130wpm Gregg Shorthand Dictation - Introduction to Gregg
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- This is a short (2 minute) dictation of the introductory paragraph of the shorthand website "gregg.angelfishy.net". It talks a little bit about the history of the Gregg writing system-- the one that I am using in this dictation.
Writing at this speed for me is pushing my abilities, and you can see later in the dictation it takes its toll and I make several errors.
So this is what Doctors use?
+Inuki TV no, docs just happen to have really bad handwriting
+Gooby26 pretty sure that was a joke
Lol what is Inuki TV doing here
Wait, for real???? I always wondered why their handwriting looked like that
@@Gooby26 Doctors do that on purpose. Forces a REAL pharmacist to call the doctor's office and verbally confirm that a prescription has in fact been written, by a REAL doctor, for a REAL patient.
I was a legal secretary in the 70s. Studied shorthand for 2 years and always worked on improving the skill. Now no one has even heard of Gregg Shorthand.
I majored in stenography in high school back in early 60's. I was executive secy up until 1980 when I went back to school - became a pharmacist. But my shorthand skills was not wasted: used it in class and needless to say I was the most popular student because my notes were word for word which was good because pharmacy school was not easy.
Probably helpful in deciphering doctors' handwriting, too! LOL
Good to know
I always had terrible handwriting due to being a lefty and my mind going faster than my hand. To defeat this I developed my own system of shorthand, when I discovered actual shorthand I realised how ineffective, clunky, and silly most variants were and continued to use my own version up until it was acceptable to bring laptops to class.
I wouldn't have finished law school without a laptop, my WPM on a keyboard is a sustained 120+ which is perfect for word for word copying of lectures. I'd often just zone out on autopilot and just type the lecture notes entirely and re-read them when I got home if I was too tired to really focus or throw them into a text to speech program.
Now kids can just record their lectures, back then you'd get your ass beat if you tried to do that. Idk why, but they were weird about it. Sometimes I'd just low key record it anyway and pretend I wasn't. >_>
I can still take notes in it, and it's been over fifty years since I was in high school!
When I was a kid, this is what I imagined normal handwriting looked like. I regret not taking this in highschool.
You can still take it
There are resources online
Im starting it now
We'll see how it goes
There isnt that much to learn, symbol wise, because the symbols for the letters are few in number and look simple, so the challenge is in practising writing words
Muscule memory will do its thing
I know a lot of people who think they cant learn stuff like this once they get older
But in general thats a myth, and there are many examples of people learning languages and systems later in life, it all depends on the method
Idk if you are one of the people who get discouraged because of that
It could be the case that you dont have much time too, bussiness as usual in capitalism
Personally i never even heard of this in scool since im not from the US or whare ever else they were teaching this, and its a damn shame
This would have been so useful i imagine to most students because as we all know, most students dont like to write all day at school, and frankly its not healthy for the wrist to write as much as we needed to in school to begin with
Im imagining just how many students would probably stop slacking off on homework if this was an axceptable form of writing
Instead of writing an essay in 2 hours, they could write it in one ( assuming they have ideas)
But never the less, something beeing less difficult in some way makes it less intimidating to do, especially for students who dont learn much, something like this could be at the very least a slight improvement
Then knowing it for life, someone could write a book more easly
Since they could write almost as fast as they can think
Personally i think its well worth to have this skill in adulthood, since as we age, it becaomes more and more cenessary to develope our own philosophy in life, and writing makes that process alot better since we can visually see if we have any contridictions in our thinking
Not to say that this isnt possible with regular writing ( infact, ill contridict myself and say, peehapse its easier to spot logical contridictions in thinking if the text is written regularly, since shorthand does reduce readabuility to some extent, but no one said we have to only one one system)
Anyway
Have a good day
@@MalkuthEmperor I know this unrelated, but I like the way you typed that comment, leaving spaces between paragraphs but not including the full stops
Wow, you write faster than me. I had been using Gregg Shorthand for some years. Advantageously, not many people can read my private notes. I would hate if anyone reads my stuff like a diary.
