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- People across the LGBTQIA+ spectrum came to the VICE offices in Brooklyn to hash out some of the most pressing issues they face today. This is part 2 of that conversation.
Within the LGBTQ umbrella lies a multitude of identities and ideologies. In an effort to showcase this VICE gathers a diverse group of progressive and conservative members of the LGBTQ community to discuss topics that relate to queerness and its intersection with culture, and politics.
Our goal is to foster conversations that are already happening within communities. With this format, we hope to give the viewer a rare opportunity to witness a conversation with people across the aisle that they otherwise might never find themselves in.
Intro 00:00
Does Pete Buttigieg Being Gay Make You Want to Vote for Him? 00:29
Identity Politics (things get heated) 2:08
Pete Buttigieg as Representation for LGBTQ+ People 3:20
How Do People Feel About the Terms GNC ("Gender Non-conforming") and "Non-binary?" 3:55
Do You Feel Welcomed by the LGBTQ+ Community? 11:08
The Gender Binary 14:29
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Jamey Jesperson be looking like trans John Lennon
How does it transcend gender when it says " I feel like a woman". Anybody can feel like a woman?
How about Aretha's "Natural Woman"?
According to the Democrats who HATE patriarchal white, males…they all hate Joe Biden!!! 😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂
Your moderator sucks in this vid
The moderator was way too bias and ignored anybody with a different opinion
Thats new vice. Becoming buzzfeed
couldn’t agree more
I know. Stick to asking to the questions and filming.
preach
right, everyone got to speak their mind, but as soon as blaire started sharing her opinions to jamie, the moderator shut her down to see how jamie was doing.
i didn’t see her doing that for anyone else though...
I absolutely CANNOT STAND the moderator. She's so biased and unprofessional.
cry bot FORREAL! She is just waiting to catch the republicans slipping
Did you just assume it's gender?!
@@technolung them* 🤣
I love how Blaire said “Non-binary people are overshadowing trans voices” and then the non binary person went to overshadow the trans voice.
I disagree, as during the conversation (for the most part) they allowed each other to speak respectfully, and neither side was treated as more important.
@@nox2sweetdid we watch the same video?
@@poopy5001 idk, i wasnt in the same room as you, but i know i watched this one. Did you?
@@nox2sweetnot true. The they them omnisexual unicorns got to speak a lot and the moderator didn’t interrupt them. Blaire couldn’t even finish many of her sentences without the moderator trying to cut her off. I don’t think we watched the same video at all cause it was very apparent ESPECIALLY in part 1 you could see how Blaire demeanor changed she constantly having that annoying moderator cut her off
@@tatianadelrey6529 I'll watch part 1, but here in part 2, personally I saw and heard Blaire getting fair amounts of talking without interruption. Only once did Blair actually have to stop talking, but outside of that, everything was going well. While we watched the same video, we got two different things out if it, and I think that's from bias as you called them "omnisexual unicorns" which is a hilarious but kind of reveals bias statement
Blaire is right and if you’re on the brink of tears during a DEBATE then you are too fragile to be there. Develop a backbone and substantiate your claims
you are spitting facts right there
Blaire gave the non binary a truth bomb and shattered his world and he couldnt handle it !!! I wish braire would of cornered him lol
@@emanuelspada6897non binary defense! Trigger tears😭😭😭 if your strong enough to say ur a non binary trans paperclip then have a backbone to hear other ppl thoughts. I hate this soft america. Does no justice for human beings
Seriously like it should be an indicator of the fragile narcissism that most of these peeps have. They just want to be catered to in every way because it’s an easy out.
Yep
9:33 you cut her off to ask about someone else's emotions. Do you realize you are living in a delusional world if you think that's okay
@@austinsmith1521 it's a debate, facts don't care about your feelings. He shouldn't have come if he was going to get triggered. Don't interrupt a transgender person to check on a NoNbInArY persons feeling on a trans subject.
I think the reason why they were the only ones checked up on was because they were the only ones that seemed upset I guess? In any case, if she wasn’t ready to have that discussion and have her beliefs challenged, she shouldn’t have come.
@@austinsmith1521that person (idk what to call them. Even saying them might be offensive😒) shouldn't be crying about it! They're part of the issue! You CANNOT be trans and non binary!! IT MAKES NO SENSE.
The moderator was actual garbage and stopped people from talking when they had actual facts. Also why would you come to this show if you’re not ready to be disagreed with.
Yea i dont get it it turned into an emotional contest about whos oppressed more meanwhile the ones speaking actual logic and the old school gay dude who KNOWS what its really like to get shit aaahh, my brain meat fuck so frustrating to watch lol
HE WAS TRASHHHH or whatever it identifies as: man/woman/sidewalk/trash can/dildo???
I feel Blaire’s blank stare on a spiritual level. Sometimes, you just settle and be at peace with the fact that you just have to let stupid people be stupid.
This right here!
Yup
This!
Exactly 👏🏾
Yup
I’m a straight woman and even I can see that the many different gender identities have practically erased the legit transsexual.
Transsexual is an outdated term that no one other than Blaire uses
@@JalenLeeeIt doesn’t matter. It’s the same difference.
@@JalenLeeeThat is not true at all
As someone who was assigned male at birth but now identifies as a non binary lesbian I find this offensive.
@@tshegofatsoletlape8721wtf😂😂
"i'M gOnNa StOp YoU"
Truscum!
Carlo Reyes Ah, wonderful, a sjw I see. Just because we don’t have the same opinion as you, doesn’t mean you need to be an ass
@@jacksonns333 But I'm just doing what you people love the most... stating facts!
@@ca9drop well yeah no shit we like facts, next time I'll follow you liberals by being offended by every little thing
@@ca9drop here is a fact. You need to have gender dysphoria to be trans. Period.
