TONS of Detail to Go with UNMATCHED Stability! | DJI Ronin 4D 8K Review
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Two years after it was promised, the DJI Ronin 4D 8K has finally arrived! Jordan Drake will guide you through his thoughts on the Ronin 4D system, and the specifics of the new 8K sensor!
Special thanks to Levi Holwell for shooting 8K test footage.
Rental equipment provided by The Camera Store
0:00 - Intro
1:43 - Stability
2:27 - LiDAR
3:11 - Control Wheel
3:41 - Downsides
4:34 - Image Quality
6:41 - Should you buy it? - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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I really hope that DJI makes a video camera in between the Pocket 3 and this… larger than a 1 inch sensor, but not as big and heavy as the 4D. A ‘Mavic 3’ version of this concept.
Yeah, I'd be happy with something like an APS-C sensor on a gimbal with a Pocket 3 style control scheme and a similar fixed lens, so it's closer to a normal ILC in size than the pocket 3, but lacks all the cinema-rig extra bells and whistles the Ronin 4D series has to still largely be a vertical shaft you can hold in one hand for reasonable periods of time and won't stick out too much.
Gotta say, there’s nobody like you and Chris. Really the best at breaking this stuff down while keeping it fun. Happy New Year!
That's Jordan
@@Aviciiz Are we sure it’s not Gordon?
I'm still waiting for a normal DJI FF mirrorless camera with L Mount
They still figuring out the AF systems 😉
That's my goal for my next personal camera.
Won't ever come. They are just doing camera + gimbal and drone, doesn't make any sense to go to saturated market.
Also DJI owns Hasselblad, so they actually covers many sensors from big to small
@@trym2121 my thoughts exactly!! What's the point of competing in that front??
It'll come because DJI plans to bury canon, sony, panasonic, fuji, nikon, blackmagic and Olympus. They coming for everyone. GoPro is already dead, the 360 people never should have tried and the giants are too slow to react. @@trym2121
Amazing hosting here from Jordan, he seems way more comfortable on camera than a few years ago
Are you sure about this? Jordan is making these kind of videos for at least 9 years, including some pretty good acting in the various Wooden Nickels films he and Chris created. He has always been quite comfortable.
Also some ALL-CAPITALS to go with ARBITRARY Capitals!
Awesome & Thanks :)
Hey! I have a pretty good bit of experience with the 6K version of this camera and they sell a cable for $1500 that allows you to put most of the weight in a backpack. It's actually worth the $1500. Unfortunately I changed jobs and don't get to use it. The thing nobody talked about but I VERY much discovered is the prime lenses they sold with it were... bad. No close focusing and the autofocus was hit and miss. I bought the e-mount adapter and put the Sony 24mm GM on it and.... maybe one of the best cameras I've ever touched. I miss it!
Could you guys please make a video comparison of the popular point and shoot cameras? I know they are no longer popular but it is nice to know what option do you still have in 2024. I really like point and shoot for their convenience, but it seems like nobody talks about them anymore.
Looks like Jordan was having fun...8k is only a dream for me.
Perfect Vlog camera😂
Those Ronin gimbals really give dinosaur/chicken neck vibes.
Great overview Jordan! Recently while talking to Stalman, you mentioned the 8K 4D has the same sensor as the Canon R5C. I had to play it back to make sure that's what I heard. Can you confirm this is true? Thanks brother! 🍻
Don't think that's what they meant. Canon makes its own sensors and DJI uses Sony or something iirc. They may have meant the same resolution or something.
I was curious about that too as I watched the podcast with stalman. I thought I heard that it has the R5C sensor
@@ts76751 Totally, which is why I requested clarity. These other commenters obviously didn't see that interview.
Ah, the perfect vlogging camera. FF version of DJI pocket
right? haha. The DJI Backpack
I've been holding off on getting this camera due to the extremely limited lens choices available, particularly for shooters like me who specialize in shooting with anamorphic lenses. But now that we have the Nanomorphs, Sirui Saturns, and Blazar Remus lenses that work on this, and the Flex system with the dedicated Tilta cage, it's time to pull the trigger❤❤❤
I run it with Nisi Athena's and it's a dream
@@CrimzonRX Nice! Those are great spherical lenses.
Unfortunately, there aren't too many options for anamorphic lenses on this thing. We do have some decent options with the Sirui Saturn, Laowa Nanomorph, and Blazar Remus sets, and maybe some lighter, smaller scope options, but that's about it. Really limited.
Hopefully, we can get a Mark II version in the near future with a much stronger, more powerful gimbal head that allows for a wider lens selection.
Agreed! We will likely see more carbon fiber type anamorphics in the future as the process matures, but on the meantime I shoulder laowa proteus on it with lens support :)
Don't forget you aren't forced to use the gimbal, it's a camera too :)
@@CrimzonRX Yes, I know, but that kind of defeats the entire purpose of the thing.
I'm buying it specifically for the z-axis functionality (as well as the all-in-one nature of it). I already have access to other cinema cameras that I can put my current anamorphic lenses on.
@AfoteyAnnum I see your point of view, and I do hear that a lot, but I disagree, as it's a camera with a gimbal, not a gimbal with a camera.
