The Full Story of Conrad Kellogg: One Man Against the World - Fallout 4 Lore
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I wish there were more moments from Kellog haunting Nicks mind.
I was scared I would have to kill Nick because he became more a d more Kellog
I was terrified when he talked to me in Kellog’s voice
Yeah. That little plot point didn't seem to go anywhere
I was pretty sure Kelogg would take over Nick's body but nothing happened :(
I feel like that was apart of some cut content. Like there was gonna be some kind of quest where Kellogg takes control of Nick and you have to either save nick or put him down, y’know?
Kellog's voice actor is bloody brilliant! Just had to point that out.
Karl the Barbarian he had that max payne feel to him, i really liked his character in the game too bad they killed him off
BratBodrov I wish we had an option to enslave him so he can work in my raider outposts
I believe he was paid to do the voice acting before he even knew what game he was doing it for.
Karl the Barbarian agreed
Karl the Barbarian agreed
Kellogg was a great villain.
Mainly because he wasn't evil for the sake of it. He was a jaded merc and all the horrible things he did were impersonal. He had a rough life and from that, a pessimistic view on the world around him. Even with all that he had some sort of moral code or atleast an understanding of one as he obviously regretted killing off one of the parents. Probably because he had a family of his own at one point and understands the pain of losing them.
He’s a better person than father for sure
@@iciclefox9901 nah
He is
Colonel Crossfire you’re right. I’m glad that we stand at the same shoes when knowing these complex and multidimensional video game villains.
A moral code is useless against indifference
Perhaps the best bit about how Kellogg was introduced to us (the players) is that we only got to know him better AFTER we killed him. We didn't get to choose our course of action after learning about someone, letting us ponder our actions after they were done. Which... is nothing short of what real life is.
We never got to choose our course
@@a.k8185 i think OP means we get to choose wether or not to forgive the sentient box of cereal with a gun
Kellog is the best FO character ever because he's real, he shows the consequence of horrible parenting and life decisions, the way they did it, as you said was very clever in that, we retroactively get to hear about why he was such a PoS, and it wasn't all his fault.
We get the sense of "this world sucks and raises monsters" we reflect on our actions and the thought comes to mind that no, he wasn't just some mindless monster... he was a consequence of the wastelands brutality. Almost a victim, in a sense, in his own right.
Then we meet Cait... and instead of her becoming Kellog, she travels the path less traveled, and she is redeemed. This is significant and ties the feelings together in a surprisingly clever and complex way with many variables of when or if we even meet her and follow her story as well.
Sometimes I wish he was alive so we could forgive him n be friends
He lived that long just because of his balanced breakfast.
But he didn't help settlements @Another Settlement needs your help
Speaking of which, there's another settlement that won't last as long if you don't help it! Here, I'll mark it on your map.
He works for the synth abominations!!
Another Settlement needs your help im not going to help your settlements, just kidding
You cheeky bastard
You know, something interesting about FO4 is that it ties all the games together, largely thanks to Kellog.
The formation of the NCR & working for the Shi, which ties the originals and NV in, the BOS and Android quest from FO3 was heavily involved in FO4, etc..
Also Kellogg has probably the best voice actor I’ve heard in any Bethesda game.
I like him, but the best voice actor for me is Liam Neeson. The Lone Wanderer's dad was voiced really well.
Arcade Gannon, Veronica, or Raul had the best voice actors for me, they were just so into the characters it was amazing
I dont spread rumors .. I create them ..- lucian lechance
Idk , guy who voiced lucian is up there on being awesome like kellog
Merc at Arms Liam Neeson
Yeah i really like how his voice fits his character and it just altogether sounds great.
Dude was handed a very unique .44 at level 1, not surprised he chose an evil playthrough..
man out here giving psychology lessons to 1,4 million people
I named that .44 "The Widowmaker"
@@silvergiovanni5336 ok, that's morbid.
@@heyfell4301 eh?
Then how about " The Widower" ?
:>
@@silvergiovanni5336 both are morbid, but i think Widowmaker sounds better. XD
Honestly Kellogg was one of my favorite characters. I can’t hate him, because honestly if I were raised like that and put in a situation where it seemed like the world was against me in the post apocalypse, I could see myself possibly going down the same dark path
Dark Human Nature sure is something else, all it takes is for one thing to break a man but it takes a lot to fix one.
