The Full Story of Gunner's Plaza - Plus, Captain Wes' Secret - Fallout 4 Lore
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oh god... I took Cait there. The guy with the Fatman may have fallen of the roof after getting shot. because after the firefight, I turn around and was horrified to see Cait running towards me armed with the Fatman... I panicked and ran away, forgetting that she'd follow me...
Trustworthy McLegitimate I'm fucking dead 😂😂😂😂😂
Rest in piece Annika aka anse001 they died without anyone loving them
Jesus your lucky to be alive....that's how deacon "accidentally" killed me...
Somehow in my game Preston got his hands on a missile launcher and a bunch of missiles.. ya you know the rest
Trustworthy McLegitimate the fact she had one was still dangerous, she’d use it in doors.
Trust me I’ve had experiences like this before
"He's going to make sure Cruz is safe" Well, the Sole Survivor put an abrupt end to that huh?
all the times I've looted that place, and I never even realized that there was a basement.
When he went into the basement, I thought"Dammit now I have to go back to that area" lol
Same
Loud Cheetah Typical, another missed opportunity by BGS to add more lore into the franchise. I would have liked to see/hear/read about what went on there, perhaps find out more about the gunners and how they came about, since they're obviously more than just raiders. I do love Oxhorns speculation about what happened though.
Loud Cheetah it was cut from the final game but i guess there was some sort of story for the gunner faction in the beta, became too much for the game to handle i think
it it was in the game since day one
What kind of monster consistently leaves stimpacks and wonderglue behind??
all that adhesive gone to waste... I want all that glue
You know who? A synth!
aebbelwoy Nice one.
He forgot to help the settlements, so I "forgot" to let him pick up all the stimpacks and wonderglue.
The Ruler of the Vegetable Starch Empire.
I admit, I was also confused about the story, but I came to a different conclusion. I thought that maybe captain Wes had PTSD or pehaps had lost one too many patrols to the wasteland, and so that's why he was being so cautious. Plan a tactical raid on supermutants is okay, but an ambush? Pull out. Raiders in the neighboring town? Infiltrate, observe, disrupt, instead of attack. Wes didn't want to loose any more men. But, like you said, he couldn't afford to look weak.
"Chewed out" and "reaming me out" are pretty standard military jargon for yelled at or reprimanded, so I don't see that as evidence of a Romance.
Jeff Carver chew me out daddy, there, now can you? Jk I don't Really see either.
I think that was a joke
It's a joke
That's pretty much the only way military commanders communicate with their subordinates
He did it so he wouldn't be seen as weak and get knocked from his rank
Fair enough theory. From the perspective of a soldier I have another one...or three. Command isn't easy, the gunners are the closest to an actual military structure of any other faction... If they put their effort behind an actual cause it would be scary. Imagine for a moment that they had joined the minutemen at Quincy instead of killing them. the Minutemen would be a force to be reckoned with.
Wes had certain expectations placed upon him as leader of the gunners. but at the same time when caught in the moment that might have just been a simple decision of making a responsible command Decision. a good Commander never throws away confidence soldiers without a good reason. that being said, if you were in the US military he probably would be commended for his action. but because the Gunners have a bit skewed ideas of what they have adapted from the US Military he realized he had to CYA (cover your a$$) fast. This is probably why He then publicly reprimanded his soldiers, and then gave them a relatively cheap punishment. He had to do something to protect his command, but he really didn't want to bring the hammer down on soldiers for following orders. "Reaming" is a common term for being yelled at by a superior, it may have other connotations, but I would not read too much into that.
Last thing I am going to say on the subject is, don't underestimate the punishment. Though it is not a bad place to be, no good soldier likes being pulled from an assignment to be reassigned. It is that much worse when we are getting blamed for our superior's actions. A soldier, no matter how loyal, hates falling on the sword for someone else... even though they will do it if necessary. Wes would have probably made the guard duty temporary, and then put the gunners back in the field after the fuss died down.
It also depends on who was attacking... If it were the raiders, he may not have wanted to have a confrontation with the undercover gunners... But the soldiers made no mention of who they were gonna attack, or who was ambushing them
Chris Rushing This is more similar to my initial theory, he was simply looking out for his men as any commander would (or...should)
Chris Rushing thanks for your service my man
Eh.. I like the romance more
Tale as old as time, incompetent command structure, big egos, and having to constantly scramble to not look weak. I don't see any difference between the Gunners and the men I served under in the USAF. Maybe a little less irradiated irl, but you'd be surprised.
