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- Why is America's gun debate so loaded? A panel of gun owners and users weighs in on the most elusive issue in the U.S. - safety. They debate AR15s, red flag laws, school shootings, mental health, self-defense and why Americans don't feel safe.
00:00 Intro
01:11 How Does Shooting a Gun Make You Feel?
08:35 Owning Guns for Self-Defence
18:28 Mass Shootings
25:57 Red Flag Laws
31:28 Restrictions on Specific Guns
• World News
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I am shocked that america still has not banned guns i mean 12,000 deaths a year vs every other country like 20 deaths a year and don't even start with the knife bullshit excuse there is no comparison. Every year i switch on the tv and all i see is shooting after shooting after shooting in america it really is a embarrassment now. America need to wake up and realise its not a good idea giving civillians guns and crime goes way down once guns are taken away statistics have shown this time and time again there is no argument and anyone who does argue this cannot accept the truth.
Hey Vice!
Can we get a debate with black American women and their views on feminism, sexism and the gender dynamics in the black community.
Surprised that some of these people actually had really sensible answers... way better than the women's debate🤣
How long until you close this comment section too?
@@graffic13 Annnd low bar. As always here...
I cannot understand how someone could “not trust the government” and in the same breath say that the government should hold all the power.
Absolutely!
Sooo true!
That’s American’s for you
@@evansuarez5432 nope, that’s the psychotic left across the globe.
It’s not hard to understand that government has to hold all power because it’s better than the other options
“If someone in your community commits a crime it’s the community’s fault”
Never seen someone dodge accountability so much in my entire life
Especially when you have judges and cops of the same community who let those off with a slap on the wrist of that just because their of the same community your absolutely right
Why are there no crimes in rich neighborhoods, it’s the community
@@azurekaze474 there’s plenty of crime in rich neighborhoods they just keep it under wraps again when of the community they don’t air out the rich dirt all the kiddy porn sex trafficking school shootings etc
@@azurekaze474 generally people who make more money commit less violent crime
@@azurekaze474what is different between the "rich community" and the "poor community" that leads to violence in the latter? It's not about the community...its about the home. "Rich communities" are significantly more likely to have 2 parent households. IMHO, that makes all the difference.
As a vet, I love how the veteran woman in the back row, had to visibly hold her tongue when the man in the front called a magazine a clip
somone needed penguinz to school them
Did they misgender her gun? Bet she was triggered
what does it effing matter?? You understand what point someone in trying to make. Don't get so fussy about these details that other people dont give two hoots about.
@@BigMeech935 Yes, but technical jargon shouldn't be thrown or used to dismiss common sense arguments revolving gun control. What a lot of gun nuts do is they take all these insider knowledge about terminologies revolving guns to argue against any kind of gun control. Stuff like, "Do you even know the difference between semi-automatic rifle, assault rifle, and sub-machine gun..... or like differecne between a pistol and a handgun?" to someone who might conflate the two. But it really doesn't f***ing matter because any kind of gun doesn't make sense in a civil society. So you throw this technical jargon as an excuse without making any actual argument
@@BigMeech935 Ok Boss. Whatever makes you happy. This is coming from a side that makes arguments like "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun", "cars/knives/cancer/etc also kill people, should we ban cars etcetc too?", "it's in the constitution it cant be taken away (not realizing ironically that it's an amendment)", and makes extremely false claims and lies to defend their side.
And btw, yes, people can talk about banning guns despite not knowing the correct technical knowledge if they will that guns are not safe and have no place in civil society. Btw, there is AMPLE amount of evidence and data to scientifically prove that guns in civil society cause increased violence and vice versa. Countries that banned guns experience sharp decline in mass shootings. In most countries mass shooting in something that is extremely rare but it happens almost every day in this country causing deaths of so many children. Guess we'll never know why.
At last, we can agree to disagree, because if you're a gun nut, no amount of persuasion can convince you. Jesus could come to earth and tell you to give up your guns and you still wouldn't do it. So this argument is really pointless. But yeah feel free to ramble on if you want to waste your precious energy.
When the lady with the tattoos that works in security said that schools are only offering $14 dollars an hour to provide additional security at schools is mind blowing.
Armed security doesn’t get paid like people think they do
But we’ll send 100 billion to fight other countries wars.
@hannibalwilmetcalf8363 wow, talk about pay raise! Where can I submit an application?
That's honestly the problem with security. Rarely does it pay enough to hire competent guards who are willing to put their ass on the line for the pay.
If security does its job well, they avoid problems before they happen and people think they are just lazy, so why pay? Then something happens and people wonder why security wasn't there to begin with
As non American who study the American history the second amendment was written to protect the people from its own government if they ever get out of line. Same time use it to protect your home and self. Most importantly to protect from the government.
Yep I agree, it's nonsense.
@@robbieskids9159 what is nonsense
@@sawyerhoy1023 your precious constitution and their amendments.
@@robbieskids9159 I asked a simple question no need for the aggression
@@robbieskids9159 also I don’t know what your agreeing with, their statement didn’t not oppose or support the constitution or amendments
Crazy listening to the gentleman saying to “run” out of your own home now, just a short time after seeing the video of the poor defenseless girl running and lifting her baby over the fence, only to be chased down (outside her home), and both be brutally murdered anyway. Damn.
that guy clearly is mentally diminished. he has been victimized and he still cant grasp the concept of self defense. i wouldnt be taking any advice from that weak excuse of a man
Yeah that guy is a certified idiot when it comes to this debate.
Yeah, bet these people have nothing to say about this.
I'm disturbed by how nonchalantly he told her to just give up. That's exactly what he's saying 🤦♀️
Woke white liberals are destroying this country. 🤦♀️
Why are anti-gun people always the people who know the absolute least about them? Like to a scary extreme degree
100% agree. At least in CA, once you go through the process of purchasing a weapon, you realize all the things people say about how easy it is to get a gun flies out the window. In USA, there ARE background checks and waiting periods, additionally in CA, I had to take a gun safety test, give my finger prints, provide ID and supporting documents I live at that address, multiple waivers and agreements to sign. Then at a range, there is a range officer, everyone is preaching gun safety and responsibility, it's really a supportive community of people looking to protect themselves and the community. In reality, the vast amount of gun violence happens in poor neighborhoods, by people that didn't legally obtain their gun and have no training on how to use it.
@@akronaut6367 my favorite is when they yap about the “gun show loophole”. In California it’s an even bigger hassle than a normal purchase
i dont think any of these people said they were anti guns.
@@gareshadeabreu3238 ? Did you not watch the video or do you not know what anti means?
You always fear what you don't understand.
As a South American I wish I could defend my family and have the same gun laws as you. Here the criminals are armed and families are not.
Same. And then there's cases like the ones of Sendero Luminoso.
