They gave it up when they released D3 and it was worse than early access POE. They just hadn't realized that was the beginning of the end, they had a chance to recover but it would have taken a lot of work.
People can feel the vibe what games are full of passion and what games aren't. POE time and time again shows they pour passion into every season by adding a lot of content. Diablo 4? Felt like they are just nickel and dime or cash grab.
By the way, if anyone sees this, Talkative Tri would love to talk to Asmongold. If Asmon can give him some time, that'd be great. But to respond tot his comment: REMEMBER THAT BG3 CONTROVERSIAL COMMENT? As to "PLEASE DON'T SET A NEW STANDARD"? Because guess what? GGG just said: "CHALLENGE ACCEPTED." As it turns out, the standard set by BG3 that so many studios feared? That's a FAIR STANDARD to have. Dear studios: show your customers that you CARE and deliver a product that shows it. It's possible. Larian proved it. GGG proved it. Now get cooking.
PoE is basically what Diablo was meant to be. If Blizzard were capable of thinking ahead further than their next investor meeting, they could've controlled this entire market.
Path of Exile was a natural evolution of Diablo 2, though with its own unique ideas, and with the pros and cons of being an online only game which was free to play. Path of Exile 2 seems more like just a natural evolution of the entire genre though.
Something I found interesting was it looks like even more things are inspired by d2 for poe2. To me the gameplay looks alot closer to d2 in terms of weight and feel than d3, d4, or poe 1. It's hard to explain but all the gameplay has felt like a truly next gen diablo 2 to me
@@echomjp They had Silent Hill and FF7 remakes in there though. PoE2 wasn't even in anticipated games, but we get all this indie trash and publisher $$$ paying for their slots.
@@theeatherlash69 Rolls off the tongue better than "Exile-like". But aside from clowning on the modern Diablo series, what's the point when a perfectly good genre name already exists with "ARPG"?
As soon as i heard the Diablo developers say in an interview "...if you want diablo 2, go play diablo 2..." i knew it was over. Diablo died in the same house Blizzard North died in.
To be fair, that sentiment makes sense. Diablo 4 is not Diablo 2 so there's no reason to expect them to be exactly alike. Now the fact that D4 didn't appear to learn anything from the games that came before and seems to have been made in a vacuum is a different problem.
@@TheRogueAstronautIf your audience wants Diablo 2, make Diablo 2. It's not rocket science and the multiple companies successfully making Diablo 2 prove the success of that strategy.
Rob doesn't even know what Rogue is. Diablo is based on Rogue too. We could call Diablo a Rogue-like. I think I played Rogue once or twice. But I preferred Angband which was a Lord of the Rings Rogue. Just better imo.
As an old diablo devout with a little over 24k hours between diablo 1 and 2 alone..... this tickles me. They moved away from the formula, shot themselves in the foot, and now are sinking against a competitor that made a similar but unique enough formula that started as an homage to the original. It's almost like they were listening to players or something.
Sure - when a Triple A live service game is rushed out with half its features missing, including an end game, with a bunch of bugs, boring progression, unsatisfying game loop, uninteresting loot, with all overperforming synergies nerfed into the ground solely to maximize play time... we'll call it a Diablo-Like.
wow, yeah, that's what I felt about d4, I like the game until reaching the boring endgame and realization that now only one class rules, i mean I could play other classes and have some fun, but there's always a desire to be the strongest (that's why we grind hack&slash games) and a realization that nothing comes even close to Spiritborn is killing it.
I thank D1 for setting the bar for good games. I thank D2 for proving that there are such things as good sequels. I thank D3 for thousands of hours of distraction and a I thank D4 for getting me back onto POE.
The most ironic thing about the viewer numbers for D4 and POE is that D4 is marketing itself as a mass market appeal game which draws in the largest possible audience. Yet is being completely outmatched by the "super niche" POE 2
PoE2 feels like it's made with love. Yes it is a bit harder but Souls/Elden Ring has shown that players appreciate not just being in a movie with a few buttons/clicks.
@@SvanMagic Even though D2 had really a lackluster camp and the game was only alright. What made it legendary wasn't even the game itself but the systems it brought like Battlenet, The runeword system, and overall just player trading. Why can't POE2 be compared to D2 or hoped to rival it? It's a extremely old game that someone should try to beat after how long of being uncontested.
@@SvanMagicD2 is too old to compete. If PoE2 came out in the same year as D2, PoE2 would winn hands down. If D2 came out this year on Dec 6, PoE2 would win hands down. Nostalgia goggles need to be taken off. And it's a good thing that the game is slowly finally meeting it's rival. It would have been amazing if Blizzard could have done that themselves, but nope, they trash now
@@SvanMagic "amazing campaign" lmao were we playing the same game? D2 campaign was awful. honestly at this point, half-baked generic campaigns are a trope for loot RPGs, it's almost endearing
@@jac6548you guys know that developers of Path of Exile 1 and 2 were the same people that developed Diablo 2 right? That’s how you know they are winning… their competition is themselves.
I think you all are missing the point of the original comment. There's no comparison drawn between the two games, only an analogy in their being an expansion (with added features etc) of a previous very successful game and of what made it good.
"A free-to-play game is beating us in playability and popularity? Maybe we should push ourselves to make a better product.... "Too hard -- easier to just pay off gaming media and influencers to shit on the game, and then we buy out the competition." -- Blizzard, probably.
The sheer arrogance of Blizzard. This isn't 2010. the company has a dwindled and traumatized customer-base that hates them, their reputation completely ruined and their popularity long dead. They can't treat 2024 like their heyday and attempt to release a "trailer" for their game on the same day and time as their competitor's game "trailer" and expect that to damage their opponent's visibility. They no longer have that level of power and influence to pull that off, it's frankly embarrassing. It's like an old boxer getting back into the ring after being retired for 2 decades and looking surprised when the 25yo dude in his prime kicked his old ass.
I never even got into any of their games since I didn’t game on pc back then. Now they don’t make anything that looks good to me as a possible new customer.
What the hell are you even on about lol. Blizzard/Activision/ Microsoft is bigger and more successful than ever. You're not wrong about the hate they receive, but you're going to continue to play wow regardless
wasd for poe2 is literally what sent me over the fence. first seeing it, i was like "ah it looks cool and all but too bad for the isometric and click to move" but someone informed me it was wasd and i was like "ooo that changes things" now im fully on board the hype train
I really think large dev teams do more harm than good. Look at Oblivion and a Skyrim. Both were masterful and had relatively small dev teams. Suddenly Bethesda gets huge and well over doubles their team size and it takes them 7 years to make Starfield which is not nearly as good a game as Skyrim.
its not much of an fault from employees, more than from the ceo's they want things to be done faster and cheaper, devs being overworked and when the game releases there are 100s of bugs, and then again devs has to fix it on overtime, cant do things well when you are being tortured
Just to be clear: PoE2 has three ways of controlling your character: 1) classic mouse; 2) WASD; 3) controller! It also has three modes of play: 1) solo; 2) multiplayer); 3) couch co-op multiplayer.
@@Tsukinotaku Offline ARPGs are a dying genre sadly... Blizzard tricked everyone into thinking online requirements were ok with D3. One of the reasons I'm still a fan of Last Epoch despite the rocky launch - they at least are allowing us to play offline. Sad thing is unless an offline mode is added at some point, POE will become completely unplayable and lost to history on server shutdown. That's why I'm not really that excited for this game - it's basically guaranteed to be temporary.
If you guys didn’t know… Ros Ferguson is who ruined gears 4 & 5 by not being able to agree with the multiplayer designer Ryan Cleven . After cleven left the company they reverted a patch that he worked on that was praised by hardcore fans and they left gears 5 in a horrible state ever since .
@@VermilionWake Well it usually happens everytime a successful game inspires others. For example, oom clones became doom-likes, Dark Soul clones becames souls-like etc.
1:51 more than half, actually. Ik im late to this party, but all classes have THREE ascendancies to choose from, not 2. EA launches with 2 for 6 classes meaning we have 24 unplayable ascendancies.
You do realize that when a company buys another company changes their name the former company’s creations are also credited to the one that purchased them right?
@@DeathbyDawn141 "You do realize that when a company buys another company changes their name the former company’s creations are also credited to the one that purchased them right?" You do realize that you have to get a life? Oh boy. x,D
Honestly i dont think the issue was that it was for phone as well. The problem is that they threw in a bs combat rating system, pay to progress systems, and an unfulfilling build system designed for monkeys.
I was telling people after Blizzard merged with Activision that the games coming out after the merger were going to junk in comparing them to before the merger and I was right, D3 WAS atrocious when it came out as it was pretty much a MMO. It was also nerfed like 4 to 6 times in 2 months.
As a long time ARPG player, these are my experiences: D4 - Bought it, played it, uninstalled it. Then I uninstalled the blizzard app. PoE II - I've refused to look at pre-hype and spoil it so I know nothing. When I saw this video, I went to check steam, got hyped that it's almost out and Immediately purchased early access.
I bought D4 when it came out. It was the worst decision i have ever made. Gave it another shot recently (week ago), even bought the DLC. After a week i was 1-shotting every fucking thing to exist while not even being min/maxed. NOTHING to do left. Awesome game 10/10, there wont be another try.
Path of exile is like a high-end restaurant and Diablo 4 is McDonald’s, but the high-end restaurant is cheaper. People that go to McDonald’s are used to garbage and are afraid of going into the high-end restaurant.
Yeah and what happens when the high end restaurant is free and the mcdonalds costs 100$? You call mcdonalds bad and they fucking fail because they're bad. Stop it. Prime (evil) example of toxic positivity.
Wrong analogy. D4 (paid game) supposed to be the high end restaurant serving bland and soul less food, while PoE (free to play) is the street food vendor serving food pack with rich flavours.
The big difference is that here devs actually played D2 a lot so they have an idea of what a good Diablo-like game should look like and they can play their own game. Most probably D4 devs never even played D2 so how they could know how to create a good Diablo-like game. This is not Blizzard North. Comparing D4 to PoE2 is like a night and day difference. PoE2 is a more Diablo-like game than D4 itself and they are in full panic mode. They had a whole year to create good content and be prepared but they blew it big time.