That database network terminal you found is part of a BOS radiant quest where you have to escort a squire to hack into the terminal for pre-war research
I checked to make sure someone else said this before me because its true. Even I spent a little time myself looking for similar info till I realized the BoS Radiant Research Patrol Quests all have that Database Que for any and all locations that you have to secure data or just take a Research patrol for.
Kryle when i did those radiant quests i always wondered what had been on the terminals before the bos cleared them. Kinda disappointing to know that there isn't anything on them or that you at least can't look at what's on them
Glad you mentioned it
the reason for ordering the retreat was more likely a tactical one (as that's the logical thing to do when faced with an ambush).
4 years without a reply? Damn.
@@moo_shrooms3143 sometimes there ain't much to say
Oxhorn explained that its part of the gunners society that they never retreat, outside of tactical in a captain wes's benefit but I think we agree that the love story part is a mega stretch tho
Actually i got the exact same idea. I first thought maybe he was family. But Wes never said anything, and i think Ryder would have said something about nepotism. No, an odd order to retreat, then blaming said person, then promoting him to be near him at all times in a comfy spot? Thats a crush right there.
@@wesleysmith5275 not gonna lie Oxy sounded really creepy when he said that the two were in romance, given his stance on homosexuality.
Captain Wes was probably playing Cruz vs Ryder to keep his underlings from eyeing his job. Cruz would have to spend more time keeping Ryder from stealing his job and Ryder would be spending his time going after Cruz instead of getting ideas about Captain Wes.
3:45 X-6: "You're already dead"
*NANI* ?!
*Ear-rape screeching noise*
Francis Hébert exactly that i was thinking
My favorite thing about Oxhorn's videos is they never leave me feeling like something was left out. Every time I feel like I have something to add, even as small as pointing out a humorous, possibly out of character hint like "reaming me out", and by the end of it... he's included it to. Keep up the good work, Ox!
I always wondered why the Gunners are hostile towards the player. Aside from a few random encounters, they will always attack you on sight. Which does not make much sense, the Gunners are not a Raider gang, they are mercenarys for hire first and foremost. They have some agenda of their own, but mostly, they are fullfilling contracts (for example, trying to get the Gas from HalluciGen, delivering the Deathclaw egg to Wellington and so on). So they should not really have a reason to attack the protagonist on sight if he/she does not provoke them.
Of course you could say, maybe someone paid them to do so. The problem with this is that there is no ingame evidence (like the Talon Mercenaries who carried a killing contract in F3, they hunted you because someone set a bounty on your head after you either disarmed the bomb in Megaton or your karma level got too high) so aside from being convenient, this explanation is not really valid.
So I guess Bethesda made them a hostile faction for gameplay reasons and for the sake of enemy variety, but it does not make sense lorewise nor is it logical. I would have loved to see Bethesda implementing the Gunners as a joinable minor faction, even if it simply meant that more radiant quests would flood your Pipboy...
Well, at least they know how to use their laser rifles and do not combine them with an antique, outdated and ineffcient firing system in form of a musket like some certain faction does...
Vahlen they are hired to guard places. You are trespassing so they attack. You are invading their HQ so they protect themselves. They are hired to raid a settlement which you are guarding.
Aaron Smith what if someone wanted to go to a gunner base to become one
Da Man they are like Augusta Golf Club. You don't ask to join, they ask you to join based on reputation
We should have been able to contract them for jobs. Instead they're like another raider faction which makes little sense even in terms of gameplay.
Vahlen it would have been cool if you could join the Gunners as an alternative to the minutemen or either hire them to escort you or protect your settlements or do jobs for them. maybe even make them a expandable faction like the minutemen except you take military installations for them to make bases instead of settlements.
As soon as you stated the theory about Wes being in love with Cruz and "reaming him out for a few minutes" I was starting to giggle...full on laughter seconds later when you started to show the definitions. Another excellent video Oxhorn, pretty sure I'm on like hour 7 of watching these at this point. I do hope you continue these when the next FO drops.
“The Raiders are crazy.”
Gunners: Hold our plaza.
HE LEFT A STIMPACK IN THAT MASTER LOCKED SAFE, I'M TRIGGEREDDDDDDD
He's definitely testing our patience.
"Why else would there be a man in military fatigues in here?" Not to discredit that galaxy news was in the pocket of the government, but you wouldn't need a military personnel to dictate propaganda. In fact that would be a rather bad idea. More appropriately the military fatigued man in the bathroom was probably a military journalist.
