The absolute proof that you really DON'T need state of the art CGI to make something dramatic and exciting, it's about pace, writing and direction.... awesome.
@@GodKitty677That was not state of the art at that time, it was bargain-basement CGI which is all the show could afford. Compare it to Independence Day which was made at the same time with a huge budget.
A fitting battle. Centauri are a fading power in the galaxy while Humans are the rising up-and-comers. A single warship can only do so much against combined tactics of fighters with additional batteries and point defense weapons.
I always wondered WHY the Centauri Cruiser decided to open fire on the only outpost of a known militaristic race. They had to know that Babylon 5 would be well defended AND considered a neutral "harbor". That neutrality alone should have been obeyed. They could easily have followed the Narn into slipspace by using fighters.
Overconfidence and arrogance. The Centauri were drunk on their victory over the Narn and thought they could take on everyone. It's very similar to how the humans reacted after the Dilgar war.
@@JH24821 they also may have had ""assurances"" from earth central that they could take any narn ship they wanted where they wanted since earth was --under the shadow clark government--effectively an ally to them and would stay out of the way. they didnt expect sheridan to actually fight back
Arrogance and overconfidence are the main reason that Centauri captain opened fire. He didn't think that the station would fire back and that its weapons systems had been upgraded a few months prior. Of course he also didn't think that if he did destroy the station he would start dozens of new wars including a war with the Minbari. Minbari who would certainly quickly pounded the Centauri into the floor and if Morden's "associates" tried to help the Centauri the Minbari would declare them Shadow minions and burn there worlds to glass with there most feared weapon the antimatter converter.
@@chrisdufresne9359 its a energy weapon that turns matter in and around the path of the beam into antimatter. All Minbari Sharlin-class war cruisers carry one and there is a rare variant the Sharlan that is entirely armed with these weapons.
This whole situation is based off of normal neutral status ports procedures. When two adversaries enter a neutral port, they aren't allowed to fight otherwise the locals may punish them. When one of the ships decides to leave, the other may not depart until a minimum 24hrs later. When the Centauri powered up to attack, within the control zone of a diplomatic station, they declared themselves renegade. This battle is less about the rising power of Humanity or the fading status of the Centauri, than it is about the growing disregard of diplomatic and legal norms by the Centauri Republic. Acts such as this will only drive the galactic isolation of the Centauri. The closest comparable act I can think of is PRC diplomatic staff grabbing protesters off the street and dragging them within their compound in order to beat the crap out of. An equally unacceptable act by any state claiming the status of a civillised nation.
Tbh, even that doesn't come close to what the Centauri did here. This was more like getting upset about a small impropriety in humanitarian aid and so trying to drop a tactical nuke on the UN with your own ambassadors still inside. This is about as unhinged as North Korea tries to pretend it is to scare people.
The thing is Centauri warships are very much glass cannons between ion cannons, plasma accelerators, gravitic torpedoes and lasers they can dish out a massive amount of firepower but cannot sustain even a small fraction of it in return - to the point that a single squadron of starfuries firing at the more common Vorchan-class cruiser will tear it apart in seconds - due to both the fact that Centauri doctrine favours speed and agility and a weakness shared by all ships with a gravity based propulsion system in that the wings/fins where the drive field projectors are have very limited to no armour. The result is damage there can quickly lead to the loss of the ship even Minbari ships have this weakness.
Actually the Minbari don’t. They have Polycrystalline Alloy Armour plating for their ships which offers pretty decent protection against Energy Weapons.
Even after earth gets gravitic drives they still retain the doctrine of lots of thick heavy armor and loads of guns. In the books they actually revamped the old Nova class with the new engine system because now they had artificial gravity which allowed the Nova to be basically the fleet flagship due to its size and firepower, supported by Warlocks and Omegas, and escorted by the Hyperions and older Olympus class ships.
@raymondcarter1137 they did experiment with dhadow tech but no, it was all Minbari/Human/Vorlon tech, though the Warlocks did have a shadow device onboard that Ivanova has disabled when she commands one of them.
The Primus is an older ship but its firepower is still incredible. It aimed 50% of its weapons on Babylon 5 yet in the end the interceptors were still getting overwhelmed. Imagine the damage several Primus could do in a fleet battle. They stay in the back hitting the big ships while packs of Vorchans and Sentri fighters swarm the enemy.
@@nunya3163 Very true. No good captain would expose their ship and crew in this manner. It shows the Centauri were full of arrogance after their victory over the Narn. It's similar in a sense to how the humans reacted after their victory over the Dilgar.