“ i don’t identify as girl or boy , but i Am
a trans female” TELL ME. TELL ME WHERE and HOW does that make sense ?
THANK YOU 🙏🏾
I think, and I honestly might be wrong because I am definitely lacking in trans knowledge and education, but it's that the terms "boy" and "girl", as well as "man" and "woman" are all gender expressions. That they identify as a boy, or a girl, etc. but female and male is the sex, ie. what organ is between their legs. so that person most likely is referring to them having a sex change, but not identifying with the terms that are gendered like "boy" or "girl". AGAIN might be wrong!! That's just what I understood
I don’t get it either to me there is two genders only male and female they have to many genders out it’s like hearing about different flavors of pop or candy when I hear pansexual I ask myself the question do they like cooking pans😂😂😂
Dallas Sisk i agree but i want i
To. Save u cuz alot of ppl will criticize you foe saying only two genders so to stop that just say i believe there are only two sex as in the male and female chromosomes but lots of genders
Like Blaire says Make. It. Make. Sense!
how did jamie show up to a debate and then cry when someone disagreed with them 😭 do they not know how a debate works??
Blair didn’t just disagree with they invalidated their identity which is disgusting
@@sandycheeks395 the topic of debate is their identity tho
@@sandycheeks395ok snowflake, Blair ate
@@sandycheeks395Jaime doesn’t even kno what he is. He says he’s non binary and trans? Non binary means you don’t identify as either gender you’re just human. You feel like you don’t fit female or male. Transgender means you were born one gender and feel like you’re another. Like you’re born male and feel female or vise versa. You can’t be non binary and trans at the same time.
@@sandycheeks395She can't invalidate something that doesn't exist. Get a reality check.
Hats off to the older gentleman. I have so much respect for how he represented himself. He lived through some of the worst times for those in the gay community. Much respect for him❤
Ok but the Anti-LGBT-Side is kinda known to be 'disrespected by all Science-Youtubrs# but yeah, you do you. I'm sure never factchecking the Groomer-NARRATIVE is real smart.
The black gay guy in at the far right (literally) always had a confused face.
Haha. So true
He's a mood.
I think he is deeply confused.
Maxence Drapeau lmao yea
Melissa Leeds mhm
what's the point of having a debate if the moderator is just gonna cut off the people with opposing viewpoints?
THIS^^^
there is no point, its a spectrum.
Warrick Low the spectrum is a spectrum
5,ooo LightYears Away it’s a conversation and she’s not just going to let her belittle her and cry
Uroš Štulić PERIOD !
"You don't know my life" this has to be one of the most inane political conversations I've ever heard.... I weep for the future.
" you don't know my life" and then start criticizing you like they know your life.
@@marsol1solo294literally Jamie got mad and threw a fit being mad at blaire because “you don’t know my life” but at the same time judging blaire as if she knew her personally
@@igorinmotion lol what? friends tell each other "you don't know my life?"
+@@igorinmotion I've read it several times bro it just doesn't make sense. Could you be so kind as to inform us about the context that we all seem to be lacking there?
I love Blaire😂 “you said that I’m erasing you as trans, well I am.”
Blaire did not hold back in this debate, I love it.
blaire basically saying "im not one of ur feelings-pleasers, f- them, grow up" 😂
Too bad, the moderator interrupted her from answering the question how this was different from women telling Blaire, she is not a woman. I would have loved to see Blaire shrugging her shoulders "I'm not a woman. So no difference. They are just as correct, as I am here."
It’s at 9:10
If anyone mentioned the word non-binary in the early 2000's people would think your talking about computer software.
Ishizuka Hikaru hahahahah thats fucking funny 🤣🤣🤣 I love that
I still do!
Yo I Fr don’t even know half of there identities or whatever what ever happen to gay and straight 😂
MJ 52 they still exist non-binary has nothing to do with sexuality it has to do with gender identity
A reallly cool quantum computer
having an unbiased moderator would've been nice
Erin L I didn’t see her as biased. I could see that she had a viewpoint (who doesn’t) but I didn’t see it leak in much at all. What did you see as biased?
SORRY, haven't had one of those for over 11 years!
chelle m What did you see as biased? Not trolling, just trying to learn from this video and continue opening my eyes.
@@nicksurfs1 The moderator seemed definitely biased. They allowed everyone to speak freely without cutting them off unless it was someone with more of a conservative viewpoint. The moderator treated blaire (the conservative trans woman) harshly and allowed people to speak over her. Blaire's voice wasn't being heard and she wasn't able to give her view without everyone putting words in her mouth.
@@anotherfan3448 i think she was trying to avoid people getting hurt and arguing. But Im a medical student. I think Blaire had very great points. And I was upset they kept cutting her off. But also I understand why
it's so hard to debate when people can just make things up and it has to be accepted
exactly
It’s a form of gaslighting and no one can tell me differently.
debating with religious people
@@itsme6. except religious people base their beliefs on moral values and historical and divine scripture and not their own feelings that could change every week. And at least in the US, no one is forcing you to abide by or even support religious beliefs. But when you don't want to refer to people with random pronouns or call a man a woman, then you are considered a hateful bigot.
christians in the US hate people that dont believe in their own god. divine scripture is written by humans, so the holy books are basically people writing down their own feelings and thoughts etc. not smart
@@steph3819
I find it hilarious Jaime is invalidating Blaire by assuming she wasn’t POC or poor when he literally is a white man.
Exactly and Blaire grew up poor and she is a POC.
Just like blair invalidated Jamie by telling them that they are not trans
@@user-vs2gt6dd6sdid Blair really invalidate them though? She said they’re not trans but she never said that they weren’t non binary, she even encouraged and affirmed that they were non binary
@@user-vs2gt6dd6snon binary is gender fluid not trans
I really wish people would stop making “privilege” sound like “you never went through anything” because those are two different things.