It's the reason that you should give a little money to the beggar on the corner. All it takes is one really bad day and you'll be sitting next to him.
You can't hate him, but I sure as hell can
"The thing about happiness is that you only know you had it when it's gone. I mean, you may think to yourself that you're happy. But you don't really believe it. You focus on the petty bullshit, or the next job, or whatever. It's only looking back by comparison with what comes after that you really understand, that's what happiness felt like." man thats the best line in this whole game.
I agree, it was really well written. Even evil people can be wise.
Kevin Jones True, anyone can be wise.
The world is an odd place very odd
I like Kellogg cause he admits he's past the breaking point for good and evil he accepts he's evil and just want to live
I think the cliche is "You don't know what you got 'til it's gone." The sentiment is pretty much based around that cliche, but it is well-written, and it is true.
"There he is, the most resilient man in the Commonwealth..." Me:[Cranks laser musket]
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**pulls out Fat Man**
ExtraSpicy Memeball
*Cranks out another settlement that needs help*
*pulls out water gun*
ExtraSpicy Memeball mmm
Personally, I feel like he's far more tragic than you think. The way he phrases things and structures them, I don't feel like he's excusing himself but rather explaining himself. The whole way through, he sounded regretful to me. Saying the girl he loved deserved better than someone like him, I don't think he was saying that's just how he is but rather that that's who he made himself, and that the fact he chose to be that is what he's berating. Not so much an "oh well" as a kind of deep regret for who he is. I don't think he was making excuses so much as deprecating himself for the choices he made and the person he became. He came off like a decent person who'd allowed himself to become something awful, and hated himself for it. I don't believe he's a coward, but rather a depressed, broken man who's lost his chance at happiness and is resigned to whatever the hell life is going to toss his way next. I'd also like to mention he seemed genuinely regretful of what he did to the sole survivor, and I could swear there was an edge of spite and sarcasm to his comments on having his orders. He tried to let your spouse live, but they struggled too much. He came off like he really didn't want to do it. And he was audibly uncomfortable with the callous behavior of the institute, correcting the scientist when he called shawn "genetic material." I got the impression that his fight with you was a man who was tired of doing evil handing revenge to the person he viewed as his equal as a means of penance and escape. He'd locked himself into a path he no longer viewed as the right decision, and it was the only way he could think of to stop the gears he'd set in motion himself, viewing his own life as a pittance to throw a wrench in the Institute's plans. He stopped valuing himself long ago, so I imagine he wouldn't have cared much about dying, and probably welcomed it.
I cared more about voicing my interpretation, honestly. I don't really care if he's "interested" in what I have to say. Hell, I don't expect he'll even read it. But thank you for the response/word of warning. I personally find his philosophical bias a bit ridiculous, partly because his beliefs strongly mirror my own, but filtered through a black and white lens I can't help but view as slightly childish or simple. I guess he hits a moral uncanny valley for me, but nonetheless I still respect his views and it's honestly just fun to discuss different perspectives.
I agree, A smart person would see that.
I understand lance.
"attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify." I mean, pretty clear that just about everything Kellogg says is an excuse, not an explanation. Got to agree with Alex here, you're running way too far with the very little humanity Kellogg showed. But calling him a coward is too harsh of a way to put it, a better way is that he was too weak to do anything else.
whats a maybury trian of thought?
Here is the story in quick mode: he was founded on February 19, 1906. Even today, Kellogg's still taste good
Drew C lol
Drew - Washurmouthinton clever
Part of a balanced breakfast
Wait, Kellogg cereal is made of people named Kellogg?
Yeah, soylent Cheerios.
How's it taste?
I varies from person to person. *wink
Andrew 7
I don't think that cannibalism is the right choice, health wise
Kellog , the best darn cereal of the commonwealth.
Sugar Bombs > Kellogg
BEN Tsay cereal killer
warc9 they taste like cupboard
Brainbot Jezebel you taste like cardboard!, so you cant judge frosted flakes at all ;_;
BEN Tsay, I want to see someone make a retexture of sugerbombs as a mod for fallout 4 now!
"In a hundred years, when I finally die, I only hope I go to Hell so I can kill you again" Haha, that is a good one liner.
"one day, [the sole survivor] asked himself why he ended up in hell. What was he punished for? Then he realized, he wasn't getting punished.
