IMPORTANT UPDATE: Slight correction to the information I gave about the battery replacement. Wheeltop have clarified that the batteries will be replaced within the warranty period, which may be 1 or 2 years dependant on the country of purchase. Full details of warranty by region can be found on Wheeltop's website.
@petertreadway So what happens if the battery dies after 2 years 1 month and what are the costs for replacement? They need to get around this issue for the consumer to be able to purchase and replace the battery and install it. At least with Sram you can purchase the battery when ever needed. Not so here! Wheeltop need take this seriously, as it is a big concern not able to replace the battery yourself.
That's not good enough. They need to list the replacement price, availability or replacement batteries, and the complete process for replacement. Including after warranty.
I wonder how may shifts we get out the batteries before a replacement is needed. I suppose its a respectable number, and depending how much you ride may only become a concern after a 2-3 years, maybe more.. Still even if the setup died and needed a full replacement I guess we would be looking at a similar price like the total cost of the leading brands group. Ideally a replacement option is available, but maybe for now this is still a good option.
@@gracierunwiththewind4 screws at the back of the RD to replace the battery. Battery cost around 25usd listed on the official shop of wheeltop in China, taobao.
You know it's Sunday when there's a new Treadway video to watch 😁. It was good to hear your further thoughts on this after some experience of using it, im seriously considering it as a future upgrade so the more information the better.
Thanks so much Alex. Great to hear I’m becoming part of your weekend viewing. 💪🏻 I’ll keep you updated with any developments with this groupset too. 👌🏻
I have this groupset and just completed installation (agree on the hood covers and wish I'd known about the cable tie tip!). Haven't ridden it as yet (that's tomorrow), but first impressions are that it has excellent build quality and seems good value for money. Time will tell.
Hopefully you find it as good to live with as I have, David. Aside from a few minor issues as mentioned, I’m incredibly impressed by it. 👌🏻 Best of luck for your maiden ride. 💪🏻
great review of real world experience. I'm definitely interested for my rim brake bike. This can keep me from having to replace wheelsets when I want to move up in the number of gears.
I've had the "part" groupset for 2 months and ridden approx 1000 miles with it. My experience is similar to yours. It was easy to install other than the rubber on the hoods. The programming of the gears was confusing but I've managed to do it. The shifting is bang on every time. The charge lasts ages. I've ridden in horrific rain, and it's not been affected. I'm really happy with it. At the same time, I see all the negative comments about it and I get nervous. Am I just lucky? Will mine pack up mid-ride? Or are people stuck in their way of only using Shimano? For what it's worth, Shimano have let me down twice in a year. I had one of those dodgy cranks. Then bought 105 12 speed and one of the shifter hydraulic ports was faulty. It's a known issue, but Dhimano won't take responsibility for it. Hence, I'm trying Wheeltop
I feel the same as you, Marcus, wondering if I’ve just got a ‘good one’, or maybe I’m just less picky! 😂 As you suggest too, it’s not as though Shimano are without their issues, so I’d be more than happy to take a punt on these newer entries to the market. 👌🏻
Considering this option for electronic shifting. The other brands want 1500 or more for their setup. Also a decent new bike build is already a good chunk of change. If the WheelTop setup is similar in quality, costs less, and weighs less, and has future proofing features.. These are some compelling benefits in deed.
Absolutely agree, Matthew. There is a lot to like about this. Again, there are a few very minor things I’d like to change but sone future updates would do away with most of them. 👌🏻
Thanks for the review, I am in the market for an electronic groupset bit I am on the fence, which way to go just now. I need more good reviews like yours to convince me about the wheeltop one.