@JH24821 yea but Humanity learned. Hence the Omega and Warlock Warships, phasing out of the old Olympus and Nova classes of ship, and more advanced craft.
@@Darqshadow Humanity certainly did. They managed to let go of their arrogance and become more advanced. Most of the other races seem to have grown as well. The Minbari with their new Grey Council, the Centauri rebuilding under Vir Cotto's leadership, etc.
"I apologize. I'm…sorry. I'm sorry we had to defend ourselves against an unwarranted attack. I'm sorry that your crew was stupid enough to fire on a station filled with a quarter million civilians, including your own people. And I'm sorry I waited as long as I did before I blew them all straight to hell! As with everything else, it's the thought that counts." -Captain Sheridan
John Sheridan also believed that any problem could be solved with the strategic application of lots of nukes...including the problem of an alien race that gave the combined power of the First Ones trouble :P LOL
She took beating after beating after beating. But Babylon 5 always stood. A symbol of hope for humanity and her allies. I truly hope that one day human kind can figure our shit out, get to a point we better ourselves instead of belittle, one another..
One thing this really shows is the fragility of the Primus-class battlecruiser. Even the guns of the *Starfuries* are puncturing her armor and causing noticeable atmospheric blowouts.
Depends on military doctrine. Some are heavily focused on offense and care less for defese, like the Centauri. The Minbari do have interceptors, but it comes in the form of small anti-matter beams that can intercept enemy fire.
Astonishing (though not in hindsight) that the Earth Alliance didn't recall their ambassador to Centauri Prime or worse. They just fired unprovoked on a civilian station.
@@FurdemonLar I dont want to insult because I enjoyed the clip, but having the dialog start and then end abruptly was distracting. I'd rather you left it in. Take it as you will. Like I said, I enjoyed it
@@ravenmoon5111 I have to agree, the cuts seem a bit too abrupt. I guess the live action (actors) were interspersed a bit too closely to make smoother transitions with only CGI.
Just the CGI makes it seem disjointed, with the half sentences tossed in. A great job nevertheless, for a series that deserves all the coverage it can get. I hope the reboot can prove it's worthy.
A reboot will suck. They will try and put a lot of current stupid things not required for diversity and other such shit taking away from what was one of the best sci-fi universes which already had some complex characters and story arcs.
As others have said, a reboot would be a disaster. The culture is too infested with woke ideology that the show would be gutted in service to it. Rather, a remaster would be ideal. Modern CGI would bring the series to life again without destroying what made it great in the first place.
RED TEAM, THE NARN BATTLESHIP IS TAURUS (P.MACHINERY),BATTLESHIP. IS HERE ON THE STAR AVAILABLE,AND EASY TO RIDE. NO SECURITY LEVEL ENTRANCE. TAKE IT,WEAPONS INCLUDED AND INSIDE AS WELL. ROGUE VENOM.
Because that only works against those ships that don't have Jump Drives. The Narn cruiser and the Centauri battle cruiser both have jump drives so the blockade is a bit moot.
@@danielseelye6005 Sorry, I did not see the reply. However, the Narn cruiser took the Jumpgate, so I assumed its own was not working or did not have one. Also, if they were willing to attack the station, I presume most jump drives are for the military only, so the added bonus is starving the station while out of range of their guns.
The Narns were so useless in B5. Constantly needing rescue because they were helpless babies. The only time they did anything for themselves it was a sneak-attack on a defenseless planet. They should have just stayed home on Narnia.
They were all bark no bite. They drove the Centauri off their homeworld through a war of attrition, their advantage to their growth was because the Centauri emperor was liberalising his people, Sheridan said he was generous to the Narn, only ever made concessions and the Centauri fell back. It should be noted, the Narn conquered remote colonies of other races yet they fell hard to the Dilgar and the Gaim, the latter of which they tried to take their homeworld. While the Shadows intervened three times in the Narn Centuari war, it was shown the the Centauri won most campaigns and offensives without Shadow intervention because the Narn were just a paper tiger, G'kars uncle admitted they were facing defeat in mere months and his attack on Gorash VII was but a stalling tactic in the hopes they'd form alliances (they had none thanks to attacking other races), building more ships and troops. On the Centauri side, they looked weak but they were a sleeping giant, they beat back the Interstellar Alliance with robot ships and took a few blows under Drakh rule but the Centuari were shown to be strong enough to attack the Earth take on Earthforce in The Lost Tales.
