, this has been terrific in confirming what the Lord has been showing my wife & I (& many others I'm certain!) for over a decade now. Praise God his yoke is easy & his burden is light, & we are citizens in His new & glorious kingdom! I hope you made a LOT of proceeds off all the adds I had to watch even to get though just this one video!! Looking forward to the entire series. Please pray for us, that we find like minded Christ followers, children of The Way to assemble together with, for edification & to compel one another to love. He sustains us each day, His grace is sufficient.
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Wow! So glad to hear this! My wife and I had come to this truth by simply reading the Bible and being taught by the Holy Spirit. But where we couldn't quite put our finger on it, you provide the fitting puzzle pieces in this teaching. Really, so thankful that we believe we didn't watch your teaching by chance. Shalom!
I was saying the same thing back in my early days as a pastor in the 70s, as "worship" became a watchword. I thought the "rediscovery of worship" was an unhealthy development, so I preached an entire series entitled "The Reason for Our Gathering. I argued that worship is not a prominent New Testament theme and that the purpose of our gathering was not worship but edification. I was a voice crying in the wilderness, and my tiny finger was not able to plug the leak in the dike of subjective emotionalism that began to flood the evangelical church. The tide of churches providing an exciting experience was irresistible, but the waters were not deep, and neither were those swept away by it. Listening to this was refreshing, though it will change nothing. However, I have often thought that the most appropriate song to be sung in a modern "worship service would be B.J. Thomas' "I'm Hooked on a Feeling."
Mark, I believe that the primary reason for our gathering is Holy Communion where we commune and partake of the body and blood of Christ. "Grant us, therefore, gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of your dear Son Jesus Christ, and to drink his blood, that our sinful bodies may be made clean by his body, and our souls washed through his most precious blood, and that we may evermore dwell in him, and he in us. Amen. "
@roddumlauf9241 Yes, in the Catholic Church and some Protestant churches similar to Catholic, such as Anglican, Episcopalian, who recognize sacramental Presence. They do not refer to reverent singing of hymns as "worship, " but to the participation in the Eucharistic liturgy.
Too many churches call music “worship”and go off the chain with it . There will be no wresting the meeting away from the music people since they are convinced they “lead worship”. I drew back a bloody stump for suggesting the volume be lowered.
My old church got so loud I couldn't bear it. When I said something to our pastor's wife, she said it was to reach out to the young people. I thought that's what reading the WORD was supposed to do.
I just have to say “thank you” for this video. Just last week I was telling God that I felt I was weird because I just couldn’t see how “going to church” and doing the “usual” - singing together facing the front toward the pulpit/stage, listening someone give a talk and someone praying to “finish” the meeting - was worshiping God💁🏾 I appreciate this video💯👍🏾🇬🇧
Well one of the main reasons to go to church is to receive God's gifts to us ( absolution and Communion). This is how our sins are forgiven. We are also strengthened by hearing God's word and in gratitude we offer praise to God.
A fresh breath on a moribund practice that entangled God's people from advancing in the maturity that was intended by the death and resurrection of the Father's only Son.
I was a pastoring a mission church for 24 years. But when I studied the NT carefully, I came to the conclusion that what I was doing was not right. During COVID we dismantled the 'church structure'. Now it's a house church and I no longer 'pastor'. The body of Christ is edified on a regular basis. But I assume the role of building the leadership of this church. What you have said gives me the clear biblical handle to boldly pursue this idea of biblical church. Thank you!
I love what you said, but I would tweak it slightly. Instead of saying, "what I was doing was not right," I would say, "what I was doing produced and perpetuated several problems." I think we do well when we get the "right" or "wrong" ideas out of our heads. Let's focus on what is most consistent with the biblical evidence and what is most productive for edifying the body of Christ.
So what do you as a pastor do with Sunday mornings? Or did u eliminate the Sunday morning gatherings? As I’m thinking about more … what about children who come to Sunday school and do not receive teaching from the Word at home or teens? I’m fascinated by what this might look like. Our “worships services” have been so “normalized” it’s difficult to even imagine great changes. Note I am definitely on board with what I’m learning … it’s almost shocking to me as life long believer. 🇨🇦 ❤
@@yvonnekneeshaw2784 Hi Yvonne. Take a look at Video #7, in which I tried to give some practical suggestions: "Worship #7 What Do We Do Now?" th-cam.com/video/CGPSQVoZrMg/w-d-xo.html I hope you find it helpful!
@@yvonnekneeshaw2784 I'm not a shepherd but if I was, I would build an assembly of Jesus where everyone had input with a song or some insight and after that, I would have a short reading from the words of Jesus. There shouldn't be any sermon, which many if not most people sit through but do not like. And I would call us "the assembly of Jesus" at whatever city I was in, because that is what Jesus called it. "Upon this rock I will build my assembly. . ."
Your correct. We are told as disciples to go and make disciples of every nation. You can not make disciples of non-believers, and you can not bear each other's burdens in a large group like a church, to many people. We are not all told to evangelise in mass. That is a gift of some only. Even though we can all testify about Christ and give the gospel. We have strayed from what we all were told to do. We all need to edify (lift up )each other in the body. Jesus said the way is straight and the gate is narrow, and few are those who find it. Scary stuff.
@HappyPenguin75034 yes we can all share the gospel to those we meet on a personal level. But sharing the Gospel to every nation tongue and tribe is a gift some have been given, e g missionaries and evangelists. It is they who take the gospel around the world. But it is discipleship that keeps Christianity on the narrow way. Lifting one another up, sharing our struggles and burdens with one another so you can grow and become more worthy and acceptable to God. Read what Paul teaches about gathering together. Accleasia. Does not mean a church. It means gathering or assembly. And again, Jesus said, "Go make disciples of all nations". To all disciples (believers). Christianity does not do that. And we have lost our way.
@@johnisabeth2504 I know the difference of the body and the gathering. The body gathers. You have 7 days to life up the body and hopefully you do that. Then also in song, prayer, reading of scripture, discussion, sharing of life, breaking bread. Yet God has made it clear a day is set aside for a ‘corporate worship’. If you want in a home or a field that’s fine. However you must still obey God as far as who teaches and being under elders and follow in obedience. We don’t get together and anyone who thinks they know the Word well enough to just teach. That’s the real problem today. th-cam.com/video/-cTK7XwdBSA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lmyrR2hC18E4YBrM
Complements to you brother. I had been in church "worshipping God" for many years until I was driven to an existential crisis. I lost faith in church and while I questioned many things about God and the Bible I was never led to doubt his existence or his benevolence. It was not until 7 years in this state I think I had a truly supernatural experience that left me changed completely. I was born again. It was here many truths began to appear uncalled. One of the major things I noticed is the degree to which we take language for granted. When a man has a heart changing experience such I had had he no longer can understand language nor use language the same way. I noticed how amazingly simple the language of the early church was and that is an indication of how profound their understanding was. A clear and deep understanding relates its ideas with simple and concise language. By this simple fact I got deeper convictions of the authenticity of scriptures. It's language is simple,direct and concise. Look at how many voluminous books were written by so-called philosophers past and present. It would take the average man a lifetime to read.
The new birth is being born of God, an event that can't be but supranatural. You've become a living stone in the church of God having a new heart, a divine nature implanted in you. Let us worship God in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24 KJV But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
@@c848 You wrote, "The new birth is being born of God, an event that can't be but supranatural. You've become a living stone in the church of God having a new heart, a divine nature implanted in you." Amen to that. A living stone in the church is immaterial, whether Jew or Gentile. This is the new creature in the new heaven and the new earth in the here and now. We may have to review more anachronic terms the church has misapplied literally.
I went to my old church last Sunday and left brokenhearted. The pastor talked more about politics than Jesus! 😢The Holy Spirit did move mightily at one point. I couldn’t stop praising and crying, only to find out I was the only one because rather than go with the flow of The Holy Spirit, they proceeded to introduce the guest speaker. He again talked about politics more than Jesus! I really didn’t even hear most of his speech, while they chose to cheer him on, I chose to stay in secret place with my sweet Jesus ❤
I fear that you're right. But I've been encouraged by a large number of favorable comments (like yours). And several good comments have come from seminary professors with PhDs and many pastoral leaders. But many of them have been people in missionary zones where they're not under the thumb of a denominational bureaucracy.
@@keithjackson28 I would argue it isn't necessarily the bureaucracy of denominationalism but instead, clericalism. It is the hyper-structuralism that accompanies how we 'do church' as an institution in general that stifles body life. The vast gulf created between so called clergy and laity imposes functionally heretical ecclesiology's.
I get it! Exodus 25:8 Let them make me a sanctuary (sacred place) that I may dwell among them. The structure is only for people to gather together (edification) that God might dwell in them, not dwell in the building. "No structures except the living structure of the body of Christ are necessary...This does not undermine the usefulness of a building or structure where it can be used for the gathering of people who are the church." P. 19,20 China Underground House Churches
Thank you Dr Wadsworth. At the risk of being repetitive, your presentation on this topic is -- for many of us accustomed to the institution of church -- absolutely groundbreaking. I've been passing around, to anyone who would listen, your previous series. This consolidation video is going to be a great 'all-in-one' resource. All glory to our sovereign Lord, who brought me to this channel!
"All glory to our 'Sovereign Lord' who brought me to this channel". This entire video had a great 'anti-religious/Pro-relationship with Jesus' vibe but you Calvinist make God sound like a robot master...
Did the sovereign Lord gloriously lead the majority of churches to wrongly interpret worship? Does He ordain error among believers for His greatest glory?
@@laurakosch @laurakosch 8 hours ago Did the sovereign Lord gloriously cause Pharaoh to have his heart hardened? Did He ordain Judas to betray the Son of Man for the purpose of the sinner's salvation? Did God preordain those who would be saved before the creation of the world, as per Ephesians chapter 1? Did the Lord predestine the snarky comments of those who consider the sovereignty of God an affront?
Today I finished up the series of seven. Excellent job. I try to explain to folks the same way. Have tried for years. Now I'm assisting in teaching adults in assembly and I'm touching on these topics. Read study pray.
Luther and the reformers did not set out to - or intend to - restore Biblical Christianity. They wanted to REFORM pristine Roman Catholicism. So we should not expect that Luther "got it right" or even got us pointed in the right direction. "Worship Services" are pagan practices. Wrapping them in a so-called "Christian" veneer does not improve them.
@@stevekerp1I've been saying that for years. The Reformation was nothing more than an attempt at 'steering' the whore of Babylon closer to Luther's view of what christianity should be. The first bible would have been written with or without Luther. The printing press was inevitable. I strongly believe that satan couldn't wait to start twisting the Word. Calvinists have used it to preach heresy ever since.
@@stevekerp1coming from the reformed baptist camp you are pretty much spot on. The Protestants essentially realigned and unfortunately repackaged another form of so-called Christianity. The ana-baptist or radical reformers actually saw the light of truth in most ( not all) of their expressions of what the Bible taught regarding a “ New Covenant Assembly “… the cathedrals and pastoral control,100% mimic the papal power and RC gatherings and call it ekklesia. Blessings
You make some great points. For many years my wife and I had a sense that things weren't as they should be re churches. Occasionally I'd vent to her that we arrive, shake hands, sing listen to a Greek-style orator, shake hands again and at best get into a very brief surface conversation or 2. Then that's it for another week. I found my devotion material and Bible reading far more edifying. Something is missing. I brushed off church sponsored sports and games nights. I was told that's "fellowship" that I'm missing. No, that's not fellowship, that's not edifying one another. What we came to realize is the entire modern church structure is fabricated from a business model from the 1800s. Nothing like the early church. For now we've found a small church group, and it's refreshing to find a few there we can actually discuss the Lord and our walk with Him at each gathering. Rather than discuss work and the latest shopping sales. Even take time to pray for a need or challenge. Back in the 90s, someone encouraged me to get my hands on the Whitfield Books(by Arnold Dallimore ) and other writings. I remember reading that early in Whitfield's era in England, church "societies" had been formed. Small church groups that met in meeting rooms. And when those believers crossed paths in the streets etc, it was common practice to greet one another with "do I find thee praying ?" Is there a need. There are no home churches in my area but I do see that as being the way to go. And getting back to the proper way to gather and edify.
Thank you Dr. Wadsworth. Eye opening presentation. It seems to me that we humans have a tendency to lean toward the heavier yoke of a more complicated existence in order to please God.
