This is not agressieve? This racing. Reed the rules, a driver who has the inside from the corner owns the corner and may dictate the drive. Listen to Eddy Jordan, Peter Windsor and other profesional drivers.
This and the duel in Austria with Hamilton were the races where Mick earned a huge amount of respect from me, although I had already cheered for him. He was extremely clean and he proved that he could fight against two world champions when he had a proper chance to do it.
It's a shame that he was so crash prone and a nightmare for HAAS budget,he really had the skills and was a clean wheel to wheel driver,but too clumsy for his career.
@@DerpSherman Mick's sponsors brought Haas $20 million. the losses from his accidents are less than 4 million.Haas could not even rise higher in the constructors' Cup in theory, they spent the second half of the season too poorly. so Mick made a profit for Haas.If anyone brought Haas to a loss, it was Steiner, an absolute incompetence. in 2023, it was not possible to blame the driver for the drop in results, as it was in 2022, so Steiner dropped out of the team.
Reminder that Mick was chasing his first ever points finish too, there was a lot of peessure on him to get those points and he still went attacking all the way to the line, a proper racer that could easily keep it clean wheel to wheel Mick also got a taste in Hungary '21, where Verstappen barged him out the way in T3
Mick on his day was actually a very clean and worthy racer, and races like Silverstone, Austria, Singapore and Brazil were good examples of that. It's a shame that he was quite unlucky and also had those big crashes which is what most people focused on during his time. I hope he gets another chance in F1, he surely deserves it more than some drivers on the grid as of now.
Mick reminds me of Oscar. So cool, so composed under pressure. BUT just too clean and polite with their ontrack racing...to ever have the complete skill set to be a champion......both were simply, not ruthless.
@@Mexxx65 I'm not so sure Mick is not ruthless, he is putting pressure on here. He is an F2 and F3 champion. And yet there are a few non champions on the grid still doing not much of anything and a few very unproven F2 drivers that people are obsessed with getting into F1.
@@bbtodd At this point, it's pretty clear that F2 is not an indicator of F1 success. It isn't a spec series (not a true one) and the team in f2 determines far too much. Classic example is de Vries, absolutely terrible in F1. Mick wasn't great in F1 either, crashed a tremendous amount. Meanwhile others like Tsunoda and Zhou have been fairly decent in F1 despite not being remarkable in F2.
@@thesnackbandit I couldn't disagree more. Devries struggled at AT but he has championships in multiple series, that doesn't happen by chance. Look at Pourchaire, he's an incredible driver, hopped into IndyCar and did well. Leclerc, Russell, Piastri also F2 champions. There's no way Zhou and Tsunoda are better drivers than Mick. Mick outperformed his teammate both years in F1, in what was the worst car on the grid. Yuki is getting so much praise this year for beating Daniel, but the truth is, he is barely ahead of Daniel and by some measures hasn't outperformed him. Yuki has improved after four years but got trounced by Gasly. Mick on the other hand outperformed both of his teammates and he is doing great in WEC. Of course he's a very talented driver.
@@Mexxx65 I reckon piastri definately has potential to be future champion and look at him against sainz in miami hes equal if not faster than norris most of the time and its just his second year. But also especially here mick doesnt want to jeopordize a points finish if he had a competitive car even the current haas he would be more likely to go for more tough moves
@@Sir_SlapDaBassyes according to the F1 rule book it would’ve been his fault. But in any other racing series it would’ve been Max’s fault. F1 and their silly “I’m ahead on the apex so the entire corner is mine” rules are just straight up dumb and don’t encourage wheel to wheel racing. You have to leave the space, always.
@@Volkain10that makes no sense. If your logic was applied, drivers would be divebombing left and right just to crash each other out. A driver only has to leave space if the other driver’s front wing is at least more than 1/2 a car length alongside with the driver in front. If that’s not the case, the defending driver can shut the door on the driver trying to overtake. Mick knew he had to back out because he wasn’t on the apex, nor was he more than half a car length alongside Max
@@pawanbhutra9763 do u have any self-awareness at all? in f1 u have to divebomb others so hard that u pretty much fling urself off of the racetrack and there's like hundreds of other motorsport series where they don't have to be "ahead of the apex" and they have way better racing..... how is there any argument to be had
Mick should not back off at 2:07 (I think he would be almost side to side if he did not lift), even if at the cost of crashing. That is how you earn other driver's respect (they will call you a maniac) in the sense that they know you are not the one to mess about. That is how champions like Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton (before Bottas became his teammates) and Max drive. But consider that he already crashed a lot that year and is about to lose his sit, backing off is a smart financial decision.
@@samuelteles9694 technically… yes. Hard Racing wise speaking, his father would not lift there, max was ahead but firstly he was outside and secondly he has slower cornering speed, if Mick didn’t lift, he would almost be side to side at the apex. And since this corner is almost a full throttle corner, it’s not those that u have to brake super late to avoid being a torpedo, he had
honestly isnt much. Max moved in, then immediately moved out once norris took the line, the difference was marginal but, it seems obvious from the onboard
@@bhatiabnwhat you've said is true, though max didn't counter attack on Landos move. He made a decision to take a line into the corner and lando who was behind crashed into him as he didn't want to get off his line.
@@AmericanBusinessman422 Lando couldnt go off his line lol verstappen tried to squeeze and squeezed too much. Norris dnf'ed as a result and max lost the win. Im a max fan but that was poor
Mick literally whined his way out of an F1 drive. If he'd just kept his head down, kept his mouth shut, and kept his management quiet, he'd probably be ending his 4th year at Haas and preparing to join Sauber/Audi next year.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 I wouldn't say it was that as much as it was him crashing so often and costing Haas millions upon millions of dollars that could've been used on upgrades
@@smokeybandit9760 The crashes certainly were the impetus, but how handled himself (and how his management tried to bully Haas) probably pushed the decision over the edge. For instance, in Austria '22, when it should have been a celebratory weekend for the team, he pouted and spread a negative vibe about not being allowed to pass Magnussen during the sprint. Moments like this didn't go over well with the team. But, yes, you're right, his many unforced errors were ridiculous for a "professional."
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 I think you're reading too much into that. In Austria, Mick was just frustrated that he wasn't allowed to race with Kevin because Mick was quicker than him. Haas needed the double points so they wanted Mick to hold station. Mick being a racer wanted to race which is understandable, any driver would've had the same reaction. Also, Mick's management and his uncle Ralf caused most of the noise, not really Mick himself. Mick really didn't say much of anything in response to Guenther.
@@dontjustthinkexecutejee2025 Yeah but that means drivers have to risk injury to themselves or others to overtake just because one driver cant play by the rules
good video to see that F1 rule enforcement is completely broken. Right on the first one it should have been a penalty for forcing another driver off the track..
man just shut up, you’re part of the problem with modern day racing, constant whining. Go back and watch the battles from the 90s and you’ll have a heart attack.
He is ahead in the corner, he has the advantage of taking the racing line which he did and leaves no space for another car. Completely legal, you're just a new fan.
@@shimmel796 i watch this crap since 1992, but yeah verstapentards like you never seem to see nothing wrong with this behavior. So typical. he probably gets penalties because the stewards are biased against him too, right?
@@shimmel796 "You' re just a new a fan" or "DTS fan". The only arguments of new and DTS fans that have never in their life had anything to do with motorsports. Mick was more than half a car's length alongside Ver into the corner, thus he had to give space
He could have just yoloed it in the final corner and committed. He had the overspeed and the finish was close enough where if there was contact he'd be fine. Max really forces you into positions like Senna did and I remember hearing a driver say that if you backed out against someone like that then they'll force you into submission again and again. I respect Hamilton and Norris for not backing down
@@kristoffer3000 verstappen went straight on a corner, every driver has the instinct to turn so norris turned but verstappen was occupying the whole corner, resulting in norris hitting him
@@westeeze2744 it was just a little dig at Max, and his petulant childlike reactions to being overtaken at any given time! Why, what are you talking, man?
Classic Verstappen. "You can't overtake me, but if you try, we'll both crash." This guy needs a maniac opponent who won't take their foot off the gas pedal.
yh, people like to point to other drivers and say they do it too, but Michael is a known dirty driver and drivers like Alonso, Vettel, Lewis have had multiple almost race long battles for the lead that didn't end up in a crash. This moving twice has caused Max multiple collisions at this point.
