This was one of the most exhilarating theatrical experiences I’ve ever had. That excitement to watch a long awaited blockbuster, and then for it to deliver and surpass its predecessor in every aspect is a rare thing.
That shot in the beginning with the Harkonenns floating up the hill was when I knew I was about to witness something monumental. It looked like ants going up an ant hill. Just brilliant
The whole period of the film of Geidi Prime, the arena and the scenes around it, was easily one of the most sublime film experiences ever. Possibly the most. Later, when the Emperor's ship flies over the desert and reflects the ground, I was just blown away. It looked jaw dropping.
Paul's attraction to Chani doesn't appear to be too quick in Part 2 when you take into account that he has been dreaming of her for the whole of the first movie.
Well, he has been dreaming of her. But he knows that she has Not been dreaming of him. He acts accordingly - despite his knowledge of their Future loving relationship. Paul's attraction to her happens in Part One of Denis' DUNE years ago. That shock of recognition and that near immediate softening of Paul's features and even slackening of combat readiness after Chani removes her mask and tells him she would, "not have let you hurt [my] friends" is noteworthy. That little smile that plays around Paul's lips after Chani says, "This is only the beginning," then turns to continue walking away after Paul and his Mom are surprised at seeing a Fremen riding a sandworm for the first time, is telling, too. Paul's knowing smile shows that he is looking forward to them expressing romantic feelings. Paul and Chani's sweetly awkward, warmth-building hug in DUNE:PART 2, when All the Fremen hug Paul after he chooses a Fremen name is beautifully nuanced acting by both Timothee' and Zendaya portraying their characters with an impressive deftness/sensitivity in showing shyness about their characters' growing affection and chemistry. Paul and Chani beautifully "dance" together in a gorgeously coordinated sand walk. Later, when Paul looks at Chani with such impressed delight and gentle longing when she shows him how that wind device works one evening, that she feels compelled to tell him to "stop looking at [me] like that," it's so indicative of her beginning to recognize how Paul clearly feels about her. And Paul & Chani later finally kiss on a sand dune when the sun is low. Then we even later see them after "the throes of passion" in their tent, when they are lovingly whispering in the afterglow to each other. And then later, what Timothee and Zendaya' call their favorite scene together of all - in which Chani tenderly comforts Paul when he awakens after a nightmare. Their love builds/grows organically. Again, Paul always knew they were made for each other and would have a great love, but, again, Chani does not realize that at first. Paul woos her with that in mind - so they would come together naturally at a normal expected pace.
@@sieraclayton1503Such an AWESOME analysis by you concerning their romance, especially when she joins him on the dunes and helps train him. That Zimmer score was insane! One of my favorite scenes!👍🏽😃
I went and saw this Friday with my 85-year-old grandfather and my mom and I was beyond blown away. I left the theater thinking I had just seen the greatest movie of all time I’m sure it’s a little recency bias but it just hits on every single note and filmmaking aspect. Also Feyd-Rautha is the monster we needed
People keep saying Dune 2 'was as good as Dune.' It was not. It was far better, in fact, it was one of the best films ever made. The theater experience of Dune 2 was amazing. It was quite literally the best experience I've ever had at a movie, and I'm old. I had a similar feeling at the premier of Star Wars, because it was so revolutionary at the time, but this exceeded that.
Denis set the bar high early in the film with the suspensor activation of the Harkonnens field squad -- created an eerie cat and mouse game, with all this modern tech - it was suspenseful and beautiful at the same time.
I think the best line was the second or third time Stilgar says “you see he’s humble, moadib would be humble” after Paul tries to genuinely deny the prophecy. It was almost funny a la Monty Python, Life of Brian… “Don’t follow me you’re all individuals” “yes, we’re all individuals”
That may very well be just a Freman thing. They thump their chest twice to summon their inner Shai Hulud so that they are invoking their 'god' (because the worms are _revered_ in Freman culture) in order to be with them when they go to do battle.
i couldn’t decide which was a better first viewing experience Oppenheimer or Dune Part 2…but then i immediately bought another ticket right after i got out of the theater. so i think the debate is settled. LOL
When you mentioned no sharp corners in the Giedi Prime architecture, I immediately pictured Baron Harkonnen getting stuck in a corner with his antigrav apparatus yelling "No more sharp corners!"
I saw this on IMAX the day after it came out. My god, it was an experience of a lifetime!🤩🤩🤩 and with a good audience too because everyone was glued to the screen and all of its glory!!! 🤯🤯
Bene Gesserit are able to control their bodies on a cellular level. So they can not only choose the sex of their child at conception, they can change the molecular structure of poisons rendering them non-toxic. Jessica does this to the Water of Life, which is still super concentrated spice essence which opens her up to receive the past lives Reverend Mother Ramallo gives her. And in the book she also is able to change the Water of Life itself for the spice ritual that the entire sietch participates in, which is when Paul and Chani first really get together.
The change to Chani's character is so important. The way she is in the film, she is a counter to the dark influences that Paul eventually embraces. She's there to seek freedom for her people, both from the empire and the bene geserits. At the end, he's there to seek personal revenge and acquire power for himself. Chani was with him right up until it became clear he valued the throne more than her people. By leaving, we better understand how far he's strayed. Chani is the hero of the movie, which is why she's the first person you hear speak in Dune 1.
Not true..In the Book Chani doesn't have a lot of says in the book..she was more of a love interest for Paul..depends on the director decision ..In the 1984 movie..Chani has keys point in the film to sustain Paul ascension to the Messiah figure..but not much ..Paul ascension was more from his own struggle from within as he live with the Freeman for years but He still has visions that he is dead from within unless he step into the the next step and that is to take the water of life what is called to do and take the chances of dieing from the water or be the actual Messiah
I love how truly tragic Stilgar’s journey from seeing little signs of Paul being Lisan Al Giab, to the very end of the movie when he’s literally Estatic to go on a Jihad and kill billions all in the name of Paul
The book came out in 1964! The year I was born. NOT the 50s. So, cool it with the "old" talk whipper snapper! JK, I know I'm old, just didn't expect to be reminded 2 minutes in.
Dune created Star Wars. Star Wars was a huge hit it then opened the door to make huge sci-fi movies which then in turn eventually lead to a nearly perfect dune film to be made decades later.
