King Henry VIII always called Jane his "one true wife". I wonder if she too would have fallen out of favor if she had lived longer. Thanks again, be well and be blessed.
If King Henry had lived to see his son die, and if he had no other sons with Jane Seymour, and if she had lived up until then; yes he would of found a way to dispose of her and try with another Queen. I know king Henry would have been much older, but he was egotistical enough and such a narcissist (which many rulers where,) that he would've believed that he could sire another son IMO.
Henry probably would've kept her as his queen, but he probably would've sought out mistresses, or at least a fling or two, or more. But it's also likely a subsequent pregnancy, if she could conceive again, would've killed her.
6 wives and a reformation to produce one son who didn’t reach his majority! I wonder what Henry would think to hear Elizabeth was a successful monarch and not his son Edward.
But then to die after giving birth a few days later is so sad and do you believe that king Henry8th loved her more just because of Jane giving birth to a son ??? Who do you feel or think he truly loved out of all his wives ...
I was very young and I was quite tiny when I had my child. ▪︎▪︎▪︎ My Doctor was away on Conference and I kept getting whomever was "On-call" and kept falling through the cracks. ▪︎▪︎▪︎ I was in labour for 96 hours and just when they finally decided to do a C-section, they found that she was already to far out. I lost so much blood that they had to get someone in to clean it up while I was still trying to deliver her. They gave me an Episiotomy that required 57 stitches to repair. I required 2 pints of blood right after the delivery and was in the hospital for more than a week. ▪︎▪︎▪︎ When I finally saw my Doctor when he got back in town he was furious at the hospital and the Doctor who delivered my daughter. Apparently they expected *both* of us to die during the delivery because this had gone *SO* wrong. My baby had these horrible forceps marks and bruises all over her face and head for over a month. ▪︎▪︎▪︎ Something was done to my cervix and uterus during the delivery that prevented me from ever being able to carry another child to term. ▪︎▪︎▪︎ I had 3 miscarriages, all in my 2nd trimester, before my Doctor figured it out. ▪︎▪︎▪︎ I had to accept the fact that I would *never* have another child because of how I was *butchered* during my 1st delivery. ▪︎▪︎▪︎ I live in Canada so there was no real option to sue for Medical Malpractice. ▪︎▪︎▪︎ I absolutely treasure my daughter and I feel blessed that she's healthy and happy. 💕
I remember when I was in labor with my first. I kept hearing, “Where’s my husband??? I’m going to cut his f**king dick off.” I thought to myself “Am I going to feel that much pain also?” My delivery was relatively painless. When I hear other people talking about their labor pains and how long they lasted, I want to ask someone if I got cheated?!
indeed. My husband's mother was in labor over 24 hours with him.. I can't imagine how anyone can deal with something like that, although they do all the time.
"as all children do..." Thank You, Claire for this informative and clarifying upload about Edward's, surviving son of Henry VIII, birth. Quality work, as usual.
Poor Queen Jane, as a retired registered nurse I'd say that poor hygeine played a major part in her death along with the the probability that part of the placent had been retained. A more experienced midwife would have taken steps to manually remove any remnants of the placenta. Dear God.......may she continue to Rest In Peace.
Jane would have been exhausted but relieved as she had kept her promise to the king to produce an heir and Henry must've been beside himself with joy and relief that all he had been through and put the country through had paid off and he finally had a son on whom he could pass the crown upon his death. I've mentioned this in the past: there is a video here on TH-cam called 'Britain's Tudor Treasure'. It is a reenactment of Edward's christening (in period dress) at Hampton Court. Very impressive. It's hosted by David Starkey and Lucy Worsley.
The "decide between the life of Jane or the baby" scenario was in the Tudors. I believed it as fact from the show, but when I started doing my own little deep dive into the era I chalked the story up to being a fabrication for drama. I didn't know until this video that it was an actual popular story/rumor out there ! Learned something new from you yet again. Thank you!
I heard the c-section rumor a few years ago but as you said she would not have survived the day. Childbirth in Tudor Times was very dangerous even if you were a queen! Happy Birthday to Edward...thank you Claire!
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Patricia Pickett yes that was the new one I’ve never heard of that one before about Queen Jane. As others have commented, I wonder too she would not have fallen out of favour eventually. However, if she survives, she had given him a prince. The ultimate goal of Henry, for him to have executed her for any reason whatsoever, was probably unlikely. But given how irascible ill tempered and ill he was, It is still a possibility.
Just saw the documentary by Lucy Worsley and David Starkey. Beautiful. Love Tudor history. Henry is my many times removed uncle. How did I wind up in Texas?!?!?
i looked up childbed fever or puerperal fever, are any bacterial infections of the female reproductive tract following childbirth or miscarriage.Signs and symptoms usually include a fever greater than 38.0 °C (100.4 °F), chills, lower abdominal pain, and possibly bad-smelling vaginal discharge. It usually occurs after the first 24 hours and within the first ten days following delivery. the most common infection is that of the uterus and surrounding tissues known as puerperal sepsis, postpartum metritis, or postpartum endometritis. Risk factors include Caesarean section (C-section), the presence of certain bacteria such as group B streptococcus in the vagina, premature rupture of membranes, multiple vaginal exams, manual removal of the placenta, and prolonged labour among others. Most infections involve a number of types of bacteria. Diagnosis is rarely helped by culturing of the vagina or blood.In those who do not improve, medical imaging may be required.