To be fair here the 'squeeze' at the end was fine-ish, Mick just backed out which is understandable but there was enough space to go alongside even if only barely. However Verstappen's 'defense' at Brooklyn's into Luffield was... questionable. And his weaving on the back straight as well.
You just claim buzzwords while enforcing an ignorant, amateurish, and pedantic view of what proper racecraft entails, making racing in your ideal world a very predictable outcome. People who've made it to F1 won't have an issue reacting to a sudden change of direction from another driver up ahead; all they need is 0.3 seconds of breathing room to react. You won't feel an F1 car's overwhelming speed when you're racing alongside another F1 car. That's why Max's shoves can be accounted for long before his rival is off-track. An easy counter is just timing an under-and-over move for when Max has committed to compromising his line just to mess with yours. Very few account for all this, and viewers of 20 years will be fooled into thinking they know racing when, in reality, the fine margin moves or valid contexts of the race's evolution are never stated or proven live on air. The thing is, with you and that profile picture you have, you visually appear as someone experienced, but you make the same claims that a two-year fan gathering information from F1 Twitter and TikTok would make. No one gets it. Experience doesn't even do the trick
@@literalswingler Since you seem eager to assume what I think of racing and how it should be done and my inexperience then let me answer in depth to you. I am now soon to be 21 years old so yes, I have not watched any of the races prior to Fernando Alonso's title years live. I do want to acknowledge though that I have been an F1 ever since I was able to see cars and remember them. My dad and me who are/were HUGE racing fans have also invested A LOT of time into educating ourselves to the history of drivers, championships, races, teams, etc. . Overall with watching races live and everything I have probably now come close to multiple thousands of hours educating myself about the sport and how you race. That being said let's get into your points. Now this video doesn't necessarily show a lot of Verstappen defense that is unacceptable. It's on the edge but still fine I guess though I myself have a different opinion on how racing should happen but either way let's stay with this mindset that modern Formula 1 has to racing. You are correct about drivers having quick reactions HOWEVER as you mention 3 tenths is enough to react for them. What Max Verstappen does quite often (and some of it was seen yesterday again) is either weaving right in front of the driver when they pull out to make a move which usually happens with a maximum of 3 metres from the nose of the one who is trying to overtake to the diffuser/tire of the one who is being overtaken. Now let's give benefit of the doubt and make it 5 metres! That is roughly the lenght of an F1 car and a bit more. That distance is not even close to coming to 3 tenths of a second in distance and reaction time. As for moving under braking which is arguably even worse your argument of reaction time is completely nullified! Once the driver has committed to braking there are only two options he has to prevent contact. They either step off the brake and can rotate the car easier again OR brake even harder (which is the usual instict of every driver be it casual or professional) to avoid contact which leads to lock-ups and often times makes avoiding the contact nigh on impossible. Now as for you suggestion for the switcharoo move that is a double edged sword especially down there at Brooklyn's and Luffield. Luffield is a right turn and if Mick had decided to brake earlier and try to go around the outside of Luffield it could have worked yes but not necessarily! Especially since this move would force the exact same outcome as Verstappen is on the inside AGAIN and can just shove him off if he wants to. And even if he didn't and they got side by side through Woodcote down to Copse Verstappen will still have the inside line and going around the outside of copse... yeah good luck! Yes I know drivers have done it but those are the moves we hail in glory because they are so brilliant, brave and difficult which would ultimately also be the same situation AGAIN! Verstappen on the inside just shoves off Mick on the outside. That's a 3 corner fight which Mick would still maybe end up losing if he did your suggested switcharoo at Brooklyn's instead of going around the outside. Now I know you will argue about tire advantage, a non-damaged car and all that which is fair enough but the possibility of Max still going for shoving off moves is a very valid concern. Despite this your argument about a compromised line only holds some truth to it. Whilst yes it is true Max doesn't get the fully ideal line he still (as every other driver does and is completely fine!) moves to the outside again before the corner entry to get as close to the ideal racing line as possible with Mick on his right side (almost exactly on the racing line at corner entry) to do exactly the opposite of what you think he does. He tries to not compromise his line as much as humanly possible and still carry as much speed through the corner as possible. Therefore with the defender compromising his line as little as possible your suggested switcharoo is something that has to be executed perfectly! With a bit of tire advantage, a boost of the battery, maybe an engine mode, and possibly DRS all of which your opponent CAN NOT be having at the same time because obviously your advantage would then be nullified. Which is also exactly what happened with Lando yesterday. Lando TRIED to force Max to compromise his exit but due to the dirty air of Max's car and Max probably boosting the hell out of that battery on that straight he was able to just squeeze ahead enough for Lando to not be able to make a move down to T4. Especially the dirty air plays a big part in this because it could crystal clearly be seen that Lando actually had the better line yet still had to fight the steering wheel and slide around a tiny bit. Sorry for this incredibly long comment but I hope you'll have read it and if so don't shy away from counter argumenting if you want to! But please in the future stop making early assumptions and try to invalidate my points purely for the assumption of me being inexperienced, thank you!
It was a nice tough fight apart from the last corner, where Max said "you back off or we crash" and Haas needed that P8 much more than Max needed a P7.
I don't have any issues with Max's defense here. He could have given more space, but if you want to pass someone around the outside, you need to be directly alongside him, so that he CANNOT squeeze you out. In Austria, Lando was alongside and had nowhere else to go. Max made a small mistake by drifting too far and just touched him. It wasn't intentional, but his movements (twice) under braking were intentional and dirty. He should have been penalized for those but was instead lightly penalized for a mistake.
@@dereksbooks max fault but, lando has plenty of space outside. if you look at older videos of overtakes at same turn, drivers defend similary, its the nature of the turn. lando could have avoided crash by riding the kerb. max could have avoided tha crash by not squeezing lando hard. about moving under braking, its never confirmed, max denied. fia only penalised him for crashing into lando. there are no substancial proof of him moving under braking by the british media who are still on it
Pushing off the track at 0:55 .. Amazing defense, so much skill... lmao. Can't believe people actually think that is racing. "Oh I'm 0.5m ahead, I get to to just act like you don't exist now"
It's not a grey area. He just gets away with it because the FIA doesnt have the balls to enfore their own rules because it would ruin the show. It's like wwe nowadays man
Squeezing anywhere on the exit of any corner is a valid technique, if so long as you're the car ahead. Max has done it numerous times and it's happened to him numerous times as well
Mick in WEC also proved he is more than good for F1 seat, he became the fastest Alpine drivers in WEC right now even as inexperienced driver. Mick clearly deserves F1 seat way more than many unproven rookie on current grid.
I still don’t understand all the flak Mick gets. I’ve always supported this guy because I truly believe in him. Is he Michael no. But he’s a decent racing driver overall and imo he drove better in Haas than Mag is right now. Mick still have so little experience how is one meant to learn and develop if he never gets to compete. Too many drivers on the grid having long careers and proving they don’t deserve an F1 seat. Mick deserves the chance to have a 5 year stint and see how he performs. 2 season and then you’re considered trash is pretty sad.
Clean battle between these both and I understand that Mick tried not to break the car in last corner honestly he should've been lift off aggressively otherwise it might heavily cost a lot to Haas because of Mick crashes at certain times especially how many Mick has tremendous crash in F1 regardless he still has a potential if only given a chance to drive in F1,he is even far miles better than De Vries in AT and during his time in WEC is just part time jobs for him to keep his career going
FOR ALL F1 DRIVERS: See screen on minute 1:00. Do NOT open steering wheel, keep your right to stay on track and have car contact if he keeps pushing you off track. Next time he will RESPECT you more.
@@lukasm.1894 I remember that and I'm a little bit bitter about the way people treat Perez (really think he shouldn't be at Red Bull anymore), just pointing out something that also happened on the past GP (RB driver chased and chasing a Haas while damaged)
You can see at 1:58 how both Verstappen and Schumacher brake in a straight line, yet Verstappen comes closer to Schumacher. Schumacher brakes parallel to the track and Verstappen brakes at an angle opposite the direction of the corner, same thing he did in Austria against Lando. Not technically illegal, but very impolite.
