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*How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime!* --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940' Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. *So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years.* The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a *"'FOOL'"* Moore was *Awesome* in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. *Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.* Both Moore and Charles were *Fantastic* Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being *Great Heavyweights.* The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. *And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's.* *Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.*
@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD great post, oh Stout one. These guys were all light heavies. I never actually saw Archie in his prime because I wasn’t born until 59, but I’ve seen videos. That’s the best I can personally do. While I love Rocky as much as the next guy I’m also a huge fan of boxing from the beginning to current day and I’m actually honest about what I see. Rocky was tough and he retired undefeated. But, honestly his skills were limited and there’s no way he beats a Liston or probably even Patterson
*How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime!* --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940' Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. *So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years.* The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a *"'FOOL'"* Moore was *Awesome* in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. *Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.* Both Moore and Charles were *Fantastic* Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being *Great Heavyweights.* The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. *And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's.* *Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.*
For me, my all-time greatest boxer has got to be the one and only "Ageless" "Old Mongoose”, Archie Moore. His record of 186-23-10 (131 KO's) boasts the most knockouts by any single fighter in boxing history. Moore fought in Mexico, the Philippines, Italy, Canada, Brazil, Germany, Great Britain, Argentina, Uruguay, Panama and Australia.
*How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime!* --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940' Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. *So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years.* The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a *"'FOOL'"* Moore was *Awesome* in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. *Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.* Both Moore and Charles were *Fantastic* Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being *Great Heavyweights.* The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. *And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's.* *Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.*
that's exactly what I was going to say.. fighters now days are protected better than those old school fighters who ended up broke and punch drunk.. but to see this fight and the heart that Archie had was something to see..
*How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime!* --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940' Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. *So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years.* The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a *"'FOOL'"* Moore was *Awesome* in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. *Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.* Both Moore and Charles were *Fantastic* Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being *Great Heavyweights.* The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. *And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's.* *Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.*
@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD Yeah but I'm not talking about Charles as a heavyweight and I didn't say size doesn't matter, I said Charles is the greatest light heavyweight of all time, in my very humble opinion. Charles didn't need to move up to heavyweight to cement his legacy, he's not the light heavyweight goat just because of his 3 wins vs Moore. He had wins over guys like Chalie Burley, Gus Lesnevich, Joey Maxim, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray, a lot of them multiple times, when the murderer's row fighters were being avoided by the white fighters (fault of the promoters) they were being outclassed by Charles. His light heavyweight résumé was insane, even for the time when boxers had hundreds of fights. I don't care about his 42% ko ratio, he fought a high % of his fights vs killers, unfortunately he killed a guy in the ring himself which probably didn't help his ko percentage afterwards & let's not forget he was smaller than light heavyweight to begin with, he was actually a welter just before turning pro and he was a featherweight long before that. Remarkable fighter, all things considered he's the only guy to go 15 rounds with Rocky and he beat Joe Louis, old Joe Louis but still.
@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD I think Charles was only around 32 when they first fought, which would be considered prime today. However he'd been in a lot of wars with a lot of monsters by that time & he wasn't even a proper heavyweight by the standards at the time. Rocky had nothing like the miles and he hadn't gone through the weights which even today isn't that easy, it was after the Baroudi tradgey as well which would've deeply trouble Charles mentally. I think Charles would've had a great chance vs Rocky prime vs prime, I'm a big fan of both, Rocky fought who was available at the time but he still doesn't really have a signature win vs a young, hungry genuine heavyweight lion, he retired while he still had plenty left in the tank as well, pretty much in his prime, but can't blame him really.
@@jimmynich4791 Well said again, it's refreshing to hear someone that knows the facts. Charles fought approximately 10 Hall of Famers. He beat Archie Moore 3x, Burley 2x, Maxim 5x. Charles went through so many wars at middleweight and light heavyweight, he was past his prime at Heavyweight. There's not a single boxing historian out there that'll claim Charles was prime when he eventually got to Marciano.
@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD I had an argument with one guy who was adamant Charles was in his prime and was a proper heavyweight, even would be today because of modern training and nutrition. Even pointed out the different between the Green Bay Packers of the 1970s vs today. I told him that I hate to break it to you but you do realise a lot of modern athletes are doing PEDs & I'm not sure Charles would resort to something like that?
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!* Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* Emanuel was simply stating 'Facts'. With what we know today, since 1979, Rocky isn't even an authentic Heavyweight not to mention 224+lbs Super Heavyweight. If size doesn't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since *Little* Rocky's *Little* era 4 generations ago? *@ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight*
@@Stout_Krout_German It's unfair to compare weights from different eras. Fighters today are jacked up on supplements and PEDs. A good example would be Evander Holyfield. If he was fighting back during Marciano's time he would be similar in size to Ezzard Charles. At age 22 he weighed 178 lbs. Joe Louis at 22 weighed 203. Muhammad Ali at 22 defended his title against Liston weighing 206. Before the war interrupted his career, Louis peaked at 208. Before Ali was stripped of his title, he peaked at 214. Holyfield on the other hand added 35 pounds of pure muscle, which is not natural.
@@Stout_Krout_German don’t you think Marciano was being gracious and humble. He was a modest guy in his life and was paying tribute to some great fighters. It doesn’t prove spit. The greatest talent is not the one with the biggest mouth.
Moore once said that Durelle was the toughest boxer he had ever fought. To understand that statement better, Moore had boxed over 200 matches! Thank you for sharing those interview clips of Moore and for editing them with those clips of the historic Moore-Durelle I bout.
Must we forget little 5' 9" Yvonne Durrell was career Welterweight turned Middleweight. This fight was in 1958, Durrell weighed 172 and Moore weighed 173. Durrell lost 24 times and was KO'd 9 times. Directly after this fight Durrell went back to fighting debut amateurs. At best Durrell was C-LEVEL undercard boxer.
@@Studentofsweetscience_ALB_NY Rocky was the then Fury, in the sense that he 'smartly' avoided fights he stood no chance in. Sonny Liston would have clobbered him like Sonny clobbered Patterson twice or Big George Foreman clobbered Smokin Joe Frazier twice, many years later. Sonny Liston's style was Kryptonite for every boxer of his era (except Ali), Rocky included. Sadly, Sonny Liston's life was such a sad one and he was totally discriminated against...