I can only speak from personal experience, Freddy, as I know others have had less favourable things to say about it but the stiff hoods and weird pairing issues aside, I’ve very little to say against this groupset. Only time will tell if anything else arises (and I’ll keep you updated if it does) but for now, I’m very pleased with it. I hope that you found the video informative, whichever brand you end up going with and I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. 👌🏻
Handbrake on a canoe made me choke on my pizza 🤣🤣 It's good to see they want to maintain some backwards compatibility with the 1980s by keeping the rim brake option open. I wonder if EDS will release an upgrade for rim brakes in the form of high friction Converse to drag against the back wheel...? Seriously though, I discounted the EDS TX over another L-Twoo system because of the cost; but there seems to be no sign of their v2 version, and the current ones are still plagues by niggling problems is beginning to push me that way. If they did a transmission only option as an upgrade kit to those who already had brakes, that would be perfect... DAMN YOU TREADWAY! You just made this harder!
Sorry mate! More options are always a good thing though…. No? 😂 And yeh, on your recommendation I was keen on seeing the LTWOO V2 but am getting bored of waiting now. This is definitely a decent upgrade option if you already have a set up though. 👌🏻
That's a fair price for wireless shifters. Might be an upgrade in the new year for my new gravel bike. Incidentally, perhaps bungee the punp to the vertical part of the bike where the saddle slides in. (The correct term escapes me.)
The seat post? I did try that initially, but it sat too far out and I hit my ankle/calf on it with every revolution! The top tube ended up being the best worst option! 😂 Definitely a great price for an upgrade kit. This would certainly work well on a gravel bike but I'm very much looking forward to seeing what the new gravel groupset looks like (although I've no idea when it'll be released!)
Nice review Peter. Thanks for info. However im fully commited to mechanical shifting. Just ordered a new winter bike as the summer one will go away in a couple of months and once again ive gone mechanical
Cheers Lewis. There’s definitely something to be said for the simplicity of mechanical shifting and I’d never try to convince someone to change either way, if they’re not in the market for something different. Hearing about someone getting a new bike always makes me happy regardless of the kit it has on it though. You can never have too many bikes. 😉 What bike did you go for for your winter ride, out of interest?
@petertreadway I'm a big fan of Ribble. Bought the Ultra last year for the summer which is beautiful to ride. So have gone for The CGR for winter. Should be a bit of a do it all winter bike, road and gravel etc. I think we spoke last year about me spending the winter months solely on zwift and to be honest it drove me mad 😃. Be nice to do some outdoor riding this winter. Will keep my old Wilier strapped on the turbo. Must venture your way one day. All the best
Taping a track pump to a top tube - oh how I laughed Peter, such a pleasure to watch these videos of yours and especially the rhetorical view on the Wheeltop gearset too 🤌 - glad it's going for you, you sell it soo well, they should send you a free one! 😉
'Another' free one.... this time for a Gravel bike! 😂 Yet, the track pump wasn't;t great but it was the only option to save me calling the Wife rescue service if I got a flat! 🤦 . Thanks as ever for watching and commenting though, Lee. Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm genuinely thinking of getting this set for my bike t'up north. I don't ride it enough to put an expensive groupset on it, and I don't have the funds anyway to even justify spending what you would on Shimano or Sram.
I find it so strange how differing people's experiences are with this groupset but I guess it all comes down to individual cranksets and chains used. Sorry to hear you're having issues with it though. Have you taken it to your LBS for them to have a play with?
@gracierunwiththewind it was listed as a Dura-Ace HG901 but it’s from AliExpress and cost just £14, so the chances of it being a kosher Shimano chain are unlikely. Even so, it’s running perfectly so far. 👌🏻
I'm looking to build a carbon gravel bike and give mine to my son. Just not sure if i should go 1x or 2x as my boardman is 2x... Plus not sure if i should go wheeltop or Ltwoo 🤦🏾♂️ Enjoying the video's so the same 👌🏾
I’ve umm’d and arr’d over going 1x or 2x before too, Colin and was swayed towards getting rid of my second chainring a while back when my left shifter stopped working on my road bike and I found I was quite happy to run on just the 34t up front and 11-34 at the back. I put 2x on the new carbon gravel bike I built myself recently though, purely because I found a cheap 2x GRX crankset online. The gravel bike has a huge 11-42 at the back though, so 2x up front is largely redundant. I’m sure I will eventually switch the gravel to 1x then. Not sure if that’s helped or made you more confused though! 😂 I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos however. Cheers for taking the time to watch and comment. 👌🏻
wheeltop now have 2 version. the latest version you cannot adjust FD by use App, you only relay with the screw adjustment for the FD. the older version you still can adjust your FD by App. the newer batch you cannot use it they lock your App for fine tune the FD. probably that person on other channel got the newer batch which Wheeltop lock that newer version.
