Which One Of These Old OG Gas Guzzlers Is the Thirstiest? Go Big Again Pt.2
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0:00 intro
0:53 Guess the MPG
3:52 Denver 100 Fill Up
10:00 Under the Hood
13:06 MPG Loop Continued
16:08 Rear Cargo Compared
17:56 Special Features
18:48 End of Loop
19:55 MPG Results
23:27 Scoring & Verdict
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Those GM400s are still my favorite Tahoe design. Such clean lines
Ya because it's one clean line from one side of the block to the next
Agreed. That's why I bought a '99 2 door Tahoe Sport 7 years ago.. with NOT the barn doors.
Really good mileage on that Tahoe in the video.
I know I have NEVER seen 18mpg, but I am running BFG AT KO's
Agreed. One of the most timeless and handsome exteriors on any vehicle ever. Looked great new and still looks great now. A true American classic.
I love those seats. My 2002 was the best !
I got a 96 Silverado basically the same thing very nice vehicles 288k original miles runs great no motor problems but got it’s issues
5:12 "I don't have cruise control because Andre bought this." 😆
He will have to live with that for the rest of his life lol!
It’s Andrei he’s Russian
'i say 23!'
*very distant andre: 'wHaT?!?'
lmao
Millennials know what a manual antenna is. We're 40. My first vehicle was a 1990 Isuzu.
Some millennials are still in their 20s
Roman probably thinks that there are some Millennials that are still in High School.
34 y/o millennial checking in first vehicle was an 87 F-250. The vehicle my mother drove around in when I was young was a banged up 1961 chevy pickup, followed by an early 80's chevy celebrity. Roman seems like one more boomer that doesn't know what year millennials stopped being born so applies the term into the 2000's.
im gen x. I'm a couple years too old to be a millennial. Considering I was born in 1980 it's weird to be in the same group as people born in the late 60s
@@canyonero2050I’m the last year of millennials and I turned 30 this year
Beautiful minty barn door Tahoe! 18.8mpg without cylinder deactivation.
This is what the government took away from you.
With 3.73s too.
yeah, those barn doors are awesome for loading stuff with a forklift. It is very difficult to load the Expedition with a forklift (but we managed it).
My 97 Express conversion van was always 19-20 mpg on the highway with the 5.7L.
My 98 suburban got 18-22 on the highway all day long on long steady trips.
The hilarious trio are back.
Please do more challenges like these, you three produce the greatest content.
Dad had one about 15 yrs ago. A 2000 expedition Eddie Bauer with the 5.4L. thing was a beast and could tow just about anything. Had a 2000 explorer Eddie Bauer 4.0L afterwards.
Miss both of em.
Love to watch these guys be friends. You can tell they are more than colleagues.
Roman, Millennials understand the power antenna, we were kids in the 90’s. It’s Gen Z that’s probably shocked by the mighty power antenna.
People tend to forget that we grew up with corded home phones, VHS an Cassette tapes, and were lucky to have dial up internet. Were the last generation to live pre technology revolution.
Thank you! I remember a time before cellphones and internet were household items at 32 years old
I think “millennial” is the default term that pre-Millennials go to when they’re talking about those younger than they are. I’m technically a “millennial,” and I’m 41 years old. I assume Raunchy Roman is only in his 50’s, so he really ain’t that much older than I am.
I was thinking the same thing. I'm a young Gen x, my slightly younger brother is a millennial and he's 41 and his first car was a 1987 Chevy.
Us GenX named you millennials while we were in high school in the 90s, it means kids that would remember almost nothing but the new millennium. Millennials were born 90-08 according to long documented factual documented generational years, not the fake years so popular by millennials lately. Stop stealing half my generation with your bogus made up years.
Back when GM seats were actually really comfortable. I miss those.
I miss those plush, deep cushioned seats so much. My work has a 2020 Suburban and the seats are excruciating. Flat bottom that has absolutely no plushness or comfort and the back is rock hard. My muscles are screaming after riding in that thing for more than an hour.
I love the seats in my 97 Yukon. They're like a La-z-boy recliner.
@@ThePioneerSpiritI know what you mean... '97 Silverado 2500, and '97 Suburban 2500 SLT.
