April 1 - Henry VIII courts Jane Seymour
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- The Rise of Jane Seymour: Henry VIII's Pursuit of a New Queen
Step back in time to April 1st, 1536, as I uncover the intriguing tale of King Henry VIII's burgeoning affection for Jane Seymour, a lady-in-waiting to his queen, Anne Boleyn. 🏰
Join me as I delve into the clandestine courtship between the king and Jane, revealed through the meticulous records of Eustace Chapuys, the imperial ambassador. Discover Jane's bold refusal of the king's advances, her steadfast commitment to her honour, and the calculated manoeuvres of courtiers seeking to sway Henry's affections.
Explore the political intrigue, romantic entanglements, and looming consequences that heralded the dawn of a new era in Tudor history.
Don't miss this riveting journey into the heart of power and passion at the Tudor court. #TudorHistory #HenryVIII #JaneSeymour
Jane was the complete anthisis of Anne, fair to the point of colourless with an insipid demeanour that actually hid a rather determined character, the original wallflower who would walk into a room without making an impression, yet I feel she was a wolf in sheeps clothing, Chapyus and his marvellous accounts of life at the Tudor court informs us that she was schooled by her elder brothers to play the virtuous maiden, and her action of returning the Kings gift was just a charade in the plan to hold his interest, sometime the King had noticed Jane and he had visited her father's house previously, maybe there she had made an impression upon him and tired of his queens fiery behaviour and outbursts of anger, he became enchanted by this sweet young woman who was like a gentle breeze to the queens
Henry was such a cad.
Yes - a womanizer Henry xviii certainly was - he also used coercion to get whatever he wanted. I guess it was good to be king, lol
Wow this is the first time I've heard about that side of Jane Seymour. She didn't get to enjoy her "prize" for very long, did she.
It was probably Anne's miscarriage that sealed her fate. If she had given birth to a living healthy son, history would have been different despite anything Jane or Henry would have wished to do.
The same could be said of Catherine of Aragon.
@@dante2davinci78 Absolutely!!
Jane Seymore may well have schemed her way to the throne, but I'm willing to bet she trembled for her own future when it became apparent what would happen to Queen Anne.
I'd like to think that Jane was smart enough to know that her life was in danger the moment it became clear that Henry was seriously interested in her. It's hard to say how much of a willing player she was in her rise. How much of it was her family and how much of it was her own personal ambition?
Jane is generally portrayed a the sweet, docile blonde to Anne Boleyns fiery, tempestuous brunette. I always doubted that was the whole truth. Whatever Janes flaws & sins were, she really had no more joy in her marriage to Henry than either Catherine of A or Anne B. If anything she was queen for less than 2 years before suffering & dying from an agonizing childbirth tp a boy whose time at the throne served as a foot note to sister Elizabeth's glorious reign. Just a small bit of karma at work there.
I don't like to think of Jane's awful death as karma but I think it is important to point out that Jane did play a role in Anne's fall, although it's hard to know how much choice she had in it.
I agree. No one deserves to suffer the way Jane did & I misspoke. I suspect Jane was strongly manipulated by those around her & did as she was told out of obedience & as the crown as the ultimate reward.
It’s really rather sad. Other than his first two wives, I doubt that any of the rest had any love for him. They were just pawns of their families.
Jane was not too submissive as people may think, she was a practicing Catholic and she managed to have the King treat better Mary and Elizabeth, and I heard that she tried to give her opinions regarding religion, with the King admonishing her and reminded her of the fates of his previous wives. Love your channel Claire, happy belated Mother’s Day 😊♥️
Katherine Parr narrowly escaped for daring to debate religion with the king. Luckily, she was able to convince him she was only trying to "learn" from him. She was probably very lucky that Henry died first.
Had Jane lived Henry would have tired of her too but the fact she had a son would have given her the protection that he wouldnt be able to get rid of her so easily. Same thing if Anne had given him a son.
Hi Claire hope you're feeling better! You sound much better. Your dog makes the same grunting noise that mine make when they scratch their ears. They must have hit that spot! I wonder if Anne had thought of what she did to Katherine of Aragon when she discovered Henry & Jane. Talk about Karma. 👑👸🏰🎪🎭
I love all these videos, and I love all the information we have received from Eustace Chapuys. Could you do a separate video just on him? I know he was at court during so much of Henry VIII’s reign, but he has been portrayed as being more loyal to Catherine of Aragon and of course, Mary I (to be). He just fascinates me as a character that was just as close to the fly on the wall as we’ve got!