Interesting! So while I adjusted the RD in the app, I actually fine tuned the FD specifically using the high/low screws on the derailleur itself. Also, Luke from TraceVelo said he’d had his kit for a while before installing and I think he was adjusting (or trying to at least) the FD using the app, so it may be that he has the older one. 🤔 You have just reminded me that I’ve read online about people messaging Wheeltop about FD tuning issues, and Wheeltop have given them access to do this in the app. Not sure what’s going on there then, but I didn’t have any need for the app anyway for the FD. I’ll drop Wheeltop and email myself to get the lowdown though. Cheers for the info. 👌🏻
Cheers Brian. A couple of people have suggested that now, which is a great tip. Seems to be a complaint from most people about this group, so hopefully Wheeltop will correct it with future iterations. 👌🏻
It was just a cheap generic one from ebay. It only cost about £30 from memory but it’s lasted really well. One bit of advice I’d give is to buy one with a lever style clamp, instead of a screw in one. The screw one on mine works perfectly, but can take some time to open wide enough to fit an aero seat post in, then a while again to screw it up tight. Other than that, it’s perfect though. 👌🏻
@@XlogicXXhave a look in Lidl and Aldi as they do them... Think the last one I got for a friend was about £25-30 or they might have one on a deal as they did them a little while ago..
Sorry its not a group set its missing BB/crankset/ and a chain which could set you back nearly £200 or a bit less so tat brings the EDS groupset up to the £800+ when you can buy 105 12 speed Di 2for £849 on Merlin cycles and have a better product and service centers all over the UK. So why would you want to buy this crap.
True but it's rim brake and the only rim brake electronic group is ultegra 8150 and that's about £1250 but I'd way prefer that as you can guarantee it's serviceable and you'll get parts for years to come.
Each to their own opinion, but while it may not be for you, there are a lot of people who could benefit from this over a Shimano group. I did point out in the build video that Merlin are currently selling a full 105 Di2 group but as I say in this video, this is a great option for anyone looking to upgrade an existing groupset. In any case, I appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your views. 👌🏻
Ya Luke at tracevolo did not read the directions. That’s why he had issue with the install😂 it’s all right there in many different languages and 60 pages🤮. Seriously most are having issues because they don’t read the directions. Ask me how I know lol. I am running a 13s rotor cassette and it was much harder to set up but I got there in the end.
Possibly. I mean, Luke and I are both men, so have obviously never read a manual of instruction between us in our lives! 😂. In fairness though, even when you do read it, the Mandarin-English translation isn’t the easiest thing to get your head around but, as you say, you get there in the end. How’s the 13s working out for you?
@@petertreadway ya that’s the issue. The directions are hard to go over. But I have found there are small differences in setup compared to mechanical systems. The 13s rotor cassette is great. I did have to use a 2.5mm shim to get frame clearance on the 10t cog but other than that it’s pretty basic setup. The tuning was not fun lol. Shimano cassettes are much easier to tune because they shift better than almost all other cassettes and this one does not shift as smooth as a Shimano cassette.
Good question which I completely forgot to cover As I understand it, there’s (currently) no integration with Garmin/Wahoo/Hammerhead, etc but there does seem to be a way to connect a Bryton head unit. I say currently then, as the kit clearly can connect to some computers, so it’ll hopefully only be a matter of time before a software update allows connection to the more mainstream units. 👌🏻
@@petertreadway My understanding is that the most recent firmware update added this and will connect via ANT+ and show which gear you are in. I don't have it so take that FWIW.