D2 isnt a good arpg in 2024 tho what are you on about😂. The skill trees, potion system, and combat is literally dogshit in d2. you just enjoy the depth more. Thats nothing exclusive to d2🤭
@@newax_productions2069 My point is that most probably 90% of GGG workers played D2 so they have an idea what Diablo-like game even means. By watching D4 devs during campfires and how they play their own game I came to the conclusion that they have no idea what a Diablo-like game means. You just can tell that GGG devs are gamers creating a game for other gamers. Can't tell this about the D4 team.
Blizzard could learn a lot from the Last Epoch devs. Last Epoch gave PoE 2 a shout-out on Twitter when the launch happened, (Classy) and you can be sure they were waiting around to play PoE 2. Not a good look for Blizzard, but then again, when was the last time they did look good? I'd say, Overwatch 1, year 1. Maybe halfway into year 2 at most.
The problem is that PoE/PoE2 is more of a Diablo game than D3 and D4. When you pander to new players, you risk alienating the existing fanbase, and now we see the result of it.
@@Rai2M I still remember how pissed I was that D2 got rid of the Friendly Fire aspect of Diablo 1... but I guess that wouldn't make sense with skills like Freezing Orb or Whirlwind. XD
whats worse is insulting their diablo2 fanbase because they are not agreeing with the direction of the game. What Diablo doesnt understand is if they make a good game make it f2p and put skins or packs if the game is good people wont mind spending more than $60 or even $100 a year to support the development. No need to paywall new content behind expansions people will support the game. Ive spent over $600 on it just because its a game that stayed what it claimed it to be.
The last one worth playing was diablo 2. After how they treat their staff and customers I was done. I had tried the third and it was bad! Uninstalled. Heard about the fourth and I have no interest to support bad companies.
@@travisv6408 I was put off by the PHD level HUD vomit of the skill tree in POE but if POE2 does something to address that I might even be tempted because I miss good quality isometric gaming
@@lethn2929 I remember years ago trying POE but the immidiate complexity kinda off put me. Among all of this I stick to D2R which sadly is now barely touched by "janitor" to address some bugs, heck even HoTS got more "janitor" action lately with upcoming patch
to deep for a community. if you have no idea about it and google it? the world is a simple place and need easy things poe-like is more accessible. no hate think simple
@@emilcioran7444 POE 1 and POE 2 are two completely different games when it comes to early content... POE2 has alot of tutorials and the skill system is very beginner friendly there. POE1 You might feel lost 25 mins after you start. Just a heads-up :) I hope you like it, but don't feel discouraged if you don't like POE1 at first :)
8:15 the thing that’s lame about that tweet is that he’s implying that PoE’s existence is a dig on the Diablo franchise. I’m sure that the devs of PoE worship the original Diablo games and would admit to being incredibly inspired by them, but D4 and the monetization stuff is what’s making people go the other way.
D3--D4 is the ex who broke up with you to "reinvent" herself and ended up doing fent until they're an unrecognizable mess. D2--POE--POE2 is that dorky girl from high school who you catch up with years later to find she's now an absolute babe who can still beat you at Smash.
being underated is the best think that hapenned to poe , it made the devs ego not get too inflated , they clearly have way better content pipelines than games like warframe or no man sky
Few months ago I started tagging all my ARPG games with the custom tag ISO-ARPG on Steam. Grim Dawn, Titan Quest, Van Helsing, Victor Vran, Last Epoch, Warhammer: Inquisitor, Hero Siege, The ascent.. The list goes on and on.
Tried Poe for first time yesterday. Ascended 2 characters. Been playing Diablo 4 since launch and since D1. But they officially have lost a customer until they step it up. Had more fun yesterday than I have in 6 months.
Wait until you realize there is no end game... You can't even pvp. It's literally just endless pve that only exists simply to justify the endless pve loop. Great idea, in theory. Horrible execution.
One of the things that has really impressed me about PoE2's footage so far... is the movement. There he is, talking about "Diablo-like" aRPGs; I have been longing for YEARS for aRPGs to finally move beyond the shadow of Diablo 1 and actually do something new with the control scheme. The "1 click to rule them all" gameplay was janky and outdated even in Diablo 1, but the snobby aRPG elitists out there absolutely shackled the genre for two decades. Seeing a warrior with a big tower shield... backing away from the enemy, tactically covering with the shield, dodging sideways, then leaping at the enemy, without seeing a cursor pinging back and forth madly? Breath of fresh air.
You can do all the things mentioned on a mouse also 😂 You needing 4 keybinds to moce instead of an accurate mouseclick isnt whats "held the genre back" whats held the genre back is shit companies like blizzard making bad games like d3 and d4. Now them having the option to choose is def the right answer. But backing away with a tower shield doesnt make a good game 😂😂😂
@@Odyssey636 "You needing 4 keybinds to moce instead of an accurate mouseclick" An. Accurate. Mouse click. Notice all the conditionals there? If you're clicking to move, you're not clicking the enemy. If you're clicking to move, you're not clicking anything on the interface. And if you're clicking to move, then your character is brainlessly running to that point - straight at it. No strafing, no dodging, no meandering... just one move command, like a single brainless unit in an RTS, except the unit has no ability to auto-target enemies the way it would in an RTS. So please, share with the class - how exactly is one click, requiring total usage of the mouse's pointing and clicking capacity in that moment, superior to being able to move freely with one hand... and move the cursor independently with the other? Please tell us all how the original Doom would have been better if move forward and shoot were both left click, depending on whether you were looking at an enemy. Spam emojis like a teenage girl all you like - one of the reasons people who don't like aRPGs don't like aRPGs? The elitists turned the genre into an RSI generating mess of visual noise with awful end-game power creep (because it's actually rather difficult to balance a game around gameplay that is 90% left click).
I’m surprised Grim Dawn doesn’t get brought up more in ARPG discussions. Especially as an expansion will be dropping for it relatively soon. One of the most enjoyable ARPG experiences I’ve had in a very long time.
@@arax20 well arpg translate to action rpg. witcher series is an arpg, kingdom of amalur and so on. diablo-like arpg is a subgenre of arpg. maybe looter arpg? idk
bro they are giving me the early access for free because ive been a loyal customer and my cosmetics are carrying over, blizzard hasnt given me a damn thing
I was already an arpg fan but I never played poe. GGG created a LOT of brand loyalty with the carry over move (cosmetics, cache/storage). I will now be jumping into poe2 having never played BECAUSE of this move. Knowing that GGG afforded the fans this carry over, gave me huge interest going forward.
@@HutchinsonJC I have tried POE but it just didnt stick with me. Too wooden, too outdated graphics and animations. I knew the game is great, but id rather watch others play it. With PoE 2 being so fcking smooth, im going to have time of my life
I've never played Diablo/Path of Exile. I just played Path of Exile 2 for 12PM till 6AM and it's one of the best and most sophisticated games I've ever played.
@@waleader626anything before Diablo 4 is just trash and outdated. Blizzard should stick to Overwatch and WoW development and just sell off Diablo to another company
What did it for me was crafting honestly, my uncle introduced me to Diablo and still have the disks as many of us do. Looking at the math on the stats and having "availability of crafting" is what hit me to buy this game. I just enjoy games for what they are. In all fairness both good franchises and you said it best "not my chair not my problem"
Zelda is the original action RPG and blizzard failed to do something more like diablo 1 that an MMO did before wow. Everquest, so good they made a ps2 game that is the best ARPG in modern time . Before that was Baulders Gate Dark Alliance, same engine basically but for me. That is the definition of an ARPG. like baldomort said its a click like with what blizzard makes. I have so many years in diablo 2 and I prefer diablo 1 which btw is just a copy of zelda with better graphics and not a semi-open world like zelda 2.
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez nah we should just be honnest about that, there is a "diablo like" formula indeed, which is way more "diablo like" than the other arpgs. (I played zelda too, its my childhood) but its nothing like the (diablo formula). When you play POE diablo comes to your mind imediatly, its a copy paste of the diablo design(health ball left, mana ball right, same classes, same map, same sounds , same enemies, same game design, same UI, same everything. But its nothing like a Zelda for exemple, except being an Arpg... So to summarize it, yes Blizzard fall apart, yes diablo 3 and 4 are jokes. But NO we shouldnt exagerate things more that it already is by going backward to discredit the whole Diablo Era. Just remember that 1st time you started that creepy Diablo 1 campaign in the forest and that scary sound (Tristram) started, so going for neardy arguments of "I know another arpg which also got an inventory and a sword back in the 90th" is a bit too much and doesnt sound right to me, the "diablo like formula" exist and we wouldnt have poe without diablo. There are other famous copy pasts to diablo btw, like Grim dawn or Last epoch who literally uses the exact same recipe
D4 devs have nothing to complain about. They literally put out a tweet a couple weeks into season 6 asking "should we fix the game or leave it until next season" (re: spiritborn) instead of doing what any other game developer would do and FIX THE DAMN GAME. So basically 5 of the classes were (and still are) completely worthless in season 6. As of this post they still have done nothing.
@@harhatoxic8271 Sure thing buddy. Tell that to all the players who quit because they have no interest in playing spiritborn. Every season has been defined by 100x plus imbalance between classes. The incompetence is staggering.
The only thing that kept D4 even remotely interesting and fun for a time (I quit a few weeks ago now) is how broken Spiritborn are. Otherwise their classes are incredibly weak, slow and boring. D4 is a flop, through and through. An entire expansion didn't add ANY end-game worth doing. No new end-game bosses to farm. No interesting, fun or engaging end-game content to farm. Kurast Undercity or whatever is all we got and it's a joke lol.
I think the biggest problem is that the bigger companies get the divide between gamers and corporation profiteering widens. I feel like any game company that can avoid doing so should NOT go public. The moment they go public they just become another profit machine that has to churn numbers each quarter to appease investors who care little about what the game is, what it does, and how fun it is. They just want quick instant cash even if it means the game will burn tomorrow they can cash out today and that's all that matters. I used to love Star Wars games but all the big name brand game companies ruined them. I haven't played them in a decade. Knights of the Old Republic was one of my favorite games. I thing for me the biggest hype for any game in my life would be if Lauren Studios (who made Baldur's Gate III, who happens to be a private company) made KOTOR III. I feel like they could 100% do it, 100% make it fun, 100% stick to the turn based genre and give it a story and plot that would turn heads. One can dream, no doubt Disney would find a way to **** it up anyways even if it did happen.