Wow! I love this. Thank you. I've been needing this kind of assembly where each share scriptures & what God placed in our hearts to build up each other. It's so far fetch with how churches are ran today, but God will make a way🙏
Thank you Tom for your very clear teaching and years of study. You will never know how this has been used to help us make decisions at this present time. Praise God for teachers like you!
Churches today could be called a 'One Man Show'. ( i said this a long time ago- I am German) The 'Worship service ' of today is very convenient to the carnal instinct / behavior of man. We do our thing and we are done and we continue like before. Spiritual growth is mostly measured in debating or just sitting and listening. There is at times no, very little, interaction with other believers, hopefully we meet some friends. ( A little sarcasm). This is wonderful how Dr Tom has figured that out through his longtime studies, this is true biblical wisdom. Conclusion: We need to know each other, help each other, encourage each other, thinking and praying how to make disciples, building each other up and this is how we edify Christ. Like the world the church has become superficial. And the so-called 'Worship Music' is often so loud that I got onetime almost a panic attack. Many churches attract the young people with loud rock-style music. This is for sure not to be compared with making melody in our hearts and singing psalms. TKS so much Dr. Wadsworth! God bless.
Sing songs, pray and then study Scripture. That is what we do at my 'gathering' place or 'assembly' building I attend. We have 100-200 on a given Sunday. My Pastor reads directly from the Word. We are currently reading Nehemiah. We don't do 'sermons' we read Scripture and how it applies to today. I love it ! I stopped counting at 28 the number of churches I have attended over the decades, this current style is for me, shall I say - is the most edifying ? - Indeed !
Right on brother!!! Thank you so much for clearly communicating this truth. I am convinced the “operating system” must be put to death and we must go back to the original “operating system” of simply assembling with the body for the purpose of forming Jesus here & now!!!
Yes, there were worship services during the time of the apostles. Early Christian worship was quite different from what we see today but had some foundational similarities. Gathering and Fellowship: Early Christians often met in homes for worship and fellowship. These gatherings included prayer, singing hymns, and reading from the Scriptures. Teaching and Preaching: The apostles and other leaders would teach and preach about Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. This was a central part of their gatherings. The Lord’s Supper: Also known as Communion or the Eucharist, this was a significant part of early Christian worship. Only baptized believers participated in this part of the service. Prayer: Prayer was a vital component, often led by different members of the community. Baptism: New believers were baptized as a sign of their faith and inclusion in the Christian community. These elements formed the core of early Christian worship, reflecting their devotion and communal life.
If you payed attention you probably now know what proskenuo means, it is not what we call worship today. Therefore, no they didn't "worship" they ministered to one another. When they ministered to the Lord it was prayer and fasting and not "worship. "
@belovedflorence4109 the converted jews and gentiles had their songs psalms melodies from their customs so your trying to say the early new testament church never sung anything never praised or worshiped in song together the Lord in homes in fields in festivals weddings in gatherings or when travelling enroute by foot?
ecclesiology (philosophy of ministry), as a topic of discussion is 'off limit's' in nearly every organized religious institution I've ever experienced.
Well done! I appreciate the work you’ve done. I’ve been uncomfortable in the church settings these past few years, and recently in frustration, I said that church has become a performance by the staff and a spectator sport for the congregation. Even the small group gatherings are orchestrated to coincide with the weekly sermon. You have brilliantly questioned, investigated, and summarized what I felt was problematic. Thank you. Hopefully, we will strive to know why we do what we do, and possibly course correct when necessary to stay true to Scripture.
Thank you Dr Wadsworth for this presentation - it has really resonated with me and shown the real difference between religion and true Christianity - I' so glad I'm part of a small house group of about ten people, this has changed my whole outlook! God bless you!
What a powerful, fact-filled presentation! No bias, no finger-pointing, no blaming others, just pointing out simply and clearly what Paul, James, and the early church fathers described gatherings among Christians were meant to be. Very refreshing, Tom! Won't hear this kind of truth in the average sermon today. "[T]hose who have insight will understand." Daniel 12:10.
"Worship Machinery" has become a cult all it's own within Churches. In addition... Excessive time spent doing "Church Stuff" takes us out of where we need to be ... Building relationships with the lost. Our earthly lives are seeping away , as is opportunities to be out there bringing more into the fold.
I'm 39 years old, and my entire life I thought the English word "worship" actually meant to "bow down and prostrate yourself before (God)" because of how I read the term from my English Bibles. I was recently kicked out of a small church after 5 years because I was trying to stress the importance of lifting each other up rather than abiding by the usual time-constrained worship service to sermon schedule. For a few years, the pastor was delighted by my observations and input until recently, where he's now battling depression. I think it's no coincidence that during this time he tried to pull the entire service back to a "traditional Western service"... and I can see it that he's battling something spiritual and not physical. Thank you for this video, Tom! I've always felt a sense of freedom from all these "traditions" because of the work of Christ but didn't know how to explain it intellectually as you have done here.
Let me encourage you a bit by implying that if one is truly focused on the Truth they will not need to spend many years to re-educate themselves on what is "True", but will simply be guided by the Truth Himself. Your video is incredible!
When I first showed up in a college in 1970 one of the professors said something which I have never forgotten, "In this academic world there are two unforgivable sins: anachronism and plagiarism." And I early on learned that there were no 'churches' in the NT. There were small groups of believers who met in houses. And there were no denominations in the NT.
Not to gather like we think of ‘having church’ but to evangelize lost Jews with the gospel. The synagogues were for Judaism that didn’t just magically stop bc Jesus commissioned them and ascended. In fact they were still being persecuted by the Jews of the synagogues. They gathered in Solomon’s portico/“porch” to preach the gospel. Again not to hold (our understanding of) a church service. (your breaking first caution mentioned 😂)
@@Lynn-r8h they went to the synagogue to preach the gospel (probably mainly to lost Jews still of the law) not to have a “church service” like your thinking.
We are the temple, amen brother Tom! You've really done your homework. I've been burdened over this topic for 25 years and have researched and written on the subject. In my humble opinion, after watching this and your 7 extended videos, this is the most comprehensive work on the subject to date. Please consider tweaking your dissertation into a short book for an average person to read easily. Additionally, we have been gathering together in this way for the last 5 years, and I'm even more convinced that it is a more faithful representation of biblical assembly. The main problem is that the concept is a huge paradigm shift. Even those who understand 1 Cor 14:26 have a difficult time going against current practices. Godspeed!
witthout PRAISE and WORSHIP you are MISSING out on one of the MAIN WEAPONS in our warfare against satan - read Psalm 149. The use of HUMAN REASONING to understand spiritual Truth is CONDEMNED - Romans 8:5-9. This violaion is the core of this video - all the "scholars" he refers to are THOSE WE ARE COMMANDED TO AVOID as they REJECT THE INFILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT that The LORD JESUS CALLED THE POWER - 2Timothy 3:5, Luke 24:49, Acts 1:8, manifested in Acts 2, read especially verses 36-39, 10:44-48, 19:1-6. As the earth is being cleansed as in the days of Noah, the wicked are being removed from the earth.
I have been meeting in homes and open meetings with believers for 25 years… it is wonderful. Read my comment I just posted at the top of this comment section… blessings!
Prostration is still practiced in the east. I would say prostartaion is deeply rooted in the ancientt middle eastern/eastern culture. It is a sign of paying one's respect or showing devotion to someone. You can see this practice in Eastern orthodox churches like in the syrian orthodoxy, in india prostration is daily part of most christians here wether you are a evangelical/protestant/catholic or orthodox. We even remove our footwear before entering our churches. It's the 'eastern' mindset, a gesture to show reverence.
That originated from the Jewish custom, I believe. Jesus and the early disciples did not introduce any specific form of "worship", so the first-century Jerusalem church, which was mainly Jews, continued to follow the Jewish customs. In fact, Jesus and his disciples were Jews, so they worshipped outwardly like how any Jew would do, and of course, inwardly, in Spirit and in truth. Things began to change when the Gospel reached the Gentile. That is why the apostle Paul did not emphasize too much on specific religious rituals and practices. People are free to worship in whatever forms they think best, as long they they worship the one true God, respect each other and keep meeting in proper order, in unity and in love. (1 Corinthians, Romans 14)
Profound reorientation of our thinking as Christians as to the purpose ( quorsum ) of our gathering together in the pattern of the early church. Wonderfully researched and presented. I predict that Tom Wadsworth's presentation here will be welcomed by believers seeking to live biblically, and resisted by those who must cling to traditions they scarcely understand.
Psalms 47:6-7 NKJV [6] Sing praises to God, sing praises! Sing praises to our King, sing praises! [7] For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with understanding.
Excellent presentation, my brother. And it is definitely edifying. I have always tried to stress to the church that it's primary "duty" is for each member to love and care for one another according to Christ's command in John 13:34-35 By this all men will know we are His disciples. Let us look for daily opportunities to edify and encourage our brothers and sisters in the Lord.
The worship of the Jews had incense ( smoke) and the worship in heaven has bowls of incense. "Let my prayer be set before You as incense, The lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice." (Psalm 141:2)
Thank you for this. I'm no scholar, I've never been to college, and spent 35 years not believing in God. I never considered myself an atheist, because I never believed that everything could just magically appear, everything is what the universe is. And from a very young age that evolution in the Big Bang are theories, nothing more. And seeing non-believers except a theory as a fact puzzles me to this day. I stopped going to church because I didn't believe what preachers were telling me. And I thought that meant that's what their God was telling me. Reading various different books books on various different Pagan religions I found many similarities between all of them. I'm not perfect, but I do my best to live my life by the scientific method. Fascinating to me how modern day Christianity seems to cherry pick a very subtly from Pagan ideology. When I discovered that God was real, the first thing I did was prostrate myself and pray for forgiveness. I was worried that I was doing something that the Pagan world was doing. So I began reading everything I can get my hands on and I still do, on how the early Christians obeyed the teachings of Jesus Christ. When I looked at the Greek word for prostrate, I felt like I was on the right track. However, my lack of formal education created a great sense of doubt Within me. You've given me further reassurance, and for that I thank you. God bless the work you do.
@@jeffwright5695 God allowed money and work. He created work before toil. Today the economy requires money to travel, to eat, to live. Bible speaks of money and it’s not always negative. Paul accepted money even if not for himself. Jesus met in the homes of very rich. Is their idols of money and property of course. Repent and believe the gospel.
A worship service is the gathering together of two or more believers to sing hymns, pray and care for each other, discuss biblical passages and share communion at regular intervals.
This is very interesting...I have been in church for over 40 years, pastoral ministry over 20 years, and this has been very eye opening. I grew up in the 80s and remember that the "services" were focused on preaching the word but there was also a push to have a "moving song service" to prepare our hearts for "worship". This was very good.
Thanks for your comments! You might also appreciate "Worship #4 Why They Didn't Preach Sermons in the Early Church" at th-cam.com/video/hV8H2fx2Y6U/w-d-xo.html or "Worship #5 Worship Wars and the Role of Music" at th-cam.com/video/yonZAzeOrKw/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for sharing your research. Our experience confirms small weekly fellowship meetings in private homes is essential to “the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.” 1 Tim 3:15 And it works in every country…
To clarify ... I wouldn't describe home meetings as "correct" ... as if meeting anywhere else is "incorrect". (I assume that you agree.) But I would describe home meetings as "conducive" to meetings that edify one another and build relationships in the body of Christ. We should acknowledge that there's much more to an edifying meeting than just meeting in a home.
WOW!! Excellent video!❤ American christianity is commercialized and everyone is a celebrity..very sad! Seems a gathering/assembly should be centered around the bread and the cup and thanksgiving to our true teacher..a grateful heart is a humble heart! Keeping our eye on the prize=the love of Jesus Christ!
I looked it up. 90% of Christians in the United States do not attend a megachurch. Most of us still go to oldei style churches. My church doesn't have screens or a band.
Thank you for your hard work in researching and pulling all this together brother Tom! One can certainly feel alone and wrong noticing these aberrations and not finding others of like mind. Now I'm going to read through the comment section to see who didn't watch the video or regardless want to cling to their tradition and feelings that are incongruous with what scripture tells us. You are with prayers of blessing and thanksgiving.
We “discovered” 1st Corinthians 14:26 about 32 years ago and we have been doing “home church” ever since. We still have been attending traditional churches off and on but our hearts are really in the home church… I could go on and on about things that we have experienced but the bottom line is that when we do things Gods way is when we experience Gods blessing 🙌
So dry, so cerebral, so unspiritual: 1 Co. 14:26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn,... 1 Co. 14:15 I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. Eph. 5:19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, Heb. 13:Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. You don't need to know greek to find these. Also, heaven is filled with continuous praise and worship ALL THE TIME, and Jesus' prayer states: Thy will be done here on earth as it is in heaven.
