I agree with you regarding the loot currency. Currently, we have this system for the BRD Timewalking Raid. However, I also see why Blizzard didn’t apply it to the main raid, as well as the currency grind with valor and crests. Let’s not forget that WoW is a subscription first and foremost to them. The luck factor and the valor/crest grind add padding and the need to raid weekly. This is why there is a weekly cooldown, too. They need to keep players raiding for the sake of alts and also for the sake of the game and their revenue. I’m not saying I agree with their practices, but it is what we signed up for when we chose a subscription game.
@@msatrano I agree, we are in a game with a monthly subscription. But it won't change anything if I'll have some kind of progress towards 1 item I can guarantee in X amount of time. As a matter of fact, it will keep my subscription active cause I want to work towards getting the specific item
I believe we all think like that, but few actually act on it. When it comes down to it, most people get bored once they reach their goals and move on to another game, which is perfectly fine. However, Blizzard wants to maximize their revenue. Again, I’m 100% with you on this, but I just don’t see it happening. Looking back, we used to have badges for raid content too, but they were removed as well.
Ultra rare items are a problem especially when most specs are needing them for BiS Personally I'd like a system like in fated/awakened where we can buy a limited number of chase items so we have some protection from bad luck in general. The system can literally work the same as in the season 4 modes where you get x currency for doing that raid. I would also like crest catch up. So when I'm behind multiple weeks on my alt I gain additional, potentially at a 1 and half or double rate. Would also love if after capping for the week on say gilded your alts also gained them at a faster rate, would allow me to play more alts and not have to put the same time sink into capping them.
You don’t need them though. Rare necks are realistically no better than a M+ neck. The only reason this neck is BiS is because it’s the highest haste neck in the game for specs that want Haste (like unholy)
I mean realistically no you don't need any item right. But stuff like the Ansurek ring are insanely strong after raiding since the start we have seen two as a guild drop naturally on average for my guild based off our WoW Audit these are still 10k for a lot of people on heroic and on mythic around 20k. This kind of value compared to what all other rings can give even at 639 for most people is insanely frustrating. The cape from Rash is also incredibly strong with the increased healing proc which makes it very valuable on progress and was another item pretty much most people wanted, having that proc be around every 90 seconds on fights like Ovinax and Kyv was super handy. As for the neck currently the value isn't as strong as the start of the tier but was a very good neck for most but it tends to drop later on in value because people substitute gear based off what they can get. I know with us getting ready to start Ansurek Mythic on Wednesday I would have liked to have had more access to these items. Hope you're enjoying playing though mate!
@ I think WoW is in a really good place right now, but Blizzard needs to figure out when something is fun because it’s BETTER and not just because it’s a time limited exception
Griding out a Raid Currency and/or Mythic Currency to purchase the specific items we are looking to get would be so much better. This total RNG system is insane. I've been trying for the tank trinket off E.D.N.A. since launch and only have had it drop once in a companion dungeon run.
they like the crest system because it meets their main goal. money. make the players spend 5x the normal amount of time in game for upgrades and that means players keep their subs that much longer. you have to remember that wow isnt a game made for fun anymore. its only goal in the world is to make money for shareholders.
The fact that on my alt, and my main, I got the BiS necks and rings purely via the vault/weekly heroic TW is just comical. Like, I get it that it is considered super rare and really like icing on the cake, but it is just comical how it is entirely down to RNG. I do think we need to have some sort of deterministic gearing. Make it grindy, with the grind becoming less painful over time so that towards the end an alt could easily catch up. This, however, would mean people could also target specific items, especially if those items are massively powerful
@@michaelkovalsky4907 and what wrong with that? Let say that after 2-3 months you can get 1 bis item from the raid (depending on the difficulty). I find it more good than bad
I got lucky first two weeks of the season got necklace and cloak as a hpally main but then I got heroic and mythic gear now the farm starts again 626 and the grind for crest is too toxic in pugs
Main issue with loot is you can only get myth track from vault or raiding. Let 12+ drop myth track. And increase crest cap or remove it completely. The system is fine otherwise. It taking a while to get crests just prolongs gearing which in is dopamine highs constantly thrown at me. Most people quit playing their chat when they can't gear anymore. Don't make that happen faster.