Yea Blizzard clearly stopped caring years ago. They just make these games because they are a cooperation, they don't make them because they enjoy it and want to make a masterpiece... I don't know what people expected when activision partnered with them..
By the way, this Rod Fergusson was the same guy who ruined Gears Of War franchise, he took control of the franchise from GoW 4 and since then the franchise has never been the same.
Holy shit... thats why GoW up to 3 were absolutely insane... crazy. GoW 3 is one of my most played multiplayer game of all time. Only Blizzard would hire a guy like that.
I have many friends that liked Diablo 3, hated Diablo 4 but were intimidated by the learning curve and general clunkiness of PoE 1, so they never picked it up even if it I knew they would have liked the endgame. After the reveal stream, they all bought the early access for PoE 2. Blizzard is right to be scared.
I mean, the term "EXILE-LIKE" game or so makes much sense since the game is quite unique at its genre. Same thing goes with escape from tarkov, ppl use "tarkov-like" game or so for extraction/realism FPS game.
PoE1 is the spiritual successor to Diablo 2 which makes it the true Diablo 3. This in result makes PoE2 the true Diablo 4. Kinda ironic how a Diablo4 head dev wants to push "diablo-like" when their own game has the least in common with Diablo 2.
But current blizzard doesn’t deserve the recognition for an entire genre to be named after one of their titles from 25 years ago. The Diablo-like moniker is based off a game blizzard made long before vivendi or activision came along.
@@echoesofmalachor3700 True. Could Call it Blizzard North-like or something. It's clunky but literally anything is better than giving credit to current day Blizz.
Blizzard: Thank you marketing team, now that we have sold millions of copies we can start developing the game GGG: Thank you dev team, now that we have a game we can make it available to the entire community and start the marketing campaign without predatory monetization
@@BARDI77 totally, which shows GGG's better market vision. I live in Brazil and to play Diablo 4 + expansion it costs almost 1/4 of the minimum wage, but even though money is not a problem, the return on investment/entertainment/hours in PoE 2 does not even need to be calculated in comparison
@@MrFabiogarcia D4, especialy with the DLC class is finishable in a week. After that, there is NOTHING to do, as you 1-shot all the content but high-level Pits. And yes, there is no reason to do high-level pits other than personal challenge. Nothing else waits for you in this game. I learned that hard way.
@@petersirota5124 Well, I always say that there is no such thing as a free game, they are companies and not charities and they will need to make money at some point, with PoE 2 it is the old school system of creating the problem to sell the solution. Even so, GGG does not do it in a predatory way, once you buy the solution the problem is solved, and you can deal with the problem without spending for a loooong period of time, it is not per character, for a limited time or per season, it is permanent.
Blizzard dropped the "Diablo like" from they're Diablo games long ago, D4 closer resembles a Destiny like now with they're live service progression model and balancing
Lets call it diablo-like, just to remind ourselves that basically every game dev is able to do a good diablo like, EXCEPT the original creator of diablo. Which is kinda hilarious to me.
They are not the original creators of diablo, that's the funny part. All the people left Blizzard after Diablo 2. So D3 and D4 are just Diablo in name (IP) ONLY.
Every gamer friend I know have been calling games like this 'diablo-like' already. It is no secret. Rod Fergusson is so out of touch he doesn't know this. And the gall to make a statement like that..
@@ddenozorI think after the failures of D3 and D4, people have, at least in my experience, tended to go with just calling them arpgs. Arpg has pretty much become synonymous with "Diablo-like" even though there would be many more types of games that could fall under that umbrella.
The USED to call them that. Once PoE got a foothold, people stopped calling it that as there was a legit contender. Case and point, no one has called PoE a "diablo clone" in almost a decade.
PoE has a major obstacle here in the EU. Their providers seem to be from rather exotic suppliers and every day, at prime time, you get lag, dropped frames and whatnot. Blizzard seems to have purchased more bandwidth and while PoE starts to rubberband, give you 10+ seconds of frozen screen and then some fast action, Battlenet runs smooth as silk with no noticeable delays.
Diablo started as a genre defining game. Now, it's failing so hard that the kids in the next generation will think it's copying off of Path of Exile. Honestly, it would be way better if they did. POE is leagues ahead of D4, and POE2 looks even better. Maybe try a bit harder, Blizzard, instead of hating games that are better?
@@Neriehemit’s a lot of negative attention , when you have a company who was recognized as breaking records, creating higher standards and most importantly: “making good games” it’s hard not to talk about them when they completely 180 and start losing practically everything they were known for.
Diablo 4 is a fine game, it's far from perfect but people are overhating the game by a mile because well, Blizzard is Blizzard. I got it on sale a year after release and had alot of fun going through the main storyline. It's a beautiful game visually, the ambiance is dark and gruesome like the old Diablos, the voice acting is great, the gameplay is engaging(as much as a hack and slash can be), the stories are interesting for the most part. POE and Diablo franchises have diverged ALOT, not the same TA. That was clear when D3 came out. Are Blizzard greedy as hell and take questionnable decisions? Yeah for sure but is Diablo 4 objectively a terrible game? Far from it. Expectations are always up the roof and that's no surprise.
This reminds me of Blizz con when Diablo Immortal was announced (DO YOU GUYS NOT HAVE PHONES?!). All the Diablo players swarmed to Betrayal league. It was glorious. Then the Einhar voice line added later really hammered it home (Do you not have nets, Exile?!). History repeats itself!
7:08 True, unless you're like me and manage to hit a mageblood shiny early in a league and make your entire clan quit out of the leader getting jealous. Wild asf.
"Every single item in the game is freely available to trade with other players. We never lock ANYTHING to your account. Oh, except for gold." I will never, ever, ever play anything by Blizzard again. Case in point, when Bungie was considering allowing player trade, they had the brilliant idea to ASK BLIZZARD. Blizzard advised them not to, so they didn't. Cue multiple videos of watching people destroy extra copies of raid-only gear that they could not trade because of this decision. One of the MAIN reasons I continue to play Path to this day is that I can farm anything, and sell it for currency. And, with enough currency, buy any other item. It might take forever, but I can do it. Player to player trade is probably THE most important thing to me. Path has understood that since Day. Fucking. One.
I still vividly remember the days of trading on the beach outside of act1 town. Each player drops his item and runs to the other one, and the distance has to be exactly 8 sarnian yards, if it's too close the other guy might pick up both items if he's fast enough, and if it's too far and and his character is a lot faster he'll pick both up again
@@sadoxprkl It Has positive and negative sides. People like me cant hold back. I dont have much time to Play, but i have much money to spend. So i think "instead of wasting 30h of my time, ill pay and get the Item". Then i find out i purchased most of my gear, and there is barely anything i can do at this game anymore because im fully geared and lack rabbits to chase. Yeah im autistic af
@@D00RYA The way I see it, as long as it isn't hurting the game overall, as in - the average player, some players having no self control is strictly a personal issue. In a way, it's even a good thing because it removes powerful items from the market, slowing down its saturation later in the league. The problem people usually have with pay2win in all forms isn't that some people get geared too easily, the problem is on the other end, it's that gearing for free intentionally takes way too long. PoE doesn't have that problem, if you know how you can buy whatever, and even those that suck at it or just don't have the time have a big selection of capable builds that pretty much work on chaos fumes.
Battlenet is the worst platform i have EVER seen. At 67% D4 download drops to 10kb/s and u gotta download it like that for 1 GB. Then it jumps back to your speed. Takes whole night with PC left on download to install it. Lots of people share this problem with battlenet launcher, and they NEVER fucking did anything about that.
I can't even comprehend that they're going to add 6 new starting classes and that all classes will have 3 ascendancies. As a non poe1 player and previously a diablo enjoyer, the game as it is currently feels way more in depth with the class system alone compared to d3 or d4.
PoE2: Released on December 6, 2024. Blizzard: We need to NERF it. Too much content, it’s overcomplicated. We need to NERF all characters; too many characters. We need to NERF skill VFX; it’s too realistic, it’$ not fun.
@@ninja_karbo6135 Just do the " * "-Sign before and after a Word. 😉 the Word will be written thicc (lol). Same as the " _ " turns the Words into written as cursive. 😎
I think we all have 1 or 2 steam friends who we just CONSTANTLY see, for like the last 10 years, in Path of Exile. And that's had a huge effect, and now that we'll all get the chance to start fresh together, I anticipate this launch to certifiably insane. & I'm in favor of 'poe-like' (like Edgar Allan Poe) as an ARPG synonym lol
especially when the Diablo dev guy says not to call diablo like games that don't resemble diablo. Basically giving his own permission without realizing it haha
you can invite 2 friends to play along with you in poe 2 for the same price as the long Johnson mount in wow for 90$ one took 6 years development by a team and cost 30$ the other took 1 person 2 days... and cost 90$
Blizzard could of had monopoly over the genre but dropped the ball so hard over d3, d4 was their last chance at redemption and they failed even harder 🤣
The main reason i left diablo 3 to path of exile was obviusly that blizzard dident care about their games anymore, and path of exile is just superior in every way!
Yeah same for me. After I realized that whirlwind barb will remain as the only playable class and build until RoS comes out, I switched. And D3 remained in this sorry state for almost a year. And now we have literally the same situation with D4 and spiritborn. No content, no balance and the little stuff that's actually good can't keep me interested. Blizzard and the Diablo franchise didn't change one bit in the past 12 years. Thank God PoE1 and PoE2 exist.
Except accesibility to new players. I mean D3 was bad, but it was new player friendly while PoE is good but it is not new player friendly (at all). PoE 2 seems to improve on that tho which is great.