Great discussion! I’ve seen it three times now (twice in IMAX)! Between this movie and the new Shogun mini-series it has been a truly AMAZING week for book adaptations! 🔥👍🏽🔥
OMG yes! I love Shogun too! Best novel ever. I really felt so lucky this week. Got blown away by Dune then watched Dune again, then watched the first two episodes of Shogun. Can't wait for Tuesday's newest Shogun episode. I wish my local movie theatre would do a double feature of Dune I and Dune II. That's all I'm missing.
Uh oh! After hear y’all and others talk about SHOGUN, gotta see it now! Seeing DUNE 3rd time in IMAX (1st time IMAX and 2nd time DOLBY) this Sat so gotta catch up!😂👍🏽
I often dislike when movies changes too much, but Dune is one where everything else is so excellent and the changes ties well together with the main story that this is such a chefs kiss. LOTR was the last amazing epic book-films and for me personally this tops it if I try my best to remove nostalgia bias.
Loved Dune since I read as a Teenager many decades ago. Both Dune 1 & 2 are awesome movies and there are always Pros & Cons in any adaptation yet these were masterful. However, there were a couple of technical things I felt made it less 'realistic', one being the worms were as rigid as the studio floor with almost no movement & must have just farted for propulsion & riders not jerked around etc. Surfing would be harder than riding a sandworm. I think the 1984 movie was more 'realistic' on that point. A minor point I know & I've not seen any related comments.
Very hard to fathom the Worms not having so much time in the movie..I agree with you ..Dune is the Epic series since I was a young kid..yet I am willing to sacrifice some part of the movies adaption for more Dune Universe ..remember the 1984 movie? Sound weapons was not in the book at all ..they the director adopted that since they didn't have the technology to make the Weiding way on film..Also in the new Dune movie..the Weiding way was never shown to the Freeman..Freeman was just a guerillas warrior..I wanted to see Paul train the 100 of his top Freeman Warriors and than they train the millions of Freeman Warriors on a epic scale...That woukd have been Epic
100% Thousands of us around the world who lost themselves in the books as kids. I really liked part 1, but part 2, wow. Ive seen it 3 times in Imax in 2 days. Thanks Denis!
My favorite line was 'There are no sides' Something like that.... Just made me reflect on the nature of true power and control. When the outcomes reall7 dont change a damn thing b/c no matter who wins, you win.
My 2 complaints are that I expected more of the spice agony, like more trippy space and mind bending stuff. I do like the shots of alia being infused, and im fine with her being cut out as long as they do well with her in part 3. 2, Even in the book, I never felt Feyd was anywhere near a threat to Paul. They build him up by him killing totured and drugged prisoners and him being really ruthless. But, he never seems like a real challenge. He could have been built up more as a messiah type figure of his own and maybe had a little bit more to do. Like, maybe the bene gesserit could start training him in their ways, suspecting Muad Dib is Paul, and Feyd excelling in totally unexpected ways, maybe even him getting spice visions when he comes to Arrakis.
Good to see that these two movies bring new fans to the actual novels. The two kinda complement each other I think and once you are hooked on Dune, you kinda want to experience it in as many forms as possible, be it TV show, films, games or music, etc.
Having not reading the book, the final scene had me gripped and I thought Paul could die and his sister would eventually take his place. I thought maybe he isn't the one when he got stabbed. Then when he grips the blade I thought this is it, then he goes down with Feyd. What a suspenseful scene.
The fish-bowl helmeted people from the first film are not guild navigators, they are "representatives of the spacing guild" although when you look closely you can see that they are basically breathing concentrated spice and have blue eyes peering through their mask.
Yeah no way those were navigators, just representatives. Less funny than the representatives from the mini series, but that’s probably a good thing lol
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 I mean I had to go back and check, since there was little sign or mention of them. Thufir tells Leto that the trip required 3 navigators and I counted 5 representatives.
There is two other differences that I think is important to notice one I like and one not so much but I understand the chsnge. The first one is, in the book Gurney doesn't kill Raban and Paul denies him the right to kill Fayed, even tho he promissed to him he would. Therefore he cannot have closure. So I really appreciate the change in the movie. The other change is that in the book, the fremen ask Paul and his mother to train them in the art of combat. It's the reason they don't kill them at first. This omission suck. I think it creates value for Paul to the Fremen at first.
Question to You guys - Do you think "Dune 2" told the story, use, addiction and making of SPICE? Honestly, if I did not read the books - I would not fully understand, what "spice" is...
Same here as well..I am a true follower of Dune since childhood.this movie it didn't focused too much on Spice and it's usage..Spice is what made the power struggle between The Emperor's ..Duke Leto and Baron Harkoneen ..Spice usage give power and influences ..But the Director decide to focused more on the Houses fighting over the Throne and loss of the throne for the Emperor
Same here as well..I am a true follower of Dune since childhood.this movie it didn't focused too much on Spice and it's usage..Spice is what made the power struggle between The Emperor's ..Duke Leto and Baron Harkoneen ..Spice usage give power and influences ..But the Director decide to focused more on the Houses fighting over the Throne and loss of the throne for the Emperor
I absolutely enjoyed this film, though I don't think I'd consider it a masterpiece (but on a technical level it absolutely is). Maybe because I read the book, lol. I think the reason why so many purists of the book are a bit underwhelmed and confused by some changes in the film compared to the book is because we were expecting Part 2 to be an almost 1-for-1 adaptation of the 2nd half/lastThird of the book and that Villeneuve would finish his stint with Dune with Part 2, when in reality it seemed his plan all along was to make it a trilogy and include Messiah as its 3rd act, so I'm guessing some of the changes and plot threads that were left unresolved in Part 2 will be more relevant for the presumed Part 3. If one looks at it from that perspective, I feel better about the film and its changes, and will have a clearer opinion on Part 2 when Part 3 comes out. Surely lots of people probably felt the same way when Empire Strikes Back came out as they didn't expect it to be the middle act of a trilogy, and now it's considered arguably the best Star Wars film and one of the greatest sequels ever.
Im glad you guys focused on that opening shot for a while, because while there is so many amazing shots in the movie, this got me in the world immediately. As someone who has been to Burning Man several times, experienced incredible amounts of dust and desert conditions, as well as taking shroom chocolate to see the film the first of many times, I felt like there was dust flying through my theater. It was so quiet but loud, and just the walking on the sand almost made my skin crawl. So well done and enthralling *And Im not just some druggy guy, Ive been an extra/actor on Ballers, a Chinese Doolittle series, and small films. It just hit me so hard even when I was sober and at the Imax that I have to speak about it regardless, but that first time was so mind blowing
We see the same cliff that the Atreides castle is behind in the holy war vision in part 1. When Paul and Chani look down at their Feydakin on some unknown world. So it's meant to be Caladan. Of course in the books Jessica ensures the war never goes onto Caladan, which I think the movie acknowledges in that the visions often come to happen in a different way or context.
