200 Treadwear Tires - The Most Competitive Street Legal Track Tires!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- This is our first hand experience as a tire shop with brands that are commonly used at the track.
The 200 treadwear segment is one of the most competitive and disputed sectors in the tire market. It's a tire category with street tire looks and race tire performance, but also has the ability to be driven to and from the racetrack.
We cover the slower longer lasting standard 200 treadwear tires plus the extremely quick and faster wearing super 200 treadwear tires.
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Very informative! I’m looking forward to seeing more vids in the future! Keep up the good work!
Nice TH-cam debut! Easy to digest and straight to the point. Looking forward to future content.
Great video! Real information and not pushing any single tire!
Well done, can't wait to see how your channel grows. Great content!
Great info! Looking forward to more videos.
Solid info! Great start to the channel.
I highly appreciate this video!
Glad I came across this video. Sub'd! cant wait for more content.
Very informative. Thank you
Solid video, personally have the sur4g and I like them. I'm not super fast or anything but they held up through each session at thunderhill west around 85F ambient temps, as mentioned in video they do seem to be quite wide comparatively to other tires of same sizing. Hard to get tires that check off every box on the list, this helps instead of browsing through tons of forum comparison post.
Liked and subscribe. Thank you for the video. It helped me choose the best tires for my needs. I wanted the RS-4 but they’re currently out of stock. So I got the Falkin tires instead.
Very intelligent video. Thank you.
Thanks for the info! I have my eye on the Nexen Sur4G!
Great video, have my first track day coming up. I will definitely be using this video as a quide when I buy a set of tires for next year.
If you need any Nexen Tires, feel free to reach out!
Great info, especially the graph at the end, cost % would also be valuable here, but that would be difficult unless you stick with a single size as a control for comparison.
Nice good to see on here
Looking at 200tw options and I see you! lol. Need to get back out your way soon! Miss you guys!
Come out!
Great info, very detailed! Will definitely be returning for more info in the future. I have 1 request;
Some info about sizes would be great! Showing somewhere on screen the sizes available would be awesome, but if that's too much, just a general overview, i.e., Sized more for sport compacts, available in muscle car sizes, not many choices for rims more than 19", that kind of thing.
We'll try to throw more of that info in the next upcoming videos! Thanks for the feedback.
Valuable info and great video. Would love to hear how other 200tw tires compare to the ones you mentioned (such as AD08r, NT05, Direzza ZIII...)
We can try to include other tires in a future video! There are just so many choices!
Thank you for your breakdown of the best 200 TW tires. I am about to burn my PS4s on the track and knowing what will be its replacement, is a huge help.
Glad we could be of assistance to your next purchase!
Have tried the Maxxis VR1 and I feel like they'd slot in with the Sur4g with the way you described them, super 200 grip that wears and cycles well. I really liked those tires, they were very quiet on the street as well! Much as id like to get another set I think ill stick with RS4s at my skill level for just putting around in HPDEs 👍
We were told the VR1 is like a faster wearing RS4, that is better in the rain.
So the A052s has a soft-ish sidewall, glad you mentioned it, its one of the very few semislick available in my size, and I appreciate every feedback since I’ve never tried it. I am searching for a tire with the sharpest and nimblest steering feel and response….
The RE-71R or the Falken Azenis RT660 are great on the sharp, stiff carcass type tires. If you can step down to a 100 treadwear the Goodyear Supercar 3R will also have simliar features. We'll cover that segment in our next video!
I'm really liking the sur4g's. I've narrowed down my choice to sur4g's or NT01's for my 2009 saturn sky redline. Any thoughts about these two against each other? Laptimes, which one lasts longer, general thoughts etc. I'm hoping you guys respond. thanks
Cool, didn't know there was a standard and super 200tw.
Simple and to the point! Nice job! Is that Nexen tire available in a 265 or 275/40/17?
Unfortunately 255/40/17 is the largest they have in 17 inch.
What a dreamboat.
I already try Rs4 & Sur4g, gotta love sur4g even a lot of people at here choose Rs4.
the A052 are king for autocross. The minute those came out it obvious when 90% of the Autocross field switched to them.
They are definitely fast!
Surprised you didn't mention the Accelera 651 sport 200trw and sport extra 100trw. Both excellent tyres and at a good price point compared to most. Very grippy and also work well for drifting, I've been happy running them for the past few years on my 300hp drift car.
They aren’t super popular on the HPDE, road racing and AutoX scenes for us, but if we get some samples we wouldn’t mind making a comparison!
Sorry man but those tires are trash. They are more comparable to federal rs-rr. They probably work better for drifting than actual hose driving like the Kenda kr20
I’d be interested in comparing the best street tyres for steering and grip and traction and braking. In Europe the tyres that do well are Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, Continental Sport Contact 6, Bridgestone Potenza Sport, Goodyear Eagle Supersport, Pirelli P Zero corsa.
We will try to do a piece on those on one of the next videos!
Great review. Can u make reviews of street tires also?
Yes! What category of street tires?
@@TPMparts 280-300
1 min 44 in and He's saying the RS3 was good... But i guess i'll try to watch all the way through.
