Except a Chinese company doesn’t have to make a profit in the traditional sense. The Chinese government subsidizes them, so they can undercut western company prices, thus destabilizing western economies. It’s just another version of warfare for them. They let western companies innovate and engineer, then contract with Chinese manufacturers, who then reverse engineer it and then sell the stolen product for less. It’s why they always sucker everyone into building cars, computer chips and aircraft in China. So they can steal innovations.
I'll repeat what I said on another channel: the EDS-OX costs almost the same as an electronic GX, and SRAM is going to release the S-1000, which is supposed to be even cheaper. The point is that SRAM has technical support anywhere in the world, and spare parts and stocks spread around the world. In addition to videos and manuals teaching maintenance in detail, where you can find specifications for everything, even the torque of each screw. On the other hand, the EDS-OX does not have spare parts in stock, it does not have trained mechanics, it does not have video tutorials teaching, it does not have a manual talking about screw torque, and it does not have parts in stock anywhere in the world. In short, it is a product that costs almost the same as an electronic GX and is a disposable product because if it breaks, there is no spare parts or how to maintain it. To be worth the risk of the investment, it should be sold for half the price of an electronic GX or less.
@@euzimeumesmo you bring up some valid points. I’ll try to cover some of this in my upcoming SRAM XO1 AXS versus Wheeltop EDS video. The BIG bike companies are always going to be hard to compete with but I still like to see new companies try. The scale and volume of sales SRAM has allows them to control the market. However, I get what you’re saying. I love SRAM drivetrains. The only difference between SRAM AXS XO1 and GX is the weight and EDS weighs about the same as XO1 even with a larger battery on it. Although the EDS battery isn’t removable. Not saying that justifies the price. I do wish the EDS was a little cheaper, which would in turn make it a lot more marketable… more to follow in my AXS versus EDS video…
@@JaredHoff The cost of Wheeltop EDS is really the biggest problem, although it is debatable that SRAM has an advertising machine that in itself generates costs for the company, such as sponsoring athletes and teams and technical courses all over the world. I do not believe that SRAM controls the market because the price of electronic gears is high and SRAM has also filed some patents that also generate extra costs that need to be compensated. Wheeltop EDS does not have the same engineering structure, advertising, sponsorships and courses. In theory, it should be cheaper; see examples in the automotive market.
Was eyeballing EDS since Seth's(Berm Peak) review. All I can think of are the spare parts, EDS might be cheaper but SRAM comes with convenience of warranty/spare parts.
@@mdaniels292 I wonder if the SRAM Jockey wheels would work on this 🧐 I think those things are usually interchangeable, but I don’t wear out a lot of jockey wheels.
Nice.... great review. Do you have any thoughts on what this wheeltop is like shifting under heavy load? Like will it manage ebike pressure/load shifting? Cheers!
Nice first look! It looks well made and Chinese competition against the 2 big Ss is only good for all of us. Very interested to hear your thoughts vs X01 AXS. 👍
Seems like a good option. But from someone who’s had both GX AXS and GX transmission. I see no point in AXS or AXS style derailleurs. Setup is very slightly easier than a cable derailleur and that’s about it. The transmission however is pretty legit with its direct mount, and shift gates. Battery lasts a very long time too between charges. Not sure I would go down that road again though.
Sram and shimano need competition. I want to upgrade my 2023 Trek Rail 9.8 as i dont like the stock gx axs at all. I looked at t type XX models which is only option for Rail due to 34 T ring. But surprize suprize the price is 2500 dollar for the groupset which is an absurdity.
@@Emtbtoday I hear ya. Although, the only difference between SRAM XO1 and GX is the lighter weight. EDS weighs the same as SRAM XO1 AXS, which goes for double the price. That’s why I’m excited to make a SRAM XO1 versus EDS as I think the EDS compares to an XO1 wireless setup pretty well.
@@downtoridemtb I get why you’d say that but keep in mind that the only difference between the SRAM XO1 AXS and GX AXS is the weight. The EDS weighs the same as the XO1 AXS and even has a larger battery. That’s why I’m comparing the EDS against the XO1
Sram GX1 AXS is on sale now for $545 and this EDS is also on sale for $535. It doesn't feel like 'unbeatable' price. It feels more like it has a hefty price tag. Am I missing something?
@@YongPark-g3h Derailleur weight is the only functional difference in SRAM's AXS line. X01 weighs 390 grams, and GX weighs 454 grams (battery cover not included). This EDS weighed about the same as XO1 with a larger battery on it. But I’ll be doing a SRAM AXS versus EDS video to really compare the two.