There is an old folk ballad, called The Death of Queen Jane, which comes to mind, where Jane asks Henry to allow the doctors to, 'open my right side and fetch the baby,' and to which he callously replies 'No, that I'll never do. If I lose the flower of England I'll lose the branch too'. It was obviously an anti-Henry propaganda song, although im not sure of its origins, showing there was much sentiment for 'Poor Queen Jane' and that the rumour of the caesarian had spread quite wide.
I had always heard that the C-section was rumored to have been her cause of death, but we all know that more than likely without proper anesthesia and ways to stop the bleeding that probably more than likely would have been a death sentence if not instantly, then within a matter of hours. I've always felt so sorry for queen Jane, that in her finest hour she didn't even truly get to enjoy the moment for very long! It's so sad. But I do wonder if Henry would have ordered the doctor to surgically removed his son if she wouldn't have delivered him when she did. I could almost see him being able to make the decision to rip her apart just to get his heir. He did it to Anne literally, and to Catherine of Aragon figuratively! So why would poor Jane have been any different!!
Michelle Godoy She didn’t have a c-section but IF she had, you’re absolutely right, she wouldn’t have survived it. I believe she died of what was called child bed fever, and infection that stems from unsanitary handling during child birth, I THINK it has something to do with the infection at the site of the placental attachment. I THINK it’s called puerperal fever.
King Henry would have had no way to know for sure that the baby was a boy. Im sure he didnt want to get his hopes up after so many deaths of boy babies soon after birth and so many healthy girls born who were guarenteed by his astrologers to have been boys
@@bonnielong5812 yeah thats what I was speculating about as well. She said Jane was in labor for three days!! (6:10) that would suggest there was some sort of complication. Perhaps Edward was breech or too big and ripped her. Either way I'm sure Jane would have been weak and dehydrated after going through so many hours of labor pains which would have left her unable to fight off an infection. Did anyone else hear that Jane was hallucinating when she died? I read that somewhere a few years ago but i dont remember where
@@WhitneyDahlin yeah that's what I'm saying though. It would have been highly unlikely she'd have survived for the christening and all that! But I did do some research on C-section cuz this peaked my curiousity, and found out a farmer had a wife that had a baby in like the 1400s I can't remember exactly what year it said, but a bit before the Tudors and he used his knowledge of pigs anatomy to do cesarian on his wife who had a breech birth and she and the child were probably both going to die. So he did it and stitched her almost like they do now. Stitches on the uterus and stitches on the outside of her belly and she survived, and actually had many more kids after. But who's to know if he wasn't just telling a tall tale. But still I had all 3 of mine C-section n believe me the last 2 the spinal didn't work correctly. I went to 2 different hospitals and the 1st put me out after I told them I was feeling them moving me. The last one didn't she kept putting a cloth over my eyes telling me I needed sensory deprivation and that it was all in my head. Until my heart monitor was beep, beep, beeping to the point where my pulse was like 200bpm and I begged her, and I finally started calling out to Jesus. My husband said if you don't put her out I'm gonna punch somebody cuz I know my wife she's not lying to you she's feeling you so do something for her. N so they gave me laughing gas and I kept sucking it in as fast as I could and knocked myself out, but come to find out a student Dr. Was working on me and finally after she couldn't get my babe out my hubby said the head doctor knocked her out the way and told her she's been open too long and she's woke up like 5 times after the gas we gotta get it done. Come to find out too that if you're having a planned C-section they give you a spinal instead of epidural and so they only last like maybe 45 mins n I was in there like 2 n a half hrs. So I was feeling it. I can't even imagine a C-section without what limited amount of comfort they gave me, but to have nothing at all. I would have died. 😱 When they got my son out and all that poor thing was in distress I just wish I would have had money to buy a lawyer. So then she says we're working on him and he's breathing but you signed for a tubal ligation you still want it right? I told her I won't ever be back in here with you ever again so go ahead take them out clamp them, Lazer them, and then take them out and stomp them in the floor cuz I dont ever want to have another surgery like this one. I don't remember saying it but my hubby tells me about it now and laughs about my response. Now though I do kind of regret it. If I were rich I would have liked another 2 or 3! Lol!! My littlest is 16mos. And I already miss him being so tiny and sweet and precious and watching him be new to the world. But knowing poor Jane didn't get to experience motherhood like we do now is such a sad thought, and she had to suffer so much to get baby Edward here after 3 days of labor, and to not even see all the firsts and be there to hold him and teach him. It makes you think about things differently, and thank God for all that man has learned about birth and the invention of modern medicine and antibiotics. It's sad to think that antibiotics might have just saved her life. Oh goodness sorry for the long comment I was just sharing my own experience, and can only imagine how she must have felt in birth for 3 days with a breech birth and no meds. Just awful!! May she rest in heaven!!
Poor jane she was such a good person 😢 she brought the children back together with their father ❤ after anne spitefully separated them.at least jane got to be with her precious son for a couple of weeks ,rest in heaven good mother.