The image coming out of this hits on par with cams well above its price point. If you own other cams, for sure I'd say run what makes sense, but as a solo op/ if this is your a cam, there's no downside to using it as a normal camera, with the flex it's actually way lighter to run massive anamorphic than the Venice 2 and rialto 2 or any non flex like system.
The color science and lowlight are stellar
The Defarted by Martim Scrosese is the best movie ever.
i farted
Yes they are relieved
Awesome. Hey when is the first pod of the year up ?
Tomorrow!
@@thatjordandrake hooray!
Are you going to review the Canon RF200-800mm F6.3-9 IS USM? I know you don't do a lot of super telephotos, but I was just curious given its price point and Canon now providing competition to the Sony, Nikon, and Sigma.
please review good camera bags with brands that we have never heard before
Thanks for the great video, as per usual Jordan (aka “The Sexy Tall One” - 2024’s the year we all make that tag stick!) I think what this new sensor and video really underscores is the degree to which DJI isn’t kidding around insofar as this is a camera focused squarely for the use in professional industry work - much like the Inspire 3.
Sure, a few well off individuals and better performing TH-cam channels will be able to buy one, but it’s simple not a tool meant for run-and-gun solo or small operator outfits. Even small- to medium-sized wedding videography channels aren’t likely going to really benefit from everything this camera brings to the table versus what else is available for the same investments. This is a tool that it’s expected you will now be bringing to sets with reasonably sized crews that are controlling many shot variables and can provide shooting supports.
Since it’s first release, DJI has provided the accessories, tools and now sensor upgrades to make it competitive to systems such as the Sony Venice. That’s the sort of camera that they’re looking to compete with here, and it’s now disingenuous to put them up against mirrorless hybrid systems or FX3s.
If you want a great breakdown of the versatility that the DJI Ronin 4d 8K now offers filmmakers, I recommend checking out @BestBoyAdam’s great videos on it - starting with this one: th-cam.com/video/GwtNFn-y1DA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rezd2bEa7cRrPzzu
Well yeah, I agree with you in everything you said except one thing... It is a great camera for small crews. In our case we are used of shooting films and TV shows for companies like HBO and Warner so we normally end up bringing more than 60 people to the productions. Last year we started a personal project for one of my partners and we didn´t much money available so we decided to get the Ronin 4D and do a full feature with only six people, it worked so well (even when it was the first iteration of firmware and not all the accesories were available at the time) that I decided to take it too to the other productions because we can cut a lot of time, extra equipment and bring a smaller crew.
@@sergiosanchez2012yeah this is aimed squarely at the "pro creator" market. It's too expensive and niche to justify as a hobby, but if you're making even modest amounts of money with it, $13K for a kit seems pretty reasonable (an R5C with gimbal and lens, etc is going to be close to the same price). This is a great "batteries included" setup for a small crew trying to make professional looking video. The big sets are using far more complicated and expensive ARRI rigs most likely.
@@JMurph2015 All productions, even big ones are looking to reduce crew sizes and run more efficiently. I normally work for studios and all I´ve talked with are looking for ways to cut corner. Productions in the unionized system are getting so expensive in the last years that it´s almost impossible to shoot. We now have less hours to shoot, actors doesnt want to wait and big heavy equipment require more time to setup and more people to operate. So you´ll be seeing more little cameras like this on big productions since they offer a lot of stuff the expensive ones, doesnt have.
There should be a Dji RS 4 with this camera on Top
You say it is heavy to carry and the batteries are heavy. There is the solution right there. Build a levered arm going over your shoulder, with the ronin in front and the spare batteries in the back. You now have a perfectly balanced system with little to no muscular tension.
Send inquiries to levered arm technologies and we will do a fundraiser for a prototype.
Roughly how much time did you actually get out of each battery?
60-80 minutes depending on ambient temperature. The important thing to remember is startup time is quite slow, so you tend to keep it running.
Jordan's face in that thumbnail scares me
Is it me or is the video sometimes micro stuttering/lagging a bit and then it works sometimes really good? I'm watching with Chrome at 4k. I have seen this issue with other youtube videos as well especially with drone footage where there are lots of moving parts and someone is panning..
That's why 60 fps is the master of all framerates because it's actually smooth unlike 30 fps or less which is jittery with rolling shutter isues and blurry when panning
@@kylekaiser9525 sometimes even with 60fps it feels like most of the frames are okay but some are "broken"..
@@kylekaiser9525 but of course you really need to focus to see those moments..
5kg and $13k... I want one even despite the fact I don't record video 😂
Weigh in fellow filmmakers: Would you rather go with a Ronin 4D 8K or a Komodo X?
Ronin
Chris whining, "You just said it was so heavy..." Laugh out loud funny!!!
Sounds like you're saying this is better than my Osmo Pocket 3 😆
It is. That thing is FF version of pocket 3 with extra feature, changing lens
It seems amazing at first, but the concept of this camera is actually quite confusing - it's too heavy to be used handheld, and if you use a support system, then the gimbal doesn't make a lot of difference. I think that's why I've never seen anyone use this camera regularly, at least on youtube.