I wish the U.S had foreign individuals like yourself share their views and experience but somehow our left political spectrum has convinced a large portion of the country that gun violence doesn't exsist outside of the US, I mean even the woman said it in front, that gun violence is a unique issue when it isnt
What country? Not all have the same level of gun restriction
Some of these people think criminals will follow the laws. Incredible.
@@hiphipjorge5755Cuba, Venezuela, etc, etc. The ones where the government rules the people instead of the people running the government.
Lol. "Just get out the house!"
Oh. Yeah, thanks, I didn't think of that. I should have known to run around my home, collecting all my children and walking downstairs completely defenseless and out the front door while several armed men are in said home with the intent to do me and my loved ones harm.
and when you look up videos of women and men defending themselves in their own homes with firearms, even the elderly ones: a couple shots and the crooks scatter. that's what's up and that man knows it, because as someone who's been shot, he said he should have run... which means as soon as the bullets sound, the desired effect is produced even by HIS OWN ACCOUNT.
@@trinydex yes! Criminals don't like to work... if you become work for them (i.e. you show you are capable and willing to fight back with equal or superior force) they are lazy by nature and most will run away. Clint Smith puts this very eloquently - "If you look like food, you will be eaten"
And the police shouldn't shoot them they should just deescalate it. And that we should remove all forms of selfie defense. And they should go work on the community garden and talk to their councilors.
@@likeablecloud2454 well, do you admit that there's a category of people who are interested in doing true crime? and that serious crime requires violence to enforce boundaries?
if so, do you want those people to avoid consequences by working on a community garden and disingenuously speaking to counselors?
@@trinydex lol. I though you were serious for a second.
Nah none of the things I said will work. Guidance counselors are a joke. They won't do much if the person is deranged. And a community garden... Omg imagine if theu actually did that over securing the school. Like omg it's so good for my mental health planting this. For those same kids growing up and being called a POS who hates the world because they grew up wanting to farm and their cows fart. Imagine that.
"Leave the house"
How the hell do you leave that house with your children when 2 people are already inside your house
They spent waaay too much time at Disney world and fantasyland as kids.
I guess they will book it and leave their wife and kids to be assaulted.
Time to turn in their cards. They didn’t earn them.
Soy has taken hold.
And somehow leaving the house just magically makes you safer because those guys just somehow can’t follow you outside lol. That guy is very delusional. And he talks about mass shooters using AR-15s acting like it’s some super automatic mass murder weapon. It’s funny how these people always just gloss over the “good guy with a gun” like it never exists, look at the Sutherland Springs incident in Texas “The attack is the deadliest mass shooting in Texas history, and the fifth-deadliest in the United States.”, if Stephen Willeford wasn’t there with an AR-15 defending the lives of the people involved in that tragic event, so many more people would’ve been killed. And isn’t it so interesting that any other Mass shooting is covered by the Media in full for days to weeks on end, and yet The Sutherland Springs shooting was only just barely covered with barely any mention of the heroism of Stephen Willeford. The media is insidious because they only want to cover and push incidents that help drive their narrative instead of “The Worst Mass Shooting in Texas History”, all because that incident was prevented from becoming even worse by a “good guy with a gun”.
Zoomers, the entire gen, lack even rudimentary levels of logic and reasoning. He'll be embarrassed by this statement at some point in his life
I guess he said F the kids lol
@@03stmlax I hope he's already getting fleeced by family and friends for looking like a moron on film.
As someone that had at least two deputies in my public school since 6th grade, we never felt as if we were in prison. The deputies were adored by all the students and our female deputy allowed for all of the girls to feel safe and feel understood. My middle-school deputy, before he passed, cared and loved every child. They gave us someone that we could inform about dangerous situations that we trusted and that we knew would protect us at all cost.
Im guessing your not a minority
@@User-sb6eryou're silly, they protect ALL, stop trying to victimize people
Absolutely! ❤
@@User-sb6er keep your guesses to yourself, it's not the w you think it is.
@@User-sb6er I think its clear that im white by my picture, but since you like to guess - middle school deputy was white, and both high school deputies were black (one male and one female).
"A gun is not a known deterrent"..........are you fuckin serious bro?
“A gun is not a deterrent” this man sees the world through a keyhole
It doesn't take much research to know if someone lives in a open carry or a state with conceal carry.. People will be less likely to commit violent crime on someone with a weapon in fear they will likely lose their life committing that crime.
Barrel fish.
@Frozenbizkit What about those who don't care if they come out alive? How do you those in check?
@@quincyquincy4764 Oh, well that's what the bullets are for.
@@quincyquincy4764 those people are the ones who end up in a coffin.
the "just run away" guy completely neglects that an armed person can train responsibly and thoroughly to get to the point where a gun isn't a false sense of security, in fact it's an effective tool to keep yourself alive when all other options are off the table.
That is damn near what Colion Noir said in his rebuttal. Ive been listening to his response while reading through the posts on here.
The "just run away" gun seems to forget that the criminal with the gun has legs too and it probably much faster since she is running with kids. Also, nobody is going to outrun a bullet.
I suspect he's the same type of mental midget who goes to a concert and sees an amazing guitarist and thinks "that dude has so much talent."... without stopping to think about the tens of thousands of hours of practice... and all the things he (or she) may have given up along the way... to get that freaking good.
The world is filled with people who can't see past their own noses.
Let's be real fro bro p ussy and the rest of the so called men .
Just run away.............. because guns aren't ranged weapons. Just run away is a dumb comment.
"Shooting a gun is like spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility."
Get Colion Noir in an episode. I’m sure he would be more than happy to be in a long conversation setting like this.
If Collion Noir was on this panel, he would destroy these guys with pure facts.
My thoughts exactly.
He's the reason I searched for this video. he posted a video about an hour ago debunking the anti-gun people in this video
Bingo. these are paid actors.
Collion Noir would destroy any anti 2a person
Edited spelling
Yeah, he would. He made a video on this debate too.
When I was 6 year old kid, my mother used a gun to deter and protect me and my sister from a drug-crazed guy kicking in our front door. The cops did not get there till long after it was over. If my mom had a machine gun with 1000 rounds that day, I would be fine with that. The cops eventually caught the guy, after he brutally assaulted one of our neighbors. That's reality.
That’s America
@@shajshdks3296 that's FREEDOM! Having the right and the freedom to protect your family and self from harm or death, instead of just waiting at room temperature for someone to draw your outline on the ground and take pictures.
Good on your mom. Cops are magicians and can’t just magically appear instantly. But they still did their job as they usually always do like u said by catching him eventually.
@@shajshdks3296 ah yes violence only happens in America.....should take a trip to brazil and see the favelas or mexico and how fun their cartles can be :)
@@shajshdks3296 that’s everywhere
“You need to get out of the house” that man is a dunce
If we all had conversations like this more often, the world would be a much better place.