Finally, someone else who understands. Max wasn't moving in the braking zone. He was just braking at an angle to the track, which is perfectly fair. It's akin to what Alonso was trying to do in Australia (braking earlier for a corner) - throws the opponent off their rhythm.
To all the people screaming PENALTY on everything. Why the need to interfere with every single little race incident and racing moment? It's motorsport. The driver on the inside dictates the line and the driver on the outside knows that he's taking a risk. This is the motorsport equivelant of telling you that you have to take right and left steps to walk forward and yet the F1 fanbase has a lot of people who think it's public traffic and that drivers are always entitled to space regardless of being on the outside. If you want to overtake Max you have to race like Max. It'll earn respect with him and it's settled. All this bs interference with motorsport treating it like it's a non contact sport is not what the actual drivers know what it is. I'm not saying he's not a dickhead on track, you can choose to drive like a gentlemen and that'll give you a reputation, but you can be harsh too as long as you don't endanger anyone. The whole philosophy of handing out penalties left right and center kills sport i.m.o. Not that he hasn't gotten away with stuff before where he blatantly steers in the opposite direction to push someone off or does impossible divebombs, but in this video he didn't do anything stupid. Sorry for the mean rant..
If you have the inside line, the corner is yours. Simple as that; you can force the driver trying to stick it on the outside line to back off...that is unless you are FULLY alongside or are a noselength ahead. Don't be like 'you always need to leave the door open'...
Funny to see how British media is actually dive bombing and attacking Max his aggressive defensive style. It's not from a neutral perspective, that's fo sure.
Rule state if driver force off track receives 5s penalty and not mistaken Max did force Mick off track doesn't matter what it is what matter he did broke rule max get 5s penalty and lose position to Mick or 2 spots
Why? He got his chance and unfortunatelly he wasn't performing very well. Yes, he had a few good races but it just wasn't enough to earn his place. He was outperformed by Magnussen significantly, and Magnussen is currently outperformed by Hulk. There are other drivers, who deserve their chance.
@@Synur97 very simple minded man. he outperformes him, so he's clearly better. oh now the other guy outperformes him, that means he's at least twice as good as the first guy... Mick was driving very well, he just had a couple of accidents (nothing compared to other drivers that were on the grid longer like Sergeant or Mazipin) but Micks accidents were very expensive, Monaco for example. And with the budget cap in place and a small team like Haas struggling with the cap as it is, they needed a driver who crashes less. so driving wise Mick def deserves a decent second chance in F1. the fact that he is a f2 Champion and drives really good for Alpine in the WEC proves he is a good driver
Ah yes, 1 close defense under braking which ended in 2 punctures from Max after Norris divebombed and pushed him off several times and EVERYONE in F1 starts slandering him again. It‘s way too funny how people keep bashing on Max because he‘s just better than any other driver on the current grid and people just wait for that 1 moment where they have the chance to slander him.
You are just a verstappen fan with confirmation bias. He is an amazing driver in so many ways, but his defensive skills really need to change. Moved under braking (illegal) 3 times against Norris, then didn't leave a cars width on the outside (illegal) then did a Rosberg and turned in way too late to the corner, forcing Norris off and breaking his front wing in the process. Then to top it all off, as Norris is coming back on the track Max threatens to push him onto the grass. If you need reminding of this just watch Anthony Davidson's analysis at the skypad.
Nothing wrong with this. Funny how it's aggressive when it's Max but if it was Lewis it'd be "upto the limits but fair" or Alonso "Really intelligent defending"
@@twosnakse your assumption is, as Yuki would say "retarded" i would rather have seen Lando win but the pair of them were just incompetent when they were battling. Shame because they've been the standouts all season.
yeah its about clean defense and hard racing defense the so called aggressive is the defence that max did to lewis on brazil or max did to leclerc on las vegas when both of them are outside the road because of that defence
@@GurtMan100they have a reputation for it, just not as highly publicised as Max's due to the collective biases that people typically hold online over the issue I'm not even saying this to spite, because it's a sentiment shared by all the commentators as well. Just saying it how it is
I remember this race. IIRC Max had some minor floor damage that caused a major loss in performance. It was so weird because the car didn't look damaged from any close up view, yet it was an absolute slug. And this was during the first years of the new ground effect regs where RB in the lead was pulling 20 second gaps from 2nd place.
Makes sense though, RB's floor was superb and giving them insane performance. When that floor gets damaged a big portion of the RB downforce goes with it.
With yesterday's incident everything is simple. Max overestimated Norris's skill. Max always leaves room for passing and obviously he will do this in such a way as not to allow you to easily overtake him. If Norris thought that he could overtake him like some Leclerc, then no. Well, Lando was even more disappointed. He had the fastest car at the end but all he came up with was dive bombs. It feels like it would be better if Max didn’t dodge them then they would make Norris guilty
Yep. Even with technical racecraft infringements, most drivers side by side are able to get out in one piece. Even through most battles between Max and Lewis in 2021, they were able to get through ok - only times they didnt were when both were brain dead (Jeddah) or one if them overtly made a move that wasnt gonna have a hope of being clean (Imola, Silverstone) Norris, although he didnt do anything wrong technically, did actually have time to react and go on the curbs to avoid collision. Strictly speaking, was he obliged to? No. But would it have been smart and relatively painless for him to have? Absolutely. For what it's worth, Max was done turning left by the time Norris' front wing reached the rear of Max's car, and only when they were fully alongside did contact occur. Most other instances, most drivers could have reacted to such a squeeze. Max has had to do it before, and Max has forced other drivers to do it before Lando lacked self preservation, which many may think is a sign of how ruthless he is able to be in racecraft but he didnt calculate it right and he paid the worse price for it
The main thing here is that Max doesn’t care nearly as much as Mick. He gets a few meaningless points, while Nick gets a chance to score the best position of his f1 career at a point where it is in jeopardy. Max can be obnoxiously aggressive and present Mick with the choice of risking to crash and lose everything or stay behind. Max is a horribly aggressive driver. If you are in a position where you can’t call his bluff and risk crashing both cars by standing your ground, you are screwed.
He lost his seat to himself. How many times he destroyed his car, aways crashing. If he had been more constant, If he hadn't crashed so much, maybe he'd still be in F1 today. But this chase was indeed awesome, he totally deserved the P. Max went dirty a couple of times there.
Another fantastic video, could you please make one "Verstappen-Norris Austria 2024 vs Hamilton-Vettel 2018"? So that we can see how much space in comparison Norris had at his left before that contact with Max
its called aggressive before 2021 but u forgot smth.. the rule that have made for max to stop doing this on 2022 people call it “verstappen rule” want some fact check i can send u link
The better wheel-to-wheel Silverstone battle was Verstappen Vs Leclerc 2017. Silverstone sprint and Sunday main race should be mega with different weather conditions on Saturday sprint and Sunday race.
I don't get it, people think competitive drivers are docile puppies? Look at Juam Pablo Montoya when the cameraman hit his head, a completely excusable situation. They are like Fighter jet Aces, they aren't there to make friends, they are there to "kill" (win).
If you notice Lando's driving but especially Max's seems to be conditioned, unconsciously, by what you would expect other cars to do in a videogame/ simulator (on AI type behavior). In other words, the other car WILL give way. Both Drivers are avid Sim racers.
I wish there would be a driver coming into Formula 1 who is driving so dirty, and recklessly against Verstappen as Max himself. That guy would need to have some insolent character too…
If I was in Mick's place I would have sent Verstappen flying with his car into the barriers. Somebody has to let him know that if he defends like this he will not finish the race. Race direction is so inconsistent with the penalties to Verstappen that it's becoming painful to watch. In 2022 Fernando said to Hamilton "This guy knows how to race only if he starts first". I think Verstappen knows how to race only if he is clearly first with 10 seconds of margin.