Beautiful work. I am re-learning Gregg. I’m an exec assistant, so it is something to use in meeting note taking. I am doing it with a modern twist...using an iPad Pro and Apple Pencil.
A tablet with an OCR program that translated stenography directly into longhand would be the neatest thing imaginable.
(I'm using the Swedish Melin system myself.)
@slconstable how's the shorthand study coming? I need an exec assistant, would love to have someone that uses Gregg...very hard to find these days. Let me know if you need a job
Fun! I'm surprised I haven't seen this yet. Neat to see my own words being dictated. :-D
Thank you for the website!
My mom was taking notes like this yesterday. I was like what the hell are you writing mom? lol she said shorthand. I had to look this up!! I thought it was alien language. I'm a 90's baby, she's a 60's baby fyi
My mother was born in the 20s, and knew Gregg well enough to take dictation from my Dad or his Dictaphone tapes. Then she would transcribe them into longhand, and then type them up, storing them on the IBM Mag-Cards. My dad would then trick out the card page into a code form, and use it as a form letter for briefs. I would Xerox and collate for him.
One of my dad's friends was a court reporter, who took everything down in Pitman. Later, when he retired, they replaced him with someone who took steno on a steno machine.
Shorthand is useful, practical, and should still be part of a good curriculum. But that's just me.
My grandma was a secretary (and still is) and she is amazing at it because of how long she’s known it (~50 years) and I’m always in awe of how she can read/write it
This is all incredible to me, and I find it a shame that it pretty much died out due to technology.
I just want to learn this so no one I ever meet will know what I'm writing, honestly. I don't think I'll ever meet another person my age who's even heard of this.😂
How old are you?
@@ValidityJ 4
@@ValidityJ young
@@why712 yeah, pretty much lololol
That’s what I’m doing! I’m still in high school and I think it’s a marvellous idea (because I like writing anyway)
I am a college student in my 20's wondering if I want to learn shorthand for school, and am wondering how useful it would be to learn this day.
Fascinating! I'd like to learn this in my spare time. Always heard of it, but never knew what it entailed.
Nice! I bumped into this because I was curious about the vertical line in the middle of steno pads that we get at work. Never imaged that it was writing efficiency. I'm learning this, thanks.
1921 - shorthand writing. 2021 - encrypted writing
I was born in 1974. Growing up, my mom had many books, 3 of which I was always drawn to: "Our bodies our selves" (🤣 if you know, you know), A school book for the French language, and a Gregg Shorthand school book. I was always captivated by the Gregg Shorthand book and remembered the scene from 007's For Your Eyes Only where Melania's father & mother were murdered on the boat and she was the only one that could read his notes written in Shorthand. I always thought that was so cool! They taught it in my high school, but it was on a track where you had to have taken office/typing classes starting from 9th grade. I didn't take those beginning classes until I was in 11th grade so, I missed out. 😔 New found energy and love to learn the skill now, just because I've always wanted to!!
"Just because I've always wanted to" is one of the best reasons for doing anything :)
I hope you have reached your goals in reguards to shorthand.
If not, then there is always now ❤
How was your journey, since its been 2 years since your coment?
Im asking since im starting gregg now
Also, i loved your story
I always love the idea of fulfilling the things we couldnt do as children
( for me i always wanted a lot of notebooks and arts supploes which i couldnt get as a kid in a poor family, but as an adult i could afford it, so i started becoming a bit of a bookstore-hoholic for a whille there
Have a good day
How on earth did you write 'over-simplification'?!
andyjelement I know the comment is three years old. Hopefully you have reply notifications on. There's shortcuts for all the main prefixes and suffixes. "Over" is a little u above the word. "Ification" and ones like that are just a long curve under the main word. The middle part is just spelled s-i-m-p which only takes a second. S is a comma, I is a circle not quite round, m is a long straight line, and p is a curve that comes back a little.
