2024 3D Printer Tier List
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- How does your favraite 3D printer compare to others? Let's break it down
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0:00 Introducing the Tiers
6:22 Box of Crap
7:41 Frustration
9:10 It Works
10:35 For Pros
12:00 Fun for All
13:11 Recommendation!
17:00 You get what you pay for - บันเทิง
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Get a closer look at the tier list on the blogado: www.3dpprofessor.com/2024/05/22/2024-tier-list/
This is a 3D graph!
I love it!
Attempt at some time stamps,
For the ones explicitly mentioned
0:10 Previous tier list overview
0:45 New tier list introduction
1:50 let's go over the teirs!
1:56 What is "Reccomendation!"?
2:38 What is "Fun For All"?
3:13 What is "For Pros"?
3:32 What is "It works"?
3:56 What is "Frustration"?
5:06 What is a "Box of Crap"?
5:22 The Y Axis? Tier Graph?
5:45 Z axis graph? dots?
6:10 other factors
6:22 Starting with the "Box of Crap"
6:26 Goofoo Cube
7:41 Let's jump up to the Frustration tier
7:49 SV07
8:30 easythreed k7
9:10 let's see what Works
9:48 SV04
10:35 consider for the pros
10:42 ender3 s1 pro
10:59 prusa mk3s
11:37 JG Maker Artist D Pro
12:00 let's talk fun for all
13:11 who is in reccomendation?
13:25 AOSEED X Maker
14:30 toybox
15:22 Creality K1
16:06 BambuLab A1 mini
16:40 BambuLab X1 Carbon/Combo
17:00 looking for a pattern
Thanks for the breakdown. I forgot the time stamps when uploading.
@@3dpprofessor you're welcome 😁
It's not exhaustive, only for the ones you felt the need to point out
Alongside the A1, I think the FF A5, Neptune 4, and Qidi Q1 deserve recommendations. These are probably the top 4 for value and quality rn.
I went for a KP3s 3.0, couldn't be happier!
maybe you should have named the "it works" category into "needs improvement"
That's definately the vibe. It's like when your kids come home with all "D"s in their report card. Do you focus on the negative or the positive?
@@3dpprofessor well, I would say "C" grades : D, but yes. speaking of which, I just bought another 3d printer, a cr-10. part of the "needs improvement" can also be in the users skills
yep my SV07 hs been a nightmare to both get working and keep working, I am so mad at makers muse for recommending it, it was a good lesson to not listen to youtube recomendations
Liked this list, thanks. I agree on the S1Pro as I have a few of them and the included documentation is awful. There are numerous YT videos thankfully to supplement for Creality there. What I have found is that once I upgraded the Y-axis to linear rails and upgraded the level adjustment springs, wheels, etc. I ended up with a pretty great printer. I'd found the majority of my issues came from the bed and I wanted to eliminate those issues. Then I attached them to a Sonic Pad and updated all the motion/image shaping and now they are pretty amazing. I probably could have bought better to start with the added costs and work but I really like how the upgrades have really upped the performance as well. Also upgraded the nozzles to hardened 500C.
I still have 2 Ender 3 S1 + Sonic Pad, and i hated every second they were stock. I had upgraded the hotend to the ones on the S1 Pro, added the lights of the S1 Pro, changed the CR Touch to have Zero Y Axis Bed Levelling (this made wonders) and also updated the fans to 5015 with MODULR DUCT 5015 FAN by Zuff and my only complains rn is the speed compared to my Bambu Lab P1S. I really wonder if investing on the Linear Rails for X Y and Z axis would help me in some way, now that gulfcoast-robotics doesn't exist anymore I would really appreciate some input in that regard. Also could you help me telling me what kind of Nozzle/Hotend/Extruder are you using?
I have the JG A5 (older version of the A5S) and it makes sense being in the "it works" category. That being said, I've modded mine beyond recognition and it runs awesome now!
Frustration tier still available, Tronxy X5SA, I've bought 2 of them. One is now a Voron Trident.
I have 9 kingroon kp3s running almost nonstop. The only issues were the heat break fan failing on 2 of them, easy cheap fix. Cut the filament at an angle when loading.
Have a couple older Enders and bought a Bambu P1S Combo, then when A1 Mini price dropped to $250 I got one. Enders have been collecting dust for months now and will probably never get used again. The Bambus just print and print with no fiddling or upgrades. That said, there are lessons I learned from printing with the less sophisticated Enders (mostly the hard way) that continue to benefit me today. Some print problems even the newest tech hasn't figured out a way to solve....yet.