You need to keep in mind their CGI was initially done on Amiga computers in 1991-1994, at at time where state of the art CGI cost tens of millions and took months to do for movies like Toy Story. Yes they could do fantastic CGI shots now in 4K but why? Who would buy the series? how would WB make money on it? Redoing CGI for Star Trek TNG 4K cost millions, apparently the sales were very lackluster and this cause Paramount to abandon any future 4K upscaling and refreshes of all the other ST franchise series like DS9, Voy, Ent.
And the sheer fucking hubris of them to demand that I apologize to them for fucking around and finding out .ooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
![Space Battle [Babylon 5: An Ancient Ally]](/img/n.gif)
Diplomat: You just destroyed a Centauri heavy cruiser!
Sheridan: Damn straight. And if I hadn't, you and I wouldnt be having this conversation.
The absolute proof that you really DON'T need state of the art CGI to make something dramatic and exciting, it's about pace, writing and direction.... awesome.
I was state of the art at the time. Now like you state it gets the job done and doesnt look state of the art.
A bunch of networked Amigas doesn't sound like much but this was much more than anybody else was doing at the time.
@@recoil53 Add to small amount of RAM a single Amiga has.
@@GodKitty677That was not state of the art at that time, it was bargain-basement CGI which is all the show could afford. Compare it to Independence Day which was made at the same time with a huge budget.
Generally I find, better the CGI, the worse the story is.
1:19
Sheridan: Launch everything we've got! Time on target!
Ivanova: Time on target, aye! Hold on...
The graphics were ahead of their time then. Best sci-fi series ever... that one and DS9
A fitting battle. Centauri are a fading power in the galaxy while Humans are the rising up-and-comers. A single warship can only do so much against combined tactics of fighters with additional batteries and point defense weapons.
Those interceptors are always impressive
I always wondered WHY the Centauri Cruiser decided to open fire on the only outpost of a known militaristic race. They had to know that Babylon 5 would be well defended AND considered a neutral "harbor". That neutrality alone should have been obeyed. They could easily have followed the Narn into slipspace by using fighters.
Overconfidence and arrogance. The Centauri were drunk on their victory over the Narn and thought they could take on everyone. It's very similar to how the humans reacted after the Dilgar war.
@@JH24821 they also may have had ""assurances"" from earth central that they could take any narn ship they wanted where they wanted since earth was --under the shadow clark government--effectively an ally to them and would stay out of the way. they didnt expect sheridan to actually fight back
Arrogance and overconfidence are the main reason that Centauri captain opened fire. He didn't think that the station would fire back and that its weapons systems had been upgraded a few months prior. Of course he also didn't think that if he did destroy the station he would start dozens of new wars including a war with the Minbari. Minbari who would certainly quickly pounded the Centauri into the floor and if Morden's "associates" tried to help the Centauri the Minbari would declare them Shadow minions and burn there worlds to glass with there most feared weapon the antimatter converter.
@@AndrewJamesWilliams I'm sorry, the WHAT?!
@@chrisdufresne9359 its a energy weapon that turns matter in and around the path of the beam into antimatter. All Minbari Sharlin-class war cruisers carry one and there is a rare variant the Sharlan that is entirely armed with these weapons.
To the captain of that Primus Cruiser... give the crew of the Black Star Sheridan's regards
Respeck,I'll drink to that.
The Centauri were drunk with power at that point. How can you mess up a situation like that?
The Centauri ships have glass jaws , nice fireworks
This whole situation is based off of normal neutral status ports procedures. When two adversaries enter a neutral port, they aren't allowed to fight otherwise the locals may punish them. When one of the ships decides to leave, the other may not depart until a minimum 24hrs later. When the Centauri powered up to attack, within the control zone of a diplomatic station, they declared themselves renegade.
This battle is less about the rising power of Humanity or the fading status of the Centauri, than it is about the growing disregard of diplomatic and legal norms by the Centauri Republic. Acts such as this will only drive the galactic isolation of the Centauri. The closest comparable act I can think of is PRC diplomatic staff grabbing protesters off the street and dragging them within their compound in order to beat the crap out of. An equally unacceptable act by any state claiming the status of a civillised nation.
Tbh, even that doesn't come close to what the Centauri did here.
This was more like getting upset about a small impropriety in humanitarian aid and so trying to drop a tactical nuke on the UN with your own ambassadors still inside.
This is about as unhinged as North Korea tries to pretend it is to scare people.