He was the punishment"
Literally one of the dopest kill lines in history
@@ducite9943 Is that what he says? I always suspected he was planning to ambush you, so I just Fat-man him from across the room, which is literally the only time I use that weapon in the entire game.
@@jthomcres I shred him with my explosive m60(mods)
@@jthomcres no you say that with the sarcastic option in the last talk without attacking
20:01 Kellogg uses Revolver but the casing sound effect also plays when he fires the gun...
Because it just works.
it bugs me
I mean that's small potatoes compared to the disasterpiece fallout 76 is
It is because he originally used a 10mm pistol but that was changed. The casing was just left there on accident.
The thing is they did it right everywhere else. In Kellogg's memories, everywhere, even when the player uses the 6-shooter.
It may be an automatic ejector revolver.
I wish that we got more dialogue from Kellog. He seems like an interesting character, and has some interesting backstory to him. He lost his wife and his daughter.
Dominic Gonzales and he traveled from west to east coast so he been to almost the entire wasteland
The way I see it is this. In another time. another place, had things been different. Maybe Kellogg would have been a wasteland hero like the vault dweller or sole survivor.
He's meant to be a dark reflection of your character. Since you two have very similar pasts.
If he was around more it would lessen his impact.
I wish that we got more dialogue from Kellog in Nick Valentine head, goofy Bethesda.
I think it would have been interesting if he got his own quest line and, at the end, you can take him as a companion.
Yeah even as a lawful good character, i still weirdly liked/respected him lol
I like how Kellogg speaks like he’s reminiscing, like he’s still alive. And then he speaks to you from Nick, also, synth Shaun and Kellogg living together. :(
6:43 'This will keep you and Mary safe'. Proceeds to point the gun at the baby....
One faulty firing pin later, and he would have one dead baby with a huge hole in its head. .44 is a pretty large caliber.
The TH-cam Phantom Official and Imperator Phil STOP... my penis can only get *SO* erect...
"Mary this is a .44 mag one of the most powerful handguns in the world, so powerful it could blow our baby's head clean off. So I gotta ask, does she feel lucky?"
Psycho Michael lmao
BCUB3D no, just.... just no
Kellog feels like such a wasted character. His backstory is so interesting and his character was so compelling. It feels like such a waste that this well-voiced bad guy gets capped so quickly before the story even gets rolling. Disappointing the only way you can resolve the mission is scattering his brain matter.
I'd have gladly opted for an incredibly hard charisma check where you can convince him that you ultimately forgive him, and he instead gets a place as a companion or at least gets more glory in the main story.
Why though? Why would you want that? Lol just why? I don't understand these comments, people seem to empathize or pity him far too much. All of the stuff that makes him a good character literally only happens because you blow his brains out, without that he's just another p.o.s you gun down.
I'd rather have Danse
anthony longoria I dont think Kellogg is a good person but I hate the game limiting my options and making me go down a certain path
anthony longoria its suppose to be a role playing game, you should be able to choose what you want to do, spare him, or kill.
I agree he was such a compelling character, just a lack of story
I do pity him but he killed my wife, stole our son and everyone else in the cryogenic tanks to die so.... *slaps in a fresh power pack into my las pistol*
*”las pistol”*
*Imperial Garud commisar intensifies*
So...You're gonna tell me...I was the only one to minigun/fat man him to death?
I surrounded him with mines before I talked to him
Daniel Sambar made me sad laser pistol, abbreviated
6:42 "see this , this is whats going to keep you and mary safe"
*proceeds to wave the gun barrel pointed at the child and wife.*
I know right! I was like "and that's why he doesn't have a family anymore"
This, this so much.
I was almost flinching expecing it to hit the child at any moment.
@@JonatasAdoM Same LMAO
The only Kellogg I like is the frosted flake variety.
This one is pretty cool too though.
Who doesn't?
Mr. RallyMcTally you get what he's sayin
Drew Drawers It took me too long to figure that out..
Let me see what I can do with my Cryolator , Drew =)
Simply Legendary cryo mines and sugar Bombs mix well too
LOL, the struggle is real against that novice lock
Arkosh
Sometimes the script needs a little drama xD you remember the ending of the first Schwarzi Conan? Exactly...
Totoro!!
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Arkosh im way better
Preston Gravy .....
