I started making soft shackles myself about 3 weeks ago and I've had great success from them because I also used quality products. I think you've raised a great subject and I look forward to seeing your next video. I run my own 4x4 TH-cam channel and know the work that goes in behind the scenes to produce such regular content. Keep up the great work.
Mate hats off to you, heaps of effort coming out in all your videos. Ive been throwing your channel name around to anyone who will listen!! You 100% deserve a place on the content creators stage at the 4x4 show.
A place like that used to be one of my customers. It was cool watching them test straps and rigging. The noise some of those straps made when they "let go" was unbelievably LOUD. They sounded like an explosion.
Just found your channel a couple of weeks ago. I have a beach home in Massachusetts, USA., I really enjoyed your self recovery video in the sand. I pull out several tourists a season and, unfortunately, have gotten bogged myself. Fantastic tips! And a new subscriber 👍 I need to look into soft shackles, never heard about them before.
I'm new to this channel, but I have done some climbing, it's interesting the different mentalities of climbers and offroaders.... Climbers, use the best gear, and are not afraid to rig up and make their own gear from ropes. I start getting into the offroading community and I was surprised by the number of people that would just state "trust the expert" while I'm looking at their custom modded truck that they drive in daily lol.
What are the commercially manufactured soft shackles rated at? It would have been fun to have one tested to breaking, so we could have a comparison to the ones you made. BUT I know that they're extremely expensive. Looking forward to the how to make a soft shackle video!
Just a thought, try knocking one up with two eyes on two tails back to the crown knot. That way the weak point will no longer be the bight. The bight in any line will always be only as reliably strong as a single length of the same line - hence the 1.5x.
The 17 ton rating is for ONE rope. These shackles are TWO ropes so they're breaking at much below their rating which is because the sharp bend at the knot brings the breaking strength down quite a bit.
Thank you for this! I{m in Mexico, I dont know how my feedback recommended me this video but I{m happy it did, thansk for the info, and for going the extra mile to the destruction test. Cheers!
Ha! Went to subscribe after lurking on your vids for a while... and I already was! Keep up the good content! Looking forward to how ya made your soft shackles.
Wow! This was an awesome video. I was always wondering how these would hold up along with any other dyneema splice. I sail more than I recover, so I've got several brummel splices on my boats. It's also good to know about the cheap dyneema. Again, thanks for that! I'll continue to use my Samson Amsteel.
I was told by a shackle seller that the knot should be in the middle when using a soft shackle, I wonder if that would of changed the results even though they’ve held up very well.
That tells us nothing, I could say lots of things and back then up by telling people i work in an industry so they should believe me. I’m just asking what specific information you have to back up that claim. Many manufacturers tell you to put the knot in the center.
How important is that knot. The failure is always in the loop. My gut feeling is that the knot isn't very critical, and all the tapering is cosmetic. It would be interesting to see some comparative testing and detailed examination of the actual failure point. Keep up the good work.
So let me get this straight...you make the shackle and test till it fails to know what its rated at? I can see this going on for years...and no usable shackle. :) I think I'll run with the un rated shackle - TBR so to speak - To Be Rated. Really looking forward to the next video on how to make them. Thanks Michael, very good video and info.
So the Gray shackles were 12mm dyneema wich broke @ 26 tonnes My question is was the blue no name / rated shackle 12mm as well ? It just looked a bit smaller in size and most cheap winch ropes are 10mm If it was 10mm the 16tonnes is still good effort for 10mm rope . GREAT work there mick . Ive been using 10mm dyneema self made shackles for a while now and all seems good so far 👍
Hey just to be clearer, the one we see break in Perth was it 12mm? The three samples you show.. the cheap light blue one what Dia is this one please. Can we please explain if you used the same amount of rope in all 3 samples and if so please weigh all three for a true measure of qty of rope for the Dia given. Cheers
I shore soon your going to be asked. So i do it first. Where do you buy short lengths of rope. The cost of full length is high and is ok to go on a winch is ok. But to make shackle. Good testing. I have been involved in testing for a few years. A tip. After making roll knot under foot on ground. It will pull fibres together. Russell.
Wow That is impressive Love your movies mate keep em coming I definitely don't /won't need to teach you anything about knots. For the rest of you If you can't tie knots tie lots. Cheers Bruce
did you use the spliced eye on the ends of your rope for the monkey fist or the loose end monkey fist, the eye version is apparently stronger if you haven't seen it check out sailing zingaro's video on it
I was thinking of getting a soft shackle , i wouldn't make one though . What about the already made soft shackles , you should do a test on some those to see if they are up to scratch but obviously you would have had to pay to have the test done so maybe not :-)
Great vid - but you keep saying "tons" - hope your viewers know you mean "metric tonnes" because you are using kg units - one "metric tonne" is basically equivalent to 2,240 pounds - or 2.2 tons in imperial units. So for us American blokes 26 metric tonnes equals about 28-29 tons. That's another couple imperial tons of beer pulling force right there - leave no beer behind - right?
not interested in rating a soft shackle, however in a do or die situation why not just double up? reality is you need equal to or in excess of whatever load you put on it. who cares as long as it keeps you truck out of the river, right? I am going to make some soft shackles to save weight. wish me luck.