I never noticed a difference in the diablo 3 seasons, a class usually only had one build that was ok to run... boring. Then poe on the otherhand had so much more to offer. The only thing was back then I needed time to understand the systems
The delayed introduction of the Armoury feature in D4 is a valid point of critique, especially for a game launched by a studio with as much experience as Blizzard. Features like an armoury-allowing players to easily switch between gear setups and skill builds-are considered essential quality-of-life elements in modern ARPGs. Given that similar systems existed in Diablo 3, players expected this from day one in D4, especially in a game designed around diverse builds and frequent respecs. The late addition likely frustrated players who spent countless hours manually swapping gear and reconfiguring builds, detracting from the fun of experimentation and fluid play. For a live-service game like D4, this kind of oversight can alienate its core audience, especially when competing games like Path of Exile 2 prioritize such conveniences and ensure they’re part of the foundational experience. While it's good that Blizzard eventually implemented the feature, its absence at launch feels like a missed opportunity to establish D4 as a polished and modern ARPG from the get-go. Combined with other criticisms, like limited endgame content and class imbalances, it's understandable why many players might look toward POE 2 as a more thoughtfully crafted alternative.
Not even half of the classes actually. Every class will have 3 ascendancy classes, but the 6 at the start of early access will only have 2 of those. So it's going to be 6 more ascendancy classes, and then 6 more classes with 3 each for a 18 more ascendancies by the full release.
Blizzard just needs to acknowledge that they are better at making movies than they are at making video games at this point. Best part of the D4 was the cutscenes and it's what got me through the game, and why me and so many other people dropped the game as soon as they beat the campaign and saw all the cutscenes.
Bro I swear cut scenes are the only good thing Blizzard has done in many many years now, they should legit just make a badass fantasy TV show done in their animated art style everyone knows them for. It would be cool
GGG understands their player base, they know the majority will play for a month and then be done with their personal goals, and they're fine with it, they respect the fact that everyone has something else they wanna play, and if you don't, well, there's a bunch of content to explore
I did since day 1. Diablo has never been a good game. Even d2 is trash when u look back at the systems. The damn potion system alone is one of the worst design decisions ive ever seen😂
D3 was already bad, act 1 in beta was great, afterwards it was designed to milk his audience and boring, it still felt smaller than D2. D4 didnt even touch.
Obvously PoE has been called a sequel too Diablo 2. However PoE is now changing the industry into it's own genre and thus "PoE Like" does make sense. Especially when they now have WASD, dodge, active block, weapon swap and then providing so many fresh ideas for ARPGs in design choices. It's come a long way from "Diablo Like".
In my opinion- Blizzard should just pull their heads out their ass and do better. They can do better, they do not seem like they put enough hard work, thought or care into their games anymore.
That happens when you get greedy, start cutting costs at all corners and then you jump onto the ESG money train and replace all your talent with garbage DEI hires over many years. Now their studio just like many others is completely fked.
I think you should be explaining to newer players that if they play on standard to learn mechanic of the game, It would help them play better and not depend heavily on the market no mater how bad the trade values get. It would incentivize them to try new build look into other mechanics and get deeper into the game?
Thank you for the react, Asmon. See you LOGGING IN on Dec. 6th.
EDIT: HOLY 30K SUBS WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY EXILES!
LOGIN dude!
Was there in 2013, still here in 2024. LOGIN boys!
Great video Tri! See on login brother.
League startish hype is real. L F G!
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The very moment Blizzard announced Diablo Inmortal instead of Diablo 4 they gave up the ARPG genre to Path of Exile
Hard facts
Do you guys not have phones??
No! it was 2008 and the merge with activision. years before diablo 3 (if you remember that time, you know)
They gave it up when they released D3 and it was worse than early access POE. They just hadn't realized that was the beginning of the end, they had a chance to recover but it would have taken a lot of work.
@@cali2081that was begining of fall, immortal and later deforged was points where last point of recovery in those game geners
Turns out when you care about your games, gamers do too.
that sentiment cant be extended to pretty much anything in life as well
Too bad many devs haven’t learned that yet
People can feel the vibe what games are full of passion and what games aren't. POE time and time again shows they pour passion into every season by adding a lot of content. Diablo 4? Felt like they are just nickel and dime or cash grab.
Perfect way of putting it! ❤
By the way, if anyone sees this, Talkative Tri would love to talk to Asmongold. If Asmon can give him some time, that'd be great.
But to respond tot his comment:
REMEMBER THAT BG3 CONTROVERSIAL COMMENT? As to "PLEASE DON'T SET A NEW STANDARD"?
Because guess what? GGG just said: "CHALLENGE ACCEPTED."
As it turns out, the standard set by BG3 that so many studios feared? That's a FAIR STANDARD to have.
Dear studios: show your customers that you CARE and deliver a product that shows it. It's possible. Larian proved it. GGG proved it.
Now get cooking.
PoE is basically what Diablo was meant to be.
If Blizzard were capable of thinking ahead further than their next investor meeting, they could've controlled this entire market.
Path of Exile was a natural evolution of Diablo 2, though with its own unique ideas, and with the pros and cons of being an online only game which was free to play.
Path of Exile 2 seems more like just a natural evolution of the entire genre though.
when diablo 4 2 comes out it'll still be $60 with MTX, but they'll add a subscription cost for longevity.
Something I found interesting was it looks like even more things are inspired by d2 for poe2. To me the gameplay looks alot closer to d2 in terms of weight and feel than d3, d4, or poe 1. It's hard to explain but all the gameplay has felt like a truly next gen diablo 2 to me
Truth
@@echomjp They had Silent Hill and FF7 remakes in there though. PoE2 wasn't even in anticipated games, but we get all this indie trash and publisher $$$ paying for their slots.
I go back and play Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 regularly. Arguably two of the best Path-likes ever made
I like that term. Path-likes.
@@theeatherlash69
Rolls off the tongue better than "Exile-like".
But aside from clowning on the modern Diablo series, what's the point when a perfectly good genre name already exists with "ARPG"?
Okay i love what they did with POE2 and i agree with everything, but don't you DARE disrespect those two legendary games like that! Hahaha
@@augustday9483ARPG stands for Action RolePlaying Game though, doesn't it?
All hail to D2 King babies
POE 2 = game
Diablo 4 = product
So true
holy facts
that’s such a great way to put it
Well said
So true
As soon as i heard the Diablo developers say in an interview "...if you want diablo 2, go play diablo 2..." i knew it was over. Diablo died in the same house Blizzard North died in.
When did they say that? I really need a source lol
To be fair, that sentiment makes sense. Diablo 4 is not Diablo 2 so there's no reason to expect them to be exactly alike.
Now the fact that D4 didn't appear to learn anything from the games that came before and seems to have been made in a vacuum is a different problem.
felt the same way diablo was dead after 2 anyway 3 was okay I guess 4 was okay I guess
I personally consider anything beyond D2 lord of destruction a non cannon bs
@@TheRogueAstronautIf your audience wants Diablo 2, make Diablo 2. It's not rocket science and the multiple companies successfully making Diablo 2 prove the success of that strategy.
Oh poor small indie company Blizzard...
true LMAO
Rob doesn't even know what Rogue is. Diablo is based on Rogue too. We could call Diablo a Rogue-like.
I think I played Rogue once or twice. But I preferred Angband which was a Lord of the Rings Rogue. Just better imo.
Poe 2 may grab 5% of diablo players. It is not casual friendly enough
They boo-hoo because their PoE-like "Diablo" or w/e is a shallow copy. Pft "Diablo"... never even heard of it. 😂
@@meritbrevity thank God. Who wants a game for filthy casuals?
As an old diablo devout with a little over 24k hours between diablo 1 and 2 alone..... this tickles me. They moved away from the formula, shot themselves in the foot, and now are sinking against a competitor that made a similar but unique enough formula that started as an homage to the original. It's almost like they were listening to players or something.
So why are players going from POE2 back to D4?
@@mr.warden124 Seeing as there is only around 7k people in diablo 4 vs poe2's near 300k, I'm not sure what you mean.
@@mr.warden124 Hahahah 🤭
it's like they were players, and decided to make their own game with everything they wanted that Blizzard couldn't or wouldn't provide.
" we know baldy's going to watch it, we don't have to pay him."
They're min maxing all financial decisions. Pro gamer strats.
Dat Omega Grindset
lol
I laughed really hard when he said that I imagined it in marks voice
Jonathan is minmaxer
They've finnessed the finnesser
Sure - when a Triple A live service game is rushed out with half its features missing, including an end game, with a bunch of bugs, boring progression, unsatisfying game loop, uninteresting loot, with all overperforming synergies nerfed into the ground solely to maximize play time... we'll call it a Diablo-Like.
Ubisoft makes my favorite Diablo-Like games.
This is pretty much just "triple-A-like"
Haha! Ouch. Not wrong tho
wow, yeah, that's what I felt about d4, I like the game until reaching the boring endgame and realization that now only one class rules, i mean I could play other classes and have some fun, but there's always a desire to be the strongest (that's why we grind hack&slash games) and a realization that nothing comes even close to Spiritborn is killing it.
And yet, it made millions upon millions in revenue.
I thank D1 for setting the bar for good games. I thank D2 for proving that there are such things as good sequels. I thank D3 for thousands of hours of distraction and a I thank D4 for getting me back onto POE.
Totally with you there
Yep, D3 was a funny distraction while waiting for the next POE league 😂 as well as Grim Dawn
D3 was dog shit also
@@matejbosela9093d3 is a good couple days of gameplay before you just kinda run out of stuff to do.
Screw D3. but the rest of it, sure yah you're not wrong.
The most ironic thing about the viewer numbers for D4 and POE is that D4 is marketing itself as a mass market appeal game which draws in the largest possible audience. Yet is being completely outmatched by the "super niche" POE 2
PoE2 feels like it's made with love. Yes it is a bit harder but Souls/Elden Ring has shown that players appreciate not just being in a movie with a few buttons/clicks.
Poe 2 is GGG's diablo 2 moment. Expanding a winning formula and defining the genre going forward.
@@SvanMagic Even though D2 had really a lackluster camp and the game was only alright. What made it legendary wasn't even the game itself but the systems it brought like Battlenet, The runeword system, and overall just player trading. Why can't POE2 be compared to D2 or hoped to rival it? It's a extremely old game that someone should try to beat after how long of being uncontested.
@@SvanMagicD2 is too old to compete. If PoE2 came out in the same year as D2, PoE2 would winn hands down.
If D2 came out this year on Dec 6, PoE2 would win hands down.