I love them too. The only downside is the wear fast. Hard to find an old GM vehicle with a good drivers seat.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770agreed! Our 2018 Tahoe seats suck! Our 2011 is much better.
We were one of the first to get the expedition in 97. It was a beige XLT on steel wheels. The looks and compliments I used to get driving it. Mind you I was 17 (it was my dad's). It was a great truck. We then got a 99 with sold it at 240,000 miles. Not a hiccup and we used it to tow a boat often. They just aren't made like that anymore. It's a shame.
I inherited my uncle's 04 Expedition Eddie Bauer that he bought brand new. I drove it to 338K while still using it for Lyft and would regularly get complements on it. It ran like new, had ice cold AC, and all the bells and whistles worked like new. Over those 338K; it only needed an ignition coil. It's still the favorite vehicle I've ever had and regret trading it in. CarMax was amazed when they seen how many miles it had on it and how good of shape it was in. It handled very well thanks to the long travel IRS and was also quite capable off road with some AT tires.
The first and second gen Expeditions with the 2V Modular engines are some of the best vehicles on the road.
@OhPhuckYou Did those have the 4.6 or 5.4? We had a 97 F150 and drove that thing 240k miles before selling it. It was such a sharp looking truck. People regularly complimented it when that body style first came out.
And of course he shows the engine after I ask that LOL. 5.4 triton it is then. I'm sure they've said it before I just wasn't paying attention.
@@TheMeanmarine13 The second gen Expedition had both the 4.6 and 5.4 Triton. 03 and 04 had the 2 Valve Triton. 05 and later had the 3 Valve variants of the Triton.
@@TheMeanmarine13the original Expedition came standard with the 4.6 but optional 5.4. I don’t think there were too many 4.6s.
Probably the peak of SUV. That Tahoe was not cheap back in the day. Andre said $37K sticker price which today amounts to $71,000. During the high gas prices of the mid/late 2000s these things were about being given away. I'm assuming many were destroyed with cash for clunkers program.
GMT400's were the 6th most destroyed vehicles during cash for clunkers. Sad.
@@ThePioneerSpiritfilms?
My single mom bought a new 2002 Tahoe v8
Which was passed down to me last year 20+ years later.
It has never been in the shop except for routine maintenance oil, brakes , spark plugs battery. That's it.
It needs new rear shocks and I think it needs a ball joint on the driver's side.
Still running strong. 188k on the dash, and I'd have no fear to drive it to Colorado and back.
In town mpg is crap at 10-12 mpg.
But out in the country.
I live in a very hilly area of East Texas.
I can manage 16-17mpg.
Can confirm, albeit with very different vehicles of the same era. 2002 Avalanche Z71, my grandpa bought it new. He got about 17-18 with it, I couldn’t keep 16 because I like v8 noises. Still runs great, minimal maintenance. I just acquired an 01 gmc sierra 1500hd, 4x4 6.0L, and I believe I get about 13-15 mpg on 285/75/17s.
18:25 You get this totally wrong, Nathan. The wheelbase on a 80's series LC is 112 inches. The wheelbase on that Tahoe is 117.5 inches. The wheelbase on the Expedition is 119 inches.
I had a 95 Landcruiser, with the locking diffs. Most versatile SUV I ever owned. But it was a GAS HOG
Cant beat gmt 400 or 800 best bang for your buck , most reliable , cheapest to fix , easily worked on ...
And shockingly good mpg with those 350 v8s.
Ya I'm gm all the way but I have to work on my own stuff so it only makes sense
All three were great vehicles back in the day and even today they would be great. Simple engines, simple 4x4, no complex electronics to break. What does Andre always say? Everything you need and nothing you don't. ( Outside of cruise control). Perfect Sunday morning fun video. I need to correct myself here
It is Roman with the "everything you need and nothing you don't"
My bad 😬
I don’t know I’d call expeditions all that reliable. I’ve only owned 1, but it was a handful. Compressor for the air ride always going out, constantly chasing a misfire no mechanic in my area was ever able to find, windshields leak causing a computer under the dash to fry twice before the windshields was pulled to reseal. Did I mention it was a dog trying to tow anything?
@@AdvantureRoad
What year was yours? How many miles on it? How much weight were you towing? They are simple engines, not sure why they couldn't fix a miss.