@@liamcoleman6196 it was a comment about Verstappen behaviour in general. How many times in the last years he had to come up from below 10th place? And how many of those times he had the clearly better car, so much better that drivers preferred to let him pass without fighting? The point of my argument is clear as day: the year in which the car starts to be not as dominant as the previous season and he has to fight again against other drivers to be in front we start to see again how dirty he can be while defending. He is not even smart with it, because he completely shuts off his brain when somebody starts to poke him. He moves under braking, he squeezes people of the track. Nobody can deny this. There is an entire history of crashes that he caused simply because he refuses to be a fair driver. I want to see car race fairly side by side and doing a corner together and the driver who's better wins, if I wanted to see monster trucks I wouldn't follow F1.
race director is actually very consistent with max penalties. Gave him a 5 sec penalty in Vegas for forcing Leclerc out and a 10seconds this time for moving under breaking. The penalty is decided based on how the collision occur, not the outcome of the collision. If it was based on the outcome hamilton should have been black flagged in Silverstone 2021. Also Verstappen won the sprint race in Austria this week, won the grand prix in Imola, Canada and Spain, all with Norris finishing in P2 within 10sec margin. So watch more races before you comment, Mr idiot.
@@antoniosorrentino1737 Champions don’t become champions unfortunately without crossing lines at some stage . Schumacher and Senna were the exact same, but are now seen as legends of the sport . I understand your point but unfortunately to be the best of the best you have to push the limit.
I’m of the view that max is too aggressive and is borderline dirty as a driver in combat BUT… I have to say, I don’t see anything wrong here at all. Solid defence, he was ahead at all times, Mick was never sufficiently alongside or ahead at any apex. Max running him out wide is okay because he had the corner, he was entitled to take his racing line. Honestly just good defensive driving.
The FIA has nothing to do with this man. I understand that he is a good driver, he breaks records, but let's apply the rules for everyone and stop being blind
But they did penalize him? Hamilton almost killed Max in Silverstone and got 10 seconds. Both penalties were right as in both cases the fault is not intentional (nor that we can prove it).
@@ritabuba4831yep. Squeezing on corner exit and even forcing off track is perfectly allowed and pretty much everyone gets away with it if they're the car in front
@@ritabuba4831there's literally a rule that FIA introduced just because Max was running drivers off track after 2021. It's even known as the Max Verstappen rule. Are you following F1 or just watching Max Verstappen highlights on youtube?
How Verstappen dominated in Austria Q3: th-cam.com/video/0lwyHUW03vE/w-d-xo.html
This is not agressieve?
This racing.
Reed the rules, a driver who has the inside from the corner owns the corner and may dictate the drive.
Listen to Eddy Jordan, Peter Windsor and other profesional drivers.
Max "I'm turning now. Good luck everybody else"
Family Guy on Asian drivers :)
@@davidnewbaum6346 Asian *female drivers
@@davidnewbaum6346 asian female drivers and dumbass bmw drivers
This and the duel in Austria with Hamilton were the races where Mick earned a huge amount of respect from me, although I had already cheered for him. He was extremely clean and he proved that he could fight against two world champions when he had a proper chance to do it.
Fr. Although i personally dont think Mick is champion material, he's 100% good enough for F1 and it's sad that he isnt getting another shot
It's a shame that he was so crash prone and a nightmare for HAAS budget,he really had the skills and was a clean wheel to wheel driver,but too clumsy for his career.
@@DerpSherman welll the car was shit in the first place. put him in that rb and he flies past.
Also notice how Mick puts on the pressure but no dive bombing
@@DerpSherman Mick's sponsors brought Haas $20 million. the losses from his accidents are less than 4 million.Haas could not even rise higher in the constructors' Cup in theory, they spent the second half of the season too poorly. so Mick made a profit for Haas.If anyone brought Haas to a loss, it was Steiner, an absolute incompetence. in 2023, it was not possible to blame the driver for the drop in results, as it was in 2022, so Steiner dropped out of the team.
Reminder that Mick was chasing his first ever points finish too, there was a lot of peessure on him to get those points and he still went attacking all the way to the line, a proper racer that could easily keep it clean wheel to wheel
Mick also got a taste in Hungary '21, where Verstappen barged him out the way in T3
I think Sauber should go with Schumacher and go for an all German team
@@RubensBarrichello. That would be nice, it did feel like he should've been there rather than Haas
Barged him out the way? You're talking about Hungary 2021? Is it because of the slight wheelbang out of one corner?
@@RubensBarrichello.However Sauber is Swiss. Audi though is German.
I would change the title to "Mick gets a taste of what his father's defense was"
max is way more reckless.
Still better would be "Max gets a taste of not being pushed out into the wall in wheel to wheel combat at Silverstone"
@@sidarora88 yeah look at that. Max didnt cut across Mick in that corner so both made it
@@x_aquatix_x That's a ludicrous take.
@@x_aquatix_x I've never seen Max knowingly trying to kill someone
Mick on his day was actually a very clean and worthy racer, and races like Silverstone, Austria, Singapore and Brazil were good examples of that. It's a shame that he was quite unlucky and also had those big crashes which is what most people focused on during his time. I hope he gets another chance in F1, he surely deserves it more than some drivers on the grid as of now.
Mick reminds me of Oscar. So cool, so composed under pressure. BUT just too clean and polite with their ontrack racing...to ever have the complete skill set to be a champion......both were simply, not ruthless.
@@Mexxx65 I'm not so sure Mick is not ruthless, he is putting pressure on here. He is an F2 and F3 champion. And yet there are a few non champions on the grid still doing not much of anything and a few very unproven F2 drivers that people are obsessed with getting into F1.
@@bbtodd At this point, it's pretty clear that F2 is not an indicator of F1 success. It isn't a spec series (not a true one) and the team in f2 determines far too much. Classic example is de Vries, absolutely terrible in F1. Mick wasn't great in F1 either, crashed a tremendous amount. Meanwhile others like Tsunoda and Zhou have been fairly decent in F1 despite not being remarkable in F2.
@@thesnackbandit I couldn't disagree more. Devries struggled at AT but he has championships in multiple series, that doesn't happen by chance. Look at Pourchaire, he's an incredible driver, hopped into IndyCar and did well. Leclerc, Russell, Piastri also F2 champions. There's no way Zhou and Tsunoda are better drivers than Mick. Mick outperformed his teammate both years in F1, in what was the worst car on the grid. Yuki is getting so much praise this year for beating Daniel, but the truth is, he is barely ahead of Daniel and by some measures hasn't outperformed him. Yuki has improved after four years but got trounced by Gasly. Mick on the other hand outperformed both of his teammates and he is doing great in WEC. Of course he's a very talented driver.
@@Mexxx65 I reckon piastri definately has potential to be future champion and look at him against sainz in miami hes equal if not faster than norris most of the time and its just his second year. But also especially here mick doesnt want to jeopordize a points finish if he had a competitive car even the current haas he would be more likely to go for more tough moves
Horner: Its all about letting them race
Masi: We went to car racing
That was said by Jonathan wheatley i think
FIA rules: penalty
More like it’s all about letting Max get away with this sh*t for the last 5 years. The dude needs a race ban or two already.
@@43ten43 maybe you need one with your constant whining
@@JaydanPuriel Bro your search history is public. You’re into some sick stuff. 🤮😂. Fix that and then come back if you want to talk 😱
I wish mick wouldn’t have lifted off in the last corner
They would have touched and it would have been micks fault
@@Sir_SlapDaBassyes according to the F1 rule book it would’ve been his fault. But in any other racing series it would’ve been Max’s fault. F1 and their silly “I’m ahead on the apex so the entire corner is mine” rules are just straight up dumb and don’t encourage wheel to wheel racing. You have to leave the space, always.
@@Volkain10that makes no sense. If your logic was applied, drivers would be divebombing left and right just to crash each other out. A driver only has to leave space if the other driver’s front wing is at least more than 1/2 a car length alongside with the driver in front. If that’s not the case, the defending driver can shut the door on the driver trying to overtake. Mick knew he had to back out because he wasn’t on the apex, nor was he more than half a car length alongside Max
@@Volkain10I agree you should go be the fia and ban max and send him back to jos for karma
@@pawanbhutra9763 do u have any self-awareness at all? in f1 u have to divebomb others so hard that u pretty much fling urself off of the racetrack and there's like hundreds of other motorsport series where they don't have to be "ahead of the apex" and they have way better racing..... how is there any argument to be had
Mick should not back off at 2:07 (I think he would be almost side to side if he did not lift), even if at the cost of crashing. That is how you earn other driver's respect (they will call you a maniac) in the sense that they know you are not the one to mess about. That is how champions like Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton (before Bottas became his teammates) and Max drive. But consider that he already crashed a lot that year and is about to lose his sit, backing off is a smart financial decision.