Why didn't little 178 lb light heavy to 186 lb tiny cruiser with tiny flyweight reach Rocky clean out his division like Sonny Liston, Ali and Lennox did? *Little Rocky ducked the great Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard just to name a few?* For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. *There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:* Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it). Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny. Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused. WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny. WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny. Bob Baker declined too. So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!” Karl Mildenberger declined as well. Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight). Tommy Jackson refused. Doug Jones did too. Harold Carter did as well. So did Joe Erskine and Bob Cleroux. *That is 14 top fighters, who refused to fight Sonny Liston, including 4 Champions.* *Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history. On the other hand little Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked!!! Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years!!! EVERYONE wanted to fight little Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could!!! All Facts!!! Rocky was a Quitter!!!*
Liston never quit anything! He bravely fought till he was 50 while Rocky quit at 31. Rocky was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. Rocky also quit on his own kids and wife to sleep with thousands and left them penniless-- *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993*
The great Archie Moore, and that dang sneaky left hook of his; which he could throw in rapid succession, right behind a jab with the same hand! That, in and of itself was amazing... ...until you realized that a right hook was coming behind it! Amazing fighter and human being!
Those 4 Hall of Famers Marciano faced were not prime when they fought him, it's scientifically and mathematically impossible when evaluating their careers. They already had 409 (68 68 95 178) pro fights and that doesn't include Louis' 96 fights he had before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service. The decathlon is the ultimate and/or best test for speed strength endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World Champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were undoubtedly past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason. A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early thirty's that still had his reflexes fully intact.
That was superhuman. I remember putting on the boxing gloves when I was a kid and fooling around in the yard. After I few minutes I could hardly hold my arms up. These guys went on for a dozen rounds throwing haymakers landing punch after punch. Those guys were tough as nails.
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!* Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
*ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW.* Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
I remember this fight like yesterday, I was 13 years old and watching on an old B/W TV. The fight was broadcast on the old Wednesday night fight program. I was a big Archie Moore fan and caught all his fights whenever he was on. He gave Marciano all he could handle until being knocked out in the 9th round.
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!* Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
This fight was a true gem! Gaining the title 20 years after being snubbed since the beginning of his career , He was sure to never let it go that easily. 👑R.I.P Archie Moore The Knockout King 🥊🔥
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!* Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
How inspirational was that? The guy was was amazing. Nobody knew his age. No record of it. He was probably a lot older. He was prevented from rising up in the ranks when he was younger, not for lack of ability. Stood in George Foreman’s corner. Ali stayed in Archie’s training camp for a short while when Ali was a kid. Archie gave Ali a broom to sweep floors to humble him. Ali left as one might expect. Prime Ali beat Archie when Archie was elderly. Elder Archie knocked down Marciano in the second round in 1955, but Marciano came back. Archie Moore was far, far more than a boxer. A very intelligent, wise man who understood the power of the mind, endurance and hard work.
*ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW.* Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Must we forget little 5' 9" Yvonne Durrell was career Welterweight turned Middleweight. This fight was in 1958, Durrell weighed 172 and Moore weighed 173. Durrell lost 24 times and was KO'd 9 times. Directly after this fight Durrell went back to fighting debut amateurs. At best Durrell was C-LEVEL undercard boxer.
For light heavyweights yes. The Heavyweight division was horrendous. Rocky only weighed 184 when he won his Heavyweight title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his Heavyweight title. Worst Heavyweight division in boxing history. Today's Heavyweights Zhang and Bakole weigh 290.
Sonny had an 84" albatross reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67" flyweight reach. A 17" reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable.
Archie Moore what can I say top 10 greatest of all time along with Ezzard Charles the greatest Light Heavyweight in history look at the Man’s Record the amount of KOs didn’t he have 156 KO s omg Legend this man was a legend never got the respect he deserved or mentioned with the all time greats but he was love the Great Archie Moore 😢
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!* Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Inspirational ! Your title for this feature , unlike many promotional exaggerations for youtube content , was no such ensnaring ploy . From my own perspective , it arguably WAS the best pugilistic recovery I've ever seen . Fantastic ! And Archie's reflections on the event , expressed with refreshing modesty , pensively contexualizing the episode as epitomising the edifying reality of the human spirit's ability to overcome adversity , did him further credit . Thank you for sharing this footage .
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
*ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW.* Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf, and this is the best little Rocky's little era had to offer smh. These guys aren't topnotch professionals, more like good Golden Glove boxers. What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about? *Watch their fight! It's there!* *Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!* *Analyse the fight yourself!* *It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!* Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
37 year old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17 years"* with *(68)* fights and *(96)* fights before two million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing Marciano. *Louis' speed and punching power had all but evaporated evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights!* Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, 184 lb Rocky was just entering his prime. 40 year old cruiserweight Walcott had already been fighting *"22 years"* with *(68)* fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. Walcott being granted (6) title attempts in a (5 ½) year span (1947 to 1953) proves how shallow the division was. *And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!* This is important. *Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months (1940 to 1944). Rocky himself said Walcott was only 90% @ 'The Marciano Tapes 3'.* Walcott's most notable victories include wins over light heavyweights Charles and Maxim. Combined Charles and Maxim lost (54) times. *Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.* Light heavyweight Charles with the lowest ever 42% KO's had already been fighting *"15 years"* with *(95)* fights before facing Marciano in 1954. *Charles was already showing signs of ALS against Walcott in 1951.* *Charles was 100% factually handicapped when he fought Marciano!* It's in Ezzard's biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff.* *Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.* 42 year old light heavyweight Moore had already been fighting *"20 years"* with *(178)* fights before facing Marciano. Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was." -@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears* Wouldn't that put Archie in his mid 40's? This was Rocky's last fight and he's only 31. Moore continued to fight till he was 50. *Who did Rocky fight when he was 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 and 50 years of age?* How many times would Rocky have lost if he had *(220)* fights like Moore had? *Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.* In summary *Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. Marciano never fought an all-time great in his prime and he was only 31 when he had his last fight.* It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was over-accomplished* (overrated). *He was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10" exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. The biggest overachiever in the Heavyweight division. 188 lbs was just too small."* ( @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight )
Archie had Marciano beaten in round 1....but the ref allowed Marciano a standing 8 count to recover from a knockdown (the standing 8 count had NOT been agreed on, pre-fight)
Boxing's most courageous man in all history. From July 14, 1936 to March 15, 1963, Archie Moore fought (anywhere) the toughest, meanest, most vicious punching sluggers in the middleweight, light-heavy and heavyweight divisions. Here in Australia, he is still greatly esteemed.