Also, Wez fucking Cruz is a bit of a stretch and when a soldier uses the word "reaming" they do not mean the secondary part of that dictionary, they used the First definition.
I don't, man, maybe it's a possibility. But hey, it's just a theory, A Game Theory!
Since 'ream (me) out' is common slang for getting a reprimand, I think your gay theory is a bit of a stretch; but it's still way better than no explanation at all. lol
Based on my experience in the military, some commanders fear their subordinates will overtake them at some point in their career and they try to sabotage their rivals in some way. in this case, Cruz may have been an extremely competent leader that was becoming popular with the rank and file. Commanders in mercenary and pirate outfits throughout history were replaced by former subordinates that could actually deliver. There is a good chance that a rivalry was brewing and Wes took action to take Cruz down a few notches. Guard duty sounds cushy, but in an outfit that thrives on elan, it would be a nail in his careers coffin. Everyone hailed the pilots heroism after the battle of Midway, but you didn't hear a lot about the maintenence crews, ordnance teams, and deck officers of the task force that enabled the pilots success. The guy watching over the base will never haul in loot or win a great battle.
I came to the same conclusion. Nothing else makes sense. The fact that Cruz has no idea what's going on makes them being related highly unlikely. He's as confused as anyone else about why he's being blamed and why he's being "punished" with a less dangerous task. Clearly Wes is protecting him for some reason. Who knows, maybe Cruz just reminds Wes of a brother who died growing up in the Commonwealth...but that seems a bit of a stretch.
If Wes was a LOT older than Cruz, he may have been his father, the mother may have been another 'young cadet' with him that he was in love with, who got killed in action soon after giving birth. the kid gets raised by the Gunners, but he has no idea who his father is. Not saying that's the truth, just saying its possible. Now why keep that secret? Well now... what if Wes was a lot older than the girl - like she was only 15 at the time, and also happened to be his CO's daughter? There's some great ways to flesh this out without going down the 'dark' path. LOL
I think the real mystery is... WHY DONT YOU EVER PICK UP THE ADHESIVE SCRAP!!!???
Because that low key gay you wanna pick up all the sticky white stuff.
Preston Garvey lol, thats one explanation
@@bluesoldier1141 wtf even is your name
I don't know if it's a glitch or what but every subsequent time I've gone back to Gunner Plaza, the generator is online but there's no Fusion Core in it.
It's like it's powered by the souls of all the Gunners I keep slaying there.
...or maybe by the ghost of Wes' passion for Cruz.
The "reaming me out" at the end killed me. Thank you SO much for the comedic moments, Oxhorn! You brighten my day on even the cloudiest of hours!
Any one else feel like the gunners are really bland as a faction? I kinda thought that they would be more fleshed out as a faction, possibly even join-able. I thought they would work well as an alternate to the minutemen, especially with the business in Quincy. I would have thought there would be a greater focus on minutemen vs gunners in the story, but I guess raider in green also works.
it would have been cool to have them as a "evil minutemen" kind of thing, a force to directly oppose the minutemen. But oh well, this is only one of the many, many missed opportunities this game has.
Similar to the idea Oxhorn mentioned, Captain Wes is actually the older brother of Cruz & Cruz knows nothing of it.
X6: i thought i saw something move
Oxhorn: **continuous firing**
X6: were not alone
Oxhorn: **continues firing at enemies**
Thanks for the great videos as always Oxhorn. The "database offline" terminal entry changes to a different (annoying) message once you finish BOS radiant quest "Learning curve" that targets GNN. The entry is merely there to indicate the terminal contains valuable information BOS wants and hasn't been looted yet.
love that ur first instinct is that the cap loves cruz. makes the story that much more compelling
all that Wonderglue left behind, ugh
genstallonee There is a mod that puts wonderglue in aid.
I really enjoy your videos, and it's pretty impressive how you can create long, high quality videos every single day. It's both inspiring and amazing. I haven't been subscribed for long, but I already love this channel, and I can't wait to see what you have planned for the future. Thanks for the content!
I love the 3 minute talk about Jim, Jared and Boris. It was kind of a fun break from gunner lore to office space-esque comedy. But I do not read many of the terminals so I hate to say that not only do I miss a lot of the lore of the game, I miss a lot of the silly jokes, references, and randomness Bethesda provided. I need to take time to read terminals on my next build.