If they had a few English speakers on payroll, someone might have mentioned that using a model designation which is an acronym for Erectile Dysfunction Syndrome isn't great marketing. 😏
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Slight correction to the information I gave about the battery replacement. Wheeltop have clarified that the batteries will be replaced within the warranty period, which may be 1 or 2 years dependant on the country of purchase. Full details of warranty by region can be found on Wheeltop's website.
@petertreadway So what happens if the battery dies after 2 years 1 month and what are the costs for replacement? They need to get around this issue for the consumer to be able to purchase and replace the battery and install it. At least with Sram you can purchase the battery when ever needed. Not so here! Wheeltop need take this seriously, as it is a big concern not able to replace the battery yourself.
That's not good enough. They need to list the replacement price, availability or replacement batteries, and the complete process for replacement.
Including after warranty.
I wonder how may shifts we get out the batteries before a replacement is needed. I suppose its a respectable number, and depending how much you ride may only become a concern after a 2-3 years, maybe more.. Still even if the setup died and needed a full replacement I guess we would be looking at a similar price like the total cost of the leading brands group. Ideally a replacement option is available, but maybe for now this is still a good option.
@@gracierunwiththewind4 screws at the back of the RD to replace the battery. Battery cost around 25usd listed on the official shop of wheeltop in China, taobao.
Impressive follow-up summary to the original tutorial. Really well done. Thank you and keep riding!
Thanks as ever, Richard. Glad you enjoyed. it. 👌🏻
You know it's Sunday when there's a new Treadway video to watch 😁. It was good to hear your further thoughts on this after some experience of using it, im seriously considering it as a future upgrade so the more information the better.
Thanks so much Alex. Great to hear I’m becoming part of your weekend viewing. 💪🏻
I’ll keep you updated with any developments with this groupset too. 👌🏻
💯 yes, but will wait until the changes are made to the EDS, as mentioned before purchasing this system
Yeh, a few software updates will see this thing go from good to incredible, Alistair. 👌🏻
@@petertreadway I agree, once these changes are made, then i I will defiantly purchase… keep us updated Peter. Cheers
I have this groupset and just completed installation (agree on the hood covers and wish I'd known about the cable tie tip!). Haven't ridden it as yet (that's tomorrow), but first impressions are that it has excellent build quality and seems good value for money. Time will tell.
Hopefully you find it as good to live with as I have, David. Aside from a few minor issues as mentioned, I’m incredibly impressed by it. 👌🏻
Best of luck for your maiden ride. 💪🏻
great review of real world experience. I'm definitely interested for my rim brake bike. This can keep me from having to replace wheelsets when I want to move up in the number of gears.
Absolutely. As I say, I think this is a great move by Wheeltop allowing backwards compatibility with non disc brake frames. 👌🏻
I've had the "part" groupset for 2 months and ridden approx 1000 miles with it. My experience is similar to yours.
It was easy to install other than the rubber on the hoods.
The programming of the gears was confusing but I've managed to do it.
The shifting is bang on every time.
The charge lasts ages.
I've ridden in horrific rain, and it's not been affected.
I'm really happy with it.
At the same time, I see all the negative comments about it and I get nervous. Am I just lucky? Will mine pack up mid-ride? Or are people stuck in their way of only using Shimano?
For what it's worth, Shimano have let me down twice in a year. I had one of those dodgy cranks. Then bought 105 12 speed and one of the shifter hydraulic ports was faulty. It's a known issue, but Dhimano won't take responsibility for it. Hence, I'm trying Wheeltop
I feel the same as you, Marcus, wondering if I’ve just got a ‘good one’, or maybe I’m just less picky! 😂
As you suggest too, it’s not as though Shimano are without their issues, so I’d be more than happy to take a punt on these newer entries to the market. 👌🏻
@@petertreadway 😂
Considering this option for electronic shifting. The other brands want 1500 or more for their setup. Also a decent new bike build is already a good chunk of change. If the WheelTop setup is similar in quality, costs less, and weighs less, and has future proofing features.. These are some compelling benefits in deed.