Everyone has different privileges.pointing out someone’s privileges just shows that you’re a spiteful jealous person who goes through life hating others with more than you (hate the rich mentality) very toxic way to go through life
Privilege is the dumbest thing ever. The assumption that someone is more “privileged” than others based upon their skin colour etc is just idiotic. It completely disregards somebody’s life experience and trivialises it based upon something as superficial as skin colour or sexuality. Apparently through this system a person of colour would be less privileged than a white male, even if said white male has been homeless for 3 years. Privilege encourages a victim identity, where people try and gather as many labels as possible in order to make themself feel superior.
Aj but i think its good to recognize that some people have privilege specially in america. when we say white people have privilege we don’t necessarily mean you specifically, but the group as a whole.
spacious nova Why generalise people like this though? What is the point?
Everyone has their own problems. This really just fuels division and a victim identity, especially in developed countries where we generally enjoy high standards of living. Those who are in developing countries have lives which are greatly more difficult. We should be channeling our energy to solve these issues, instead of pondering first world problems.
@@motesito6175 "white people" are not a monolith and can't be generalized as a whole as being privileged. Poor eastern European people from Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia etc who fled communism and came to live in USA in 1990s, can't be thrown into the same group as white people who have lived in USA for hundreds of years and who's ancestors owned slaves. I thought generalizing one race was racist and bad, but here you are generalizing white people.
Very unprofessional moderator.
I dont even want to watch it now:/
I haven't finished watching, but how is she unprofessional?
coddles a sensitive white man and then cuts off a trans woman mid sentence who’s speaking 100% facts
@@ashleyx9638 fair enough
You can tell who debates off emotion and who debates off logic and facts
When she said " i cant believe you got 12 gay people here and nobody feels at home in the gay community" i felt that! Like fok we need to do better. 😢
Yup, and that's because each of the 12 gay people are trying to see "who has it the worst" and also giving out the "you don't know my life" reply once too many.
But that is the point isn't it? Why don't these 12 people agree that ALL of them have experienced some of the worst things in their LGBTQ journey.
And that in itself is a shared common ground, isn't it?
I can’t believe we’re living in a world where people are fighting to be the most oppressed person in the room.
Right it's so fucking annoying its like just live your life.
no, just the "non binary" people.
I don't think anyone said that or implied it. Some people have advantages over others. It's not that hard to understand.
Word
if that’s what you got from this video, you are wayyyyy too stupid to engage in politics 😂😂
To me, Blair's arguments made sense but it was like no one was really listening and were just picking some things she said and disregarding the others🤨
It's because they can't take straight facts.
@@todders5256 they really dont like anything thats straight tbh 🤷♀️
NoTimeToExplain that’s true
I think that’s how arguments work. You pick what you disagree with and ask them to elaborate lol you aren’t just going to recite everything they said back to them
She was very straight forward and I could feel the tension rising as she expressed her views. As soon as others felt personally attacked, they stopped listening to any word she spoke.
LMAOOO Blaire not sticking round to hug at the end 💅🏻
Thank You Blaire!!!! Trans and Non Binary are 2 Different experiences. Please pick one and stop confusing the world with your new 300 genders thank you. I’m Trans and I Totally Agree With Blaire. Then how the other 2 kept coming hard at her opinions like baby you are non binary y’all don’t even know what you are 🤷🏻♀️
Transgender means a different gender than you were assigned at birth. Non binary is trans by definition.
People constantly fighting over who has it worse is a sign that something is really wrong in our culture.
Lol tru
Victim ideology
@The TacomaKid exactly, that's why pedophilia is on the rise
Well i don't consider modern culture as my culture. I want to learn the old way of thinking, with its defects of course (some parts are idealized) but also with its advantages...
Well of course it's not too easy to want half naked girls to at least cover their titties without being insulted by feminists lol
This. This so much. Having it bad is not a source of pride. It's supposed to show something is wrong.
Quite frankly, I'd say just let the people who have had it bad over the years be on equal footing with those who did not and call it a day. Don't give either side preferential treatment-that's how I live my life. Discrimination is discrimination, which is why I oppose affirmative action.
9:33 "are you okay? do you feel like talking?"
Dude, I’m speechless. This scene was so awkward and cringy. Demise of western culture in a nutshell 🤦🏻♂️
Enjoy the decline brother
Helmut Kohl He should feel like talking if he signed up for a fucking debate
This was the most confusing and weirdest panel ever. Men that sound like women, women who sound like men, what ever binary is like omg are they confused about who they are voting for or who to have sex with or maybe what sex or species they are?
J-Jamie…are you ok??? How are ya feeling Jamie???😂😂😂😂
Grown toddlers.
Also it's funny that cutting off Blaire, halting the entire conversation, calling out a persons emotions and putting them on the spot, are all incredibly insensitive things to do but this upside-down ass ideology seems to be attempting to coddle every minor emotion. And they don't realize that it's doing much more harm than good overall.
Shout out Blair for not taking the easy route and just agreeing with whatever is trendy in the LGBTQ community. I got a ton of respect for her constantly sticking her neck out and saying what she feels is right regardless of the political wind. I agree that we do need definitions for things so all people can truly understand the concepts of the changing sphere of gender. There will never be acceptance if there isn’t a general understanding. It’s like trying to fix your car but not understanding how a car works. You can’t find the issue if you have no clue what you’re looking for (not implying anyone in the lgbtq community has an issue btw. Just an example)
Why is Jamie being coddled? They’re an adult, they’re not a child and they should be able to have a conversation about sensitive topics. The real world doesn’t have safe spaces, deal with it. 🤷🏼♀️
Lynsielouwho if she couldn’t handle the pressure why be there
They are an SJW snowflake
I agree that the moderator's tone with Jamie was infantilizing. If anything it took legitimacy from their point because I actually think they handled themselves super well.