Michael Flaherty Boy its been 6 years I sure hope that guy has turned on reply notifications by now
@@michaelflaherty3202 "s-i-m-p"
@ZarocLow1994 I learned Gregg in high school and college in the 70s. IIRC correctly the use of half page was merely for speed. To proceed to the next line, the writer need only 'return' from 1/2 a page to the next line rather than having to 'return' from across a full page, with almost no need to lift the hand to do so. Shorthand notebooks were designed with a red line down the middle indicating when to 'return' to the next line.
I learned Gregg shorthand years ago, but more recently I started watching German shorthand videos "Stenografie mit Dominique Clarier". I'm not ever going to be a German stenographer but it's an interesting way of learning random vocabulary. In that system you start off with narrow lined paper because there are 3 levels, like when you write longhand, an F goes to the top of level 3, a small c touches the top of level 2, and so on. You don't need special paper to write it but the levels tell you what vowels are missed out. It seems to be quite a lot more complicated than Gregg that's for sure. I was really shocked when I found out they still have shorthand writers in the German parliament, and they use pen shorthand, not those little machines. The UK parliament used Pitman's shorthand until a few years ago. Now they just watch it back on video and type into Microsoft Word!!!
I remember specifically why I took shorthand all through high school - I was the only guy in a class with 29 girls :-) It made passing notes much safer in other classes too when the teacher couldn't read them aloud to the class when she confiscated them :-) 130wpm is really impressive. I was left handed so I wrote down the right side of the page first and then moved to the left. Used to drive my instructor crazy but I got less ink on the side of my hand and I was really a lot faster.
When I took typing at FE college around 1990, the class was 50:50 male and female. We all knew we'd be using computers a lot, so that's why we took typing. I'm glad I did. I can type faster than I can do shorthand because I never actually used shorthand at work (wanted to be a journalist, ended up working at the newspaper but with the printers!)
I just learned to speed write as I take notes. I love to challenge myself copying a whole powerpoint before the teacher changes it.
I learned about this from my mom (born in 1962) and I expressed how unusual and wondrous it is. She got me a handbook this Christmas (there aren’t many books on it) and I can’t wait to learn. The circles are vowels and the lines are consonants. It’s wild and I love it. Thank you for the demonstration!
Please teach us by creating a TH-cam channel.
@ddr4lyfe Never looked too much into Teeline, though it seems pretty straightforward. I started using Dvorak cold turkey last December, using a "blank" keyboard. It was VERY hard at first. After about 4 days I was able to get my speed to 15wpm, then Instant Messages pulled me through. Can still type using QWERTY, but I prefer Dvorak, plus my hands don't hurt as much when typing for a long time. Still, It took me about 16 years to get to 110+wpm with QWERTY; took 1 year to get to 90 with Dvorak.
Wow!! I still write like this during meeting sessions. Especially if I am in charge to record the minutes. It's so convenient.
FUUUUUUUCKKK
By the way, I was inspired by videos like this to make a crude video of my own explaining the basics of Pitman Shorthand, only because I was surfing around and saw nothing on TH-cam so far about Pitman. It will be in 3 parts. I will be posting it on my alias account very soon.
My intention is not to start a war; I am okay with any kind of shorthand system as I mention at the end of the video.
I took it in high school in the 70s and I can't even remember it. Damn I wish I could of kept it up. Yours is beautiful.
Is it like riding a bike?
What pen is that? And how long had you been studying shorthand before this?
i was literally about to asking the same question.
Love that pen. Had mine for a bit now and it has to be one of the smoothest pens for the price, and I have a fine nib!