I really feel for poor Jane. I agree that she didn’t have a C section as she wouldn’t have survived more than an hour or two, let alone a day or two. I always wonder “what if” with history where people die before their time. In this case I wonder what if Jane had survived (& produced another son) and what if Edward had survived. Thank you for bringing us Tudor goodies each day. And it was fun to hear the dogs barking, I didn’t mind it at all.
I live in a little mountain village in Andalucia, Spain. I don't live in a church and I don't even live next to it. Its church tower is quite near, but its sound carries.
🇭🇲🦘 ... What a relief for all at the birth of a healthy baby boy. Jane would have been overjoyed and presumed she would recover from the birth (with time). However, she then died. Sad indeed. Prince Edward did appear to thrive and (as you said) became quite studious and was an intelligent young man. Sadly not surviving into his majority - dying aged 15. "Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍
It wouldn't have surprised me at all if Jane had to have a C-section & Henry chose to save the baby over her. Henry wanted a boy so badly he'd already ditched one wife & beheaded another, so nothing he did would surprise me.
If it was a girl, he might have let Jane live (but I still doubt it as he had now gone about declaring all his female heirs illegitimate and was back to square one). Even a chance it was a boy? No chance, Jane would be dead !
Poor Jane. Some scholars believe the 30 hour hard labor was because Edward was born facing up or sideways. Prolonged labor probably caused shoulder dystocia for Edward. He carried one shoulder higher according to historians. He was born healthy, but Jane was not so lucky. It may be that the rough birth may have caused tears that became infected due to poor hygiene of mid wives. Has anyone heard this?. I’m glad she had days of triumph before it all went wrong. The king was not at her bedside. He didn’t rush to see her when he got the news of her worsening condition. What a heel.
I had a long labour with my first child as he had his back to my back. I got fully dilated after they put me on a drip to speed things up, but he still didn't come and it was found that instead of having his head tucked, he'd got his chin sticking out. In the end, I had an emergency caesarean. So, perhaps something like that happened.
I'm grateful that Edward cooled Henry's fervor to have a son, and regretful that his birth freed his father's mind to darker things. Blessings ate often mixed.
So were my daughter’s twins. She would not have survived . They are now graduated from college and have good paying jobs. Look back on that time and I can remember when my son in law walked out of the delivery room holding two babies.
I think it would be interesting to know how Henrys opinion of his daughter Elizabeth had have changed if he would have known that she would turn out to be one of the most important monarchs in English history. I feel sorry for Anne in this respect. All of Henrys children were gifts. However, Anne provided Henry with the stability he wanted for his country in order to prevent civil war. Anne granted Henry his wish, it just came in the form of a women. If he had realised that there was nothing wrong with a female sovereign before killing Anne, Elizebeth may not have been detered from marriage and the Tudor dinesty would have carried on even longer. Poor Anne for not getting the credit she was due. I believe that both of Elizebeths parents would be content without a boy with the knowledge that we have today.
If Jane would have complained about anything, that made Henry angry, I think he would have found away to get rid of her. He didn't seem to like an out spoken wife.
I do find it fitting that not only did Henry ruin lives to get what he wanted and keep the tudor legacy going but was all for nothing as it was brought to a halt by the daughter of a murdered wife. And ultimately ruined his reputation. As his daughters rule was considered the golden age and he's remembered as a fat, spoilt, fickle womaniser.
From what I understand, Jane was highly intelligent... her and Queen Elizabeth I were supposed to be pretty close in intelligence. That is possibly the reason, and that she was a Protestant.
He actually didn't pass her over originally. His devise went through several drafts and Frances was chosen first, but as he became more ill, he realised that it was unlikely that Frances would have a son, so he chose Jane's heirs. and then Jane herself. It went through various stages as his health deteriorated.
How did jane die then? Was there a mention of childbed fever? It said she was in labor for three days (6:10) which would suggest there were definitely some complications? Perhaps the baby was breech and turned around? Or the baby was maybe just too big for Jane and it ripped her which would mean childbed fever was most likely the cause of her death. Or maybe she was just severely weak and dehydrated after so long in labor, i heard rumors (almost 500 years later and rumors are still going around xD) that she was hallucinating before she died
My father said the opposite when asked that question during my mother's difficult delivery of me. Save the mother we already have a child at home. I went on to be his favorite out of 5 oddly enough.😏
annette fournier If the child was born in a Catholic hospital, and it came down to saving one or the other, the church always deemed the child innocent and must be saved, thereby forcing the sacrifice of the mother.
@@bonnielong5812 Really? And after all the torment that church caused people with their preaching of unbaptised babies and original sin keeping them from heaven to be tortured in purgatory until enough prayers were said in their honor to remove the filthy spot from the "innocent"soul. I've known some pretty great nuns that didn't even buy into that . Pinch of salt they would say on the down low. Lol.
Interesting that the announcement of the birth to the privy council was made by the Queen rather than the king Is that usual ? That the queens made the announcement? Also I suppose a formal announcement would be required but was the bedchamber crowded with nobles or was that a later addition of the Stuarts?
You are right. Jane would have died from the C-section at the time of birth if it were true. The fact that she was alive until Oct. 24th makes the rumor implausible.