Liston never quit anything! He bravely fought till he was 50 while Rocky quit at 31. Rocky was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. Rocky also quit on his own kids and wife to sleep with thousands and left them penniless-- *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993*
Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. *EXPLAIN HOW (178 TO 186 LB) TINY CRUISER MARCIANO GOES FROM 7TH, 8TH, 9TH, 10TH PLACE DURING THE 1960's AND 1970's TO THE 4TH GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024?* Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800's is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES, imagine that? 'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles and Moore were technically light heavyweights and Joe Louis' once speedy reflexes were now non-existent. The Algorithms only acknowledge Rocky fought 4 Washed Hall of Famers and went 49-0.
Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′ 1″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
Brought back in 1994 as a special consultant for foreman when he fought michael moorer. After 9th round he told foreman you have him in your "parlor" buy have to get him now. Rest is history
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf, and this is the best little Rocky's little era had to offer smh. These guys aren't topnotch professionals, more like good Golden Glove boxers. What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about? *Watch their fight! It's there!* *Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!* *Analyse the fight yourself!* *It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!* Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
I had the pleasure of meeting Archie Moore in the lobby of a hotel in San Diego back in 1995. Not only was he a gentleman and actually looked me in the eye to make human contact, rare today, when I reached out to shake his hand he fist bumped me. That was the first fist bump handshake I had ever experienced. To this day I believe Archie invented it! 😂
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf, and this is the best little Rocky's little era had to offer smh. These guys aren't topnotch professionals, more like good Golden Glove boxers. What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about? *Watch their fight! It's there!* *Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!* *Analyse the fight yourself!* *It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!* Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
Foreman, probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that "Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back-up and revert to boxing."
The decathlon is the ultimate test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason. A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early thirties that still had his reflexes fully intact. Joe Louis' prime years were in 1937, 1938, 1939 when he was 23, 24, 25 years of age. Ali's best years were during his twenties. Mike Tyson's best years was in his early twenties. Yet for some unknown reason Rocky fans believe Walcott's and Moore's best years were in their forties. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason.
Archie did not train for this fight…he said he was training while the fight was going on….in their second fight, Archie did train and destroyed Durelle.
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Boxing Historian Monte Cox wrote: “Liston was made to be a fighter. His physical attributes bordered on the freakish. At six-foot, one-inch, he had an eighty-four inch reach-longer than that of all other champions with the exception of Primo Carnera. His neck was a massive eighteen inches. But the number that leaps off the page-the statistic that looks initially lik' a typo-is that which corresponds to his hands. When closed into a fist, they measured fifteen inches around, virtually twice the size of an average man’s. To contemplate the impact of a fist that large, delivered over a distance that great, from a man so determined to do damage, would give even the bravest opponent pause."
Archie Moore once said about Durelle after being knocked down that this guy could hit. And then he got knocked down again and Moore said, he was convinced this guy could hit.
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf, and this is the best little Rocky's little era had to offer smh. These guys aren't topnotch professionals, more like good Golden Glove boxers. What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about? *Watch their fight! It's there!* *Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!* *Analyse the fight yourself!* *It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!* Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
He used to by my favorite boxer. He was over 200lbs but could get down to light heavyweight. It seems he'd gotten something from the Aborigines. He fought years before he got famous. There wasn't much about boxing he didn't know. They used to give 3 ages for him, all in the 40s. He did well acting in Huckleberry Finn as Jim.
Happens on occasion that a fighter has his opponent very nearly beaten early on but that fighter survives and comes back strong and it seems as if the expectation that he thought he had the fight won but didn’t causes the spirit of the first fighter to collapse!
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf, and this is the best little Rocky's little era had to offer smh. These guys aren't topnotch professionals, more like good Golden Glove boxers. What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about? *Watch their fight! It's there!* *Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!* *Analyse the fight yourself!* *It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!* Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
They were no different than the hundreds of thousands of pro boxers that came before them or after them. The only difference was the officiating. It was definitely more dangerous back then. They couldn't careless about the fighters safety back then.
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
The Ring magazine ranks Liston as the tenth greatest Heavyweight of all time, while boxing writer Herb Goldman ranked him second and Richard O'Brien, Senior Editor of Sports Illustrated, placed him third. Alfie Potts Harmer in The Sportster also ranked him the third greatest Heavyweight and the sixth greatest boxer at any weight. Liston was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1991. *"Charles L. "Sonny" Liston was particularly known for his immense strength, formidable jab, long reach, toughness, and is widely regarded as the most intimidating man in the history of the sport."* - The Ring Magazine
Little Rocky's style will play into Liston’s Giant hands, as it will violate one of boxing’s holy grail rules and that is, “never slug with a bigger slugger.” Especially when that slugger’s name is Sonny Liston; simply put Liston does it all better than Rocky and also has height weight and major reach advantage. I can see Liston’s jab being an even more formidable weapon than usual in this matchup as he won’t have to go looking for Rocky. To put the concept of reach into perspective, you have Liston with a monster 84” reach compared to little Rocky's 67” reach- this would be decisive. I would favour Liston in a big way. Marciano gets flattened faster than Patterson!
Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to tiny flyweight reach Rocky if he met any of those monsters!
Little Rocky's fighting weight ranged from 178 light heavy to 186 tiny cruiser. But what's worse than that was his incredibly short reach which was the shortest in boxing history. By way of comparison today's bantamweight phenom Naoya Inoue's 67½″ reach is longer than Rocky's 67" reach. *"Boxing and other combat sports divide competitors into weight classes in order to prevent injury, ensure fair competition and provide a more exciting fight. The heavier opponent will have an advantage as they have increased muscle mass, allowing them to hit harder and withstand strikes from their opponent more easily. It is for this reason that combat sports separate fighters based on weight class."* -- by MMA Combat Sports
Archie was the best Heavyweight to ever live. That is not to say he was the greatest but the most skilled. He had the left hook, the jab, the right and phenomenal defense. His skill allowed him to fight way past his prime.
Moore weighed 173 lbs in this fight, how is that Heavyweight? Moore was Light heavy champ from 1952 to 1962, how is that Heavyweight? Moore weighed 148 lbs vs. Kid Pocahuntas who also weighed 148, how is that Heavyweight? Moore was entered into the Hall of Fame for what he accomplished at Light heavyweight, Not Heavyweight!
@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD I He fought the best HEAVYWEIGHTS of his era. Rocky Marciano, Ezzard Charles, Cadillac Williams and when he was 48 he fought Cassius Clay. These were all sactioned Heavyweight bouts. You have a problem?
@@waderivers99 Forgot Patterson. And what happened in every single one of these Huge Heavyweight matches? He was obliterated, shamed and humiliated. So how exactly was *"Archie the best Heavyweight to ever live"?*
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Much bigger, much stronger sluggers like Liston Foreman Ibeabuchi would knock little Rocky into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any shots of his own.
