We Bought Two USED Land Rovers: One Has Been Amazing, But the Other Is TERRIBLE!
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- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! Alex and Tommy both bought two examples of the same SUV: the Land Rover LR3. While one has been great to own, the other one has been...well, pretty much a dumpster fire. Check out which is which in this video!
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Love the Aleix Espargaro hat.
Seriously? It's a 20 year old vehicle. I think it's doing pretty bloody well, actually.
I have a 28 year old xj with 2x the miles without these issues I paid 800. For it. We have put less than 1000. In repairs....just saying.
@@bradlaflamme6127 and its not 1/10 the vehicle the Disco is.
@nickrobertshaw9692 as far as tech no but that disco will not follow my xj offroad.
@@bradlaflamme6127 only if you replace every suspension component, got same tyres on both stock vehicles and the LR will leave it for dead.
@@bradlaflamme6127 both of them in Factory form the Rover will leave the XJ behind while it sits and just spins with open diffs
By contrast, I just bought an '08 with 165K on the clock after watching all of the TFL coverage of the LR3.
$8k for the truck, $13k in repairs and preventative maintenance including (heater coil, A/C condenser, front driver's heated seat, TPMS module).
Expensive? Absolutely. Worth it? 100%.
I fully intend on taking it past 200k, and could not be happier with the purchase.
I’m an LR4 owner and I will tell you that you’ll be in way more trouble if you don’t unclog those sunroof drains. It will make your passenger floorboard, soaking wet and end up killing modules. Unclog it, trust me
I get 19.4 MPG on my 08 V8. Love it so much.
Love the custom license plates
I took mine off-roading with a nasty misfire, lcas slappin, cel, low power limp mode, shitty rear brakes and she didn’t care at all. Still had a blast. I’m likely going to buy another one.
05 lr3 at 295,000 runs great normal maintenance fixes. Best SUV ever.
That’s why you take the car to get inspected before you purchase it. They have all the resources available to them and still didn’t do their due diligence.
08 LR3 owner here, best car I have ever owned. Again, fix everything that needs to be fix and proper maintenance.
Seems more like he is having 20 year old vehicle issues not landrover issues
Do an LR2 video
Those are not major issues. A solid weekend and some parts and all of that is fixed.
Sorry to say this and I love Alex but this is a lot of whining. Most of these issues can be fixed with $100-200 in cheap (some used) parts. It has never left Alex stranded, sounds like no engine or drive train issues, the interior looks great… anyone who buys ANY 10+ year old car MUST be expecting these issues. You can’t buy an old car and expect it to be like new… especially not with 150,000 miles. Most people with 150,000 mile cars are just happy the car still drives and doesn’t get stuck. If anything, he got an AMAZING vehicle with VERY minor issues that can be easily fixed. If it was a Toyota he won’t even pip about it - there would be no video, he would just get it fixed and go on with his life… 🤦♂️ (and, yes, high speced Toyota’s with lots of electronics also break after 10+ years and 150,000 miles)
I’ve had nothing but enjoyment out of my lr3.
Would be boring if all your friends liked what you do! You’re still a good sales man 😜
What the heck happened to Case's Landrover Discovery?
Honestly, all the "problems" Alex listed are just inconveniences, not the problems at all. No blown engines, no toasted gearboxes, nothing which makes the car non-drivable and requires very expensive repair. Terrible mpg aside, I'd be happy to own it.
ahhhhh no auto headlights yup a lot of work to turn them i need nap when i turn mine on.
Those are minor issues. Maybe the air ride but everything else is self Diy. For a 20 yr old car, its doing pretty well.
The beat up jeep sounds like a better deal
My dads 2015 Lexus ES with only 90k miles. Passenger door lock actuator and heated seats switch are broken, also a squeaking sound from rear.
Sounds like servicing issues that could be fixed through servicing the vehicle, probably what the previous owner didn’t fix? I understand the frustration.
I love my 2008 LR3 HSE V8, and my teenager daughters especially love it!
and it's probably the most safe vehicle to protect my daughters in a collision.
My 2005 is all original with 224k miles so far
Besides a potential air suspension issue, these are all minor issues for the age. Great story guys.
Am I the only one who thinks Alex is whining? Most of those issues are relatively easy to address and not too expensive.
