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A cracking pair of classic, German made fliegers, that have the right name on the dial and a good price. So long as you don't hit the options list, that is! It is a shame that they didn't make more of the 42mm versions so as to offer that option, but hey, that is what a limited edition means, I guess. Cheers, Jody
It’s a bit disappointing that they couldn’t stretch to a Miyota 9 series at this price point. They really are a step up from the 8 series and the ultra common NH3x movements.
I believe MIYOTA 9000series is a high beat movement while NH35 is not. At 400 dollars, I do want MIYOTA9000 series altho it would be really hard to find any. I once found MIYOTA 9000series watch in Alixpress for 120 dollars, now thats bargain.
@@bigboiganiga8356 shouldn't be that hard at this price point, I've had ETAs in Geckota fliegers for the same price. I bought one of Lacos fliegers with an 8000 a few years back and the seconds hand jumped and skipped around so badly that I sent it back (I've heard that's common for those 8000 Miyotas).
@@bigboiganiga8356 As well as being a 4hz movement, the Miyota 9 series are also much thinner.
German businesses are ruthless when it comes to making money out of suckers who buy their products.
The 9000 series also offers a no-date version (which I’ve got in a $500 Lorier Neptune SIII). That would have been an upgrade I would have paid for.
I think the drab colours work so well on this design - I've never owned or tested a flieger before but I would be really interested in this model or the Hamilton interstellar version. Maybe that's next on wish list!
The designs are great mate, you should definitely try and get a hold of one.
@@JustOneMoreWatch decided!
The Hamilton is a great watch, it was my first "serious" automatic.
Ive had the Laco Aachen for a few years now and i really enjoy wearing it. Lume is insane.
I have that Hamilton. I like it but I think it is too big for my 7” wrist. If size is not an issue for you the Hamilton is way above these Laco models. Not even in the same ballpark.
I bought a black 42mm Aachen and really liked it. So much so that I bought a blue dialed one as well, but after a while, I realised I never wore the black one. Sure, the purists won't like the blue-dialed Aachen, but it's a gorgeous watch and I'm not a wannabe Luftwaffe pilot, so I just appreciate the legibility and dial finish. I like the look of these, but not enough to spend extra money on them, to be honest.
For me, the ET Type B remains the best value flieger. Can't beat the build for the money they charge. For a more fancy option, I went with the Hamilton Interstellar Cooper. Absolutely love both of them.
What is ET?
I guess he's talking about Escapement Time, a Chinese brand.
@@legumbro oh that makes sense. thanks!
I highly suggest that anyone looking for a flieger to check for Archimede on the used market. I bought one used and got a great deal, I see very few reviews on Archimede, and I love it! I would definitely buy another
Love the aged case, olive dial, and 39mm size, but think 20mm lug width would look better. Don't think it needs an exhibition case back, and believe it could have a better movement. I can't help but think, if your not bothered where the watch is screwed together, there is much better value out there.
@@AnthonyBurton I disagree. 18, 19, and 21mm lug widths should be standard sizes. Lug width should follow a 1:2 ratio with case diameter to ensure good sizing proportions.
I love the olive Augsburg Type A, and the regular stainless is also a good looking watch. The strap is a lovely fit with the rivets matching the case.
Miyota 8 series at that price, I know they'll sell out and people will rave about them but I can't get past the movement....the sales pitch is brand and "made in Germany"....I'm too tight to be taken in by that....🏴⌚🏴⌚
I'm perfectly capable of distressing my own watch, all by myself, thank you, Laco.
I LOVE my Laco’s!!!! I started with a Zurich then got an Aachen with my daughters initials and my wife got me a Dortmund with our wedding date engraved on it for our anniversary. Absolutely incredible for the price and such a historical company.
Type A for me, simple easy to see uncluttered face. The sweep of the second hand looks very smooth and more like Swiss quality. Not a bad price for quality.
I have the 42mm standard version and the seconds hand does look so smooth going round. It's like a radar sweep.
Love the bronze aged look but I would like to see a bigger crown and non-branded dial.
im a laco fanboy, i love the flieger styles and that aachen blau 39 is gorgeous
Last year they had this in 42MM as the same limited run. I got the type B then, love it.
"Made in Germany' must mean something different when the movement is Japanese. I looked on Laco's site and they call these Miyota movements 'Laco 21 and 31' saying to me that they are in-house. Apart from the custom rotor they look stock. Nice watches, historic company but....
They regulate the movement. And then: many German brands use Swiss movements and no one complains and now it's Japanese (or, god forbid, Chinese) it is a problem all of a sudden?