Poor Jane. I feel sorry for her like I feel sorry for Anne Boleyn- neither got to watch their children grow and neither child got to know their mothers. Mary got to bond with her mother only for her father to tear them apart, no wonder she had a chip on her shoulder. I also wonder what the succession would have been if Fitzroy had not died... if both Mary and Elizabeth were technically illegitimate then he could have argued they had no more right to the throne than he...
I've wondered about Henry's first son, Henry, Duke of Cornwall. Was he born sickly or did he at least appear healthy and then died a few weeks later because of an illness he contracted or perhaps because of some underlying birth defects/issues? Or is there not enough information to know?
She went into confinement in September 1537 and gave birth to the coveted male heir, the future King Edward VI, at two o'clock in the morning on 12 October 1537 at Hampton Court Palace. Edward was christened on 15 October 1537, without his mother in attendance, as was the custom. He was the only legitimate son of Henry VIII to survive infancy. Both of his daughters, Mary and Elizabeth, were present and carried Edward's train during the ceremony. Jane's labour had been difficult, lasting two days and three nights, probably because the baby was not well positioned. After the christening, it became clear that she was seriously ill. She died on 24 October 1537 at Hampton Court Palace. Within a few weeks of her death, there were conflicting testimonies concerning the cause of her demise. In retrospect from the current day, there are various speculations that have been offered. According to King Edward's biographer, Jennifer Loach, her death may have been due to an infection from a retained placenta. According to Alison Weir, she may have succumbed to puerperal fever following a bacterial infection contracted during the birth
I had always figured that Edward VI was named after King Edward IV, who was Henry VIII's maternal grandfather. Maybe I was wrong though. I didn't know he was born on the eve of the Feast of St Edward the Confessor. Does anyone know if that's who he was named after?
Very interesting. Didn't know that Bessy Blunts boy child lived to age 17. What tough times those people had, though we should not look at their lives with our modern eye's. I'm glad I'm a Christian & have my protestant faith for all these people suffered.
@ Beverly Lorraine ▪︎▪︎▪︎ Protestant eh? You realize that during Tudor times everyone was Catholic before Henry VIII broke with the Church? You ran the risk of being *tortured* or worse, *burned at the stake* for just being a declared Protestant? ▪︎▪︎▪︎ I'm glad that, for the most part, we've gotten past those *stupid* prejudices. ▪︎▪︎▪︎ May HEAVENLY FATHER Bless you and Keep you. 💕
I wonder what Jane Seymour's dinesty would have been if she had lived after child birth ! Perhaps if she had given him many more sons he would have adored her until his death.
Claire: I assume you have seen every video on Tudor history but in case you have not I have just seen something so extraordinary I will risk providing one of my (usually) faulty links. th-cam.com/video/exBhe7N8Lgg/w-d-xo.html This is about finding and proving the existence of the marriage bed of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. I have never seen anything like this, nor explored meanings of esoteric carvings, etc. (I sure wish I was able to hunt antiques in England. I have some spectacular furniture and a few things going back to the 1500s but I have about no chance of ever finding something like this royal bed. Well, if I found something that special I would donate it to a museum but it would be exciting just to find a great and forgotten piece of art.) A more recent investigation into the death of Jane Seymour suggested that Problems arose because royal doctors attended the birth instead of midwives who had more experience in such matters. It was suggested that she would have fared better if she had been a less exalted personage and had been attended by midwives. For what it's worth.
King Henry VIII always called Jane his "one true wife". I wonder if she too would have fallen out of favor if she had lived longer. Thanks again, be well and be blessed.
Maybe not since she was able to give him the son he had been wanting..the one thing would have kept her in his favor
If King Henry had lived to see his son die, and if he had no other sons with Jane Seymour, and if she had lived up until then; yes he would of found a way to dispose of her and try with another Queen. I know king Henry would have been much older, but he was egotistical enough and such a narcissist (which many rulers where,) that he would've believed that he could sire another son IMO.
of course she would have----Henry was a poopoo head with women!
I feel like she would be honored and loved above all if she had lived after giving birth to Edward.
Henry probably would've kept her as his queen, but he probably would've sought out mistresses, or at least a fling or two, or more. But it's also likely a subsequent pregnancy, if she could conceive again, would've killed her.
6 wives and a reformation to produce one son who didn’t reach his majority! I wonder what Henry would think to hear Elizabeth was a successful monarch and not his son Edward.
I bet she was relieved of all that pain,and the worry and stress of everyone who expected a Prince.
But then to die after giving birth a few days later is so sad and do you believe that king Henry8th loved her more just because of Jane giving birth to a son ??? Who do you feel or think he truly loved out of all his wives ...
@@raeannhoward2231 I don't know who he loved the best, not sure he even knew what love was. I think he loved power and the crown, that's all.
My first labor was 45 hours and ended with a high forceps delivery. I feel for Queen Jane!
Oh no! Mine was long and ended up in an emergency caesarean.
I was very young and I was quite tiny when I had my child.
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My Doctor was away on Conference and I kept getting whomever was "On-call" and kept falling through the cracks.
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I was in labour for 96 hours and just when they finally decided to do a C-section, they found that she was already to far out.
I lost so much blood that they had to get someone in to clean it up while I was still trying to deliver her.