Kellogg is one of the best characters from the game. It's a shame they killed him off so early.
I think it would have been awesome to have a quest were Nick Valentine became Kellogg after the mind dive
@@daltonjrhodes or at least he would have Kellogg combat dialogue
I wish he could have been a companion ...
It would be nice if you had a choice to kill him
Its sad that he had a troublesome past that made him into a psychopath killing our wife
Kellogg is the type of character that you despise, yet can't keep feel sorry for him. The type of character that you don't condone for what he has done, but can't blame him either.
*Well, you can.*
Likeable villains
@@matchuwuwu true
💯 th like
Yep,like every single outlaw on the RDR series.
Assaultron: "Identity of assailant: Kellogg"
Sole Survivor: "Did Kellogg do this?"
Assaultron: "Identity of assailant confirmed: Kellogg."
and Kellogg is less of a monster than Father, who isn't just responsible for the deaths of many innocents like Kellogg, but the unethical experimentation on all of his victims, their families, torturing synths, that, despite not being human, are definitely intelligent enough to be considered sentient, using them as slaves and nothing else. Sure, Kellogg was a psycho and serial murderer, but he didn't toy with the lives of his victims and their families, torture and enslave artificially intelligent lifeforms, and he doesn't run the biggest asshole faction in the Fallout universe, even worse than Maxson's brotherhood when it comes to anti-ghoul, anti-synth behaviors. The Institute reminds me a lot of the Enclave, and would most likely create a counter-FEV that kills everyone not born in a vault or before the war and not ghoulified, if given the chance.
Assaultron: Yeah, this is big brain time
@@2_litre_water_bottle not like it can do much else anymore
Kellog wasn't scared. He was *_guilty_*. He murdered yohr spouse and stole your child. He didnt want to also kill you. He was literally underestimating the sole survivor.
I think there is some truth to that
Agreed
Nietzsche's Moustache nope. He needed the family alive. He didn't want to kill the player but simply had too. He knew he ruined ur family and even gives a passionate (like it matters) "damn" when he does, but says "at least we still have the backup" looking at you. They needed u for something..
That something being harvesting, I presume. It really makes me wonder as to why indeed (!!!) they wouldn't refreeze the dwellers? Most of them should've had viable ovi/sperm - couldn't they have had them contained, stored safely until they'd design some artiificial womb device of sorts..?
Георгий Пресняков i think it has something to do with the fact that father started the institute, and there for had to take himself from u, in order to meet u before he dies. And pass on his beliefs. Which I'm sure most of us disagree with.. Idk I forget that game honestly. Wasn't to happy with the gameplay. The scenes and scenarios were half decent. But overall feels like a lackluster, less in depth fallout 3, rebuffed graphics. Yawn
I agree with all of your morals Ox. You're a great guy. But I've been a victim of the world around me myself. At 13 I was abandoned by my mother's family during a crisis time. My mother was in prison and the state had custody of me. At any point any of them could have come and gotten me. They're response? "You're mother needs to learn her lesson. You'd be better off." My dad (the hero of my life) drove from Houston Texas to St. George Utah to rescue me. I hated my family and disowned them. It made me bitter. I drank like a fish and found other comforts to ease my trauma. It wasn't until my wife was with child that I turned myself around, and it wasn't until we lost that child that I learned true self control.
I'm late lol but you and I have similar paths where as I was owned by the state of texas and abandonment of family at a young age (7).
Respect dude hope life is good now 🤞
it looks to me like Kellogg's character has been modelled like he was the star of the show, with the motion captured synth fight sequence in his memories, and especially the animation in your final encounter with him... the body language in that sequence has been animated with so much character, and the facial animation tech which make other characters look like marionettes instead seems to fit him so personally, it all comes together almost to the level of a TV personality... i dont think any other character in the game gets such a high quality treatment
I really got to fundamentally disagree with your conclusions about Kellogg. He is not a victim who believes that others are justified to being victimized by being weak. I can see why you would make such a point, but I personally believe that he simply doesn't give a fuck. He suffered so much and went through so much that he simply does not care anymore. He got beaten, punished and such and in the end, he simply went "fuck it"; it is something I can understand. To me, Kellogg is one of the best characters and it is real shame that we can't keep him alive. It is good to stand against horrible things that happened to you and stay good but how many bad guys like that we have for one good person who managed to "remain good"? Kellogg is kinda the character who I feel gets Sole Survivor the most. Wish we could keep him alive and maybe help him feel better.