I have a newer Tahoe and even if you baby it you barely get 20mpg highway… these older vehicles get pretty much the same mpg as todays “ultra technologically advanced” vehicles
Uhhhhh I’d blame the EPA for that 😂
Id say if the epa would leave em alone they could focus on making more efficient vehicles not worrying about different exhaust systems to collect the carbon outputs.
And the money you don't spend on a new vehicle will buy a LOT of gasoline.
@@om617yota7 It's getting increasingly difficult to find the old fullsive SUV's like the ones in this test that haven't been ruined or have succumbed to rust. I haven't seen a 90's Landcruiser in over 15 years. Most people that have a Tahoe from this era know what they have and won't sell, and the ones that are for sale were neglected to the point you'll be spending tens of thousands to try and save it from the crusher.
Compare the curb weights and crash testing scores and you'll know why.
GM and Chevy offered a tailgate on their 2 door, 4 door and suburban models all the way up to 99. I have a 94 two door and love my tailgate.
I haven't seen those vehicles on the road for years in Canada and down there they look like they just rolled off the lot, crazy
My 1997 Tahoe 2 door mirrors Andre's results. Plus it has 270,000 miles and we still take ~1,500 mile trips in it. Just got back from beating on it for 3 hours at Hot Springs Off Road Park where it owned the mountain! Best value ever in a used truck.
Agreed! I love my 1997 2 door Tahoe LT Z71. Drove it off the showroom floor! Best looking SUV ever made imho.
Unfortunately no vehicles are made so sturdy and reliable anymore, my neighbors growing up would tow a catamaran boat with their Tahoe.
I love Those 2 door Tahoes
@@imkwuzn i have a 2000 z71 love it
Funny those trucks have better mpg than my 24 trd pro tundra
Just proves all that technology just weighs the vehicle down in a new one lol
You don’t think you can get the same or better fuel economy on a similar drive cycle? Also having the comfort, features and over double the torque has its advantages.
True manufacturers keep making vehicles bigger and heavier due to the epa and emissions the epa thinks big vehicles can have lots of emissions compared to smaller vehicles, however with the right tuning and gearing you can get great mileage with a modern engine and drivetrain in older vehicles
Heavier due to safety
In the v6? Curious as to what your real-world mpg is. Google says your to be 18 city / 20 hwy.
I give props to Nathan for his mpgs in the Expedition. Even with bigger tires than Andre and no cruise control in the heaviest vehicle, he was 2 mpg shy of the Tahoe. I think he could've closed that gap more with cruise control
Unless the road is always flat cruise control gets worst mpg cause it’s can’t see the hill your about to climb so once it sees the mph drop it’s to late and it floors it instead of a person seeing it and giving it a little more gas before the hill and keeping a lower throttle percentage through out the hill
This series is some of if not the best you’ve done on this channel.
My Dad's daily driver is a 2000 Tahoe, I might be off a year, but driving back and forth from Ohio and Florida pulling a cargo trailer. He tells me he gets around 14 mph pulling the cargo trailer, 18 without towing.
My 03 Yukon XL averaged 18.2 mpg on my last trip from Michigan to Georgia. That's with fuel calculations at the pump rather than the vehicle tracker
My last road trip, I went 437 miles, filled up, put 7.282 gallons in it, which with the calculator came out to 60 MPG. I've very happy with my little car. Not quite as luxury as a big SUV, but still nice enough to feel good at the end of a long trip. (:
The Tahoe has stood the test of time the best because it’s the closest to having the features of today’s vehicles that everyone wants. So Chevy was definitely ahead of the curve in that regard.
Also Andre and Nathan need a lesson in opening an envelope 😂.
Guys if you look on the inside of the fuel flap you will find the spot where to put the fuel caps
Nathan's in his element... Given him to lead this segment..
Let's go Chevy. Big fan of GMT400 platform. Best mpg I ever got out of my 97 suburban is 18.3mpg cruising at 74mph. Have gotten 18mpg before, but 18.3 was the best and most recent ever got. On the highway, I will typically see 16-17.6 mpg depending on the speed. 18.8 mpg even on a tahoe is mind-blowing for a stock suv, but sure you all cruise at a lower speed than I typically do.