My RE71R lasted me 2 track days lapping my local track at around 1:46. the A052 has done 18 track days so far lapping still in the 1:42 range, I used to use R888r and Nitto Nt01 which lap around 1:44, but then stepped up to Hancook Z221 and RE71RS to try and get a PB, which I did of a high 1:42's. The A052 currently gives me my best PB's and just keeps going. I also daily this car so the tires are a little over a year old now.
have you tried toyo proxes tr1's as i brought a set for real cheap but i cant find any unbias reviews these are budget tyres so not expecting much but havnt had any issues so far 10k miles in
It’s quite an old compound so would compare it to other current 300 tw tires.
Wich one is working better without heating them? Need for Drag runs in a RWD car
There are much better drag radial options available for those applications. These tires would be shredded apart much quicker since they are made for road course circuit and autocross use.
RE-71 is discontinued....
Which of these would work best on a wet track for HPDE/Lapping days?
A052 at full tread depth did pretty dang well!
Between Federal 595 rs-r & Nexen Sur4G,,, what do you prefer for mix use (track & street)? Thanks
The Nexen is much more consistent and reliable. We don’t even sell the federal because of tread splicing issues. The federal also makes a mud terrain like road noise
Do you recommend 200TW tyres for a 160-170hp car with coilovers and bucket seat? Currently on Michelin PS4 tyres
If you are looking for a higher level of grip compared to your Michelin PS4 with the ability to drive to and from the track, it would be a good choice. For double duty street and track we have many clients with that power level driving on 200 TW. Miatas, civics, 86/BRZ, S2000 are all similar power and run on 200 TW.
Great comparison! What category would you put the Direzza ziii in?
It is definitely one of the quicker tires out there, so I would rate it in the Super 200. However, it's popularity has started to dwindle in the past few years and I wonder if it's because of the issues many of our clients have had with the tire.
@@TPMparts Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it.
How you get 100 subscribers with only one video! Tell me that competitive secret lol
Likewise, in the automotive industry but with a twist!
Good HD quality video though! Crisp detail.
Any comments on the Azenis 660 after some time?
Be careful for tread splicing and blistering.
R-S3 didn’t start the 200 tw , I used to autocross R-S2 early 2000s. The r-s2 was going after the original falken 615. Right after the r-s2 release , falken redesigned the 615 to what we have today. Not much have changed during the last 20 years except for marketing.
The RS3 started the dominance and the status of being the king of 200 tw. There were many tires before that, but they were 140 rather than 200 tw.
@@TPMparts no, I was on the podium with the R-S2 in 2005 when it came out, it was a 200tw tire.
@@yvonjasser Correct. We were just stating the dominance of the R-S3 and it's status as the former king of 140 and then 200 tw tires.
How does a 340 TW tire like the Firestone Indy 500 compare to a 200 TW tire ?
Maybe we’ll review those on our next video! To answer your question, it doesn’t compare in terms of performance
I daily drive my E90 M3 with 4S tires, and I’m wondering what tire would be a good compromise for both daily and occasional track/autocross duty?
RS4 has been a long lasting choice for daily, but it depends on your needs. What type of lap times are you planning on running?
@@TPMparts not really chasing time, just trying to accrue more seat time and become better driver.
@@iAlamo89 If that's the case I would either go with the Nexen Sport R that will be coming out very soon or RS4.
💥💥 What do you have in 275/40/17 and 315/35/17.?? I need to freshen up my BF Goodrich g-Force KD
Hi Jason, Give us a call at 949-444-2199 and we'll set you up!
What do you think about the indy500?
For a street tire, they are ok, but they don't compare in performance to the 200 Treadwear tires.
I want a tire that will hook up at the drag strip. I do not care about long lasting. Any advice?
Most drag radials will be your best bet. Give us a call at 949-444-2199 and we’ll set you up!
Didnt the RS2 start it off? That was an amazing tire… is the RS3 much better than the RS2?
The RS2 was less competitive against the top 180-200 treadwear tires of the time. However the RS3 took over the entire market with its performance and longevity.
What are ur thoughts on the Goodyear supercar 3 tire.
Decent tire for street and track use and has ok track performance when it gets warm. It won't compare to the modern 200TW tires though.
@@TPMparts even if the tire is a 220 tw
Correct the modern 200 treadwear tires will outperform them on the track and some will even do better on the street. The Goodyears are a good price and are more of a double duty tire in my opinion.
thoughts on Federal Rs-Pros
We actually dont sell Federal because of the issues that can cause possible failures.
I guess the rs3-r and cr1 are too new to have any data to include?
We can try to include other tires in a future video! There are just so many choices!
what is your feeling on the Nitto nt05?
Trash! Old technology tire. Get the nt01!
Old compound on that tire. It isn’t relevant as a popular choice.
Why can' t we get the RE71R and RS in Europe?
We wish we could get some European tires too! The Dunlop Direzza 03G look like a tire we would love over here.
Cool stuff and thanks for sharing! I'm a bit limited on choices for 315/30r18 but the Falken 615 seems legitimate.