Nostalgia goggles need to be taken off. And it's a good thing that the game is slowly finally meeting it's rival. It would have been amazing if Blizzard could have done that themselves, but nope, they trash now
@@SvanMagic "amazing campaign"
lmao were we playing the same game? D2 campaign was awful. honestly at this point, half-baked generic campaigns are a trope for loot RPGs, it's almost endearing
@@jac6548you guys know that developers of Path of Exile 1 and 2 were the same people that developed Diablo 2 right?
That’s how you know they are winning… their competition is themselves.
I think you all are missing the point of the original comment. There's no comparison drawn between the two games, only an analogy in their being an expansion (with added features etc) of a previous very successful game and of what made it good.
"A free-to-play game is beating us in playability and popularity? Maybe we should push ourselves to make a better product....
"Too hard -- easier to just pay off gaming media and influencers to shit on the game, and then we buy out the competition."
-- Blizzard, probably.
i dont think they care tbh, d4 already made 1b on revenue lol, its will be more popular no matter what.
Good luck with buying out Tencent haha
...Blizzard was bought by Activision, who in turn was bought by Microsoft. Blizzard isn't buying shit lol
lol dude, these stream numbers doesnt mean shit, d4 is swimming on money, you people need to leave the bubble
Might of worked if most gamers even remotely cared what the gaming media say nowadays. 😂
The sheer arrogance of Blizzard. This isn't 2010. the company has a dwindled and traumatized customer-base that hates them, their reputation completely ruined and their popularity long dead. They can't treat 2024 like their heyday and attempt to release a "trailer" for their game on the same day and time as their competitor's game "trailer" and expect that to damage their opponent's visibility. They no longer have that level of power and influence to pull that off, it's frankly embarrassing.
It's like an old boxer getting back into the ring after being retired for 2 decades and looking surprised when the 25yo dude in his prime kicked his old ass.
Mike should have won. was scripted af
I never even got into any of their games since I didn’t game on pc back then. Now they don’t make anything that looks good to me as a possible new customer.
It’s caused by blizzards CEO
What the hell are you even on about lol. Blizzard/Activision/ Microsoft is bigger and more successful than ever.
You're not wrong about the hate they receive, but you're going to continue to play wow regardless
@@itShowtime-714 WoW is trash
wasd for poe2 is literally what sent me over the fence. first seeing it, i was like "ah it looks cool and all but too bad for the isometric and click to move" but someone informed me it was wasd and i was like "ooo that changes things" now im fully on board the hype train
I always played with a controller. I can't stand games that make you move with a mouse
@@mattisixx1699 yeah click to move is just not it
Rod's tweet proves how much trouble Diablo IV / Blizzard is in. When Blizzard's 900+ developers cannot even come close to GGG's 155 emplyees output.
I really think large dev teams do more harm than good. Look at Oblivion and a Skyrim. Both were masterful and had relatively small dev teams. Suddenly Bethesda gets huge and well over doubles their team size and it takes them 7 years to make Starfield which is not nearly as good a game as Skyrim.
@@prezken4937too many chefs in the kitchen
5 developers, 895 people marketing team
its not much of an fault from employees, more than from the ceo's they want things to be done faster and cheaper, devs being overworked and when the game releases there are 100s of bugs, and then again devs has to fix it on overtime, cant do things well when you are being tortured
it should be 9000＋，big mistake bro😂
Just to be clear: PoE2 has three ways of controlling your character: 1) classic mouse; 2) WASD; 3) controller!
It also has three modes of play: 1) solo; 2) multiplayer); 3) couch co-op multiplayer.
i'm pretty sure its always online only, it just that you can play solo if you wish
@@Bazgraczif that's the case it is a little sad
The controller compatibility would have made it peak steam deck game...
@@Tsukinotaku Offline ARPGs are a dying genre sadly... Blizzard tricked everyone into thinking online requirements were ok with D3. One of the reasons I'm still a fan of Last Epoch despite the rocky launch - they at least are allowing us to play offline. Sad thing is unless an offline mode is added at some point, POE will become completely unplayable and lost to history on server shutdown. That's why I'm not really that excited for this game - it's basically guaranteed to be temporary.
Wow that crazy. I wonder when Diablo is going to implement such innovative features
WOW SO COOL… And?
If you guys didn’t know… Ros Ferguson is who ruined gears 4 & 5 by not being able to agree with the multiplayer designer Ryan Cleven . After cleven left the company they reverted a patch that he worked on that was praised by hardcore fans and they left gears 5 in a horrible state ever since .
POE is what Diablo 3 should have been like, and POE2 is what Diablo 4 hoped to be.
A pay to win cash grab clone ? Pass. 😂
Damn, bars
@@kolz4ever1980 is Diablo pay to win?
Diablo 4 never hoped to be anything more than what it is. You can tell right away after you fight the same boss 3 times
@@AntoBorg Diablo immortal is P2W
GGG: Releases PoE 2
Blizzard: "What does your game identify as?"
GGG: An Apache Attack Helicopter
It's a Diablo/Souls-like now. It has transcended its original genre.
"We don't know yet... We are debating between PoE-like, Exile-like and Path-like."
PoE 2: "A good game"
As Diablo 4 killer. ☠
Thr sadest thing is, The Lead Guy of Diablo now adays doesnt realize we used "diablo-like" for years after D2
It's as if they never play games, but make the games we're supposed to play.
imagine encouraging people associate diablo-like and bad. lol
Those people never played D2, or maybe they did but didn't like it as much, which is why the modern game is SOOO different and has no soul.
....i think that was his point. Diablo-clones at first, then diablo-like.
@@VermilionWake Well it usually happens everytime a successful game inspires others.
For example, oom clones became doom-likes, Dark Soul clones becames souls-like etc.
1:51 more than half, actually. Ik im late to this party, but all classes have THREE ascendancies to choose from, not 2. EA launches with 2 for 6 classes meaning we have 24 unplayable ascendancies.
Blizzard never made a good Diablo game only blizzard north did that
Activision-Blizzard has NEVER made a good game.
diablo franchise stopped after 2
You do realize that when a company buys another company changes their name the former company’s creations are also credited to the one that purchased them right?
By 2008 Blizzard was no longer Blizzard.
@@DeathbyDawn141 "You do realize that when a company buys another company changes their name the former company’s creations are also credited to the one that purchased them right?"
You do realize that you have to get a life? Oh boy. x,D
“Do you guys not have phones?” Did not age well.
Honestly i dont think the issue was that it was for phone as well. The problem is that they threw in a bs combat rating system, pay to progress systems, and an unfulfilling build system designed for monkeys.
As much as I hate D:Immortal, it did more money than PoE1 ever did. So I don't think Blizz sees it as much a failure as we do.
they made 1b on revenue with d4 in 1 year, i sure it did lol, you people need to leave your tiny bubble
@@AmayuOnx it’s not about money , it’s about integrity
@@ddenozor made money sure, burn good will? absolutely.
The student became the master. Blizzard should take it as a compliment
Blizzard is that type of master who cant accept his student got stronger then him and taps into blood magic
The issue is that the people who made Diablo2 that inspired PoE arent the same as those who made D4
Well the original Diablo crew took It as a compliment
I was telling people after Blizzard merged with Activision that the games coming out after the merger were going to junk in comparing them to before the merger and I was right, D3 WAS atrocious when it came out as it was pretty much a MMO. It was also nerfed like 4 to 6 times in 2 months.
As a long time ARPG player, these are my experiences:
D4 - Bought it, played it, uninstalled it. Then I uninstalled the blizzard app.
PoE II - I've refused to look at pre-hype and spoil it so I know nothing. When I saw this video, I went to check steam, got hyped that it's almost out and Immediately purchased early access.
Same same same lol. Every point you made 🫡
I bought D4 when it came out. It was the worst decision i have ever made.
Gave it another shot recently (week ago), even bought the DLC. After a week i was 1-shotting every fucking thing to exist while not even being min/maxed. NOTHING to do left. Awesome game 10/10, there wont be another try.
@WirlWind494 uou paid money for D4? Lmao don't tell the internet that.
The council of no lifer gamers agree 💯💯
Bruh i still only play d2r. Maybe poe2 can finally entice me to play a modern arpg. D3 broke me
Path of exile is like a high-end restaurant and Diablo 4 is McDonald’s, but the high-end restaurant is cheaper. People that go to McDonald’s are used to garbage and are afraid of going into the high-end restaurant.
D4 isnt mcdonalds. Its more like the taquitos at quicktrip😂
Yeah and what happens when the high end restaurant is free and the mcdonalds costs 100$?
You call mcdonalds bad and they fucking fail because they're bad. Stop it. Prime (evil) example of toxic positivity.
"Do not convince a fly that honey is better than shit, that it will not understand!"
@@hac1981 good one XD
Wrong analogy. D4 (paid game) supposed to be the high end restaurant serving bland and soul less food, while PoE (free to play) is the street food vendor serving food pack with rich flavours.
The big difference is that here devs actually played D2 a lot so they have an idea of what a good Diablo-like game should look like and they can play their own game.
Most probably D4 devs never even played D2 so how they could know how to create a good Diablo-like game. This is not Blizzard North.
Comparing D4 to PoE2 is like a night and day difference. PoE2 is a more Diablo-like game than D4 itself and they are in full panic mode.
They had a whole year to create good content and be prepared but they blew it big time.
It's not even just that many of D2s devs actually currently work for GGG.
D2 isnt a good arpg in 2024 tho what are you on about😂. The skill trees, potion system, and combat is literally dogshit in d2. you just enjoy the depth more. Thats nothing exclusive to d2🤭
@@newax_productions2069 My point is that most probably 90% of GGG workers played D2 so they have an idea what Diablo-like game even means.
By watching D4 devs during campfires and how they play their own game I came to the conclusion that they have no idea what a Diablo-like game means.
You just can tell that GGG devs are gamers creating a game for other gamers. Can't tell this about the D4 team.
Precisely. So ironic considering that moronic tweet lol.
@@Odyssey636 Without Diablo2 there wouldn't be PoE or PoE2. It defined so many games.
Blizzard could learn a lot from the Last Epoch devs. Last Epoch gave PoE 2 a shout-out on Twitter when the launch happened, (Classy) and you can be sure they were waiting around to play PoE 2.