In the last 30 years this fight would have been stopped in early rounds with TKO loss for archie. The rest of it is kind of pitiful it has not much to do with skill but with anatomical resistance to knock down. Black having a somewhat thicker skull bone.
Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Sonny's power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Little 184 lb Rocky was never tested against a real genuine prime topnotch 200+lbs Heavyweight let alone an authentic prime topnotch Super Heavyweight. In comparison Mike Tyson weighed 220 and was 3x faster.
when you see bravery and guts like this from a 44 year old man it sickens me to watch todays crop of upcoming fighters getting great pleasure beating the crap out of some poor hand picked loser and clowning around showing no respect or class in the process and i bet archie was robbed blind by the promoters of the day
You don't know what your talking about. Durrell was the hand picked career Middleweight bummy loser. Today's light heavyweights Beterbiev and Bivol would smash both these guys within seconds.
"For pro fighters, even a relatively small difference in weight can lead to a huge advantage. Weight classes eliminate this kind of disparity, ensuring that skill remains the most important factor in determining the victor. With fewer weight classes, a smaller boxer would have poor odds of ever becoming a champion, no matter their skill." - by Rick Thomas Sportscasting | Pure Sports April 14 2020 Today's average Super Heavyweight weighs 250 with 80" reach. We'll never see 165 lb Fitzsimmons, 175 lb Burns, 181 lb Charles, 182 lb Patterson or 184 lb Marciano as Heavyweight Champions again. These guys were from 3, 4, 5 generations ago. It's over with. Rocky was too small. Bye bye.
Il più grande peso mediomassimi di sempre a 48 anni era ancora campione del mondo ha fatto piegare le gambe all'imbattibile i Marciano più di 250 incontri la metà vinti per ko persi non più di 15 e solo da pesi massimi
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf, and this is the best little Rocky's little era had to offer smh. These guys aren't topnotch professionals, more like good Golden Glove boxers. What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about? *Watch their fight! It's there!* *Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!* *Analyse the fight yourself!* *It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!* Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
I’m not sure that was the greatest comeback. Joe Louis was getting taken to school by Billy Conn and losing badly when Conn got KOed. Or, Foreman KOing Moorer late
almost no combinations - these guys were blowing single jabs and hooks, I also saw an uppercut here an there. But imh opinion neither boxer was great, really
Moore was trying to recover from a devastating start. That meant taking fewer risks, avoiding being exposed by throwing meaningless combinations. Greatness is not always measured by how attractive he is to the public, but by the resilience and heart he demonstrated. Archie Moore faced more real challenges than Canelo, Mayweather and Paquiao combined. If he wasn't great, I don't know who could be.
Shouldn't have lost that. Durelle should have not let up. Moore was beaten. Fight should have been stopped after 3 knock downs. What's with that damn music?
No standing 8 count. No checking fighter or step forward. Archie had the years in service and stamina engrained from all those years. Young guy gassed out.
There will never be another Archie. Not ever.
There will never be another anybody
*How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime!* --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940'
Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. *So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years.*
The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a *"'FOOL'"*
Moore was *Awesome* in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. *Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.*
Both Moore and Charles were *Fantastic* Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being *Great Heavyweights.*
The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. *And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's.*
*Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.*
@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD great post, oh Stout one. These guys were all light heavies.
I never actually saw Archie in his prime because I wasn’t born until 59, but I’ve seen videos. That’s the best I can personally do. While I love Rocky as much as the next guy I’m also a huge fan of boxing from the beginning to current day and I’m actually honest about what I see. Rocky was tough and he retired undefeated. But, honestly his skills were limited and there’s no way he beats a Liston or probably even Patterson
A really genuine guy and a hero to many, Archie Moore is a beloved icon who deserves respect. RIP Archie you are still loved and remembered.
*How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime!* --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940'
Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. *So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years.*
The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a *"'FOOL'"*
Moore was *Awesome* in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. *Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.*
Both Moore and Charles were *Fantastic* Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being *Great Heavyweights.*
The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. *And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's.*
*Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.*
For me, my all-time greatest boxer has got to be the one and only "Ageless" "Old Mongoose”, Archie Moore. His record of 186-23-10 (131 KO's) boasts the most knockouts by any single fighter in boxing history. Moore fought in Mexico, the Philippines, Italy, Canada, Brazil, Germany, Great Britain, Argentina, Uruguay, Panama and Australia.
*How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime!* --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940'
Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. *So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years.*
The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a *"'FOOL'"*
Moore was *Awesome* in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. *Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.*
Both Moore and Charles were *Fantastic* Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being *Great Heavyweights.*
The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. *And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's.*
*Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.*
Today this fight would have been stopped before Archie could come back. Hat of to Archie for coming back
He couldn't finish off an old man. So much weakness the white man posses
that's exactly what I was going to say.. fighters now days are protected better than those old school fighters who ended up broke and punch drunk..
but to see this fight and the heart that Archie had was something to see..
Moore's not punch drunk. There's a thin line between better protection and just stopping fights too early. 👍@@JuanPerez-ek8wd
*How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime!* --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940'
Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. *So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years.*
The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a *"'FOOL'"*
Moore was *Awesome* in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. *Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.*
Both Moore and Charles were *Fantastic* Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being *Great Heavyweights.*
The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. *And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's.*
*Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.*
Archie Moore GOAT 🐐
Ezzard Charles the light heavy goat for me.
@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD Yeah but I'm not talking about Charles as a heavyweight and I didn't say size doesn't matter, I said Charles is the greatest light heavyweight of all time, in my very humble opinion.
Charles didn't need to move up to heavyweight to cement his legacy, he's not the light heavyweight goat just because of his 3 wins vs Moore. He had wins over guys like Chalie Burley, Gus Lesnevich, Joey Maxim, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray, a lot of them multiple times, when the murderer's row fighters were being avoided by the white fighters (fault of the promoters) they were being outclassed by Charles. His light heavyweight résumé was insane, even for the time when boxers had hundreds of fights.
I don't care about his 42% ko ratio, he fought a high % of his fights vs killers, unfortunately he killed a guy in the ring himself which probably didn't help his ko percentage afterwards & let's not forget he was smaller than light heavyweight to begin with, he was actually a welter just before turning pro and he was a featherweight long before that. Remarkable fighter, all things considered he's the only guy to go 15 rounds with Rocky and he beat Joe Louis, old Joe Louis but still.