You're coddling him by calling him multiple people
@@jenna8987 "They" is grammatically correct. You're the one who is wrong, despite how much you cling to the fact that you're intelligent.
Blaire's point is to "Transition" means moving from one gender to the other gender. Non-binary means you come out as nothing specific at all. They are not the same thing. Most of the panel missed that point.
I got it. But, I don't like so many labels.
But jaime also said her body has nothing to do with her gender so what kind of gender dysphoria does she actually have. Do you think she might have body dysmorphia instead? Thats what i want to know and explore more in the trans community
@@alexbautista5610 Yeah, because dysphoria and dysmorphia are totally different things. I think they are often weirdly conflated (maybe because they sound similar?).
@@alexbautista5610 You're saying "she" and "her" she clearly said "them" and "they" ! how dare you!!!!??? jk :P
oh dear.. I also missgendered them D=
Why did you silence Blaire? It’s that guy’s problem that he can’t handle facts.
You look at Blaire (trans woman), and the "non binary" person in yellow (calling himself a trans), and there is NO comparison: Blaire put the work in, and the other did not.
Fair
Non- binary people still have gender dysphoria, I don’t understand why they’re hated so much 🥺
“JaMiE aRe YoU oKaY” literally rolled my eyes to the back of my head
You and me both sis
me too omggg🙄🙄🙄🙄
More like "Jamie, are you triggered?"
omg that made me sick
I know, right! Whatever Jamie is, one thing for sure, Jamie is not young enough to be a fuckin child.
It was so obvious how the moderator tried to avoid asking Blaire anything and shut her off when she spoke
nah Blaire just really wasn't talking much.......
Blaire went full fucking retard, that's why
MrEvldreamr She is speaking the truth tho
@@susyrodriguez3550 no she rly wasnt. She basically just used the exact same attack that heteros use against all members of LGBT.
"Your feelings dont matter"
"Get over it"
"Oppression points"
"Attention-grabbing political terminology"
Etc
Horray for Blaire White!
Honestly that trans woman - dark hair smoke show - had an insight that was very eye opening. I can’t even begin to imagine how it must feel to live as a man but have a deep feeling of wanting to be a woman. It sounds so far out from reality in my opinion and must drive people insane for those that go through this. Very eye opening and for a lack of understanding and better use of words, I’m glad that I’m a straight male and don’t have these problems but I’m starting to sympathize.
I’m a trans girl who would call herself as a young blaire white , we are out there, we are unfortunately a rather rare species
@@ELA._.BORATED well I respect you 100% and I’m glad ppl like you with common sense do understand what you’re talking about ❤️
@@yoonbum4877 I love yoon
@@ELA._.BORATED Yoon loves you back 😘
@@yoonbum4877 🥰😋
Blaire was right! If you don’t transition how can you be a transsexual , it is literally half of the word to make it easier for them to remember! Lol
I’m sorry but I look at Jamie and feel so pissed off. A person like that goes through life thinking the world owes them everything.
stev6963 exactly!!!!!
Got that right
Ikr!
Right!!
Nailed it. Round of fucking applause for you. Right on the money.
No one:
The moderator: Jamie do you need me to breastfeed you now?
Alejandro I’m rollingggg 💀💀💀💀
LMFAOO
🤣 🤣
Lmaooooo
oh my GOD 💀💀
Blair's words perfectly match my thoughts, it's so relieving to have her speak up!
Honestly as a gay man I’ve experienced more hostility, exclusion and judgement from the lgbt community than from straight and cis gendered people. It’s really just so sad that we are treating people in our own community like this
If you start crying because somebody doesn't identify you the same way you do, then you cannot be comfortable in the way you identify yourself. Just my opinion
Tell some straight men that they are gay. 99% of them will get mad and shit... does that mean almost every straight guy is insecure about their sexuality? please... it's normal to get upset when people deny your identity... maybe not to the point of crying, i agree with you on that, but that's about how sensitive you are, nothing to do with how strong you identify as spmething...
@@ajasdeathdrop1556 something* and btw to end your whole argument in 4 words... being gay isn't gender, he is talking about a trans person for example a man who identifies as a woman calls that person a man which makes them upset. Being straight or gay isn't the same as miss - gendering someone mate so your argument is flawed from the beginning.
@@ajasdeathdrop1556 Also where is your statistics for "99 % of some straight men get mad and shit when they are called gay"
In general people shouldn't be crying about something that has been practiced for years and can't hold their inner wokeness together and instead flame it out on to unsuspecting victims just having a nice day and doing the same thing we have been doing for fucking centuries.
Veagas Gaming their argument isn’t flawed, they used an analogy, gender doesn’t equal sexuality, but it is in the same spectrum to compare
Soon as Jamie started crying, i would’ve got up and left. You shouldn’t be apart of a debate panel if you’re sensitive and take things personal. You also shouldn’t be a moderator if you’re going to be bias and just as sensitive. A debate is meant to express your opinion, listen, and rebuttal. This video had some good parts but was also a train wreck at the same time.
Everyone is so sensitive college its worse, nobody is encouraged to understand that not everyone will agree with you lol
Blaire has been on these debates....you can tell she was above league here.
@@mercymusinguzi3375 you can tell she was pulling damsel in distress
When did they start crying
I don't think Jamie went into a debate expecting to be invalidated. (when Blaire said she wasn't trans). And I'm saying this a fan of Blaire who has no clue who Jamie is. I think that was pretty rough.