I like this one better. Matthew 6:5 "Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues[a] and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward! 6 But whenever you pray, go into your inner room,[b] close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you" Basically, keep it to yourself and stop disturbing others with it.
@@arbitrarysequence That passage is telling you not to be a hypocrite motivated by a need for attention, not to be without a voice in the the Church. You don't get to cherry pick verses.
This might be off-topic. The word worship is a misnomer. For Catholics, worship is sacred and sacramental. Not music. When the Charismatic Renewal was introduced to the Catholic community, the typical format was adapted from Evangelical Charismatic church groups from where the charismatic renewal was first introduced to Anglicans first (Fr. Richard Bennett) and later Catholic Fr. Michael Scanlan. The format was balanced and included praise, teaching, contemporary music, tongues, Bible sharing, witness, prayer for healing. It was all new to us. We borrowed the Protestant format. For a Catholic, the Mass or divine liturgy, presided over by a priest and includes Communion, is what is meant by worship. It was not until I attended Vineyard type prayer meetings some years later that I experienced extended periods of contemporary music that included solo singing, casual instruments, did I realize for Protestant charismatics referred to music and singing as "worship." It was an odd use for a term and overly casual, unpredictable, excessive in length and focus on "celebrity" performers, was intended as "worship." It was a misnomer. It's music, and excessive, a concert, entertainment. Often, a lazy substitute for quality teaching pr preaching.
Really enjoyed your video. Thanks. One reason so many young people may be leaving the church outside of not grounding them in their faith with apologetics is that they are not being edified. Just think if they didn’t have to sit in that boring worship service and were actually receiving edification. It would change their outlook on meeting and spending time with other Christians. It would change all of our view of our gatherings. Thank you!
I believe God has brought me here to confirm what he has been speaking to my heart for over a decade yet I am HARD PRESSED to find a home gathering. Even. When I attend my local church service and inquired about a home group. I was told that they were completely full.😢
It is not in the organized church institution's best interest to promote independent study and fellowship outside of the venue and services that they themselves provide.
My goodness! If the home group is full, it sounds like it's time to start a second one! I can understand that a home is only large enough to handle a certain number of people, but there are other homes.
@@jdwagman I started attending a new small church, slim pickings here, and they don't have ANYTHING. The pastor even leads the Bible study from the pulpit. I get dressed up to sit in a pew and then come home. There's no socializing. I've just quit going. I need some friends. I asked a member if there's a women's Bible study and he told her if she wanted to start one, go ahead. He just spent 6 weeks on sermons about how one should dress for church.
@@samsmom400 Yes me too. I want brothers and sister with the same faith so that we can have a mutual exchange of encouragement, help, and wholesome fellowship and sharing of whatever the Lord has revealed to us. No preachers or teachers, but just fellow students of Christ. Yet after all these years I still feel like Elijah hiding alone in a cave and being fed by crows. So I take what is offered and I am grateful for what I do have. Which is the opportunity to be alone with and learn from my Lord. Because the truth is I still haven't found anyone who really believes in the bible anymore - only those (wolves) who use the bible to support their heretical ideas and false beliefs handed down to them from the traditions of men.
I'm certain the first Christians met to have--celebrate--the Lord's Supper. Anything else was optional. Today, we think we have to get the singing and Communion over with to get to the heart of the "service," the sermon. We have small groups in our congregation, but many (if not the majority) regard these as unnecessary.
When I find the word "worship" in the Bible, it always refers to a one-on-one worship, as in "then he bowed his head and worshipped". Spontaneously and without needing other people around. What do you think?
Generally, that's true. But not always. There are a few cases of multiple people performing "proskuneo worship" (prostrating) such as 1 Chron 29:20 or "latreia worship" (sacrificing) Ex 3:12-18.
not to leave out the Honda vehicle joke ",,, gathered together in one Accord" Acts 2:1 God built His church(Ecclesia) ,,,,, do not forsake assembling together Hebrews 10:25
@@frtillmanYT If you do research on the English word Church you will find the Greek Ekklesia = Assemble of called out separated one's and the Roman go to Church once a week on Sunday Church are two totally different things. Are you aware we get the English word Circus and Circle from Church which come from the word Circe. Find out who Circe is and you will be on the strait and narrow Road to the Truth of the Matter. Grace Faith Hope and Charity to you AMEN
@@Slit-dl6gl Could it be the Church Mass stands for Massacre and putting to death over and over again the Body of Jesus? Hebrews 10: 24-27 . Christ the Anointed Savior Died Once for all times. Read Romans 6:1-14 If you desire to know true Communion and its daily power process with your Creator in communal Common Unity daily in the secret place of the most high. Stop playing Church and Be Gods Temple of Prayer and Sacrifice Every Day in Every Way. Acts 2:46 is talking about each called out Saint and the New Spiritual Temple of the Spirit of Holiness. It has nothing to do with Church insanity Christianity. Christ Jesus In his holy Temple of each and every Called out Sanctified Disciplined One Walking continually in Grace Faith. Godly Character In You the Mystery and Hope of Divine Glory.
Context is meaning. Because of persecution the church could not meet as we do. Search the Old Testament and see how congregational gathering enriched the worship experience.
certainly, all kinds of gatherings large and small, could potentially be worship gatherings honorable to God. Worship "in spirit and truth" is the key. Ive been part of large groups singing and praying to God, expressing anything from repentance to gratitude to rejoicing. Some people dont care for modern worship songs--im one of them. But yet i have witnessed undeniably true worship going on in unlikely ways and places. God knows who the true worshippers are--and im hesitant to make a total judgment on a church gathering style.
A very timely and encouraging message. We are all One Body in Jesus Christ our Lord. We His people are the church not a building and we need each other more than ever; we need to have people who we can meet with, for encouragement, help, assistance, prayer and edification.
I’ve learned this late in life. I grew up in a missionary Baptist church and joined a SBC church as an adult. I played in praise bands and the church orchestra. A few years back, I moved to a Primitive Baptist church. We sing hymns a cappella, pray, and hear preaching from our elder. Two Sundays a month, we bring food for a meal.
Sounds very appealing. I no longer go to a "church". Mainly because I live in the middle of nowhere in Cambodia. But if I was in the west, I still wouldn't go near one. Sticking my hands in the air and swaying, with tears rolling down my cheeks as the mood music and light show does what it's designed to do, sounds absolutely ghastly to me. A good dolop of preaching and a shared meal is what it's all about.
Do they teach you that AS THE LORD JESUS IS so are we on this earth -1John 4:17 That we are TOTALLY ONE WITH The LORD JESUS as Joint Heirs in Christ - Hebrews 2:11, Romans 8:7 If not you are like the person who had a ticket for the best food on the cruise but believed he had to eat dry bread and drink water while remaining locked up in his cabin for the duration of the cruise!
@@loavesandfish Think of these sentences in the comment of the OP "I moved to a Primitive Baptist church. We sing hymns a cappella, pray, and hear preaching from our elder. Two Sundays a month, we bring food for a meal." Churches have become like social clubs where individuals choose a place they are comfortable with, which though laced with seeming humility, is in truth their egoistic choosing. The LORD JESUS came to bring us into a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD GOD in REAL TIME where we MANIFEST HIS Victory and HIS complete defeat of the enemy/satan/shatan for us. We are GIVEN HIS AUTHORITY on this earth to be as HE IS - 1John 4:17, Hebrews 2:11. To RESIST the devil who will flee from us - James 4, to destroy the works of the devil who is WIRED to KILL STEAL DESTROY - John 10:10. In a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD JESUS 24/7 we will be alerted to strategies and plans of the enemy so that we can BRING THEM DOWN and protect ourselves and others. We have to choose to know The LORD GOD as Our Only TEACHER and FATHER - Matthew 23:8-10, while being alert to the corruption of RELIGION and control of the masses by the enemy through agents who operate on the ignorance of people. I don't see the "take the fight to the enemy" in The NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST approach in the words of the OP who seems to glory in moving to a "Primitive Baptist church where they sang hymns a cappella, prayed, and heard preaching from a elder on 2 Sundays a month where they bring food for a meal." The enemy is wired to KILL STEAL DESTROY and I am sure the OP will regard such enemy activity as "normal" and very likely could blame GOD for it NOT RECOGNIZING the work of the enemy in those situations, being IGNORANT of THE VICTORY of The LORD JESUS where WE DO NOT HAVE TO SUFFER OR BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF A DEFEATED ENEMY! The LORD GOD Who is HIS INSPIRED WORD spoken to us when we read or hear the text (not engaging in human reasoning of the text which is condemned - Romans 8:5-9), tells us that HIS PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED by their IGNORANCE - Hosea 4:6 Some "good" christians will claim it is being imposed as a lesson for humility, not realizing that the roman catholic outfit has corrupted certain parts of the new testament. In a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD GOD as HE teaches us, HE will show us where the scriptures have been corrupted.
Having spent years in prayer groups, I'd take that over other forms of church services/meetings any day of the week. There is nothing more wonderful than to share in being with Jesus than that environment learning to discern & experience His presence & voice, and to receive and exercise the gifts we've been given as the outflow of that fellowship in serving/edifying one another.
Many questions for me were answered. I have always felt something was off. I have wondered through various faith traditions trying to figure out “ The Way” I have been too picky and too open in my search. When I heard the “ 45 years of study” I figured I ought to at least give 5 mins of listening. I finished the 2 part this morning. A few times I have to go back and give a section a second listen. The Lord speaks with clarity to me through this series. I am grateful for your years of study, your ability to speak clearly and the sense of abundance in your sharing. I wake up with the intention of listening again. Thank you.
This is an intriguing topic that has been on my mind for some time. When examining contemporary evangelical/charismatic worship services, I question whether God truly appreciates the constant praise and the use of contemporary music styles. Does the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob find pleasure in such self-centered adoration? God is love, and love in its purest form is not egotistical or self-centered. God's love is communal and primarily expressed horizontally. As an African, I am well-acquainted with individuals who worship dark forces, and one of the defining characteristics of these forces is their relentless demand for worship and honor. In contrast, what is revealed in Christ our Lord is a distinct type of love-a love for God expressed through love for our neighbors (horizontally).
No they had it, it was called Torah, in parchments. All their teachings were from Torah, the old testament books. Read the book of Acts you will see. All the letters of Paul were the revelations of the Old testament books. Even Jesus taught from that, Luke 24:25-27, 44. Holy Spirit is illuminating what is written.
@@belovedflorence4109 wrong. the fact is, in the first century there's no such thing as believers carrying Bibles to a meeting. there was no printing machine and Scriptures were produced through handwriting, which was time consuming and laborous work, which made it expensive. for those who couldn't afford to own the Scripture, they can only access the Scriptures in the synagogue. don't forget the fact that the majority of the population in the Mediterranean were illiterate at that time.
Just finished session # 2 and really quite blown away. I have difficulties imagining what our church should or could look like instead. Where edifying one another is the key focus. In our church we spend 8 minutes or so praying for bullet points up at the front. The focus is mostly for our community & missions. We r encouraged to pray with those around us but few turn around to pray with others because we are seemingly too shy or it’s too personal. As I reflect on my worship singing in church it’s mostly about gratitude and praising Him for all He has done for me. Our Triune God deserves our praise has been a huge theme. Does he not want/need our praise? Or should that be done more in private? Perhaps the rest of the series will help me. Thinking home churches or in our case “life groups” is ideal in edifying one another and yet what about teens ministry or kids ministry … I think our teens/kids do small group stuff on a Sunday morning or weekday so thats wonderful. 🇨🇦 ❤
There's nothing wrong with praising God, whether it's done alone or in a group (Acts 4:24ff; Eph 5:19; Col 3:16; 1 Cor 14:15, 26; Jas 5:13; Heb 13:15). At the same time, let's remember that God doesn't need anything (Acts 17:24-25). Our modern "worship culture," especially in the last 25 years, has gone way overboard in pursuing a "worship mission" that (1) is not substantiated in Scripture and that (2) drowns out the biblical mandate to be edifying one another (1 Cor 14:25). My research was an attempt to (1) remove any preconceived notions of what the Christian assembly was all about, (2) study the text of the NT with an open mind, and (3) capture a biblical perspective of the assembly. If you do that, the word 'worship' won't even enter the discussion. The other videos in the series should help you.