Hey Ox, I've noticed you often miss interesting conversation between enemy npc's because you wear power armour and aren't sneaking. You might prefer a sneaky character for capturing footage
GuardianM25 I feel like the power armor in this case was because of how difficult the location is to clear
Believe me, sneaky character in there is dead meat on a dull stick. Its very difficult with the close quarters large mobs inside. Even full stealth gear, stealth boy and chemmed up to the eyeballs its one of the hardest areas, Quincy being the most challenging. Not saying its not doable but would likely make the vid about 2 hours long lol
I have used stealth in gunners plaza though it takes you way longer to complete I used a silenced 308 combat which does a fair amount of damage and isnt overly noisy plus some shadow armour and sometimes stealth boys depending on how many i have its doable though sometimes you do get into a couple of intense firefights...lol
First play through was a stealth/sniper character. Taking on the Gunners Plaza was a nightmare. Frantically hiding and looking for cover. Used more stimpaks than I can remember. No chems because that character didn't use them. But I cleared it.
I routinely clear it as a sneaky sniper. My guns aren't as good as his and I don't wear Power Armor to do it. I think Ox is good enough to do it my way if he wanted to. But he will have to stop charging in with all gun blazing if he goes without that PA. @@XxCorvette1xX
In my current play through, I have a mod that allows me to throw spawn grenades, so I carry spawn grenades that allow me to spawn minutemen to aid me in battle. I also have a mod that gives every NPC labeled as a minuteman a set of "Minuteman Dog Tags." With that in mind, I have been waging a war against the Gunners in multiple areas. When time finally came, I assaulted Gunner Plaza. Myself and Preston Garvey set out in a vertibird that the minutemen salvaged after the war with the brotherhood. Preston and I flew over the plaza raining minigun fire on the gunners below, taking fire all the while, we landed about 100 meters from the building and our pilot high tailed it back to friendly lines. I immediately launched a flare to signal our attack and called any nearby minutemen. With the call sent out, I run up to the hedgerows across the street from the plaza and toss an artillery smoke grenade. Shells from Egret Tours Marina and Summerset place and Murkwater Construction all start raining in. One after another. Just as the last shell hits, a squad of militia arrive, responding to the flare. Now I brought 150 minutemen with me, now we have another 4 on the assault. The gunners outside took a hell of beating thus far, but theres still about half a dozen scattered on the building. The responding minutemen hold the front while preston and I clear the roof top. At this point we managed to secure a powerful Guass rifle prototype that will prove useful, Shaw will flip when she gets a hold of it. After securing the outside move into the main lobby. Myself, Preston, and about 15 minutemen make the first volley, both machinegun turrets are knocked out, but the gunners are well armed, we start taking heavy fire so I pull my people back and toss some grenades. After I take out a few with grenades and sniper fire, another wave plus the remainder of the first charge in and start making a foothold in the writer rotunda. It isnt long before theres a full platoons worth of minutemen pushing through. We are making progress, but theres no direct route to the second floor. So 20 minutemen stay on the bottom floor of the rotunda to keep the gunners occupied while I lead the rest of my forces through the building. Immediately after the rotunda, we come to a choke point. They were ready for an assault, we took cover and advanced slowly, but the fire was intense. A minuteman with an assault rifle he'd picked up from a gunner began to open fire and keep cover fire while we advanced, quickly the left and then the right turrets exploded. Green plasma from the gunner officers still spilled it's way towards us, we pushed until we had broken through. We now had the central office surrounded, we knew Captain Wes was inside and well defended. We kicked the door in with the solid thump, two more turrets opened up on us, we were taking casualties, so collectively we all started throwing molotovs. One after another, and finally the turrets seized and the gunners weren't firing. Wes sat wounded in the corner, we had hoped to take him alive and put him on trial for his crimes against the people of the commonwealth, but it was too late. He wouldn't survive his injuries, so I granted him a mercy he would never have extended to one of ours, and I put my rifle to his head and ended his suffering. For a moment, it was somber, but then a shout and blast of bullets brought me back to my senses, the second floor still had gunners on it. I rallied my forces and pushed through to the stairs. Two more gunners held the stairs from us, we took cover when a Sergeant yelled that we were losing men in the rotunda, I sent 15 back to reinforce them, but that hurt my advance, we had to move while we had momentum. Preston laid down fire from his laser musket while I charged forward to the stairs. Flanked by 3 minutemen, I lead the assault and the