@JaredHoff well i bailed on this and just spent the extra 150 and got the eagle axs upgrade kit. on sale . read that theis bearing seals are junk and no service available. stick with what I know
I mean, you can't really say "I just like SRAM better" without considering the fact the Reason they went this way is due to SRAM sending letters of intending to sue them for patent infringement and ban the product from North America unless they make battery unremovable without disassembling the derailleur. They could have made it convenient like SRAM, but SRAM didn't want to let them.
I’m paying the extra for SRAMs reliability and serviceability. Just saying.. something goes wrong, reach out, done… after all it’s my a.. riding my bike.. the older you get the more painful sh.. becomes… 😂
@@andonis851There is one good thing about people like you: thanks to you, we have the opportunity to buy "non-repairable" components for next to nothing.🤣
So I own one of these. It is working fine. While it is working. But its quality is nowhere near as good as SRAM AXS. Things not mentioned in this video: 1) No clutch. None. While it has a strong spring, it would still slap the chainstay and drop the chain once you got on the rocky sections. 2) It has bearings with no rubber seals on it. Water quickly gets inside and turns pulley wheels into squeaky, wobbly mess. And no spare pulley wheels are available. 3) General waterproofing is bad. No rubber seals inside. The whole thing is just glued together. Which might have worked except the battery cover is removable. Water gets inside and oxidizes battery contacts. Discharging the device and ruining the battery. No spare battery is available. So when it comes standard on a ~600$ bike, it is fine. But as a standalone product, it is just too expensive.
I owned gx axs. For about a month. The derailleur struggled to shift gears from new. Chain was catching one of the cogs generating clicking noise. After few rides the same appeared on the next one. I contacted the supplier. He asked me to return the whole kit. I got refund. I did some research and a very similar issue was reported by many users. I had gx, but other people experienced the same with x01 and xx1. I run a workshop and similar issues were on some rival axs rear mechs as well. I returned to my x01 mechanical and forgot about gear issues.
@@Team81MTB yes initially comes with a default adjustable speed range of 1-12 speeds. However, the WheelTop app allows you to customize gear shifts from 3 to 14 speeds.
@@JaredHoff Wow!! Thanks Man. I'll definitely look into it. I've always used a 10 speed cassette on my mtbs. I have 11 speed and 12 speed laying in boxes. I never used the two large cogs so I just went with a 10 speed. No sense in carrying extra weight I'm not gonna be using. 👍
@@Team81MTB this should work good for that. You just need to make sure you order the right size cage. I think you’d want the medium size cage. Use the link I have in the video and check into that to make sure.
I will buy an electronic shifting system when it is self-charging. Any real electronic shifting system will charge itself just by riding the bike. That is not too much to ask for...
@@mwhite5330 sorry man. I’m trying to collaborate with a guy who’s a professional mechanic and long time SRAM user but struggling to link up with him. I’m hoping it will all be worth it.
Now instead of carrying a spare battery, you'll need to carry a spare shifter. And when the battery dies, the lucky owner of this genius product will have to buy a new shifter. I’d like to see who would spend their hard-earned money on "this."
The only thing is that Seth reviewed it a year ago, but now there are no shifters with removable batteries available on the manufacturer's website or on AliExpress.
Is it compatible with shimano chains, cassette and chainrings? If it is compatible I would be supper interested in getting one for my Rocky Mountain Altitude.
@@Antoni-cm6wj I get what you’re saying man 👍 I was just excited to try something different and see how it compares to SRAM AXS. I have SRAM AXS XO1 on another bike I have so I’ll be testing/comparing the two soon.
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The EDS-OX YQ is ON SALE $359 bit.ly/3MfBWHa
This is the kind of stuff we need. Let the big two fight it out, so that innovation like this gets better and better, and wayy more affordable.
@@frits8986 for sure 👍
Yes competition is good for us buyers…
@@bud1lite definitely 👍
Except a Chinese company doesn’t have to make a profit in the traditional sense. The Chinese government subsidizes them, so they can undercut western company prices, thus destabilizing western economies. It’s just another version of warfare for them. They let western companies innovate and engineer, then contract with Chinese manufacturers, who then reverse engineer it and then sell the stolen product for less. It’s why they always sucker everyone into building cars, computer chips and aircraft in China. So they can steal innovations.
Alright, you got me sub'ed and waiting for the next video. 🤙
@@lagwall thanks for the support 👍
I'll repeat what I said on another channel: the EDS-OX costs almost the same as an electronic GX, and SRAM is going to release the S-1000, which is supposed to be even cheaper.
