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DO IRON SHAFTS MATTER? // Reviewing the Most Popular Steel Shafts of 2022
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- We're in the TXG Fitting Studio to test and compare the most popular steel iron shafts head to head for performance and feel to help you understand how they can have a positive and negative effect on ball flight.
This video also offers insight into how shafts that are intended to create a particular ball flight perform against each other and to help you make an informed decision about what shafts you should use.
0:00 // Intro
3:12 // True Temper Dynamic Gold X100
4:53 // Project X 5.5
7:32 // OBAN CT-115
10:11 // Nippon Modus 120
13:56 // True Temper Dynamic Gold 120 S400
16:12 // ProjectX LS
19:08 // Results & Conclusions
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Would love to see a video where the only thing that changes in the iron is swingweight and how that effects things. Start at say D3 and then keep working up one swingweight point by adding lead tape. Swingweight is something that has a ton of confusion around it and would be great to get some clarity on its effect on the golf swing and at what point the effect becomes noticeable.
In my own testing recently I saw really different ball flights with PX 6.5 and TT DG x100, but what sold me permanently on PX 6.5 is feel and timing. When a shaft fits right, it becomes more effortless; you don't have to "work to make it work." Great stuff lads!
I’ve been battling for years with the notion that shafts really don’t matter when it comes to anything other than feel and strike consistency and this video helps validate that theory.
As one who works in the metals industry, I can tell you that while the seamless tube may not have a weld to deal with, it does have to contend with concentricity issues. This simply means that the wall thickness is more consistent on a welded tube because it starts as a rolled sheet while the ID to OD positioning of seamless tube tends to move around more because of the inherent forces of the process itself. Now that doesn't mean the manufacturer can't sort and scrap tubes that vary outside a given parameter, all I'm saying is that the process itself is more prone to what we call "runout."
In my experience, the process of extruding or mandrel forming the tube eliminates any core shift, so thickness doesn't vary, barring any process defects, like air entrapment or pressure vessel leaks.
@@charlieodom9107 It might be worth mentioning that my industry is medical devices, specifically things like permanent implants and clot pullers, filters, and stents. So I'm talking about variances of
@@booberry6715 1 one thousandth of an inch is not negligible, so it matters, even in golf shafts.
@@charlieodom9107 Interesting. I'd love to see some product specs / drawings. I wonder what their tolerancing is really like
I had c taper kbs 115 stiff lite and yes that was not a consistent shaft at all
Looking forward to a comparison of Project X LZ, IO, LS.
@@BuffaloNickel9 I used the LZ A couple years ago and switched to AMT red after a fitting. Pretty sure I got more distance from the LZ but I was using 6.5 and needed 6.0 and Titleist wasn't offering that at the time
Project X?
Good to see Ryan and Mikey again. Mac is awesome but glad to see these guys are still around. The more I see Mikey the more I like him
Another example of how TXG is the top of the mountain in fitting. Three great fitters providing honest data and Mikey showing how best fit is best fit regardless of price. Modus 120 wasn't the most expensive or the most exotic, it was the best fit and that's integrity for the viewers and much appreciated!
A lot of your shaft comparisons are 3 and 4 years old. You also tend to focus on the shafts for tour and stronger players. It would be very interesting to see a test of light shafts with regular flexes for players like your senior demonstrator and us seniors. Specifically I would like to see a comparison of the Project X LZ 5.0 110 gram shaft, the Project X IO 105 gram 5.5 shaft, and the KBS Tour Lite Regular flex shaft at 95 grams.
TXG provides the best golf content and info on TH-cam. I’d book a fitting, if only you were based in Australia!
That makes two of us!!!
I've never been good enough to notice any differences in the shafts except for the weight, so it's cool to see.
Am a 221 type of player and just got fitted and went with 225 there absolutely insane clubs recommend to everybody
Got fit into zx7 irons with Fuji Pro 85s at the beginning of last year. My iron game has completely transformed. Getting out of heavier steel but still with a stiff profile helped counter my miss of a dumped under, toey hook, which usually happened late in rounds when fatigue set in. Currently according to Arccos, I'm gaining 2.4 strokes on approach compared to a 3 handicap. With my previous gamers (z785 with PX, bought off the rack), the best round I had with them was +1 strokes gained, but usually averaged around 0 to -0.5, very excited to see the next installment comparing the best graphite iron shafts!