Also, here is another thought: if fools learn only based on their own mistakes, then everyone is a fool.
EDIT: Also, kinda disagree at the last bit. The reason why Kellogg gets "scared" is because he knows that your character went through the same thing he did; so he knows that you are dangerous. Not because you have Piper or Nick or BoS but because you hurt. It really sucks how game almost forces you to be rude to him in the moment instead of being like, "Yeah, let's fight it out and see who is better." At the end, his last words, I think, are meant to show that he admits that Sole Survivor is strong.
YES YES YES I AGREE WITH YOU VERY VERY MUCH i honestly got angry at his conclusion because they didn't make sense to myself or the evidence shown
One Really Grumpy Jill, i think kellogg was beyond help by this point. Besides the sole survivor could never forgive kellogg for killing the spouse
I think he cares alot. That's part of his constant inner turmoil. He is riddled with guilt. I think he is far far from a "just doesnt give a fuck" type of person.
Yeah, pretty much how I always thought of him. Someone who's just been through so much shit that he really doesn't give a fuck about anything. Everything he gave a fuck about was long gone and getting revenge for his family was the last thing he really gave a shit about. So after that he was just like "Now what?". He never really found anything to care about after that so he just soldiered on... simply tried to exist and survive. Probably wishing someone would smoke him but his survivor's instinct prevented him from committing suicide and his excellent combat prowess kept others from doing it for him for a really, really long time. If he got the chance to spread the pain around here and there along the way, it was just a sick perk of the job.
@@jackspoon7252 Angry lol. You need to chill
Kellogg in my opinion is easily the best, most fleshed out character in the entire game, and it breaks my heart that there was only one way to resolve that ending. By the time you went through the entire process of learning about Kellogg, it felt hollow to kill him, there was no vengeance in it. It was just, hollow and bleak.
That's the point, revenge is always hollow and bleak, there's no satisfaction in it. It's brilliant storytelling to direct it as such. I feel as though that they didn't do a good enough job making you want to kill him before meeting him though, as it would have made us connect better to the sole survivor, and make that plot point work a little better.
I was just disappointed that our only option was to kill him, I don't think a man like Kellogg would have ever experienced mercy, and that would have been an interesting option to explore.
It is really sad when 4 dialogue options come up and they are all just end up being kill Kellogg :/
I do wish that there was a charisma check that would allow him to become a POW and be put in Cambridge or in a cage in the castle or lock3d in the institute it would have been nice to show meecy and attempt to rehabilate him but your character would,nt as he shot and killed your spouse and neighbours he kidnapped your son and put you through much pain but without him we would,nt have joined the brotherhood, started the minutemen found or son again he was a brill character though 10/10 bethesda
I know its not gonna be a popular opinion, but I'm glad we didn't get a "mercy" option. Because in the context of this situation, it would not have made sense. Consider, not just the sole survivor's feelings in that moment, but Kellogg's. He *wants* you to end him. He knows what he's done, the path he's lead. He actually respects you for making it this far, and when you were spared in the beginning he knew deep down, that one day you would come for him. He was waiting for it, I think. It fits with the twisted sense of the world he has, its a sort of justice for all he's done. Things coming full circle and all that. I really think, if there was a dialog option to "spare" him, that he would have called you a fool or coward and then shot himself. Seriously, that outcome would have been in keeping with the character we see. He is not going to accept mercy. And he certainly won't allow himself to be "rehabilitated".
Don't get me wrong, I wish there were more peaceful options sometimes, and I prefer that approach in my own life. But in this game we are playing the role of the sole survivor, and some of that story and attitude is set from the beginning. I don't hate it as much as some people, since I have played RPGs for years and am used to sometimes playing the role I am handed. And in this story, this really was the only way it could end. Its a shame this is the last of Kellogg, but again, he was done I think. He'd had a decent run, much longer then he ever planned. And he hated his life and the world that made him the way he was. Your revenge for your family, and learning about the institute from him before his death, are the closest he gets to a redemption.