If you cant have your stance challenged without getting angry or crying, you shouldnt be in a debate
The amount of time they try to cut off Blaire lmao 💀💀🤣🤣
I cannot believe that people don’t understand what Blaire was trying to say. She was not trying to say that being non binary is not a thing and is not a part of the LGBTQ+ community but they’re not a part of the TRANS community. That’s not meant to be offensive it’s just a fact. Trans people identify as the opposite gender that they were assigned at birth. Non binary people identify as no specific gender. So saying you’re non binary and transgender at the same time seems contradictory to me and to Blaire as well. Some people are really starting to sound like Trisha Paytas claiming to be several letters of the community when they contradict themselves. You are part of the community and you face a lot of the same struggles HOWEVER you are also different and you should embrace that! Fight for your rights specifically as a non binary person.
Kayla Poncho that’s the whole issue in general. If you try to explain, you’re gonna get cut off, waste your time or be labeled as a “hater” or “phobic” of some sort. And Blair is just an example of someone WITHIN the community who’s speaking sense.
Oh no, Blaire totally thinks non binary isn't a thing, and I agree with her 100%. I guess you don't follow her TH-cam channel lol?
imo anything that came from "gender studies" is completely biased, both politically and ideologically and they are radicals, they truly are, like they use concepts as privilege and systemic discrimination as if they have some insigh about becoming woke or whatever all the while having accepted fake papers with whole chapters of Mein Kampf substituting the word jew/s with "white cisgender heterosexual men". It´s not just they don´t belong in the academic world is that they shouldn´t have social influence at all and the LGBT community should get away of that hate narrative that is hidding behind. Their ideological narrative isn´t going to create a more cohesive society is going to create the opposite, there are other ways of creating a society in which people would feel free to be whatever without having to asign guilt for having being born white or cisgender or heterosexual or male or a homosexual woman but white, etc... the words of MLK that were used at the begining go against every single ideological pilar in "gender studies". We need to stop stopping conversations to ask how people feel and start focusing in questioning our fundamental beliefs and accepting compromises. Anyone that believes that talking about the issues that we care about should be approached with a "with me or against me" mentality kind of thing is only a radical that believes that wither they are in posesion of some sort of sacred absolute truth or that their feelings mather more than other people´s freedom of expresion becase "privilege" or whatever other excuse for their egocentrism.
🙌🙌
Well said!!
“I’m neither I’m both I’m beyond”
THAT MAKES NO LOGICAL SENSE
*blaire white voice* “mAkE iT mAkE sEnSe”
The person that said that their beyond thinks that their all that. But their rly not it’s sad 😞
Brittany D great argument lmao. “Ur wrong and dumb!”
Brittany D saying “facts and science” doesn’t mean you made an argument, you actually have to bring an argument to then substantiate with facts and science. Love how aggressively defensive you get from me calling out your lack of an argument. Sounds like insecurity and overcompensation! Fun.
Brittany D youve provided absolutely nothing of substance to engage with, how would you even know a) if you know anything that would be educational for me or b) that I wouldn’t be able to engage with it? How am I ignorant? You’re REALLy showing yourself out to be illogically defensive and arrogant. You have to show intelligence to be able to be arrogant about it lmao. Still waiting for an argument. CAlling yourself a ‘troll’ doesn’t justify it loool
Brittany D it’s interesting because you talk as if you’ve presented an intelligent argument, so I’m wondering what is justifying your arrogance if not that?
a) it’s a very convenient statement to say “I don’t have to present an argument cos ur dumb”
b) how did I question the obvious? Your lack of specificity is... wild.
Trans is.. growing? That literally makes no sense. You’ve mentioned nothing of transness so that’s clearly irrelevant.. ima see how you respond to this. Cause if you’re trolling and intentionally being stupid to try and make me mad, thats fine, it’s validating for me cause talking to a moron is fun, if not a troll, even more validating. Win win
You know when they’re losing the argument when they say “you don’t know my life you don’t know me” 😭
Sometime when people are talking to me I just cut them off and ask if Jamie is doing okay 😂🥴
the lesbian girl up on the top left barely even got to talk
That's how we Asians roll
poor Lucy, she and Blaire were my favorite
that’s how these debates work.
you have to insert yourself.
castaway system hi I’m Lucy and I’m a lesbian
she’s probably an introvert, i would act the same
Lol the transgender republican wasn't minority enough for the person in yellow
Yeah identity politics suck
lol bitch should return his aunt's vintage american apparel clothes and cry in the shower
Gigi Hadid his aunt is wondering where her yellow turtleneck is. Lol
Holly G why didn't Blair hit them with "you're white too" because I don't think that person realized that lmao
That is m'lady Blaire White
Jamie should NOT be part of a debate if they can't take people debating or disagreeing with them
Imagine saying ur trans and then claiming ur non binary like what are u transitioning into? Nothin
White lady in the blue blazer and blue jeans. Can we just appreciate the supportive soccer mom vibe from her. All she seems to want is everyone to be happy and be excepted. That supportive soccer mom vibe is the best.
Accepted*😂
we love to see it
Reality Speaks facts
I wish she was my mom
Reality Speaks No it's bad in these situations
How can someone simultaneously reject both genders or be beyond both genders and be transitioning from one to the other?
I think for non binary people it’s a case of, for some, wanting medical intervention to help them aline they’re gender identity, however that may be, as opposed to transitioning from one to the other as non binary people can still experience dysphoria.
Wallflower Xx, exactly! That proved Blaire's point.
the definition of trans is not transitioning from one to another, and even if it were, aren’t they kind transitioning from a static perspective (man or woman) to and fluid mosaic (nb, gender queer etc)??