I enjoy your fitting videos, but here in the states, I don’t know anyone who fits like you guys do! Just have to wait to hit the lottery so I can bring my buddies and family to see you.
Your comment at 7 mins about how a heavy shift is delivered by some rung a bell with me. I have a pretty quick swing speed or around 7iron 89-91mph but struggle with angle of attack at 0-1.5 . High ball flight so always get fitted for c taper kbs x stiff. Working on angle of attack and getting better after 4 years off but very interesting how these heavy x stiff shafts may be working against me 🤔 you guys are comfortably the most informative and detailed guys I watch. I'd happily pay to fly over for your level of understanding. Hopefully 1 day I will🤞
1 thing I would also add is I always go towards feels. Iv no idea why but iv never liked a true temper shaft at all in any flex even though I know that is prob the most played shaft with the pros. I used to have the project x 6.0 then its been kbs x c taper. Not tried the newer project x ls though. The modus x I felt realy kicked at the bottom and it felt nice but to un stable if that makes sense and true temper x100 and s300 just feel dead to me. The kbs feel really stable but also have that project x kick. Might be absolut twoddle but that's the feel I always get. Switched from Nike to blades to p790s when started playing again for ease and get the ball flight/spin down. Hate the short irons though as just rockets. Hoping get back to steady low single figures and get some mizunos. 221 223 miz but deffo not ready yet lol
I've been playing DG S300 for a number of years and was fit into them again back in the fall for my ZX7s. Unfortunately they were short on 9i and PW inventory at the time with a potentially long backorder. My fitter and I settled on the PX 6.0 LZ as an in stock alternative, and I've been getting along with them very well so far, even with the difference in shaft weight. Great video for the state of the industry right now!
I have been a long time S300 player. I had the same thing as an alternative with PX 6.0 LZ. One thing I noticed is that I have been a draw player my entire golf career, with the LZ's the ball goes right. I am not sure if it is a weight thing or what. Other than I shot lowest all time round earlier this year with the i210 LZ 6.0 combo, so I guess its working!
Have you noticed the LZ's being draw resistant, or is it just my swing lol
@@clrandgolf My longer irons have a bit of a leak out to the left (Im LH) and the LZs have been no different. I have been finding I do hit more straight shots with the mid and low irons rather than them having a little more draw... But the ZX7 heads also have a lot less offset than my old clubs which may contribute as well.
@@timmoyer6421 I will say the LZs are super straight. I am a major golf tinkerer, I have been wondering if it because the shaft is 10 grams lighter and that contributing to it.
Interesting point about interpreting feel. I find stiffer and heavier shafts easier to swing, bizarrely they feel less effort to me.
Went from KBS $ taper 130’s to Proj x LS 120 and changed everything. $$$ I was closing the face to quickly and working hard with the swing to a nice and easy effort and ball flight. Took a 2nd opinion from a fitter to work that out.
Another great video gents! I got fit into a set of MP-223’s with the Modus 120. I couldn’t agree more with the comments made about that shaft. I was seeing similar numbers in my fitting with the KBS Tour but the feel of the Modus really tipped the scales for me.
What flex are you using in the 120s?
I remember doing a true temper training and seeing a video from them saying that the shaft has the least effect on ball. Head and ball do more. It’s more of a feel thing and can influence how you swing.
That sums it up perfectly, very important part of the system but don’t expect it to dramatically change your ball flight!
When I played steel shafts in my Irons I always preferred the feel and performance of the Nippon Nodus shafts and hated the feel of the Project X shafts and always struggled to load them correctly.
I just switched from Project X to Modus 3, same here I could not load the Project X now with the Modus getting great load, I did go from stiff to regular too now based on swing speed loss due to age.
@@HiralPatel007 getting older sucks, but it's better than the alternative👍
You spoke to the Modus 105 and 120. What would lead you to pull one vs the other?
I would imagine it would be timing of delivering the club and feel. Someone may love the feel of 105 but losing the shaft and club position through the swing. So go up in weight to gain timing and consistency. Exact opposite from 120 to 105; 120 may be too heavy and can’t control the face to path so go to a lighter shaft to increase speed and gain ability to move the club
When you test the graphite, insert the Steelfiber shafts into the work. Hugely impressive, but amazingly expensive.
A very useful follow up to this could be weight relative to stiffness. I know it usually and most often, goes hand in hand, but there are a lof ot offerings that are fairly stiff but at the same time, pretty light. A modus 3 tour 105 have the same torque as the LS shaft tested in this video.