So, apart from 20 year old suspension needing replacing (to be expected at that age and mileage) Not a lot went wrong and it's the WORST car he's ever had???
The biggest expense was $18 for a key that didn't need buying rather than address the faulty ignition lock by the looks of it. (Needing to juggle the key to get it out and not charging the key etc) after 150,000 miles. Routine maintenance would more than likely fix the other issues.
My LR 3 V8 SE has 224,000 miles on it. It’s been my daily car for the past 14 years. I go with it everywhere; shopping, travelling, off-roading, rock crawling, wading, etc. It had/has issues. You need to love it and be ready to maintain it. It’s one of the best cars I have owned . I’m looking for a replacement 😊
You replacing with another lower milage LR3, or LR4?
lr4 engine had timming chanin engine problems
@@salonh2715 every old car will have timing chain issues even new cars have timing chain issues , I had a Merc with 32,000 miles on the clock and had a chain stretch , the guy as had his 14 yrs and sounds like its going strong
Here-Here, 2006 lr3 SE 123k , daily driver, no issues, I maintain it properly , 91octane Only! Full syn oil Regularly, come on that's just responsible. Love my LR3
Svc nightmares
My wife and I owned a 2014 certified preowned LR4 LUX we drove that thing from 48,000 miles until 156,000 miles with absolutely no problems. I traded it in in pristine condition for $5000. One of my greatest automotive regrets of all time.
ill stick with my disco ii , ones with ACE and rear SLS are the best rovers if you ask me but $116 would get you a new air strut and new drain tube ends would fix the sunroof leaks . new stock for the wipers . no check engine means ALOT ! eh
Even though it doesn't seem like you don't have expensive issues still one issue after another would get old quickly.
I once bought a GM product the very same way, just issue after issue so it had to go.
I now have an 18 year F-150 that I've had for four years with 200,000 miles & have not done one single thing to it.
Better luck on your next vehicle.
Sounds like really small things tbh
I'm not hearing any issues here... Just normal operational perks of being a Land Rover owner...
Maybe a Toyota Land Crusher is a better choice
These are mostly little annoying issues that a lot vehicles develop over time. The air suspension is expensive, but it has reached the end of it's life, so that is really just a maintenance item. None of these things will leave you stuck on the side of the road.
$116 for a new strut . they're no more than a regular strut and no re programming is necessary . all of those are easy easy fixes .
Land Rover: above and beyond...the expected number of repairs.
Buying a 100k truck for 10k , and thinking its all great is crazy. But to think that this can be had for so little money is also crazy awesome
LR4 Owner here. Maintenance issues all the time. Bought it from CarMax with their warranty. They are definitely upside down on warranty payouts! Wouldn't trade it for the world. I keep tricking it out.
That’s good to know! What do they charge for that warranty?
This is the song and dance of LR ownership… some are like Toyotas and other are well…. Like a Land Rover!
How does the ride compare to the full fat Range Rover?
Typical high mileage used car issues
Where tf did Tommy find an lr3 with 68k miles for 4500$? I bought mine with 180k miles for same price
So I’m hearing that Alex’s LR3 has little adjustment issues. I mean, other than the leaky air strut, EVERYTHING just needs some servicing and adjustment.
Except it’s still a LR
He's literally only spent $18 on it and he says it's the worst ownership experience he's ever had? Lot of whining about small maintenance issues but it's a 20 year old vehicle.
@@upscaleshack they were pretty terrible from new though
@@upscaleshackI agree. Seems like a solid car. Just needs a little work and it seems like he isn’t willing to do the work or pay for it.
@@skiptastic1000I don’t think that is true. Most land rovers have issues but the LR3s are pretty good. it’s pretty common to find them with over 250k miles.
The narrative here is a bit (a lot) forced. A couple minor issues and some catchup maintenance. BIG DEAL.
I think Tommy got a rare good one and Alex got the typical Land Rover (don't roam anymore)
You got it backwards. Even if not. The issues he's complaining about are issues with any 20yrr old car.
How can you verify the title is clean if the old vin isn’t visible? I guess it’s legally clean but the history is unknown.
I think most cars that old have failed heated seats. But the rest of it sounds like junk.
As Alex stated near the end of video, annoying problems. Nothing I heard sounded that bad. Main issue, in my mind, is the purchase price was too high.