I think if you case it in Germany, it qualifies as 'made in Germany'.
Ten years ago You could buy proper ETA models from Laco at this price. I've got my Laco Hannover (42mm, no logo, B-uhr typ B, sapphire glass, ETA2824 automatic, brown and black leather straps, nice leather case) for 415 Eur. Bur right about after that, they have changed the whole lineup and the corresponding model from current lineup is Sellita SW-200 based Paderborn for 980 Eur. This is more than twice I have paid, minus second strap (adds another 60 Eur). I'm glad I have my Hannover. Don't understand their artificially faux-aged "erbstuck" models.
Got the standard Aachen type B in 42. Nice watch, but tbh rarely wear it- dunno why. Would buy this if didn't have a Laco already, but suspect it would be used just as infrequently - maybe the style just isn't that versatile, or maybe I just prefer my Seiko divers.
Cool watch, great review as always. Thanks Jody 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Steve!
Yeah. I loved my Aachen 42, but somehow never put it on.
I’ve bought so many nice watches that sit in the drawer, while the Seiko divers always make it out on to my wrist!
I also have the 42 Aachen and it doesn't get as much wrist time as some others. For me, it's the old Miyota movement that feels like mush when I adjust it and I wind it. Love the case and dial, hate the movement.
Also, I ended out swapping out the leather strap because the thick leather riveted strap was too thick on the underside. When I'm at my keyboard, my wrist with the Aachen on it is way higher than the other, making my hands feel lopsided.
Type B for me as well. I love the olive color.
Ghost position, no hacking?? And the price! It's crazy. Just because it is German? Not assembled in Asia by any chance? And the mechanism is also non-German (Japanese). Maybe the high price is justified by the company's history, but in Poland German aeroplanes still have bad associations (because of history, war). The watch doesn't look bad, but the glass caseback with a very ordinary movement looks annoying, especially in the limited edition. For 100 USD I bought a much better Pilot B from the Chinese company Escapement Time. 1/4 the price and the workmanship is better (sapphire, NH 35, nice caseback).
As usual a very good video, I look forward to the next ones. Regards :). .
Wow. That’s the best T-shirt I’ve seen you wear.
I would love to get a Laco but I think it will be outshined by my type B Escapement time, PT5000 version (not the NH35 version), better size, better movement, better water resistance, better looking crown and a third of the price.
outshone, I believe....
The ET from Ali certainly is a nice watch, but even so.... it doesn't quite have the same ring to it, does it? And it's not as if we are looking at hundreds of pounds now, is it?
Thanks for syncing the seconds hands of the watches. I can't help to consider sloppy the youtubers that don't do that. True watch aficionados have OCD!
The made in Germany is somewhat misleading though, it is assembled in Germany but I doubt a lot there is coming from Germany.
So basically you are paying for the brand printed on the dial and a misleading "made in Germany" which only certify that 45% of the full value of the product is spent in Germany.
Designed in Germany (Laco is one of the original Flieger watch brands), surely the most costly part of the production process; German leather strap; assembled in Germany and marketed from there; movement regulated (and rotor engraved?) in Germany. Not sure about those 45%.....
I've got the regular black hacking Aachen 39 and really love it. The only downside in my view is the noisy rotor on the Miyota movement, but don't let it put you off.
Had the Escapement Time 42mm, very nice watch, but ultimately too chunky for me, so sold it on. Been considering Laco 39mm for a while, so this review is nicely timely.
I do think that a type A Flieger can be your go anywhere do anything watch, especially at that 39mm
Don't miss out on Aristo. Old German company but lesser known. I have a 5H100, has a titanium case 38.5mm, an SW200 and type A dial for $450, really a good value I'm enjoying. Sapphire crystal, display case back and 100m WR, and a really nice Fluco leather 20mm strap. They make a lot of different sizes and dial options.
Such a shame they don't offer a dial without date in the smaller than 47mm cases. I really try to like their 42mm B-dial, but with that tiny off-colour date window, I just cannot stand it. If one does not care bout that, they seem like an awesome choice! :-)
Love the case colour and stunning strap . .... will be sticking with my Escapement Time for the time being though !! Great review as always . Cheers .
I agree - TYPE B! My Laco Aachen is my second favorite watch, only edged out in my collection by a Glycine Airman Purist.
Very timely review as I was looking at this watch. A couple of things it's brought up for me:
1. Are the dials on the Type A vs Type B different shades of "Oliv"? Maybe something to do with the AR coating on the B and the lighting/camera, but in this video the A looks significantly darker in several shots (more like Laco's press photos).