They don’t want us having conversations lol
@@Leelee66666 who’s they? I’m not trying to be a smart ass. I’m genuinely curious.
@@gunnergibson4317 the problem is they don’t understand what gun control does we need people that have weeks to prepare debate on opposite sides
@@gunnergibson4317 Mostly people that live on the coasts and are more likely to be in charge of newspapers or tv newsrooms. Many of them just automatically side with gun control without evidence because it is the 'moral' position among their peers. They tend to just assume anyone that doesn't see it their way is backwards/evil/selfish. They are the ones that avoid these conversations.
@@matthewhawthorne8411 ... literally what are you even talking about?
People like you are the problem btw.. every single country besides the us (not exaggerating or being hyperbole) has gun control.
China for example has more gun control and less crime AND MORE CITIZENS (which is an argument people use "oh! but these other countries with more gun control and less crime have less people), another example is India, more gun control, less crime rate, more people, etc.
It's so disgenious to constantly lie about this issue when the united states is quite literally, AGAIN, the only country in the world that doesn't have any form of gun control and sells guns in literal fucking super markets like walmart...
That lady with the white top is why the 2A exists in the first place. She’s okay with taking firearms of people who disagree with her politically, ideologically, etc.. She’s treading on some dangerous grounds here.
I can't believe she was dumb enough to say that on camera. Most liberals lie and pretend like they aren't tribalistic "my team" hypocrites. She probably has a blog where she complains about Conservatives destroying Democracy, and wishes Hillary became President. *puke*
She show is.
She's a fascist, but will claim those she disagrees with are.
For real though
The lady in the white top is a man
"A gun is not a known deterrent" is by far the most amazingly ignorant statement a brother could have made, my god...
I believe what he’s referring to is that someone breaking into a home cannot know for sure that there are guns inside. Whereas they can see lights or security cameras or hear a dog barking. If they knew for certain the owner was armed that would certainly be a deterrent but that’s not something they can see or hear from outside the house.
@tostang facts
@@cassidyoneill1305 Statistically there are far more home invasions in cities where firearms are highly regulated, such as NYC, LA, Chicago. Criminals are opportunistic by nature, and know the chances of getting shot is unlikely.
Compare that to towns which are more free for lawful people to possess firearms, home invasions are almost nonexistent, or significantly lower.
This is the type of person who would chase someone down if they had a gun. Like the 3 retards that tried to kill Kyle Rittenhouse.
@@cassidyoneill1305seriously?? If someone knows their life is on the line they will think twice before assaulting you. It’s common sense
Afro really likes listening to himself talk, Jesus Christ. I wish he is as right as he is passionate.
Vice please release the full
unedited version of this conversation. Much of the edits seemed to lack to full context
"Run out the house" never laughed so hard 🤣! On another note that guy with the fro has no idea what the actual gun culture of responsible gun owners is really like.
Run out your home from the second story. Ask him how you could do that. The guy with the fro is an idiot
Goof ball he is crazy
“Gun violence”. As if criminals follow the laws and will turn in their guns or care about gun restrictions. Would like to know exactly who was the perp who commuted the gun violence against him. Most likely not a legal gun owner
He seems like a reformed hood rat turned full blown liberal beta male.
99% of "responsible" gun owners are not actually responsible. They are the exact paranoid idiots you dont want holding a gun.
6:14 That one guy has a point, I carry my fence and security system in my pocket wherever I go and I haven’t had an issue once.
Good job too bad there's tons of videos of ppl with them systems watching ppl raid their homes.
@@Superb_LegendI think you and the original comment agree. The original comment is being sarcastic-you can’t take your fence to the mall.
Alarm systems keep honest people honest. I have several guns and carry, never had an issue. OBW none of my guns have snuck out and shot anyone either.
@vD34THvD34L3Rv The original comment you responded to could not have been any more sarcastic and it still went over your head. 🤦♂️
Even though I wouldn't want the same gun laws as the US in my own country, I would for sure want to own a gun if I had to live in the US because of the high rates of violent crime. It makes a lot of sense in that regard. Also the genie is out the bottle with all those hundreds of millions of guns in circulation anyway, so even if you wanted to change it's almost become impossible at this point. It's also understandable since America was one of the few countries in the Anglosphere to break free from Great Britain by revolting against a perceived tyrannical government. As a society you just have to accept that the price of freedom is having daily mass shootings and off the charts gun deaths compared to other developed countries.
Did this guy really say having the lights on and a dog is more deterrent than having a gun?
YES he did say it, they have armed officers in the school systems in Ohio the children not the teenagers. The children that were interviewed said it was never something. They actually noticed. They didn’t feel like they were in prison, which is a really stupid in my opinion idea that we’re making schools prison no one is holding your child in a prison, giving them three meals a day in a cot that’s a ridiculous retort!
He was saying that those things like having a dog and lights on at home are obvious deterrents to a potential criminal whereas if you have a gun no one will know that unless you have a flag of a giant gun on your property or something.
I would love to see a version of this debate that includes europeans or in general people who are not that familiar with guns. I'm from Italy and I have a totally different view on this topic than most of the participants of the debate because I was never exposed to guns, I've never even seen one in real life and I think this is the case for most of the people I know. Very interesting to see how much your environment can affect your perception of things
You’ve never seen police or military with a gun in real life?
Guns/gunpowder were banned by England in 1774 colonial America & then attempted gun confiscation in April 1775, started that 8- year war for American independence & England almost won that war in 1783!!
all you have to do is listen to an anti gun congressmen to see someone debate gun control with zero knowledge about guns the problem is there trying to put all guns they find "scarry" in military categories, they caint even describe what a military style assault rifle even is to begin with! just go look at Sheila Jackson's statement about the ar15, anyone with even the slightest bit of knowledge would die laughing over her statements most gun owners actually agree there needs to be some regulation but not to the point of absurdity its already become especially here in california where a 22 rifle is being classified as a military style assault weapon because of a front grip, scope,and a 12 rd mag..........
That means your opinion is 100% irrelevant
It’s cliche to compare guns to cars in these discussions but I think it makes sense here. Most people are not afraid of cars, they have seen cars, and many own and/or use cars because they are a useful tool of transportation. But if some people had never seen or used cars and simply saw them used in action movies or saw endless news footage and data about the harrowing death traps on 4 wheels, they would be rightfully upset! It’s also a bit similar to how sex education has changed from abstinence only policies to more comprehensive knowledge-based teaching.
If people were less conditioned to be afraid of guns and more effort was put into training people how to use and be comfortable around guns, there would be much less fear involved with them. They are dangerous, but so are cars, knives, chainsaws, hammers, crossbows, heavy machinery, etc… depends on how it’s used.