$10K for an amazing vehicle you would have to spend 50K+ for new now with minimal issues. I don't think you will ever be happy - this is as good as it gets.
It’s called “getting it sorted” and owners of Brit cars and bikes have been doing it for a century.
after hearing these guys sing the praises of the LR3 I almost bought one. I'm so glad I didn't.
My 2006 LR3 6 cylinder zero issue ever.. 210,000 miles I was going to trade it in and I was only offered $500. I laughed my ass off. Never buy the V8 buy the ford ranger 6 cylinder, great motor. It’s hard for me to believe that you don’t understand how cheap and easy these parts are to find and purchase. Best riding car I’ve ever driven.
The V6 is no where near as reliable as the 4.4 V8. The v6 is an interference engine, so if the timing chains go... so does your engine.
What're you asking for it Alex??
🤣🤣🤣
Smart move, Alex! Get out while you can!!! 😅😅
Alex has an Alex problem….and he didn’t get “unlucky” he failed to do prior research and bought an LR3 with deferred maintenance to complete. Not even a big deal….
And my 2015 f150 has more miles then both. And it is still fantastic. 153, 000 miles
Yawn… 15 years old 150,000 miles and he is bitching about small niggles on a car that that trashed off-road. The air shocks are easy and inexpensive to replace. Fancy electrics are of course annoying. Silly video guys
Tommy: "I bought it for $4,600. I've spend another $4,000 on it and it's a superb vehicle".
Alex: "I paid way too much for it. I've spent $18 on it and it sucks"
Starting to see what the problem is. 🤔
Alex is a guy who needs to sign himself up for a nice new Honda, keep it for a couple of years and then go back and trade it in for another new car.
I mean, what BMW or Nissan does not have problems like these at 20 years old?
These kids don’t even know they’re born if they consider those issues to be “terrible”. Pair of softies. It’s a 20 year old car and a weekend effort would see all it sorted.
So the moral of the story, submerge your lr3 and you won’t have any electrical faults
Tommy got a new job at Beat Buy?
How much?
$8600 for 8k miles is not a good vehicle
Always get a base model I bought a used nissan titan fully loaded just more things to fail
Buying a used Land Rover is like playing Russian roulette with loaded revolver.
It’s 20 years old …… this is normal fix and repair stuff. You need to spend some time & money on these problems. It’s not a new car 😂
Perfect youtube cars...junk , unless u get lucky
I had a high mileage LR3 and had sunroof drain issue(free fix for me just some time to do it), had key ignition issue that was solved with some cheap sensor I got online, fuel door the LR dealer said was a common issue, got me a $12 clip thing and put it in free in 2 mins, that was about it, other than air shocks slowly leaking... but overall it was much more reliable than everyone told me it would be.
4.4 V8 SE
Sounds like you actually fixed things properly. Good on you! The opposite of what's happening in this video: How is it legitimate to complain about the fuel door not working and then try to fix it with tape and magnets?! "Oh it doesn't work" Spent a couple bucks on the proper parts and fix the damn thing properly. This is why cars get shitty over time- people don't fix them properly.
Job well done. Euro cars are the same sometimes. Simple annoying fixes. His issues are super minor but some people don't like to mess with anything, they want everything to work at it should even after 20yrs.
Lucas electronics, the original inventors of darkness.
The guy wanted something reliable to get him through the winter, so he went ahead and bought a 20 year old Land Rover.. This makes 0 sense...
Didn’t Case buy a Disco recently as well? How’s that one doing?
I’ll take Tommy’s
Enjoyed the juxtaposition of the 2 ownership experiences.
Honestly, he should've bought a Lexus GX470.
I’ll buy it
150k v 60k. Duh. Rovers turn to crap at 100k.