Daryl Dixon yes but that’s gender expression gender is not limited and does not limit you the social standards limit people but that’s gender expression transgender is switching the way they express their gender completely
Emma Kelly Thant’s not fair. That goes to the Transwomans point about gender non conforming and Non Binary (which seems rather redundant by the way) folks, high jacking the Transexual movement. They are NOT truly Trans, in fact they are the antithesis of Trans, they are using their adjacency to Trans-ness as political leverage at the detriment of Trans people. I don’t get why they don’t stand on there on platform.
Trans female in black is fully right I stand behind her the only thing she is speaking is facts
Blaire White ❤
Blaire won this debate. She always speaks facts.
The guys in the back are so over it lol. The bi guy is almost falling asleep
Gigi Hadid huh, didn't notice that😂 yep that'd be me, just so tired of everyone's shit that I fall asleep
Can you blame them though?
The lesbian girl too at the back towards the extreme left. She was pretty chill smirking.
Bi guy is hawt.
@@Rubarb84 I know right. 😍😍😍
“You don’t know my life” came up so much
“I know you’re gay but let me assume everything about you.”
“You don’t know my life.”
“ l o l a WhItE CiS gAY mAn”
Not enough minority points to argue I guess. It’s shitty on both sides because they clearly all deserve support and fair treatment, but then they just start roasting each other.
I think that alone is precisely the problem with the LGBT community. EVERYTHING is so incredibly nuanced that everyone wants to make a special box that fits exactly to their specifications, but at what point are we going to stop adding letters to the LGBT acronym? And why does everyone feel the need to identify themselves under some very specific label? I doubt that being a non-binary trans femme whatever the hell comes up in conversation daily and the average person is going to address you by the way you present outwardly, bottom line.
But they're all there because they have similar life experiences sooooo I don't get it
*too* much
Holy shit it's actually someone with the same profile pic as me!!!
Braire you are correct in everything you said. The Black man sitting next to you is rude and extremely aggressive. I am a gay black man, I wouldn't want to be sitting next to him. He needs attitude education 😂.
The so-called nonbinary guy with a yellow shirt. He brings confusions into the LGT community.
That's why we shouldn't promote our lifestyles and medical transitioning, into children schools at a such early age.
Since we don't even got it all together ourselves yet. For what I can see on this debate.
While Jamie was asking Blair a question, they mentioned "people telling other people that they can be either feminine or masculine", which says everything about their world view. They are completely confused. A woman can sometimes be feminine and sometimes be masculine. Today I could feel like styling my hair, putting my makeup on and wearing a dress with high heels to work, but tomorrow I could just make a ponytail, put on my most masculine checked shirt and Timberlands and wear no makeup. A woman can equally enjoy taking dancing AND carpenting classes. At the same time there are many women who are extremely feminine and it doesn't make them more of women than those who are used to more masculine kind of behaviour. So when Jamie was talking that reminded me of a situation when an inexperienced teacher, early in their career, has to explain something they are confused about themselves to their students. When you yourself don't fully understand what you are talking about, people around you will not understand you. And there's no wonder some transgender people don't want to be associated with non-binary people when one of the latter says that they are neither a man, nor a woman and at the same time they're both and even "beyond". What does that suppose to mean? The inability to define what you are distorts your whole perspective of the world around you.
Overall, most people were quite respectful towards each other. That's awesome
That lady in the blue blazer with the blonde hair seemed really sweet
Nitin B There are reasonable liberal people that can act like her as well
Everyone can be reasonable! (:
She’s the most sane person there.
She reminds me of Sadie from seven universe lol
love how they're shutting blaire up when she's the one who's fully transitioned but apparently, the voice of someone who's "non binary trans" is more valid/important than someone who's actually trans. Like isn't it common for these people to argue that "you're not xx so you can't talk to me about being xx!!!"
말로우마쉬 EXACTLY
말로우마쉬 “fully trans”...please shut up, you sound dumb
@@SR-qj2fg someone who isn't "non-binary trans" and has undergone surgery? you shut up.
why'd you edit your comment? lol
@@taeminislove what about the other trans woman?
@@kevinlara1295 The other trans woman wasn't hushed or shut down by the moderator to give way to someone else. This is the problem with the community though, people who don't subscribe to the generally accepted opinion are often asked to shut up unless they say the same thing as everyone else. How are we supposed to start a discussion when everyone just wants everyone to say the same things over and over again?
Non binary contradicts being trans tho by its definition I’m so confused
That’s what I said!!!
The fact that they’re fighting for strangers acceptance is tucking hilarious Jamie lives the spotlight and loves being a victim boy bye
yall are so offensive and disrespectful.
@@chris-jp3leokay lol. Don’t care
@@leigha.3098 whose talking to you freak?
@@leigha.3098 yea okay until someone does it to you. learn to be a good person your parents should be ashamed of you.
Blaire biting her tongue for 40 minutes straight
I love her sm
She unloaded on Jamie😂
Blaire making a fool of herself over nb peeps when there is actual scientific evidence towards male, female, and nb brains for too long lol
@@exosus. wheres that evidence, if i may ask?
@@exosus. There's scientific evidence that supports genderlessness? I'd be interested to see that study.
The black guy in the suit is just confused the whole time hahahahha
kden dudes like “i should of stay home”
He's confused and Blaire's done with everything.
He’s probably straight and just accidentally walked in
Everyone’s introducing themselves w their pronouns and political beliefs and shit and he goes “yeah I’m a guy”
kden Lmaooo
Genuine question : how can you be transgender and non-binary? 🤔
You can't. You identify with either end of the spectrum. Some people are too greedy ig
When you can tell which side the moderator is on and who they agree and disagree with, they aren’t a good moderator
Stopping Blaire to check in with someone as if they are a victim just because they disagree is absolutely ridiculous. I fully support Blaire's stance.