They gave me an Episiotomy that required 57 stitches to repair.
I required 2 pints of blood right after the delivery and was in the hospital for more than a week.
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When I finally saw my Doctor when he got back in town he was furious at the hospital and the Doctor who delivered my daughter.
Apparently they expected *both* of us to die during the delivery because this had gone *SO* wrong.
My baby had these horrible forceps marks and bruises all over her face and head for over a month.
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Something was done to my cervix and uterus during the delivery that prevented me from ever being able to carry another child to term.
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I had to accept the fact that I would *never* have another child because of how I was *butchered* during my 1st delivery.
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I absolutely treasure my daughter and I feel blessed that she's healthy and happy. 💕
I remember when I was in labor with my first. I kept hearing, “Where’s my husband??? I’m going to cut his f**king dick off.” I thought to myself “Am I going to feel that much pain also?” My delivery was relatively painless. When I hear other people talking about their labor pains and how long they lasted, I want to ask someone if I got cheated?!
36 hours and high forceps too i feel for you I couldnt of gone any longer then 36 hours!
@@sandranorman5469 no the pain sucks!
Poor queen Jane. What an incredibly long labour she Must have been in such agony and exhausted. RIP
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indeed. My husband's mother was in labor over 24 hours with him.. I can't imagine how anyone can deal with something like that, although they do all the time.
@@sassytbc7923 you just keep going
Her relief must have been two-fold. Relief on having a son and heir for Henry and a bonus! She gets to keep her head! 😄
If you think about, her labor was worse than losing your head. She died horribly
Another great video Claire ❤ love the fur babies barking.
"as all children do..." Thank You, Claire for this informative and clarifying upload about Edward's, surviving son of Henry VIII, birth. Quality work, as usual.
Poor Queen Jane, as a retired registered nurse I'd say that poor hygeine played a major part in her death along with the the probability that part of the placent had been retained. A more experienced midwife would have taken steps to manually remove any remnants of the placenta. Dear God.......may she continue to Rest In Peace.
Got a cat cameo and the arrival of a prince. I imagine how happy Henry must have been. Sad that Jane died shortly afterward.
Jane would have been exhausted but relieved as she had kept her promise to the king to produce an heir and Henry must've been beside himself with joy and relief that all he had been through and put the country through had paid off and he finally had a son on whom he could pass the crown upon his death.
I've mentioned this in the past: there is a video here on TH-cam called 'Britain's Tudor Treasure'. It is a reenactment of Edward's christening (in period dress) at Hampton Court. Very impressive. It's hosted by David Starkey and Lucy Worsley.
Seen that, very interesting.
I've seen that video. Its excellent & I've watched it several times.
Yes, I'll be talking about his christening and will be putting a link to that video in my description as it's fantastic.
Michael Wright thank you for sharing!
Hello Michael, I watched this last evening and it was excellent even though I don't especially like David Starkey who I find biased and anti-catholic!
The "decide between the life of Jane or the baby" scenario was in the Tudors. I believed it as fact from the show, but when I started doing my own little deep dive into the era I chalked the story up to being a fabrication for drama. I didn't know until this video that it was an actual popular story/rumor out there ! Learned something new from you yet again. Thank you!
I heard the c-section rumor a few years ago but as you said she would not have survived the day. Childbirth in Tudor Times was very dangerous even if you were a queen! Happy Birthday to Edward...thank you Claire!
UGH... Henry makes me ill. He died with his real true love, himself. Thanks again, Claire! xo
I couldn't have said it better!!
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Damn if your name is Jane, never go anywhere near the throne! Your tenure as Queen won’t last long and it’ll all end in tears!
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I'd never heard the C-section rumor! Definitely a death easily avoided today.
Patricia Pickett yes that was the new one I’ve never heard of that one before about Queen Jane. As others have commented, I wonder too she would not have fallen out of favour eventually. However, if she survives, she had given him a prince. The ultimate goal of Henry, for him to have executed her for any reason whatsoever, was probably unlikely. But given how irascible ill tempered and ill he was, It is still a possibility.
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“When my son was newly born, I died...”
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Just saw the documentary by Lucy Worsley and David Starkey. Beautiful. Love Tudor history. Henry is my many times removed uncle. How did I wind up in Texas?!?!?
i looked up childbed fever or puerperal fever, are any bacterial infections of the female reproductive tract following childbirth or miscarriage.Signs and symptoms usually include a fever greater than 38.0 °C (100.4 °F), chills, lower abdominal pain, and possibly bad-smelling vaginal discharge. It usually occurs after the first 24 hours and within the first ten days following delivery.
the most common infection is that of the uterus and surrounding tissues known as puerperal sepsis, postpartum metritis, or postpartum endometritis. Risk factors include Caesarean section (C-section), the presence of certain bacteria such as group B streptococcus in the vagina, premature rupture of membranes, multiple vaginal exams, manual removal of the placenta, and prolonged labour among others. Most infections involve a number of types of bacteria. Diagnosis is rarely helped by culturing of the vagina or blood.In those who do not improve, medical imaging may be required.