@@samuelteles9694 technically… yes. Hard Racing wise speaking, his father would not lift there, max was ahead but firstly he was outside and secondly he has slower cornering speed, if Mick didn’t lift, he would almost be side to side at the apex. And since this corner is almost a full throttle corner, it’s not those that u have to brake super late to avoid being a torpedo, he had
Max knew he is superior to Mick financially so he has nothing to lose. What a btch.
@bokebryant3985 mick had way more to loose though being a haas in the points
@@samuelteles9694 That's not how rules and real, hard and fair racing works, broski.
When you're not regularly in the top 10, it's more important to finish P7 than risk a DNF
This clip itself proves that Mick is a good driver and should deservedly be in an f1 seat.
a good driver would have floor it at 2:06
💯 @@ElChapoDel8
@@ElChapoDel8Not If He want to Safe Points and don't want to crash
Can you do a video about the Norris- Verstappen incident?
honestly isnt much. Max moved in, then immediately moved out once norris took the line, the difference was marginal but, it seems obvious from the onboard
That would be great compare to the 2016 and 2019 incidents
@@bhatiabnwhat you've said is true, though max didn't counter attack on Landos move. He made a decision to take a line into the corner and lando who was behind crashed into him as he didn't want to get off his line.
@@AmericanBusinessman422 Lando couldnt go off his line lol verstappen tried to squeeze and squeezed too much. Norris dnf'ed as a result and max lost the win.
Im a max fan but that was poor
@@andreasthiemke9520 Norris definitely could've gone on the curb as Max has done in previous years when battling Leclerc.
Mick fully concentrated, no whining at all
there was probably a lot of whining., it's not because it wasn't broadcasted that it didn't happen.
Mick literally whined his way out of an F1 drive. If he'd just kept his head down, kept his mouth shut, and kept his management quiet, he'd probably be ending his 4th year at Haas and preparing to join Sauber/Audi next year.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 I wouldn't say it was that as much as it was him crashing so often and costing Haas millions upon millions of dollars that could've been used on upgrades
@@smokeybandit9760 The crashes certainly were the impetus, but how handled himself (and how his management tried to bully Haas) probably pushed the decision over the edge. For instance, in Austria '22, when it should have been a celebratory weekend for the team, he pouted and spread a negative vibe about not being allowed to pass Magnussen during the sprint. Moments like this didn't go over well with the team. But, yes, you're right, his many unforced errors were ridiculous for a "professional."
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 I think you're reading too much into that. In Austria, Mick was just frustrated that he wasn't allowed to race with Kevin because Mick was quicker than him. Haas needed the double points so they wanted Mick to hold station. Mick being a racer wanted to race which is understandable, any driver would've had the same reaction. Also, Mick's management and his uncle Ralf caused most of the noise, not really Mick himself. Mick really didn't say much of anything in response to Guenther.
Max is relentless, he usually gives his opponent two options: back off or crash.
crash together
Sounds like senna
And somehow people think that's good racing
@@Matthijs3476 exactly! If it were me I for sure wouldn't have backed off. If it meant losing my first points so be it.
@@dontjustthinkexecutejee2025 Yeah but that means drivers have to risk injury to themselves or others to overtake just because one driver cant play by the rules
good video to see that F1 rule enforcement is completely broken.
Right on the first one it should have been a penalty for forcing another driver off the track..
man just shut up, you’re part of the problem with modern day racing, constant whining. Go back and watch the battles from the 90s and you’ll have a heart attack.
He is ahead in the corner, he has the advantage of taking the racing line which he did and leaves no space for another car. Completely legal, you're just a new fan.
@@shimmel796 i watch this crap since 1992, but yeah verstapentards like you never seem to see nothing wrong with this behavior. So typical.
he probably gets penalties because the stewards are biased against him too, right?
@@shimmel796 "You' re just a new a fan" or "DTS fan". The only arguments of new and DTS fans that have never in their life had anything to do with motorsports. Mick was more than half a car's length alongside Ver into the corner, thus he had to give space
@Tony-xx1dz no, max was on the racing line and mick was not ahead, so in return not his position
He could have just yoloed it in the final corner and committed. He had the overspeed and the finish was close enough where if there was contact he'd be fine. Max really forces you into positions like Senna did and I remember hearing a driver say that if you backed out against someone like that then they'll force you into submission again and again. I respect Hamilton and Norris for not backing down
mick with better reflexes than norris lmao
Xd not
Hmmm how?
He also didn't just do a weird wiggle to hit Max, which is something I've not seen people talk about.
@@kristoffer3000 verstappen went straight on a corner, every driver has the instinct to turn so norris turned but verstappen was occupying the whole corner, resulting in norris hitting him
These dutchy lil bitchy fanbois are still OD on copium apparently.
Think this is actually the most clean and respectful clip of Max defending that I've ever seen!
what are u talking man???😭
@@westeeze2744
it was just a little dig at Max, and his petulant childlike reactions to being overtaken at any given time!
Why, what are you talking, man?
verstappen needs a montoya in his life to prove his defensive skills wrong
He'd just crash him out lol
His confidence was sky high. I really hope we see him back.
Classic Verstappen. "You can't overtake me, but if you try, we'll both crash." This guy needs a maniac opponent who won't take their foot off the gas pedal.
Magnussen needs to battle Verstappen 😂
Well, Hamilton didnt back off in Silverstone 2021...
@@TheMack177 Verstappen turned in twice. Watch his onboard.
You are a simple hater... ofc
Ocon could be this guy
alonso is the king of defense in formula 1. Max' "aggresive" defense is simply forcing other drivers off track
His racing style relies on others backing out. Once someone is willing to not back down and race max how he races others, then there is always contact
yh, people like to point to other drivers and say they do it too, but Michael is a known dirty driver and drivers like Alonso, Vettel, Lewis have had multiple almost race long battles for the lead that didn't end up in a crash.
This moving twice has caused Max multiple collisions at this point.
Explain how there’s never contact when Max and Charles battle then?
@@NewscasterNews4 ummmm what?? austria 2019…
@@danmiller8152 congrats on pulling up an example from last decade as the most recent time they made contact. Got any others?
To be fair here the 'squeeze' at the end was fine-ish, Mick just backed out which is understandable but there was enough space to go alongside even if only barely. However Verstappen's 'defense' at Brooklyn's into Luffield was... questionable. And his weaving on the back straight as well.
You just claim buzzwords while enforcing an ignorant, amateurish, and pedantic view of what proper racecraft entails, making racing in your ideal world a very predictable outcome. People who've made it to F1 won't have an issue reacting to a sudden change of direction from another driver up ahead; all they need is 0.3 seconds of breathing room to react. You won't feel an F1 car's overwhelming speed when you're racing alongside another F1 car. That's why Max's shoves can be accounted for long before his rival is off-track. An easy counter is just timing an under-and-over move for when Max has committed to compromising his line just to mess with yours. Very few account for all this, and viewers of 20 years will be fooled into thinking they know racing when, in reality, the fine margin moves or valid contexts of the race's evolution are never stated or proven live on air. The thing is, with you and that profile picture you have, you visually appear as someone experienced, but you make the same claims that a two-year fan gathering information from F1 Twitter and TikTok would make. No one gets it. Experience doesn't even do the trick
@@literalswingler Damn it's not that serious 😂
@@literalswingler Since you seem eager to assume what I think of racing and how it should be done and my inexperience then let me answer in depth to you.
I am now soon to be 21 years old so yes, I have not watched any of the races prior to Fernando Alonso's title years live. I do want to acknowledge though that I have been an F1 ever since I was able to see cars and remember them. My dad and me who are/were HUGE racing fans have also invested A LOT of time into educating ourselves to the history of drivers, championships, races, teams, etc. . Overall with watching races live and everything I have probably now come close to multiple thousands of hours educating myself about the sport and how you race.
That being said let's get into your points.