@ddr4lyfe @xBl00dBrothersX I currently type at about 90wpm with the Dvorak keyboard layout and 110+ on QWERTY, but I was raised on the keyboard. I'm actually interested in learning shorthand (I'm probably going to go with Gregg Simplified) because I currently need to take notes at Uni, but cannot bring my laptop to class. My writing speed is very, very, low. The professors speed through slides before I can take down everything to my notebook. Learning shorthand wouldn't be useless for me.
There are many situations in life when you don't have a personal computer with keyboard right next to you, but at the same time somebody talks to you something very important and no gonna repeat it in future. So it's very important skill
Greetings fellow shorthand pilgrims.
I can write shorthand clearly at 150+ words per minute, and dictate at twice that speed.
The reason the page is divided in half is to increase ones speed, if the paper is halved in width, it is therefore easier and quicker to return to the start of the next line.
Plot twist: he just drew a bunch of random lines
Hahaha! No. It's the real deal. Many of us here can read what he wrote, and it's quite impressive that he got such accuracy and clarity at that speed.
Coming here from Doctor Who. Clip: Don’t Blink
It's rare to see shorthand these days. Everybody can just use their phones to record.
Yeah, but let’s say you recorded your lecture. Do you want to sit through and listen a second time when the recording isn’t top quality?
Is this person's username in shorthand too?
@@simonelastname5182 😂 I'm sorry. My original comment was just a bad attempt at a joke about how the characters looked as random and gibberish as shorthand does to me, since I don't know shorthand, lol.
I should have worded it differently or something so it didn't seem serious, lol.😅😊
@@simonelastname5182 oh, I'm the same way, and reading back over it I realized I would have probably not been able to tell either, so I'm sorry.😂😊
Shorthand is one of my “should-da’s”. This video is informative. Thank you.
That's incredible.
I took 2 years of shorthand in hs. Loved it! Such fun!
i want to learn this or something similar so i take notes and still able to 'listen'/analyze what is being said.
14y ago.. Wow
Wow that's impressive! I learned the Gregg system years ago because I wanted to be a journalist. I did work at a newspaper but not as a journalist (long story) but anyway later on a job came up as a music correspondent working in nightclubs and I thought "no way can I use a dictaphone with loud music everywhere" so I brushed up on my Gregg (didn't get the job though!)
I think the old version of Gregg is much better than the newer more simplified ones. Whoever simplified Gregg just butchered it, in my opinion. If you're going to learn, learn the original and best!
How long would it take an average and reasonably well motivated person with no experience of shorthand to learn this, if they could do half an hour a day?
Depending on the version of Gregg shorthand you use it will more or less take around a year to learn
Uhmm... That's it.
Yeah, that was pretty funny. :)
@xBl00dBrothersX It's like I already said. I can't bring a laptop to my classes, and I need to write down powerpoint slides as the professor quickly buzzes through them, as well as note what he's saying during his lectures. Printing is too slow for getting this done, and shorthand seems to be an ideal non-electronic solution.
How did you get your camera positioned over your hand like that?
jI learned Diamond Jubalee eons ago and still use some more than 40 years later. Hubby can read his name and that's it -- nice. Worth learning. I, too, used fountain pen.
Yes, fill pen from a bottle by all means! Try pen out using shorthand before you buy to get right tip for you.
I studied 5 days/wk and got up to 120 and my version is long. Think his is Simplified or earlier. Fun to watch.
Loved loved loved what a skill u have
I cant pick between gregg notehand or Noorys simplex.
I still take shorthand when necessary, but have lost my speed. Lucky if I can do 30-40 words per minute.
I learned Pitman Shorthand during a bout of unemployment, took a couple of hundred hours of practice. It helped to read more than one book. But I was associating the printed word to symbols which is not ideal since it creates an extra step of thought in your brain. You should hear sounds and immediately associate sounds with the right symbols to write. At maximum of 80-90 words per minute I am not a master, but much better than ordinary people stuck at the 30-35 wpm of handwriting.