Only concern I've got is it really scores against cold temps. I'll sometimes stay at an Airbnb out by some of the socal desert tracks and it can get down to 25f at night! Every manufacturer seems to really frown on this in the 200tw category!
200 tw is a performance category so the rubber isn’t made to go that cold! You can cold crack them doing that.
@@TPMparts yeah. Just a bummer to work around unfortunately.
My browser says the website link is sus ?
Our website is fully secure as it takes orders from clients on a daily basis.
How about the Nankangs?
I believe those released late last year, so we have been trying to get our hands on a set!
Why only 2 videos?
We are still a small shop right now, so between balancing the shop, running events for Nexen Tire, and racing at the track ourselves; we are squeezing in the time to make more videos!
So this is pretty much where I spend most of my thought and money on racing. I've used them all except the ao52. Right now I'm running rt660 and rivals s 1.5. The rt660 is faster than the re71r in all cases on my 2016 camaro ss in a 305 square. I just ordered a set of the rt660 in 315 cause they're going to be know as the fastest tire soon. I think the data shows the ao52 but idk when I compared apples to apples I think the rt660 is faster and last longer. If you are racing in hot climate. Ao52 literally gets greasy half way through runs in 100 degree weather and on time attack is like 3 corners and I greasy. Okay to be 100 percent fair. I was not driving the ao52 car but was same car and riding in it. I was driving the rt660. Two friends trying to compare and the rt660 305 was .5 a second on 1:30 lap road course and .7 auto x. We're very equal drivers and both felt the tr660 was better in hot Temps. But it worked amazing in the cold too. By cold I mean 45-50 degrees. I have so much tire tire it's crazy. Going to get more this weekend
Great to hear! We have tested both the Falken and the A052, and the A052 produces more lateral G’s, however the Falken does have much better steering response from a stiffer sidewall construction. That would make perfect sense why the Falken works better on the heavier Camaro platform.
Clayton? The RT660 has grip without heating?
How long would you guys say the rt660’s last? In terms of # of track days and time off track. I’m hoping to find a street and track tire that is slightly more leaning on track use. But don’t have spare wheels to swap after a track weekend. I track about 10 days a year and ready to try something other than MPS4S
@@magikmastr 3 track days usually. Keep in mind it is still a super 200 treadwear so it's tradeoff for quick times would be faster wear. If you want something that is fast and longer lasting I would go Nexen SUR4G or if you want something longer lasting than a super 200, go with the Hankook RS4.
@@magikmastr it's probably a good option but the Hankook rs4 would be better. Not as much data on the rt660 as far as wear but the thought as of now is the rs4 will have less grip but better wear. Still a good track tire though. Actually to be completely honest the rt660 wears really good like I'm still running a set I said were done 2 events ago. No matter which you use out of the good 200 none will last very long with street driving. I did the same thing you're doing for a year or two and wasted enough money on killing track tires on the street I could have bought spare wheels and a set of firestone firehawk indy 500 for the street. Or buy new track wheels from apex and use whatever you got for street tires
Hows the RS4 vs the RT660??
Check out our graph at the end that compares both!
@@TPMparts
Yeah, thats why i subed u.. cuz u gave numbers, time and numbers dont lie
Relax dude…take a deep breath. You’re doing great.
where is RE71RS?
We currently do not have that tire in the United States.
I can't wait for the Continental extreme contact force which is a Hoosier compound I think that is going to obliterate the 200 treadwear category
It depends on which category you are going to run the tire. The continental should be an extremely good endurance compound. However for ultimate time attack & autocross use it won’t be ideal.
@@TPMparts me personally I would use it as a daily as I am a aggressive spirited driver and I take a lot of mountain runs and cruises.
A lot of our guys like the Hankook RS4 for that since it lasts long, has good street manners and is good on track as well. I know they baselined off the RS4 so we’ll see how well it does!
@@TPMparts I find that weird because they don't perform all that well compared to others such as the A052, RT660, or Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect. they are nosier, and don't handle nowhere near as great either 🤷♂️. maybe tire longevity is all it has to offer than. but I know contis typically last long, and the ECS is something that handles like a track tire very close to it. so the ECS Force version should be even better at 200 vs 340 treadwear
@@cleysoptique8749 I think the Extreme Contact Force will be a force to be reckoned with!
Looks like Tran from F&F
Is it true that you name is mike true?
Yes! My name is Mike Trieu and it is pronounced True.
@@TPMparts True that True that! Subscribed! keep up the good work!
Thank you so much!
Eric’s tire categories are incredibly confusing and without context or even maybe a visual it’s hard to get a good idea of where tires are in the lineup
Hopefully our graph at the end helped!
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Bring them over!
“Fast paced” is not a technical specification. The word you’re looking for is “low rolling resistance.”
Fast paced will be describing the tires on track in comparison to lap times. Also the rolling resistance of super sticky tires will be high, so consumers that use this type of tire will not be looking to maximize fuel economy. Hope that explains our descriptions a bit better!
615KT+ do you mean 615K+? If thats a typo what was the laptime compared to the RS4? I know you said the RS4 is quicker but im curious how long the lap was and what the time difference is.
We found they are more than 1 second quicker on a 2 minute course.