The point is that SRAM has technical support anywhere in the world, and spare parts and stocks spread around the world. In addition to videos and manuals teaching maintenance in detail, where you can find specifications for everything, even the torque of each screw.
On the other hand, the EDS-OX does not have spare parts in stock, it does not have trained mechanics, it does not have video tutorials teaching, it does not have a manual talking about screw torque, and it does not have parts in stock anywhere in the world.
In short, it is a product that costs almost the same as an electronic GX and is a disposable product because if it breaks, there is no spare parts or how to maintain it.
To be worth the risk of the investment, it should be sold for half the price of an electronic GX or less.
@@euzimeumesmo you bring up some valid points. I’ll try to cover some of this in my upcoming SRAM XO1 AXS versus Wheeltop EDS video.
The BIG bike companies are always going to be hard to compete with but I still like to see new companies try. The scale and volume of sales SRAM has allows them to control the market. However, I get what you’re saying. I love SRAM drivetrains.
The only difference between SRAM AXS XO1 and GX is the weight and EDS weighs about the same as XO1 even with a larger battery on it. Although the EDS battery isn’t removable. Not saying that justifies the price. I do wish the EDS was a little cheaper, which would in turn make it a lot more marketable… more to follow in my AXS versus EDS video…
EDS supports 7s-13s any . GX only supports XD and 12s. Deal breaker aleady.
EDS = 7s-13s. GX = 12s only and XD only. Already a deal breaker
@@JaredHoff The cost of Wheeltop EDS is really the biggest problem, although it is debatable that SRAM has an advertising machine that in itself generates costs for the company, such as sponsoring athletes and teams and technical courses all over the world. I do not believe that SRAM controls the market because the price of electronic gears is high and SRAM has also filed some patents that also generate extra costs that need to be compensated. Wheeltop EDS does not have the same engineering structure, advertising, sponsorships and courses. In theory, it should be cheaper; see examples in the automotive market.
@@euzimeumesmo I agree. If they made it in the $350-$400 range it would sell like crazy.
Was eyeballing EDS since Seth's(Berm Peak) review. All I can think of are the spare parts, EDS might be cheaper but SRAM comes with convenience of warranty/spare parts.
@@kjakubbb Looking at wheeltops website and they mention a 2 year warranty. I think that’s the same as SRAM.
@@JaredHoff two year warranty is good and well but when the jockey wheels wear am I able to get a set within a couple days?
@@mdaniels292 I wonder if the SRAM Jockey wheels would work on this 🧐 I think those things are usually interchangeable, but I don’t wear out a lot of jockey wheels.
At seth's(Berm Peak) review the battery is not the same and removable
@@METEORA_47 👍
Nice.... great review.
Do you have any thoughts on what this wheeltop is like shifting under heavy load? Like will it manage ebike pressure/load shifting?
Cheers!
@@Ovalblade1 I’m going to test it next weekend on my Forestal E-Bike. SRAM AXS vs EDS.
@JaredHoff enjoy the testing, always fun to mess around with cool gear. Will look forward to hearing your thoughts
@@Ovalblade1 for sure 👍 Apologize for the delay. Gets busy with full time job, dad life, and TH-cam channel lol
Nice first look! It looks well made and Chinese competition against the 2 big Ss is only good for all of us. Very interested to hear your thoughts vs X01 AXS. 👍
@@ThunderStruckMTB yeah, im interested to test SRAM AXS vers EDS
Seems like a good option. But from someone who’s had both GX AXS and GX transmission. I see no point in AXS or AXS style derailleurs. Setup is very slightly easier than a cable derailleur and that’s about it. The transmission however is pretty legit with its direct mount, and shift gates. Battery lasts a very long time too between charges. Not sure I would go down that road again though.
@@or-ian6973 thanks for the advice. Always good to hear different riders experiences
Sram and shimano need competition. I want to upgrade my 2023 Trek Rail 9.8 as i dont like the stock gx axs at all. I looked at t type XX models which is only option for Rail due to 34 T ring. But surprize suprize the price is 2500 dollar for the groupset which is an absurdity.
@@Stockfish1511 ridiculous price. I’d put this EDS upgrade kit on there
Dunno i just ordered sram axs Gx today for £450 full upgrade set
@@Emtbtoday I hear ya. Although, the only difference between SRAM XO1 and GX is the lighter weight. EDS weighs the same as SRAM XO1 AXS, which goes for double the price. That’s why I’m excited to make a SRAM XO1 versus EDS as I think the EDS compares to an XO1 wireless setup pretty well.
I was thinking it’d be somewhere in the $300-$350 price range but this is basically the same price as SRAM GX AXS.