stairs were ours, I popped off the last turret down the hall before we came into range, we've lost enough men to their turrets. We started to move but then a lone gunner with a plasma rifle holds his position and fires at us. One by one we took casualties. Finally preston managed to make the kill shot. We ran for the rotunda and found the last squad of gunners frantically firing at our men below. They were so focused that they didnt even notice us, I gave the word to fire and they all dropped in an instance, all of them had already been injured by our men below. With that, the battlefield fell silent. The troops patrolled the plaza while preston and I search for our casualties. I collected their tags for safe keeping at the Castle. When all was said and done. Of the 150 minutemen and 4 responding militia who arrived at gunners plaza under my command, 31 were confirmed dead and 17 were never found. It was a costly battle for such a small force of enemies. They were entrenched and used every advantage they had. With the plaza down, on Quincy and a few locations in Downtown remain in gunner control. Soon that will be rectified as well. But not today. Today is a sobering day for the minutemen. A ceremony is going to be held at the castle to honor the 48 minutemen killed or missing with their names spread to Diamond City, Bunker Hill, and Goodneighbor so that the news will spread of their sacrifice. The gunners have lost valuable leadership and countless resources. The gunner weapons and armor will be distributed amongst diamond city security and the Neighborhood watch as compensation for assistance in training our people. Whatever remains will be put in the armory for issuing to the troops. The clothing, food, and other valuables will be sold on the open market, whatever doesn't sell will either be given to whoever wants it or scrapped for building materials. I've ordered the place to be booby trapped with mines and trip wires to prevent the gunners from moving back in. I've even had 3 turrets rebuilt from the fight and reprogrammed to fire at gunners instead of us. I dont want to keep any troops here, we need everyone we can gene hopefully this will end soon. The first meeting of the CPG is next month, and we need to make sure the commonwealth is secure before then. I've had sentry bots and protections establishing safe routes between the major settlements for months now. It's been a bloody and difficult time. The commonwealth might finally have peace again after such a long time.
-Nate, General of the minutemen, just after the gunner wars and just prior to the founding of the CPG in 2296.
The Duke that was Awsome!
Nice
LOL I LOVED it!!!
Very good story, sir! You are a great writer!
Oxhorn has to be my favorite TH-camr, I am a fallout nerd. But he missed a stimpack, and this bothers me lol
willy brown lol i noticed that too im still triggered
Maybe the gunners founders our remains US army after the war, Because theg are very military based with US ranks like coropral and private. And have many military grade weapons
Overall_Cancer Technically, they would be the remains of the Enclave then.
Weird Walrus remember, not all of the US military got entrance to be a part of the enclave. So the gunners could be the other part.
This Also proves that Gunners are mostly found in Military or Hospitals so they would have know about the equipment there is they had remains of the U.s Army
Weird Walrus the Enclave are the U.S Government not the military
I was under the impression that the Brotherhood was the remnants of the US military.
I think homosexual feelings are a tremendous reach lol. The evidence is right in front of you on the previous terminal you read as well as in previous videos you made. Wes isn't running his operation like a Gunner because he's using espionage and subterfuge to win battles because fighting and working smart will always be better than fighting and working hard. He had his men infiltrate the Raiders in Hyde Park because a full frontal assault would be costly in terms of manpower and resources because in Fallout 4 Raiders can be as well armed as they are depending on the gang. He had Clint turn against the Minutemen to save the costs in lives and resources a full frontal assault would cost to sack the town the old fashion way. He kidnapped a Synth because he wanted to draw the Courser into a trap aka fighting the enemy on the ground of your choice because that lets you dictate the rhythm of the fight. And he had Cruz retreat because if he and his men get wiped out that means he lost men for little gain. And in the Wastleland boots are far harder to come by than bullets. Especially well trained boots. The cost of recruiting and training new men to replace the men he lost wasn't worth the effort so he had them retreat in secret. This hints that Wes is, well was, likely planning to change the tactics of the Gunners to increase their power base and make them a more effective fighting force because Death or Glory behavior is not something that can be maintained in the long run.
Oxhorn is gay. There are so many indications of this its not funny. He sees gay in a tree stump. Your kitchen broom is gay according to Oxhorn. Simple as that. There is no indication that The captain was gay. Just zero. This is all comming from Oxhorns fantasies.