@@jesperandersen8509 My suggestion wasnt immediate, It will take time to get the amount you need to buy. I don't understand how a currency that will let you buy 1 or 2 items in a season is faster. It will just give you something to work for In case you are unlucky and you didn't get some item for a long period of time
Come to terms there are some things you won't get but the grind of trying to get good RNG is what keeps people coming back and not quiting till the next season I spent almost an entire weekend running mist to get my BIS shield
The way you are thinking about it is the problem. Every piece of loot that goes to an active raid member makes the raid stronger. And makes it easier for everyone to gear. It is about the group more than the individual. If you dont like that, go find a different guild. Or go do some delves.
im sorry but you missed the point...the problem isnt if the guild mates get the loot. the problem is that there are some items that without luck you wont get them...
i think haveing currency witch your forced to farm the get your gear upgraded is a stupid idea removed the upgradeing of them or make it farmabel from something else then high m+ keys
U dont need to have mythic gear for anything But mythic raid/dungs - so it makes sense that u need to do that content if u Want The best gear, No?! Also if u dont have to upgrade gear ppl Will just stop playing there and then
@@simonlarsen6059 As always it isn't that easy. Did you think about the possibility that people need the gear to do the content? And the question is why are people so jealous if it comes to giving others access to gear? I mean lets be honest. In a few month you can throw the gear into a grabage can. I personally think the m+ system should be something like this: m4-6: hero gear in the vault. m6: gilded crests to enable people to get to 626 to be well fitted to do +7 and upwards. M7-9 hero gear in end of dungeoon chest. m8-9: should provide myth track gear in the weekly vault so that people can start equipping for +10 M10: myth track gear from end of dungeon chest (you no longer need the whole season to get full myth) M12: KSM, yes this is where you should get the mount. This would make it more exclusive and people have something to work towards. This menas you should get gear along the way. this should enable you to do better. And at the end there should be the achievement that you try to reach. This also means you have to go up to 12 to get everything not only 10, but it should feel like progress. At the moment I see a lot of people depleeding their way to myth track gear. Just take a look at raider io, there are plenty of people having myth track gear by just depleeding 10s. I don't think this feels rewarding for them.
@@simonlarsen6059 you have to do high mythic/heroic raiding to upgrade pvp gear too. And for someone like my pvp only fiance, that was enough to drive her away from playing.
@@x420ninjabearx8u dont get Any upgrade crests from arena?😏 i Think pvp Should be a stand alone thing all together tho, so i agree that sucks. U Can Also still do solo delves for crests. Im just not sure that is What really pushes ppl away, like be honest, if She had all The gear upgraded would She not just have quit The game anyway? I just feels like Its an excuse to quit for most ppl that complain about it.
Your video sounds much more like a personal problem. You state Alts have an issue with crests, however they get all the renown rewards (crests, keys, valorstones), they also gain access to gear via the Renown vendor the moment you get access to them. You still can go into dungeons and gain loot. You have a loot table for everything you can get. You have weeklies and daily quests, time walking, ATM, pvp... I mean, gear is the completely accessible this expansion. Currently have 10 80's at 610+
@@FactsOverFear it's not just a personal problem cause I know I a lot of payers who have the same problem. Of course it bothers me, I'm sorry but 610 is pretty low, I have 4 alts with 625+ ilvl. It was a grind to get there cause of the crests and I'm talking about it in my video. Imo alts should get double the crests, I want to spend my time doing higher content instead of spamming 8's At the end of the day, you don't have to agree with me, all good. I can understand your opinion.