Wow really?
So are you saying the modus 3 105 is pretty much a LS in 105?
That's interesting because the motifs is one of the shafts it is considered softer I thought
Recently had a fit and timing device is the perfect description! I had some very different feels and better strikes with 2-3 shafts compared to others. LOVE these videos!!
Great video guys. Got fitted into the Pro 223 with Dynamic Gold 105. 3 Shafts gave similar data, but the feel of the Dynamic Gold was by far the best.
I've played KBS Tour for years. Moved into PXLZ and really liked them for a year until my elbow started hurting. Went to Aerotech 115s. Elbow got better. Tried to go back to LZ then KBS. Can't do it. I'm a graphite guy now I suppose.
Switching over to graphite in my new irons for the same reason 56 years old with a lot of city miles on the chassis. Looking for a little relief got fit into the 225’s with the Accra ITour series 110 in a stiff. Really effortless to swing with great feel for my swing
I've been eyeing those Accra's for a while. Probably will grab one eventually and see if I like it although I love my Aerotechs so no real need to switch.
@@jacobmccain8082 that’s the point of a fitting whatever works for you I loved them you might try them and be meh. Having played DG S300 for almost forty years mainly because choice was limited for weekend warriors for many years it’s exciting to have the choices and places like TXG to properly fit you. Wasn’t cheap but I don’t spend much on myself so the wife was go ahead treat yourself
Great education for people in this video. I struggle with low launch and spin even with using tp5x. Ss with 7 iron is around 93 but went from s300 to modus 130s and the difference is stark. I also got more loft too.
Hey guys watched a few minutes of this and a thought came back to me that I hope you'll clarify for us. How much do you see people need to get used to different shafts? Often we see people in your videos go directly from one to another and then critique the swing/product. Would think especially for shafts it would take a while for people to adapt. Great example of this was with Matty and the Autoflex. Videos of him would have the first 2-3 shots going wildly right until he adjusted. And most of us aren't that capable.
Absolutely great info. I went back to DG X100 and love the feel and performance. The last fitting and again on this one the fitter pushed me to go with a Project X and I just didn’t like the feel.
In my fitting with Dean launch angle was affected greatly by the heads I tested. The shaft definitely was chosen for feel and ease of delivery for my swing. I chose a shaft that felt easy to swing I play for fun and didn’t want to work hard to swing it
What shaft did you go with my friend
@@BuffaloNickel9 Accra iSeries Tour 110. I’m 56 years old have played the OG Dynamic Gold S300 for almost 40 years making the change to graphite to save some wear and tear. Tried MMT’s but the Accra’s felt really easy to swing and time up. Fitted in February should come any day now, I hope
I have to say that watching your videos is so informative. It really does highlight the benefits of getting fitted because there are so many variables at play to making use of the golfer's skill-set, speed, etc, to their highest potential, while maintaining that confidence-inspiring feel through the clubs. Did I hear that you may be coming to Ottawa? That's where I am. If you guys were to open up here, I would definitely be making a visit.
I got fitted last week and coincidentally the dynamic gold S300 shafts were what I ended up with, and they should arrive in only three weeks! I appreciate the advice you give in your videos, it really helped me prepare for the fitting. To the point of the video, the fitter let me try the stock shafts and they felt gross.
I have played kbs over the past several years with the a nipon modus as of late. I just order a set of Wilson D9 forged with s300’s and I had forgotten how good s300’s were! Love the set!
Hi Ian RB & Mike Great 👍 Video, First I think you now have the perfect TXG set up, With Ian & RB presenting & Mike hitting shots, you both work together perfect 👍 Describing the shafts & analysing the results , and Mike seems much more relaxed hitting shots and then commenting on feel & preference, Loved the data breakdown & how it’s shown & discussed,
Please can do the same shaft test with Graphite & Fibre shaft’s with slightly lower swing speed for all us Senior Golfer’s out there 😃and chat about the A, R, & S flex shaft’s & at which speed’s are ideal for each flex (using a a Titleist T300 type Iron) Thanks Dickey 9hcp 75year Senior Golfer UK
I dd a shaft fitting with my new irons and saw major difference between steel and graphite. 9 yards more carry yet lower spin with graphite. I use the Elevate 95 grams R and they create a better spin profile. They're shorter in distance by like an iron for me, but they stop faster and that's what matters with irons. I can throw the Ventis graphite into my irons and get another iron in distance but they spin almost an avg. of 1,000 less so continue to release on the greens. My point is the difference in spin profiles can be massive if testing graphite vs steel. At least for me it was. I decided to sacrifice the distance for more control and better spin.