Legend has it that no matter what he breaks he would still smile. Great video mate.
I started making soft shackles myself about 3 weeks ago and I've had great success from them because I also used quality products. I think you've raised a great subject and I look forward to seeing your next video. I run my own 4x4 TH-cam channel and know the work that goes in behind the scenes to produce such regular content. Keep up the great work.
Look forward to seeing how you did it. Might give it a go myself. Great video again thx 👍🏼
Michael your content and video production skills are top-notch. I hope the time invested is worth it and you continue to produce content like this.
Honestly mate it's people like you that keeps me interested in the 4wd world. Love your videos.
That was awesome. I’ve tied a few of my own and have good results. It’s always fun to “Push it to the limits.”
Mate i watched your maxi track recovery gear video rip off vs propper ones. Ever since then i cant stop watching your vids. Bloody amazing
Mate hats off to you, heaps of effort coming out in all your videos. Ive been throwing your channel name around to anyone who will listen!! You 100% deserve a place on the content creators stage at the 4x4 show.
Seek Adventure branded soft shackles?? :)
A place like that used to be one of my customers. It was cool watching them test straps and rigging. The noise some of those straps made when they "let go" was unbelievably LOUD. They sounded like an explosion.
Miss seeing your vids. Hope you’re having fun out there.
Just found your channel a couple of weeks ago. I have a beach home in Massachusetts, USA., I really enjoyed your self recovery video in the sand. I pull out several tourists a season and, unfortunately, have gotten bogged myself. Fantastic tips! And a new subscriber 👍
I need to look into soft shackles, never heard about them before.
More great content and imaginative presentation, good work!
Great video and also looking forward to seeing how to make your own soft shackles.
I'm new to this channel, but I have done some climbing, it's interesting the different mentalities of climbers and offroaders....
Climbers, use the best gear, and are not afraid to rig up and make their own gear from ropes. I start getting into the offroading community and I was surprised by the number of people that would just state "trust the expert" while I'm looking at their custom modded truck that they drive in daily lol.
Great video Michael.
What are the commercially manufactured soft shackles rated at? It would have been fun to have one tested to breaking, so we could have a comparison to the ones you made. BUT I know that they're extremely expensive. Looking forward to the how to make a soft shackle video!
Many Professionals says that FYBEX Soft Shackles are the BEST on the MARKET:)
thanks for this informative video!
I was literally just thinking about making one yesterday as an experiment and you come out with this ,thanks for the great info
Great clip mate look forward to next one 👍
Just a thought, try knocking one up with two eyes on two tails back to the crown knot. That way the weak point will no longer be the bight. The bight in any line will always be only as reliably strong as a single length of the same line - hence the 1.5x.
The 17 ton rating is for ONE rope. These shackles are TWO ropes so they're breaking at much below their rating which is because the sharp bend at the knot brings the breaking strength down quite a bit.
Well done mate very good effort and well shown how to test loads of safety equipment
Thanks for the effort
Cheers mate
Thanks you for sharing test video, and result! Very usefull and appreciated!! Great Video, from Italy!
Looking forward to the DIY vid for making your own! 👍🏾
That's super cool 👌😎👍 would love to see some more destruction testing 😍
Great clip mate
Thank you for this! I{m in Mexico, I dont know how my feedback recommended me this video but I{m happy it did, thansk for the info, and for going the extra mile to the destruction test.
Cheers!
Ha! Went to subscribe after lurking on your vids for a while... and I already was! Keep up the good content! Looking forward to how ya made your soft shackles.
Great bid mick. We need more "how I built/fixed it".... Like your winch rope eyelet vid the other week
(which I used to make a gurdel strap)
Wow! This was an awesome video. I was always wondering how these would hold up along with any other dyneema splice. I sail more than I recover, so I've got several brummel splices on my boats. It's also good to know about the cheap dyneema. Again, thanks for that! I'll continue to use my Samson Amsteel.
If you can, could you do this again with a brummel splice on a straight line?
Good onya for doing the testing, its good to see you can make things at home and they can still be good quality if you do it right.
I was told by a shackle seller that the knot should be in the middle when using a soft shackle, I wonder if that would of changed the results even though they’ve held up very well.
That's actually not right it should be at the end for maximum strength. Testing ive done proves this
What testing have you done? That’s a bold statement to make with nothing to back it up.
Frank I break shackles for a living. Literally! my job is Director of product development for an off road company.
That tells us nothing, I could say lots of things and back then up by telling people i work in an industry so they should believe me. I’m just asking what specific information you have to back up that claim. Many manufacturers tell you to put the knot in the center.
Well Frank Given this is a TH-cam comments section ill just leave you to believe what you like and move on.
Awsome vid mate. Ive been wanting to make my own, and now i have a guide to go with.
How important is that knot. The failure is always in the loop. My gut feeling is that the knot isn't very critical, and all the tapering is cosmetic. It would be interesting to see some comparative testing and detailed examination of the actual failure point. Keep up the good work.