2. Ghost date! Very confused by this as I've seen a review of a Aachen Taupe with only 2 crown positions with supposedly the same movement. Maybe some differences in re-assembly once the movements get to Germany, but I can't begin to understand why it would differ on effectively the same watch.
Regardless, thanks for adding to my conundrum, Jody!
Hope to see TRASER and MARATHON watches to be reviewed in your channel ... I think they are gorgeours though under rated.
I really like this watch. A shame the oliv version is not available anymore.
"It now hacks because it's a pilot watch and it's all about accuracy" well if it's all about accuracy it should have been a high precision quartz.
Not in 1938 mate.......
@@JustOneMoreWatch True but did it have hacking in 1938 and a modern movement?
Cracking dimensions. I wonder, when our vintage looking watches are actually vintage, will future generations think this trend was cool or that we were just a wee bit bonkers?
I previously owned the 42mm Aachen. It was beautifully finished. I initially had my reservations about the movement, but it ran beautifully & I can't say I ever noticed a downside. The only 2 things I wasn't keen on was the black hands against the green dial & due to its case finish, it's no strap monster.
4x the price of my San Martin type b with YN55 for a 8 series Miyota??? Hmmm
Ah yes, but the history Brian, the history..... 😉
@@JustOneMoreWatch History don't pay the rent 🤣
@@JustOneMoreWatch What happened to 'a flieger is a flieger is a flieger'? Don't really the see the value in the Laco - you can get a San Martin, Escapement Time or LIW flieger with better specs for half the price.
Such an incredible brand. For me 39 wouldn't be bad at all considering the size of my wrists.
Thanks for the presentation! I live in Pforzheim and the Pro serious with the Baumuster B really got me. I think I'll take a closer look at that model in the metal and build "my own" Laco.
I'm an A Type fan, and think the 39-40mm size is perfect for those of us not flying JU-88s, FW-190s, or BF-109s. While I get that the originals were large, they were large for a reason that doesn't apply to 99.99%(a few people still fly vintage German aircraft) of people wearing the watches today.
The type B is calling my name! I have always wondered why their manual wind movement is so expensive. Oh well, the type B in an auto,would be a great addition to my modest collection.
I also have the 42 Aachen and it doesn't get as much wrist time as some others. For me, it's the old Miyota movement that feels like mush when I adjust it and I wind it. Love the case and dial, hate the movement.
Also, I ended out swapping out the leather strap because the thick leather riveted strap was too thick on the underside. When I'm at my keyboard, my wrist with the Aachen on it is way higher than the other, making my hands feel lopsided.
Still, I have a soft spot in my heart for the fliegers, and Laco is the real thing.
Kudos for the correct pronunciation of “Aachen” 👏 Although one can almost feel the concentration invested 😉
got one in 42 last year. The case is gorgeous.
These look amazing. You really are well suited to say Aachen in a way most of us aren't.
Type B all day! I knew there was a reason I liked you, Jody.
Or if you still find it too expensive but crave the look, Tandorio (I know how you feel about the name...) makes both types A and B powered by a NH35 for as little as 55 € depending on the sales and coupons. And you can get a sterile dial if the name bothers you (it did, to me). The leather strap is even surprisingly great, for the price.
Just want to congratulate you on your perfect pronounciation of Aachen.
Greetings from there
I just bought a Laco 39mm a couple days ago!
The case finish is supposed to ape the original WW2 watches that weren't medical grade stainless steel, and so ended up with a mottled patina.
Worth noting that to spec the AR and slightly better Miyota makes it the same price as a CW Sealander, which has an SW200.
I've owned a couple of Fleigers over the years.. Would still love to own one, but the couple I've had didn't make me want to keep them?? This one looks really nice..
Have you seen the upcoming GA-B2100!!!! They listened... Hurry up and review pls.. Before I buy one!
I’m glad they’ve gone 39. I’ve never looked at my watch once in many thousands of hours stick time.
I had the rotor removed from my Laco Aachen to turn it into a manual wind. I hated the noise and wobble of the Miyota movement.
Miyota does have a 3 hander without date, it's the Cal.82S0 which is use for "open heart" dials, I think it would have worked okay (without open heart, which is not mandatory). Also, not all models are hackable, the newer versions from 2019 on are, but you never know. Anyway, great vid as always!
Great looking but pressed on case back?? Is it just me or do the dials look like they're 2 different colour of olive?
I really wish I could get a 42mm case. I've got a fairly flat and wide 7.5"+ wrist and while I can pull off a 39mm case, the larger cases really look much better on my wrist.