The moderator definitely had a bias against Blaire, it’s pretty clear.
Literally
The point was to make sure everyone felt heard and safe, in that moment Jaime did not feel either. Blaires point and stance is valid, as is Jamie’s, but Jaime needed a moment of compassion. People with higher intelligence can have empathy with all kinds of identities and stances.
I think her stance is quite ridiculous. Saying an entire identity, whether you believe it to be true or not is political propaganda is delusional. Same can be said about herself, that transgenderism is a product of the left. Obviously that’s not true if you do a split second of research, but that’s exactly how Blaire sounded
@@tatertot6212That underhanded jab at the end. 😂
Remember that when your empathy for people you disagree with goes out the window in an emotion filled rage.
I feel so bad for Blaire. She looks just done with literally everything. Honestly i would be too
Especially at the end how she just immediately got up and left
Poor Blair. She seems to be the voice of reason but the others don't want to hear it.
El Cruzer55 agreed
Honestly, blair is the only one worth listening to
AllYouNeedIsLove 321 agreed
Appreciate all these people coming together to have the discussion and this helps educate people, me included. So thank you
Its called transitioning for a reason. I don’t think blaire was against non-binary people at all, but they felt as if it was a personal attack. I’m just confused why they thought they’re included in the trans label when they’re not transitioning to one solid identity? Like if you’re comfy in the middle… you’re non-binary. What was that entire argument even for? They want a label for non-binary people and they got it. They don’t want trans people to have their own category? So much for preaching inclusivity.
Jamie: I am neither. I am both. I am beyond.
*Rises up to the air, above time, space and reality then evolves into the next dimension*
Moderator: Jamie, how are you doing?
@magnetothewhite hahaha OMG
I'm surprised they didn't say they identified as Jesus.
i cried xDDD
From what I gathered, Jamie is just a cross dressing man. Blaire is an actual trans person. I dont get the non binary stuff.
@@jaychen8809 same. It doesn't make sense to me. Why can't men and women wear whatever they want without having to change their sexual identity? I don't get it. I get being trans if you have dysphoria but... Why non binary? It's not real to me. You're male or female even if you're trans you're one or the other. 🤷🏻♀️
Blonde woman in the blue blazer HIT ALL THE POINTS DAMN SIS.
Right!
Thank you, supposedtobedoinghomework, very cool!
She is really thoughtful and has the most common sense.
If she was progressive I'd love her
Agreed. I think Donny was awesome too. He’s seems insightful, graceful and very aware of what’s going on in the world for ALL people.
As a non-binary myself, I actually prefer Blair's point of view to Jamie's. Transgender means to transition completely from one gender to another that does not align with your sex at birth. Yes, non-binary people may suffer gender dysphoria, even I did, but I personally feel like being transgender is way more complicated than being a non-binary and gnc ever will be. And thanks to the non-binary community we've ended up with the nonsense of neo-pronouns, which personally, in my opinion, is giving us an even worst image than we had as non-binary before. Blair is right in her views and I support her for that, because the spectrum is making it even more complicated than it should be. Non-binary and GNC should exist, but they should not exist under the transgender label unless someone from this category has actually transitioned. I don't consider myself under the trans label and I personally feel like I don't deserve to either because it's a completely different category based on what transgender is.
I'm a non-binary person myself and i totally agree
what an awful moderator
The mediator didn’t ask Blaire or the guy with the black t shirt in the middle about their opinions on subjects at alllllllll
Vice probably just didn't like that their opinions seemed too 'radical.'
It would have been great to have a non-biased "host"
The guy in the black shirt in the middle is Brandon Straka.
Dude the guy in the black shirt was obnoxiously offended the entire time I wouldn’t let him talk either. Maybe if he controlled himself and talked in a way the garnered respect he would receive respect ✊. He is the reason people laugh at the right. Epitome of outrage culture.
VooodooOctopus You keep saying that word. I know think you know what it means.
I love the black guy to the right sitting there like “what the hell did I get myself into” lmao
He’s confused, which is the problem.
Bruh I didn’t know who you were talking about till 10 min into the video, the camera cuts him off 😂😂
TheBoss Mayne right thought the one in the middle
Him at 4:28 👌🏻
He failed miserably with that fake newspaper clipping of the central 5 debacle to defend Trump's racism. Literal trash.
I can't stand how everyone is afraid to speak up WITH Blaire. Everyone clearly missed her ENTIRE point and think getting fake offended & not letting people speak means that they're actually right. I respect those who stand for what makes SENSE even if standing alone.
How can one be neither and both? Mental gymnastics!
girl...how you come to DEBATE but get offended?
How dare you use gender pronouns!
Hm, it’s almost as if humans were programmed to be emotional idk 🤔
jojofromtx he probably says that feelings don’t care about you facts
you mean to say "they/them/xe/xir/boo/bee/ba.... how to come to debate but get offended?"
@Lavender Uke If your gonna get offended, better no showing up honey, that's it, she used him as an example, cause that sir was talking nuts, deconstructing binary, firs of all the lagbt...................................... comunity invented that word for genders, now the world has to adapt to what the 0.1 of the world population wants? And do you know the way their doing this deconstruction? Teaching kids of 4 years old on how they can be a girl, a boy, a dog, a cow, a pig, or if they want to, any of it and everything at the same time, what kind of bullshit is this.