@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD I think Charles was only around 32 when they first fought, which would be considered prime today. However he'd been in a lot of wars with a lot of monsters by that time & he wasn't even a proper heavyweight by the standards at the time. Rocky had nothing like the miles and he hadn't gone through the weights which even today isn't that easy, it was after the Baroudi tradgey as well which would've deeply trouble Charles mentally. I think Charles would've had a great chance vs Rocky prime vs prime, I'm a big fan of both, Rocky fought who was available at the time but he still doesn't really have a signature win vs a young, hungry genuine heavyweight lion, he retired while he still had plenty left in the tank as well, pretty much in his prime, but can't blame him really.
@@jimmynich4791 Well said again, it's refreshing to hear someone that knows the facts. Charles fought approximately 10 Hall of Famers. He beat Archie Moore 3x, Burley 2x, Maxim 5x. Charles went through so many wars at middleweight and light heavyweight, he was past his prime at Heavyweight. There's not a single boxing historian out there that'll claim Charles was prime when he eventually got to Marciano.
@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD I had an argument with one guy who was adamant Charles was in his prime and was a proper heavyweight, even would be today because of modern training and nutrition. Even pointed out the different between the Green Bay Packers of the 1970s vs today. I told him that I hate to break it to you but you do realise a lot of modern athletes are doing PEDs & I'm not sure Charles would resort to something like that?
Absolutely the greatest comeback of all time! Nothing else comes close.
The greatest comeback fight was the Corrales/Castillo fight. Castillo knocked Corales down 2X and Corales stopped Castillo all in the same round.
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!*
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* Emanuel was simply stating 'Facts'. With what we know today, since 1979, Rocky isn't even an authentic Heavyweight not to mention 224+lbs Super Heavyweight. If size doesn't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since *Little* Rocky's *Little* era 4 generations ago?
*@ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight*
@@Stout_Krout_German
It's unfair to compare weights from different eras. Fighters today are jacked up on supplements and PEDs. A good example would be Evander Holyfield. If he was fighting back during Marciano's time he would be similar in size to Ezzard Charles. At age 22 he weighed 178 lbs. Joe Louis at 22 weighed 203. Muhammad Ali at 22 defended his title against Liston weighing 206. Before the war interrupted his career, Louis peaked at 208. Before Ali was stripped of his title, he peaked at 214. Holyfield on the other hand added 35 pounds of pure muscle, which is not natural.
@@Stout_Krout_German don’t you think Marciano was being gracious and humble. He was a modest guy in his life and was paying tribute to some great fighters. It doesn’t prove spit. The greatest talent is not the one with the biggest mouth.
Moore once said that Durelle was the toughest boxer he had ever fought. To understand that statement better, Moore had boxed over 200 matches!
Thank you for sharing those interview clips of Moore and for editing them with those clips of the historic Moore-Durelle I bout.
Must we forget little 5' 9" Yvonne Durrell was career Welterweight turned Middleweight. This fight was in 1958, Durrell weighed 172 and Moore weighed 173. Durrell lost 24 times and was KO'd 9 times. Directly after this fight Durrell went back to fighting debut amateurs. At best Durrell was C-LEVEL undercard boxer.
Archie... One of the all time greats
Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez : absolutely
@@Stout_Krout_German I
I Admire Marciano's honesty.
The Old Mongoose! An All-time Great indeed!
Yes I agree, at light heavyweight, Not Heavyweight.
It's a shame Rocky's best opponents were washed light heavyweights. Moore was 42 and Charles had Lou Gehrig disease.
@@Studentofsweetscience_ALB_NY Rocky was the then Fury, in the sense that he 'smartly' avoided fights he stood no chance in. Sonny Liston would have clobbered him like Sonny clobbered Patterson twice or Big George Foreman clobbered Smokin Joe Frazier twice, many years later. Sonny Liston's style was Kryptonite for every boxer of his era (except Ali), Rocky included. Sadly, Sonny Liston's life was such a sad one and he was totally discriminated against...
Why didn't little 178 lb light heavy to 186 lb tiny cruiser with tiny flyweight reach Rocky clean out his division like Sonny Liston, Ali and Lennox did? *Little Rocky ducked the great Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard just to name a few?* For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. *There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:*
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it).
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Baker declined too.
So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!”
Karl Mildenberger declined as well.
Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight).
Tommy Jackson refused.
Doug Jones did too.
Harold Carter did as well.
So did Joe Erskine
and Bob Cleroux.
*That is 14 top fighters, who refused to fight Sonny Liston, including 4 Champions.*
*Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history. On the other hand little Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked!!! Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years!!! EVERYONE wanted to fight little Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could!!! All Facts!!! Rocky was a Quitter!!!*
Liston never quit anything! He bravely fought till he was 50 while Rocky quit at 31. Rocky was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. Rocky also quit on his own kids and wife to sleep with thousands and left them penniless-- *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993*
The great Archie Moore, and that dang sneaky left hook of his; which he could throw in rapid succession, right behind a jab with the same hand! That, in and of itself was amazing...
...until you realized that a right hook was coming behind it! Amazing fighter and human being!
Those 4 Hall of Famers Marciano faced were not prime when they fought him, it's scientifically and mathematically impossible when evaluating their careers. They already had 409 (68 68 95 178) pro fights and that doesn't include Louis' 96 fights he had before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service.
The decathlon is the ultimate and/or best test for speed strength endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World Champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were undoubtedly past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason.
A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early thirty's that still had his reflexes fully intact.
@Stout_Krout_German:
The video is about Marciano...🙄
That was superhuman. I remember putting on the boxing gloves when I was a kid and fooling around in the yard. After I few minutes I could hardly hold my arms up. These guys went on for a dozen rounds throwing haymakers landing punch after punch. Those guys were tough as nails.
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!*
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
@@Stout_Krout_Germanking yapper i greet you your majesty!
Moore was 45, Durelle was 29!
Thank you.
*ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW.*
Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
I remember this fight like yesterday, I was 13 years old and watching on an old B/W TV. The fight was broadcast on the old Wednesday night fight program. I was a big Archie Moore fan and caught all his fights whenever he was on. He gave Marciano all he could handle until being knocked out in the 9th round.
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
Wow. Two absolute warriors
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!*
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
This fight was a true gem!
Gaining the title 20 years after being snubbed since the beginning of his career , He was sure to never let it go that easily.
👑R.I.P Archie Moore The Knockout King 🥊🔥
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
Truly a man amongst men
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!*
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Zhang - 290
Bakole - 290
Joyce - 280
Fury - 275
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Lennox - 250
Parker - 250
Foreman - 250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Anderson - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Wilder - 225
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 222
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
*Moore - 175 light heavy champ from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 with shortest ever 67" flyweight reach.*
If size doesn't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since Little Rocky's Little era 4 generations ago?