I like your "mileage loop" tests. I've been doing these on my vehicles since I've bought my first Geo Metro,3/5. I now own an '04 & '06 Toy Cor. and a 91 Blazer FULL SIZE. I do mileage loops whenever I do any major maintenance. It helps me know when things are beginning to go/ something is needing some care. Good Job , Fellas!
Go big and the OG crew. TFL, more of this please!!! This is amazing
Andre!!!! you owe me one cup of coffee i spit all over my computer with your comment about the fuel filler cap!!! dammit!! hahahhahah
gl with the cleanup!! hopefully, he doesn't have to owe you a new keyboard or whatever
As an owner of a lifted Lexus GX460, I can confirm, Toyota doesn't strive for fuel efficiency lol.
This 3 guys are probably my favorite youtubers 😂 they just have so much fun doing their videos🤌🏽
Shoot, my 03 Tahoe gets like 13.5 on highway. 14.5 if I really baby it. But, it's got a small lift with very aggressive 33s, spare on the roof strapped to a roof basket that is 8 about 10 inches tall, with lights on the roof as well and a homemade winch mounting system... and tow mirrors.... and 4.56 gear ratio in the axles. The 4.56 gears really brought the mpg up. I was getting 9.5-10 in the city and about 11 highway, even driving like a grandma. Currently get about 12-12.5 city and up to 14.5 highway.
I love the Tahoe because my aunt had one when I was a kid carried us every where.
They were a really clean design too. When maintained and a detailed, they look great even today.
The Expedition is awesome on long road trips. My ‘02 has gotten me from Delaware to San Antonio with no issues. Twice. So smooth and comfortable 💪 and ya know, when you’re having fun, nobody pays attention to gas mileage 😅
This was fun, guys. Thanks for doing it. Until last year I had a 2002 5.4L F150 King Ranch. It performed similarly to the Expedition Nathan drove - 15-16 mpg. I sold mine last year after 22 years of reliable service. for $10,000. It's still running strong - saw it on the highway the other day.
That 5.4 sounds great till the plug decides it want to see the moon
I have owned many brands of trucks. Believe it or not, the least costly maintenance wise was the chevy half ton with that darned 350 and EFI. Well, over 400k maintenence free miles. But the paint flaked, and the brakes were lacking. But that mid ninety Z 71 regular cab 8 foot bed regularly got about 18.5 mpgs, tooling down the highway at a good clip with 3.73s. Amazing.
Brake lines was usually the the weak point. Nobody changes their brake fluid and causes them to corrode from the inside out.
@@karlschauff7989happened to my '03 silverado. Bad fuel filler too, everything connected to the fuel tank is broken. Give me a ford body with a dodge interior and a chevy engine!
im only about 30 seconds into this video, but we used to have a 1996 Toyota Landcruiser and it got less mpg's than a 1997 GMC Suburban that we had in our fleet at the time. Just wanted to say it in advance :)
LOVE these classic SUV comparisons. These are what's still affordable for the majority of Americans, and speaking as somebody who is looking to upgrade to a bigger, solid axle vehicle soon, it is super valuable
Non rust belt trucks… I’m jealous!
Roman, I have a 95 80 Series as well, but I have 35” tires, drawer system, expedition rack, and I only achieve about 10-12 mpg’s on the highway. You did really well!!
Had a black fully loaded 99 Tahoe back in the day. That is one of the few vehicles I have ever owned that I truly miss. Just a great vehicle all around.
That’s actually pretty good for the Landcruiser. I’ve got a 92’ LC and it used to get 12mpg regularly with the 4.0L I-6 running 33” tires. I swapped a 6.0LS and 4L80 into it around 5 years ago, 3” OME Lift and 35” tires, gets around 16mpg now. My 15’ Tundra 4wd usually only averages around 14mpg.
Not bad at all. Great job Tahoe.
I would love to get one of that generation Tahoe or Suburban sometime.
My sister had that generation Land Cruiser, I thought I really liked them until I actually drove it. It felt like something out of the '70s.
😂 ok
What and the shitbox American Land Yacht of the same time were better🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@darrengray2309 They drove a lot better, yes. But Toyota fanboys gonna fanboy.