Not a good look for Blizzard, but then again, when was the last time they did look good? I'd say, Overwatch 1, year 1. Maybe halfway into year 2 at most.
The problem is that PoE/PoE2 is more of a Diablo game than D3 and D4. When you pander to new players, you risk alienating the existing fanbase, and now we see the result of it.
It really isn't. Diablo died with D2.
I still play D1 ) Just for fun )
@@Rai2M I still remember how pissed I was that D2 got rid of the Friendly Fire aspect of Diablo 1... but I guess that wouldn't make sense with skills like Freezing Orb or Whirlwind. XD
Exactly you don't need a wider audience if you only have 1000 people that like it then you make it for the 1000
whats worse is insulting their diablo2 fanbase because they are not agreeing with the direction of the game. What Diablo doesnt understand is if they make a good game make it f2p and put skins or packs if the game is good people wont mind spending more than $60 or even $100 a year to support the development. No need to paywall new content behind expansions people will support the game. Ive spent over $600 on it just because its a game that stayed what it claimed it to be.
We should petition to normalize "POE - like" because blizzard hasn't made a good diablo in over 20 years...
Im using POE - like now
The last one worth playing was diablo 2. After how they treat their staff and customers I was done. I had tried the third and it was bad! Uninstalled. Heard about the fourth and I have no interest to support bad companies.
@@travisv6408 I was put off by the PHD level HUD vomit of the skill tree in POE but if POE2 does something to address that I might even be tempted because I miss good quality isometric gaming
@@lethn2929 I remember years ago trying POE but the immidiate complexity kinda off put me. Among all of this I stick to D2R which sadly is now barely touched by "janitor" to address some bugs, heck even HoTS got more "janitor" action lately with upcoming patch
Been using this for a while. Confused a few people.
"Exile-Like" it IS!
Im downloading the game rn it will be my first game like this.
@@emilcioran7444 be ready to sink 3k hours in a year. Welcome exile!
to deep for a community. if you have no idea about it and google it? the world is a simple place and need easy things poe-like is more accessible. no hate think simple
@@emilcioran7444 POE 1 and POE 2 are two completely different games when it comes to early content... POE2 has alot of tutorials and the skill system is very beginner friendly there.
POE1 You might feel lost 25 mins after you start. Just a heads-up :) I hope you like it, but don't feel discouraged if you don't like POE1 at first :)
They're all just rogue likes. 😂 Diablo 1 was literally modeled on moria
8:15 the thing that’s lame about that tweet is that he’s implying that PoE’s existence is a dig on the Diablo franchise. I’m sure that the devs of PoE worship the original Diablo games and would admit to being incredibly inspired by them, but D4 and the monetization stuff is what’s making people go the other way.
8:10 POE2 looks more "Diablolike" than D4 itself. They clearly strayed from the formula...
D3--D4 is the ex who broke up with you to "reinvent" herself and ended up doing fent until they're an unrecognizable mess. D2--POE--POE2 is that dorky girl from high school who you catch up with years later to find she's now an absolute babe who can still beat you at Smash.
@@christianalanwilson434 Ain't no way I was unfaithful to d2-poe anyone who played d3+ was a fool
To be fair. I love D4's art style and a couple of other design ideas. There is room for more than one Exile-Like in my library :D
Exiles like you meant to say 😂
yeah, was gonna say, they are just mad that people aren't describing diablo IV as diablo-like
Blizzard: "Don't you guys have wallets?"
Players: "Not for you!"
Blizzard:"This is a Blizzard-like disaster!"
I wish I knew why POE 1 and POE 2 weren't even mentioned at the game awards. They definitely deserve a spot *somewhere*
fr....POE2 is the only game I'm excited about
Maybe since it’s not out yet
Because POE2 is a 2025 game technically
being underated is the best think that hapenned to poe , it made the devs ego not get too inflated , they clearly have way better content pipelines than games like warframe or no man sky
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Few months ago I started tagging all my ARPG games with the custom tag ISO-ARPG on Steam. Grim Dawn, Titan Quest, Van Helsing, Victor Vran, Last Epoch, Warhammer: Inquisitor, Hero Siege, The ascent.. The list goes on and on.
Tried Poe for first time yesterday. Ascended 2 characters. Been playing Diablo 4 since launch and since D1. But they officially have lost a customer until they step it up. Had more fun yesterday than I have in 6 months.
Wait till you get to mapping!
Glad to have you over here exile
Welcome to the Masochism Degen Club!
Wait until you realize there is no end game... You can't even pvp. It's literally just endless pve that only exists simply to justify the endless pve loop.
Great idea, in theory. Horrible execution.
POE is excellent
Welcome, exile! You will be taken care of over here :)
One of the things that has really impressed me about PoE2's footage so far... is the movement. There he is, talking about "Diablo-like" aRPGs; I have been longing for YEARS for aRPGs to finally move beyond the shadow of Diablo 1 and actually do something new with the control scheme. The "1 click to rule them all" gameplay was janky and outdated even in Diablo 1, but the snobby aRPG elitists out there absolutely shackled the genre for two decades.
Seeing a warrior with a big tower shield... backing away from the enemy, tactically covering with the shield, dodging sideways, then leaping at the enemy, without seeing a cursor pinging back and forth madly? Breath of fresh air.
You can do all the things mentioned on a mouse also 😂
You needing 4 keybinds to moce instead of an accurate mouseclick isnt whats "held the genre back" whats held the genre back is shit companies like blizzard making bad games like d3 and d4.
Now them having the option to choose is def the right answer. But backing away with a tower shield doesnt make a good game 😂😂😂
@@Odyssey636 look out guys he posted a laughing emoji he must me extra correct
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@@Odyssey636 "You needing 4 keybinds to moce instead of an accurate mouseclick"
An. Accurate. Mouse click. Notice all the conditionals there?
If you're clicking to move, you're not clicking the enemy. If you're clicking to move, you're not clicking anything on the interface. And if you're clicking to move, then your character is brainlessly running to that point - straight at it. No strafing, no dodging, no meandering... just one move command, like a single brainless unit in an RTS, except the unit has no ability to auto-target enemies the way it would in an RTS.
So please, share with the class - how exactly is one click, requiring total usage of the mouse's pointing and clicking capacity in that moment, superior to being able to move freely with one hand... and move the cursor independently with the other?
Please tell us all how the original Doom would have been better if move forward and shoot were both left click, depending on whether you were looking at an enemy.
Spam emojis like a teenage girl all you like - one of the reasons people who don't like aRPGs don't like aRPGs? The elitists turned the genre into an RSI generating mess of visual noise with awful end-game power creep (because it's actually rather difficult to balance a game around gameplay that is 90% left click).
@@Odyssey636 We found him guys! We found him!
That densest player on the planet!
I’m surprised Grim Dawn doesn’t get brought up more in ARPG discussions. Especially as an expansion will be dropping for it relatively soon. One of the most enjoyable ARPG experiences I’ve had in a very long time.
another one?
Fangs of Asterkarn
@synth3ticreality oh i see, i didnt finished the second one lol
Grim dawn is great but no one's talking about it because it's not the topic at hand
It was okay. It's not a bad game by any means. It's just not a great game.
Isn't Rod Ferguson the dude who pushed the direction of Gears 5?
The problem with "Diablo-like" is that it can mean something WILDLY different depending on which Diablo you're saying it's "like".
100% true! xD
Neh, the camera angle and killing tons of monsters moving with the mouse kind of gameplay is the genre, not the mood.
@@niroritwe already have the word ARPG to describe that. Rod's tweet is about Diablo-like as a subset of ARPG
@@arax20 well arpg translate to action rpg. witcher series is an arpg, kingdom of amalur and so on. diablo-like arpg is a subgenre of arpg. maybe looter arpg? idk
bro they are giving me the early access for free because ive been a loyal customer and my cosmetics are carrying over, blizzard hasnt given me a damn thing
I was already an arpg fan but I never played poe. GGG created a LOT of brand loyalty with the carry over move (cosmetics, cache/storage). I will now be jumping into poe2 having never played BECAUSE of this move. Knowing that GGG afforded the fans this carry over, gave me huge interest going forward.
@@HutchinsonJC I have tried POE but it just didnt stick with me. Too wooden, too outdated graphics and animations. I knew the game is great, but id rather watch others play it.
With PoE 2 being so fcking smooth, im going to have time of my life
Blizzard gave me a battlepass I didn’t want to use because I accidentally clicked a button
I've never played Diablo/Path of Exile. I just played Path of Exile 2 for 12PM till 6AM and it's one of the best and most sophisticated games I've ever played.
This is poe2’s first chance
True if it can run on my potato laptop.
Blizzard even dropping a season reset patch for diablo 2 resurrected same day as poe2 the desperation is real
Exile-like
@@waleader626anything before Diablo 4 is just trash and outdated. Blizzard should stick to Overwatch and WoW development and just sell off Diablo to another company
Actually true.
What did it for me was crafting honestly, my uncle introduced me to Diablo and still have the disks as many of us do. Looking at the math on the stats and having "availability of crafting" is what hit me to buy this game. I just enjoy games for what they are. In all fairness both good franchises and you said it best "not my chair not my problem"
Diablo like? Sure, maybe 20 years ago.
not today
it would make sense if it was a diablo 2 like, which PoE fits, but diablo 3 and 4 dont
@@malonysaintpierre1599not even close to d2 stop joking around
@puru721 poe is the true sucessor of d2
@@puru721 David Brevik who made D1 and 2 seems to think that GGG are his real successors, who are you to gainsay him?
@@wanderer5766 which part similar to d2?dig ur brain up bro? Who are you trying to be Smart?😂
"Diablo- Like " should be normalized to mean "half baked , underdeveloped , mediocre" game
WoW's success made them lazy
@@bovineavenger734Just like GTAV made Rockstar lazy.
Zelda is the original action RPG and blizzard failed to do something more like diablo 1 that an MMO did before wow.
Everquest, so good they made a ps2 game that is the best ARPG in modern time .
Before that was Baulders Gate Dark Alliance, same engine basically but for me. That is the definition of an ARPG.
like baldomort said its a click like with what blizzard makes.
I have so many years in diablo 2 and I prefer diablo 1 which btw is just a copy of zelda with better graphics and not a semi-open world like zelda 2.