There is an old folk ballad, called The Death of Queen Jane, which comes to mind, where Jane asks Henry to allow the doctors to, 'open my right side and fetch the baby,' and to which he callously replies 'No, that I'll never do. If I lose the flower of England I'll lose the branch too'. It was obviously an anti-Henry propaganda song, although im not sure of its origins, showing there was much sentiment for 'Poor Queen Jane' and that the rumour of the caesarian had spread quite wide.
Yes, I think these rumours and ballads spread as the king became more unpopular.
I had always heard that the C-section was rumored to have been her cause of death, but we all know that more than likely without proper anesthesia and ways to stop the bleeding that probably more than likely would have been a death sentence if not instantly, then within a matter of hours. I've always felt so sorry for queen Jane, that in her finest hour she didn't even truly get to enjoy the moment for very long! It's so sad. But I do wonder if Henry would have ordered the doctor to surgically removed his son if she wouldn't have delivered him when she did. I could almost see him being able to make the decision to rip her apart just to get his heir. He did it to Anne literally, and to Catherine of Aragon figuratively! So why would poor Jane have been any different!!
I agree wives were cheap! As Anne Boleyn said "There's always another whore in the Howard nursery!"
Michelle Godoy She didn’t have a c-section but IF she had, you’re absolutely right, she wouldn’t have survived it. I believe she died of what was called child bed fever, and infection that stems from unsanitary handling during child birth, I THINK it has something to do with the infection at the site of the placental attachment. I THINK it’s called puerperal fever.
King Henry would have had no way to know for sure that the baby was a boy. Im sure he didnt want to get his hopes up after so many deaths of boy babies soon after birth and so many healthy girls born who were guarenteed by his astrologers to have been boys
@@bonnielong5812 yeah thats what I was speculating about as well. She said Jane was in labor for three days!! (6:10) that would suggest there was some sort of complication. Perhaps Edward was breech or too big and ripped her. Either way I'm sure Jane would have been weak and dehydrated after going through so many hours of labor pains which would have left her unable to fight off an infection. Did anyone else hear that Jane was hallucinating when she died? I read that somewhere a few years ago but i dont remember where
@@WhitneyDahlin yeah that's what I'm saying though. It would have been highly unlikely she'd have survived for the christening and all that! But I did do some research on C-section cuz this peaked my curiousity, and found out a farmer had a wife that had a baby in like the 1400s I can't remember exactly what year it said, but a bit before the Tudors and he used his knowledge of pigs anatomy to do cesarian on his wife who had a breech birth and she and the child were probably both going to die. So he did it and stitched her almost like they do now. Stitches on the uterus and stitches on the outside of her belly and she survived, and actually had many more kids after. But who's to know if he wasn't just telling a tall tale. But still I had all 3 of mine C-section n believe me the last 2 the spinal didn't work correctly. I went to 2 different hospitals and the 1st put me out after I told them I was feeling them moving me. The last one didn't she kept putting a cloth over my eyes telling me I needed sensory deprivation and that it was all in my head. Until my heart monitor was beep, beep, beeping to the point where my pulse was like 200bpm and I begged her, and I finally started calling out to Jesus. My husband said if you don't put her out I'm gonna punch somebody cuz I know my wife she's not lying to you she's feeling you so do something for her. N so they gave me laughing gas and I kept sucking it in as fast as I could and knocked myself out, but come to find out a student Dr. Was working on me and finally after she couldn't get my babe out my hubby said the head doctor knocked her out the way and told her she's been open too long and she's woke up like 5 times after the gas we gotta get it done. Come to find out too that if you're having a planned C-section they give you a spinal instead of epidural and so they only last like maybe 45 mins n I was in there like 2 n a half hrs. So I was feeling it. I can't even imagine a C-section without what limited amount of comfort they gave me, but to have nothing at all. I would have died. 😱 When they got my son out and all that poor thing was in distress I just wish I would have had money to buy a lawyer. So then she says we're working on him and he's breathing but you signed for a tubal ligation you still want it right? I told her I won't ever be back in here with you ever again so go ahead take them out clamp them, Lazer them, and then take them out and stomp them in the floor cuz I dont ever want to have another surgery like this one. I don't remember saying it but my hubby tells me about it now and laughs about my response. Now though I do kind of regret it. If I were rich I would have liked another 2 or 3! Lol!! My littlest is 16mos. And I already miss him being so tiny and sweet and precious and watching him be new to the world. But knowing poor Jane didn't get to experience motherhood like we do now is such a sad thought, and she had to suffer so much to get baby Edward here after 3 days of labor, and to not even see all the firsts and be there to hold him and teach him. It makes you think about things differently, and thank God for all that man has learned about birth and the invention of modern medicine and antibiotics. It's sad to think that antibiotics might have just saved her life. Oh goodness sorry for the long comment I was just sharing my own experience, and can only imagine how she must have felt in birth for 3 days with a breech birth and no meds. Just awful!! May she rest in heaven!!
Poor jane she was such a good person 😢 she brought the children back together with their father ❤ after anne spitefully separated them.at least jane got to be with her precious son for a couple of weeks ,rest in heaven good mother.
I am such a nerd for this... I nodded when she named “Cheek” as a Tudor to Edward VI. Wish I could do this for a living as you do!
Thank you! I do enjoy my job.