@@plmn93 As if there aren't annoying Chevy and Ford fanboys, eh?
@@plmn93 Every automaker has done stupid stuffs. Toyota too. Especially, Toyota BEVs are so subpar, it hurts me.
Love these series! Keep it up guys.
I would love to see these 3 trucks engine swapped with engines that are 20 years newer, an L83 in the tahoe, a 5.0 coyote in the expedition and either a 4.6 or 5.7 iForce in the land cruiser.
Here in Yuma, Az, before they added the alcohol to the fuel, I was able to get 14.1 city, and 21.4 on the freeway loop,(going into California), some 60 miles round trip, @ 68 MPH. Since we've had that nasty Ethanol, it's like 11 city, and 15 hwy, same route. Give us our GASOLENE BACK!!!!!
TFL classic right here.
the obs pre 2000 chevy tahoe...probably nicest looking truck out there...plus comfortable and reliable and simple...i have a 2000 tahoe z71 in the dark blue and i love it
i like the split gate on my element too. its also handy for transporting couches n whatnot.
That suburban is clean
Thats not a Suburban
@Mark_Asreadu don’t have to be a nerd to know this bud it says Tahoe in the thumbnail
I still Rock a 95 Chevy with the TBI 350 everyday. Truck just won't die
I’m blown away that Land Cruiser got 16mpg. I was so expecting 11
Placing bets - Ford: 16. Chevy: 17. Toyota - 13.5.
EDIT having watched it: Impressive for the Toyota. I remember getting a big highway MPG boost when I had 33's on stock gears. My current long term average with 33's and 4.56 gears, according to my always running Torque app (yes Andre, the Land Cruiser was OBDII compliant before it was required in 1995), is 12 mpg. Mostly city. On the highway I've seen as high as 17, but usually around 13.5
Gm V8's are pretty efficient engines!!
In Oklahoma, I avoid Sinclair because of their slow pumps and dirty filters. Great to know that they're consistent across the country!
Wow, 6.6 gallons to go 111 miles. That is insane! My cars tank is only 9.8 gallons. When I have used 6.6, I am at 1/8 of a tank according to the gage. With my tank, I've gone up to 430 miles, and put 7.2 gallons in it. I like my 1.2L I3.
Living on the east coast with the rolling country roads and no traffic I find i can top cruise control by about 2mpg using my foot so the speed increases going down hill and decreases going uphill instead of constantly downshifting. I have a '97 suburban family hauler 2" lift 265/75-16 3:73 that averages mid 19's, a '97 expedition 5.4 tow rig with 2" lift 265/75-16 3:74 that averages mid 17's when not towing and a 2000 expedition xlt 5.4 performance improved engine with 2" air bag lift 265/75-16 3:55 that averages high 17's when not towing. The 97' Eddie Bauer has the extreme tow/4x4 option and can out tow the burban while being exceptional to park even with a trailer due to length and turning radius.
All around 300k miles with no major services and only regular maintenance might I add. But they all did start out with the cream of the crop drivetrains
Expecting your 80 to get 9mpg makes me feel much better about my 1994 80 with 3" lift on 35s and stock gears getting 14.5 on my last trip.
Andre', You might want to check on that rear end ratio. Most Tahoes that year came with a 3.42 rear ratio! The Z71Tahoe had the 3.73. Old Marine and owner of a 1997 Z71.
Those MPGs are not bad considering your going 75MPH.
I had a 97’ Landcruiser. 3 inch lift etc. it got 10mpg no matter what driving the conditions were. I got tired of 10mpg pretty quick.
Man that Tahoe is mont mint. You dont see thwse that clean anymore. 118k mi on that 350 means it just got broken in. The TBI 350s that came before them are even more simple and reliable but these Vortecs are pretty damn stout on the reliability front.
I would love to have that Tahoe.
I've had several 80 series landcruisers in my life. It's almost unfathomable to think that they could have squeezed 16.3MPG out of that. I've never seen mileage like that ever, over the course of owning 4 of them previously. Mind you I do live in a bit more of a hilly area, but even straight highway I had a hard time cracking 12mpg on my completely stock 80 series. My lifted 97LX with 35s (same vehicle just lifted) I couldn't break 11mpg on the highway no matter what I did. My mileages were all hand calculated, using the 30 second rule too. Sheesh!!! I live at sea level though - It must be the altitude!