Thank you so much for this information. I’m learning about Tudor History and I’m glad to have found your channel.
Bravo! Thank you so much for sharing those facts about how Jane Seymour was encouraged to tell the king about how everyone repudiated his marriage to Anne Boleyn. I had always wondered how that he had went from obviously loving Anne to revealing her in such a short space of time. Now it makes a lot more sense to know that he was told that the whole Kingdom hated his marriage and considered it invalid. Thank you for making sense out of that! Poor Anne! Poor Catherine!
Thank you for sharing your Tudor knowledge, I am obsessed with them now. I have a special soft spot for Queen Anne and it angers me that Jane Seymor is doing the same thing as the "concubine" to win the Kings heart and she is regarded by many as his great love. I feel her wish to be queen is as strong as the men coaching her and she is a large reason Anne lost her head. By no means do I feel Anne a saint, the part she did in play in the demise of Catherine of Aragon is inexcusable however I think if not for Jane perhaps Anne and Henry might have made it long enough to produce a son. Thank you for letting me rant. Love your channels and websites!!! Best Regards, your biggest fan😄
He didn’t let the grass grow under his feet, did he? “Next!.........”
All that maneuvering and plotting and scheming just for the kings favor. The Boleyns out.....the Seymours in. There were so many different factions at court. Sounds like a brawl for a piece of meat. Thank you for the video. Feel better.
Claire, I love these videos and am amazed at your ability to look lovely every single day! Your knowledge and skills are far more important, but I must say that if I did a video every day, I would never look as put together and pretty as you! As always, thank you very much for your time and effort that go into all these videos. I so appreciate your work.
Thank you!
I totally second this statement!
Thank you for all you do. I enjoy these daily Tudor videos immensely. ❤️
I also meant to ask, if we went back in time, would we be able to talk to the Tudors and understand each other
We'd have to get used to their accent and their pronunciation, but, yes, we would. David and Ben Crystal have done some wonderful videos on "original pronunciation", looking at how Shakespeare's work, for example, would have sounded to an Elizabethan audience. See th-cam.com/video/YiblRSqhL04/w-d-xo.html
@@anneboleynfiles I'd love to see one of the Bard's plays with the original pronunciation. I understand they do so occasionally at the rebuilt Globe.
Hi Claire, could you do a series of videos on all 6 wives, as it would make a fab series, I am bit fed up of tv dramas about them, I would rather know the truth about these 6 Queens? 🙂👍
I luv these videos. I watch them every day. I’m a huge history buff anything tutor.
I love hearing about Jane
Love these videos Claire. Thank you
Thank you for this great video and the low down on Jane. I’ve always thought she was ambitious and as David starkey says, steps pretty cool like through Anns blood.
Keep drinking the Ginger Tea and honey. It will work. get well soon
I’m so enjoying these Tudor stories. I’m already starting to miss seeing you telling us things when this Tudor year is done. Please think of something else for us. Jan inSoCal
Jaynene Ewing I remember Claire saying that more than one incident happened on any given day of the year. So next year she might start over with new stories. Aren't we lucky?! Huzzah! 👑👸🏰🎪🎭 Have a great day! 🙋👋👍✌💙😎
Poor Jane. What was she wanting? Money & Power still rules the greedy today. Nothing changes except bathing/cleaning habits and I for one am so thankful for that.Thank you, Claire!
I thought Mary Queen of Scots bathed every day
@@davegalloway7641 dental hygiene, rushes on the floor, food, rodents no real running water. Mary was way ahead of her time. I meant in general. :)
@@aimee2234 Thank you
Your videos are wonderful! Thank you for the insight you provide to all these events.
Hi Claire, I have always been interested in Tudor history and enjoy your videos.
Honestly this one of my pet peeves with Jane Seymour she does the very same anne does yet she not a Home wrecker ? I kind of find that a serious problem and double standard I never understood that even as a kid I won’t mind a more flawed jane shown more often that would’ve been an interesting story to tell .
I am enjoying these videos very much. I have read that Jane was poorly educated. Especially compared to Anne. I also read that she was a bit of a prude.
Who marries a man who executes his wife?! Ick.
I do enjoy your videos! It's so interesting to learn about Tudor history :)
She didn't have a choice.
Faith Summers...You can't equate today with back then. Women had no rights back then and were basically property. They did what they were told to do by their families. If her father told her "you will marry the king" then she had no choice but to marry him.