🇺🇸one of my dogs was in the room and woofed when the dogs were barking ! 🇬🇧
Ha!
My and Edward have the same birthday!!
Happy Birthday today! Hope it's a lot of fun!
Joyful yet so sad.
Henry is exhausting
I really feel for poor Jane. I agree that she didn’t have a C section as she wouldn’t have survived more than an hour or two, let alone a day or two.
I always wonder “what if” with history where people die before their time. In this case I wonder what if Jane had survived (& produced another son) and what if Edward had survived.
Thank you for bringing us Tudor goodies each day.
And it was fun to hear the dogs barking, I didn’t mind it at all.
When one dog in the village starts, they all start!
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I can imagine!!🤣
What country do you live in Claire? And do you live in a church or just next to one? Loving your videos :)
I live in a little mountain village in Andalucia, Spain. I don't live in a church and I don't even live next to it. Its church tower is quite near, but its sound carries.
Long live the Prince!🤴
🇭🇲🦘 ... What a relief for all at the birth of a healthy baby boy. Jane would have been overjoyed and presumed she would recover from the birth (with time).
However, she then died. Sad indeed. Prince Edward did appear to thrive and (as you said) became quite studious and was an intelligent young man. Sadly not surviving into his majority - dying aged 15.
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It wouldn't have surprised me at all if Jane had to have a C-section & Henry chose to save the baby over her. Henry wanted a boy so badly he'd already ditched one wife & beheaded another, so nothing he did would surprise me.
Yes, I'm sure he would have chosen the baby if it had come down to it.
If it was a girl, he might have let Jane live (but I still doubt it as he had now gone about declaring all his female heirs illegitimate and was back to square one). Even a chance it was a boy? No chance, Jane would be dead !
Poor Jane. Some scholars believe the 30 hour hard labor was because Edward was born facing up or sideways. Prolonged labor probably caused shoulder dystocia for Edward. He carried one shoulder higher according to historians. He was born healthy, but Jane was not so lucky. It may be that the rough birth may have caused tears that became infected due to poor hygiene of mid wives. Has anyone heard this?. I’m glad she had days of triumph before it all went wrong. The king was not at her bedside. He didn’t rush to see her when he got the news of her worsening condition. What a heel.
I had a long labour with my first child as he had his back to my back. I got fully dilated after they put me on a drip to speed things up, but he still didn't come and it was found that instead of having his head tucked, he'd got his chin sticking out. In the end, I had an emergency caesarean. So, perhaps something like that happened.
I thought it was 'A surfit of lamfrey' that did for her.........that was the popular theme at that time.... amazing.
That was Henry I, rather than Jane.
I'm grateful that Edward cooled Henry's fervor to have a son, and regretful that his birth freed his father's mind to darker things. Blessings ate often mixed.
My twin sons were locked in a transverse position so a C section was needed. None of us would have survived during the Tudor period!
It's scary to think about, isn't it? My eldest son and I wouldn't have survived either.
My eldest child and I would not have survived either.
My son was also transverse and I also needed a C section.
He weighed 10lbs 10ozs at birth.
So were my daughter’s twins. She would not have survived . They are now graduated from college and have good paying jobs. Look back on that time and I can remember when my son in law walked out of the delivery room holding two babies.
Can you tell me please when HamptonCourt ceased to be a royal residence? Thank you.
It's still a royal palace today, but I think George II was the last monarch to use it as a royal residence.
I think it would be interesting to know how Henrys opinion of his daughter Elizabeth had have changed if he would have known that she would turn out to be one of the most important monarchs in English history. I feel sorry for Anne in this respect. All of Henrys children were gifts. However, Anne provided Henry with the stability he wanted for his country in order to prevent civil war. Anne granted Henry his wish, it just came in the form of a women. If he had realised that there was nothing wrong with a female sovereign before killing Anne, Elizebeth may not have been detered from marriage and the Tudor dinesty would have carried on even longer. Poor Anne for not getting the credit she was due. I believe that both of Elizebeths parents would be content without a boy with the knowledge that we have today.
If Jane would have complained about anything, that made Henry angry, I think he would have found away to get rid of her. He didn't seem to like an out spoken wife.
I do find it fitting that not only did Henry ruin lives to get what he wanted and keep the tudor legacy going but was all for nothing as it was brought to a halt by the daughter of a murdered wife. And ultimately ruined his reputation. As his daughters rule was considered the golden age and he's remembered as a fat, spoilt, fickle womaniser.
Why did Edward pass over Frances Grey when he named Lady Jane as his successor? Also I love when the kitties make an appearance in these videos :)
From what I understand, Jane was highly intelligent... her and Queen Elizabeth I were supposed to be pretty close in intelligence. That is possibly the reason, and that she was a Protestant.
He actually didn't pass her over originally. His devise went through several drafts and Frances was chosen first, but as he became more ill, he realised that it was unlikely that Frances would have a son, so he chose Jane's heirs. and then Jane herself. It went through various stages as his health deteriorated.