I thought I might be going mad in my thinking about worship but, even if I am, I now know I'm not alone. Thank you for first undertaking all those years of work and now sharing your findings so clearly. I wonder, if we'd kept the focus on building up each other up, and not on the pulpit or piano, would we have had all the scandals that are now coming to light?
I like your thoughts and the 'p' words. Perhaps I could expand your thoughts to say, "We need to focus on the progress of the people, not on the performance of the pulpit or piano."😁
@@PETERJOHN101 Good question. The real issue is, How does the Bible define progress? Without going into great detail, Heb 5:12 says, "By this time you ought to be teachers." So, one aspect of progress for many Christians would be their gradual development as a teacher of God's word. Unfortunately, few churches provide a training ground for its members to develop such a skill. Not everyone will be gifted to speak, but everyone should be making progress in the fruits of the Spirit, such as "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" (Gal 5:22-23). For more info, I recommend two of my videos: Worship #4: Why They Didn't Preach Sermons in the Early Church (th-cam.com/video/hV8H2fx2Y6U/w-d-xo.html) and Worship #7: What Do We Do Now? (th-cam.com/video/CGPSQVoZrMg/w-d-xo.html).
@@tomwadsworth A teaching role is only given to _some,_ according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 12, so this cannot be the test of progress for all believers. Are you perhaps projecting from your own experience? I would suggest that progress is hearing the witness of the Holy Spirit within as a reminder that "we have no need for any man to teach us." (1 John 2:27)
@@PETERJOHN101 Yes, the teaching role was only given to some. Nonetheless, the writer of Hebrews still says, "By this time you ought to be teachers." I also added, "Not everyone will be gifted to speak."
Love your teaching but I truly loved what you said at the end. You might not be correct in every little thing but figure it out for yourself. This is a huge problem today. Most don’t try to figure anything out. They are comfortable going to church and just listening to someone feed them anything. I wish the service could be just a long Sunday school class where there could be a conversation back and forth. Most pastors will never say that they don’t have the complete understanding of a topic.
I’m only 8 minutes in but I have a feeling I am going to be let off the hook for always feeling guilty that I want to arrive to service after the music is over.
I humbly recommend attending Mass at a vibrant Catholic parish and just observe some Sunday morning. Observe liturgical worship with an open mind. Peace and blessings to you.
You're not alone friend. I've attended church my whole life was raised Pentecostal very charismatic and I didn't mind two or three songs but when they sang on and on and on and on it drove me nuts because I just wanted to get to the word. the last church I attended for decades. I literally used to wait about 30 minutes before I went in that way they were starting to finish up and my pastor said one time to me half jokingly that I was always late and I said no sir I'm not I'm right on time. I didn't feel the need to express my distaste for all the music and singing that to me was not my place so I just adapted to what I felt worked for me.
The earliest Christians were Jewish. They still went to the temple in Jerusalem and if allowed went to local synagogues, while also going to the Messianic (Christian) gatherings on the first day of the week. Adaptations occurred over time in mixed Jewish-Gentile congregations. The model was still the synagogue where scripture commentary, prayer, and psalms were carried out (and also the common table sharing of the Eucharist). Of course, the growth of numbers led to the creation of separate buildings and more structured services. Adaptation to new circumstances and way to carry forward the gospel are not necessarily wrong.
Exactly. The levites were in charge of the signing in the temple and as the people approached the temple they would sign popular songs. I used to work the fields as a migrant worker in the 70’s and the people would break out in singing from morning to quit time. We didn’t call it worship. Most popular secular songs were sung. That’s how I imagine pilgrims sang on their way up to the temple. Signing was part of their experience and even at weddings and such. Calling the signing part “worship” or limiting “worship” to the singing part was probably not something they did. It was however part of their whole experience- on the journey there and once at the temple for the feast, etc. Now of course they didn’t have electricity to play instruments into loud speakers 🔊 but who is to say they’d have a problem with being plugged in. Some modern day “worship” (singing) seems self oriented- like a show! The song of Moses, the psalms, and singing in the kingdom, holy, holy, holy. Imagine all these believers signing? That would sound pretty awesome! I grew up in a Protestant church where you weren’t allowed anything but a piano. All other instruments were banned. Not even clapping was allowed. Dancing like David would have been the quickest way to get you kicked out. lol! I can see a place for a study like this: Don’t limit worship of God to signing. The first century followers of Yeshua wouldn’t have done that. They worshiped daily. That is, The faithful remnant worshiped daily. The temple was also open daily. Limiting worship to singing is not correct to suggest signing was not something they did? I’m not sure that can be argued or even considered as unbiblical. Traditions aren’t bad. Paul had traditions and passed down some traditions. The problem is when traditions nullify the commandments of God. There shouldn’t be a conflict. Is there a conflict when signing? Not necessarily. It’s only when some assemblies make a show of signing. The lyrics matter and are the musicians brining attention to themselves? Anyway, thanks for your comment. Agreed! 👍 Shalom!
@@petercampbell7962 I don't think he is dismissing. I think he is think deeply, holistically with the Biblical pattern developed throughout the Scriptures.
The Fraction of Bread rite already existed, despite the "Mass of ALL time is Roman" in the common sense, there were and ARE many rites that arent Roman neither uses latin, and I AM not talking about the "Novus Ordus Missas" that uses vernacular languages, but other rites outside latin. Particular churches such as Coptics, Assirean, Melquites, Malankara, Siriac-malabar, Greek, Ukranian, Russian, Bizantine (the Bizantine Empire doesnt exist anymore but its rite of fraction of Bread persists), oriental, etc. Even in communion with Catholic Roman Church, they dont use same rite, but own, when conducting the Fraction of Bread. I know some Catholics in the Roman community say that the latin Mass is the "Mass of apostles", i myself as Catholic cannot affirm, some of the liturgy of the latin Mass were added with time, with the language latin being consolidated with Popes gregorious at V century, i dont remember the century... Meanwhile, the apostles Thome went Índia and installed the fraction of Bread that become the malabar rite (later siriac-malabar), which those Catholic indians are proud to say its the Mass of apostles... And they never were at Domain of Roman Empire, didnt suffered persecution by Romana like many communities, but they suffered persecution by the pagans of the orient being Hindus and Bhudists. St. Thome died there as martyr, for the glory of Christ, making even more real the greek term "katholikus" that means universal, as Christ wanted to preach to the gentiles around world.
@@PETERJOHN101 My purpose is to help Christians develop edifying assemblies. I hope that my work will lead fewer and fewer people to be "disinclined to attend church." But as it is, church attendance is plummeting throughout most of the world.
@@PETERJOHN101If I was in Tom's position my purpose would be to discourage traditional church attendance that is set up in a traditional modern way, and I would be encouraging home gatherings. And if held in a building in the community, then it would be set up in such a way as to reflect exactly the experience of being in the home without any of the modern traditions of church "services". In other words the whole idea of "services" in my opinion should be thrown out the window. Instead, it should literally be a gathering of believers who enjoy each other's company and come together for fellowship and breaking of bread and drinking of wine in remembrance of Jesus
Excellent presentation. I have struggled with this for the better part of this year. I don’t think people realize just how big of a concern this truly is. Thank you for sharing.
It doesn't look like an apple, or smell like an apple, or taste like an apple. But we know it has to be an apple because it says its an apple on the label.
Great exposition! Gave me more confirmation that I shouldn't go back to the modern church system and get back to house churches. In fact, my first house church is my family, the ground roots of firmly founding the faith before we ever go out to reach out to others. I would really appreciate if I can get a copy of the slides.
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Thank you for making this video. After over 50 years of going to church through out my life (many denominations, presbyterians, baptists, and non-denominations, both big and small.), I came to the same conclusion after studying the Bible, and feeling uneasy with modern church. It felt like no one else understood me, but now I'm so happy that I'm not alone. Pastors have become priests, acting as intermediaries, like in the old testament, like when they need to bless the offerings and tithes like a sacrifice on the altar, wearing religious outfit. In the Bible, I believe that communion was having fellowship and sharing meals with fellow believers, not eating tiny piece of dried bread and drinking an ounce of grape juice as a ritual. I'm not anti-church. I am still a member of local presbyterian church and I try to serve. I just wanted true fellowship and meaningful worship, not some religious ceremonies week in and week out.
So where are you going instead? Do you have a faith community? Are you looking for one?
He mentioned in his last paragraph that he still goes to his local Presbyterian church
Oh brother, you may don't know us all, but you're not alone.
Fellowship should have the scriptures too. Edifying each other too.
You are not alone in arriving this conclusion.
Love this! My husband and I got fed up with the churches in our area. Started going to a house church. People would comment as though it wasn't legitimate "worship". So great to learn the true meaning of worship in the the Greek and Hebrew. Thanks for your hard work on this topic. The church desperately needs it!
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When i first became a Christian i read the bible cover to cover and came to the same conclusion. True worship is to help each other and serve each other and to tell the world about the gospel. Bless you for edifying us
Except that the Bible isn’t the only source of teaching. It says to follow a Church as well. The one Jesus founded. The Catholic Church is the only one that can trace her roots to Jesus and the Bible
@@crsw7041 not true the Greek orthodox was before Roman catholic. Now you prey to Mary or Isis you have satanic symbols like obelisk at the Vatican the rosemary beads cone from Buddhism the head gear worn by your priests is the head gear of dagon. No the Roman catholic Church is evil and satanic they even brought in heresy like Christmas and Easter. I could go on and on but you will deny it, but we Christians know better. Send me a reply and I'll expose more false teaching
@@crsw7041 problem is your church is the most satanic church of them all its not Christianity
@@crsw7041 th-cam.com/video/jdlczbO5Csc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FHowMDJCPokvJwD7
@@crsw7041 there is nothing Christian about your church
Sing Psalms and Hymns and Spiritual songs, one to another. Singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord. Ephesians 5 K here
Have you read the NT?
The NT quotes the psalms constantly.
One has a psalm,one has a prophetic utterance,one has a tongue ,another has the interpretation of that tongue etc ..
No, read it again, in context, the context is vital to understanding this.
48:29
I am so glad that your teaching is getting such wide exposure. What a blessing. My husband, who last year went to be with the Lord, taught the same things about fellowship for over 50 years. I know that having fellowship in this way enables brothers and sisters to grow and mature in their walks with the Lord as each one desires for the Lord to use them to build up their brethren.
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Thank you for sharing this work brother Wadsworth, this has been terrific in confirming what the Lord has been showing my wife & I (& many others I'm certain!) for over a decade now. Praise God his yoke is easy & his burden is light, & we are citizens in His new & glorious kingdom! I hope you made a LOT of proceeds off all the adds I had to watch even to get though just this one video!! Looking forward to the entire series. Please pray for us, that we find like minded Christ followers, children of The Way to assemble together with, for edification & to compel one another to love. He sustains us each day, His grace is sufficient.
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Wow! So glad to hear this! My wife and I had come to this truth by simply reading the Bible and being taught by the Holy Spirit. But where we couldn't quite put our finger on it, you provide the fitting puzzle pieces in this teaching. Really, so thankful that we believe we didn't watch your teaching by chance. Shalom!
Great insights.
I was saying the same thing back in my early days as a pastor in the 70s, as "worship" became a watchword. I thought the "rediscovery of worship" was an unhealthy development, so I preached an entire series entitled "The Reason for Our Gathering. I argued that worship is not a prominent New Testament theme and that the purpose of our gathering was not worship but edification.
I was a voice crying in the wilderness, and my tiny finger was not able to plug the leak in the dike of subjective emotionalism that began to flood the evangelical church. The tide of churches providing an exciting experience was irresistible, but the waters were not deep, and neither were those swept away by it.
Listening to this was refreshing, though it will change nothing. However, I have often thought that the most appropriate song to be sung in a modern "worship service would be B.J. Thomas' "I'm Hooked on a Feeling."
Mark, I believe that the primary reason for our gathering is Holy Communion where we commune and partake of the body and blood of Christ. "Grant us, therefore, gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of your dear Son Jesus Christ,
and to drink his blood, that our sinful bodies may be made clean by his body, and our souls washed through his most precious blood, and that we may evermore dwell in him, and he in us. Amen. "
@roddumlauf9241 Yes, in the Catholic Church and some Protestant churches similar to Catholic, such as Anglican, Episcopalian, who recognize sacramental Presence. They do not refer to reverent singing of hymns as "worship, " but to the participation in the Eucharistic liturgy.
Super-appreciate your commenting on your experience. Tom’s work here confirms my path and does ’change’ my future
Positively.
@@frsmoopus2864confirm what and change how?