My original videos were badly focussed, so I revised my 3-part video and you should find it in my member account.
schools should teach this
Apparently, they quit teaching it in the 90's.
Ang ganda ng pagkakasulat kahit walang linya. Nasulat talaga lahat.
Any other teens here because they just wanna confuse everyone else. That's literally why I'm learning this
Thanks very much for this video. I want to refresh my shorthand for the purpose of taking notes.
Nobody:
People writing in cartoons:
impressive. So beautiful!
No, I don't necessarily agree that a system that allows you to go up and down is better. Ideally a shorthand should be linear, always written in the same direction. There are some Pitman words which go down, down, down and never up and clutter up the following line. Some strokes were written right to left, which could also cause congestion of the outline. After a few decades they changed the alphabet of Pitman completely so there were fewer right-to-left strokes.
Well, that's your opinion. Each system has its own advantages and disadvantages. Pitman is always linear, and that's definitely a plus. Gregg has no shading (no thick/thin lines), so any writing utensil is useful, be it a pencil, ballpoint, fountain pen, whatever. Also, Gregg is more compact, thus Gregg-ruled pads have more lines per page. And, in fact, Gregg doesn't even require lines to be written so Gregg can be written even on a blank piece of paper and still transcribed easily and accurately.
I've started learning Gregg, and I've noticed that's some words that are very similar in how they're written. For example, Dear and Deem. Need and Made. When you're writing like this, do you worry very much about the subtle details, or do you just figure it out from the context of the sentence?
Some words are similar, yes, but usually not exactly the same. Your word pairs, for example, would all be written differently. In some cases, different words may be written identically, and then context is your only clue for sorting out the correct word. That said, one of the brilliant things about the Gregg system is that all the consonants are in phonetic pairs, with the shorter/smaller symbol representing the unvoiced consonant and the longer/larger symbol representing the voiced consonant of the same pair. Thus P is short and B is longer, and F is short and V is longer. This works out that if the steongrapher makes a sizing error, at least the consonant will be placed in the same part of the mouth, so sounding out the word will still get you quite close.
Damn. This would come in handy so often. How long would it take for a beginner that is committed to learning shorthand to become as good as the guy in this video?
According to some sources, it would take a beginner anywhere from a few months, to a couple of years, depending on how often they practiced.
He's awesome, I don't think everyone can become that fast and still write so clear. But even a lousy stenographer writes three times faster than in longhand.
You write so effortlessly. Who is it possible?
Ya but can you read it after?
Yup.
Well thats the point, innit?
Hey complete coincidence, I have the same Lamy pen lol
What is this witchcraft
how long did it take you to learn?
how often did you practice?
how long have you been practicing?
how long have you been doing shorthand (as a master)?
where did you learn?
what do you recommend to learn?
what do you recommend to buy?
I learned the Diamond Jubilee version of Gregg shorthand at Briarcliffe Secretarial School in Hicksville, NY, and continued at Cypress Community College when I moved to California. I still use my Gregg s/h to write myself notes even though I am now retired. I think I spent at least 1.5 years. or perhaps 2 years. Ms. Zicollella @ Briarcliffe, and another female professor @ Cypress, were excellent teachers. I learned at the beginning of the 1980s.
I took a lot of dictation in the early years of my career. Later on, I used my Gregg to take down instructions from my boss & meeting minutes as well. I tended to be too detailed in my meeting minutes, ha-ha!
I record it on my cell phone and translate it into texts.
How did you place a camera so well over what you were writing?
Yes you can write 130 WPM, but can you read it back. Look at your form for the word "Vocabulary" -- vcap
What's wrong with vcab? Maybe the "b" was a little short (making it a "p"), but otherwise that's a perfectly acceptable outline for vocabulary--especially at this speed.