So let me get this straight...you make the shackle and test till it fails to know what its rated at? I can see this going on for years...and no usable shackle. :) I think I'll run with the un rated shackle - TBR so to speak - To Be Rated. Really looking forward to the next video on how to make them. Thanks Michael, very good video and info.
Wow this is impressive! So we no who is selling some soft shackles now haha na all jokes aside great info on these
So the Gray shackles were 12mm dyneema wich broke @ 26 tonnes
My question is was the blue no name / rated shackle 12mm as well ? It just looked a bit smaller in size and most cheap winch ropes are 10mm
If it was 10mm the 16tonnes is still good effort for 10mm rope .
GREAT work there mick . Ive been using 10mm dyneema self made shackles for a while now and all seems good so far 👍
Nice one Micheal 😎👍
Hey Michael thanks for the good info...
Great vid mate.
great idea, well played. thanks for the information. Cheers
How do the home made ones compare to the commercial ones?
Mate, love your videos and great little tips. Please continue ………… my favorite next to Felix Immler !
Very interesting! Thanks for making this video it’s very informative!
As they say, "Go big or go home"... Try it with the 1.5" or 2" diameter rope that is often used for recovery ropes...
Great as always mate.
Hey just to be clearer, the one we see break in Perth was it 12mm? The three samples you show.. the cheap light blue one what Dia is this one please. Can we please explain if you used the same amount of rope in all 3 samples and if so please weigh all three for a true measure of qty of rope for the Dia given. Cheers
Very interesting stuff.
Awesome stuff to know, thanks for sharing.
Wow that’s awesome, that’s so cool, would be so keen to buy some
Another Great Video!! 👍👍
Man! I was sooo impressed...and then you went off and described a maximum force in units of mass (kg). Oh well. Still a good video.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram-force
Wind River kg is not kgf or kg_f - read the article yourself.
@@tundracamper www.dictionary.com/browse/colloquial
Love ya work mate keep it up 😎😎😎
I shore soon your going to be asked. So i do it first. Where do you buy short lengths of rope. The cost of full length is high and is ok to go on a winch is ok. But to make shackle. Good testing. I have been involved in testing for a few years. A tip. After making roll knot under foot on ground. It will pull fibres together. Russell.
Wow That is impressive
Love your movies mate
keep em coming
I definitely don't /won't need to teach you anything about knots.
For the rest of you
If you can't tie knots tie lots.
Cheers Bruce
I love learning here
did you use the spliced eye on the ends of your rope for the monkey fist or the loose end monkey fist, the eye version is apparently stronger if you haven't seen it check out sailing zingaro's video on it
That is pretty damn awesome!
mate ive searched all of google for a week, and i still cant find a decent BT50 forum. is there anything u can suggest?
Captain tying knots
Been saving up all our used dental floss for the project. It'll be great.
I'm more on the guitar string reuse, dental floss seems legit also 😂
Hi what Dia rope was it.? Maybe you said but I missed it cheers
Thanks for the vid very interesting.
Why don’t those engineers use soft shackles!? Lol.
Because those shackles will be in the vicinity of 100+ tonnes ensuring repeatable testing since they are no where near their stress point.
Aron Marden it’s was only a joke mate.
@@Phil_McAvity ahhh - I'm used to stupid people on the internet. Ma bad fam ✌️
What knot is used to tie the soft shackle?
Does anyone have a link to the dyneema he used in the video? Google search turns up a ton of diffrent links. Thank you.
Nice !
I was thinking of getting a soft shackle , i wouldn't make one though . What about the already made soft shackles , you should do a test on some those to see if they are up to scratch but obviously you would have had to pay to have the test done so maybe not :-)
Start making some videos again 🤘
U need to come back
fun & useful ✔
Contact Ronny Dahl. Would love to see you at the show
"Cheap" Dyneema?
You can increase the strength by using a correctly designed knot .
🍻🍻
Great vid - but you keep saying "tons" - hope your viewers know you mean "metric tonnes" because you are using kg units - one "metric tonne" is basically equivalent to 2,240 pounds - or 2.2 tons in imperial units. So for us American blokes 26 metric tonnes equals about 28-29 tons. That's another couple imperial tons of beer pulling force right there - leave no beer behind - right?
Clever
Mate if you make and sell some I’ll buy them from you
not interested in rating a soft shackle, however in a do or die situation why not just double up? reality is you need equal to or in excess of whatever load you put on it. who cares as long as it keeps you truck out of the river, right? I am going to make some soft shackles to save weight. wish me luck.
Whoever did that shackle test is a boob...those metal shackles were turned/positioned 180 degrees from intended usage.
Notice anything about the test rig. Yep all steel, not synthetic to be seen. Tells you a lot.
I can't say that I have ever seen a test bed made out of anything but steel Shane! But it makes sense, steel is cheap and strong 🤷♂️
ill stick to 12 ton iron shackles aint gonna be fiddling with mud covered rope
All very goods .. but far moore interestings .. dumplingkts .. golden syrup dumplingkts....😁pip pips and carryon
Every time you use the word virtually in the wrong context I cringe. Other than that, good videos.