We had a 22 4Runner TRD Offroad for a short time, took a 6,500 mile road trip and it only got 16.2mpg for the whole trip. Sold it after the trip. Gutless and lowsy milage.
Those 4.5 petrol landcruisers were considered pretty powerful back in the 90s
Another great video, keep them coming.
No 12v lighter in the fire chief’s truck, but multiple water filled filtration devices; must of been very found of clean air when responding to the 30th incident of some puts starting a “small campfire” using a pallet about 5’ from their neighbor’s house.
The first time I drove an 80 series up the hill from Denver, I wondered if there was something wrong with the rig. It was operating normally. I was shocked on the way back down a couple of weeks later that the 80 series actually slowed down as it was going downgrade. The drivetrain losses must be enormous on top of the underpowered engine. Of course, I didn't object to needing less brake to get down. I will say that I did manage to hypermile the rig at times and got a shocking 19 across West Texas loaded down with various hiking gear, food, and water. It was my uncle's rig and he couldn't believe the numbers. I still would be tempted to swap the engine to get more performance at elevation if I owned one.
I have a 1998 k1500 sierra pup that has 230,602 miles and climbing. It has the 305cu vortec that's never been opened too my knowledge, although that might change within the next year or so and still probably gets around what the yukon got for fuel economy I haven't done the math recently. I'd buy it again, it's been a great vehicle for me.
The heroic trio.
Good TEAM effort TFL
My dad had a 1999 GMC Suburban equipped like the Tahoe. The only difference was that it was a 2WD version and it regularly got over 16 MPG combined.
Shoudah had a sequoia. Apples to apples.
Me: *opens TH-cam* "Man, there's nothing to watch anymore"
TFL: *uploads*
Me: 👀
Thanks
@@TFLtruck Anytime 🤝
My 2004 Suburban K2500 had barn doors and a rear window wiper for each door. Looked weird but it did sort of work.
Makes me miss my 98 Suburban. Except when filling up the 44gal fuel tank.
2:42 Killroy is at it again. He can go anywhere, dont you know.
Hey Roman, the land cruiser needs a new charcoal canister, too much pressure on the gas tank when you unscrewed the filler cap. Be careful at higher elevations...
It's no SUV, but I just got back from a 650 mile trip in my 2011 TDI 6 speed wagon, 51mpg!! Diesel FTW!
It's fun to drive my 6.0 diesel, but dang it gets maybe 20mpg.
DMX chorus was not expected in a TFL video 😂
I hope you guys take these on the Ike with about 4-5k behind them.
You guys are awesome together. Keep up the great videos
Thank you! Will do!
Hey, just a little heads up on that gas cap on the Land Cruiser. I don’t think it should be pressurized like that. I had a 97 Silverado that did that and it caused a lot of problems mechanically. Look into it, but might want to clean the vent, leave the cap a bit loose, or get a new cap.
Andre is a trip. 😆 "And a mile above sea level.' 😆 Andre deserves a medal for how fast he licked that envelope.
Have you guys ever purchased and exercised a Jeep Commander, 2006-2010 model, preferred limited with the Hemi V8. 2009-2010 had 360 HP.
Just bought a Landcruiser 95 series w/TDi and Im getting 29.5 highway, 25 city with 10ply LT tires. Just depends what engine you get.
Yes, if it is that slow then the filter needs changing. Happens where I work all the time, though usually for the diesel. Edit: Oh yeah, and I wrote this while in a drive-thru in a 97 2 door Tahoe with 273,985 original miles on the original engine. Still runs as quiet as new.
Love this series! Are you going to do towing as well?
Damn I wish I could bring my 1998 Mitsubishi Montero to this 90s party
Millennials spent their childhoods in these cars Roman, we know about power antennas. Also Voltron wasn't a transformer, never mind a Decepticon.
In Nathan and Andre’s defense, birthday card envelopes still need to be moistened so I wouldn’t know the legal envelopes use an adhesive with backing (though I use a sponge, and would spit on a napkin before licking wherever that envelope has been.).
Wow, I forgot our over-stuffed the Tahoe seats were back in the days. It's almost comical ")