Honestly I liked part 2 way more than part 1 but I dunno if part 1 is to blame really, considering how the Dune book is paced. It’s like half the first part of part 1 was exposition. But I still love them both and I’m jealous of people who marathoned em when watching for the first time
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't care at all about the changes from the book. And I've read the first Dune book. But so many reviews spend so much time talking about the differences between the novel and the movie and I find that conversation pretty boring. Thanks for this great review. I'm just interested in Dune the movies. Part 2 is an incredible work of art, and any story or character changes were for the best and served the story and the visual spectacle. In Villeneuve we trust!
Me too. Even the author admitted problems with the original book, the main one being that he failed to hammer home that Paul isn't really a good person. He puts many comrades lives at risk for his personal revenge, even before drinking the water. Then he goes ahead with the genocide but he's too scared to stick around for the golden path. Herbert wrote it when he was young and I bet he would have liked most of the changes later on. I think the movie flowed very well overall
As I haven’t read the book, there was one scene that I didn’t understand: how was Chani able to save Paul when he drank the water of life? How did this all work and why could only she save him? I got that she drinks a drop of the water but how does that save Paul?
I haven't read the books either but my understanding is that Chani is the daughter of Dr Liet Kynes, the Planetologist, Judge of the Change, secret leader of the Fremen. Chani means "Desert Spring" or Desert Springs" (I think I might have heard "Desert Tears" - is that from the film?). She is part of the Prophecy (also explaining her scepticism and reluctance to be a part of it). Paul drinks the Water of Life and is close to death, with barely any signs of life. The Prophecy says that Muad'Dib will be saved by Desert Tears or Desert Springs (?) so in this film version Chani's literal tears, water from her body, is mixed with a little Water of Life and rubbed on Paul's lips bringing him out of his trance.
The part that gets me is that it is, and it isn't a false faith. Without them, the golden path never is ttaken, and humanity dies. The idea that the faith the fremon observed is false is the biggest mistake made by everyone. Without their belief, humanity is ultimately ended and off the golden path.
It was orange at the start of the film because of an eclipse. A little strange that they used that colour tone for the whole marketing of the movie as it was only 15 min of the film, after that the desert looked the same as the first film, hi-key, stark and bleached of saturation from the high sun
I think a lot of people are saying decade because they don’t want to get called hyperbolic. However, Dune Part 1 & 2 are my favorite movies. They are the new pillars of Science Fiction.
So happy I saw this. I had to wait so long but saved this video for when I did see it. Very good channel. I liked the scene where harkonans stacked the siech
Nice podcast guys, this is my first time tuning in and i gotta say that it was very interesting and fun to watch. Keep it up, you guys deserve way more recognition. And yeah... Dune part two is literally the best movie of all time.
41:40 It’s a tomb! I’ts called memorial Brion, or Tomba brion, designed buy Carlo Scarpa. I live close to the area and I was very surprised to find out they shot Dune in a cemetery 😂 I guess you could say it’s an hotel! for dead people 😅😂
The only thing I didn't like about the film was I didn't think they featured enough of the sarduakar. I also thought Christopher Walken's portrayal of the emperor was perfectly understated
I think the visions of Chani and Paul on the Holy War together is a misdirection where it will actually be Leto II and Ghanima looking down on their Fremen followers. Similar to other transposed or misinterpreted visions DV and FH show us. Also in line with some of the ‘parent perspective’ arguments Leto II and Ghanima are known for. Long story short I don’t think Paul was seeing the actual form their relationship will take in Messiah. The nuke vision only with Paul getting his face burned off instead of Chani is likely closer to the way their reunion will play out.
A lot of people felt that Paul’s mother took a turn for the villainous after she drank the water of life. To me, it was bad ass prophetic. It’s like she saw the future and knew what was gonna happen, and was simply annoyed with Paul for not wanting to fulfill the inevitable. Imagine I could see the future and I saw you standing on the roof of the White House. So, I go talk to you and you say “The one place I don’t wanna go is the White House.” It might seem I’m a villain trying to get people to support “the journey to the White House.” And hey, if you don’t wanna go there it might seem that I’m you’re enemy. All I’m saying is “it’s gonna happen. It’s annoying you’re trying to avoid it.”
Having watched Dune part 2 right after part 1 made me appreciate the immense effort that was put into the beautiful world-building. I cannot remember last time I was this hooked to learn about a story. The attention to detail depicting the various cultures was simply perfect. Will definitely be watching it again in IMAX for the incredible cinematography.
This may be too cheesy for some, but since Count Fenring was an older generation attempt at the Kwizatz Haderach that didn't pan out, I was secretly hoping that Count Fenring would be in this movie played by Kyle MacLachlan.
With you covering RM Mohiam, I just looked up older photos of Charlotte Rampling and she 100% looks like she could be mother to Rebecca Fergusen. Back in the 1960s, Rampling looked just like Fergusen (beautiful, same icy blue eyes) and scifi bonus - she was in the campy scifi classic "Zardoz" with Sean Connery.
The only real change, except for some choices of characters to not include, was how Chani was changed to act more like a foil for Paul. Frank Herbert was surprised that Paul was considered a hero by readers when he was written as an anti-hero, the changes in Chani were meant to support Herbert's view. Alia was changed as well, but considering she only appears as a character near the end of the book, her addition would have been weird without character building.
Why change CHani though and make her act like some annoying girlfriend? She slapped Paul in front of everybody. That is simply nuts. Also, she disrespected her elders in the community. How could that fly? Answer: it couldn't. She would have been removed from the Fremen immediately and her water given to that lake thingy. Suchan annoying character.
LOVE your show guys, really cool content and vibe! :) Just wanted to add another major difference from to book to the movie was the revealing of the harkonnen heritage and how it is discovered (also the nukes). Watched part two before finishing book 1 and you know how it's all from water of life and even Jessica mentions how she only finds out after she drinks it, etc. Whereas in the book Paul finds out literally right before being chased by the sardaukar in the thopter before the crazy storm flight scene. So he finds out basically by being exposed to the spice for the FIRST time after they're exiled after Leto's death and all that. And then he tells Jessica, and how much he actually is aware of by that time. Loved the arc and actual form of portraying that in the movie. Definitely a way better call for narrative and cinematic purposes.