How did jane die then? Was there a mention of childbed fever? It said she was in labor for three days (6:10) which would suggest there were definitely some complications? Perhaps the baby was breech and turned around? Or the baby was maybe just too big for Jane and it ripped her which would mean childbed fever was most likely the cause of her death. Or maybe she was just severely weak and dehydrated after so long in labor, i heard rumors (almost 500 years later and rumors are still going around xD) that she was hallucinating before she died
My father said the opposite when asked that question during my mother's difficult delivery of me. Save the mother we already have a child at home. I went on to be his favorite out of 5 oddly enough.😏
Beautiful !
How awful to have to make a choice like that!
@@anneboleynfiles Thank God for nurses! They popped me out before the doctor got back into the delivery room.🥰
annette fournier If the child was born in a Catholic hospital, and it came down to saving one or the other, the church always deemed the child innocent and must be saved, thereby forcing the sacrifice of the mother.
@@bonnielong5812 Really? And after all the torment that church caused people with their preaching of unbaptised babies and original sin keeping them from heaven to be tortured in purgatory until enough prayers were said in their honor to remove the filthy spot from the "innocent"soul. I've known some pretty great nuns that didn't even buy into that . Pinch of salt they would say on the down low. Lol.
Interesting that the announcement of the birth to the privy council was made by the Queen rather than the king Is that usual ? That the queens made the announcement? Also I suppose a formal announcement would be required but was the bedchamber crowded with nobles or was that a later addition of the Stuarts?
You are right. Jane would have died from the C-section at the time of birth if it were true. The fact that she was alive until Oct. 24th makes the rumor implausible.
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Poor Jane. I feel sorry for her like I feel sorry for Anne Boleyn- neither got to watch their children grow and neither child got to know their mothers. Mary got to bond with her mother only for her father to tear them apart, no wonder she had a chip on her shoulder. I also wonder what the succession would have been if Fitzroy had not died... if both Mary and Elizabeth were technically illegitimate then he could have argued they had no more right to the throne than he...
Is your tattoo also Tudor related??
I've wondered about Henry's first son, Henry, Duke of Cornwall. Was he born sickly or did he at least appear healthy and then died a few weeks later because of an illness he contracted or perhaps because of some underlying birth defects/issues? Or is there not enough information to know?
She went into confinement in September 1537 and gave birth to the coveted male heir, the future King Edward VI, at two o'clock in the morning on 12 October 1537 at Hampton Court Palace. Edward was christened on 15 October 1537, without his mother in attendance, as was the custom. He was the only legitimate son of Henry VIII to survive infancy. Both of his daughters, Mary and Elizabeth, were present and carried Edward's train during the ceremony. Jane's labour had been difficult, lasting two days and three nights, probably because the baby was not well positioned. After the christening, it became clear that she was seriously ill. She died on 24 October 1537 at Hampton Court Palace. Within a few weeks of her death, there were conflicting testimonies concerning the cause of her demise. In retrospect from the current day, there are various speculations that have been offered. According to King Edward's biographer, Jennifer Loach, her death may have been due to an infection from a retained placenta. According to Alison Weir, she may have succumbed to puerperal fever following a bacterial infection contracted during the birth
I had always figured that Edward VI was named after King Edward IV, who was Henry VIII's maternal grandfather. Maybe I was wrong though. I didn't know he was born on the eve of the Feast of St Edward the Confessor. Does anyone know if that's who he was named after?
It was probably a combination of the two.
Very interesting. Didn't know that Bessy Blunts boy child lived to age 17. What tough times those people had, though we should not look at their lives with our modern eye's. I'm glad I'm a Christian & have my protestant faith for all these people suffered.
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Protestant eh?
You realize that during Tudor times everyone was Catholic before Henry VIII broke with the Church?
You ran the risk of being *tortured* or worse, *burned at the stake* for just being a declared Protestant?
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I'm glad that, for the most part, we've gotten past those *stupid* prejudices.
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May HEAVENLY FATHER Bless you and Keep you. 💕
@@seariakett4209 why thank you !
Are those tattoos on your left arm, Claire?
I wonder what Jane Seymour's dinesty would have been if she had lived after child birth ! Perhaps if she had given him many more sons he would have adored her until his death.
Claire: I assume you have seen every video on Tudor history but in case you have not I have just seen something so extraordinary I will risk providing one of my (usually) faulty links. th-cam.com/video/exBhe7N8Lgg/w-d-xo.html This is about finding and proving the existence of the marriage bed of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. I have never seen anything like this, nor explored meanings of esoteric carvings, etc. (I sure wish I was able to hunt antiques in England. I have some spectacular furniture and a few things going back to the 1500s but I have about no chance of ever finding something like this royal bed. Well, if I found something that special I would donate it to a museum but it would be exciting just to find a great and forgotten piece of art.)
A more recent investigation into the death of Jane Seymour suggested that Problems arose because royal doctors attended the birth instead of midwives who had more experience in such matters. It was suggested that she would have fared better if she had been a less exalted personage and had been attended by midwives. For what it's worth.
Yes, what a discovery! I love Jonathan Foyle and am so excited about metting him in May. It really what a wonderful find.
Heartbreaking story really. Henry may have considered Jane his only real wife because of Edward.
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Jane probably got an infection due to not all of the placenta coming away
If that had happened she would have bled to death.
Lies did & will always exist by persons with agendas.
What a tragedy her labor was awful!!!
Women suffer so much in childbirth.