Nice to see Mikey and RB back on the channel.
Excellent video! You guys are always super informative! Mikey is a ball striking machine too!!!!
I'm playing JPX921 Tours with DG 120's, and they feel pretty great. Decided to play around with 4 and 5 iron HMB's to add to the set, and eBayed them, with the idea of putting whatever shafts in them that felt good. 4 iron came with Nippon Modus 120, and the 5 with a KBS Tour. It's cool feeling the difference between all the three shafts. May actually throw the KBS tour into the 4 iron too, as they feel nice with the bulkier HMB heads.
Modus 120 in my Srixon ZX combo. Also like KBS S Taper but supply chain issues.
What flex in the 120?
@@BuffaloBarber24 Stiff
Great video. For us older folks with slower speeds (Me: driver 93-96, 70 iron 76-79) would you test some graphite shafts? Perhaps MMT 70 R against Recoil Dart 75 F3, Cypher 60i and the R flex Graphite Design shafts? It would be nice to see whether the above shafts are as similar to each other and the steel shafts. Thanks.
If someone is dead set on getting graphite for their irons, are there really no other options besides just the lightweight weenie shafts 50, 60, 70, 80 grams?
I say weenie shafts, because I would actually like to try some graphite but I'm nowhere close to needing anything that lightweight..ive played anywhere from 120 to 110 grams...
I'm normally fit for a stiff but I think I fall somewhere between stiff and regular. Maybe a soft stepped stiff or double soft stepped stiff for irons.
I certainly don't need graphite but would like to try some.
They don't make anything up to maybe 105 or 110 G graphite huh?
@@BuffaloNickel9 I believe the MMT runs from 60g to 125g.
Would like to see a bigger weight difference test. Like 80 gram up to 135.
Wanted to do a 223/221 combo but the in stock options had different shafts. Went with a full 223 set and don't know if I could be happier. They're so good.
what shaft did you go with on the mizuno 223 and what is your ball speed?
@@rahul8466 before these irons I had the ZX7's with Nippon Modus 120x, bought the 223's with 115s and they just didn't feel right. Put some DG TI X100 in there and they're dialed.
@@hunterlent1583 how did you like the 120X?
@@BuffaloBarber24 They were great! I actually just took out the X100s and put in the x100 120s and they have been so good. Like them a little more than the nippon personally.
Interesting not to see a KBS option, I have been loving my $ taper 125's
It's crazy KBS is one of the most popular shafts right now
I game $taper 130 and it has been fantastic, previously played x100
Because many KBS shafts aren’t available and might not be until 2023.
Why show what can’t be bought?
@@mikeh197 Didn’t know they weren’t available! I just bought a set and installed them last month didn’t realize that they were part of the shortage
@@NickPage so it may not be all KBS but the popular ones like C Taper and $ Taper are basically gone until 2023. I know people that ordered mizuno irons that basically were told if you want your irons in 2022 you need to change shaft or we can cancel your order.
You can still get the Tours but that’s about it.
Look forward to this one. Currently getting my modus 105x into AMT White soft stepped
X100 or S300?
Did you try Modus 125x at all?
@@ianporzondek4414 S300. Bit of extra tip length to help peak height.
I've the 125's in my wedges, do t care for them alot. Pretty sure ki k point is grip end with them
@@CraigalFun that makes a lot sense. I had X100 AMT White and switched to Modus 125. I have trouble loading the X100s consistently, especially on flighted shots. I find the Modus 125 very active and I'm really liking it. The X100 feels really heavy in the handle to me for some reason, even though the Modus 125 pretty much weighs the same.
@@ianporzondek4414 yea Modus are much easier to load but the weight in AMT helps me time and find middle more often.
I get alot of toe down with the modus also
@@CraigalFun I could see that. It's cool to hear what other guys feel with different equipment. Thanks for sharing!
Interesting video, but I’d find it more interesting if the test covered a variety of swing speeds, just looking out for us senior players, thank you.
Mikey's only swinging it 84mph. Any slower and moss would grow on his north side. Watch Dr. Kwon's videos on increasing club speed, they work. I'm 56 and swinging my 5 iron around 100mph now after watching his videos
Mikey's only swinging it 84mph. Any slower and moss would grow on his north side. Watch Dr. Kwon's videos on increasing club speed, they work. I'm 56 and swinging my 5 iron around 100mph now after watching his videos
Any comments on the Project X IO shafts ?