@@markcarlton9103 hooga Shaka , hooga hooga hooga Shaka! Now put your hands in the air !
Too many churches call music “worship”and go off the chain with it .
There will be no wresting the meeting away from the music people since they are convinced they “lead worship”. I drew back a bloody stump for suggesting the volume be lowered.
I concur with all 3 statements you made. Don’t get me started…(!)
Don't be offended.
Amen, amen and AMEN.
My old church got so loud I couldn't bear it. When I said something to our pastor's wife, she said it was to reach out to the young people. I thought that's what reading the WORD was supposed to do.
@@samsmom400 exactly. Bingo . They let the world dictate the terms . Big mistake.
I just have to say “thank you” for this video. Just last week I was telling God that I felt I was weird because I just couldn’t see how “going to church” and doing the “usual” - singing together facing the front toward the pulpit/stage, listening someone give a talk and someone praying to “finish” the meeting - was worshiping God💁🏾
I appreciate this video💯👍🏾🇬🇧
Keep going, but start looking for small group gatherings that encourage interaction and growth.
Well one of the main reasons to go to church is to receive God's gifts to us ( absolution and Communion). This is how our sins are forgiven. We are also strengthened by hearing God's word and in gratitude we offer praise to God.
@@tomwadsworth I've been looking for small group gatherings for a very long time with no success.
@@run4cmt. Except that’s not what the NT says…
My thoughts too!!
A fresh breath on a moribund practice that entangled God's people from advancing in the maturity that was intended by the death and resurrection of the Father's only Son.
I like the way you make yourself small and the Word LARGE. A True teacher.
It's the only way to deal with the text ...
My sentiments
I was a pastoring a mission church for 24 years. But when I studied the NT carefully, I came to the conclusion that what I was doing was not right. During COVID we dismantled the 'church structure'. Now it's a house church and I no longer 'pastor'. The body of Christ is edified on a regular basis. But I assume the role of building the leadership of this church.
What you have said gives me the clear biblical handle to boldly pursue this idea of biblical church. Thank you!
I love what you said, but I would tweak it slightly. Instead of saying, "what I was doing was not right," I would say, "what I was doing produced and perpetuated several problems." I think we do well when we get the "right" or "wrong" ideas out of our heads. Let's focus on what is most consistent with the biblical evidence and what is most productive for edifying the body of Christ.
Good.
So what do you as a pastor do with Sunday mornings? Or did u eliminate the Sunday morning gatherings? As I’m thinking about more … what about children who come to Sunday school and do not receive teaching from the Word at home or teens? I’m fascinated by what this might look like. Our “worships services” have been so “normalized” it’s difficult to even imagine great changes. Note I am definitely on board with what I’m learning … it’s almost shocking to me as life long believer. 🇨🇦 ❤
@@yvonnekneeshaw2784 Hi Yvonne. Take a look at Video #7, in which I tried to give some practical suggestions: "Worship #7 What Do We Do Now?" th-cam.com/video/CGPSQVoZrMg/w-d-xo.html
I hope you find it helpful!
@@yvonnekneeshaw2784 I'm not a shepherd but if I was, I would build an assembly of Jesus where everyone had input with a song or some insight and after that, I would have a short reading from the words of Jesus. There shouldn't be any sermon, which many if not most people sit through but do not like. And I would call us "the assembly of Jesus" at whatever city I was in, because that is what Jesus called it. "Upon this rock I will build my assembly. . ."
Dude this changes everything. It confirms how our little home church has been led. we want to edify and serve our community. Thank you so much!
Your correct. We are told as disciples to go and make disciples of every nation. You can not make disciples of non-believers, and you can not bear each other's burdens in a large group like a church, to many people. We are not all told to evangelise in mass. That is a gift of some only. Even though we can all testify about Christ and give the gospel. We have strayed from what we all were told to do. We all need to edify (lift up )each other in the body. Jesus said the way is straight and the gate is narrow, and few are those who find it. Scary stuff.
@@johnisabeth2504 share the gospel is for everyone. Teaching is for the teachers and elders in the ecclesia. Random people didn’t go around teaching.
@HappyPenguin75034 yes we can all share the gospel to those we meet on a personal level. But sharing the Gospel to every nation tongue and tribe is a gift some have been given, e g missionaries and evangelists. It is they who take the gospel around the world. But it is discipleship that keeps Christianity on the narrow way. Lifting one another up, sharing our struggles and burdens with one another so you can grow and become more worthy and acceptable to God. Read what Paul teaches about gathering together. Accleasia. Does not mean a church. It means gathering or assembly. And again, Jesus said, "Go make disciples of all nations". To all disciples (believers). Christianity does not do that. And we have lost our way.
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I know the difference of the body and the gathering. The body gathers.
You have 7 days to life up the body and hopefully you do that. Then also in song, prayer, reading of scripture, discussion, sharing of life, breaking bread.
Yet God has made it clear a day is set aside for a ‘corporate worship’. If you want in a home or a field that’s fine. However you must still obey God as far as who teaches and being under elders and follow in obedience. We don’t get together and anyone who thinks they know the Word well enough to just teach. That’s the real problem today.
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I always believed that is how it is done Biblically.
Complements to you brother.
I had been in church "worshipping God" for many years until I was driven to an existential crisis. I lost faith in church and while I questioned many things about God and the Bible I was never led to doubt his existence or his benevolence.
It was not until 7 years in this state I think I had a truly supernatural experience that left me changed completely. I was born again.
It was here many truths began to appear uncalled.
One of the major things I noticed is the degree to which we take language for granted.
When a man has a heart changing experience such I had had he no longer can understand language nor use language the same way.
I noticed how amazingly simple the language of the early church was and that is an indication of how profound their understanding was. A clear and deep understanding relates its ideas with simple and concise language.
By this simple fact I got deeper convictions of the authenticity of scriptures. It's language is simple,direct and concise.
Look at how many voluminous books were written by so-called philosophers past and present. It would take the average man a lifetime to read.
Same!
@@Fredericko-k7p what are you saying about the topic at hand
Amen! Praise God. As it should be.
The new birth is being born of God, an event that can't be but supranatural. You've become a living stone in the church of God having a new heart, a divine nature implanted in you.
Let us worship God in spirit and in truth.
John 4:23-24 KJV
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
@@c848 You wrote, "The new birth is being born of God, an event that can't be but supranatural. You've become a living stone in the church of God having a new heart, a divine nature implanted in you."
Amen to that. A living stone in the church is immaterial, whether Jew or Gentile. This is the new creature in the new heaven and the new earth in the here and now. We may have to review more anachronic terms the church has misapplied literally.
I went to my old church last Sunday and left brokenhearted. The pastor talked more about politics than Jesus! 😢The Holy Spirit did move mightily at one point. I couldn’t stop praising and crying, only to find out I was the only one because rather than go with the flow of The Holy Spirit, they proceeded to introduce the guest speaker. He again talked about politics more than Jesus! I really didn’t even hear most of his speech, while they chose to cheer him on, I chose to stay in secret place with my sweet Jesus ❤
I believe that is true worship-keeping our focus on loving Him ❤
Good for you! Politics is not the gospel.
The disciples understood that (We, the Assembly) are the Temple of God!
He is Not disembodied!! We Are His Body!
Thank you for working so hard on this topic. The sad thing is very few will listen,and even fewer will change.
I fear that you're right. But I've been encouraged by a large number of favorable comments (like yours). And several good comments have come from seminary professors with PhDs and many pastoral leaders. But many of them have been people in missionary zones where they're not under the thumb of a denominational bureaucracy.
@@tomwadsworth Denominationalism is one of the biggest opsticals to growth in the church.
@@keithjackson28 I would argue it isn't necessarily the bureaucracy of denominationalism but instead, clericalism. It is the hyper-structuralism that accompanies how we 'do church' as an institution in general that stifles body life. The vast gulf created between so called clergy and laity imposes functionally heretical ecclesiology's.
@@EarsToHear23 Just one more part of a broken system. 👍🏻
I get it! Exodus 25:8 Let them make me a sanctuary (sacred place) that I may dwell among them. The structure is only for people to gather together (edification) that God might dwell in them, not dwell in the building. "No structures except the living structure of the body of Christ are necessary...This does not undermine the usefulness of a building or structure where it can be used for the gathering of people who are the church." P. 19,20 China Underground House Churches
Thank you Dr Wadsworth. At the risk of being repetitive, your presentation on this topic is -- for many of us accustomed to the institution of church -- absolutely groundbreaking. I've been passing around, to anyone who would listen, your previous series. This consolidation video is going to be a great 'all-in-one' resource. All glory to our sovereign Lord, who brought me to this channel!
"All glory to our 'Sovereign Lord' who brought me to this channel". This entire video had a great 'anti-religious/Pro-relationship with Jesus' vibe but you Calvinist make God sound like a robot master...
@@rtgray7 And you self-absorbed. self-righteous egotists make God sound like your personal robot. Sad.
Did the sovereign Lord gloriously lead the majority of churches to wrongly interpret worship? Does He ordain error among believers for His greatest glory?
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Did the sovereign Lord gloriously cause Pharaoh to have his heart hardened? Did He ordain Judas to betray the Son of Man for the purpose of the sinner's salvation? Did God preordain those who would be saved before the creation of the world, as per Ephesians chapter 1? Did the Lord predestine the snarky comments of those who consider the sovereignty of God an affront?
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If you first address my question , which was asked in sincerity, I will address yours.
Today I finished up the series of seven. Excellent job. I try to explain to folks the same way. Have tried for years. Now I'm assisting in teaching adults in assembly and I'm touching on these topics. Read study pray.
When we say the Reformation did not go nearly far enough... a presentation like this makes us contemplate how far we are from what God intended.
Some call it the Great Deformation of the Church!
Luther and the reformers did not set out to - or intend to - restore Biblical Christianity. They wanted to REFORM pristine Roman Catholicism. So we should not expect that Luther "got it right" or even got us pointed in the right direction. "Worship Services" are pagan practices. Wrapping them in a so-called "Christian" veneer does not improve them.
@@stevekerp1I've been saying that for years. The Reformation was nothing more than an attempt at 'steering' the whore of Babylon closer to Luther's view of what christianity should be. The first bible would have been written with or without Luther. The printing press was inevitable. I strongly believe that satan couldn't wait to start twisting the Word. Calvinists have used it to preach heresy ever since.
@@stevekerp1coming from the reformed baptist camp you are pretty much spot on. The Protestants essentially realigned and unfortunately repackaged another form of so-called Christianity. The ana-baptist or radical reformers actually saw the light of truth in most ( not all) of their expressions of what the Bible taught regarding a “ New Covenant Assembly “… the cathedrals and pastoral control,100% mimic the papal power and RC gatherings and call it ekklesia. Blessings
@@stevekerp1pagan practices??? That is a ridiculous statement brother
You make some great points. For many years my wife and I had a sense that things weren't as they should be re churches. Occasionally I'd vent to her that we arrive, shake hands, sing listen to a Greek-style orator, shake hands again and at best get into a very brief surface conversation or 2. Then that's it for another week. I found my devotion material and Bible reading far more edifying. Something is missing. I brushed off church sponsored sports and games nights. I was told that's "fellowship" that I'm missing. No, that's not fellowship, that's not edifying one another. What we came to realize is the entire modern church structure is fabricated from a business model from the 1800s. Nothing like the early church. For now we've found a small church group, and it's refreshing to find a few there we can actually discuss the Lord and our walk with Him at each gathering. Rather than discuss work and the latest shopping sales. Even take time to pray for a need or challenge. Back in the 90s, someone encouraged me to get my hands on the Whitfield Books(by Arnold Dallimore ) and other writings. I remember reading that early in Whitfield's era in England, church "societies" had been formed. Small church groups that met in meeting rooms. And when those believers crossed paths in the streets etc, it was common practice to greet one another with "do I find thee praying ?" Is there a need. There are no home churches in my area but I do see that as being the way to go. And getting back to the proper way to gather and edify.
I agree! I recently found a home church and it's so refreshing.
Praise the LORD for using to put this TRUTH together. Great tool to share for the baby believer as well as the continuous growing mature believer
Thank you Dr. Wadsworth. Eye opening presentation. It seems to me that we humans have a tendency to lean toward the heavier yoke of a more complicated existence in order to please God.
Our obedience to Jesus Christ & total surinder to his will is our worship.
Wow! I love this. Thank you. I've been needing this kind of assembly where each share scriptures & what God placed in our hearts to build up each other. It's so far fetch with how churches are ran today, but God will make a way🙏
Gee, it’s going to be difficult to fit 25 families in my house?