The right to protect yourself or your family is not a right that the government can give or take away. I live in Richmond VA and have called the police twice in the past year once for someone breaking into my house and once for a shooting and both times I couldn’t reach the police. When I called I just got a message saying they were experiencing an unusually high call volume and to call back later
Yep
911? Wow.
@@ronswansonsdog2833Sadly It's more common than you'd think. Taking matters into your own hands isn't fun but it has to be done sometimes.
but if guns did not exist, then the guy who broke in wouldnt have guns too. why are guns even allowed??!! it blows my mind as a person living in another country
@@6px Because no law will prevent criminals from getting guns since the whole point of them being criminals is that they don’t obey laws in the first place.
The guy who said the mom should run away when 2 people break into her home while her children are there obviously doesn't have kids because in that situation it's no longer about personal safety it's about protecting her children who aren't going to be able to run away
That guy's a clown.
I’m starting to questing if he truly is a victim of gun violence
He said F the kids every man for himself 😂 what a coward.
He says "You can't outshoot two guys with AR-15s". But in his head, you should be able to grab several kids and outrun bullets of intruders who are already in your house, or you know, apartment that may be 20 floors up. I can't believe how much stupid can come out of a single person's mouth.
His advice is to try to outrun a gunman... but his ass got shot! How’d that running work for him?
Then he says “people are dying in my hood, black community blah blah”... but his advice is to get a dog, fence & alarm system. The majority of the black and/or poor community actually RENT an apartment in a multi-unit building, with a landlord who doesnt allow pets or electrical re-wiring to install a fucking CCTV system... this guy is delusional. Another “oppressed black man” who grew up in a “white” suburban/rural area.
You know our country is messed up when we really need to debate whether our own 2A is legitimate and is deserved.
😂 it's clown world and biden is the clown god
akshually, the founding fathers made it so only the militias could have guns.. more modern congresses made it so every body could have one.. but the shootings are only going to ramp up as more stupid people get more guns.. but whatever this is the life we are currently in.
I care more about human lives than that 2A
@@Klairelol 😂 who are Captain save everybody
@@Klairelol That doesn’t make much sense. Why can’t u support both?
This guy said run from 2 people with ARs. 🤦🏾♂️
You are your own first responder. Be prepared. Laws only affect those who obey them. Get a gun. Train as best as you can and hope you never need it but be assured that it is there if you do.
This man, with a straight face, actually said, "A gun is not a known deterrent." 😂😂😂 WHAT!?!
He has problems
I think he is a paid troll
There is a reason many of these mass shooting events are in gun free zones.
the politicians, celebrities and courts that are protected by guns are laughing at that idiot. WE PROTECT IMPORTANT THINGS WITH GUNS, PERIOD.
I don't think he's straight.
I got diagnosed with PTSD at 19, and I did therapy for help... I realized that instead of learning to handle my insecurities, *I could buy a gun for the same price as 4 hours at my therapist!* They say "you should go to a mental health specialist," yet trying to take away guns which are overall cheaper and can truly make you feel secure. Its a breath of fresh air, knowing that I don't have to tell myself that something happened for a reason; now I can prevent bad things from happening if I need to (without running away and living in fear).
This is great sarcasm
When he said escape 2 intruders with ARs by leaving your home via window exit 😂 stop it
And her thinking she could take on 30 with AR15 wasn’t comical? 😂
"Having a dog, having the lights on, having a fence, having a security system - a security camera - is MORE EFFECTIVE at protecting your homes." Although these are good ideas for preventing a robbery or attack, these things will NOT protect you in the event that someone intrudes into your home with the intention of causing you great bodily harm. A gun is a defensive force multiplier that will save your life when all else fails. It's up to the gun owner to secure their weapon and know when and how to use it.
I think said there are other ways to defend yourself. 🤔 first thing i thought of was maybe i should learn how to throw an 🪓. No bro firearms are the best way to defend yourself because with little practice and effort anyone could develop the skills needed to operate a firearm. Axes would be cooler 😎
The thing is when people see those things? They also tend to assume that there’s also a firearm present.
His ideas should work in a relatively safe suburb where gun violence is unlikely to happen (in comparison to the big cities), but i think in rural areas or urban areas with high crime rate, bit debatable.
Ironically, some HOAs have an issue with security measures.
@@petejohnson1524 Well said, I share the same opinions. I fully agree with the point you made about Ukraine. In today’s geopolitical climate, we all need to be prepared for the possibility of war on our soil. I’m not saying everyone needs to be armed to the teeth, but each citizen that can legally own a firearm needs to prioritize purchasing one and get trained in responsible use of their firearm.
I live rural but just outside a big city. An officer was killed just a mile from my house. It took his buddies 40 minutes to get to him after the call for help went out. I will not give up the ability to defend myself or my family from a threat out here. I don't hunt and only own guns for one reason, bad humans.
I lived in a big city my whole life, if only folks where I lived understood how vast and open this country is outside city life
agreed... even the best average police response time in the US of 3 minutes is an eternity while you're being assaulted, or if you're unresponsive and need EMS. you are your own first responder, cops and EMS are just backup. in reality as you stated most police show up in like 30+ minutes.
As we get a bit older we are even buying a defib machine. Trauma kits and self defense are key to survival.
@@SkyDrifters1 absolutely. after watching John Lovells video about an AED saving one of his students im saving up to get one.
The woman on the far upper left and the woman on the far lower right of the panel were the most informative about guns and how they work. Bad people WILL have guns, regardless if they are legal. Good people SHOULD be able to defend themselves from those who are bad.
“When seconds count, a cop is minutes away”
-2A🇺🇸
Fun fact: the 2nd Amendment said that " the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" instead of "people should have the right to keep and bear arms". This clearly shows that the right of the people to keep and bear Arms is provided not by the 2nd amendment but, like the women sitting at the top left corner said, by the creator. In other words, it is a natural right that exists regardless whether the 2A is still in effect, and the 2A is just emphasizing and protecting it.
Correct, they are God given rights. The Amendments are just the listing of them.
@@GodDragonLich interesting. i'm pro 2a, but i dont recall God coming down and saying anything like that.
I’d stipulate that you still have the right even in the absence of a god.
@@tooslow4065
Your existence as an American, has endowed you with this natural right. Regardless if you believe in God or not.
The 2nd Amendment is meant to constrain the Government.
@@Mr.9x19mm why do animals have defense mechanism if not to preserve life and ensure survival?
Thank you Vice. Because of this video you have shown me the light and the error of my ways. I realize now that I do not have enough guns and must go purchase more. I'll be sure to get "@Vice" engraved on it so everyone will know who motivated me to get it.
😂lol….