Yup thats what I though. I rofl'd so hard when he said "because he is in love with cruz". I just dont see eye to eye with the formal gunners strategy you laid. Gunners to me were never "Death or Glory" types, they were basically smarter Raiders. When you arrive at the gnrs plaza with nick valentine, he says " Gunners are too smart for their own good".
lolz, ox is straight. But I'm not, and I see gae in everything, too. Even if its just head-canon, gay gay gay.
I hope that theory he had is wrong
Or, perhaps, it could be both. both a tactical thing and a love thing. Honestly i was kinda surprised with Ox went with the love option because i'll be real? As a gay guy myself that's where my mind went too and while i agree that the more REALISTIC solution is that this leader is more strategic, i don't think Ox's headcanon is without merit.
Sole Survivor:”Hey Wes are you gay?”
Wes:”no”
Sole Survivor”does Cruz know your gay?”
Wes:”no”
Sole Survivor:”AHAHAHAHA”
the argument between Cruz and rider is almost like the sandwich in the desk prank/argument between boris and Jim
Always great to see a new upload, really enjoy these lore videos, really shows the detail in Fallout 4
The definition of "ream something out" was a nice touch 😂
"Reaming me out for several minutes"
Would have been cool to reactivate the station, then functional tv's would then start having broadcasts ranging from news that changes according to the actions of the character, calls for Minutemen help and so on.
The love angle, while possible it isn't supported by anything other than speculation. Though, no other explanation is given as to the Captains decisions.
That "Reaming me out for several minutes" ending though LMFAO XD
That's crazy. I was just playing this morning, clearing out the Plaza, when I thought I should ask you about making a video on it.
Reamed out is a commonly used term in the military for a really bad ass chewing. I'm former Army and it is a pretty common term. It is not to be taken literally.
I have a decidedly different theory. Despite being a mercenary group, a lot of the time in game they're depicted as being no better than raiders. I believe Wes may have feared Cruz as a potential competitor for command, ordering him to do something that would disgrace him, and then subsequently punishing him with a safe posting where Cruz would be unlikely to earn any accolades.
I think the reason for the US army presence in the Plaza isn't just because they were using it as a means to spread propaganda, but after the bombs dropped they used it as a meeting spot. In those cubicles when you frost entered there's a large amount of medical supplies and gurneys. My theory is when the bombs dropped and chaos ensued, the US army met up at the plaza and used it as a form of base so thy could figure out what to do. And while they were there they set up a hospital for any injured soldiers either from radiation poisoning or injuries received from raiders.
It is way easier to get into the building via the roof. You can climb up on some unguarded stairs on the right side and then sneakily take out the few gunners on the roof, even the one with the fatman. After taking the elevator down you can clear out the basement and get into the first floor of the main hall to take out Cruz and wes while covered from the turrets and gunners below
I kinda wish you had the option to join the gunners. I usually play morally gray characters that I think would fit in well :p
When you showed what reaming meant, I nearly died laughing at the awkward cough you gave. 😂 great videos as always!
The database netwrok offline is I think for the BoS riadiant quests where you defend a scribe while he is hacking the terminal.
"Reaming me out for several minutes" Bahahaha. Good one, Oxhorn XD
The last mission for the minutemen should have had you (with other minutemen) attack gunners plaza and quincy to get revenge for the minutemen who died at quincy. That would have shed a bit of light on the gunners.
All computers with the [Database Network: OFFLINE] option are potential locations for the Learning Curve radiant quests for the Brotherhood of Steel.
Awesome, I've been wanting more people to look into the gunners for forever. I think it would be really cool if the Gunners' origins come from the Vault that engineered children to be super human. I think it makes alot of sense with how much tactical old world military knowledge that they have. As well as knowing what blood types are, and having everyone important with a tattoo of their blood type. It would make a lot of sense with the children's upbringing as well, along the lines of the children originally wanting to help people, but after seeing what reality is like they turned to mercenary work.
The blood type tattoo thing is an allusion to the Nazi SS. It isn't a compliment.
Just watched this after doing this quest. Now I have to go back and explore the basement. That CEO office terminal and what you couldn’t find is for a random brotherhood scribe in the learning curve radiant quest. After the scribed used it that option of the server wasn’t there instead it said for your protection this is locked property of brotherhood of steel.