Thank you Tom for your very clear teaching and years of study. You will never know how this has been used to help us make decisions at this present time. Praise God for teachers like you!
Churches today could be called a 'One Man Show'. ( i said this a long time ago- I am German) The 'Worship service ' of today is very convenient to the carnal instinct / behavior of man. We do our thing and we are done and we continue like before. Spiritual growth is mostly measured in debating or just sitting and listening. There is at times no, very little, interaction with other believers, hopefully we meet some friends. ( A little sarcasm).
This is wonderful how Dr Tom has figured that out through his longtime studies, this is true biblical wisdom. Conclusion: We need to know each other, help each other, encourage each other, thinking and praying how to make disciples, building each other up and this is how we edify Christ. Like the world the church has become superficial. And the so-called 'Worship Music' is often so loud that I got onetime almost a panic attack. Many churches attract the young people with loud rock-style music. This is for sure not to be compared with making melody in our hearts and singing psalms. TKS so much Dr. Wadsworth! God bless.
Sing songs, pray and then study Scripture. That is what we do at my 'gathering' place or 'assembly' building I attend. We have 100-200 on a given Sunday. My Pastor reads directly from the Word. We are currently reading Nehemiah. We don't do 'sermons' we read Scripture and how it applies to today. I love it !
I stopped counting at 28 the number of churches I have attended over the decades, this current style is for me, shall I say - is the most edifying ? - Indeed !
Church of Christ?
This sounds kind like the churches of Christ
Sorry, you miss the many elements that make up an Apostolic meeting. Read Paul's letters
1 Cor 12, 13, 14
Right on brother!!! Thank you so much for clearly communicating this truth. I am convinced the “operating system” must be put to death and we must go back to the original “operating system” of simply assembling with the body for the purpose of forming Jesus here & now!!!
Yes, there were worship services during the time of the apostles. Early Christian worship was quite different from what we see today but had some foundational similarities.
Gathering and Fellowship: Early Christians often met in homes for worship and fellowship. These gatherings included prayer, singing hymns, and reading from the Scriptures.
Teaching and Preaching: The apostles and other leaders would teach and preach about Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. This was a central part of their gatherings.
The Lord’s Supper: Also known as Communion or the Eucharist, this was a significant part of early Christian worship. Only baptized believers participated in this part of the service.
Prayer: Prayer was a vital component, often led by different members of the community.
Baptism: New believers were baptized as a sign of their faith and inclusion in the Christian community.
These elements formed the core of early Christian worship, reflecting their devotion and communal life.
Exactly
If you payed attention you probably now know what proskenuo means, it is not what we call worship today. Therefore, no they didn't "worship" they ministered to one another. When they ministered to the Lord it was prayer and fasting and not "worship. "
Early Christians were killed for being Christians.. Ah they had to hide in peoples homes you know
Didn't David compose hymns that were used in temple worship? There are notes in Psalms to the 'worship leader'?
@belovedflorence4109 the converted jews and gentiles had their songs psalms melodies from their customs so your trying to say the early new testament church never sung anything never praised or worshiped in song together the Lord in homes in fields in festivals weddings in gatherings or when travelling enroute by foot?
Thank you Tom it is confirmation of the true Spirit of Christ
Keep up the great work!
You cannot talk too much about this subject.
Well done brother!
ecclesiology (philosophy of ministry), as a topic of discussion is 'off limit's' in nearly every organized religious institution I've ever experienced.
Well done! I appreciate the work you’ve done. I’ve been uncomfortable in the church settings these past few years, and recently in frustration, I said that church has become a performance by the staff and a spectator sport for the congregation. Even the small group gatherings are orchestrated to coincide with the weekly sermon. You have brilliantly questioned, investigated, and summarized what I felt was problematic. Thank you. Hopefully, we will strive to know why we do what we do, and possibly course correct when necessary to stay true to Scripture.
Thank you Dr Wadsworth for this presentation - it has really resonated with me and shown the real difference between religion and true Christianity - I' so glad I'm part of a small house group of about ten people, this has changed my whole outlook! God bless you!
What a powerful, fact-filled presentation! No bias, no finger-pointing, no blaming others, just pointing out simply and clearly what Paul, James, and the early church fathers described gatherings among Christians were meant to be. Very refreshing, Tom! Won't hear this kind of truth in the average sermon today. "[T]hose who have insight will understand." Daniel 12:10.
"Worship Machinery" has become a cult all it's own within Churches. In addition... Excessive time spent doing "Church Stuff" takes us out of where we need to be ... Building relationships with the lost.
Our earthly lives are seeping away , as is opportunities to be out there bringing more into the fold.
@@GlennAmbort did Paul give a biblical definition of a teacher (shepherd) and that the gathering is to be under biblical elder rule?
@@GlennAmbort or blind lead blind
@@HappyPenguin75034 I have no idea. I'm not a scholar in this area.
@@GlennAmbort you’ve read the Bible? Read Timothy and Titus a few times.
I'm 39 years old, and my entire life I thought the English word "worship" actually meant to "bow down and prostrate yourself before (God)" because of how I read the term from my English Bibles. I was recently kicked out of a small church after 5 years because I was trying to stress the importance of lifting each other up rather than abiding by the usual time-constrained worship service to sermon schedule. For a few years, the pastor was delighted by my observations and input until recently, where he's now battling depression. I think it's no coincidence that during this time he tried to pull the entire service back to a "traditional Western service"... and I can see it that he's battling something spiritual and not physical. Thank you for this video, Tom! I've always felt a sense of freedom from all these "traditions" because of the work of Christ but didn't know how to explain it intellectually as you have done here.
Let me encourage you a bit by implying that if one is truly focused on the Truth they will not need to spend many years to re-educate themselves on what is "True", but will simply be guided by the Truth Himself.
Your video is incredible!
When I first showed up in a college in 1970 one of the professors said something which I have never forgotten, "In this academic world there are two unforgivable sins: anachronism and plagiarism." And I early on learned that there were no 'churches' in the NT. There were small groups of believers who met in houses. And there were no denominations in the NT.
The first believers went to synagogue on the sabbath.
Not to gather like we think of ‘having church’ but to evangelize lost Jews with the gospel.
The synagogues were for Judaism that didn’t just magically stop bc Jesus commissioned them and ascended. In fact they were still being persecuted by the Jews of the synagogues. They gathered in Solomon’s portico/“porch” to preach the gospel. Again not to hold (our understanding of) a church service.
(your breaking first caution mentioned 😂)
weren’t gentiles not allowed in synagogues?
@@Lynn-r8h they went to the synagogue to preach the gospel (probably mainly to lost Jews still of the law) not to have a “church service” like your thinking.
@@-xyz-012 converts were.
We are the temple, amen brother Tom! You've really done your homework. I've been burdened over this topic for 25 years and have researched and written on the subject. In my humble opinion, after watching this and your 7 extended videos, this is the most comprehensive work on the subject to date. Please consider tweaking your dissertation into a short book for an average person to read easily. Additionally, we have been gathering together in this way for the last 5 years, and I'm even more convinced that it is a more faithful representation of biblical assembly. The main problem is that the concept is a huge paradigm shift. Even those who understand 1 Cor 14:26 have a difficult time going against current practices. Godspeed!
witthout PRAISE and WORSHIP you are MISSING out on one of the MAIN WEAPONS in our warfare against satan - read Psalm 149.
The use of HUMAN REASONING to understand spiritual Truth is CONDEMNED - Romans 8:5-9.
This violaion is the core of this video - all the "scholars" he refers to are THOSE WE ARE COMMANDED TO AVOID as they REJECT THE INFILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT that The LORD JESUS CALLED THE POWER - 2Timothy 3:5, Luke 24:49, Acts 1:8, manifested in Acts 2, read especially verses 36-39, 10:44-48, 19:1-6.
As the earth is being cleansed as in the days of Noah, the wicked are being removed from the earth.
If 'you' are the temple then do you meet outdoors???
I have been meeting in homes and open meetings with believers for 25 years… it is wonderful. Read my comment I just posted at the top of this comment section… blessings!
Prostration is still practiced in the east. I would say prostartaion is deeply rooted in the ancientt middle eastern/eastern culture. It is a sign of paying one's respect or showing devotion to someone. You can see this practice in Eastern orthodox churches like in the syrian orthodoxy, in india prostration is daily part of most christians here wether you are a evangelical/protestant/catholic or orthodox. We even remove our footwear before entering our churches. It's the 'eastern' mindset, a gesture to show reverence.
Exactly
Yeah, but when the presence of God is felt in a congregation, the people automatically prostrate or lift their hands, they never dance and sing.
That originated from the Jewish custom, I believe. Jesus and the early disciples did not introduce any specific form of "worship", so the first-century Jerusalem church, which was mainly Jews, continued to follow the Jewish customs. In fact, Jesus and his disciples were Jews, so they worshipped outwardly like how any Jew would do, and of course, inwardly, in Spirit and in truth. Things began to change when the Gospel reached the Gentile. That is why the apostle Paul did not emphasize too much on specific religious rituals and practices. People are free to worship in whatever forms they think best, as long they they worship the one true God, respect each other and keep meeting in proper order, in unity and in love. (1 Corinthians, Romans 14)
Profound reorientation of our thinking as Christians as to the purpose ( quorsum ) of our gathering together in the pattern of the early church. Wonderfully researched and presented. I predict that Tom Wadsworth's presentation here will be welcomed by believers seeking to live biblically, and resisted by those who must cling to traditions they scarcely understand.
Psalms 47:6-7 NKJV
[6] Sing praises to God, sing praises! Sing praises to our King, sing praises! [7] For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with understanding.
Excellent presentation, my brother. And it is definitely edifying. I have always tried to stress to the church that it's primary "duty" is for each member to love and care for one another according to Christ's command in John 13:34-35 By this all men will know we are His disciples. Let us look for daily opportunities to edify and encourage our brothers and sisters in the Lord.
It seems today worship refers to only music and bands and actually little real worship ever takes place
The early church did not have smoke/fog machines and theater lighting. How could they have worship?
You are not listening
The worship of the Jews had incense ( smoke) and the worship in heaven has bowls of incense. "Let my prayer be set before You as incense, The lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice." (Psalm 141:2)
And this was the early church's mistake. They should have invested all that money they were giving to the poor in smoke and fog machines! Haha
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@@realityTV77 Clearly the original post's sarcasm went over your head
Edification instead of worship, big difference ❤
Thanks for noticing!
Thank you for this. I'm no scholar, I've never been to college, and spent 35 years not believing in God. I never considered myself an atheist, because I never believed that everything could just magically appear, everything is what the universe is. And from a very young age that evolution in the Big Bang are theories, nothing more. And seeing non-believers except a theory as a fact puzzles me to this day. I stopped going to church because I didn't believe what preachers were telling me. And I thought that meant that's what their God was telling me. Reading various different books books on various different Pagan religions I found many similarities between all of them. I'm not perfect, but I do my best to live my life by the scientific method. Fascinating to me how modern day Christianity seems to cherry pick a very subtly from Pagan ideology. When I discovered that God was real, the first thing I did was prostrate myself and pray for forgiveness. I was worried that I was doing something that the Pagan world was doing. So I began reading everything I can get my hands on and I still do, on how the early Christians obeyed the teachings of Jesus Christ. When I looked at the Greek word for prostrate, I felt like I was on the right track. However, my lack of formal education created a great sense of doubt Within me. You've given me further reassurance, and for that I thank you. God bless the work you do.
Very good information and clarification of what Christian gatherings should be.
TRUTH doesn't make money.Thanks for speaking the truth.
The American church is largely big business. I support healthy business but not convinced priorities are in order.
@@jeffwright5695 Bible does and did you see appointment elders and some are called as teachers? It’s not self appointed.
@@jeffwright5695 God allowed money and work. He created work before toil. Today the economy requires money to travel, to eat, to live. Bible speaks of money and it’s not always negative. Paul accepted money even if not for himself. Jesus met in the homes of very rich. Is their idols of money and property of course. Repent and believe the gospel.
Thank you so, so much for putting your material on this subject into one video. I'm going to share with everyone I can!
A worship service is the gathering together of two or more believers to sing hymns, pray and care for each other, discuss biblical passages and share communion at regular intervals.
Excellent Tom! God bless.
This is very interesting...I have been in church for over 40 years, pastoral ministry over 20 years, and this has been very eye opening. I grew up in the 80s and remember that the "services" were focused on preaching the word but there was also a push to have a "moving song service" to prepare our hearts for "worship". This was very good.