Now this video doesn't necessarily show a lot of Verstappen defense that is unacceptable. It's on the edge but still fine I guess though I myself have a different opinion on how racing should happen but either way let's stay with this mindset that modern Formula 1 has to racing.
You are correct about drivers having quick reactions HOWEVER as you mention 3 tenths is enough to react for them. What Max Verstappen does quite often (and some of it was seen yesterday again) is either weaving right in front of the driver when they pull out to make a move which usually happens with a maximum of 3 metres from the nose of the one who is trying to overtake to the diffuser/tire of the one who is being overtaken. Now let's give benefit of the doubt and make it 5 metres! That is roughly the lenght of an F1 car and a bit more. That distance is not even close to coming to 3 tenths of a second in distance and reaction time.
As for moving under braking which is arguably even worse your argument of reaction time is completely nullified! Once the driver has committed to braking there are only two options he has to prevent contact. They either step off the brake and can rotate the car easier again OR brake even harder (which is the usual instict of every driver be it casual or professional) to avoid contact which leads to lock-ups and often times makes avoiding the contact nigh on impossible.
Now as for you suggestion for the switcharoo move that is a double edged sword especially down there at Brooklyn's and Luffield. Luffield is a right turn and if Mick had decided to brake earlier and try to go around the outside of Luffield it could have worked yes but not necessarily! Especially since this move would force the exact same outcome as Verstappen is on the inside AGAIN and can just shove him off if he wants to. And even if he didn't and they got side by side through Woodcote down to Copse Verstappen will still have the inside line and going around the outside of copse... yeah good luck! Yes I know drivers have done it but those are the moves we hail in glory because they are so brilliant, brave and difficult which would ultimately also be the same situation AGAIN!
Verstappen on the inside just shoves off Mick on the outside. That's a 3 corner fight which Mick would still maybe end up losing if he did your suggested switcharoo at Brooklyn's instead of going around the outside.
Now I know you will argue about tire advantage, a non-damaged car and all that which is fair enough but the possibility of Max still going for shoving off moves is a very valid concern.
Despite this your argument about a compromised line only holds some truth to it. Whilst yes it is true Max doesn't get the fully ideal line he still (as every other driver does and is completely fine!) moves to the outside again before the corner entry to get as close to the ideal racing line as possible with Mick on his right side (almost exactly on the racing line at corner entry) to do exactly the opposite of what you think he does. He tries to not compromise his line as much as humanly possible and still carry as much speed through the corner as possible. Therefore with the defender compromising his line as little as possible your suggested switcharoo is something that has to be executed perfectly! With a bit of tire advantage, a boost of the battery, maybe an engine mode, and possibly DRS all of which your opponent CAN NOT be having at the same time because obviously your advantage would then be nullified. Which is also exactly what happened with Lando yesterday. Lando TRIED to force Max to compromise his exit but due to the dirty air of Max's car and Max probably boosting the hell out of that battery on that straight he was able to just squeeze ahead enough for Lando to not be able to make a move down to T4. Especially the dirty air plays a big part in this because it could crystal clearly be seen that Lando actually had the better line yet still had to fight the steering wheel and slide around a tiny bit.
Sorry for this incredibly long comment but I hope you'll have read it and if so don't shy away from counter argumenting if you want to! But please in the future stop making early assumptions and try to invalidate my points purely for the assumption of me being inexperienced, thank you!
@@literalswingler bro is acting like the crossover is some kind of ancient forgotten power move 😂
You have to leave a space! All the time you have to leave a space!
It was a nice tough fight apart from the last corner, where Max said "you back off or we crash" and Haas needed that P8 much more than Max needed a P7.
You can tell Mick enjoyed that at the end lol
Damn i forgot about this one, goated content m8!
That's dirty at the end ..
I don't have any issues with Max's defense here. He could have given more space, but if you want to pass someone around the outside, you need to be directly alongside him, so that he CANNOT squeeze you out. In Austria, Lando was alongside and had nowhere else to go. Max made a small mistake by drifting too far and just touched him. It wasn't intentional, but his movements (twice) under braking were intentional and dirty. He should have been penalized for those but was instead lightly penalized for a mistake.
Nope it's absolutely okay, but that's right at the limit
@@dereksbooks Max didn't move under braking in austria. Look at his onboards
@@dereksbooks max fault but, lando has plenty of space outside. if you look at older videos of overtakes at same turn, drivers defend similary, its the nature of the turn. lando could have avoided crash by riding the kerb. max could have avoided tha crash by not squeezing lando hard. about moving under braking, its never confirmed, max denied. fia only penalised him for crashing into lando. there are no substancial proof of him moving under braking by the british media who are still on it
Its racing, its called squeezing.
I root for Max but i hate to see these two instances of dirty driving being praised as "proper driving" and "clean defense".
Needs to also be said that Verstappen was driving a car that had a massive hole in the floor of it thanks to running over debris.
Doesn't explain driving into others
@@A-BYTE64
He doesn't. Him and Norris only touched wheels.
@@richy69ify Because he moved under braking...
@@richy69ify What on Earth are you on about? What does Norris have to do with this video?
ok but it's not what the video is about is it
Pushing off the track at 0:55 .. Amazing defense, so much skill... lmao. Can't believe people actually think that is racing. "Oh I'm 0.5m ahead, I get to to just act like you don't exist now"
"Little squeeze" is how pushing off the track is called in this channel when Max does it.
Word
*Drives someone 90% alongside off track*
Perfect racing, well done max!
F1 fanboy truly biased hypocrite. Max pushing Mick to grass isn't "a bit pushing" but dirty driving. Max should get penalty.
„He is reacting to my moves! Thats not allowed“
Is what Lando would have said. 😂
This is actually a cleaner MV defense than we saw in Austria mate, doubt it
why pushing on the outside is allowed? as long as it will be permitted, max would be idiot to not take advantage of this grey area in the rules!
he is called crashtappen for a reason its fair and legal unless he met a driver that willing to collide with him and that will backfire to max
@tedfromyt6523 lol yeah that's his nickname if you have the maturity of a 12 year old
It's not a grey area. He just gets away with it because the FIA doesnt have the balls to enfore their own rules because it would ruin the show. It's like wwe nowadays man
@@Matthijs3476 stewards are former drivers and don't want to penalize too much too. in autraia it was jhonny herbert, which is quite a nice guy.
@@Housestationlive They are almost never drivers lol. And it shouldnt be a choice whether to enforce the rules or not
So squeezing while on outside at Stowe is a valid technique?
Squeezing anywhere on the exit of any corner is a valid technique, if so long as you're the car ahead. Max has done it numerous times and it's happened to him numerous times as well
@@AdotLOM True, I was just asking. I need to Start doing that in the games more often then
It was also a new rule implemented in 2022.
If you force a driver off track but keep between the lines the move is legal.
@@JuicedOnKids at the very least, it makes more racecraft options available for attackers and defenders
Valid this video
Mick is such a great driver, so underrated because of the costly crashes he had
Lol the irony
Mick in WEC also proved he is more than good for F1 seat, he became the fastest Alpine drivers in WEC right now even as inexperienced driver. Mick clearly deserves F1 seat way more than many unproven rookie on current grid.
I still don’t understand all the flak Mick gets. I’ve always supported this guy because I truly believe in him. Is he Michael no. But he’s a decent racing driver overall and imo he drove better in Haas than Mag is right now. Mick still have so little experience how is one meant to learn and develop if he never gets to compete. Too many drivers on the grid having long careers and proving they don’t deserve an F1 seat. Mick deserves the chance to have a 5 year stint and see how he performs. 2 season and then you’re considered trash is pretty sad.
Don't let him bully ya son
Clean battle between these both and I understand that Mick tried not to break the car in last corner honestly he should've been lift off aggressively otherwise it might heavily cost a lot to Haas because of Mick crashes at certain times especially how many Mick has tremendous crash in F1 regardless he still has a potential if only given a chance to drive in F1,he is even far miles better than De Vries in AT and during his time in WEC is just part time jobs for him to keep his career going
Max was driving with only half a floor here. Still making the most of it. Legend.
What are F1s rules on leaving space for a driver at corner exit?
FOR ALL F1 DRIVERS:
See screen on minute 1:00. Do NOT open steering wheel, keep your right to stay on track and have car contact if he keeps pushing you off track.