FF Adventure 5m is my first core xy. Not sure if you test it, but it has been nothing but fun. Very easy to use. Fast, and great quality.
I would love to test teh Adventurer 5.
I would recommend something like an BL A1 Mini, BL A1 or Prusa Mini+ for beginners any day of the week over a "it works" printer that's really just a bit cheaper. The BL A1 mini has such a low price that "it works" printers are just for the tinkerers. Maybe rename it for the next edition to make the tiers more about the suitable user group rather than subjective measures.
I'm not a beginner, I already have had a Anet A8, an Ender 3 first edition, and a Longer Orange. Now after a long break without a 3d printer, after careful consideration, I still bought a Bambu A1 mini. I considered every printer from 150€ to 500€, and there wasn't anything which ticked all the boxes like this one (apart the A1 but I wanted to spend less if possible and liked the compact frame)
@@lilietto1 I also started on an Ender 3 (albeit a pro). I now own 2 Bambu X1s. And I agree with that assessment.
The mini is utterly out of date, costs too much, and never even got all the promised features. I wouldnt recommend it at all in current year.
BL A1 Mini is real great entry level small form factor printer to dip the toes in. Picked one up without the AMS, and kind of kicking myself for not getting the AMS. [not that I could really afford it at the moment but still] And it's going on sale for even less with their 2nd anniversary sale starting tomorrow. At $200 without the AMS I don't think there is a single printer out there that ticks all the same boxes and stays price competitive. The only real sacrifices it makes are build volume, and it has a slideshow of a camera feed. But otherwise, it's fast, quiet enough I don't need to put it in an entirely separate room and supports an AMS system for 4 color or multi-material printing, as long as you don't absolutely need a larger print space, it's great.
I admit a small amount of bias, due to my own purchase and enjoyment of the printer, but my only buyer's remorse is I just didn't wait a little longer and get the combo. Won't make that mistake when I buy my next printer. Definitely getting an AMS.
The P1P is similar to the X1C minus the frame/walls, lidar and ability to print high temp/exotic filaments. I think you can upgrade nozzle and I know you can print your own enclosure.
The P1P can't print ABS? Thanks for the warning. Now i know i can pass on it.
@3dpprofess Yes it can if you make an anclosure for it
@@3dpprofessorP1P has an upgrade kit to make it a P1S. Adds walls, doors, fans and filter, etc. that said for the small price jump the P1S is the way to go unless you have a clear use case that only needs the P1P capabilities. Like in a print farm for PLA.
Being a visual artist i really like your channel very much, highly appreciate your work and find the art of how you make it also really good and amazing.
I got my first 3D-printer - an E3S1PRO - just on last Christmas (with a little help from Santa) - following a phase of avoiding 3D-design for two decades... Finally, also with some help from your online-lessons, i could get back to Blender and now i'm making different things using Blender and FreeCAD mostly on a daily basis. And btw. - the E3S1PRO has turned out to be an ideal printer for someone like me :) Thank you very much for your work and your inspiring example. All the best wishes!
I'm more of a visual artist myself. That's maybe why my list is skewed the way it is.
@@3dpprofessor sure, you are. In my view in first place the special individuality of your channel and your list also constitutes it's biggest advantage. When being asked by some (grand-)parents in the past months, which 3D-printer they should buy for their children or grandchildren, i have been relying on your expertise and actually recommending your videos. Thank you!
Qidi q1 pro? Great video
I have a Kingroon KP3S and an Ender 3 V3 SE and in my experience the SE is a better printer. It is a bit bigger, has auto levelling and auto z offset and runs faster. Also, my KP3S has XY skew (which I compensate for with a python script but that is an extra step). The SE was also less expensive and was it was easy to replace the stock build plate with a textured PEI build plate which works nicely for PLA and TPU. I imagine you can't test every machine but I do like the combination of features the SE has and if I had wanted to spend a bit more I would have gotten the KE. I think it is wonderful that there are budget printers available that also essentially just work with very little assembly.
I don't want my printer connected to the cloud and I don't want to run it from my phone. I keep phone apps to a minimum. I prefer to run software on my own computer where reasonably possible.
You've been watching Jill Bearup's armor ratings haven't you...
Is that the woman who does the fight analysis? I didn't know she did ratings as well.