Thanks for your comments! You might also appreciate "Worship #4 Why They Didn't Preach Sermons in the Early Church" at th-cam.com/video/hV8H2fx2Y6U/w-d-xo.html
or "Worship #5 Worship Wars and the Role of Music" at th-cam.com/video/yonZAzeOrKw/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for sharing your research. Our experience confirms small weekly fellowship meetings in private homes is essential to “the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.” 1 Tim 3:15 And it works in every country…
To clarify ... I wouldn't describe home meetings as "correct" ... as if meeting anywhere else is "incorrect". (I assume that you agree.)
But I would describe home meetings as "conducive" to meetings that edify one another and build relationships in the body of Christ. We should acknowledge that there's much more to an edifying meeting than just meeting in a home.
WOW!! Excellent video!❤
American christianity is commercialized and everyone is a celebrity..very sad!
Seems a gathering/assembly should be centered around the bread and the cup and thanksgiving to our true teacher..a grateful heart is a humble heart! Keeping our eye on the prize=the love of Jesus Christ!
I looked it up.
90% of Christians in the United States do not attend a megachurch.
Most of us still go to oldei style churches. My church doesn't have screens or a band.
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Nice!!! Old timey churches ❤️
Thank you for your hard work in researching and pulling all this together brother Tom! One can certainly feel alone and wrong noticing these aberrations and not finding others of like mind. Now I'm going to read through the comment section to see who didn't watch the video or regardless want to cling to their tradition and feelings that are incongruous with what scripture tells us. You are with prayers of blessing and thanksgiving.
We “discovered” 1st Corinthians 14:26 about 32 years ago and we have been doing “home church” ever since. We still have been attending traditional churches off and on but our hearts are really in the home church… I could go on and on about things that we have experienced but the bottom line is that when we do things Gods way is when we experience Gods blessing 🙌
By the way, I appreciate your reply, your honesty, and your intellectual consistency. Thank you.
I thank the Lord Tom that you have had that revelation. God does not worship in grand buildings. We worship in spirit and in truth
Phenomenal presentation bro!!! Wow 🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾
Very illuminating lecture on "Worship Anomaly." My first time to hear this theological catch phrase.
That was pleasantly mind blowing - and yet very intuitive.
The Didache (early first century CE) includes two Eucharistic prayers used for workship.
CE? It’s AD. CE was made up to deny Christ
I appreciate your clarity around this matter. I have often been confused about the word worship and how believers use this word. This is helpful.
So dry, so cerebral, so unspiritual: 1 Co. 14:26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn,... 1 Co. 14:15 I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. Eph. 5:19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, Heb. 13:Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. You don't need to know greek to find these. Also, heaven is filled with continuous praise and worship ALL THE TIME, and Jesus' prayer states: Thy will be done here on earth as it is in heaven.
I like this one better. Matthew 6:5
"Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues[a] and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward! 6 But whenever you pray, go into your inner room,[b] close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you"
Basically, keep it to yourself and stop disturbing others with it.
@@arbitrarysequence
That passage is telling you not to be a hypocrite motivated by a need for attention, not to be without a voice in the the Church. You don't get to cherry pick verses.
@@arbitrarysequencethere is a difference between worship of God like in heaven and praying to God as in intercession..you got it mixed up ...
Thank you for this...the same verses popped up into my mind. Even after the first communion Jesus sang a hymn!
This might be off-topic. The word worship is a misnomer. For Catholics, worship is sacred and sacramental. Not music. When the Charismatic Renewal was introduced to the Catholic community, the typical format was adapted from Evangelical Charismatic church groups from where the charismatic renewal was first introduced to Anglicans first (Fr. Richard Bennett) and later Catholic Fr. Michael Scanlan. The format was balanced and included praise, teaching, contemporary music, tongues, Bible sharing, witness, prayer for healing. It was all new to us. We borrowed the Protestant format.
For a Catholic, the Mass or divine liturgy, presided over by a priest and includes Communion, is what is meant by worship.
It was not until I attended Vineyard type prayer meetings some years later that I experienced extended periods of contemporary music that included solo singing, casual instruments, did I realize for Protestant charismatics referred to music and singing as "worship." It was an odd use for a term and overly casual, unpredictable, excessive in length and focus on "celebrity" performers, was intended as "worship." It was a misnomer. It's music, and excessive, a concert, entertainment. Often, a lazy substitute for quality teaching pr preaching.
Really enjoyed your video. Thanks. One reason so many young people may be leaving the church outside of not grounding them in their faith with apologetics is that they are not being edified. Just think if they didn’t have to sit in that boring worship service and were actually receiving edification. It would change their outlook on meeting and spending time with other Christians. It would change all of our view of our gatherings. Thank you!
I believe God has brought me here to confirm what he has been speaking to my heart for over a decade yet I am HARD PRESSED to find a home gathering. Even.
When I attend my local church service and inquired about a home group. I was told that they were completely full.😢
"Completely full"??? Ugh.
It is not in the organized church institution's best interest to promote independent study and fellowship outside of the venue and services that they themselves provide.
My goodness! If the home group is full, it sounds like it's time to start a second one! I can understand that a home is only large enough to handle a certain number of people, but there are other homes.
@@jdwagman I started attending a new small church, slim pickings here, and they don't have ANYTHING. The pastor even leads the Bible study from the pulpit. I get dressed up to sit in a pew and then come home. There's no socializing. I've just quit going. I need some friends. I asked a member if there's a women's Bible study and he told her if she wanted to start one, go ahead. He just spent 6 weeks on sermons about how one should dress for church.
@@samsmom400
Yes me too. I want brothers and sister with the same faith so that we can have a mutual exchange of encouragement, help, and wholesome fellowship and sharing of whatever the Lord has revealed to us. No preachers or teachers, but just fellow students of Christ. Yet after all these years I still feel like Elijah hiding alone in a cave and being fed by crows. So I take what is offered and I am grateful for what I do have. Which is the opportunity to be alone with and learn from my Lord. Because the truth is I still haven't found anyone who really believes in the bible anymore - only those (wolves) who use the bible to support their heretical ideas and false beliefs handed down to them from the traditions of men.
I found this presentation valuable. Glad I watched.
I'm certain the first Christians met to have--celebrate--the Lord's Supper. Anything else was optional. Today, we think we have to get the singing and Communion over with to get to the heart of the "service," the sermon. We have small groups in our congregation, but many (if not the majority) regard these as unnecessary.
When I find the word "worship" in the Bible, it always refers to a one-on-one worship, as in "then he bowed his head and worshipped". Spontaneously and without needing other people around. What do you think?
Generally, that's true. But not always. There are a few cases of multiple people performing "proskuneo worship" (prostrating) such as 1 Chron 29:20 or "latreia worship" (sacrificing) Ex 3:12-18.
Acts 2:46 " And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread....." Heb 10:25 " neglecting not to meet together"
not to leave out the Honda vehicle joke
",,, gathered together in one Accord" Acts 2:1
God built His church(Ecclesia)
,,,,, do not forsake assembling together Hebrews 10:25
@@frtillmanYT If you do research on the English word Church you will find the Greek Ekklesia = Assemble of called out separated one's and the Roman go to Church once a week on Sunday Church are two totally different things. Are you aware we get the English word Circus and Circle from Church which come from the word Circe. Find out who Circe is and you will be on the strait and narrow Road to the Truth of the Matter. Grace Faith Hope and Charity to you AMEN
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@@Slit-dl6gl Could it be the Church Mass stands for Massacre and putting to death over and over again the Body of Jesus? Hebrews 10: 24-27 . Christ the Anointed Savior Died Once for all times. Read Romans 6:1-14 If you desire to know true Communion and its daily power process with your Creator in communal Common Unity daily in the secret place of the most high. Stop playing Church and Be Gods Temple of Prayer and Sacrifice Every Day in Every Way. Acts 2:46 is talking about each called out Saint and the New Spiritual Temple of the Spirit of Holiness. It has nothing to do with Church insanity Christianity. Christ Jesus In his holy Temple of each and every Called out Sanctified Disciplined One Walking continually in Grace Faith. Godly Character In You the Mystery and Hope of Divine Glory.
thank you for re releasing
Great teaching, definitely something to consider
This teaching is helpful! I have went to church most of my life without really understanding the actual purpose for NT believers!
Context is meaning. Because of persecution the church could not meet as we do. Search the Old Testament and see how congregational gathering enriched the worship experience.
I have been thinking this for years based on scripture. Thank you for this teaching
certainly, all kinds of gatherings large and small, could potentially be worship gatherings honorable to God. Worship "in spirit and truth" is the key. Ive been part of large groups singing and praying to God, expressing anything from repentance to gratitude to rejoicing. Some people dont care for modern worship songs--im one of them. But yet i have witnessed undeniably true worship going on in unlikely ways and places. God knows who the true worshippers are--and im hesitant to make a total judgment on a church gathering style.
The problem is in the words we use, worship is not singing and dancing and music.
A very timely and encouraging message. We are all One Body in Jesus Christ our Lord. We His people are the church not a building and we need each other more than ever; we need to have people who we can meet with, for encouragement, help, assistance, prayer and edification.
I’ve learned this late in life. I grew up in a missionary Baptist church and joined a SBC church as an adult. I played in praise bands and the church orchestra.
A few years back, I moved to a Primitive Baptist church. We sing hymns a cappella, pray, and hear preaching from our elder. Two Sundays a month, we bring food for a meal.
That sounds amazing ❤
Sounds very appealing. I no longer go to a "church". Mainly because I live in the middle of nowhere in Cambodia. But if I was in the west, I still wouldn't go near one. Sticking my hands in the air and swaying, with tears rolling down my cheeks as the mood music and light show does what it's designed to do, sounds absolutely ghastly to me. A good dolop of preaching and a shared meal is what it's all about.
Do they teach you that AS THE LORD JESUS IS so are we on this earth -1John 4:17
That we are TOTALLY ONE WITH The LORD JESUS as Joint Heirs in Christ - Hebrews 2:11, Romans 8:7
If not you are like the person who had a ticket for the best food on the cruise but believed he had to eat dry bread and drink water while remaining locked up in his cabin for the duration of the cruise!
@@ktermalkut8332can you elaborate?
@@loavesandfish Think of these sentences in the comment of the OP
"I moved to a Primitive Baptist church. We sing hymns a cappella, pray, and hear preaching from our elder. Two Sundays a month, we bring food for a meal."
Churches have become like social clubs where individuals choose a place they are comfortable with, which though laced with seeming humility, is in truth their egoistic choosing.
The LORD JESUS came to bring us into a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD GOD in REAL TIME where we MANIFEST HIS Victory and HIS complete defeat of the enemy/satan/shatan for us. We are GIVEN HIS AUTHORITY on this earth to be as HE IS - 1John 4:17, Hebrews 2:11. To RESIST the devil who will flee from us - James 4, to destroy the works of the devil who is WIRED to KILL STEAL DESTROY - John 10:10.
In a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD JESUS 24/7 we will be alerted to strategies and plans of the enemy so that we can BRING THEM DOWN and protect ourselves and others.
We have to choose to know The LORD GOD as Our Only TEACHER and FATHER - Matthew 23:8-10, while being alert to the corruption of RELIGION and control of the masses by the enemy through agents who operate on the ignorance of people.
I don't see the "take the fight to the enemy" in The NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST approach in the words of the OP who seems to glory in moving to a "Primitive Baptist church where they sang hymns a cappella, prayed, and heard preaching from a elder on 2 Sundays a month where they bring food for a meal."
The enemy is wired to KILL STEAL DESTROY and I am sure the OP will regard such enemy activity as "normal" and very likely could blame GOD for it NOT RECOGNIZING the work of the enemy in those situations, being IGNORANT of THE VICTORY of The LORD JESUS where WE DO NOT HAVE TO SUFFER OR BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF A DEFEATED ENEMY!
The LORD GOD Who is HIS INSPIRED WORD spoken to us when we read or hear the text (not engaging in human reasoning of the text which is condemned - Romans 8:5-9), tells us that HIS PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED by their IGNORANCE - Hosea 4:6
Some "good" christians will claim it is being imposed as a lesson for humility, not realizing that the roman catholic outfit has corrupted certain parts of the new testament. In a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD GOD as HE teaches us, HE will show us where the scriptures have been corrupted.
Having spent years in prayer groups, I'd take that over other forms of church services/meetings any day of the week. There is nothing more wonderful than to share in being with Jesus than that environment learning to discern & experience His presence & voice, and to receive and exercise the gifts we've been given as the outflow of that fellowship in serving/edifying one another.