Both men deserve admiration and respect for their sheer grit and determination .
Best comment.
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
How inspirational was that? The guy was was amazing. Nobody knew his age. No record of it. He was probably a lot older. He was prevented from rising up in the ranks when he was younger, not for lack of ability. Stood in George Foreman’s corner. Ali stayed in Archie’s training camp for a short while when Ali was a kid. Archie gave Ali a broom to sweep floors to humble him. Ali left as one might expect. Prime Ali beat Archie when Archie was elderly. Elder Archie knocked down Marciano in the second round in 1955, but Marciano came back. Archie Moore was far, far more than a boxer. A very intelligent, wise man who understood the power of the mind, endurance and hard work.
Same as sonny liston,he never and nobody ever knew his real age
*ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW.*
Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Rocky was the best.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
ROCKY MARCIANO: THE EPITOME OF PERFECTION!
Must we forget little 5' 9" Yvonne Durrell was career Welterweight turned Middleweight. This fight was in 1958, Durrell weighed 172 and Moore weighed 173. Durrell lost 24 times and was KO'd 9 times. Directly after this fight Durrell went back to fighting debut amateurs. At best Durrell was C-LEVEL undercard boxer.
there's a book in Winnipeg public library about him "the fighting fisherman" been there for decades
Heroic battle. Two warriors
The 1950s were the golden years of boxing
For light heavyweights yes. The Heavyweight division was horrendous. Rocky only weighed 184 when he won his Heavyweight title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his Heavyweight title. Worst Heavyweight division in boxing history. Today's Heavyweights Zhang and Bakole weigh 290.
Sonny had an 84" albatross reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67" flyweight reach. A 17" reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable.
WARRIORS!!!
Archie Moore what can I say top 10 greatest of all time along with Ezzard Charles the greatest Light Heavyweight in history look at the Man’s Record the amount of KOs didn’t he have 156 KO s omg Legend this man was a legend never got the respect he deserved or mentioned with the all time greats but he was love the Great Archie Moore 😢
that fight looked absolutely brutal both men give and took a lot of punishment
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!*
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
@@Stout_Krout_German lost my father to that - absolutely terrible disease to pass away from
@@chriscope7292 I'm sorry for your loss
How does Archie speak so well after a 100 fights and all those punches? Geesh.
Heart discipline. Patience Archie Moore was 💯💯
Might be one of the greatest bouts of all time. That crowd was on their feet from the 2nd round on. They knew what they were witnessing.
Inspirational ! Your title for this feature , unlike many promotional exaggerations for youtube content , was no such ensnaring ploy . From my own perspective , it arguably WAS the best pugilistic recovery I've ever seen . Fantastic ! And Archie's reflections on the event , expressed with refreshing modesty , pensively contexualizing the episode as epitomising the edifying reality of the human spirit's ability to overcome adversity , did him further credit . Thank you for sharing this footage .
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
Zhang - 290
Bakole - 290
Joyce - 280
Fury - 275
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Lennox - 250
Parker - 250
Foreman - 250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Anderson - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Wilder - 225
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 222
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
*Moore - 175 light heavy champ from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 with shortest ever 67" flyweight reach.*
If size doesn't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since Little Rocky's Little era 4 generations ago?
😊great to see his story. My dad and I watched this live, and were thrilled at his comeback. Thanks
Archie one tough cookie, respect to both fighters
Archie Moore, the philosopher.
A great competitive fight ,neither fighter gave up ! Cheers Eddie
True grit😮
That was awesome never seen this video. Thanks for sharing wow just amazing. ❤
The Late, Great, Archie Moore was 44 years old here 😳❤️😳
*ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW.*
Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
Amazing fight
Ive watched this 5 times in 24 hrs it takes my breath away soooo awesome
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf,
and this
is the best
little Rocky's little era had to offer smh.
These guys aren't topnotch professionals,
more like good Golden Glove boxers.
What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about?
*Watch their fight! It's there!*
*Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!*
*Analyse the fight yourself!*
*It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!*
Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
One of the most inspiring videos I’ve ever watched-
37 year old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17 years"* with *(68)* fights and *(96)* fights before two million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing Marciano. *Louis' speed and punching power had all but evaporated evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights!* Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, 184 lb Rocky was just entering his prime.
40 year old cruiserweight Walcott had already been fighting *"22 years"* with *(68)* fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. Walcott being granted (6) title attempts in a (5 ½) year span (1947 to 1953) proves how shallow the division was. *And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!* This is important. *Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months (1940 to 1944). Rocky himself said Walcott was only 90% @ 'The Marciano Tapes 3'.*
Walcott's most notable victories include wins
over light heavyweights Charles and Maxim.
Combined Charles and Maxim lost (54) times.
*Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
Light heavyweight Charles with the lowest ever 42% KO's had already been fighting *"15 years"* with *(95)* fights before facing Marciano in 1954. *Charles was already showing signs of ALS against Walcott in 1951.*
*Charles was 100% factually handicapped when he fought Marciano!*
It's in Ezzard's biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff.*
*Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
42 year old light heavyweight Moore had already been fighting *"20 years"* with *(178)* fights before facing Marciano.
Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was." -@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears*
Wouldn't that put Archie in his mid 40's?
This was Rocky's last fight and he's only 31.
Moore continued to fight till he was 50.
*Who did Rocky fight when he was 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 and 50 years of age?*
How many times would Rocky have lost if he had *(220)* fights like Moore had?
*Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
In summary *Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. Marciano never fought an all-time great in his prime and he was only 31 when he had his last fight.*
It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was over-accomplished* (overrated). *He was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10" exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. The biggest overachiever in the Heavyweight division. 188 lbs was just too small."*
( @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight )
Puro corazón los dos, que pelea!!!!
Archie had Marciano beaten in round 1....but the ref allowed Marciano a standing 8 count to recover from a knockdown (the standing 8 count had NOT been agreed on, pre-fight)
what a lesson in life..
Hail Archie!
Tough man
Classic fight
Boxing's most courageous man in all history. From July 14, 1936 to March 15, 1963, Archie Moore fought (anywhere) the toughest, meanest, most vicious punching sluggers in the middleweight, light-heavy and heavyweight divisions. Here in Australia, he is still greatly esteemed.
Liston never quit anything! He bravely fought till he was 50 while Rocky quit at 31. Rocky was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. Rocky also quit on his own kids and wife to sleep with thousands and left them penniless-- *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993*
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Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
*EXPLAIN HOW (178 TO 186 LB) TINY CRUISER MARCIANO GOES FROM 7TH, 8TH, 9TH, 10TH PLACE DURING THE 1960's AND 1970's TO THE 4TH GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024?*
Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800's is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe.
Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES, imagine that?
'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles and Moore were technically light heavyweights and Joe Louis' once speedy reflexes were now non-existent. The Algorithms only acknowledge Rocky fought 4 Washed Hall of Famers and went 49-0.
Reminds me slightly of Carl the cat Thompson v David Haye have a look at that one .
Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′ 1″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
Brought back in 1994 as a special consultant for foreman when he fought michael moorer. After 9th round he told foreman you have him in your "parlor" buy have to get him now. Rest is history
One tough mo..fr.. was Archie
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf,
and this
is the best
little Rocky's little era had to offer smh.
These guys aren't topnotch professionals,
more like good Golden Glove boxers.
What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about?
*Watch their fight! It's there!*
*Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!*
*Analyse the fight yourself!*
*It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!*
Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
One tough sob
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
Gotta be. Gotta be.
the 44 yr old Mongoose.. what a truly great fighter..
I had the pleasure of meeting Archie Moore in the lobby of a hotel in San Diego back in 1995. Not only was he a gentleman and actually looked me in the eye to make human contact, rare today, when I reached out to shake his hand he fist bumped me. That was the first fist bump handshake I had ever experienced. To this day I believe Archie invented it! 😂
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf,
and this
is the best
little Rocky's little era had to offer smh.
These guys aren't topnotch professionals,
more like good Golden Glove boxers.
What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about?
*Watch their fight! It's there!*
*Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!*
*Analyse the fight yourself!*
*It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!*
Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
Archie Moore had the heart of a Lion !
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
Foreman, probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that "Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back-up and revert to boxing."
The decathlon is the ultimate test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason. A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early thirties that still had his reflexes fully intact. Joe Louis' prime years were in 1937, 1938, 1939 when he was 23, 24, 25 years of age. Ali's best years were during his twenties. Mike Tyson's best years was in his early twenties. Yet for some unknown reason Rocky fans believe Walcott's and Moore's best years were in their forties. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason.
Archie did not train for this fight…he said he was training while the fight was going on….in their second fight, Archie did train and destroyed Durelle.
Another video badly infected with the toxic comments of "Durango_Kid", "Gone_Fishing335", "Grizzlied555", "AlienObserver-wi2pb" and "lordburlap4514" who's actually "black David Frost" the most prolific Rocky Marciano hater on TH-cam. Black David has at least 14 different burner accounts showcasing his hateful personalities.
I can't stop laughing 😂😂😂😂😂
Boxing Historian Monte Cox wrote: “Liston was made to be a fighter. His physical attributes bordered on the freakish. At six-foot, one-inch, he had an eighty-four inch reach-longer than that of all other champions with the exception of Primo Carnera. His neck was a massive eighteen inches. But the number that leaps off the page-the statistic that looks initially lik' a typo-is that which corresponds to his hands. When closed into a fist, they measured fifteen inches around, virtually twice the size of an average man’s. To contemplate the impact of a fist that large, delivered over a distance that great, from a man so determined to do damage, would give even the bravest opponent pause."
A great fight. Who was the other man ???
Archie Moore once said about Durelle after being knocked down that this guy could hit. And then he got knocked down again and Moore said, he was convinced this guy could hit.
10th December 1958. The comeback of comebacks !
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf,
and this
is the best
little Rocky's little era had to offer smh.
These guys aren't topnotch professionals,
more like good Golden Glove boxers.
What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about?
*Watch their fight! It's there!*
*Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!*
*Analyse the fight yourself!*
*It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!*
Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
seen this fight many times. wouldn’t happen now because it would be stopped after the first knockdown. 🤷♂️
He used to by my favorite boxer. He was over 200lbs but could get down to light heavyweight. It seems he'd gotten something from the Aborigines. He fought years before he got famous. There wasn't much about boxing he didn't know. They used to give 3 ages for him, all in the 40s. He did well acting in Huckleberry Finn as Jim.
He started his professional boxing career in 1935 and didn't go over 200 lbs till 1957 when he was old.
Happens on occasion that a fighter has his opponent very nearly beaten early on but that fighter survives and comes back strong and it seems as if the expectation that he thought he had the fight won but didn’t causes the spirit of the first fighter to collapse!
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf,
and this
is the best
little Rocky's little era had to offer smh.
These guys aren't topnotch professionals,
more like good Golden Glove boxers.
What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about?
*Watch their fight! It's there!*
*Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!*
*Analyse the fight yourself!*
*It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!*
Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
No quarter asked for or given. These were true fighters
They were no different than the hundreds of thousands of pro boxers that came before them or after them. The only difference was the officiating. It was definitely more dangerous back then. They couldn't careless about the fighters safety back then.
Light heavyweight Archie Moore started out fighting dozens of welterweight and middleweight nobodies. His record is so padded it's ridiculous. He'd be destroyed against light heavyweights Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster. When Archie was middleweight how would he have done against other middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler? Heck, little low power Charles beat him 3 times, little Patterson obliterated him, and little Rocky smashed him. Every time Moore stepped-up in competition he got KO'd.
The Ring magazine ranks Liston as the tenth greatest Heavyweight of all time, while boxing writer Herb Goldman ranked him second and Richard O'Brien, Senior Editor of Sports Illustrated, placed him third. Alfie Potts Harmer in The Sportster also ranked him the third greatest Heavyweight and the sixth greatest boxer at any weight. Liston was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1991. *"Charles L. "Sonny" Liston was particularly known for his immense strength, formidable jab, long reach, toughness, and is widely regarded as the most intimidating man in the history of the sport."* - The Ring Magazine
That was a quick count at the end.
Little Rocky's style will play into Liston’s Giant hands, as it will violate one of boxing’s holy grail rules and that is, “never slug with a bigger slugger.” Especially when that slugger’s name is Sonny Liston; simply put Liston does it all better than Rocky and also has height weight and major reach advantage. I can see Liston’s jab being an even more formidable weapon than usual in this matchup as he won’t have to go looking for Rocky. To put the concept of reach into perspective, you have Liston with a monster 84” reach compared to little Rocky's 67” reach- this would be decisive. I would favour Liston in a big way. Marciano gets flattened faster than Patterson!
Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to tiny flyweight reach Rocky if he met any of those monsters!