Absolutely agree, Matthew. There is a lot to like about this. Again, there are a few very minor things I’d like to change but sone future updates would do away with most of them. 👌🏻
Thanks for the review, I am in the market for an electronic groupset bit I am on the fence, which way to go just now. I need more good reviews like yours to convince me about the wheeltop one.
I can only speak from personal experience, Freddy, as I know others have had less favourable things to say about it but the stiff hoods and weird pairing issues aside, I’ve very little to say against this groupset.
Only time will tell if anything else arises (and I’ll keep you updated if it does) but for now, I’m very pleased with it.
I hope that you found the video informative, whichever brand you end up going with and I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. 👌🏻
Great follow up video!
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it. Appreciate you watching and commenting as ever. 💪🏻🌟
Handbrake on a canoe made me choke on my pizza 🤣🤣 It's good to see they want to maintain some backwards compatibility with the 1980s by keeping the rim brake option open. I wonder if EDS will release an upgrade for rim brakes in the form of high friction Converse to drag against the back wheel...? Seriously though, I discounted the EDS TX over another L-Twoo system because of the cost; but there seems to be no sign of their v2 version, and the current ones are still plagues by niggling problems is beginning to push me that way. If they did a transmission only option as an upgrade kit to those who already had brakes, that would be perfect...
DAMN YOU TREADWAY! You just made this harder!
Sorry mate! More options are always a good thing though…. No? 😂
And yeh, on your recommendation I was keen on seeing the LTWOO V2 but am getting bored of waiting now. This is definitely a decent upgrade option if you already have a set up though. 👌🏻
That's a fair price for wireless shifters.
Might be an upgrade in the new year for my new gravel bike.
Incidentally, perhaps bungee the punp to the vertical part of the bike where the saddle slides in.
(The correct term escapes me.)
The seat post? I did try that initially, but it sat too far out and I hit my ankle/calf on it with every revolution! The top tube ended up being the best worst option! 😂
Definitely a great price for an upgrade kit. This would certainly work well on a gravel bike but I'm very much looking forward to seeing what the new gravel groupset looks like (although I've no idea when it'll be released!)
@@petertreadway , just read up..
The seat tube.
Sunday homework sorted lol
Nice review Peter. Thanks for info. However im fully commited to mechanical shifting. Just ordered a new winter bike as the summer one will go away in a couple of months and once again ive gone mechanical
Cheers Lewis. There’s definitely something to be said for the simplicity of mechanical shifting and I’d never try to convince someone to change either way, if they’re not in the market for something different.
Hearing about someone getting a new bike always makes me happy regardless of the kit it has on it though. You can never have too many bikes. 😉
What bike did you go for for your winter ride, out of interest?
@petertreadway I'm a big fan of Ribble. Bought the Ultra last year for the summer which is beautiful to ride. So have gone for The CGR for winter. Should be a bit of a do it all winter bike, road and gravel etc. I think we spoke last year about me spending the winter months solely on zwift and to be honest it drove me mad 😃. Be nice to do some outdoor riding this winter. Will keep my old Wilier strapped on the turbo. Must venture your way one day. All the best
Try carefully heating the weather proof seal with a hairdryer then fit it again. Superglue is last option.
I can't see any issue in using superglue! 😂
I'll give the heat trick a try though. 👌🏻
@@petertreadway I've stuck 'em down with a small and invisible piece of black electrical sticky tape
Taping a track pump to a top tube - oh how I laughed Peter, such a pleasure to watch these videos of yours and especially the rhetorical view on the Wheeltop gearset too 🤌 - glad it's going for you, you sell it soo well, they should send you a free one! 😉
'Another' free one.... this time for a Gravel bike! 😂
Yet, the track pump wasn't;t great but it was the only option to save me calling the Wife rescue service if I got a flat! 🤦 . Thanks as ever for watching and commenting though, Lee. Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm genuinely thinking of getting this set for my bike t'up north. I don't ride it enough to put an expensive groupset on it, and I don't have the funds anyway to even justify spending what you would on Shimano or Sram.