I’m not complaining... more of a constructive criticism ... I’ve noticed your repeats have become more frequent. For instance when you speak about the kings reaction around 2:36, it then cuts to you saying the same thing again around 2:56.
Anyhoo! Look forward to your show every day! You’re a trooper!
Sorry, sometimes I get carried away and want to emphasise a point! I try to be natural rather than scripted and so do repeat.
What a jerk Henry was. There is nothing that says more about him pursuing young women while still married. It is hard to be convinced that the "only thing he wanted was a son". He sounds like a stalker to me, an aging man after young women to restore his lost youth. Repulsive. Jane must've known what was in store for her with the offered present of a bag of sovereign's. And, add to the fact he was chasing her in January and didn't get rid of Anne until May. Sorry you are still sick.
I also think that the men in these families were instrumental in using their daughters and sisters to gain favor for themselves through the women. Back then in a court it was all theater, struggling for power and position and especially for the king's ear. I should think the women could easily become ruthless as they probably had great teachers.
Loving the videos Claire...more..more!! 😀
I wish more people would acknowledge that Jane was far from the sweet, innocent pawn that many like to portray her as. She didn’t flinch when it was clear that Henry wasn’t going to rid himself of Anne by an annulment and married him when Anne was barely cold in her grave. She seemed quite comfortable with betraying the mistress she’d sworn allegiance to and was a ruthless, scheming player in Anne’s downfall.
Jane Seymour was a staunch Catholic. Both she and Anne served under KOA's household for a time. Anne swore the same oaths to Katherine, but hardly meant them, as she would have seen Katherine dead if she had her way as soon as she became queen.
Jane adored Katherine as both a queen and mistress. She genuinely liked her and reportedly wept when her family bade her to leave Katherine's services to go to Anne's instead. Jane was never loyal to Anne- like Anne was never loyal to Katherine.
@@kiera6326 Some think Jane really wanted revenge and justice for KOA and princess Mary. That´s why she agreed to seduce the king and later asked to bring mary to the court.
@@vilwarin5635+ Yes, that was probably a big factor in it aswell- even if, at the end of the day, she would have had no choice but to do it anyway.
I find it sickening that anyone would be "coached" on how to make a man turn from their wife to themselves. How horrible! Not so much a "good gentlewoman" in that sense.
Hi Claire, may i ask Did Anne Boleyn speak with a French accent, and how tall was she
Dave Galloway I’d say Anne probably did speak with a French accent as most of her education and formative years were in France. I also remember reading somewhere that she was only 5’3 or 4. Tall for a Tudor woman but average today.
@@lhzook Thank you so much
Do you think we could hold a conversation with the Tudors, ie old english and new english
Dave Galloway Don’t thank me yet. Let’s wait for Claire for confirmation. She’s the authority.
There's no mention of Anne having a French accent, but Lancelot de Carles, secretary to the French ambassador, wrote that in France "Wherein her graces she so enriched
To the extent that nobody considered her English In her ways, but native French" so she obviously spoke French with a native accent and fitted in well. It's hard to know whether she spoke English with a French accent, though. I suspect not. She had been educated in England for a few years before going to France. My children have been brought up in Spain and speak Spanish fluently and with a native accent, but also speak their mother tongue, English, in an English accent.
Regarding her height, she was said to be of average height, "middling stature", and the remains that were examined in 1876, which were believed to be those of Anne, were said by the pathologist to be 5′ - 5’3 inches in height.
Thank you.
I love your videos & watch them every day but they aren't very friendly to the hearing impaired. When you upload your videos, you can edit the transcripts in the studio when you upload them. ;)
Great video Claire ;-)
stormy tempest, it was I believe her very nature which enchanted him, she must have seemed to the King that she was everything he looked for in a queen, she would never berate him and nag him like Anne did, she could be a popular queen as he knew his wife was wasn't, furthermore she could give him sons, for apart from his interest in an lady's particular attractiveness, his first thought was always for a prince to inherit after him, as yet all he had to show for his two marriages were two daughters and he was aware he was growing ever older, Chapyus states that Jane was told to drip poison in the Kings ear about his queen but I do not quite believe that as that could be committing treason, her first duty as one of the queens ladies was loyalty and respect and Henry knew that, her brothers on noticing his especial interest in their younger sister ambitious as they were, saw a glorious opportunity for power, through Jane they could achieve their unscrupulous ends which later was to end tragically on the scaffold for both of them, I think Jane is a mystery as we know nothing of her feelings about the King or his queen, and wether she delighted in carrying out her brothers orders or merely did as she thought she should, I hit the comment button on the first post by mistake before I had finished so I had to send this second one, Jane was Annes nemesis and as soon as his eye lighted on her, I feel Annes days were numbered, like Katherines years before.