Little Rocky's fighting weight ranged from 178 light heavy to 186 tiny cruiser. But what's worse than that was his incredibly short reach which was the shortest in boxing history. By way of comparison today's bantamweight phenom Naoya Inoue's 67½″ reach is longer than Rocky's 67" reach. *"Boxing and other combat sports divide competitors into weight classes in order to prevent injury, ensure fair competition and provide a more exciting fight. The heavier opponent will have an advantage as they have increased muscle mass, allowing them to hit harder and withstand strikes from their opponent more easily. It is for this reason that combat sports separate fighters based on weight class."* -- by MMA Combat Sports
I dunno. Rocky got knocked down 58 times by Drago, but came back to win.
Wow! Nowadays a fighter breaks a fingernail and he’s traumatized.
IKR??????
THEY'RE AS SOFT AS "SILLY PUTTY!!!"
today he would have lost because it would have been stopped
The Mongoose WAS A BEAST! I have no idea what these guys got paid for this fight ...I do know it was about 5 million dollars too little!
Archie was great, but his corner should have told him to lead with his right...He lands it with power every time he leads with it in this fight..
Archie was the best
Heavyweight to ever live. That is not to say he was the greatest but the most skilled. He had the left hook, the jab, the right and phenomenal defense. His skill allowed him to fight way past his prime.
Moore weighed 173 lbs in this fight, how is that Heavyweight? Moore was Light heavy champ from 1952 to 1962, how is that Heavyweight? Moore weighed 148 lbs vs. Kid Pocahuntas who also weighed 148, how is that Heavyweight? Moore was entered into the Hall of Fame for what he accomplished at Light heavyweight, Not Heavyweight!
@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD I He fought the best HEAVYWEIGHTS of his era. Rocky Marciano, Ezzard Charles, Cadillac Williams and when he was 48 he fought Cassius Clay. These were all sactioned Heavyweight bouts. You have a problem?
@@waderivers99 Forgot Patterson. And what happened in every single one of these Huge Heavyweight matches? He was obliterated, shamed and humiliated. So how exactly was *"Archie the best Heavyweight to ever live"?*
@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD Do something with your life. You are wasting oxygen.
@@waderivers99 Oh dear, oh my, someone's extremely upset bcz their silly nonsense was exposed LOLOLOLOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHA 😂
Another video badly infected with the toxic comments of "Durango_Kid", "Gone_Fishing335", "Grizzlied555", "AlienObserver-wi2pb" and "lordburlap4514" who's actually "black David Frost" the most prolific Rocky Marciano hater on TH-cam. Black David has at least 14 different burner accounts showcasing his hateful personalities.
Much bigger, much stronger sluggers like Liston Foreman Ibeabuchi would knock little Rocky into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any shots of his own.
You are forgetting, Mathew sad. Mohammed fight. Won championship.
Mathew Saad Muhammad had a lot of comeback fights and when he was still Matt Frankin.
In the last 30 years this fight would have been stopped in early rounds with TKO loss for archie. The rest of it is kind of pitiful it has not much to do with skill but with anatomical resistance to knock down. Black having a somewhat thicker skull bone.
Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Sonny's power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Little 184 lb Rocky was never tested against a real genuine prime topnotch 200+lbs Heavyweight let alone an authentic prime topnotch Super Heavyweight. In comparison Mike Tyson weighed 220 and was 3x faster.
when you see bravery and guts like this from a 44 year old man it sickens me to watch todays crop of upcoming fighters getting great pleasure beating the crap out of some poor hand picked loser and clowning around showing no respect or class in the process and i bet archie was robbed blind by the promoters of the day
You don't know what your talking about. Durrell was the hand picked career Middleweight bummy loser. Today's light heavyweights Beterbiev and Bivol would smash both these guys within seconds.
Who is Archie fighting against?
00:05 Yvon Durelle
"For pro fighters, even a relatively small difference in weight can lead to a huge advantage. Weight classes eliminate this kind of disparity, ensuring that skill remains the most important factor in determining the victor. With fewer weight classes, a smaller boxer would have poor odds of ever becoming a champion, no matter their skill." - by Rick Thomas Sportscasting | Pure Sports April 14 2020
Today's average Super Heavyweight weighs 250 with 80" reach. We'll never see 165 lb Fitzsimmons, 175 lb Burns, 181 lb Charles, 182 lb Patterson or 184 lb Marciano as Heavyweight Champions again. These guys were from 3, 4, 5 generations ago. It's over with. Rocky was too small. Bye bye.
Il più grande peso mediomassimi di sempre a 48 anni era ancora campione del mondo ha fatto piegare le gambe all'imbattibile i Marciano più di 250 incontri la metà vinti per ko persi non più di 15 e solo da pesi massimi
Allora non si usava il getto della spugna, i secondi aspettavano l'autoambulance.
That background music is abhorrent.
Great comeback but not against the GREAT MARCIANO. 😂😂
1:25 durelle knocked down Moore, more than Marciano.
LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf,
and this
is the best
little Rocky's little era had to offer smh.
These guys aren't topnotch professionals,
more like good Golden Glove boxers.
What's everyone waiting for? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see Layne and LaStarza in action? See what they're really about?
*Watch their fight! It's there!*
*Don't just automatically assume they must have been good!*
*Analyse the fight yourself!*
*It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!*
Don't trust me, witness LaStarza vs. Layne yourself to understand how *"dreadful"* that division actually was.
The film is slowed down a bit though ... Speed is off but, you get the gist....I have seen this fight dozens of times...
I’m not sure that was the greatest comeback. Joe Louis was getting taken to school by Billy Conn and losing badly when Conn got KOed. Or, Foreman KOing Moorer late
almost no combinations - these guys were blowing single jabs and hooks, I also saw an uppercut here an there. But imh opinion neither boxer was great, really
Moore was trying to recover from a devastating start. That meant taking fewer risks, avoiding being exposed by throwing meaningless combinations. Greatness is not always measured by how attractive he is to the public, but by the resilience and heart he demonstrated. Archie Moore faced more real challenges than Canelo, Mayweather and Paquiao combined. If he wasn't great, I don't know who could be.
@@ChampionsAreForeverexactly ageless Archie Moore was as skilled and as tough as they come
Shouldn't have lost that. Durelle should have not let up. Moore was beaten. Fight should have been stopped after 3 knock downs. What's with that damn music?
This is an edit buddy, you can find the entire fight on TH-cam without music if you want
1. You're only beaten if you stay down.
2. The three-knockdown rule is neither universal nor obligatory.
Only the WBC has the 3 knockdown rule, this fight was before the WBC was a sanctioning body
No standing 8 count. No checking fighter or step forward. Archie had the years in service and stamina engrained from all those years. Young guy gassed out.