9:30 this panelist is 100% correct. America was founded by people who had completely opposite views than this panelist. So can someone please explain to me why someone who shares her thinking would want to come to America and/or stay in america and think america owes it to this person to change the culture to fit their worldview?
@lacidrainl5192 I'm actually really surprised how much I've had to search for a comment that doesn't like guns, it was clear the anti gun people had no idea what they were talking about. Especially on the self defense topics
Fucking gold
I think one issue with having people with no firearm background or experience try to give input on how the laws should work is that they can't constructively give feedback if they are not aware of the preexisting laws.
It's like if we asked a group of people who watched or played football to make rules to make the game safer, vs asking people who never watched football, don't even know the rules of football, try to make safety rules based on their feelings and preconceived notions.
"People plan for their fears" That's the whole point right there. As a gun owner who didn't grow up around guns, that's the whole reason why my friends and I have become owners. That's true at least for your first gun, the rest are just for fun on the range haha. The mentality at first is "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" and I'm always going to be skeptical of any agency or group that wants to remove my ability to do that.
So you're a paranoid man child. Gotcha.
Yep.
My background is diff, i owned 2 guns before I bought one I'd feel comfortable using to defend myself.
My 1st was a single shot 4-10. Good starter gun. Second was a 22 rifle.
But I agree 100% about not trusting any agency wanting to infringe on my rights.
Really hit my wife during the pandemic. When stores where empty and riots where going on
@@M1A.308 were*
@@DarthVader1977 thanks grammar police
As a European, first minute of the video already gave me huge culture shock.
It would...most of Europe has given away their freedoms to government. You think you are safe...your history says you're not.
@@1guysopinion798 “you think you’re safe”
well i can’t name you one school shooting in my country in the last 40 years so yeahh, i’d say i’m way safer.
@@psq6214 well you didn't say which country, so how close is it to a population of 331,000,000? Or your largest city to 9,000,000?
@@1guysopinion798 Buddy, you don’t have a number problem, you have a culture problem
Plenty of countries have more people than the US and plenty of those don’t bury their kids cause they sent them to school.
America is a great country, if you wanna make it even better face these issues, don’t pretend they’re not there.
@@psq6214 we're the third largest population in the world, with that comes problems. In addition we freedoms few if any countries have and a very diverse group of people... those have their own special issues. I noticed you still haven't mentioned where your utopia is afraid I'll know something about it?
You need real people answering these questions not just who vice deemed intellectually competent for this type of content.
Yeah these are just left wingers with the standard talking points. they have no substance.
I’m 30 and I had a school resource officer from the time I was in elementary school until I graduated high school. I felt safe and fine. Our school resource officers were cool as hell.
Than you got lucky dude 😂😂😂😂. I'm 25 and our resource officer went out of his way to pad his own record. As a senior in high school I got suspended 4 times because I had cigarettes in my car. Wether or not you see that as right or wrong I shouldn't be denied an education for an entire month out of a 8 month school year.
@xrcassassin3544 You obey the rules on the books,not the nonsense you conjure up.
@@loualbino5536 sweetie my vice principle who was also the head football coach told the resource officer in front of my face that if he tried to arrest another CHILD for tobacco that he would make sure he never set foot in the school again. There is a difference between enforcing school rules and literally trying to arrest children dude. There is never a situation worthy of taking away a child's right to education especially over something as small as a 17 year old with cigarettes when the age requirement was 18.
@@loualbino5536 you seem like a republican. Maybe this is your wake up call to realize all 10 of the worst education systems are in red states. Because of mindsets like yours.
Love these debates ❤
The female firearms instructor is on 🔥🔥🔥
Seems like the only one that realizes that the 2A doesn’t grant you a right to self defense but rather guarantee that no one can take that right but judicial means.
🤞🏻 “By judicial means”
These debates are misleading, there are obviously plants meant to forward certain agendas. Especially the anti 2A agendas
@@devrinmg The 2A doesn't "grant" you anything. It codifies your right to bear arms for whatever purpose you deem fit (within the law of course). Probably what you're saying, just with a different angle.
yes is fire
They’ve trained many people to be domesticated and docile relying on other to provide safety. I refuse to be a victim and refuse to allow those around me to be victimized. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst🤷🏿♂️
When intruders with ar 15 comes to your house, the solution is to get out the house. What if the intruders are blocking your way. What if you live in an apartment building on 6th floor and there is no way to get out the house without running in to the intruders
This wasn't a real debate. You need to include more members that are pro-gun ownership.
*It makes me happy to go through the comments and see so much support for the Second Amendment.*
Honestly I thought it was gunna be an all out bashing. But I was pleasantly surprised!
2A
@@anthonyfletcher8053an armed society is a polite society
Second amendment is chill, our attitudes towards guns aren't. A gun should not be used flippantly. If you feel anything but tension while holding a gun, you're doing it wrong.
@@jhonklan3794 ok Fudd Jr
@@jhonklan3794 If all you feel is tension while holding any firearm you shouldn't own one.
The Ermiya Fanaeian lady is absolutely insane. The fact that she actually said the people with opposing political view points from her should be disarmed is wild.
She's the type who smiles and flirt with a man just to turn around and file a sexual harassment complaint just to she him get in trouble, She's a very dangerous person and she doesn't need a gun to kill someone.
I caught that too. First thought was “okay, how do you ID all of those people?” Lady is terrifying
No doubt. Very scary. I wish I was on that panel. So easy to debunk everyone of these anti gun zealots. The white guy stating that our founding fathers were rich, slave owning misogynists. What he fails to realize is these men risked everything to give him the rights and freedoms to stand there saying the things he said. Many of those men did loose everything including their lives. They committed treason as soon as they declared independence. He’s absolutely correct in his claims. But these rich white men risked it all to give all of us the rights we have.
And the trans guy. Girl. Whatever. Because he doesn’t own or care for guns he doesn’t care about the second amendment? The SECOND amendment. I don’t commit crimes. I’m not worried about the police coming in and searching my home. Why should I care about the 4th amendment? Unlawful search and seizures.
I’m not a journalist. Why should I care about the first amendment? I’m being facetious. Every single amendment is important. You get rid of one you don’t care for and sooner or later they will take away one you do care about. These people are fools.
Nazis are like that
It's quite literally what the germans did in the 30s. Make it hard for certain groups *cough cough* (jews) to get guns? Check.
Which other constitutionally protect right can be infringed upon without a trial by jury?
Shall not be infringed is how the constitution reads!
Blue shirt guy is the definition of don't judge a book by its cover. 🤣🤣🤣
Homie there are 3 "blue shirt guys" in this video
@@87channels white guy in the second row
Another beta male that feels he needs to belong to the current popular society..
I felt the same and felt bad for judging him at first
right, the guy in suspenders.