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez nah we should just be honnest about that, there is a "diablo like" formula indeed, which is way more "diablo like" than the other arpgs. (I played zelda too, its my childhood) but its nothing like the (diablo formula). When you play POE diablo comes to your mind imediatly, its a copy paste of the diablo design(health ball left, mana ball right, same classes, same map, same sounds , same enemies, same game design, same UI, same everything. But its nothing like a Zelda for exemple, except being an Arpg... So to summarize it, yes Blizzard fall apart, yes diablo 3 and 4 are jokes. But NO we shouldnt exagerate things more that it already is by going backward to discredit the whole Diablo Era. Just remember that 1st time you started that creepy Diablo 1 campaign in the forest and that scary sound (Tristram) started, so going for neardy arguments of "I know another arpg which also got an inventory and a sword back in the 90th" is a bit too much and doesnt sound right to me, the "diablo like formula" exist and we wouldnt have poe without diablo. There are other famous copy pasts to diablo btw, like Grim dawn or Last epoch who literally uses the exact same recipe
just because diablo 4 fucked up doesn't mean diablo 1 and 2 didn't put great foundation. After all poe1 was done as love letter to diablo 2.
D4 devs have nothing to complain about. They literally put out a tweet a couple weeks into season 6 asking "should we fix the game or leave it until next season" (re: spiritborn) instead of doing what any other game developer would do and FIX THE DAMN GAME. So basically 5 of the classes were (and still are) completely worthless in season 6. As of this post they still have done nothing.
Whole mid season nerfs and buffs is horrible way for ARPG season
Making core game decisions by twitter polls just show how much clueless about gaming development they are.
I learned this lesson in season 0. Nice to see deleting the game aged well
@@harhatoxic8271 Sure thing buddy. Tell that to all the players who quit because they have no interest in playing spiritborn. Every season has been defined by 100x plus imbalance between classes. The incompetence is staggering.
The only thing that kept D4 even remotely interesting and fun for a time (I quit a few weeks ago now) is how broken Spiritborn are. Otherwise their classes are incredibly weak, slow and boring. D4 is a flop, through and through. An entire expansion didn't add ANY end-game worth doing. No new end-game bosses to farm. No interesting, fun or engaging end-game content to farm. Kurast Undercity or whatever is all we got and it's a joke lol.
I think the biggest problem is that the bigger companies get the divide between gamers and corporation profiteering widens.
I feel like any game company that can avoid doing so should NOT go public.
The moment they go public they just become another profit machine that has to churn numbers each quarter to appease investors who care little about what the game is, what it does, and how fun it is. They just want quick instant cash even if it means the game will burn tomorrow they can cash out today and that's all that matters.
I used to love Star Wars games but all the big name brand game companies ruined them. I haven't played them in a decade.
Knights of the Old Republic was one of my favorite games.
I thing for me the biggest hype for any game in my life would be if Lauren Studios (who made Baldur's Gate III, who happens to be a private company) made KOTOR III.
I feel like they could 100% do it, 100% make it fun, 100% stick to the turn based genre and give it a story and plot that would turn heads.
One can dream, no doubt Disney would find a way to **** it up anyways even if it did happen.
Yea Blizzard clearly stopped caring years ago. They just make these games because they are a cooperation, they don't make them because they enjoy it and want to make a masterpiece... I don't know what people expected when activision partnered with them..
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By the way, this Rod Fergusson was the same guy who ruined Gears Of War franchise, he took control of the franchise from GoW 4 and since then the franchise has never been the same.
Holy shit... thats why GoW up to 3 were absolutely insane... crazy. GoW 3 is one of my most played multiplayer game of all time. Only Blizzard would hire a guy like that.
I have many friends that liked Diablo 3, hated Diablo 4 but were intimidated by the learning curve and general clunkiness of PoE 1, so they never picked it up even if it I knew they would have liked the endgame. After the reveal stream, they all bought the early access for PoE 2. Blizzard is right to be scared.
Man i would still go back to D3 before D4, shit was omega boring. (I only played at launch, uninstalled bnet long before S1)
I've never played D4, I dipped out after D3 but if the general consensus is that D3>D4 I can see why Blizzard is in trouble.
@@ItsPinkay D3ROS was quite a decent game and experience for what it was, credit where credit is due.
I mean, the term "EXILE-LIKE" game or so makes much sense since the game is quite unique at its genre.
Same thing goes with escape from tarkov, ppl use "tarkov-like" game or so for extraction/realism FPS game.
not half of Ascendencies, in EA we have only 2 for each class (6х2=12), while in release it was 3 for each class (12х3=36)
I'm ok to call POE diablo-like since it's based on diablo 2 but we should also call Diablo 4 garbage-like
PoE1 is the spiritual successor to Diablo 2 which makes it the true Diablo 3. This in result makes PoE2 the true Diablo 4.
Kinda ironic how a Diablo4 head dev wants to push "diablo-like" when their own game has the least in common with Diablo 2.
But current blizzard doesn’t deserve the recognition for an entire genre to be named after one of their titles from 25 years ago. The Diablo-like moniker is based off a game blizzard made long before vivendi or activision came along.
@@echoesofmalachor3700 True. Could Call it Blizzard North-like or something. It's clunky but literally anything is better than giving credit to current day Blizz.
@@TH-camAccountok I don’t think most people would have an issue with D2-Like
@@KazaiTV PoE1 didn't feel close to D2. It felt closer to D3 where you deleted screens.
Blizzard: Thank you marketing team, now that we have sold millions of copies we can start developing the game
GGG: Thank you dev team, now that we have a game we can make it available to the entire community and start the marketing campaign without predatory monetization
more like a triple size giga game with the price of free
@@BARDI77 totally, which shows GGG's better market vision.
I live in Brazil and to play Diablo 4 + expansion it costs almost 1/4 of the minimum wage, but even though money is not a problem, the return on investment/entertainment/hours in PoE 2 does not even need to be calculated in comparison
@@MrFabiogarcia D4, especialy with the DLC class is finishable in a week. After that, there is NOTHING to do, as you 1-shot all the content but high-level Pits.
And yes, there is no reason to do high-level pits other than personal challenge. Nothing else waits for you in this game. I learned that hard way.
I'm honestly not a fan of either game. But on PoE, I find it silly how much the game forced me to buy things with real money.
@@petersirota5124 Well, I always say that there is no such thing as a free game, they are companies and not charities and they will need to make money at some point, with PoE 2 it is the old school system of creating the problem to sell the solution.
Even so, GGG does not do it in a predatory way, once you buy the solution the problem is solved, and you can deal with the problem without spending for a loooong period of time, it is not per character, for a limited time or per season, it is permanent.
Blizzard dropped the "Diablo like" from they're Diablo games long ago, D4 closer resembles a Destiny like now with they're live service progression model and balancing
Blizzard lost the rights to that title a long time ago, about 2012.
Lets call it diablo-like, just to remind ourselves that basically every game dev is able to do a good diablo like, EXCEPT the original creator of diablo. Which is kinda hilarious to me.
They are not the original creators of diablo, that's the funny part. All the people left Blizzard after Diablo 2. So D3 and D4 are just Diablo in name (IP) ONLY.
Every gamer friend I know have been calling games like this 'diablo-like' already. It is no secret. Rod Fergusson is so out of touch he doesn't know this. And the gall to make a statement like that..
@KazaiTV yea i know i meant blizzard cant make one
@@ddenozorI think after the failures of D3 and D4, people have, at least in my experience, tended to go with just calling them arpgs. Arpg has pretty much become synonymous with "Diablo-like" even though there would be many more types of games that could fall under that umbrella.
People have already been saying "Diablo clone" about ARPG games for a very long time. Kinda weird that the head of Diablo doesn't even know that.
Why should he? He doesn't even know what Diablo is.
nah, just goes to show you head of Diablo's unqualified.
@@wight4991 (*she), He doesn't even know who Diablo is(her).
The USED to call them that. Once PoE got a foothold, people stopped calling it that as there was a legit contender. Case and point, no one has called PoE a "diablo clone" in almost a decade.
I have started seeing people say pathlike more lol
PoE has a major obstacle here in the EU. Their providers seem to be from rather exotic suppliers and every day, at prime time, you get lag, dropped frames and whatnot. Blizzard seems to have purchased more bandwidth and while PoE starts to rubberband, give you 10+ seconds of frozen screen and then some fast action, Battlenet runs smooth as silk with no noticeable delays.
Diablo started as a genre defining game. Now, it's failing so hard that the kids in the next generation will think it's copying off of Path of Exile. Honestly, it would be way better if they did. POE is leagues ahead of D4, and POE2 looks even better.
Maybe try a bit harder, Blizzard, instead of hating games that are better?
The fact that Blizzard thinks they are the center of attention is halarious 😂.
The fact that everybody seems to talk about them kind of proves they are, no matter how ugly it is.
they kinda are since everyone keeps bringing them up when they don't have to
@@Neriehemthey are the center of attention as one of the leading laughingstocks of the industry
I mean how can anyone forget that class clown?
@@Neriehemit’s a lot of negative attention , when you have a company who was recognized as breaking records, creating higher standards and most importantly: “making good games” it’s hard not to talk about them when they completely 180 and start losing practically everything they were known for.
As a long time diablo player - I am really looking forward to POE2
edit for grammar; bunch a jokesters here I see-)
pillars of eternity 2
@@t2av159no
Me too brother
how long we talking, like 7, 8 inches?
@@spazalicious5208 nah he said diablo player. So its like 2 inches... 💀
Diablo 4 is a fine game, it's far from perfect but people are overhating the game by a mile because well, Blizzard is Blizzard.
I got it on sale a year after release and had alot of fun going through the main storyline.
It's a beautiful game visually, the ambiance is dark and gruesome like the old Diablos, the voice acting is great, the gameplay is engaging(as much as a hack and slash can be), the stories are interesting for the most part.
POE and Diablo franchises have diverged ALOT, not the same TA. That was clear when D3 came out. Are Blizzard greedy as hell and take questionnable decisions? Yeah for sure but is Diablo 4 objectively a terrible game? Far from it. Expectations are always up the roof and that's no surprise.
Man, Blizzard devs consistently find a deeper pit of shit they can open their mouths from the bottom of.