@@MyBigBlaze Having different opinions is great, out of my 80's multiple are above 620 aswell. What I find interesting about these videos is that we are not even halfway through the season and people have multiple toons at approx 80% gear cap. Season 2 will not be out for 3-5 more months. If you dedicated the time you have dedicated to the alts to your main, you would be 630+. There are 635+ that walk around without 8/8 Mythic Nerub. Mythic Nerub World 1st happened 1 month ago. My point is that the crest system clearly works and sets a balance for all player types. Time in game will get you the gear you want.
@FactsOverFear we are past the mid season actually and season 2 will be out in 2-3 months max. Even tho crests are the secondary problem in the video, I don't see why alts won't get double the crests. The main problem for me is that there are some rare gear that without luck, I won't get. There is nothing wrong with a bad luck protection system that will let me buy specific item from the raid in X amount of time.
@@H1vey first, its an example. Second, it's a rule in a lot of guilds. Third, it doesn't matter if I'm in a guild or not, some items feel out of reach for the all season without any reason. Some currency to buy 1-2 items in a season will be a blessing and I'm sure you won't mind
Just some random ideas: Eliminate the Valorstone cap. Make Valorstones and crests warband bound. I don't raid or do mythic+ but I would still like to have a way to get gilded crests.
Whats the problem in having some rare items in a game? Its a mmorpg, thats normal. Epic items became usual. So thats the only way to have some rare itens in the game, it makes way more enjoyable when you get them.
@@angelinomoreira6502 there is no problem. The problem starts when you don't get it for a few months. I don't see a problem if I can buy 1 specific item that I want after X amount of time. Items meant to be use
Bro your guild raid loot rules are your problem And the crests just like gear your get the best from the harder content how it should be and if you just hand shit to alts what the point how blizzard keeps people around is having a grind to get the best of the best if it's handed out and people get geared in all bis quick they end up bored and quiting till the next season I do this also when I hit that wall of no more grind like my whole group and guild
Dude first of all: your guild loot distribution is your problem, not Blizzards. Second, equipping alts has never been easier. I have 4 alts 610+, 2 615+ and one almost 625. My main will hit 635 this week. We raid 2 times a week and i play every other night for like 2 to 3 hours. People crying all over the place "it's so hard to do X" and "Y is impossible for most players". Get your shit together and play the game like a normal person. No one is gonna give you shit for free. And yes, a system which would be a bit more deterministic would be nice, but this is what we got. +8 Dungeons for mythic crests are easily done with pugs and before you say: BuT nO oNe InViTeS mE, i've got the answer for you. Play your own damn key and build a group by yourself. I play as a BM Hunter which is clearly nowhere near meta and i still get invited. why? because i pushed my score manually and didnt expect the community to boost me. So for the love of god: Stop crying, pull your head out of your ass and play the game instead of crying like a little baby on youtube why big bad blizzard doesnt give you any loot.
@@AA-ku1ee dude, your comment is so out of place... Do you think I'm crying? It's a suggestion to make the game less of a gamble and more of a progress. Just because some is X, it doesn't mean it can't be Y someday, It called progress and improvement I have 4 alta with all of them are 625+, gearing is not the point. There are some items that you need pure luck to get and this is what I want to improve.
@@MyBigBlaze unfortunately yeah. I'd rather see a system like the threads but make it so you can reroll an item once a week. Cuz we all know there is straight trash loot, this gives someone a chance to reroll it into something useful.
I agree with you regarding the loot currency. Currently, we have this system for the BRD Timewalking Raid.
However, I also see why Blizzard didn’t apply it to the main raid, as well as the currency grind with valor and crests. Let’s not forget that WoW is a subscription first and foremost to them. The luck factor and the valor/crest grind add padding and the need to raid weekly. This is why there is a weekly cooldown, too. They need to keep players raiding for the sake of alts and also for the sake of the game and their revenue.
I’m not saying I agree with their practices, but it is what we signed up for when we chose a subscription game.
@@msatrano I agree, we are in a game with a monthly subscription.
But it won't change anything if I'll have some kind of progress towards 1 item I can guarantee in X amount of time.