@@3dpprofessor it goes from "kill me now" through "actual armor"
Missing the Voron and other opensource printers. I'd say pro for all those since they are more of a hobbyist kit.
Not missing. I just don't have the desire to build one.
I was just responding you asking what printer I though was missing from the list. You can always buy one of the prebuilt ones though.
A voron is to an X1 what building a kit car is to purchasing a minivan. Both great experiences, albeit for different audiences with different expectations.
I would agree with that assessment, though. Voron is for pros.
@@seanwoods647 One of those examples has a much bigger audience.
I just say to people who ask "get a return ender3".. price and usability. Way too many people are shouting about "get this £1000 one.. it's great" whereas my experience of these is they are way to much hassle to set up and use then find out you really aren't that interested after all.. Your first printer should be cheap easy to assemble and pretty much after that plug and play while you learn the ropes.. I like my pair of Enders.. one has been upgraded to print high definition in pla and the other has an all metal hot end and I use it for ABS and other high temp nasty things..
Would I like a better printer?.. Hell yes, but can I justify the price for what I print?.. that's the big question..
FYI I network print using Linux.. which is very very far from "plug and play"
As long as you're willing to hold their hand until they have the necessary skills, because Creality won't.
I usually say with a few exceptions the amount of swearing is inversely related to price for 3D printers.
Some brands are the reasons not to buy there stuff. Basically Prusa, Voron, Lulzbot are the best you can get. We don't want end where 2D printers are now. 😂
For me "elegoo" is a reason *not* to buy it.
Voron isn't a printer brand as much as a philosophy IMO. I have the V0.2 and building it taught me a bit about printer troubleshooting and repair. To place it on the list I would put it in the "Frustration" category for the build, but the "For Pros" for use after the build.
I'm currently working on converting my Sovol SV06 to CoreXY. A printer that belongs in the "It works" category, getting "upgraded" to remain in the "It works" category, maybe "For Pros", but with better enclosure and smaller footprint.
@@GlennBrockett There are 2 types of 3d printing enthusiasts. One geeks out about the printers. The other geeks out about what comes OUT of the printers. This is the tier list for the latter category. And I know that my X1 owes an enormous debt to the pioneers in the former.
Wow you really need to check out the Q1 pro
I'll check out any printer they send to me.
Where do you think it'll land/
@@3dpprofessor the top, been working straight out the box for the past month or so non-stop every single day printing all day zero fails zero problems
Have you tried the Neptune 4?
I have not tried the Elegoo Neptune 4. Where do you think it would land?
I can't recommend K1 to many people, there are a lot users like me who had issues with k1 in forums, I knew the reason is also it is first coreXY printer for many people but I can't see same issues on bambu lab forums, it is quite a lottery since some parts has low quality and bad engineering, it can be a powerful workstation in some cases but I spent a lot of time to fix the issues that occurs randomly (skewed print bed, mobo failure, updated hotend failure, filament sensor failure, noisy fans etc). The good thing is you can fix all these issues but it is really time consuming for a expensive 3d printer
Interesting. I wonder if this was just an issue with early models, or if they still have these issues.
Missed are the Adventurer 5s ?
When I get one, I'll add it.
My first 3d printer was an early geetek. It was fun tinkering with, but It RARELY printed what I wanted to print.
I learned an important lesson...... BUY QUALITY, not price.... Got a prusa, and I have been beyond happy with it. There are other great brands that are cheaper
But the prusa kept me in the hobby without the pain, its nice. I dont really consider the bamboo labs an option, Closed ecosystem is not for me, but it does work. yup! I like your tier list, very good work!
I'm a little confused by your placement for the A1 Mini. You didn't list it as Combo, but even if you had it should have been to the left of the $500 mark as that combo is $399. If you didn't intend it to be with the Combo (like you did with the X1C Combo) then it should have been in between the $100 and $500. As it is it looks like you are saying it's a $600 printer.
Did I put it on the wrong vertical? I might have made a mistake there.
It's in the right tier either way.
Love the Qidi i Mate S. Too bad they stopped supporting this. (Yes they are; I have been having back and forth with their customer service people.)
I always thought the list was very fair and accurate!
Yeah, but fair and accurate doesn't mean useful. If someone question is "which printer should I buy" or "what printer would you recommend" or "Who is this printer for", then that list wasn't really helping.
Creality K2 out soon
I hope they send me one!
damn my artillery sidewinder isnt even on the list
Because I never got one. But, just guessing it would be a solid entry into the "it works" category.