Definitely a masterpiece. My biggest gripe is overall surface level storytelling, especially with the villains and politics for us that haven't read the books. Also, the knife fight could have been extremely effective but did the very basic trope of protagonist injured and beaten but but antagonist getting too close and the whole who got who in the fatal stab moment. It's played out. This deserves a memorable death like when Anakin cuts count dookus hands and head off 😆 also, love Walken but he's just too famous for that small role and reveal as emperor. It makes it almost an snl parody seeing him in the dune universe without much to do
What a holy spectacle what an experience I felt moved i felt like holy shit this probably what it felt like back before Christ for those believers (I’m not claiming a religion) but the ability and capacity for someone to worship and idolize such a holy figure this movie makes me feel that way like I felt I was witnessing a telling of a story a great messiah (all fictional by the way but Denis has really made such an amazing film everything about it every department should win an Oscar they would have to seperste the awards from this film as it should have it’s own category because it’s going to snub all of them “as written”
That baron backstory is a prequel thing and the "baron is massive because of a disease from the BG" aspect kind of undermines the entire concept of the character by Frank Herbert, which is that he is a glutton in every sense of the word. I tried reading 2 of the books by his son and it was exactly things like this that made me give up both times lol... well that and just the plots and writing feeling like lame fanfiction...
Count Hasimir Fenring is my favorite villain in the books. It should of had a short scene of him supporting the seduction of Feyd-Rautha... and them showing their love for each other. 🤔
Denis Villeneuve is known for empowering women. He openly speaks about it, gives women important leading roles and addresses violence against women in his films. (Polytechnique, Incendies) So sexism is a very odd charge to make against one of his films.
So the only thing that confuses me is what is the Bene Geserits motive for implementing this religion on Arakkis and other planets. What’s the point for them to do it?
It's called the "Missionaria Protectiva" - they'd spread specific "Panoplia Propheticus" (myths, prophecies, and superstitions) to primitive planets. Any Bene Gesserit that comes along later can use her knowledge of the "Panoplia Propheticus" to cast herself as a guide/protector/prophet - immediately giving them useful power over a portion of the planet's native population. Bene Gesserit fight dirty haha.
The Bene Gesserit don't have much military or political power of their own, and there are relatively few of them. Instead they influence populations to support leaders the Bene Gesserit want. They think a long way ahead, and Dune is a significant planet, so they planted myths they could use at a later date just in case. The prophecies were intended to help someone like Paul, and Jessica knew how to take advantage.
It's an amazing movie and some of the added stuff like the Bene Gesserit being telepathic and Jessica being able to talk to Alia is an amazing idea, but I hate the major changes because you don't get the character relationship developments. And I don't like the fact that yes Channi felt how she did at the beginning but as Paul gets his powers and the prophecy starts to be fulfilled her refusal to accept it and her keep moving the goalpost so that she didn't have to believe is really annoying.
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This was one of the most exhilarating theatrical experiences I’ve ever had. That excitement to watch a long awaited blockbuster, and then for it to deliver and surpass its predecessor in every aspect is a rare thing.
Happy to hear!
Its empire strikes back
Nah Dune 1 was way more of a vibe. The cinematography, pacing, sound design and score was better executed. Dune 2 needs an extended edition
@@OBDPVCR naw sorry Dune 2 improved in all of those categories!
@@OBDPVCR Couldn't agree more. I really hope Dennis has a 5-hour edition up his sleeve.
That shot in the beginning with the Harkonenns floating up the hill was when I knew I was about to witness something monumental. It looked like ants going up an ant hill. Just brilliant
This
Yeah there was something about that scene, I knew my money was well spent
YES
The use of brownscreen made this sequence seamless
Same
The whole period of the film of Geidi Prime, the arena and the scenes around it, was easily one of the most sublime film experiences ever.
Possibly the most.
Later, when the Emperor's ship flies over the desert and reflects the ground, I was just blown away. It looked jaw dropping.
two of the craziest sequences! ugh i can't get over this movie!
I wish it made the sound it made in the commercial.
paul's monologue gave me chills man!! best movie i've seen in theaters for a long time!!
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The way he pulled up to the southern fremen was one of the hardest things I've ever seen in a movie. I didn't think Timmy had it in him.
@@BigKnecht that theme 🤌
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maybe you should visit theaters more :D
When Paul put the his father's ring on and Gurdy slightly smiles and is proud gave me chills.
Paul's attraction to Chani doesn't appear to be too quick in Part 2 when you take into account that he has been dreaming of her for the whole of the first movie.
Well, he has been dreaming of her. But he knows that she has Not been dreaming of him. He acts accordingly - despite his knowledge of their Future loving relationship. Paul's attraction to her happens in Part One of Denis' DUNE years ago. That shock of recognition and that near immediate softening of Paul's features and even slackening of combat readiness after Chani removes her mask and tells him she would, "not have let you hurt [my] friends" is noteworthy. That little smile that plays around Paul's lips after Chani says, "This is only the beginning," then turns to continue walking away after Paul and his Mom are surprised at seeing a Fremen riding a sandworm for the first time, is telling, too. Paul's knowing smile shows that he is looking forward to them expressing romantic feelings.
Paul and Chani's sweetly awkward, warmth-building hug in DUNE:PART 2, when All the Fremen hug Paul after he chooses a Fremen name is beautifully nuanced acting by both Timothee' and Zendaya portraying their characters with an impressive deftness/sensitivity in showing shyness about their characters' growing affection and chemistry.
Paul and Chani beautifully "dance" together in a gorgeously coordinated sand walk. Later, when Paul looks at Chani with such impressed delight and gentle longing when she shows him how that wind device works one evening, that she feels compelled to tell him to "stop looking at [me] like that," it's so indicative of her beginning to recognize how Paul clearly feels about her.
And Paul & Chani later finally kiss on a sand dune when the sun is low. Then we even later see them after "the throes of passion" in their tent, when they are lovingly whispering in the afterglow to each other. And then later, what Timothee and Zendaya' call their favorite scene together of all - in which Chani tenderly comforts Paul when he awakens after a nightmare.