My name is Alex and I also have a 2005 LR3 4.4 with 154k miles that I purchased last year. I bought mine with 149k miles. It needed some things, but its an amazing vehicle. I've had plenty of other cars and sport cars and it has by far been my favorite vehicle. His is a great one to buy as all of the issues are pretty small and easy to fix. mine needed:
- Mass Airflow Sensor (can use a toyota branded denso sensor for $25)
-PCV valve
-All struts were leaking and replaced (used Maxpeeding rods brand and they are great so far)
-Valve blocks (tried rebuilding, but the front and rear were leaking from the connector, so I replaced them with amazon units and they are fine)
-Fuel Door is a very quick, easy and cheap fix (had that issue too)
- The 2005-2006 had an issue with the antenna for the keyless remotes coming unsoldered. Just re-soldered it, free easy fix
-Transmission pan, filter, and electrical connector replaced as the pan was leaking
-upgraded the front diff breather (original was clogged (common issue on the early LR3s))
-Changed diff fluids
-Changed Transfer case fluid
-Radiator broke when closing the hood once, so I replaced that and the coolant.
-Wheel bearing
-Starter
-O2 sensor (rear bank 2 went bad)
-Rebuilt the air compressor (dryer pack filters fail and the desiccant gets through the system and causes issues. The exhaust valve in the compressor had clogged some, so I cleaned it and stopped getting errors for that)).
A lot of this happened when I bought it. It was a bit misrepresented and I also didn't catch the leaking transmission. Its pretty well sorted now. I think the replacement wheel bearing is failing, so I'll replace it with a better unit, I just used what the carpart store had available. It needs the lower steering shaft and a passenger side outer tie-rod. I may just go ahead and replace both sides inner and outer tie rods. Seems like a lot, but they are really easy to work on for the most part. The starter wasn't too fun to replace.
The fuel level sensor has failed, so I'll need to drop the tank and replace the sensor as well. It needs some cosmetic work, re-died the passenger seat and the driver's seat needs it. I'd like to buff and ceramic coat the outside.
Around 120k miles, mine got an alternator and water pump.
I guess it seems like a lot and it was since I didn't expect to do so much, but now it is so great. I can't wait to take it off road and hope to explore the Daniel Boone Backcountry Byway as well as the Kentucky Adventure Trail with it.
His air strut may not be leaking. I'd replace the valve block and the dryer pack in the compressor. Also upgrade to the aluminum hat for the dryer pack on the compressor.
nolt problems just niggles problems would be engine non runner etc
.... So yeah, a truck with 150k miles and 20yrs of winters and this is all thats wrong. Sign me up
I drove over 20 LR3’s in 2022 while looking for a second vehicle that could tow my boat. I came to the conclusion that it’s the best Land Rover they have ever made. I also came to the conclusion that anyone that buys anything less than the FordV8, let alone one with more than 100k miles, is an idiot.
Alex is beating the crap out of his and isn't willing to do some of the basic preventative maintenance of a high-mileage vehicle. Outcome is predictable.
Not worth investing time/money into these.
@@skiptastic1000 Sure there is, as is the case for anything where someone else had paid off the massive depreciation. LR3s / LR4s in particular can have a ton of longevity, and there's definitely something about the ride on and off road.
Where’s your proof?
Alex seems immature. I am sure it is for the camera tho.
Bingo. Winner.
TFL isn’t the same without Brendan. Haven’t watched a video since.
This guy is funny, you should do more videos together ;)
This guy should buy a Lexus as he seems he appears to be incapable of carrying out any maintenance or minor repairs on what is after all a 20 year old vehicle! A lot of minor issues, annoying granted but none catastrophic or eye wateringly expensive to fix. Most if not all can easily be resolved with some intelligent faultfinding, use of a GAP tool & repairs. He does not appear to like it anyway, not smart enough so better sell it to someone who does and has some technical skills and is prepared to get his hands dirty when needed.
A lot of whining over easily some easily fixed issuea
Yup. This could be a video about any used 20 year old vehicle, especially one that continues to get beaten to crap.
You guys are creating such GREAT content! Pleasure to watch you!
Thanks so much!
All of Alex's issues are easily fixable and not fatal but clean the sunroof drains! It's a typical used vehicle and it actually seems like a pretty good one. My 134k 2012 Jeep GC had oil leaks, a broken parking brake and a bad torque converter. My 2017 Jaguar F-Pace blew it's turbo twice in 65k miles and now has a new engine. My 74k 2014 BMW i3 has a new drive motor & electronics. Worst car ever is very relative.
I daily a ‘16 LR4 HSE SCV6 for the last four years and have put 50k miles on it without a single issue at all. I do all my own maintenance on it, and so far that has been replacing the brake pads, regular oil changes, and the secondary stop start battery (it was just old). It is the easiest vehicle I’ve ever seen to change the oil in, as it has a built in tube to attach an extractor pump to as well as having the oil filter on top of the motor - takes me under 10 minutes to change oil and I don’t have to get under it!