Creality CR 10 SE ??
It Works.
You should put them on the lists if companies aren't actively selling them due to people selling used printers. Putting them on the lists will help people avoid buying or decide to buy a printer that is no longer in production.
That is an excellent point.
That said, if you're looking to buy a used 3D printer, and you can't find any information on the manufacturer, that should be a clue.
I am surprised Ankermake m5c didn't make the list.
It's there in the "It Works" tier. Just didn't merit a mention.
@@3dpprofessor Thank you. Now I have perspective on which direction to go in next for 3d printing.
I saw and XYZ printer for $50 at my thrift store. 165mm bed size. I hope someone does not pay $50 for it. Was not even guaranteed to work
Oof, that's rough. I mean, the parts alone might be worth $50, if purchased separate.
Considering how pervasive Voron printers are in pretty much every 3d printing expo and YT channel out there, I am very surprised that not a single DIY printer is on your list. Hack your top tier printers took heavy inspirations from the open source only to lock them down
Open source is where the innovation happens.
My top tier is where the prints happen.
And while I appreciate the open source for what it's provided, myself, it's just not for me. And that's okay. It takes all kinds.
I have anycubic kobra max and photon s not even on this list lol.
Nope. I've never got my hands on those.
Next time show images/video of the printer you are talking about, not all have seen/used the printers you are taking about
Please don't paint the Sovol and Artillery printers with the "Ender3 clone" brush. Not even close.
Tell me why you think so.
Because when I've used them in the past, I found they were a step up in documentation, and a step down in hardware quality. But maybe you've used a brand that I haven't and that's actually good.
Box of crap you say? *cough cough anet et4 cough cough*
I'm trying to remember if I actually got ahold of one of those once and ended up not reviewing it because it was DOA and unfixable. In which case that would definitely go on that tier. But I can't remember and I don't have any documentation about it.
I loved my Anet ET4+…until it caught fire. Then, not so much. Anet sent me replacement parts for free….ended up giving it away to a friend who ended up throwing it away.
@@3dpprofessorit would print for a minute then stop. No one could help me and one of their "ambassadors" gave me a hard time and called me names because I wanted to RMA it since I bought it new. I can cannibalized to to upgrade an ender 3 a friend bought me after I explained my frustrations with the et4 as a thank you for teaching them how to 3D model in Blender.
@@RynoDBonesOof... I'm surprised Anet still makes printers considering no one is reviewing them.
What printer manufacturer shows up 3 times on the recommendation tier? The most anti-3D printer community company currently in the market. You are entitled to your opinion, but I'm afraid I have to disagree this time.
I consider them the I-Phone of printers. If you are willing to let them handle everything, go for it. I prefer to tinker and repair my own stuff.
I’m not sure about anti-community but anti-open source is probably more accurate. I’ve had to do a number of repairs to my A1 (due to my own human errors) and it’s been quite easy. They give all of the documentation and demonstration videos needed and replacement parts are reasonably priced. The tools included are inevitably crap (as are most included tools with all 3D printers) but are at least serviceable. There really isn’t a need for a technician if one has even the most basic of skills with hand tools.
If getting successful prints out of the machine 99% of the time, and having negligible downtime for repairs and maintenance makes one "anti-3d printing"...
I mean, yes. It takes the technology out of the hands of hobbyists and puts it into the hands of artists and (cough) software engineers with an Etsy side hustle. Maybe its because I value what comes out of the printer more than the time I put into the printer. But I can respect a different viewpoint, especially those who enjoy the modding and experimentation.
I agree with you that "just printing" is attractive. The issue comes when parts wear out or break. If you can't obtain the parts or the parts can't be replaced (rails, bearings, etc). You are left with an expensive brick. it makes me wonder why some of these creators push these printers so hard. " If you can't repair it, do you actually own it, or are you just renting it until it breaks?" - Louis Rossman.
I've repaired mine. Several times. They sell parts and everything. And they're actually relatively easy to fix the most common issues. The rails and bearing are actually common parts, and the menu tells you when you need to lube them up again, so it actually helps you stay on top of your maintenance.
worst list i have ever seen in my life and there is not even 1 open source printer on that list
This should be called the lazy ass printer list and the top should be called the getting hacked list with all those bambus on top
This is such a myopic, echo chambered opinion.
Like I bet if you tried to justify it wed immediately find flaws in your reasoning. Probably why you didnt list any.
Prusa Mk3 and Prusa mini are both on this list.