Their love builds/grows organically. Again, Paul always knew they were made for each other and would have a great love, but, again, Chani does not realize that at first. Paul woos her with that in mind - so they would come together naturally at a normal expected pace.
Yeah but it never developed into this deep humanizing grounded romance. She's a bit infatuated and then massively pissy.
@@sieraclayton1503Wow. This was so beautifully, tastefully captured. Thank you!
Exactly
@@sieraclayton1503Such an AWESOME analysis by you concerning their romance, especially when she joins him on the dunes and helps train him. That Zimmer score was insane! One of my favorite scenes!👍🏽😃
The shot when paul is walking in slowmotion in front of the worms is my favorite shot of the movie
Hell yea mine is when he is stepping over the cliff and Gerni calls for the missles
@@angelespinoza9917 man there are so many sick shots, its actually insane
Tough guys don't look at sandworms
My head canon says because now he can see all possible future's he can walk across worm territory normally without fear of being eaten.
Walked out of the cinema and immediately ordered the book! I cant get enough of it, im already halfway through. What a movie!!! 5⭐️
Keep in mind that the books are dense. They don’t really “get good” until Children of Dune and God Emperor. That shits crazy.
@@woo1818 im already enjoying the first book so i cant wait to read the others!
be ready for a VERY different story. this Movie dropped the ball.
Even small moments like the the Harkonen soldiers lifting off the ground to scale an escarpment was just breathtaking
That scene got pulses racing with its sudden, unexpected beauty.
I’ve never heard the word “escarpment”, what a great word!
When Paul gave is council speech, that was the best scene in the movie for me
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I went and saw this Friday with my 85-year-old grandfather and my mom and I was beyond blown away. I left the theater thinking I had just seen the greatest movie of all time I’m sure it’s a little recency bias but it just hits on every single note and filmmaking aspect. Also Feyd-Rautha is the monster we needed
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What did your grandfather think of dune 2?
People keep saying Dune 2 'was as good as Dune.' It was not. It was far better, in fact, it was one of the best films ever made. The theater experience of Dune 2 was amazing. It was quite literally the best experience I've ever had at a movie, and I'm old. I had a similar feeling at the premier of Star Wars, because it was so revolutionary at the time, but this exceeded that.
So true. Well said. 👌
Denis set the bar high early in the film with the suspensor activation of the Harkonnens field squad -- created an eerie cat and mouse game, with all this modern tech - it was suspenseful and beautiful at the same time.
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I think the best line was the second or third time Stilgar says “you see he’s humble, moadib would be humble” after Paul tries to genuinely deny the prophecy. It was almost funny a la Monty Python, Life of Brian… “Don’t follow me you’re all individuals” “yes, we’re all individuals”
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what a picture, my only complaint is that it wasnt longer lmao. 5/5 lead them to paradise
I went into the movie wondering if it might be too long. By the end, I wished it had another hour.
"YOUR FEET?! YOU'LL BE LUCKY TO KEEP YOUR HEAD!" I love the whole exchange between Paul and the Emperor
The fireworks on Geidi Prime were one of the most beautifully unpleasant things I’ve seen on screen. I was both parts repelled and delighted.
Me whenever I see a new video essay or breakdown of Dune:
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I liked when Paul thumped his chest before the Feyd Rautha fight, as if he were summoning his inner Shai Hulud
Like Jamis before duel in part 1
I hear ya. Paul is a hybrid (some foreshadowing about his ruling descendant, that). He uses both Caladan and Arrakis symbolic movements before combat.
He was honouring his friend/mentor Jamis...
That may very well be just a Freman thing. They thump their chest twice to summon their inner Shai Hulud so that they are invoking their 'god' (because the worms are _revered_ in Freman culture) in order to be with them when they go to do battle.
That climb by the Harkonenn’s was one of my favorite shots in the entire movie. Jaws on the floor and it didn’t close until credits rolled.
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Was one of the few interesting parts of the movie.
i couldn’t decide which was a better first viewing experience Oppenheimer or Dune Part 2…but then i immediately bought another ticket right after i got out of the theater. so i think the debate is settled. LOL
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When you mentioned no sharp corners in the Giedi Prime architecture, I immediately pictured Baron Harkonnen getting stuck in a corner with his antigrav apparatus yelling "No more sharp corners!"
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Bene Gesserit are able to control their bodies on a cellular level. So they can not only choose the sex of their child at conception, they can change the molecular structure of poisons rendering them non-toxic. Jessica does this to the Water of Life, which is still super concentrated spice essence which opens her up to receive the past lives Reverend Mother Ramallo gives her. And in the book she also is able to change the Water of Life itself for the spice ritual that the entire sietch participates in, which is when Paul and Chani first really get together.
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The change to Chani's character is so important. The way she is in the film, she is a counter to the dark influences that Paul eventually embraces.
She's there to seek freedom for her people, both from the empire and the bene geserits. At the end, he's there to seek personal revenge and acquire power for himself. Chani was with him right up until it became clear he valued the throne more than her people. By leaving, we better understand how far he's strayed. Chani is the hero of the movie, which is why she's the first person you hear speak in Dune 1.
Not true..In the Book Chani doesn't have a lot of says in the book..she was more of a love interest for Paul..depends on the director decision ..In the 1984 movie..Chani has keys point in the film to sustain Paul ascension to the Messiah figure..but not much ..Paul ascension was more from his own struggle from within as he live with the Freeman for years but He still has visions that he is dead from within unless he step into the the next step and that is to take the water of life what is called to do and take the chances of dieing from the water or be the actual Messiah
@@robertnguyen2025 "The change to Chani's character..." meaning not like the book.
I love how truly tragic Stilgar’s journey from seeing little signs of Paul being Lisan Al Giab, to the very end of the movie when he’s literally Estatic to go on a Jihad and kill billions all in the name of Paul
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"May thy knife chip and shatter"
* smiles * "May THY knife chip and shatter"
The book came out in 1964! The year I was born. NOT the 50s. So, cool it with the "old" talk whipper snapper!
JK, I know I'm old, just didn't expect to be reminded 2 minutes in.
Dune created Star Wars. Star Wars was a huge hit it then opened the door to make huge sci-fi movies which then in turn eventually lead to a nearly perfect dune film to be made decades later.