By the way Ox, Awesome video
Okay, your speculation is a tad off the rails. Obviously, it is speculation, but there's no reason to believe Wes was in love with Cruz. This is what I think:
Wes realizes Cruz and his squad are in danger. Wes, and the Gunners as a whole are relatively smart- "Never retreat" is a rule meant to encourage blind loyalty from his underlings, not to restrict his own tactical decisions. He decides, from that radio broadcast, that the best thing to do is to get Cruz out of there before he and his squad are wiped out. He makes a tactical, calculated decision. He blames Wes for the reasons you mentioned, he can't have his rule broken, but his "punishment" is extremely lax and makes sure that Cruz doesn't feel betrayed by Wes and to keep Wes' secret under wraps (as doing something more extreme probably would've made Cruz tell everyone).
The story isn't a love story, it's illustrating the way the Gunners differ from your average Raider. Most other Raider factions would've died blindly or scattered in that battle, but Captain Wes is far more utilitarian than that. There's no rules or code in what he does (despite what the Gunners will tell the rookies when they join up), he just does what's the logical and tactical decision, and in this case it was retreat.
Wrong
We learn from a few terminals around Quincey that gunner leaders are often paranoid of there lutennets usurping them and you humiliation to prevent there men from rallying behind them
Instead of being romantically attracted, lets just say they're really good friends or something. A love relationship like this, even with Gunners or Raiders is unheard of.
When I first read about the Runners being a mercenary group, I was hoping to be able to hire them.
I dont even wanna know what they did while they were "reaming it out".
For several minutes to be exact.
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I think that Wes set up a pseudo-interrogation for Cruz, “reaming” him for information.
High Rollin' Armadillo Mostly yelling.
Takes heavy enemy fire. X86 "We've got hostiles". Me thinks "No shit. What was your first clue?"
Ryder, nigga. Only the selected few will know what I mean.
Adomas Petrikauskas I get you
this will be the only vid where you hear oxhorn say "Dank."
The Office (2005)
The "database network" terminals are all over the map and are used when you do brotherhood missions with scribes to gather teck, the scribes will use these terminal when brought to them.
I think!
ox what mode you do play on easy normal hard or survival?
Gunner's Plaza is so much fun to go through. You get a LOT of decent loot, plenty of scrap..... Great place to harvest.
I'd ship Oxhorn's theory on Captain Wes
I love your lore videos so much
Pro tip for anyone trying to do this and don't like stealth: use a super sledge (I have the legendary weapon Crippling Super Sledge) and pop a Yao Guai Roast. I one shot literally everyone, even the legendary gunners.
But isn't Quincy the gunners HQ?
RJAWolfe 07 Quincy is just a civilian settlement that asked for the minutemens' help. Minuteman HQ was the Castle.
It's a heavy Gunner base, much like Hub Auto Wreckers to the North.
Ohh okay and I know about the Quincy massacre...no need to remind me 😢
Quincy was a normal settlement that called for Minutemen aid when the Gunners attacked. When the Gunners came back and massacred the entire town, they made it a base.
I found you...
U can even make "700 rounds" sound like its the start of a horror mystery...Love your content dude!:)
Just a tip: I used the Spray n" Pray when I went in the plaza, so if you have that gun it's much easier because of the explosive bullets legendary effect. Just a small tip
I honestly think Wes just cared for those under his command, and if he could avoid needlessly slaughtering his men, he would do so.
But because of it being seen as "Weak" He had to shove the blame onto Cruz to keep his position secure while also keeping his men "Safe"
thanks for doing this, really helps, keep the good work.
this place is also an excellent source of Technical Documents if you're allied with the BoS.
Rimming me out for several minutes
Alternative hypothesis - the use of raider spies instead of direct conflict in conjunction with the immediate retreat order when facing the super mutant may reflect that Captain Wes was a secret coward seeking to avoid major conflict so close to the Captain's position. However, not to look fearful of conflict, he puts the blame on Cruz.
That's just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
There's no better way to emasculate a potential rival in such a militaristic society than to make him look like a dishonorable coward. That's my opinion of why he ordered the retreat and berated him for it.
I have to say I love your theory on this one, because it makes soooo much sense with the cannon provided it's a logical and makes for grate background music for going thru that place. Thank you.
Weirdest oxhorn theory ever
My theory is that Captain Wes was drunk when he made the order. We did see empty whiskey bottles under his desk. So either to keep his position or because he forgot he gave the order, he punishes Cruz. But realizing the strength of Cruz's team, gives him the job of protecting him.
What happend to the talon mercenaries in fallout 3
hawkeyeracer7 either wiped out by the Lone Wanderer or doing mercenary things in DC
hawkeyeracer7 there in Virginia...