As a matter of fact, it will keep my subscription active cause I want to work towards getting the specific item
I believe we all think like that, but few actually act on it. When it comes down to it, most people get bored once they reach their goals and move on to another game, which is perfectly fine. However, Blizzard wants to maximize their revenue.
Again, I’m 100% with you on this, but I just don’t see it happening.
Looking back, we used to have badges for raid content too, but they were removed as well.
Ultra rare items are a problem especially when most specs are needing them for BiS
Personally I'd like a system like in fated/awakened where we can buy a limited number of chase items so we have some protection from bad luck in general. The system can literally work the same as in the season 4 modes where you get x currency for doing that raid.
I would also like crest catch up. So when I'm behind multiple weeks on my alt I gain additional, potentially at a 1 and half or double rate. Would also love if after capping for the week on say gilded your alts also gained them at a faster rate, would allow me to play more alts and not have to put the same time sink into capping them.
You don’t need them though. Rare necks are realistically no better than a M+ neck. The only reason this neck is BiS is because it’s the highest haste neck in the game for specs that want Haste (like unholy)
I mean realistically no you don't need any item right. But stuff like the Ansurek ring are insanely strong after raiding since the start we have seen two as a guild drop naturally on average for my guild based off our WoW Audit these are still 10k for a lot of people on heroic and on mythic around 20k. This kind of value compared to what all other rings can give even at 639 for most people is insanely frustrating. The cape from Rash is also incredibly strong with the increased healing proc which makes it very valuable on progress and was another item pretty much most people wanted, having that proc be around every 90 seconds on fights like Ovinax and Kyv was super handy. As for the neck currently the value isn't as strong as the start of the tier but was a very good neck for most but it tends to drop later on in value because people substitute gear based off what they can get. I know with us getting ready to start Ansurek Mythic on Wednesday I would have liked to have had more access to these items.
Hope you're enjoying playing though mate!
I enjoy the way they do things in fated seasons. They should just do that all the time, but ofc adjusted slightly.
@@FlasKamel exactly...ofc they can't throw everything on us...like you said, adjust it to the level it's reasonable
@ I think WoW is in a really good place right now, but Blizzard needs to figure out when something is fun because it’s BETTER and not just because it’s a time limited exception
Griding out a Raid Currency and/or Mythic Currency to purchase the specific items we are looking to get would be so much better. This total RNG system is insane. I've been trying for the tank trinket off E.D.N.A. since launch and only have had it drop once in a companion dungeon run.
making game easier and ejoyable is not a blizzard thing
@@michaelpodlesny9227 You'd think after playing this game for nearly 20 years straight I'd have that figured out too...I never learn.
they like the crest system because it meets their main goal. money.
make the players spend 5x the normal amount of time in game for upgrades and that means players keep their subs that much longer.
you have to remember that wow isnt a game made for fun anymore. its only goal in the world is to make money for shareholders.
The fact that on my alt, and my main, I got the BiS necks and rings purely via the vault/weekly heroic TW is just comical. Like, I get it that it is considered super rare and really like icing on the cake, but it is just comical how it is entirely down to RNG. I do think we need to have some sort of deterministic gearing. Make it grindy, with the grind becoming less painful over time so that towards the end an alt could easily catch up. This, however, would mean people could also target specific items, especially if those items are massively powerful
@@michaelkovalsky4907 and what wrong with that?
Let say that after 2-3 months you can get 1 bis item from the raid (depending on the difficulty).
I find it more good than bad
I agree with you man
I got lucky first two weeks of the season got necklace and cloak as a hpally main but then I got heroic and mythic gear now the farm starts again 626 and the grind for crest is too toxic in pugs
Main issue with loot is you can only get myth track from vault or raiding. Let 12+ drop myth track. And increase crest cap or remove it completely. The system is fine otherwise. It taking a while to get crests just prolongs gearing which in is dopamine highs constantly thrown at me. Most people quit playing their chat when they can't gear anymore. Don't make that happen faster.