Next time he will RESPECT you more.
mick has speed, i hope he return in 2025 with mercedes or alpine.
If he's the fastest during the shootout against jack he should earn the 2025 seat
No, he was rubish
Based af pfp, too bad Mick isn't actually uh... fast though lol
$$$ per kilometer
communism is a failed ideology.
The all-mighty world champ being chased by a Haas and there's not a million people asking him to lose his seat? Shocking
His car was damaged. You could see how much time it cost him every corner
@@lukasm.1894 I remember that and I'm a little bit bitter about the way people treat Perez (really think he shouldn't be at Red Bull anymore), just pointing out something that also happened on the past GP (RB driver chased and chasing a Haas while damaged)
I’d change the title to “Mick gets terrorised in Silverstone”
I’d say you’d known all about terrorizing with a name line Kareema
@@Jrh-rp7np yes definitely mate that’s why I’m qualified to be able to point it out and you’re not😂
Another DTS fan
I would change the title to "Crashtappen showed how he win race by pushing other driver but not getting penalty"
its not the same defence what u wanna pull up is his defence again ricciardo at bako thats a classic
they blamed ricciardo for it but the rules disagree lol
You can see at 1:58 how both Verstappen and Schumacher brake in a straight line, yet Verstappen comes closer to Schumacher. Schumacher brakes parallel to the track and Verstappen brakes at an angle opposite the direction of the corner, same thing he did in Austria against Lando.
Not technically illegal, but very impolite.
Finally, someone else who understands. Max wasn't moving in the braking zone. He was just braking at an angle to the track, which is perfectly fair. It's akin to what Alonso was trying to do in Australia (braking earlier for a corner) - throws the opponent off their rhythm.
His dad should have never went skiing.
To all the people screaming PENALTY on everything. Why the need to interfere with every single little race incident and racing moment? It's motorsport. The driver on the inside dictates the line and the driver on the outside knows that he's taking a risk. This is the motorsport equivelant of telling you that you have to take right and left steps to walk forward and yet the F1 fanbase has a lot of people who think it's public traffic and that drivers are always entitled to space regardless of being on the outside. If you want to overtake Max you have to race like Max. It'll earn respect with him and it's settled. All this bs interference with motorsport treating it like it's a non contact sport is not what the actual drivers know what it is. I'm not saying he's not a dickhead on track, you can choose to drive like a gentlemen and that'll give you a reputation, but you can be harsh too as long as you don't endanger anyone. The whole philosophy of handing out penalties left right and center kills sport i.m.o. Not that he hasn't gotten away with stuff before where he blatantly steers in the opposite direction to push someone off or does impossible divebombs, but in this video he didn't do anything stupid.
Sorry for the mean rant..
The son of a world champion fighting the son of someone who never ever won a race
Goated content
mick had the "schumacher experience"
It's like you ain't even gotta leave a space and running the opponent off the road is cool
If you have the inside line, the corner is yours. Simple as that; you can force the driver trying to stick it on the outside line to back off...that is unless you are FULLY alongside or are a noselength ahead. Don't be like 'you always need to leave the door open'...
Hulkenburg nice.
Is that Ricciwrdo trying to pronounce it or something?
Funny to see how British media is actually dive bombing and attacking Max his aggressive defensive style. It's not from a neutral perspective, that's fo sure.
when f1 is close its so good
Rule state if driver force off track receives 5s penalty and not mistaken Max did force Mick off track doesn't matter what it is what matter he did broke rule max get 5s penalty and lose position to Mick or 2 spots
Rules dont apply to Verstappen due to the spectacle
Can't get penalty if you are Crashtappen and FIABull driver.
This is exactly what I was thinking of watching the Austrian GP two days ago.
Mick better get that seat at Alpine hopefully
He already has one.
Where?@@georgthesecond
@@bigboypalao he drives for Alpine in WEC, doesn't he?
Why? He got his chance and unfortunatelly he wasn't performing very well. Yes, he had a few good races but it just wasn't enough to earn his place. He was outperformed by Magnussen significantly, and Magnussen is currently outperformed by Hulk. There are other drivers, who deserve their chance.
@@Synur97 very simple minded man. he outperformes him, so he's clearly better. oh now the other guy outperformes him, that means he's at least twice as good as the first guy... Mick was driving very well, he just had a couple of accidents (nothing compared to other drivers that were on the grid longer like Sergeant or Mazipin) but Micks accidents were very expensive, Monaco for example. And with the budget cap in place and a small team like Haas struggling with the cap as it is, they needed a driver who crashes less. so driving wise Mick def deserves a decent second chance in F1. the fact that he is a f2 Champion and drives really good for Alpine in the WEC proves he is a good driver
and he gave him the riccardo special on the exit of that turn 😭 ruthless
the "riccardo special" love that!!!! Hahahahaha
Not a Verstappen fan, but I don't see anything wrong here.
Thank you, i was worried i'd be the only one :)
in the first clip he forced mick of the track, second he closed the door when significantly alongside
pause the video at 0:59, mick is alongside and deserves space for the next corner and instead is ran off the road
@@Rydabomb Mick was never ahead...
If you don’t know the rules for overtaking in F1, then yes I can imagine you don’t see how this breaks those rules.
Let’s also not forget this was Max with a broken floor. Mick just seems happy to be there ☺️
Illegal defense you mean
mick was a better driver than people think he deserves another opportunity
Mick has so much potential :(
Nope
That why he got beaten by old Magnussen
Especially in crashing
in his surname? YES
@@5950zielhe won f3 and f2 Championship ?💀
I think we would all like to see Micky in a F1 seat but the Alpine venture seems very fun.
Ah yes, 1 close defense under braking which ended in 2 punctures from Max after Norris divebombed and pushed him off several times and EVERYONE in F1 starts slandering him again.
It‘s way too funny how people keep bashing on Max because he‘s just better than any other driver on the current grid and people just wait for that 1 moment where they have the chance to slander him.
What do you think of Max's numerous divebombs on Hamilton in 2021? Spain, Imola, Brazil, Saudi Arabia
You are just a verstappen fan with confirmation bias.
He is an amazing driver in so many ways, but his defensive skills really need to change. Moved under braking (illegal) 3 times against Norris, then didn't leave a cars width on the outside (illegal) then did a Rosberg and turned in way too late to the corner, forcing Norris off and breaking his front wing in the process. Then to top it all off, as Norris is coming back on the track Max threatens to push him onto the grass.
If you need reminding of this just watch Anthony Davidson's analysis at the skypad.
what on earth are you on about? what does norris have to do with this video?
@@Rydabomb it's a desperate attempt to defend his guy
Is this a re-upload?
Nothing wrong with this.
Funny how it's aggressive when it's Max but if it was Lewis it'd be "upto the limits but fair" or Alonso "Really intelligent defending"
According to who? Also, I don't think Lewis and Alonso has the same reputation as Max when it comes to aggressive defense.
Still hurt about the Austria result lad lol give it a rest
@@twosnakse your assumption is, as Yuki would say "retarded" i would rather have seen Lando win but the pair of them were just incompetent when they were battling.
Shame because they've been the standouts all season.
yeah its about clean defense and hard racing defense the so called aggressive is the defence that max did to lewis on brazil or max did to leclerc on las vegas when both of them are outside the road because of that defence
@@GurtMan100they have a reputation for it, just not as highly publicised as Max's due to the collective biases that people typically hold online over the issue
I'm not even saying this to spite, because it's a sentiment shared by all the commentators as well. Just saying it how it is
norris should take notes
I remember this race. IIRC Max had some minor floor damage that caused a major loss in performance. It was so weird because the car didn't look damaged from any close up view, yet it was an absolute slug. And this was during the first years of the new ground effect regs where RB in the lead was pulling 20 second gaps from 2nd place.
He had floor damage from debris and a puncture if I'm not mistaken
Makes sense though, RB's floor was superb and giving them insane performance. When that floor gets damaged a big portion of the RB downforce goes with it.
I think he didn't had damage but there was debris stuck in his floor
Micks HAAS was sooo much faster than the stricken RB of Max in this race.