The woman with the tattoos, and the woman that was in the military are on point. The guy with fro is the worst out of all the gun haters, "get out the house and run" what a joke.🤦🏿♂️
I agree
@@PaparazziMarc Colin would destroy this fool back into his mom's womb
No the worst one was the woman who said only people who share her political and ideological views should be allowed to own guns.
My thoughts exactly
@@xJasonHatx you know what all anti gun people are the worst. I bet that guy never got shot. And I wish I was there to tell him you know young girl try to run away from the cartel and they killed her and her baby execution-style.
How does gun control enthusiast explain country with very strict gun laws, like say Jamaica, having 8 times higher homicide rate than the US?
31:09 this man said Louisiana would be the safest city in the country🤦🏽♂️😭
Props to the lady for saying ... I stand my ground! While the guy is running and leaving his family behind. Can't compare sheep to lions!
In one sentence, she proved to the audience that she is the one with bigger balls.
NAILED IT
She’s gonna “stand her ground” right into an early grave lmao
She is definitely a lion!
@@kaytee5031 tell us without telling us, that you're a sheep. 🤣
"If he has an AR-15, me having an AR-15 doesn't suddenly make us equal." Actually, that's exactly what that means...
Him - "2+2=/=4"
@Joshua Jones you're using semantics. It makes you equal because it takes all other direct physical differences and throws them out the window. 30 rounds v 30 rounds. It doesn't matter if you're tall, short, male, female, big, thin, etc. It's a fair fight now.
@@TheCoolwhipped bruh you’re dead wrong, like he said if that person is more skilled with that weapon then it is not an equal fight. It’s not as simple as “he has ar15, I have ar15, so it’s an equal fight” smh
@Joshua Jones No. But it certainly helps.
@Joshua Jones now take exactly what you just said and apply it to every aspect of life bud or you're bias and have absolutely no room to open your mouth or even voice your opinion.
You shouldn't be driving just because you own a vehicle doesn't make you a proficient driver.
Just because you work food doesn't make you proficient in handling it.
Just because you're a nurse doesn't make you proficient in medical care.
Lmao, joshy boy I'm sorry to inform you. People with your reasoning have no place voicing their opinion. Everyone can have an opinion, but not everyone's opinion matter.
You can say what you want on the internet but I know full and well you wouldn't dare open your mouth like that in public because you wouldn't have any teeth left.
While we still have a long way to go in the mental health realm, I do think awareness and education on mental health (not just mental illness) is being focused on with each generation. That change societally would reflect in all areas, including this one.
This was extremely informative
That woman who said I stand my ground has more balls than those three guys
4*
Agree
That woman is kendra geronimo, the hustle queen. She is one of the most beautiful people i know and i agree. That male was plagued with victim energy and fear.
Sir, she has four time the testicular fortitude. When that brother in the back said run out the house while he himself has guns tell me a lot about him.
@@TheBoomstickBabe he’s pumped with soy and vaccine juice
Armed security for every bank, not for our children. Armed security for Universities, not for our children. Armed security for politicians and government buildings, not for our children. Armed security for airports, train stations, subways, even the Oscar’s in Hollywood… not for our children 🙄 America we have a problem.
In my elementary to high school years they’re was always and armed police officer on the premises but not once did we feel like we were in jail/prison. They were actually good people, it’s today that the media wants you and everyone else to see that the police are not the good guys.
We already have police officers in our schools who are armed. So, most of them are already armed! Why would you make your kids victims of gun violence. A nut job doesn't care about life. They are going to kill as many as possible. It's going to take time for law enforcement to get there! What is your solution?
This channel isn't doing anything to push discussion I posted a comment and it's only been 20mins and it's already disappeared don't talk to me about conversation when this bs happens
it's more than just children going into those schools though
@asiaacuna2120 your right and to protect children from those people they should do what? Teach abstinence and chemistry or wait 45 minutes for police to clear out the bodies?
These are such good discussions. Both the people and the interviewer seems well mannered and well educated. Very happy with this video. Thank you !!!
These are great conversations!! Great job Vice…
I loved the lady on the top left. Well spoken, observant, and intelligent.
I agree! You could tell by her composure and her short but clear answers.
Agreed
Well Spoken isn’t a compliment.
@@trevob123 it is though because most people aren’t 🤔
Her company is my sisters keeper defense in atl, ga. She is a class act.
So when you flee your house, where do you go? Neighbor's house where they have a gun to keep you safe? Or the police station where they can keep you safe with their guns?
People don't smuggle guns Into America, like people don't smuggle weed into Jamaica. Lol
You are the country people smuggle the guns to not from. The gun laws in the rest of the world have criminals trading drugs for guns because it’s easier to smuggle them from USA then get them in their country.
Citizens will never surrender their right to defend themselves against crime and against a corrupt Government. 🧐
Protecting against the government is a void dumb argument. What do you think little Timmy with his ar15 is going to do against the government? If the government ever gets that bad it will be apocalypse and every man for himself.
I’m a short 5’4” black father of 3 boys in Baltimore, MD. I’m never to comfortable when i walk out the door, I trust no strangers no matter how friendly I may come off. That’s something i carry with me no matter where i travel. I’m also a new and current gun owner. In my 33 years of life , I’ve been shot at, robbed at gun point and knife point, had an attempted car jacking done to me as well all in Baltimore. Now those three situations happened before I became a gun owner but like one of my OGs said to me “I’d rather be judge by 12 then carried by 6”
And unfortunately state of Maryland think stronger gun control is the answer when y’all got some of the strongest in the nation smh
Bro that is rough... we're the same age, but I live in Canada and I've never once worried about being shot, I only know of one person that got shot, and that was an accident. Even when I grew up in a "rough" town, everyone used fists or, worst case, box cutters or knives. I wish you and your kids the best, that you will all be safe and not have to live in fear forever.
@@natedogg890 I appreciate that but I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s a state of fear but it’s more like a state of realistic probability and having really really good situational awareness like this place has gotten so bad you have to pick and choose when you go for something even as simple as getting gas but I tread lightly, I keep to myself and mind my own. Also majority of the people I hang with who I like my brothers some are my brothers we are legal registered gun owners we don’t play when it comes down to our family
@@gas-clutch-shift476the sad part is that the gun in your home now has a higher probability of hurting one of your family members than fighting off any other serious crime if you believe in empirical data. But you do what you got to do, but guns in the homes normally leads to a higher probability of harm to a family member than an intruder.