@@jesperandersen8509
My suggestion wasnt immediate,
It will take time to get the amount you need to buy.
I don't understand how a currency that will let you buy 1 or 2 items in a season is faster.
It will just give you something to work for In case you are unlucky and you didn't get some item for a long period of time
Come to terms there are some things you won't get but the grind of trying to get good RNG is what keeps people coming back and not quiting till the next season I spent almost an entire weekend running mist to get my BIS shield
The way you are thinking about it is the problem. Every piece of loot that goes to an active raid member makes the raid stronger. And makes it easier for everyone to gear. It is about the group more than the individual. If you dont like that, go find a different guild. Or go do some delves.
im sorry but you missed the point...the problem isnt if the guild mates get the loot.
the problem is that there are some items that without luck you wont get them...
i think haveing currency witch your forced to farm the get your gear upgraded is a stupid idea removed the upgradeing of them or make it farmabel from something else then high m+ keys
U dont need to have mythic gear for anything But mythic raid/dungs - so it makes sense that u need to do that content if u Want The best gear, No?! Also if u dont have to upgrade gear ppl Will just stop playing there and then
@@simonlarsen6059 As always it isn't that easy.
Did you think about the possibility that people need the gear to do the content?
And the question is why are people so jealous if it comes to giving others access to gear? I mean lets be honest. In a few month you can throw the gear into a grabage can.
I personally think the m+ system should be something like this:
m4-6: hero gear in the vault.
m6: gilded crests to enable people to get to 626 to be well fitted to do +7 and upwards.
M7-9 hero gear in end of dungeoon chest.
m8-9: should provide myth track gear in the weekly vault so that people can start equipping for +10
M10: myth track gear from end of dungeon chest (you no longer need the whole season to get full myth)
M12: KSM, yes this is where you should get the mount. This would make it more exclusive and people have something to work towards.
This menas you should get gear along the way. this should enable you to do better. And at the end there should be the achievement that you try to reach. This also means you have to go up to 12 to get everything not only 10, but it should feel like progress.
At the moment I see a lot of people depleeding their way to myth track gear. Just take a look at raider io, there are plenty of people having myth track gear by just depleeding 10s. I don't think this feels rewarding for them.
@@simonlarsen6059 you have to do high mythic/heroic raiding to upgrade pvp gear too. And for someone like my pvp only fiance, that was enough to drive her away from playing.
@@x420ninjabearx8u dont get Any upgrade crests from arena?😏 i Think pvp Should be a stand alone thing all together tho, so i agree that sucks. U Can Also still do solo delves for crests. Im just not sure that is What really pushes ppl away, like be honest, if She had all The gear upgraded would She not just have quit The game anyway? I just feels like Its an excuse to quit for most ppl that complain about it.
Raiding is for losers that need others to carry them. Try a challenging yourself with some real content, Delves
bloody tokens need to be warband transferable... they're basically useless on your main
Got the neck yesterday I'm soooo done with this lool
Your video sounds much more like a personal problem. You state Alts have an issue with crests, however they get all the renown rewards (crests, keys, valorstones), they also gain access to gear via the Renown vendor the moment you get access to them. You still can go into dungeons and gain loot. You have a loot table for everything you can get. You have weeklies and daily quests, time walking, ATM, pvp... I mean, gear is the completely accessible this expansion. Currently have 10 80's at 610+
@@FactsOverFear it's not just a personal problem cause I know I a lot of payers who have the same problem.
Of course it bothers me,
I'm sorry but 610 is pretty low,
I have 4 alts with 625+ ilvl.
It was a grind to get there cause of the crests and I'm talking about it in my video.
Imo alts should get double the crests, I want to spend my time doing higher content instead of spamming 8's
At the end of the day, you don't have to agree with me, all good.
I can understand your opinion.