Still better than hulk in IMO
With yesterday's incident everything is simple. Max overestimated Norris's skill. Max always leaves room for passing and obviously he will do this in such a way as not to allow you to easily overtake him. If Norris thought that he could overtake him like some Leclerc, then no. Well, Lando was even more disappointed. He had the fastest car at the end but all he came up with was dive bombs. It feels like it would be better if Max didn’t dodge them then they would make Norris guilty
What do you mean "like some Leclerc", Leclerc was able to overtake Max 3 times in Austria
@@AgainstWokeness thats what hes saying. he meant that norris thought he could overtake max like leclerc did back in 22
@@anirudh4633 Oh my bad I didn't understand it
@@AgainstWokeness I'm not saying that Leclerc is a bad pilot. I'm talking about defense.
Yep. Even with technical racecraft infringements, most drivers side by side are able to get out in one piece. Even through most battles between Max and Lewis in 2021, they were able to get through ok - only times they didnt were when both were brain dead (Jeddah) or one if them overtly made a move that wasnt gonna have a hope of being clean (Imola, Silverstone)
Norris, although he didnt do anything wrong technically, did actually have time to react and go on the curbs to avoid collision. Strictly speaking, was he obliged to? No. But would it have been smart and relatively painless for him to have? Absolutely.
For what it's worth, Max was done turning left by the time Norris' front wing reached the rear of Max's car, and only when they were fully alongside did contact occur.
Most other instances, most drivers could have reacted to such a squeeze. Max has had to do it before, and Max has forced other drivers to do it before
Lando lacked self preservation, which many may think is a sign of how ruthless he is able to be in racecraft but he didnt calculate it right and he paid the worse price for it
The main thing here is that Max doesn’t care nearly as much as Mick. He gets a few meaningless points, while Nick gets a chance to score the best position of his f1 career at a point where it is in jeopardy.
Max can be obnoxiously aggressive and present Mick with the choice of risking to crash and lose everything or stay behind.
Max is a horribly aggressive driver. If you are in a position where you can’t call his bluff and risk crashing both cars by standing your ground, you are screwed.
“And Mick Schumacher is into the barriers, which brings out the red flag…”
2021~22 nostalgia
He lost his seat to himself. How many times he destroyed his car, aways crashing. If he had been more constant, If he hadn't crashed so much, maybe he'd still be in F1 today.
But this chase was indeed awesome, he totally deserved the P. Max went dirty a couple of times there.
Another fantastic video, could you please make one "Verstappen-Norris Austria 2024 vs Hamilton-Vettel 2018"? So that we can see how much space in comparison Norris had at his left before that contact with Max
Also Max & Carlos 2023
It's not just about space. It's about moving late and/or under braking
Bad decision to replace Mick with Nico. Mick deserved to keep the seat!
Max drives like its an F1 open lobby. How irritating
now post baku 2017 again with the rules written on the screen and the statements from horner and the team blaming the innocent party.
Its called 'defending'. Nothing 'aggressive' about it. LH (and his fanboyz) might disagree 😉
its called aggressive before 2021 but u forgot smth.. the rule that have made for max to stop doing this on 2022 people call it “verstappen rule” want some fact check i can send u link
He says with the most Dutch username ever
@@tedfromyt6523 its called 'defending'. Quite simple. The 'aggressive' part is added for clicks.
@@Strard Your point being?
since when did forcing drivers off the track become "defending"
Verstappen would have gotten taken out by me in the last turn for sure.
Repost?
Kinda? He does this for every f1 weekend.
I always find it funny when drivers kick up dirt or debris for the driver behind.
Mick was too gentle
I wouldn’t say that was aggressive but clean racing from both drivers
Its not an "agressive defence". It is stupidity and dad's connections in fia
The better wheel-to-wheel Silverstone battle was Verstappen Vs Leclerc 2017.
Silverstone sprint and Sunday main race should be mega with different weather conditions on Saturday sprint and Sunday race.
That was in 2019 not 2017
I don't get it, people think competitive drivers are docile puppies? Look at Juam Pablo Montoya when the cameraman hit his head, a completely excusable situation. They are like Fighter jet Aces, they aren't there to make friends, they are there to "kill" (win).
Tbf that's because jpm is just a violent person. We saw that in his nascar years too
If you notice Lando's driving but especially Max's seems to be conditioned, unconsciously, by what you would expect other cars to do in a videogame/ simulator (on AI type behavior).
In other words, the other car WILL give way.
Both Drivers are avid Sim racers.
I wish there would be a driver coming into Formula 1 who is driving so dirty, and recklessly against Verstappen as Max himself. That guy would need to have some insolent character too…
Time to find a wife- and fatherbeating psycho to make some babies!
this prooven ur video titled “back off or crash” if max met an aggressive driver more likely it will end up in a collision
Aggressive defense, aka crash into me or stay behind. 😂
Mick is no Montoya, that's certain.
Yep
At some point a driver like Kmag won’t concede and he will learn the hard way that this aggressiveness will only get him so far.
If I was in Mick's place I would have sent Verstappen flying with his car into the barriers.
Somebody has to let him know that if he defends like this he will not finish the race.
Race direction is so inconsistent with the penalties to Verstappen that it's becoming painful to watch.
In 2022 Fernando said to Hamilton "This guy knows how to race only if he starts first". I think Verstappen knows how to race only if he is clearly first with 10 seconds of margin.
Verstappen won that race from P14😆
@@liamcoleman6196 it was a comment about Verstappen behaviour in general.
How many times in the last years he had to come up from below 10th place? And how many of those times he had the clearly better car, so much better that drivers preferred to let him pass without fighting?
The point of my argument is clear as day: the year in which the car starts to be not as dominant as the previous season and he has to fight again against other drivers to be in front we start to see again how dirty he can be while defending. He is not even smart with it, because he completely shuts off his brain when somebody starts to poke him.
He moves under braking, he squeezes people of the track. Nobody can deny this. There is an entire history of crashes that he caused simply because he refuses to be a fair driver.
I want to see car race fairly side by side and doing a corner together and the driver who's better wins, if I wanted to see monster trucks I wouldn't follow F1.
This is what Lando did in the previous race 😂
race director is actually very consistent with max penalties. Gave him a 5 sec penalty in Vegas for forcing Leclerc out and a 10seconds this time for moving under breaking. The penalty is decided based on how the collision occur, not the outcome of the collision. If it was based on the outcome hamilton should have been black flagged in Silverstone 2021. Also Verstappen won the sprint race in Austria this week, won the grand prix in Imola, Canada and Spain, all with Norris finishing in P2 within 10sec margin. So watch more races before you comment, Mr idiot.
@@antoniosorrentino1737 Champions don’t become champions unfortunately without crossing lines at some stage . Schumacher and Senna were the exact same, but are now seen as legends of the sport . I understand your point but unfortunately to be the best of the best you have to push the limit.
I’m of the view that max is too aggressive and is borderline dirty as a driver in combat BUT… I have to say, I don’t see anything wrong here at all. Solid defence, he was ahead at all times, Mick was never sufficiently alongside or ahead at any apex. Max running him out wide is okay because he had the corner, he was entitled to take his racing line. Honestly just good defensive driving.
The FIA has nothing to do with this man. I understand that he is a good driver, he breaks records, but let's apply the rules for everyone and stop being blind
He didn't break any rules there
But they did penalize him? Hamilton almost killed Max in Silverstone and got 10 seconds. Both penalties were right as in both cases the fault is not intentional (nor that we can prove it).
@@ritabuba4831yep. Squeezing on corner exit and even forcing off track is perfectly allowed and pretty much everyone gets away with it if they're the car in front
@@ritabuba4831there's literally a rule that FIA introduced just because Max was running drivers off track after 2021. It's even known as the Max Verstappen rule. Are you following F1 or just watching Max Verstappen highlights on youtube?
@@fullsendsimracing Rules do not act retroactively
So we had Schumacher against Verstappen all over again
Max pushed him out. Max is very dirty and he should get more penalties.
Tell me at least one champion who didn't drive dirty
Oh look another woke fan against hard racing 😢
@@Hleb030 that isn't how it works.
@@Hleb030 Alonso, Roseberg, Raikonnen, Vettel...
Since Schumacher we hadn't see anything like this
Everything I don't like = woke 😂@@FCPortoAutomobilismo