@@dynamicworlds1 Except while NK is pretending the Centauri outright jumped up and did it, and got smacked in the face for it.
The thing is Centauri warships are very much glass cannons between ion cannons, plasma accelerators, gravitic torpedoes and lasers they can dish out a massive amount of firepower but cannot sustain even a small fraction of it in return - to the point that a single squadron of starfuries firing at the more common Vorchan-class cruiser will tear it apart in seconds - due to both the fact that Centauri doctrine favours speed and agility and a weakness shared by all ships with a gravity based propulsion system in that the wings/fins where the drive field projectors are have very limited to no armour. The result is damage there can quickly lead to the loss of the ship even Minbari ships have this weakness.
Actually the Minbari don’t. They have Polycrystalline Alloy Armour plating for their ships which offers pretty decent protection against Energy Weapons.
Not neccessarily! Other races, including the Vree used this propulsion at it doesn't have to be exposed fins (Vree-Saucers do not have these!)
Even after earth gets gravitic drives they still retain the doctrine of lots of thick heavy armor and loads of guns. In the books they actually revamped the old Nova class with the new engine system because now they had artificial gravity which allowed the Nova to be basically the fleet flagship due to its size and firepower, supported by Warlocks and Omegas, and escorted by the Hyperions and older Olympus class ships.
@@Darqshadow are those shadow/human hybrid technologies?
I saw some human ships with crab things in them.
@raymondcarter1137 they did experiment with dhadow tech but no, it was all Minbari/Human/Vorlon tech, though the Warlocks did have a shadow device onboard that Ivanova has disabled when she commands one of them.
b5 where the weapons actually felt like they did damage
The Primus is an older ship but its firepower is still incredible. It aimed 50% of its weapons on Babylon 5 yet in the end the interceptors were still getting overwhelmed. Imagine the damage several Primus could do in a fleet battle. They stay in the back hitting the big ships while packs of Vorchans and Sentri fighters swarm the enemy.
Bit of a glass cannon, and ill suited for a solo mission such as this.
@@nunya3163 Very true. No good captain would expose their ship and crew in this manner. It shows the Centauri were full of arrogance after their victory over the Narn. It's similar in a sense to how the humans reacted after their victory over the Dilgar.
@JH24821 yea but Humanity learned. Hence the Omega and Warlock Warships, phasing out of the old Olympus and Nova classes of ship, and more advanced craft.
@@Darqshadow Humanity certainly did. They managed to let go of their arrogance and become more advanced. Most of the other races seem to have grown as well. The Minbari with their new Grey Council, the Centauri rebuilding under Vir Cotto's leadership, etc.
"I apologize. I'm…sorry. I'm sorry we had to defend ourselves against an unwarranted attack. I'm sorry that your crew was stupid enough to fire on a station filled with a quarter million civilians, including your own people. And I'm sorry I waited as long as I did before I blew them all straight to hell! As with everything else, it's the thought that counts." -Captain Sheridan
😂
John Sheridan also believed that any problem could be solved with the strategic application of lots of nukes...including the problem of an alien race that gave the combined power of the First Ones trouble :P LOL
She took beating after beating after beating. But Babylon 5 always stood. A symbol of hope for humanity and her allies. I truly hope that one day human kind can figure our shit out, get to a point we better ourselves instead of belittle, one another..
One thing this really shows is the fragility of the Primus-class battlecruiser. Even the guns of the *Starfuries* are puncturing her armor and causing noticeable atmospheric blowouts.
Why do none of the other races seem to have interceptors?
Depends on military doctrine. Some are heavily focused on offense and care less for defese, like the Centauri. The Minbari do have interceptors, but it comes in the form of small anti-matter beams that can intercept enemy fire.
Astonishing (though not in hindsight) that the Earth Alliance didn't recall their ambassador to Centauri Prime or worse. They just fired unprovoked on a civilian station.
I wish you'd left the dialog. The edit made it feel rather clumsy but still, thanks for posting it
Nothing clumsy about it. It's the CGI extracted in order (as mentioned in description). No live action. Only the dialog included with the CGI.
@@FurdemonLar
I dont want to insult because I enjoyed the clip, but having the dialog start and then end abruptly was distracting. I'd rather you left it in.
Take it as you will. Like I said, I enjoyed it
@@ravenmoon5111 I have to agree, the cuts seem a bit too abrupt. I guess the live action (actors) were interspersed a bit too closely to make smoother transitions with only CGI.