I almost do not want to make this post in fear that increased popularity will increase the prices. In 2023, I purchased my watch online directly from the company and I can say the quality of the product and the customer service is exceptional. When you look at the total package and warranty, these are wonderful watches. Recently, the company is producing variations that offer more modern styling and sizing yet still offers the traditional/pro models.
I love the type A - recently bought one with a blue dial !!!
I love them. I've got the blue Augsburg in an A-dial and the Palermo in a B-dial. I'd get one of these Olivs too if there was a C-dial! Case finishing is bang on, the dials look the business, and the leather straps (optioned on the grey leather for the Augsburg because I didn't like this on a nato) are quality. Yeah, the movements are not fun to interact with at all, but both mine are really accurate. It's an odd one: I think you get a lot of watch for the money - but the innards are pretty lacklustre.
The distressed finish isn’t for me, but they did do a nice job with it. But honestly, for another $500 I would just save up longer and get the Dekla with an impressively hardened case. Not to mention a superior movement and AR. At this price range, one is hard-pressed to beat an RZE. But for someone who really digs the look of the PVD, this is nice.
Jody I bought the standard Aachen 42mm before Christmas & am very happy with it! The olive 42mm was on sale at the time, but honestly did nothing for me. Nonetheless Laco was a watch I’d wanted for some years as I have a few WW2 watches.👍🏼
As someone born and raised in Aachen I can confirm that you’re pronunciation of „Aachen“ is spot on. Especially, for someone that doesn’t speak German as their native language! Also do wear a 39mm Aachen with the blue dial on my wrist on the daily. Love this watch so much! Just like you’re videos then haha. Greetings from Düsseldorf, au huur! 🤙🏻
Hey Jody, could you do a roundup of the best Mechaquartz chronos on the market? I am looking for something with a snap reset that isn't going to break the bank.
As for all Flieger watches, and honestly most watches in general, these would look better without the brand name on the dial
Sterile fliegers do look good, I agree!
Ahhh, so good to have a Scotsman review these Lacos: your pronunciation of "Aachen" is spot on!
I never heard a native Englisch speaker pronouce Aachen so well.
Nice review of some nice watches Jody. But why is the origin of these historic watches always discussed so vaguely? German Air Force from the late 1930s? Oh, right...
Hi there! I watch your reviews very often but never seen any "Curren" watch yet (very cheap with hardlex and chronograph, well made, even the bracelets) maybe it is time to test one? I warn you, they can become addictive!
Orient makes a pilot/flieger watch for around $130, i have the beige one, its very nice and you should check it out.
Laco makes a great watch. I agree at this price Laco makes the best flieger. The best flieger at any price is the Stowa flieger classic in my humble opinion
Spinning rotor and ghost date don't bother me in the slightest. A Flieger isn't at the top of my list but I really like the look of this one.
Great review as always Jody.
My only moan would be a lack of deployant clasp. Pin & buckle system ruins the leather in double quick time and you'll never find an aftermarket deployant clasp that matches that fantastic distressed case
Very nice. However......I find this trend to small watches very disturbing to my force. Particularly in a unit such as a flieger. Thanks for the reviews.
hate that ghost date. makes me want to go with STOWA
I was all ready to order myself an Aachen a few weeks back. Got my mind wrapped around the axel wondering if I wanted a 39, or 42, and just kind of moved on. Sometimes, too many choices causes brain freeze. 😅
Type A is nice. Good dimensions
Great review! Type B for me also!
What a coincidence this video. I placed an order for Augsburg 42 just yesterday. :)
Great vid, the Aachan is on my list, got the escapement time, love it but would love to be able to say it's the original company. By the same token as an actual flieger maker they have the "right" to mess with the recipie, their still more "authentic" than a million slavish re-creations from anyone else..I do think 42's the number tho....
Hi Jordi I bought the limited 42 taupe version B model and it’s one of my favorite of the collection Keep getting positive comments when I wear it Look great Thanks for the review
I like the concept of Fliegers (easy read; simple and tough)...I just don't like printed dials.
I'd rather buy a Steinhart - at least you get an ETA/Sellita movement with them.
I must've gotten really lucky because mine keeps really good time. I've had it for about 6 months now. It's been about 2 weeks since I last set it just checked it's currently +4 seconds. Movement is kinda noisy though. Has it charm though.
I originally started watching your channel for the timegrapher segments. It’s awfully difficult to get a hold of that data. I’d really like to see them come back as it’s not an overly time-consuming thing to add. Cheers mate
I like the size. I'm pretty much a type A guy, I like the cleaner look. San Martin also do a pretty good alternative.