Great video as always gents. I thought it could be worthwhile to show numbers on a shaft that is tough to get and then show other options with similar numbers that would be easier to get. Maybe a follow up video?
Great video! I've been wondering this same thing lately as someone who drives the ball at a scratch level with my fitted driver, but strikes my irons at a 25 handicap level (stats via shotscope). I've been wondering how much of a difference new irons would help as based on my driver swing, I feel I should be a lot better with my irons than I am. I do have a higher swing speed of around 110-115 mph with driver and prefer a heavier head weight. Maybe you could do a similar video with swing weight adjustments in irons since it seems shafts don't make that big of difference(at least for Mike)?
@@habitualflipper5640 Based on shot scope, I miss mostly to the right or short. 19% of GIR. lol I used to play a fade, but this year I've been hitting push draws with my irons and a little fade to a hook at worst with my driver. When I got fit for my driver a couple of years back, I was hitting my mizuno mp15 8 iron as a warm up and was a few degrees down and generating around 8000 - 8500 rpms of spin. I am much more shallow now and take way less divots. It's possible that I am hitting up on my irons now, but I'm not really sure as I haven't been on a monitor this year.
@@stupidshot4PC 100% believe you because I'm very similar.
First off, and these are all my best guesses as these specific stats do not exist for me, I drive the ball about an 8 handicap.
I hit my irons at about a 19 handicap.
My short game inside of 80 yards and chipping is a +5 handicap. ( yes you read that right). My short game 80 yards and in specifically chipping & Bunker shots one hop and stop for tap-ins leave me grinning sometimes and are the sole reason I'm a single-digit handicap.
I putt to a 4 handicap which helps as well.
I'm also somewhat shallow with my irons.
Let me ask you this- when you used to be steeper with your irons were you a better iron player then.. In other words, has your iron play gotten worse?
You've got to be hitting some Shanks, (we all do) or how often do you hit major chunks ?
@@BuffaloNickel9 I used to be a better iron player. I think I'm hitting it further with irons now though. My 34 degree mp15 7 iron goes 173 (performance average through shotscope) yards. It was probably closer to 160-165 before. I don't hit too many shanks really. I used to, but now it's more of a hit way out of the toe. I do hit a lot of chunks or thin shots. I'll chunk/thin probably 4-7 per round between wedges and irons. I used to have massive divots, but now I barely take any. Almost zero problems with misses like that on driver, 3 wood, and hybrids.
@@stupidshot4PC Sounds like you swing too intense with irons. Best move is probably to get a few lessons and control your effort, timing and weight transfer.
Interested to know why PX 5.5 was chosen. Isnt that vastly different flex to the x100?
You put my mind at ease with my recent purchase. Very eye opening. Thanks for staying neutral and scientific in your approach to these videos.
Would have loved to see how the Modus Tour 115 stacked up in this test. Especially with Mike's love for the 120s.
The exact same as the 120s and pretty much all the others...
I would have liked to see the modus 105 as pretty much everything he hit was in the 120 and up Weight Wise...
I got fit for kbs tour 90 stiff.. and they’ve been discontinued.. what would be the recommendations?
kbs shaft tend to spin a fair bit. i would go with the modus 105, that would have the most similar feel
So excited to have you guys in AB. Looks like I'm driving 3.5hrs south for my wedge and wood fitting!
The whole gang is top notch. Bring Mac back was just icing on the cake!
Can you do a comparison with the project x lz shaft? Awesome videos and very informative. Love it.
I have recently changed from KBS Tour C-taper 120g to TT S300 and very happy. S300’s have better feel for me
True Temper came out and said that shafts makes the smallest amount of difference in any golf clubs. Pretty sure they sell a few shafts and have been for a long time. Find a shaft in the correct weight and feels/loads correctly for your golf swing and there is no reason to change until the swing changes or you lose power.
Lol every time I say this online anywhere I get a mob of people going “the shaft is the most important part of the golf club!!!” And telling me, a club fitter like these guys, I don’t know what I’m talking about 😂
@@jazzyjay4595 it is important but not what it does to the ball flight, more so what it does to someone’s swing. A slow swinger might prefer a heavier stiffer shaft because it activates something in their brain and vice versa.