@@gas-clutch-shift476 Again, good luck my friend, but the day-to-day life you are describing sounds like a hellscape to me. It seems like this has become normalized for you and many Americans, it's like the Frog in the Pot allegory, things have steadily become worse and worse, but you've adapted to it and don't realize the water around you is heating up to the point where its boiling you alive. I can't imagine having to think about my safety when doing something as simple as getting gas or groceries or picking up my kids, its completely unfathomable. People getting shot at random is NOT normal, kids getting lit up at school is NOT normal, needing to own a gun for protection or fearing murder by the cops is NOT normal. This whole situation in America is sick and perverted, I couldn't even finish this video because the resignation in these people's eyes and in your words is tragic. You are a very brave man to keep going under these circumstances, I hope your kids can live in a better America someday
Finally, a Vice debate that is an actual debate. Not just people yelling at eachother and immediately shutting others down.
I was very surprised. This seems like one of the more hot button subjects they’ve done and everyone on the panel was super level headed and had good points. Huge contrast to the feminist debate
@Hurricane if vice continues hosting debates that go like this one, I think they would be surprised at the growth they will see. Everything is so far right and left nowadays, we need some middle-ground options. Just give me the facts and how both sides see the issue without bickering so I can make up my mind on my own.
This is hardly a debate it's virtue signaling and once in a while a fairpoint
They made it look slightly less liberal.... slightly... Debating something already guaranteed to all citizens also is no debate...
Greaaaaat debate!
"What if someone comes to my house looking to murder me and my family with ar15s?" "Just leave" 🙄
Exactly, just abandon your right to life and property because you could potentially harm the people attempting to harm you
If they have ar15s and you have an ar15, nobody is getting out alive! So go on, defend your property, your tv and laptop…
@@miam1074 Your life your kids, believe it or not there is such a a thing as home invaders looking to harm the people who live in those homes instead of stealing their stuff so why shouldn't a person own a gun to defend their home because you find them icky?
@@miam1074 You sound like every other antigun person who knows nothing about firearms, just because both sides have an ar-15 doesn’t mean that both die…. Countless factors are obviously at play that determine the outcome. However I will pick whichever firearm is best suited to defend myself and my property because it’s worth protecting. So much information out there and still people choose ignorance.
I cant overstate my respect for the woman on the top left. That silent face, darting eyes as you soak up people's thoughts, twinging as someone unknowingly reveals that they are speaking from overconfident-ignorance in an area where you have expertise and experience, and then visibly processing the best way to retort as to highlight their misconceptions bluntly without demeaning them and guiding them to a more accurate thought process. I know the feeling and it's a lot of labor to take on.
LOL okay Dr. Phil
@@mexifry222 did what chamelon said offend you so much that you had to insult them?
In my opinion she was the best and held herself together along with the range officer the police officer was under to much pressure from the ones who attacked him he somewhat compromised to the point we’re he agreed with the anti-gun crowd , to many clowns and hypocrites who own guns in this interview but what do you expect from vice they lean more on the left side and are bias.
@@sasquatch440 yup
Ditto
I'm loving all these debates. We need more of these conversations.
@Chris Kelver I'm for not infringing on any of them, but the first and second is definitely a good start. Without those two we don't really have any at all if we're honest.
@Chris Kelver 2nd amendment is based on a WELL REGULATED MILITIA
@@cowmath77 people that don't know America's violent history and how guns played a part in it, shouldn't be so quick to discard the bang bang tool.
Absolutely! Its healthy dialog
Yet you will still always have the brainwashed tatetards in the comments crying about Vice's bias, like I'm sorry you aren't used to have a two-sided conversation 🤣
I've never heard a pro gun argument that sounded even slightly racist. If anything I've seen pro gun people point out certain anti gun measures as being racist. For example banning handguns that don't weigh much bc of the stereotype of black people carrying them in their pants with no holster.
That lady didn't even elaborate on her ridiculous claim.
Also the first gun laws were made to keep black people from owning them. Hmmmmm
For those who want gun control in America.
Do you honestly believe that criminals will follow those laws?
Exactly. Let’s restrict guns. Like criminals will definitely follow the law. When you could have had an equal footing against an enemy gun, now you will have a gun pointed at you while you have nothing. Marvelous.
No one is saying that no criminal will have guns… drugs are illegal and people have them, choking someone to death is illegal but it still happens… criminals are going to find ways to do things illegally not matter what. However… gun control is not gun banning… stricter rules for certain types of guns, licensing guns (everyone is okay for having registered plates for their cars), age requirements, mental health checks…
Actually there is a background check and if you ever been on psychiatric hold you can not purchase a firearm without an appeal process and before that process can start they have to wait 5 years and it’s a slippery slope when dealing with rights it’s hard to catch everyone with problems cause then you’re taking away rights from certain people that may still be responsible enough to own a weapon to protect themselves.
@@skulluxe1541You do understand that the restrictions on "certain types" of guns will be abused in bad faith by the politicians right? When people say "we only want to ban semi auto firearms" that includes the handguns that people use for self defense and before you say "use a revolver" as an instructor I've had to watch people struggle to get through carry permit certifications with them so much I don't recommend them as a viable option for self defense
We have had age restrictions since 1938 other states have raised the purchase age to 21 (hasn't done anything other than leave 18-20 year olds defenseless), we've had background checks for 30 years gun owners have compromised time and again in good faith then the authorities fail to utilize the laws we gave them so the politicians come back wanting more. that's why we have adopted a hard line stance because we see the game the politicians are playing they pass a law, selectively enforce it, gun violence continues then they demand more laws and bans with the ultimate goal of banning everything.
If that's how you want to live you can move somewhere that has laws like that enjoy the stabbings, acid attacks and getting jailed for criticizing the government.
Do you not understand how there’s different levels of criminal?
The universal background check thing always gets me goin 😂 I’ve never bought a gun without doing a background check they are just bullshitting lmaoooo
Yeah it’s always a fun topic when someone who has never bought a gun says “uNiVeRsAl BaCkGrOuNd ChEcKs”🤪
The truth is that there are a few glaring weak spots in the US’s current ability to complete “universal” background checks in a timely efficient manner.
@@SloppyMaracas yeah that’s false bro
@@papabigballs3288 I’m using using research and citations and you’ve got “yeah no”
@@SloppyMaracas yeah and you’re saying “a few glaring weak spots”. Real scientific of you bro. I’m not gonna waste my time talking to a wall on why they won’t work. Lady in the video hits it spot on ya dummy.
This needs to be a national conversation. Good job. Difference in opinion can be triggering. Kudos to the panel for being able to still listen to each other.
its been in the national dialogue for 4 decades..wtf are you on about
@Bryson Hall you are literally saying " we're not talking about violating this right, we're talking about violating that one so it's fine." Ridiculous on its face, and you said it with your chest. Way to go
@Bryson Hall precisely why red flag laws are risky, thanks for pointing that out. See all we have to do is be labeled "extreme" by someone who thinks we aren't allowed to have opinions different than their own. Authoritarians always expose themselves if you pay attention.