I’m a big fan of the Stowa 36mm bronze flieger but the price is x3 !
So this one is a great contender. 👍
Its a nice looking flieger, but overpriced, same as the basic Laco Aachen. If Im bying something Made in Japan, then Im ok with miyota movt. If Im bying something that says Made in Germany, Im paying for that premium, same as Swiss Made, so Im expecting every part to be german. What Laco is doing with these fliegers is just milking the money, using their historically famous name. If I wanted a miyota movt, I would buy a Orient Pilot or something similar and be happy with it. Its nice, but not worth 440e just because of Laco branding and the fake bronze finish.
Each to their own, but a watch is more than its movement and you can always pay the premium for a more Germanic (but still Swiss) movement (Does anyone make a 100% German flieger for a reasonable price?) Sure the Aachen/Augsberg is a compromise, but it's not as though it's your only Laco option and the price reflects the compromise - One I'm happy with, personally. A Japanese Flieger? I'm afraid my immediate connection there isn't one of longevity! :D
@@marksaxby607 I agree with you, but up to a certain point. Im a watch purist (not a snob) maybe, but still think this is overpriced...this should be a 299e watch at best. Something similar happened with Mercedes. They put Renault engines in their cars, but sell it at premium price. Its just not the same. At this price point, I would add 50e more and buy a Dekla, for example. Cheers!
39 ain't bad for a bezel that small. Large bezel, need a larger size dial to look right, ie 41/42
Hey Jody,
as a german speaking subscriber i feel qualified to say: congrats on your pronunciation of "Aachen"! ☺️👌🏻
The standard model of this is still on my shopping list.
But unfortunately, too much divers on that list to get first! 😅
Thanks for the review!
I wear a type b because of how easy it is to tell the time. Hamilton interstellar is just amazing
Flieger without FL23883 on the side is an abomination :) I am saving up for Friedrichshaffen (Laco Type B "proper" 45 mm)...
I own the Laco Paderborn (Type B 42mm auto) and couldn't be happier. I think I'd be wary of a 45mm. I have an 8" wrist and can comfortably wear up to 46mm in most cases; but the ruler- straight lugs on Laco Originals _really_ add to their percieved size. With zero downturn, a 45mm Laco would sit like a dinner plate on my 8" wrist. May be worth a test fit, if you can make it happen.
That a fingers more the number on the side should have a sterile dial. My Stowa's have them.
I owned a 42mm Augsburg in this style with the olive dial, but I sold it. I thought it was a better colour than the earlier limited editions, like the sand coloured one. In some ways, it felt more like a field watch, which was an interesting vibe for a flieger. But, I dunno, after living with it for awhile, the pretend weathering just annoyed me. I'm still keen to see what Laco does with its next coloured limited edition. PS: My limited edition 42mm Augsburg hacked. So that's been in for awhile now.
The Stowa is nice as well
Think I'll stick with my Delka instead, which is also one of your recommendations.
Type B for me too. Just so different & interesting to look at. Nothing against type A, but I think if I were looking for a clean dial watch I'd choose a different kind of watch altogether
Looks fantastic! This should be a non-limited release with regular case finishing
Need to check out the Hruondland Fliegers.
Only thing I’d change is the color of the leather strap. A bit too much olive for my taste - some distressed grey would’ve been awesome and give it a little bit more contrast.
Would look awsome on a BUND strap. They are comeing back in and as BUND straps are from the war, I think it would suit this watch very well
Thanks for the review, definitely gonna add one of these into my collection..BTW LOVE that shirt there!!
Great video. I would like to see a 200-300€ dress watch with 38-39mm diameter. Yes we girl like dress watches
If you hadn't mentioned it I would not have thought it was green, its a bit subtle. I like the type A, less fussy dial. A bit pricy for what it is.
How do you think this would compare to the Steinhart Nav B-Uhr 44? I love this Laco but the 42mm is discontinued.
My Addiesdive flieger knocks this one easily for $75! 39 mm, sapphire and NH35
Ha! Not much history behind Addiesdive though mate. I'll need to pick one up soon!
Sure, the Addiesdive is cheap but to ignore the history of Laco when it comes to Fliegers is to really miss the point in my opinion.
@@JustOneMoreWatch 300 euro for history? Too much ;)
@@nonamename638 yeah, and not the kinda history I associate myself with
@@JustOneMoreWatch I’m personally okay without the “history” of these particular watches. “We also made these for the Nazis!” is not very compelling heritage.