The greatest movie experience I have ever had and the imax was so damn perfect
Great discussion! I’ve seen it three times now (twice in IMAX)! Between this movie and the new Shogun mini-series it has been a truly AMAZING week for book adaptations! 🔥👍🏽🔥
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OMG yes! I love Shogun too! Best novel ever. I really felt so lucky this week. Got blown away by Dune then watched Dune again, then watched the first two episodes of Shogun. Can't wait for Tuesday's newest Shogun episode. I wish my local movie theatre would do a double feature of Dune I and Dune II. That's all I'm missing.
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Uh oh! After hear y’all and others talk about SHOGUN, gotta see it now! Seeing DUNE 3rd time in IMAX (1st time IMAX and 2nd time DOLBY) this Sat so gotta catch up!😂👍🏽
Didn’t know Shogun was out as a mini series. It was a great book and I read all James Clavell books afterwards. Looking forward to watching it.
I often dislike when movies changes too much, but Dune is one where everything else is so excellent and the changes ties well together with the main story that this is such a chefs kiss.
LOTR was the last amazing epic book-films and for me personally this tops it if I try my best to remove nostalgia bias.
Loved Dune since I read as a Teenager many decades ago. Both Dune 1 & 2 are awesome movies and there are always Pros & Cons in any adaptation yet these were masterful. However, there were a couple of technical things I felt made it less 'realistic', one being the worms were as rigid as the studio floor with almost no movement & must have just farted for propulsion & riders not jerked around etc. Surfing would be harder than riding a sandworm. I think the 1984 movie was more 'realistic' on that point. A minor point I know & I've not seen any related comments.
Very hard to fathom the Worms not having so much time in the movie..I agree with you ..Dune is the Epic series since I was a young kid..yet I am willing to sacrifice some part of the movies adaption for more Dune Universe ..remember the 1984 movie? Sound weapons was not in the book at all ..they the director adopted that since they didn't have the technology to make the Weiding way on film..Also in the new Dune movie..the Weiding way was never shown to the Freeman..Freeman was just a guerillas warrior..I wanted to see Paul train the 100 of his top Freeman Warriors and than they train the millions of Freeman Warriors on a epic scale...That woukd have been Epic
Majestic, powerful and exquisitely beautiful. This movie is a cinematic miracle. As a longtime fan of the novels this is a dream actualized.
100% Thousands of us around the world who lost themselves in the books as kids. I really liked part 1, but part 2, wow. Ive seen it 3 times in Imax in 2 days. Thanks Denis!
was weird that all that happened before his sister is born, i loved it tho and now i wanna learn as much as i can about the books and lore.
My favorite line was 'There are no sides' Something like that.... Just made me reflect on the nature of true power and control. When the outcomes reall7 dont change a damn thing b/c no matter who wins, you win.
My 2 complaints are that I expected more of the spice agony, like more trippy space and mind bending stuff. I do like the shots of alia being infused, and im fine with her being cut out as long as they do well with her in part 3.
2, Even in the book, I never felt Feyd was anywhere near a threat to Paul. They build him up by him killing totured and drugged prisoners and him being really ruthless. But, he never seems like a real challenge. He could have been built up more as a messiah type figure of his own and maybe had a little bit more to do. Like, maybe the bene gesserit could start training him in their ways, suspecting Muad Dib is Paul, and Feyd excelling in totally unexpected ways, maybe even him getting spice visions when he comes to Arrakis.
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Good to see that these two movies bring new fans to the actual novels. The two kinda complement each other I think and once you are hooked on Dune, you kinda want to experience it in as many forms as possible, be it TV show, films, games or music, etc.
Having not reading the book, the final scene had me gripped and I thought Paul could die and his sister would eventually take his place. I thought maybe he isn't the one when he got stabbed. Then when he grips the blade I thought this is it, then he goes down with Feyd. What a suspenseful scene.
The fish-bowl helmeted people from the first film are not guild navigators, they are "representatives of the spacing guild" although when you look closely you can see that they are basically breathing concentrated spice and have blue eyes peering through their mask.
Yeah no way those were navigators, just representatives. Less funny than the representatives from the mini series, but that’s probably a good thing lol
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 I mean I had to go back and check, since there was little sign or mention of them.
Thufir tells Leto that the trip required 3 navigators and I counted 5 representatives.
There is two other differences that I think is important to notice one I like and one not so much but I understand the chsnge. The first one is, in the book Gurney doesn't kill Raban and Paul denies him the right to kill Fayed, even tho he promissed to him he would. Therefore he cannot have closure. So I really appreciate the change in the movie. The other change is that in the book, the fremen ask Paul and his mother to train them in the art of combat. It's the reason they don't kill them at first. This omission suck. I think it creates value for Paul to the Fremen at first.
Question to You guys - Do you think "Dune 2" told the story, use, addiction and making of SPICE?
Honestly, if I did not read the books - I would not fully understand, what "spice" is...
I think on repeat viewings it becomes more clear for new viewers
Same here as well..I am a true follower of Dune since childhood.this movie it didn't focused too much on Spice and it's usage..Spice is what made the power struggle between The Emperor's ..Duke Leto and Baron Harkoneen ..Spice usage give power and influences ..But the Director decide to focused more on the Houses fighting over the Throne and loss of the throne for the Emperor
Same here as well..I am a true follower of Dune since childhood.this movie it didn't focused too much on Spice and it's usage..Spice is what made the power struggle between The Emperor's ..Duke Leto and Baron Harkoneen ..Spice usage give power and influences ..But the Director decide to focused more on the Houses fighting over the Throne and loss of the throne for the Emperor
I absolutely enjoyed this film, though I don't think I'd consider it a masterpiece (but on a technical level it absolutely is). Maybe because I read the book, lol. I think the reason why so many purists of the book are a bit underwhelmed and confused by some changes in the film compared to the book is because we were expecting Part 2 to be an almost 1-for-1 adaptation of the 2nd half/lastThird of the book and that Villeneuve would finish his stint with Dune with Part 2, when in reality it seemed his plan all along was to make it a trilogy and include Messiah as its 3rd act, so I'm guessing some of the changes and plot threads that were left unresolved in Part 2 will be more relevant for the presumed Part 3. If one looks at it from that perspective, I feel better about the film and its changes, and will have a clearer opinion on Part 2 when Part 3 comes out. Surely lots of people probably felt the same way when Empire Strikes Back came out as they didn't expect it to be the middle act of a trilogy, and now it's considered arguably the best Star Wars film and one of the greatest sequels ever.