All you have to do is read the book of Acts and see that something is wrong with our church today
If the church started at Pentecost why aren't preachers preaching Peter's sermon in Acts 2 ?
@@tims.449excellent point
EXACTLY!!!!😅@@tims.449
@@tims.449sometimes they do
@@tims.449the reason could logically be that Peter was preaching to Jews.
Thank you for your dedication to the word, the truth, and the body of Christ. Excellent work. My mind is blown.
Many questions for me were answered. I have always felt something was off. I have wondered through various faith traditions trying to figure out “ The Way” I have been too picky and too open in my search. When I heard the “ 45 years of study” I figured I ought to at least give 5 mins of listening. I finished the 2 part this morning. A few times I have to go back and give a section a second listen. The Lord speaks with clarity to me through this series. I am grateful for your years of study, your ability to speak clearly and the sense of abundance in your sharing. I wake up with the intention of listening again. Thank you.
Thanks for listening ... and especially for listening closely. Many people are criticizing without doing either.
This is an intriguing topic that has been on my mind for some time. When examining contemporary evangelical/charismatic worship services, I question whether God truly appreciates the constant praise and the use of contemporary music styles. Does the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob find pleasure in such self-centered adoration? God is love, and love in its purest form is not egotistical or self-centered. God's love is communal and primarily expressed horizontally. As an African, I am well-acquainted with individuals who worship dark forces, and one of the defining characteristics of these forces is their relentless demand for worship and honor. In contrast, what is revealed in Christ our Lord is a distinct type of love-a love for God expressed through love for our neighbors (horizontally).
The early Church didn't have Bibles either but were led by the Holy Spirit as Jesus instructed in John 16:13.
No they had it, it was called Torah, in parchments. All their teachings were from Torah, the old testament books. Read the book of Acts you will see. All the letters of Paul were the revelations of the Old testament books. Even Jesus taught from that, Luke 24:25-27, 44. Holy Spirit is illuminating what is written.
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So they didn't have Bibles, not so?
@@belovedflorence4109 wrong. the fact is, in the first century there's no such thing as believers carrying Bibles to a meeting. there was no printing machine and Scriptures were produced through handwriting, which was time consuming and laborous work, which made it expensive. for those who couldn't afford to own the Scripture, they can only access the Scriptures in the synagogue. don't forget the fact that the majority of the population in the Mediterranean were illiterate at that time.
Just finished session # 2 and really quite blown away. I have difficulties imagining what our church should or could look like instead. Where edifying one another is the key focus. In our church we spend 8 minutes or so praying for bullet points up at the front. The focus is mostly for our community & missions. We r encouraged to pray with those around us but few turn around to pray with others because we are seemingly too shy or it’s too personal. As I reflect on my worship singing in church it’s mostly about gratitude and praising Him for all He has done for me. Our Triune God deserves our praise has been a huge theme. Does he not want/need our praise? Or should that be done more in private? Perhaps the rest of the series will help me. Thinking home churches or in our case “life groups” is ideal in edifying one another and yet what about teens ministry or kids ministry … I think our teens/kids do small group stuff on a Sunday morning or weekday so thats wonderful. 🇨🇦 ❤
There's nothing wrong with praising God, whether it's done alone or in a group (Acts 4:24ff; Eph 5:19; Col 3:16; 1 Cor 14:15, 26; Jas 5:13; Heb 13:15).
At the same time, let's remember that God doesn't need anything (Acts 17:24-25).
Our modern "worship culture," especially in the last 25 years, has gone way overboard in pursuing a "worship mission" that (1) is not substantiated in Scripture and that (2) drowns out the biblical mandate to be edifying one another (1 Cor 14:25). My research was an attempt to (1) remove any preconceived notions of what the Christian assembly was all about, (2) study the text of the NT with an open mind, and (3) capture a biblical perspective of the assembly. If you do that, the word 'worship' won't even enter the discussion. The other videos in the series should help you.
I thought I might be going mad in my thinking about worship but, even if I am, I now know I'm not alone.
Thank you for first undertaking all those years of work and now sharing your findings so clearly.
I wonder, if we'd kept the focus on building up each other up, and not on the pulpit or piano, would we have had all the scandals that are now coming to light?
I like your thoughts and the 'p' words. Perhaps I could expand your thoughts to say, "We need to focus on the progress of the people, not on the performance of the pulpit or piano."😁
@@tomwadsworth
How do you define _progress?_
@@PETERJOHN101 Good question. The real issue is, How does the Bible define progress? Without going into great detail, Heb 5:12 says, "By this time you ought to be teachers."
So, one aspect of progress for many Christians would be their gradual development as a teacher of God's word. Unfortunately, few churches provide a training ground for its members to develop such a skill.
Not everyone will be gifted to speak, but everyone should be making progress in the fruits of the Spirit, such as "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" (Gal 5:22-23).
For more info, I recommend two of my videos:
Worship #4: Why They Didn't Preach Sermons in the Early Church (th-cam.com/video/hV8H2fx2Y6U/w-d-xo.html) and Worship #7: What Do We Do Now? (th-cam.com/video/CGPSQVoZrMg/w-d-xo.html).
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A teaching role is only given to _some,_ according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 12, so this cannot be the test of progress for all believers. Are you perhaps projecting from your own experience? I would suggest that progress is hearing the witness of the Holy Spirit within as a reminder that "we have no need for any man to teach us." (1 John 2:27)
@@PETERJOHN101 Yes, the teaching role was only given to some. Nonetheless, the writer of Hebrews still says, "By this time you ought to be teachers." I also added, "Not everyone will be gifted to speak."
Love your teaching but I truly loved what you said at the end. You might not be correct in every little thing but figure it out for yourself. This is a huge problem today. Most don’t try to figure anything out. They are comfortable going to church and just listening to someone feed them anything. I wish the service could be just a long Sunday school class where there could be a conversation back and forth. Most pastors will never say that they don’t have the complete understanding of a topic.
Great comments! "Figure it out for yourself!"
I’m only 8 minutes in but I have a feeling I am going to be let off the hook for always feeling guilty that I want to arrive to service after the music is over.
I humbly recommend attending Mass at a vibrant Catholic parish and just observe some Sunday morning. Observe liturgical worship with an open mind. Peace and blessings to you.
Yes 👍
@@Fraevo10exactly
You're not alone friend. I've attended church my whole life was raised Pentecostal very charismatic and I didn't mind two or three songs but when they sang on and on and on and on it drove me nuts because I just wanted to get to the word. the last church I attended for decades. I literally used to wait about 30 minutes before I went in that way they were starting to finish up and my pastor said one time to me half jokingly that I was always late and I said no sir I'm not I'm right on time. I didn't feel the need to express my distaste for all the music and singing that to me was not my place so I just adapted to what I felt worked for me.
A big reason I didn’t last long at a church recently.
What an ardent presentation that doesnt mean much
The earliest Christians were Jewish. They still went to the temple in Jerusalem and if allowed went to local synagogues, while also going to the Messianic (Christian) gatherings on the first day of the week.
Adaptations occurred over time in mixed Jewish-Gentile congregations. The model was still the synagogue where scripture commentary, prayer, and psalms were carried out (and also the common table sharing of the Eucharist).
Of course, the growth of numbers led to the creation of separate buildings and more structured services. Adaptation to new circumstances and way to carry forward the gospel are not necessarily wrong.
Exactly. The levites were in charge of the signing in the temple and as the people approached the temple they would sign popular songs. I used to work the fields as a migrant worker in the 70’s and the people would break out in singing from morning to quit time. We didn’t call it worship. Most popular secular songs were sung. That’s how I imagine pilgrims sang on their way up to the temple. Signing was part of their experience and even at weddings and such. Calling the signing part “worship” or limiting “worship” to the singing part was probably not something they did. It was however part of their whole experience- on the journey there and once at the temple for the feast, etc. Now of course they didn’t have electricity to play instruments into loud speakers 🔊 but who is to say they’d have a problem with being plugged in. Some modern day “worship” (singing) seems self oriented- like a show!
The song of Moses, the psalms, and singing in the kingdom, holy, holy, holy. Imagine all these believers signing? That would sound pretty awesome!
I grew up in a Protestant church where you weren’t allowed anything but a piano. All other instruments were banned. Not even clapping was allowed. Dancing like David would have been the quickest way to get you kicked out. lol!
I can see a place for a study like this: Don’t limit worship of God to signing. The first century followers of Yeshua wouldn’t have done that. They worshiped daily. That is, The faithful remnant worshiped daily. The temple was also open daily. Limiting worship to singing is not correct to suggest signing was not something they did? I’m not sure that can be argued or even considered as unbiblical. Traditions aren’t bad. Paul had traditions and passed down some traditions. The problem is when traditions nullify the commandments of God. There shouldn’t be a conflict. Is there a conflict when signing? Not necessarily. It’s only when some assemblies make a show of signing. The lyrics matter and are the musicians brining attention to themselves?
Anyway, thanks for your comment. Agreed! 👍
Shalom!
Dear Steven... please think deeply before dismissing what you have heard.
Your brother
Peter
Nay
@@petercampbell7962 I don't think he is dismissing. I think he is think deeply, holistically with the Biblical pattern developed throughout the Scriptures.
@@jjmonty8090 .. You are correct. I did assume this.
Thank you for pointing this out to me.
Wishing you a wonderful day.
Peter
This presentation has in a way shed a new light to me on worship service. Worth listening.
The Fraction of Bread rite already existed, despite the "Mass of ALL time is Roman" in the common sense, there were and ARE many rites that arent Roman neither uses latin, and I AM not talking about the "Novus Ordus Missas" that uses vernacular languages, but other rites outside latin.
Particular churches such as Coptics, Assirean, Melquites, Malankara, Siriac-malabar, Greek, Ukranian, Russian, Bizantine (the Bizantine Empire doesnt exist anymore but its rite of fraction of Bread persists), oriental, etc.
Even in communion with Catholic Roman Church, they dont use same rite, but own, when conducting the Fraction of Bread. I know some Catholics in the Roman community say that the latin Mass is the "Mass of apostles", i myself as Catholic cannot affirm, some of the liturgy of the latin Mass were added with time, with the language latin being consolidated with Popes gregorious at V century, i dont remember the century... Meanwhile, the apostles Thome went Índia and installed the fraction of Bread that become the malabar rite (later siriac-malabar), which those Catholic indians are proud to say its the Mass of apostles... And they never were at Domain of Roman Empire, didnt suffered persecution by Romana like many communities, but they suffered persecution by the pagans of the orient being Hindus and Bhudists. St. Thome died there as martyr, for the glory of Christ, making even more real the greek term "katholikus" that means universal, as Christ wanted to preach to the gentiles around world.
❤❤ I fougth many times as a pastor and historian with many Christians and they are blind to facts!!!!!. Beatiful study....from Argentina.
This explains why I am disinclined to attend Church Service.
I understand your disinclination.
@@tomwadsworth
Is that, in fact, your purpose?
@@PETERJOHN101 My purpose is to help Christians develop edifying assemblies. I hope that my work will lead fewer and fewer people to be "disinclined to attend church." But as it is, church attendance is plummeting throughout most of the world.
@@PETERJOHN101If I was in Tom's position my purpose would be to discourage traditional church attendance that is set up in a traditional modern way, and I would be encouraging home gatherings. And if held in a building in the community, then it would be set up in such a way as to reflect exactly the experience of being in the home without any of the modern traditions of church "services".
In other words the whole idea of "services" in my opinion should be thrown out the window. Instead, it should literally be a gathering of believers who enjoy each other's company and come together for fellowship and breaking of bread and drinking of wine in remembrance of Jesus
@@PETERJOHN101 Why isn't your purpose to know God's word? Your purpose is worldly.
Excellent presentation. I have struggled with this for the better part of this year. I don’t think people realize just how big of a concern this truly is. Thank you for sharing.
It doesn't look like an apple, or smell like an apple, or taste like an apple. But we know it has to be an apple because it says its an apple on the label.
Great exposition! Gave me more confirmation that I shouldn't go back to the modern church system and get back to house churches. In fact, my first house church is my family, the ground roots of firmly founding the faith before we ever go out to reach out to others.
I would really appreciate if I can get a copy of the slides.
Send me an email with your assurance that you acknowledge the copyright. You can find my email at my website at tomwadsworth.com.
@@tomwadsworth Hi Tom. This is acknowledged. Thank you!