@@downtoridemtb I get why you’d say that but keep in mind that the only difference between the SRAM XO1 AXS and GX AXS is the weight. The EDS weighs the same as the XO1 AXS and even has a larger battery.
That’s why I’m comparing the EDS against the XO1
@@JaredHoff good point, I missed that. I definitely like light weight components! Looking forward to the next video.
It's around $350 if you buy from Aliexpress.
Sram GX1 AXS is on sale now for $545 and this EDS is also on sale for $535. It doesn't feel like 'unbeatable' price. It feels more like it has a hefty price tag. Am I missing something?
@@YongPark-g3h Derailleur weight is the only functional difference in SRAM's AXS line. X01 weighs 390 grams, and GX weighs 454 grams (battery cover not included).
This EDS weighed about the same as XO1 with a larger battery on it.
But I’ll be doing a SRAM AXS versus EDS video to really compare the two.
@@JaredHoff sorry but when the price its almoust the same i go for Sram
@@pawel102 I get that. I still think SRAM is superior, but I’m also sick of not seeing more wireless options.
It's £312 on AliExpress at the moment
@@mitchreadwin1983 I don’t trust buying things from AliExpress. They have SRAM XX1 wireless on AliExpress as well. Is it real? 😬
Are you able to set the size of the cog in the app? I have a 3 speed project that goes from 11t to 19t and most cable derailleurs can't do it.
I would like this for my mid drive
@@JimmyJoeJr that would be a great option
There is even cheaper, 130$ usd LTWOO AE, I have one on order and will test it soon.
@@_petar nice 👍
Sram is made in Taiwan same race of people so it's safe to say Chinese made and the price id get the sram
@@jondonut1810 that’s a good point. American company doesn’t mean American made
QA between Made in China and Made in Taiwan is not the same though
perfect i can charge it right on my ebike lol. I just ordered this .. $400 out the door on ebay
@@rorymurphy27 nice 👍
@JaredHoff well i bailed on this and just spent the extra 150 and got the eagle axs upgrade kit. on sale . read that theis bearing seals are junk and no service available. stick with what I know
@@rorymurphy27 sometimes it’s best to stick with what you know. I’m going to test this out for a long term review.
I mean, you can't really say "I just like SRAM better" without considering the fact the Reason they went this way is due to SRAM sending letters of intending to sue them for patent infringement and ban the product from North America unless they make battery unremovable without disassembling the derailleur. They could have made it convenient like SRAM, but SRAM didn't want to let them.
@@drill_fiend1097 true
But does it work with a sram flat top 12 speed chain?
@@onederment It should work with SRAM or Shimano chains.
Is it better than archer components ! The motor burned on the shifter after 1.5 year no warranty and now cie is going down...
@@dan11thehands oh man. Sorry to hear that
I’m paying the extra for SRAMs reliability and serviceability. Just saying.. something goes wrong, reach out, done… after all it’s my a.. riding my bike.. the older you get the more painful sh.. becomes… 😂
@@TheSeig I get that 👍 Although, I know they have the same 2 year warranty that SRAM has. But I get what you’re saying.
If the pins at the cage break or get lose, you can toss the sram in the bin, because it is not reparable. 👌
@@andonis851There is one good thing about people like you: thanks to you, we have the opportunity to buy "non-repairable" components for next to nothing.🤣
So I own one of these. It is working fine. While it is working. But its quality is nowhere near as good as SRAM AXS.
Things not mentioned in this video:
1) No clutch. None. While it has a strong spring, it would still slap the chainstay and drop the chain once you got on the rocky sections.
2) It has bearings with no rubber seals on it. Water quickly gets inside and turns pulley wheels into squeaky, wobbly mess. And no spare pulley wheels are available.
3) General waterproofing is bad. No rubber seals inside. The whole thing is just glued together. Which might have worked except the battery cover is removable. Water gets inside and oxidizes battery contacts. Discharging the device and ruining the battery. No spare battery is available.
So when it comes standard on a ~600$ bike, it is fine. But as a standalone product, it is just too expensive.
@@PanaehaliTut are you using the latest EDS-OX YQ Series Mountain Bike version that I have
@@JaredHoff I guess so. It says EDS-OX-YQ-1211-SGS on the box.
@@PanaehaliTut thanks for the feedback man. It’s always good to hear more reviews 👍
@@PanaehaliTut Each new post like this makes the product even more "appealing" to me. Thanks for the feedback.
I owned gx axs. For about a month. The derailleur struggled to shift gears from new. Chain was catching one of the cogs generating clicking noise. After few rides the same appeared on the next one. I contacted the supplier. He asked me to return the whole kit. I got refund. I did some research and a very similar issue was reported by many users. I had gx, but other people experienced the same with x01 and xx1.