@@brysonhall3905shall not be infringed
@@brysonhall3905 I dont offer thoughts and prayers to anyone. Anyone who has mental health issues and is unstable will find a way to hurt as many people as possible. That doesnt mean you start solving the issue by stepping on peoples rights.
A gun is absolutely a known deterrent.
The 30-06 I was unfortunately forced to brandish, 100% deterred a very determined criminal and his friends from further approaching me at 17 home alone. In the country. Took 40 minutes for the sheriffs to show up. That’s just how it is where I’m from. We all know and acknowledge the very REAL fact we are hard to respond to quickly.
All I'm hearing from a lot of these people is "I'm afraid of this object and so you should be restricted so I can feel safer."
facts
Yup
As European this mentality approach frightens me
I was expecting the host to continue the questions
"Keep your hand up if you own a Bazooka"
People sometimes forget about a group of individuals attacking you. They don't consider how that gun is an equalizer. I've had to deal with these situations.
And yet without a gun you survived those situations and are also not in jail for shooting people. So your experience kind of kills your point.
Escalation in a group with a lethal weapon is a possibility of a mass shooting.
@JetFighters you assumed I didn't have a gun. Actually, I would be dead today if I had not been armed in multiple situations. I was even lucky that my friend driving was armed in one incident. The only time I wasn't armed. I was nearly abducted at the age of 20 and told myself i would not make that mistake again. I even live in a considerably safer city now and have still had to pull my gun to stop an attack. You don't necessarily have to shoot to defuse acts of violence.
Burglaries with more than one intruder are actually statistically more common than lone attacks
@@JetFighters”MUH MASS SHOOTING” doesn’t matter if it is multiple burglars trying to assault me and my family
You would not go to jail for defending your own life. Multiple attackers is automatically a deadly force scenario.
Also, Joey handled the police feedback better than most cops I have seen. He gives the energy that he isnt one to support or backup those bad apples so its nice to see an officer allow each of them to finish their statements about their concern with the police.
Na he completely shut down and simmered inside lol.
Joeys a bastard you can tell he’s done horrible things as an officer
@@TristanMurcia Just say you're biased, you hate cops and move on.
@@TristanMurcia In the UK, a lot of guns became illegal, not all of them. All that happened was gang members and farmers became the only gun owners mostly. Then Rambo knives, switchblades, machetes, zombie killers, samurai swords etc. exploded. Take away guns, blades take over; then when guns are used, Armed police are deployed which takes even longer
@@cnreidyThe UK had virtually no gun crime.
The same people that say arm the schools would not want the government to spend resources to secure the school
Honestly I just moved down south and it’s so easy to get a gun here I couldn’t believe it. I used to live in NY and it’s honestly so restrictive and difficult to obtain one and shootings still happened. Imo, I’d rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it
“Run out of the house.” My way of thinking is, you don’t know what’s outside the house. Run away from danger, to possibly run into more danger. This is why he needs training. I am an armed security guard as well, we are trained to control the situation, not run from it.
Right they could have some boys keeping lookout smh that guy is traumatized
Just imagine a mother and her child trying to outrun somebody with a rifle. I don't think she would have much chances.
I agree. She has children and for all he knows, she could live in a tenth story apartment!
What if you are too old to run ? Oh right these people think you should just get killed
@@lormaeris it already happen multiple times and they get gunned down
Honestly thought it was gonna be like the others videos. The debate was very good everyone got their points across without a lot of talking over each other. The moderator was very good at moving things on and asking good questions. Great video.
@Chris Kelver Dude, why are you spamming this om every comment? And when has the 1st amendment been infringed upon?
Doing rigorous background checks on gun owners isn't infringement either.
@@casperchristensen6451 any laws prohibiting a right is infringement.
@Gavin Damron But you are still able to say anything. You might be banned from certain esocial media, but that has zero to do with the first amendment.
Obviously actors reading from a script
We obviously common sense voting and Free Speech regulations, too.
Voter IDs, limit protests to one a year, etc
This 'debate', and I use that term loosely, was so detached from reality it was scary. The ideas that a majority of them could agree with would be impossible to put into practice or even if they were implemented today, wouldn't show any results in decades and even then would probably fail.
As someone from the UK seeing this protectivness and sovereignty Americans hold for their guns is so strange and interesting to me. How is owning a gun considered a right??
The guy with the fro literally is dead wrong about everything
I'm left leaning af and pretty in the middle about guns, but the dude saying jump out the window if intruders break in is INSANE. This is my home. I will defend myself and my family. Period.
yes❤
There's a difference between having a firearm that's strictly kept for the purpose of protecting your home and walking/driving around armed everywhere you go, which is what a lot of gun advocates do. At the same time statistically there's a far greater likelihood of you dying in a car crash than ever encountering violent intruders in your home. If gun advocates cared so much about protecting the lives of themselves and their families then they wouldn't drive. It's all just a massive cope for insecure ego-enslaved men who use guns to compensate for their testosterone deficiencies. That's why they don't have this problem in Europe because people aren't fkin lunatics.
That guys wild but I think sometimes people let their ego get in that way. If you have to stand your ground, then stand your ground. But if the opportunity for you are your loved ones to flee you should do it. Can’t protect your family if you get downed needlessly put yourself in to a close contact situation when you could’ve gotten out and secured your family that way. Most people that own guns but don’t train (highly recommend taking courses) and can just put themselves at more risk.
Didn't he get shot? So obviously running didn't work for his delusional @$5
@@jacobjankowski Every victim should do whatever increases their (and their family's) odds of survival the most, be that running, hiding, or fighting. You have no way to know whether fleeing is just what the assailant has taken into consideration, and now you've run headfirst into two of his buddies outside.
Bottom line is if some one wants to hurt you, or a loved one, it’s YOUR responsibility to stop them.
You can cry all you want, but reality is reality. You either will have the tools to stop them or you won’t. The choice is yours.
"Who you trying to defend yourself from with an ar15?" Simple answer. Anyone trying to break into my home to hurt my family. What a fruitcake.
What a terrifying concept. Wanting to ask the government to get rid of everyone's fears...
So for its ok to own a gun any person in america? Because of the 2nd amendment?
@@carloconopio6513 It's in Our American Constitution. Deal with it or forgo your delusions.
@@carloconopio6513 yes. Because of basic human rights.
@@carloconopio6513 You must be an authoritarian.
@@grimtooth2336 Did it occur to you that the guy might be asking a question?
TH-cam is open to more just America however, the Second amendment is a uniquely American law.
If someone asks a question try educating without condescending.
There are hundreds of pro 2A content creators on TH-cam alone.
Not to mention the fact that many of them are very well educated on statistics on law.
You would think if vice wanted an "honest" debate, they could've found at least one of them ?
The last thing Vice wants is honesty. They don’t get the same engagement if they aren’t manipulating and scaring people.
Careful ask to many questions and vice will turn off the comments