@@jddang3738 you don’t have to explain it to me my friend. This is what I do for a living 😂 but if we’re trying to manipulate ball flight, the shaft is, obviously, barely going to make an impact
@@jazzyjay4595 Oh I wasn't trying to tell you. Was trying to expand or add on. Like, those who say "shaft is the most important part" are correct but for the wrong reason!
What flex in the Modus?
what flex in the LS?
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Wow TXG gets bought by CC and now they spend 2 minutes pushing how Oban shafts are manufactured better than other shaft brands. Awesome content!!
Hahahaha, wow that’s your take from this.
would you consider this for graphite irons?
Great video guy's, as usual. My shaft, Modus 130x, doesn't get much play as it's lighter brother. Would love to know what you guys think of it? Who you tend to fit it for? I find it so easy to swing relative to it's weight and stiffness.
Ian would it be possible to do a review on the oban shafts .
It’s on the channel
@@TheDeepsilver only iron shafts.
Hi. Which one of these shafts would be similar to the KBS $ taper lite stiff shaft. Thanks. Great video as always
Love the channel. Hope to come for a driver fitting soon
Long wait times for the Oban CT now. What is a reasonable alternative?
Great Video! With the supply chain shortages, what’s the best alternative for S-taper 125? Is Project X LZ 6.5 miles away? Is LS closer?
LZ has been my go to shaft ever since it came out. Hated project x with a passion until they released LZ.
That's what I am in now with my 223s. Love them! My buddy told me to try the LZs. My fitter wasn't going to have me try them and they ended up being the best for me out of what I tried.
I just got the mmt 105 stiff and they are great was in dg 120 s for past few years picked up distance and feel great
Recently got a set of Apex 21's in like new condition with PX 6.0's and really like them. I had been using S300's forever. Little lower flight I feel like but little more accurate for me. I also had a set with dynalite s300's. I liked those for a 3/4 swing but on the course with a full swing I prefer the heavier, stiffer shafts.
I tried fitting many times in the past 20 years. Now I just buy single iron with the shaft I guess I would like and play for a free month to see if it works or not.
I wish you guys would discuss KBS more since it's such a standard no upcharge option from most manufacturers.
So which one was the right one given THIS test of the AVAILABLE shaft Ian? Also, this goes to show the complexity that fitters have to address given a fitting. Hence, two key elements of a fitting was already established...ie. the ball and club head.
Ian said the ball will produce more difference in height, spin and distance than the shaft. It would be interesting to see Mikey demon the shaft that works best for him with 5 or 6 different balls, both in terms of compression and manufacturer, so see which one produces the best results for him at his swing speed.
for me, im still trying to figure out if we are suppose to feel the head of the club as the heaviest point on the swing, or the entire club throughout. i have the elevate 95g shafts, while they are great, does seem like i feel the head of the club more than anything and does make me tend to tense up my fingers as i grip it on the swing. should i be going with a heavier shaft or stay with what i have as it helps to keep track of where the swing is
No, you definitely want to feel the club head so you know where it is in space throughout the swing at all times!
You never want to be guessing or lose feel of the club head. That's always a Certain way to hit a poor shot or chunk.
You can demo a 105 or 110 why not?
but I don't think Shaft-weight is the culprit for your tense grip.
I certainly don't see many people playing the dynamic gold Elevate shafts but they're actually not a bad shaft. At all. Anyting d.g. is going to be reputable.
Are there better shafts than elevate?
For me yes. For others, Elevate is the perfect shaft.
Did I put the Elevate off for the longest time and then was I super impressed when I actually tried it? You bet.
Are you swinging a regular flex?
It's personal preference.
I got a fitting and I drew the ball from 2 degree flat up to 3 degree upright. The guy said that I need to work on my swing. I tried graphite with a 1 inch length. 6'4". 1/2 longer. I have the Nippon 105g stiff. 7Iron . Swing speed 105. He said I may need a lighter shaft. I dont know? I dont mind drawing the ball. Just not consistent. I used to hit it straight. I had my right ankle re[placed. Now i can push off. I am stuck. Probably flipping my hands? I used to hit 130g straight. But the 5,6 were short. Getting good info with the video.
For feel, flex, and weight yes it matters. But gimmicky “high spin” “low spin” doesn’t seem to me to be a real thing. Maybe I’m wrong but in irons, the spectrum of shafts and difference between them is much narrower then in woods or drivers.
What iron was he hitting? 6? 7?