I just picked up one of these and have been happy with it. I'll do all of my own maintenance as well. How many miles on yours and what is the condition of the timing chain and coolant cross over pipes?
@@Matt-rq6wz It’s at 75k miles total. Since mine is the Jag SCV6, it doesn’t really have the timing and coolant crossover pipe issues that the earlier V8s are infamous for. If you’ve got the V8, I’d recommend the upgraded timing shoe replacements to keep it going.
@@tommydouglas3911 interesting. I have the same year and motor as you. Mine has already had the X pipe replaced by the previous owner. I thought they all came with that stupid two piece design that cracks. I’ve got an oil leak now and will be replacing the brake vacuum pump but it’s not a difficult job.
I’m at 116k miles so I’ll be tackling the transfer case and trans fluids here soon. HD package.
The timing guides don’t have issues on ours but chain stretch beyond the tensioners ability can happen if people choose the 16k oil change interval that LR recommended.
@@Matt-rq6wz Yeah - Every 5k miles like clockwork on the oil changes keeps them happy
@@tommydouglas3911what oil and viscosity do you use? I’m using euro 0w-20 now but may switch to a 5w-30.
Just plain servicing would take care of some of these issues. I do not see anything major
Clean out the sun roof drains with some weed eater string and compressed air.
The latch is a cheap fix, the struts are old AF any car with 20 y.o. shocks will need them replaced, and some issues typical for an old European car. Then again, I did have a 1998 4Runner which only needed a steering rack, alternator and shocks after 25 years so…
Did you get a CarFax report to see if the vehicle had been in an accident? Were there any recalls on it? Is Alex's LR3 a lemon?
Seriously? a lemon? The truck is 20yrs old and has 150k miles. The things hes complaining about are things that go wrong with ANY 20yr old vehicle. WTF? lol
@krover01 so what if it's 20 years old. You do your research before you buy a vehicle REGARDLESS of age and mileage. 😡😡😡😡
@@elizabethhopkins3826on a 20 year old vehicle 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ when you actually buy something this old you just expect there to be issues…
Alex, fix the issues and i will give you $2,500 for the LR3 as long as you deliver it to SoCal :-)
Great video. Lot of fun.
Thank you 🤗
It is the time to have an lr4 and compare it to the lr3.
Oh please! Curious to see the differences between them...
Should’ve bought a GX470
So a 20yr old GX would be flawless and like new?
@@krover01 never said that but some are. My GX turns 20 next year and it’s been a gem compared to the stuff he’s dealt with. Ultimately a lot of it comes down to how previous owners used the vehicle, kept up with maintenance and the environment it’s lived its life in. And on the flip some vehicles are just built better than others.
@jwiggs82 the stuff he's dealt with are things that any 20yr old vehicle would deal with. Including a lexus or Toyota. In fact most 20yr old Toyotas I see listed for $20k have terrible interiors and rust. Nothing he mentioned is an expensive fix. To think that you're going to buy any 20yr old car and expect everything to be perfect is a bit far fetched. My 05 lr3 has 284k miles. Is my daily driver and everything works. Including the original air suspension. I should add that of course it's not perfect, but the things that have failed are wear items that again, all cars will eventually need replacing. Especially after 200+k miles. If this were a 5 or even 10yr old car I'd agree that this is unreasonable.
I had an LR3 and the only issue was a sometimes the transmission felt weird, I added trans fluid and it took care of it, it was the best and most comfortable suv I've had, the only issue or advice I would give someone is: While you don't have to be rich to maintain one you do need a special OBD Gap tool and they are around 500 usd and it's vin coded to your LR3, you can't use someone else's and it's essential to maintenance and have a couple grand for either preventinve or corrective maintenance (but that's kinf of the same for any mid 2000's suv that you buy). Do a lot of research and look for aftermarket quality parts, sometimes some ford fluids or parts are usable. Lastly I had to sell my LR3 to fix my newer Toyota (weird right??) and now I replaced the LR3 with a Sequoia and although I love it, the LR3 is miles away with comfort and general driving experience.
I hate those things!
Aren’t they made in India?