@@FurdemonLar
Even just cutting the audio from the live action scenes and letting it play over the CG scenes would’ve done wonders
That Centauri Primus cruiser is a scary ship!!
It looks like a stingray!
@@PCCphoenixjust like Asgard ship from Stargate
Just the CGI makes it seem disjointed, with the half sentences tossed in. A great job nevertheless, for a series that deserves all the coverage it can get. I hope the reboot can prove it's worthy.
A reboot will suck. They will try and put a lot of current stupid things not required for diversity and other such shit taking away from what was one of the best sci-fi universes which already had some complex characters and story arcs.
My concern is that I don’t think the reboot will be able to create the same chemistry among the actors like the original, but time will tell.
I think a reboot will be unnecessary. Everyone already knows the story. I'd rather they made a follow up series instead.
No reboot. It will be woke and destroy the Legacy.
As others have said, a reboot would be a disaster. The culture is too infested with woke ideology that the show would be gutted in service to it. Rather, a remaster would be ideal. Modern CGI would bring the series to life again without destroying what made it great in the first place.
we need a mod or something for babylon 5 in pioneer space sim
RED TEAM,
THE NARN BATTLESHIP IS TAURUS (P.MACHINERY),BATTLESHIP.
IS HERE ON THE STAR AVAILABLE,AND EASY TO RIDE.
NO SECURITY LEVEL ENTRANCE.
TAKE IT,WEAPONS INCLUDED AND INSIDE AS WELL.
ROGUE VENOM.
What episode is this?
It's in the description.
was that was bad tactics, why not just blockade the hyperspace portal?
Because that only works against those ships that don't have Jump Drives. The Narn cruiser and the Centauri battle cruiser both have jump drives so the blockade is a bit moot.
@@danielseelye6005 Sorry, I did not see the reply. However, the Narn cruiser took the Jumpgate, so I assumed its own was not working or did not have one. Also, if they were willing to attack the station, I presume most jump drives are for the military only, so the added bonus is starving the station while out of range of their guns.
They couldn't risk someone coming in from the portal and smacking into them.
I find it hard to believe that few fighters flying From far away easily overpowered Centauri
The Centauri ship was mainly damaged by the station's defence grid, the Starfuries did probably superficial damage but it helped.
Glass cannon. Cannons of a dreadnaught, and the armor of a tug.
@@bobbinsgaming3028 Correct, Sheridan ordered "Time on target": All weapons hiting the Centauri ship simultaneously.
The Narns were so useless in B5. Constantly needing rescue because they were helpless babies. The only time they did anything for themselves it was a sneak-attack on a defenseless planet. They should have just stayed home on Narnia.
To be fair, they were fighting against an enemy they'd beaten once before. This time, however, said enemy had an Elder race backing them.
They were all bark no bite. They drove the Centauri off their homeworld through a war of attrition, their advantage to their growth was because the Centauri emperor was liberalising his people, Sheridan said he was generous to the Narn, only ever made concessions and the Centauri fell back. It should be noted, the Narn conquered remote colonies of other races yet they fell hard to the Dilgar and the Gaim, the latter of which they tried to take their homeworld. While the Shadows intervened three times in the Narn Centuari war, it was shown the the Centauri won most campaigns and offensives without Shadow intervention because the Narn were just a paper tiger, G'kars uncle admitted they were facing defeat in mere months and his attack on Gorash VII was but a stalling tactic in the hopes they'd form alliances (they had none thanks to attacking other races), building more ships and troops.
On the Centauri side, they looked weak but they were a sleeping giant, they beat back the Interstellar Alliance with robot ships and took a few blows under Drakh rule but the Centuari were shown to be strong enough to attack the Earth take on Earthforce in The Lost Tales.
Please Disney stay away from Babylon five you done ruined star wars and few other franchise
This show totally needs a re-do. Keep all of the live shots, just 100% rebuild the CG. It's so fucking bad!
You need to keep in mind their CGI was initially done on Amiga computers in 1991-1994, at at time where state of the art CGI cost tens of millions and took months to do for movies like Toy Story.
Yes they could do fantastic CGI shots now in 4K but why? Who would buy the series? how would WB make money on it?
Redoing CGI for Star Trek TNG 4K cost millions, apparently the sales were very lackluster and this cause Paramount to abandon any future 4K upscaling and refreshes of all the other ST franchise series like DS9, Voy, Ent.
And the sheer fucking hubris of them to demand that I apologize to them for fucking around and finding out .ooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.