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Either that or sony a9iii with gimbal for less price and no rolling shutter at all and with AA filter. Gerald Undone recently showed that dynamic range is decent in a9iii despite the global shutter.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. The A9III won't do ProRes or resolutions higher than 4K, or shoot to inexpensive external SSDs, or (with paid upgrade) internal RAW, or shoot in anything but 16:9 aspect ratios, the gimbal you get won't have vertical stabilisation, and the 4D won't be able to take photos, or use CFExpress A cards, or have no rolling shutter. These are two different devices for two different situations and while there is some featureset overlap, it's disingenuous to even attempt to compare them.
Edited to add more things that separate the cameras
@@nachosjustice8928 I specified that I meant the rolling shutter issue
Wish the had just the camera as a separate option.
5KG is insane weight. Essentially useless without an easyrig. Been testing 2KG kit and it’s challenging, and more than doubling that weight would be insanely punishing.
I'm still waiting for DJI to put their apps properly on the Google Play store instead of the shady direct download stuff that they have going on
Do you think my crush at work will think I can afford this camera if she catches me watching the video?
Yes. You gotta also use director seat and clothings
What the heck is a Plena?
The Nikon z mount 135mm f1.8 named lens like the noct (50ty something f0.95) which is heavy a f
The Lore is deep on this one. Begins with dpreviewtv era, Nikon Noct.
A previous video introduced Plena lens as their new weight measurement. 995 grams, 0.995 KG, 2.2 LBS. So if you are from standard unit lands, you can essentially approximate 1 KG ~= 1 Plena.
5 kilos for $13k, thats one heck of a deal 👃🏻
looks like a transformer ;)
I lost count the number of articles and videos that listed the 4D as an abandoned camera, literally just because it didn't get an update within a year of release. For what you get it's a fairly compact system, it will be interesting to see people use the new version's perks outside just 8k that, well, if we're being honest, would never be honest for most content. By the time videos are processed and compressed multiple times, then scaled down for most desktop or phone viewing, the majority of viewers for TH-cam stuff will never see any quality bonuses past maybe 2k60.
Chicken head camera 2.0
This camera feels like an industry plant of cameras. I can't imagine anyone purchasing this.
I highly recommend renting one, but I will say you will want all of your current cameras listed for sale, since once you use the ronin there's really no going back.
@@Mcskittelybiscuts Sounds like what someone who uses a gimbal on every shot would say. This just seems useless, cumbersome, and slow to use in a real shoot.
@@MarkusFinholtOh, I did not know that real shoots were just what you think they are 😊
We bow to your Galaxy Brain Gatekeeping Take.
(They've sold enough of them to subsidize the development of the platform beyond the first hardware rev.)
I like that there's an idea of an unreal shoot to you. It's real if you get paid. This thing is a huge time saver and it's cheaper than its competition. If you can do more with less, do it. I don't know your needs though, for all I know you walk into a room with a 360 camera and call it done, in that case yes this would be slow and cumbersome in comparison. To each his own. @@MarkusFinholt
@@MarkusFinholt it´s the oppossite... Shot a show last year with two C500 mII both cameras had an operator and 2 assistants each, it took 15 to build them to start shooting... With the ronin you just take it out of the bag and you´re ready to go with 1 person. Mount the rails and bringing out the fischer dolly out of the truck and bring it to the second floor of the location then mounting the C500 take 4 people and 25min. Ronin 4D just one guy and we didn´t have to bring anything else or pay for extra equipment.
The camera can be remotely operated too if you get the wireless monitor and you can unplug the sensor and connect it to the camera body like a rialto. So for running shots inside cars we didnt´t have to use the heavy and complicated car rigs, just a small suction cup to the wind shield or sunroof and you are ready in 5min and you can easily pan tilt and focus from another vehicle with no hassles. All that runs with a singel battery. So it saves a lot of time and the need of extra crew and equipment on set.
All good but for what type of work you can actually use such expensive equipment? It’s a grate Chinese invention but without actual functionality considering the price. To expensive and to heavy for weeding video productions and not enough for big 'million' dollars advertising campaigns. For indie film artists also expensive considering you can achieve all top quality with equipment for friction of the price of this tool.
First hehe
maybe read a little bit about audiio's business ethics first.
What an amazing camera, that you never hear about. Whose fault is that? Standardization? Lens Mount? Accessories from 3rd party? It is expensive, but if you want to do something elsewhere, costs could be more. I think for it can do it is pretty cool. But for most of us, do we want it, or do we care? Nope. But for those who can take adavantage of it. Could be a dream made in heaven. Those who just drink the TH-cam Kool Aid like fools with $13,000.00 to blow and not understand, of course you know there is at least one. This will be a fail. Overall for most this is an awesome so what camera. I get the concept but will never buy.
I said this on Sam Holland's review but this is zombie tech; AI will kill gimbals in very short order.
Nah. There are a lot of things that are very difficult to correct in post (or even with conventional lens/body IS). For example lens flare is very sensitive to jostling and can't be controlled with IBIS or in post (lens IS can partially control it).