I run a workshop and similar issues were on some rival axs rear mechs as well. I returned to my x01 mechanical and forgot about gear issues.
on wheeltop website 30% discount is available only for 58 and 75 cage not for 93 ....,
@@hervemasson5976 oh, wow! My link gets you a 3% discount. Not sure if that helps though lol
Not all of the same feature, it doesn't have Matchmaker mount. And no spare battery can be used. 🤦
But magnetic charging is smart.
Is it programmable to make it a 10 speed?
@@Team81MTB yes initially comes with a default adjustable speed range of 1-12 speeds. However, the WheelTop app allows you to customize gear shifts from 3 to 14 speeds.
@@JaredHoff Wow!! Thanks Man. I'll definitely look into it. I've always used a 10 speed cassette on my mtbs. I have 11 speed and 12 speed laying in boxes. I never used the two large cogs so I just went with a 10 speed. No sense in carrying extra weight I'm not gonna be using. 👍
@@Team81MTB this should work good for that. You just need to make sure you order the right size cage. I think you’d want the medium size cage. Use the link I have in the video and check into that to make sure.
@@JaredHoff Thanks Bud. Will definitely be on this 👍
It's heavier than the low-cost SRAM NX Eagle mechanical derailleur 🌚
@@lichray I’d say it’s worth the couple extra grams.
I will buy an electronic shifting system when it is self-charging. Any real electronic shifting system will charge itself just by riding the bike. That is not too much to ask for...
@@andrewfrauenglass6729 that would be cool
Game changer? The price I can see (409£) means it's more than sram gx axs 1st gen.
@@tomekborucki1120 it’s as light as SRAM XO1 🤷🏼♂️
Umm, thank you? where’s the follow up video 2 months later..?
@@mwhite5330 sorry man. I’m trying to collaborate with a guy who’s a professional mechanic and long time SRAM user but struggling to link up with him. I’m hoping it will all be worth it.
@@mwhite5330 here’s the follow up video:
th-cam.com/video/DaK3zzL1474/w-d-xo.html
Now instead of carrying a spare battery, you'll need to carry a spare shifter. And when the battery dies, the lucky owner of this genius product will have to buy a new shifter. I’d like to see who would spend their hard-earned money on "this."
At seth's(Bike Peak)review the battery is not the same and removable
The only thing is that Seth reviewed it a year ago, but now there are no shifters with removable batteries available on the manufacturer's website or on AliExpress.
479 Euros for that !!!! 🤦 That must be a F joke... I have the GX kit for 425 EUR tax included on bike discount... 😵💫
Is it compatible with shimano chains, cassette and chainrings? If it is compatible I would be supper interested in getting one for my Rocky Mountain Altitude.
@@luisromero9507 yes it’s compatible with shimano.
But there's been no second video.
@@sicmic I’m going to get that done next Sunday hopefully. Life’s been kicking my butt lately. Way behind on videos 😞
do you know how many manufacturers of quality brand bikes will use that gearbox 0% 😂
Does it fit on a normal derailer hangar, or do you need udh, like sram does?
@@andonis851 yes 👍
@@JaredHoff yes what?
@@andonis851 yes it fits a normal derailure
dont scan qr codes on random chinese items security tip of the day
@@gazj your probably right 🤷🏼♂️
We don’t care about the damn box
Dji next
People really need to stop buying cheap Chinese knockoffs
@@Chicago_Bikepacker I think that at times too, but this thing performed so good. I’m uploading my next video now. Wheeltop EDS vs SRAM GX AXS…
Junk
Come on are you promoting China products! Shame! I honestly don’t give my $$$ to China as much as I can!
And ur Smartphone? Nlt china? Ur Electronics at home tv etc? Not china right. 😂😂
@@lakaldrakI know right. Lmao
Rather just pay for sram transmission. This just looks like a cheap plastic Chinese copy of axs
@@Antoni-cm6wj It’s always nice to have more options though, right
@@JaredHoff i mean is it worth the price, you could get a old version axs for nearly the same price and guaranteed warranty spare parts?
@@Antoni-cm6wj I get what you’re saying man 👍 I was just excited to try something different and see how it compares to SRAM AXS. I have SRAM AXS XO1 on another bike I have so I’ll be testing/comparing the two soon.
@@JaredHoff im exited to how it will stack up against axs
@@Antoni-cm6wj same 👍 I’m going to be transparent and give an honest no B.S. comparison.
Its much cheaper when bought from Ali Express