From your videos I assume that this Queen found favour with the king because (1) she bore gim a son (2) She was kind to all kis kids and brought them together - which I think any good wife and mother should do be they from another marriage or born out of wedlock As always I take great delight in your videos. They are hidden gems in an ordinary day.💮❤💮🔸️💮
Good old Eustace Chapuys! I think it's really interesting to think of Jane because it's easy to play the "what if" game with her, because if she didn't die so many people's lives would have been different. England might have been different. It might have become Catholic again.
Isn't it ironic that Jane Seymour & her family replicated the behaviour of Anne Boleyn in order to ensnare Henry? As for Jane's part in this...I do not believe that ladies at Court really had the personal power to say 'No' to the king. When Austrian Emperor Franz Josef fell in love with his cousin, Elisabeth of Bavaria -- *centuries later* -- in the 1800's, Elisabeth's mother remarked that one did not say 'No' to an emperor....
@UCwcFx_5QpkHGSi-N8X45Fig "When you play the Game of Thrones, you win or you die." Works for the fictitious Lannisters and it worked for the historical Tudors.
Oh yes! The *Worst* scheming Tudor woman -- imho -- was Margaret Beaufort, mother of King Henry VII. She plotted *relentlessly* to put her son on the throne, & she was an incredibly obsessive/compulsive figure. True 'Cersei' material!
I would love to know what the "coaching" consisted of? Did the person who reported it use that term?
From one researcher to another, I'm hoping you are able to answer my question. During the Great Migration from England to the Colonies in the New World, members of the Cromwell, Gassaway, and Pindell Families settled in what is now Maryland in the USA. I'm in America and I've been trying to determine where I can research when members of these families left England, where in England they were living at the time they decided to leave, and the possible reason they decided to leave England for the New World. My research has hit a brick wall at 1696 and evidence indicates these folks arrived somewhere before 1696. Thanks for any suggestions.
I haven't researched the migration and colonisation very much, I'm afraid.
I cannot understand Jane Seymour. Was she pushed by her family? Was she complicit in what happened to Anne? Even if she stumbled into the relationship with Henry she should have said NO after Anne was executed. There is NO excuse for Henry killing his wives! Considering brothers Thomas and Edward eventually ended up losing their heads, perhaps the Seymour clan was strong on self promotion and weak on Christian morals.
I think she was very much used by her family and the Catholic Conservatives at court.
Anna Morris...Yes, Jane was pushed by her family. Her brother Edward was coaching her. Back then a woman was pretty much obligated to do what her family told her to do. As for saying no after Anne was executed....you didn't say no to the king. And, again, her family would've probably sent her to a nunnery if she'd said no.
I always ask myself of how her son, Edward, feels about his mother..
She was his mother and he never knew her. How do you think he felt? How would you have felt?
HI I love your daily videos - however towards the end of each video I get extremely sleepy - u have a loving story telling voice - I wish you could show us some items or illustrations from that era along with your commentary - I do have one question during the time of Henry and Elizabeth the first, I do believe India was being ruled by the Mughal emperor Humayun and then by his son Akbar - was there ever any communication between the two kingdoms? was Henry aware of India or was there ever an ambassador from India in Elizabeth's court ?
There was diplomacy between England and India in Elizabeth I's reign, I believe.
Seymours = weasels.
Also, you do sound much better. I hope you feel better, too!
Apologies not necessary. We love dogs grunting and bells ringing so appropriately. Jackhammers, meh, but what can you do?
Listening to you, I understand that Anne Boleyn was an innocent, well meaning woman of strong integrity.
Thank you once again for you giving us our daily dose of the Tudors. ... would have serious withdrawal symptoms if you stopped!!!! Have always disliked Jane Seymour with a passion. ... didn't know why but have realised now that it's because she truly was the opposite of everything she made herself out to be... get well soon...
Sounds to me like Jane played Henry like a violin! I think she knew exactly what she was doing, refusing that present of money and telling him she would accept it. "only if I would make an advantageous marriage." I think Jane was very smart to do that, not unlike Anne of Cleves! Wouldn't Jane know of Henry's declining affections for Anne?? Always look forward to the Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society notification!