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Im glad you guys focused on that opening shot for a while, because while there is so many amazing shots in the movie, this got me in the world immediately. As someone who has been to Burning Man several times, experienced incredible amounts of dust and desert conditions, as well as taking shroom chocolate to see the film the first of many times, I felt like there was dust flying through my theater. It was so quiet but loud, and just the walking on the sand almost made my skin crawl. So well done and enthralling
*And Im not just some druggy guy, Ive been an extra/actor on Ballers, a Chinese Doolittle series, and small films. It just hit me so hard even when I was sober and at the Imax that I have to speak about it regardless, but that first time was so mind blowing
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We see the same cliff that the Atreides castle is behind in the holy war vision in part 1. When Paul and Chani look down at their Feydakin on some unknown world. So it's meant to be Caladan. Of course in the books Jessica ensures the war never goes onto Caladan, which I think the movie acknowledges in that the visions often come to happen in a different way or context.
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I was speechless from start to finish I can't wait for part 3
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Honestly I liked part 2 way more than part 1 but I dunno if part 1 is to blame really, considering how the Dune book is paced. It’s like half the first part of part 1 was exposition. But I still love them both and I’m jealous of people who marathoned em when watching for the first time
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't care at all about the changes from the book. And I've read the first Dune book. But so many reviews spend so much time talking about the differences between the novel and the movie and I find that conversation pretty boring. Thanks for this great review. I'm just interested in Dune the movies. Part 2 is an incredible work of art, and any story or character changes were for the best and served the story and the visual spectacle. In Villeneuve we trust!
Me too. Even the author admitted problems with the original book, the main one being that he failed to hammer home that Paul isn't really a good person. He puts many comrades lives at risk for his personal revenge, even before drinking the water. Then he goes ahead with the genocide but he's too scared to stick around for the golden path.
Herbert wrote it when he was young and I bet he would have liked most of the changes later on.
I think the movie flowed very well overall
As I haven’t read the book, there was one scene that I didn’t understand: how was Chani able to save Paul when he drank the water of life?
How did this all work and why could only she save him?
I got that she drinks a drop of the water but how does that save Paul?
I haven't read the books either but my understanding is that Chani is the daughter of Dr Liet Kynes, the Planetologist, Judge of the Change, secret leader of the Fremen. Chani means "Desert Spring" or Desert Springs" (I think I might have heard "Desert Tears" - is that from the film?). She is part of the Prophecy (also explaining her scepticism and reluctance to be a part of it). Paul drinks the Water of Life and is close to death, with barely any signs of life. The Prophecy says that Muad'Dib will be saved by Desert Tears or Desert Springs (?) so in this film version Chani's literal tears, water from her body, is mixed with a little Water of Life and rubbed on Paul's lips bringing him out of his trance.
The part that gets me is that it is, and it isn't a false faith. Without them, the golden path never is ttaken, and humanity dies.
The idea that the faith the fremon observed is false is the biggest mistake made by everyone. Without their belief, humanity is ultimately ended and off the golden path.
It was orange at the start of the film because of an eclipse. A little strange that they used that colour tone for the whole marketing of the movie as it was only 15 min of the film, after that the desert looked the same as the first film, hi-key, stark and bleached of saturation from the high sun
I think a lot of people are saying decade because they don’t want to get called hyperbolic. However, Dune Part 1 & 2 are my favorite movies. They are the new pillars of Science Fiction.
Best ever movie experiences:
Jurassic Park
The Matrix
Dune pt2
And not necessarily in that order.
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So happy I saw this. I had to wait so long but saved this video for when I did see it. Very good channel. I liked the scene where harkonans stacked the siech
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Nice podcast guys, this is my first time tuning in and i gotta say that it was very interesting and fun to watch. Keep it up, you guys deserve way more recognition. And yeah... Dune part two is literally the best movie of all time.
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The explanation of the infrared filmed sequences on Giedi Prime was perfect. Thank you. Subscribed!
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Scenes were shot with Thufer and Count Fenring but ended up being cut. I know Villeneuve is against it but I would love an extended cut on home media.
41:40 It’s a tomb! I’ts called memorial Brion, or Tomba brion, designed buy Carlo Scarpa. I live close to the area and I was very surprised to find out they shot Dune in a cemetery 😂 I guess you could say it’s an hotel! for dead people 😅😂
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It's not a sequel. It's the second half of the same story of the same book.
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I saw Blade Runner several times. I will be seeing his s one more than once. Butler took it over the top.
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I feel incredibly privileged to watch Denis make the best sci-fi movies I’ve ever seen on the big screen, over the last seven years.
If they finish off the trilogy strong this could be the best trilogy made. However I think lord of the rings is the reigning champ right now.
25:59 ahhh great explanation! I didn't get what exactly was going on with the sun
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The only thing I didn't like about the film was I didn't think they featured enough of the sarduakar. I also thought Christopher Walken's portrayal of the emperor was perfectly understated
I think the visions of Chani and Paul on the Holy War together is a misdirection where it will actually be Leto II and Ghanima looking down on their Fremen followers. Similar to other transposed or misinterpreted visions DV and FH show us. Also in line with some of the ‘parent perspective’ arguments Leto II and Ghanima are known for.
Long story short I don’t think Paul was seeing the actual form their relationship will take in Messiah. The nuke vision only with Paul getting his face burned off instead of Chani is likely closer to the way their reunion will play out.
A lot of people felt that Paul’s mother took a turn for the villainous after she drank the water of life. To me, it was bad ass prophetic. It’s like she saw the future and knew what was gonna happen, and was simply annoyed with Paul for not wanting to fulfill the inevitable. Imagine I could see the future and I saw you standing on the roof of the White House. So, I go talk to you and you say “The one place I don’t wanna go is the White House.” It might seem I’m a villain trying to get people to support “the journey to the White House.” And hey, if you don’t wanna go there it might seem that I’m you’re enemy. All I’m saying is “it’s gonna happen. It’s annoying you’re trying to avoid it.”
Having watched Dune part 2 right after part 1 made me appreciate the immense effort that was put into the beautiful world-building. I cannot remember last time I was this hooked to learn about a story. The attention to detail depicting the various cultures was simply perfect. Will definitely be watching it again in IMAX for the incredible cinematography.
This may be too cheesy for some, but since Count Fenring was an older generation attempt at the Kwizatz Haderach that didn't pan out, I was secretly hoping that Count Fenring would be in this movie played by Kyle MacLachlan.