@@MyBigBlaze Having different opinions is great, out of my 80's multiple are above 620 aswell. What I find interesting about these videos is that we are not even halfway through the season and people have multiple toons at approx 80% gear cap. Season 2 will not be out for 3-5 more months. If you dedicated the time you have dedicated to the alts to your main, you would be 630+. There are 635+ that walk around without 8/8 Mythic Nerub. Mythic Nerub World 1st happened 1 month ago. My point is that the crest system clearly works and sets a balance for all player types. Time in game will get you the gear you want.
@FactsOverFear we are past the mid season actually and season 2 will be out in 2-3 months max.
Even tho crests are the secondary problem in the video, I don't see why alts won't get double the crests.
The main problem for me is that there are some rare gear that without luck, I won't get.
There is nothing wrong with a bad luck protection system that will let me buy specific item from the raid in X amount of time.
You being in a guild with stupid loot rules is not a Blizzard problem.
@@H1vey first, its an example.
Second, it's a rule in a lot of guilds.
Third, it doesn't matter if I'm in a guild or not, some items feel out of reach for the all season without any reason.
Some currency to buy 1-2 items in a season will be a blessing and I'm sure you won't mind
Just some random ideas: Eliminate the Valorstone cap. Make Valorstones and crests warband bound. I don't raid or do mythic+ but I would still like to have a way to get gilded crests.
Whats the problem in having some rare items in a game? Its a mmorpg, thats normal. Epic items became usual. So thats the only way to have some rare itens in the game, it makes way more enjoyable when you get them.
@@angelinomoreira6502 there is no problem.
The problem starts when you don't get it for a few months.
I don't see a problem if I can buy 1 specific item that I want after X amount of time.
Items meant to be use
Bro your guild raid loot rules are your problem
And the crests just like gear your get the best from the harder content how it should be and if you just hand shit to alts what the point how blizzard keeps people around is having a grind to get the best of the best if it's handed out and people get geared in all bis quick they end up bored and quiting till the next season I do this also when I hit that wall of no more grind like my whole group and guild
Dude first of all: your guild loot distribution is your problem, not Blizzards. Second, equipping alts has never been easier. I have 4 alts 610+, 2 615+ and one almost 625. My main will hit 635 this week. We raid 2 times a week and i play every other night for like 2 to 3 hours. People crying all over the place "it's so hard to do X" and "Y is impossible for most players". Get your shit together and play the game like a normal person. No one is gonna give you shit for free. And yes, a system which would be a bit more deterministic would be nice, but this is what we got. +8 Dungeons for mythic crests are easily done with pugs and before you say: BuT nO oNe InViTeS mE, i've got the answer for you. Play your own damn key and build a group by yourself. I play as a BM Hunter which is clearly nowhere near meta and i still get invited. why? because i pushed my score manually and didnt expect the community to boost me. So for the love of god: Stop crying, pull your head out of your ass and play the game instead of crying like a little baby on youtube why big bad blizzard doesnt give you any loot.
@@AA-ku1ee dude, your comment is so out of place...
Do you think I'm crying?
It's a suggestion to make the game less of a gamble and more of a progress.
Just because some is X, it doesn't mean it can't be Y someday,
It called progress and improvement
I have 4 alta with all of them are 625+, gearing is not the point.
There are some items that you need pure luck to get and this is what I want to improve.
You know most adults have this thing called responsibility so cant no life a game...
I hate the whole concept of upgrading gear. Its just artificial gating and feels bad.
@@Magariz1283 yeah it can be annoying but I think it something that needed.
It gives you the improvement feeling even after you get the "bis" item
@MyBigBlaze I disagree, especially if you get a bis item. Now you need to go farm something to make it what it should be when dropped, complete.
@Magariz1283 I can understand your point but sadly I think upgrading is here to stay.
Blizzard likes the idea
@@MyBigBlaze unfortunately yeah. I'd rather see a system like the threads but make it so you can reroll an item once a week. Cuz we all know there is straight trash loot, this gives someone a chance to reroll it into something useful.