It’s definitely a great bit of kit for the money and, as you say, would be a great upgrade if you don’t want to spend out too much. 👌🏻
Front mech chain rub is a nightmare. Only in the largest 30 sprocket. No matter how I adjust it the issue moves elsewhere. Got the rim version.
I find it so strange how differing people's experiences are with this groupset but I guess it all comes down to individual cranksets and chains used. Sorry to hear you're having issues with it though. Have you taken it to your LBS for them to have a play with?
What chain set are you using?
@gracierunwiththewind it was listed as a Dura-Ace HG901 but it’s from AliExpress and cost just £14, so the chances of it being a kosher Shimano chain are unlikely.
Even so, it’s running perfectly so far. 👌🏻
@@petertreadway No I meant the cranks
@@gracierunwiththewind Gotcha. It's a Shimano 105 R7000 crank.
I'm looking to build a carbon gravel bike and give mine to my son.
Just not sure if i should go 1x or 2x as my boardman is 2x...
Plus not sure if i should go wheeltop or Ltwoo 🤦🏾♂️
Enjoying the video's so the same 👌🏾
I’ve umm’d and arr’d over going 1x or 2x before too, Colin and was swayed towards getting rid of my second chainring a while back when my left shifter stopped working on my road bike and I found I was quite happy to run on just the 34t up front and 11-34 at the back.
I put 2x on the new carbon gravel bike I built myself recently though, purely because I found a cheap 2x GRX crankset online. The gravel bike has a huge 11-42 at the back though, so 2x up front is largely redundant. I’m sure I will eventually switch the gravel to 1x then.
Not sure if that’s helped or made you more confused though! 😂
I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos however. Cheers for taking the time to watch and comment. 👌🏻
Sorry Mr Treadway I have no commet worth writing. But as always I enjoyed your video. So thank you very much.
A comment like that is worth a thousand others, Richard. 😉
As ever, I very much appreciate you. 💪🏻
wheeltop now have 2 version. the latest version you cannot adjust FD by use App, you only relay with the screw adjustment for the FD.
the older version you still can adjust your FD by App. the newer batch you cannot use it they lock your App for fine tune the FD.
probably that person on other channel got the newer batch which Wheeltop lock that newer version.
Interesting! So while I adjusted the RD in the app, I actually fine tuned the FD specifically using the high/low screws on the derailleur itself. Also, Luke from TraceVelo said he’d had his kit for a while before installing and I think he was adjusting (or trying to at least) the FD using the app, so it may be that he has the older one. 🤔
You have just reminded me that I’ve read online about people messaging Wheeltop about FD tuning issues, and Wheeltop have given them access to do this in the app.
Not sure what’s going on there then, but I didn’t have any need for the app anyway for the FD.
I’ll drop Wheeltop and email myself to get the lowdown though.
Cheers for the info. 👌🏻
@@petertreadway it like they lock up the FD fine tuning App because many early customer got their chain drop.
Stiff rubber hoods? Warm them with a hairdryer before pulling back ?
Your not the only one Ribblecyclist on TH-cam had exactly the same issue
Cheers Brian. A couple of people have suggested that now, which is a great tip.
Seems to be a complaint from most people about this group, so hopefully Wheeltop will correct it with future iterations. 👌🏻
@@petertreadway of course you and I don't need hairdryers so we have to borrow them 🤣
Every time i look at this groupset in Australia Wheeltop have increased the price. Makes it a big risk
Really？The price is still 649/739 euro on their official website. No changes for 5 months.
Have a look on AliExpress, Brian. I can obviously only see UK prices my end but you might find a cheaper deal there. 👌🏻
Ox=1x Tx=2x 😊
Of course! How did I miss that?!? 🤦🏻♂️😂
Cheers Phil. 👌🏻
@@petertreadway appreciate the content my friend. 🙏
If you are ever in or near the Lowestoft area, give me a shout and if I can, I shall join you for a ride. 👍
Can’t say when I might be out that way, but I’ll definitely drop you a line if I am. 👌🏻
What is your bike repair stand? I'm looking for one that's not too pricy.