It’s the operator! I dislike all DG shafts, Oban felt horrible. KBS is meh, but PX and Modus shafts just suit me.
Excellent Comparison very informative.
Would like to hear the reason anyone would go 223 over 225. Watched your videos on them and just can’t figure that one out. Turf interaction?
225 is a distance club , 223 has more feel on the lower clubs (being forged). 223 has more spin off the face. Cost, the 223 is cheaper 🤷♂️. Don’t know honestly, I got fit for the 225’s but didn’t want to pay 1800 for a set, found a set of 223’s with the same specs for 1200 and couldn’t be happier.
@@TheSleepArtist we already know that in a blind test people cannot feel a forged from cast head. It’s more about design.
New drinking game. Every time Ian says “ definitely” you take a drink
Awesome stuff. I assume all the swingweights were similar? By the way, happy to mail up a 6 and 7 iron KBS $-Taper 120 shaft for you for testing purposes. I have an extra set at home.
Could you do a video demonstrating the effect of elevation? Consider peak height, land angle, uphill/downhill, and slope adjusting rangefinder accuracy.
Been playing Modus 105’s for some time. Before that NSPro1050 so basically the same shaft since 2008. Never got on with Project X, 5.5-6.0. They always felt like they kicked too early in the downswing.
Wish you would have included a couple of KBS tests as well
Great video .so many kernels of knowledge
Great content boys, Mikey is a machine 👍
I use project x loading zones, nearly a 5 month wait for those!
Great video guys. Would love to see a similar video which compares steel to carbon. As a Modus 105 player who has arthritis in his hands I would love to see what vibration dampening shafts would be comparible to the 105s that I love.
accra icwt 95i or up. cheers 🍻
I went from Steelfibers to Modus 105. I put vibration dampening inserts in them to help out my bum wrist. They work great & aren't expensive.
If anything questions whether iron shafts make a difference after watching this, I'd recommend watching my iron fit.
I'm very curious as to why you compared DG X100 to the PX 5.5? Or is it a typo and meant to be 6.5? It would be interesting to know the flexes of all the shafts you tested
Curious as well…
Agreed.
X100 and 6.0 would be a better compare
I think this was a typo, was probably meant to say PX 6.5 not 5.5 but that's just a guess on my part
@@nickhaynes363 I think so too but was thinking that maybe the firmness of PX made it more comparable to the DG 120 S400, which was what made me uncertain
I have 3 sets. I was testing a lighter shaft for an bit and tried a set of i230;s with DG105 - big mistake. A set of 223's with PX LZ6.0 and they work and have some pop but don't feel stable . Then I have Apex Pro 21's with S400 and they feel stable but no pop from the shaft - Sigh...
I think feel is big. I've had a few fittings the past few years where with some clubs or shafts I just struggled to find the middle and I think it was because of the feel.
Proves to me that the shaft flex and profile are for the most part are nonsense. Its more to do with feel of the golfer.
Would have been nice to have seen a 'blind' test. Interesting to watch tho, thanks.
I was fit into the Modus 120’s in my ZX7’s around this time last year. However, after doing a lot of work on my swing, I’m finding they feel too light and almost whippy. Bought an X100 and put it into a random 6i head I had laying around and I really like the feel.. but I’m no fitter. Wish I could get up to TXG!
I was fitted into the Zx7s with the project x ls 6.0 at TXG. Was super happy right up until I wanted to order them. 15 plus phone calls with no answer, 2 emails gave me another number to call, more answering machines and now I'm going to a Srixon fitting at a local golf club and ordering through them. 8 week turnaround is bad enough but when nobody answers the phone to take my money for 3 weeks it pretty much makes my new clubs usable for next year. Great business for fittings, poor customer support and follow up. Consider yourself lucky you can't get up here.
Where does the Elevate tour shaft fit in this group?
shit shaft.. lol
@@ohhdanni9422 oh yeah?
@@PHOBIAx57x yeah stock standard in some Callaway. They seem quite high launching and spinney
Would be interested to see you guys test really cheap shafts like the Graftech Lite, FST and others that are around 10-20 bucks a shaft
I wish project X LZ was in the list! Please do a review on the project XLZ shaft
Mikey killin' it yo!
What happens when you have a high swing speed, for example a 90mph with a. 7i, but aren’t that built / gave muscles? Will a 120g XStiff shaft be too heavy in the longer irons?
Should throw a kbs max 85 in there for comparison, it’s a really popular stock shaft that launches and spins different