This reminds me of Blizz con when Diablo Immortal was announced (DO YOU GUYS NOT HAVE PHONES?!). All the Diablo players swarmed to Betrayal league. It was glorious. Then the Einhar voice line added later really hammered it home (Do you not have nets, Exile?!). History repeats itself!
The funniest part of the PoE 1 graph is the double spike. Spike 1 for the reveal, Spike 2 for the launch
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True, unless you're like me and manage to hit a mageblood shiny early in a league and make your entire clan quit out of the leader getting jealous.
Wild asf.
"Every single item in the game is freely available to trade with other players. We never lock ANYTHING to your account. Oh, except for gold."
I will never, ever, ever play anything by Blizzard again.
Case in point, when Bungie was considering allowing player trade, they had the brilliant idea to ASK BLIZZARD. Blizzard advised them not to, so they didn't.
Cue multiple videos of watching people destroy extra copies of raid-only gear that they could not trade because of this decision.
One of the MAIN reasons I continue to play Path to this day is that I can farm anything, and sell it for currency. And, with enough currency, buy any other item. It might take forever, but I can do it.
Player to player trade is probably THE most important thing to me. Path has understood that since Day. Fucking. One.
I still vividly remember the days of trading on the beach outside of act1 town. Each player drops his item and runs to the other one, and the distance has to be exactly 8 sarnian yards, if it's too close the other guy might pick up both items if he's fast enough, and if it's too far and and his character is a lot faster he'll pick both up again
With trade system enabled lots of players are going to buy items from botfarms, which ruins the economy in weeks.
@@D00RYA poe has had free trade for like 12 years. Hasn't ruined anything for me, only made it better.
@@sadoxprkl It Has positive and negative sides. People like me cant hold back. I dont have much time to Play, but i have much money to spend. So i think "instead of wasting 30h of my time, ill pay and get the Item". Then i find out i purchased most of my gear, and there is barely anything i can do at this game anymore because im fully geared and lack rabbits to chase. Yeah im autistic af
@@D00RYA The way I see it, as long as it isn't hurting the game overall, as in - the average player, some players having no self control is strictly a personal issue. In a way, it's even a good thing because it removes powerful items from the market, slowing down its saturation later in the league.
The problem people usually have with pay2win in all forms isn't that some people get geared too easily, the problem is on the other end, it's that gearing for free intentionally takes way too long. PoE doesn't have that problem, if you know how you can buy whatever, and even those that suck at it or just don't have the time have a big selection of capable builds that pretty much work on chaos fumes.
POE and warframe are keeping the whole non-mmo live service PVE formula alive
PoE yes, Warfame not so much. Warframe gets old quick.
I just deleted my Battlenet account after 22 years. Never looking back ! F Blizzard! They forget everything they stand for.
Battlenet is the worst platform i have EVER seen. At 67% D4 download drops to 10kb/s and u gotta download it like that for 1 GB. Then it jumps back to your speed. Takes whole night with PC left on download to install it. Lots of people share this problem with battlenet launcher, and they NEVER fucking did anything about that.
@@D00RYA I never have much of an issue, once I removed the artificial limiters in the settings menu.
@@Shiirow Didnt work for me. And for many, as i scroll through google pages
@@D00RYA lol time to change provider hahaha no issues , my average download speed when downloading from them always 50mb/s + lol
I can't even comprehend that they're going to add 6 new starting classes and that all classes will have 3 ascendancies. As a non poe1 player and previously a diablo enjoyer, the game as it is currently feels way more in depth with the class system alone compared to d3 or d4.
Not spamming "D4 bad" challenge difficulty: Impossible.
D4 bad
D4 bad
Not spamming "Grass is green" challenge difficulty: impossible.
D4BAD
D4 and D3 bad
PoE2: Released on December 6, 2024.
Blizzard: We need to NERF it. Too much content, it’s overcomplicated. We need to NERF all characters; too many characters. We need to NERF skill VFX; it’s too realistic, it’$ not fun.
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*BOYCOT* is the Word of the Year for Video Gamers in 2024. If you don't understand that, you will suffer more disappointments for Video Games.
@@AszkalonOfVerrawhy is the word glowing
@@ninja_karbo6135 Just do the " * "-Sign before and after a Word. 😉 the Word will be written thicc (lol). Same as the " _ " turns the Words into written as cursive. 😎
3 more acts, 6 more classes, 24 more ascendancies probably even more endgame content in full release
20:36 Yes Elon played D3 actually. There was a video of it.
I think we all have 1 or 2 steam friends who we just CONSTANTLY see, for like the last 10 years, in Path of Exile. And that's had a huge effect, and now that we'll all get the chance to start fresh together, I anticipate this launch to certifiably insane.
& I'm in favor of 'poe-like' (like Edgar Allan Poe) as an ARPG synonym lol
Darth Microtransaction's response to that tweet was pretty hilarious/savage.
Man Exile like goes SO hard
especially when the Diablo dev guy says not to call diablo like games that don't resemble diablo. Basically giving his own permission without realizing it haha
In russian all of these games are called "Diabloids" btw
you can invite 2 friends to play along with you in poe 2 for the same price
as the long Johnson mount in wow for 90$
one took 6 years development by a team and cost 30$
the other took 1 person 2 days... and cost 90$
Blizzard could of had monopoly over the genre but dropped the ball so hard over d3, d4 was their last chance at redemption and they failed even harder 🤣
The main reason i left diablo 3 to path of exile was obviusly that blizzard dident care about their games anymore, and path of exile is just superior in every way!
Yeah same for me. After I realized that whirlwind barb will remain as the only playable class and build until RoS comes out, I switched. And D3 remained in this sorry state for almost a year. And now we have literally the same situation with D4 and spiritborn. No content, no balance and the little stuff that's actually good can't keep me interested. Blizzard and the Diablo franchise didn't change one bit in the past 12 years. Thank God PoE1 and PoE2 exist.
Except accesibility to new players. I mean D3 was bad, but it was new player friendly while PoE is good but it is not new player friendly (at all). PoE 2 seems to improve on that tho which is great.
I never noticed a difference in the diablo 3 seasons, a class usually only had one build that was ok to run... boring. Then poe on the otherhand had so much more to offer. The only thing was back then I needed time to understand the systems
The delayed introduction of the Armoury feature in D4 is a valid point of critique, especially for a game launched by a studio with as much experience as Blizzard. Features like an armoury-allowing players to easily switch between gear setups and skill builds-are considered essential quality-of-life elements in modern ARPGs. Given that similar systems existed in Diablo 3, players expected this from day one in D4, especially in a game designed around diverse builds and frequent respecs.
The late addition likely frustrated players who spent countless hours manually swapping gear and reconfiguring builds, detracting from the fun of experimentation and fluid play. For a live-service game like D4, this kind of oversight can alienate its core audience, especially when competing games like Path of Exile 2 prioritize such conveniences and ensure they’re part of the foundational experience.
While it's good that Blizzard eventually implemented the feature, its absence at launch feels like a missed opportunity to establish D4 as a polished and modern ARPG from the get-go. Combined with other criticisms, like limited endgame content and class imbalances, it's understandable why many players might look toward POE 2 as a more thoughtfully crafted alternative.
Not even half of the classes actually. Every class will have 3 ascendancy classes, but the 6 at the start of early access will only have 2 of those. So it's going to be 6 more ascendancy classes, and then 6 more classes with 3 each for a 18 more ascendancies by the full release.
Blizzard trying to steal other companies thunder is absolutely nothing new. I just thought they’d stopped for a time.
Everybody is gonna play PoE2 .. Blizzard is gonna play themselves ...
lol. Nice.
Blizzard just needs to acknowledge that they are better at making movies than they are at making video games at this point. Best part of the D4 was the cutscenes and it's what got me through the game, and why me and so many other people dropped the game as soon as they beat the campaign and saw all the cutscenes.
Bro I swear cut scenes are the only good thing Blizzard has done in many many years now, they should legit just make a badass fantasy TV show done in their animated art style everyone knows them for. It would be cool
Blizzard's targert audience for D4 is the complete opposite of PoEs tho but who cares right
GGG understands their player base, they know the majority will play for a month and then be done with their personal goals, and they're fine with it, they respect the fact that everyone has something else they wanna play, and if you don't, well, there's a bunch of content to explore
Regarding first tweet: We in Russia here call every ARPG game Diabloid
Never thought when PoE came out in early access that PoE would outclass Diablo series in the future, holy
I did since day 1. Diablo has never been a good game. Even d2 is trash when u look back at the systems. The damn potion system alone is one of the worst design decisions ive ever seen😂
I know man , I stop playing it even for a few years. But came back in 2020, I'm ashamed I left lol
@@Odyssey636 Spoken like someone who only remembers last week.
@@buffydaslayaD2 is archaic game design, cope.
@@Odyssey636brother Diablo 2 is 24 years old show some respect to your elders we wouldn’t have Poe 2 if d2 didn’t exist
"..am i out of touch?"
"No, it's the customers who are wrong"
sounds like uBisoft before falling
D3 was already bad, act 1 in beta was great, afterwards it was designed to milk his audience and boring, it still felt smaller than D2. D4 didnt even touch.
>Riot winning with Arcane and League
>GGG winning with PoE2
>Marvel Rivals looming over Overwatch
I wonder if people at blizzard are having a meltdown
It'll get worse when the riot MMO comes back from the drawing board looming over them like the shadow of death.
Obvously PoE has been called a sequel too Diablo 2. However PoE is now changing the industry into it's own genre and thus "PoE Like" does make sense. Especially when they now have WASD, dodge, active block, weapon swap and then providing so many fresh ideas for ARPGs in design choices. It's come a long way from "Diablo Like".
In my opinion- Blizzard should just pull their heads out their ass and do better. They can do better, they do not seem like they put enough hard work, thought or care into their games anymore.
That happens when you get greedy, start cutting costs at all corners and then you jump onto the ESG money train and replace all your talent with garbage DEI hires over many years. Now their studio just like many others is completely fked.
I think you should be explaining to newer players that if they play on standard to learn mechanic of the game, It would help them play better and not depend heavily on the market no mater how bad the trade values get. It would incentivize them to try new build look into other mechanics and get deeper into the game?