9:33 what kind of mediator??? Blaire was literally in the middle of a sentence! A mediator means you are unbiased and not apart of the conversation! *anger*
dysfunktional zinn yeah that was ridiculous lol
Regardless of what Blair was saying, whether she was right or wrong, the moderator saw someone being kicked into the ground and made a judgement call to let the topic cool off before things escalated. That's a moderator's job. Making those calls to make sure no-one is being bullied, regardless of if that's what was happening or not.
aforestopera i mean i suppose. But it’s very clear that this moderator was biased. and she could have at least let blaire finish her sentence
I agree with the fact that she is biased. Unfortunately, having a conservative moderator would bring about the opposite problem, so I'm not sure what the solution would be there. But yeah...
aforestopera having someone who is neutral? who doesn’t identify as liberal or conservative? maybe someone from a different country who is educated on american politics but doesn’t have an opinion bc they aren’t american.
“I’m gonna stop you. Jamie, how are you doing?”
Dude this moderator should not be the moderator. THIS is the issue with many woke people. Blaire expressed her opinion and the mod is coddling Jamie because of it. These people back away out of emotion instead of being logical and it’s sad.
How can you be non-binary and trans?? I still don't get it. Non-binary is when you don't feel like a woman nor a man, regardless of your biological sex. And transgender is to move from your biological sex to the opposite one.
Off topic, I couldn't stop noticing how the black person (forgot their name) right next to Blair started to give her the back because they started to disliking what Blaire was saying. It's almost like they're grossed out to be so close to Blaire. Interesting.
I can see Blaire’s point. I feel like trans people and non binary people are two different things & experiences.
Alvin Del Rey Correct!
Right like binary people don’t go through everything a trans person would. Not that they’re invalid but just shouldn’t be under the transgender term. They take it as if she was saying that they aren’t real.
yes that’s right! i don’t get how someone could be non-binary and trans at the same time .. it’s illogical if you think about it... you’re being identified as “they/them” so how could you be trans? trans from what to what?
im a straight male and don't really get wtf is going on but i think the level headed people are the blond with blue cloths and blaire and maybe the maga holder in the middle (fuck trump impeach the mothafucker treasonous scum) i think i need to watch this again see if it was going somewhere
Elizabeth Bloom well, non-binary isn’t a real thing. It’s a made up term for people like Jamie to make themselves feel special and unique. Before you say it is, there’s no scientific backing for it and the fact that there are only young people identifying as non-binary proves that it’s just another stupid new and trendy thing.
**people start actually talking with facts and logic**
Moderator: we’re gonna need to move on
That’s vice for ya
That one chick went on foreverrrrrr
Lol what? She used anecdotes and generalizations, not 'facts and logic'
RocketmanUT hahaha I wish i could give your reply more likes 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 blaire’s followers are too much and acting like she didn’t talk more than most of them combined
I loved how the moderator asked if the trans woman felt erased by non binary people and the girl said "in terms of conversations a lot of the times yes" and then the moderator muted the girl, proving that she was totally right Lol
WE LOVE YOOOOU BLAIREEEEEE keep speaking the truth
Jamie get a grip.
So Blaire is telling the girl in yellow her experience and feelings about being a trans women and the girl in the yellow is trying to be more oppressed than her but at the same time said that she advocates for trans right but she’s litterally not listening to a trans women’s feelings.
🤨
You people have your own logic nobody can follow.
That’s not a trans woman .. that’s a non binary person .. they have zero say in transsexual issues.. Blaire is right 🙌
I get that Jamey felt hurt when Blaire said she didn’t view them as Trans but...did she lie? I’m really trying to understand how one can be Trans and non-binary at the same time. Typically, when someone transitions, they transition to MTF or FTM so if you’re non-binary and feel like you’re neither, what exactly are you transitioning to? I do believe that someone can identity as Trans and not have medical procedure done, especially not done right away. But to be Trans and non-binary? Don’t those two conflict/overlap? Feel free to explain so I can understand exactly how someone can identify as both at the same time.
Stop thinking. What are you, a bigot?
@@gaelmendez3652 I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a joke. Instead of just going along with these people they're actually thinking about the definitions and what they mean lol
*crickets*
@@1997Gaa ty, it was most def a joke
Jamey experiences gender dysphoria and does not identify with the gender they were born as, nor do they identify with the gender binary at all. Trans in its simplest form means not identifying as the gender you were assigned at birth. Which fits Jamey’s experience.
“There’s nothing new that you’re doing, you’ve just made it political”
I never thought I’d agree with someone in a MAGA hat
Honestly the labels are what kill us. There's right wingers that are actually very logical and can hold a great debate. And I'm a Lefty.
I wish that nonbinary wasn’t a political issue cause I’m here just wanting to live and I got these people speaking for me
You don't do much thinking I suppose 😂
Chris Smith 😂
Chris Smith is that supposed to insult me somehow?
Non binary is not trans. It’s English search the definition and search trans meaning.
i love how it's all about inclusiveness but there are no subtitles for folks hard at hearing. lol
That black guy next to Blair needs to chill . Like he looks all offended by everything....
Hes poz, lives on stamps.
He cant chill.
Το ζαρκάδι της Κω THERES so many things you could have said that weren’t blatantly racist
She just put out a video where she said he was very rude and whispering things to her that the camera didn’t pick up. That’s actually what brought me here.
“Non binary” usually all do
Carrot Boy and the black girl/ boy sitting next to him
this moderator is clearly biased...
Well he/she/it is leftist, so they're allowed to be biased, right?
JR N but she’s the moderator... her job is literally not to be... ok
Crystal Chrysanthemum it’s not possible to be non-bias. Everyone has their bias.
Caleb Reynolds yea but that’s her job... to be as non-biased as possible-she’s a moderator..... y’all cmon
Crystal Chrysanthemum your job is also to minimize personal attacks, logical fallacies, incorrect statements and off topic comments. If you wanna say the mod sucked, I would say she failed on those fronts.
Interesting debate. I enjoy seeing people speak respectfully about such political topics and share their views.