Personally it’s the best movie I’ve seen in theaters since Jurassic Park. I felt like an 8 yr old again. Absolutely incredible
Unfortunately no weirding modules in part II
That was one of the many dumb shit that Lynch came up with, either because he didn't understand the book or because he didn't respect it.
This is a masterpiece of a story .
I love the movie,I kinda miss one weapon that was’nt in the film…."THE WEIRDING MODULE!"
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I loved part 2 but the 3rd act felt a bit rushed. Seems like a lot of scenes were cut to keep the film under 3 hours.
With you covering RM Mohiam, I just looked up older photos of Charlotte Rampling and she 100% looks like she could be mother to Rebecca Fergusen. Back in the 1960s, Rampling looked just like Fergusen (beautiful, same icy blue eyes) and scifi bonus - she was in the campy scifi classic "Zardoz" with Sean Connery.
She was stunning
She was a 60/70s icon!
The only real change, except for some choices of characters to not include, was how Chani was changed to act more like a foil for Paul. Frank Herbert was surprised that Paul was considered a hero by readers when he was written as an anti-hero, the changes in Chani were meant to support Herbert's view. Alia was changed as well, but considering she only appears as a character near the end of the book, her addition would have been weird without character building.
Why change CHani though and make her act like some annoying girlfriend? She slapped Paul in front of everybody. That is simply nuts. Also, she disrespected her elders in the community. How could that fly? Answer: it couldn't. She would have been removed from the Fremen immediately and her water given to that lake thingy. Suchan annoying character.
Easily one of the best movies I've ever seen! The massive scale of everything was just jaw-dropping. When it ended, I was literally shaking.
Part 1 and part 2 are legit good sci-fi movies.
Feyd Rautha stole the show for me. 👍
“FEYD FEYD FEYD FEYD FEYD” That coliseum scene was one for the fucken history books
LOVE your show guys, really cool content and vibe! :)
Just wanted to add another major difference from to book to the movie was the revealing of the harkonnen heritage and how it is discovered (also the nukes).
Watched part two before finishing book 1 and you know how it's all from water of life and even Jessica mentions how she only finds out after she drinks it, etc.
Whereas in the book Paul finds out literally right before being chased by the sardaukar in the thopter before the crazy storm flight scene. So he finds out basically by being exposed to the spice for the FIRST time after they're exiled after Leto's death and all that. And then he tells Jessica, and how much he actually is aware of by that time.
Loved the arc and actual form of portraying that in the movie. Definitely a way better call for narrative and cinematic purposes.
Absolutely loved it!! I’m going to watch it again today in IMAX.
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A note, Dune was published for its' first time in 1965, took me 20 seconds to get that info...
Definitely a masterpiece. My biggest gripe is overall surface level storytelling, especially with the villains and politics for us that haven't read the books. Also, the knife fight could have been extremely effective but did the very basic trope of protagonist injured and beaten but but antagonist getting too close and the whole who got who in the fatal stab moment. It's played out. This deserves a memorable death like when Anakin cuts count dookus hands and head off 😆 also, love Walken but he's just too famous for that small role and reveal as emperor. It makes it almost an snl parody seeing him in the dune universe without much to do
Quizatz haderach? Ive always called it the quicksand hat rack.
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It is shockingly good. Awe-inspiring spectacle on a grand scale
Saw it three times so far. Going to go with greatest science fiction film ever made
Perfect review of this second part of Dune
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I teared up in the cinema idk why
What a holy spectacle what an experience I felt moved i felt like holy shit this probably what it felt like back before Christ for those believers (I’m not claiming a religion) but the ability and capacity for someone to worship and idolize such a holy figure this movie makes me feel that way like I felt I was witnessing a telling of a story a great messiah (all fictional by the way but Denis has really made such an amazing film everything about it every department should win an Oscar they would have to seperste the awards from this film as it should have it’s own category because it’s going to snub all of them “as written”
That baron backstory is a prequel thing and the "baron is massive because of a disease from the BG" aspect kind of undermines the entire concept of the character by Frank Herbert, which is that he is a glutton in every sense of the word. I tried reading 2 of the books by his son and it was exactly things like this that made me give up both times lol... well that and just the plots and writing feeling like lame fanfiction...
Count Hasimir Fenring is my favorite villain in the books. It should of had a short scene of him supporting the seduction of Feyd-Rautha... and them showing their love for each other. 🤔
Disappointed he was cut along with Thufir
Movie was awesome. Enjoyed it so much I’m we’re seeing it again on Friday.
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Watching this in IMAX with the sound and larger visuals was super cool. The whole theater vibrated and the soundtrack was awesome.
Denis Villeneuve is known for empowering women. He openly speaks about it, gives women important leading roles and addresses violence against women in his films. (Polytechnique, Incendies) So sexism is a very odd charge to make against one of his films.
So the only thing that confuses me is what is the Bene Geserits motive for implementing this religion on Arakkis and other planets. What’s the point for them to do it?
They’re trying to create a being who can see time and lead the universe to a better path forward
It's called the "Missionaria Protectiva" - they'd spread specific "Panoplia Propheticus" (myths, prophecies, and superstitions) to primitive planets.
Any Bene Gesserit that comes along later can use her knowledge of the "Panoplia Propheticus" to cast herself as a guide/protector/prophet - immediately giving them useful power over a portion of the planet's native population.
Bene Gesserit fight dirty haha.
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The Bene Gesserit don't have much military or political power of their own, and there are relatively few of them. Instead they influence populations to support leaders the Bene Gesserit want. They think a long way ahead, and Dune is a significant planet, so they planted myths they could use at a later date just in case. The prophecies were intended to help someone like Paul, and Jessica knew how to take advantage.
70mm screening is above Imax quality. Unless you the chance to see it in Imax 70mm. Saw it in 3 format this week-end.
I think paul is leaning more lisan al gaib than quizat haderach after him using the voice against the bene gesserit
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It's an amazing movie and some of the added stuff like the Bene Gesserit being telepathic and Jessica being able to talk to Alia is an amazing idea, but I hate the major changes because you don't get the character relationship developments. And I don't like the fact that yes Channi felt how she did at the beginning but as Paul gets his powers and the prophecy starts to be fulfilled her refusal to accept it and her keep moving the goalpost so that she didn't have to believe is really annoying.
Kinda sucks that Baron is dead tho I know he was insane but what a character