Have you made a video about the Chapuyis (?) commentator Claire? Sorry if I've missed it but he's clearly a prime source of information. Who was he?
Eustace Chapuys.
He was the Emperial Ambassador in England and he basically saw all the ups and downs of Henry's wives from Catherine of Aragon to Catherine Parr.
So he is a prime source of all that happened because he was there at any annullment or execution of those Queens.
Thank you, that's much appreciated. I shall look him up.
I always think poor Anne, never poor Jane. I'm not sure I have much respect for Jane I believe she set her cap high because she liked the idea of being queen.
No different than Anne. Lol
robin pinkham Her brothers liked it even more! They milked it for all it was worth. Especially Edward!
I feel sorry for them both.
I have read recently that Henry might have been married 7 times? What do you know about this please? These videos are so very interesting and I enjoy them! Thank you!
To whom?
Maybe betrothed 7 times. One fell through I think though.
🇭🇲🦘 (viewed 27/03/2021) .. I've never believed that Jane Seymour was as innocent as she is made out to be in history, and I've no doubt that Anne Boleyn's knowledge of the King's interest in Jane, didn't help her pregnancy one bit. Stress can cause much!
This knowledge may not have caused Anne's miscarriage, but the stress would not have helped. Just my opinion (for what it is worth).
Thank you Claire 👑👍
to be sure , jane was sly boots . I doubt , the she was the innocent she portrayed herself to be , I think she was dying to replace anne and produce an heir.........she got what she wanted..........just not in that order.........
I'm not sure how much choice she had in it all.
Claire you need to boil that birds nest! Henry liked shiny new things...plus he was obsessed with having a son..Jane had a son & died in return she got to be buried next to Henry...Anne did not have a son & she got her head chopped off....and Henry just kept collecting wives...
PRETTY DIRTY OF JANE AND FAMILY. Jane did not glve care of Anns cruel death. That was planned befor the mescarage. The King Harry was out looking . It. Would not have mattered if Ann had a son or not. Ann would have died and things may have been much worst.
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I do not believe in karma and I feel very sorry towards Jane who went through a very difficult labour to give the King a prince, only to die not long afterwards, its difficult to vilify or praise Jane as she's a closed book, I said I feel she's like a wolf in sheeps clothing but we have no knowledge of the workings of her mind, we knew what Anne felt about Katherine as she was very outspoken but we do not know how Jane felt about Anne, who after all was her own cousin, I think she possibly disliked her for personal and political reasons, Jane was fond of the lady Mary and she was a catholic, so she must have abhorred the new religion, strange when we know her little son was to grow up into a die hard reformist who in his reign England did go through the reformation which started with his father and Anne Boleyn, Jane was not to blame for Annes death anymore than Anne was to blame for Henry V111's treatment of Katherine, they were both the catalysts for the King abandoning his wives however, but not responsible for his deciding that his first wife should be banished to a desolate castle or that his second should die by the sword, in the case of the latter it was both Cromwell and the King who decided Annes fate.
I have always felt like poor Anne could have gone to the King, and said "We've had a good run", and asked for a retirement package! LOL. If she had done that, maybe she'd not have been executed? I don't know. I think maybe execution was the only way out, for her, considering the mood of the court. So very sad. :(
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As an Anne fan, I've never been able to like Jane Seymour.
It's hard to know how much choice Jane had in it all though.
I feel you sis! Team Boleyn here!
I know, and I accept that she didn't do anything Anne didn't do before her, but I can't help it. I can't stand her, despite myself. lol
@@aprilnelson9044 even though it can be that she had little choice in this, the fact that she married a man that murdered his wife to marry her leaves me quiet upset.
Especially because the accusations moved against Anne Boleyn where false and she died as an innocent woman.
Is it possible that Jane S caused AnneB miscarriage? It's been medically documented that with couples one dies one soon follows 💔.
I don't think so but stress, about Jane, about her husband's accident etc. could have had an effect on Anne's health.
In terms of stress, it's possible. Knowing the man you are pregnant by is in love with or sleeping with someone else would be horrendous. And she probably didnt know how far it had went or didnt. I imagine it was enough to drive someone mad with worry.
The aristocratic women didn’t really have a say in their futures...their families could have them sent to a nunnery just to be rid of them if they felt they could not make an advantageous marriage to benefit their family....is that correct?
Yes