Possibly wiped out by the Brotherhood before they left DC
thegamewarfareproject donkey if Lyons did it. Maxson wouldn't help the Wasteland like that
Aaron Smith he might have if they were posing a threat to the brotherhood. they are the only group I can think of that would be able to put up an organized fight against the BoS.
"Reeming" someone out is an expression used to describe getting yelled at. It was a fairly common expression when I was enlisted in the Air Force. And chewed out is something that even I say to describe getting scolded or yelled at. I doubt there was any butt stuff going on between Wes and Cruz lol.
Regardless of our differing opinions on the backstory here, it was an amazing video as always Oxhorn!
Every one who is here is a true fan
Loxley Valentine ?
Loxley Valentine
REALLY???
why...why, thank you so ver' ver' much. I really appreciate that you're such a fan of mine. thank you again!
I mean, i do try my best and put a LOT of hard work in but i like to think my comments add that certain j'un e c'est qua [i did GCSE French about 20 years ago, gimme a break!].
And you know what? I think one day, if you really try hard, you'll be as great as I.
I fank yew! I fank yew!
are u sure bout that? there are plenty of normies everywhere in the fallout community and the elder scrolls community who come here because they think they know shit
I have unlocked the True Fan perk. yes!
No I just wanna know hot to kill thatsupid fuck captain wes and I did
I like to believe Wes ordered the retreat, because he received word that Sole Survivor had just torn the Quincy regiment a new asshole and he feared Sole Survivor was now on his way to gunner's HQ.
DID ANYONE SEE THAT EASTER EGG TO THE ORIGINAL FALLOUT DESIGNERS (Interplay Entertainment) 0:25
There was one like that in a plaza in Fallout 3 too. Along with a couple other more subtle references to Interplay and Black Isle (the later the in Point Lookout DLC). Quite sweet in a way.
AWESOME!!!
Its amazing what you miss when you're being shot at LOL
I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but I have re-played that scene about 27-fucking-times and I don't see shit.
Dude the statue infront of the building!!!
+NuclearWarGames What about the statue?
Honestly, I thought you'd found something that I didn't, but you just kinda confirmed what I originally thought the secret was.
so LGBT is still exist in post apocalyptic world huh?
William C. Ekasaputra always have, always will
Magatsu Ooyodo Yeah. There is a gay couple in far harbor, and your Sole Survivor is technically bisexual, along with every other romancable character.
Omg... the grammar is killing me
Vault Boy 76 Same here. But I am at the age where I'm not 100% sure
*Violent head bashing reading through the comment and sub comments because of the grammar and probably being the only person who is not straight here*
There is another show that plays on the television, but you have to run to the tv right after you create your character. I just discovered that last week.
Start the shipping fanart and fanfics
That was a stretch. I personally think that they were either brothers or very good friends and were being protective.
I like your video but most likely that cruz and wes were brothers with wes been the older protective brother
That was my thought when I listened to all the tapes. Wes acted tough so the rest of the gunners didn't think his brother Cruz got special treatment.
I like your theory. i have a theory of my own - pertaining to the Gunners in a whole: they are generations of rogue National Guard soldiers who turned into a mercenary/ raider group after thr bombs fell - when they lost control over the civilian population.
whats everyones fav play style. i cant stick to one character and need inspiration?>
a stealth blade and silenced 45 colt assassin build got mods that make enemies almost 1 shot you and added bosses of commonwealth
only allow yourself 50 perkpoints as well
seanie russell melee tank combined with sniper
Bruce jenners cat isn't it super easy?
seanie russell everything that i can find
Oxhorn,
You failed to mention that the building has plenty of frag mines in it. That bit of info is helpful for players who don't have the light step perk. That way they can be prepared for them.
Jennifer Montgomery there is plenty of video of Oxhorn disarming or setting them off. The video itself is the warning
"He's gay, but that's just a theory, a GAY theory" -Oxhorn
It would make perfect sense if we found a synth component on Captain Wes. Considering how often the Gunners are found doing work for the Institute.
So Wes is gay?
I remember watching a video from another channel about a vault in the game. ( I don't remember the number) the one with genetically modified kids. but he said something interesting, theorizing that the kids were the gunners. Because while in the vault the kids wish to be these "Up top land heros", so when they finally rebelled, they did just that. Though as time changed, the descendants have lost the original vision. What supports this somewhat is that the kids were genetically smarter, stronger and faster. And in the Saugus Iron works, there's s terminal from the boss there, describing some of the gunners that did his tests.