He writing the language of gods
This guys knows aliens language
This looks a bit messy. I'll have to look further into this
I need videos in orthic shorthand
@xBl00dBrothersX There were no netbooks or PDAs in the early 1900s. On a more time-appropriate note: some people prefer to hand-write their notes, as well as there's just something fascinating about handwriting. Typing has it's advantages, but you get no view into the personality of the typist. It's a stylistic difference I would say. Being unique is cool, I'd rather stand out than be just like everyone else.
your are writing like wind
ha you cant fool me. i know those are just squiggly lines
Which pen are u using?
I'm learning Probaway shorthand. It's the easiest and slowest shorthand of all since it converts the words of the alphabet directly to symbols, but college is starting so I'll have to be happy with 80 WPM.
@looktalike I tried Dvorak once but could NOT get the handle of it, QWERTY has been embedded into my brain too much. I'm taking a shot at learning Teeline because Gregg is too abstract looking to me.
Looks like sloppy farsi
2nd March 2024.
amazing
what on earth... can you read it back (like in another video?)? What are you recording? Can you read that and write down a transcript from it and match it against the original text? How long would that take. Sorry for all the questions.
Fucking amazing
The stethographer is scribbling in Georgory shorthand, starting in either Australia or New Zeland era 1980's notwithstanding an S.O.S impeding in possibly El Salvador during the Rebel war in account of going underneath the hedgemen. The CEO gives the impression that he came up with this invention. He may or may not, but the corporate environment supersedes with this gismo. Here, in the states Jason's Best temporary service in Westwood CA. recruited secretaries and general office clerks with a knowledge of this stethograph and it boomed, very good.Minneapolis-Honeywell Regulator Co. v. Midwestern Instruments, Inc., 188 F. Supp. 248, 1960 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 4889, 127 U.S.P.Q. (BNA) 149, 127 U.S.P.Q. (BNA) 245 & Georgine v. Amchem Prods., 1994 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 16309
hello can I ask what pen is that ? it's beautiful
looks like a lamy
I think Dan is right. Lamy Safari Fountain Pen Blue Ex-Fine
This is what they teach in med school
for taking notes quickly or for giving out medical prescriptions?
So this is me when I don't feel like writing. But I'm sure if people understand shorthand read it, you'd read something other than what I actually wrote.
This is very interesting why no longer taught in schools. Hope it does not become a lost art ! I don't know short hand and this is the first time watching someone write in this manner. Looks to me like just scribbles but now i know after watching further videos on the short hand alphabet system.
I’m 14 and I decided to learn this...(In Hebrew) i already have the book
Hey there can you tell me how do you understand words when reading because of no vowels placement as I saw also can you tell me which and how many shortcuts you are using if possible
@xBl00dBrothersX I thoroughly enjoyed your counter-argument. I believe that in this day and age, that either is just as productive/applicable. I decide to hand write my notes over taking my laptop because I find that there are too many distractions if I take my laptop (Internet, games, IMing, etc.). Also, call me crazy, but I love the way that a pen glides across paper. I say that if you already type at over 60 WPM in typing, there's no need to learn a potentially faster method of note-taking.
I took shorthand in high school and did use in my job at the phone company. I wrote to my teacher today and expressed my gratitude to her.
did he say.....thats it??? my mind was so blown, dude that is amazing/
I Took shorthand in highschool.awesome skill to have
We need touchscreen/touchpad/VR interfaces like this
I listened to this @ 2X speed! Thanks, TH-cam!
In how much time does one reach 130 in gregg
Would this be readable years after, after you have already forgotten what the text is about completely?
COOL VACUUM CLEANER
GREAT! now what does it say again
Sir, which pen is good for writing Gregg shorthand, please tell me
Actually, one of the great things about Gregg is that it can be written with almost anything, even a pencil. For optimum speed and accuracy, pens are generally preferred, and most of us use a comfortable ballpoint with quick-drying ink. However, if fountain pens are your thing, then go for it--those are excellent choices.
and now, read it aloud 🤣
😂😂
Just wow!! I hope to be as good as you..