It was just a cheap generic one from ebay. It only cost about £30 from memory but it’s lasted really well.
One bit of advice I’d give is to buy one with a lever style clamp, instead of a screw in one. The screw one on mine works perfectly, but can take some time to open wide enough to fit an aero seat post in, then a while again to screw it up tight. Other than that, it’s perfect though. 👌🏻
@petertreadway Thanks. Did it have a brand name so I can at least see what it looks like?
@@XlogicXXhave a look in Lidl and Aldi as they do them... Think the last one I got for a friend was about £25-30 or they might have one on a deal as they did them a little while ago..
@@Colin2479 Tnx.
@@XlogicXXsorry but it didn’t. It was literally just listed as ‘bicycle repair stand’! 🤦🏻♂️
Did i mention there was a headwind guys? 😂
Had to get that little nugget in there at the end? 😂
Sorry its not a group set its missing BB/crankset/ and a chain which could set you back nearly £200 or a bit less so tat brings the EDS groupset up to the £800+ when you can buy 105 12 speed Di 2for £849 on Merlin cycles and have a better product and service centers all over the UK. So why would you want to buy this crap.
True but it's rim brake and the only rim brake electronic group is ultegra 8150 and that's about £1250 but I'd way prefer that as you can guarantee it's serviceable and you'll get parts for years to come.
Each to their own opinion, but while it may not be for you, there are a lot of people who could benefit from this over a Shimano group.
I did point out in the build video that Merlin are currently selling a full 105 Di2 group but as I say in this video, this is a great option for anyone looking to upgrade an existing groupset.
In any case, I appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your views. 👌🏻
@@zedddddful look again its 105 disc 12 speed D2 £849 on merlin cycles
@@arcoulant87 yes and that's no good for a rim brake bike as I said 8150 is over a grand 👍 (personally wouldn't have anything but Shimano)
Yes because di2 fits all frames…. Oh wait no it does not.
Ya Luke at tracevolo did not read the directions. That’s why he had issue with the install😂 it’s all right there in many different languages and 60 pages🤮. Seriously most are having issues because they don’t read the directions. Ask me how I know lol. I am running a 13s rotor cassette and it was much harder to set up but I got there in the end.
Possibly. I mean, Luke and I are both men, so have obviously never read a manual of instruction between us in our lives! 😂. In fairness though, even when you do read it, the Mandarin-English translation isn’t the easiest thing to get your head around but, as you say, you get there in the end.
How’s the 13s working out for you?
@@petertreadway ya that’s the issue. The directions are hard to go over. But I have found there are small differences in setup compared to mechanical systems.
The 13s rotor cassette is great. I did have to use a 2.5mm shim to get frame clearance on the 10t cog but other than that it’s pretty basic setup. The tuning was not fun lol. Shimano cassettes are much easier to tune because they shift better than almost all other cassettes and this one does not shift as smooth as a Shimano cassette.
Garmin and other computer compatibility?
Good question which I completely forgot to cover
As I understand it, there’s (currently) no integration with Garmin/Wahoo/Hammerhead, etc but there does seem to be a way to connect a Bryton head unit.
I say currently then, as the kit clearly can connect to some computers, so it’ll hopefully only be a matter of time before a software update allows connection to the more mainstream units. 👌🏻
@@petertreadway thanks for y0u feedback
@@petertreadway My understanding is that the most recent firmware update added this and will connect via ANT+ and show which gear you are in. I don't have it so take that FWIW.
If they had a few English speakers on payroll, someone might have mentioned that using a model designation which is an acronym for Erectile Dysfunction Syndrome isn't great marketing. 😏
😂. TBF, I didn’t even know that, so I’m not sure an English speaker would have necessarily! 😂