And the sole survivor isn't likely going to spare him, even if they are a morally good character, since they know without a doubt he will keep killing people. Its literally all he knows. Sometimes in life there are situations like this, a sort of no-win scenario. But I do think this encounter was handled well. I do think it was in character. Because like I said, no matter how much you the player might have wanted him as a companion or wanted to "redeem" him, it would have not fit the person we have seen. He would never have accepted it. And I applaud Bethesda for making such a fleshed out character, and for letting him have the end he both wanted and deserved. Its nice to have choices in an RPG, but its not truly a *story* unless some things you can't control. That's what makes the choices you do get all the more powerful.
One thing that *really* bothered me throughout this entire video is how you state that "Kellogg excused himself for being evil because the world is evil" or something along those lines with the same meaning. He never excuses himself, heck he even says he is a bad person that doesn't deserve to be happy. He is clearly suffering from more than a few mental issues. That being said, he is outright honest with you. However, he does claim that the world is evil and the he himself is evil. That is his view of the world after everything that has happened with him and the dude has lived a long life, he'll probably have a more extensive view of the world than anyone.
Especially when you consider the fact that he has been involved with a lot of groups of people. He's seen a lot of people, people who think differently and act differently. He has without a doubt met beings of pure evil, and beings of pure good. He knows the difference, and he knows that he is incapable of being "good". He believes that his natural place in the world is that of evil. He blames himself constantly, not the world for how things turned out. He used to blame the world, but in his later years, he blames himself.
Luke I couldn't agree more, he is the way he is, and he doesn't think he can change. I'm pretty sure that Kellogg was perfectly content for you to kill him in the end, because he knew as long as he lived he would keep doing what he did
sad thing is just about 75% of everyone would end up like kellog if an event like fallout happened
Aaron Brown I wouldn't go that far at all.. 75% of the world's population wouldn't last a week in a Shit Hit The Fan scenario like a nuclear apocalypse.
In the Fallout universe, anyone with an extended age seems to take a very polarized view of the world. On one hand, you have Carol from The Underworld who remembers the day the bombs fell, and she's just about the sweetest and most caring person in the game. On the other hand, you have people like Kellogg and Cabot, who see absolutely no value in human life beside their own. You can draw any conclusion you want to about what goes on in the minds of someone with an extended lifespan, but the main point is people weren't meant to live that long. Anyone who maintains a long life span, while still being conscious, will probably have numerous disorders and serious mental flaws. Killing Kellogg was a mercy killing. No different that putting down a dangerous animal. Maybe years ago, he couldn't been rehabilitated, but in the fallout universe there's no such thing as a second chance. He rolled the dice, and he pays the tab that all men owe eventually. Just another story from a sad and broken world...
(Edit: changed 'Carol from Underwear' to 'Carol from Underworld' despite comedic value.
TrueFinalBoss OfEverything I can respect the agree to disagree part. And you are right, in the case of Cabot. Perhaps he's not the best example of longevity. But 200 years of conscience is enough to develop a lot of mental issues. It isn't natural, which is why those that have lived that along have been tainted by radiation or FEV. That being said, I think it would be hard to differentiate between mental health factors brought on by only age, untouched by any other factors; there's no control group, so to speak, of a perfectly healthy human who has lived that long, that we can use to mark as a control.
75% of whats left living if we must get that technical because the people who don't live like this are most likely going to end up dead
The best villains don't start as villains but are turned into one. Kellogg's a perfect example. Son of a raider and an idiot who had the gall to give a child a Magnum Revolver. That much disfunction has away to create social misfits. Then his wife and duaghter are killed by someone he apparently "fucked with". And since he couldn't do anything else other than killing, his mind eventually became twisted. But he isn't... evil. He's a puppet.
MCPunk55 he is evil he doesn't just do a job he slaughters people and people in the institute hate that but he is so dangerous no one says anything to his facr
@@donnellebarfield3964 he admits he is a puppet in the scene where you confront him. Kellogg is a warm body, who's seen nothing but death and tragedy his whole life, imagine how that'd be for you.
A soldier does what is needed or is punished and in fallout it's survival of the fittest.
Kellogg's mom is awful, but she does have a point with the gun. Especially in the Capital Wasteland, there is nobody near you to protect you if something happens, so you need a gun. It's something I think about in America as well. A *LOT* can happen in the 5-30 minutes it takes for a police officer to finally show up on scene, and you usually only ever get a few seconds to protect yourself IRL. So I think people that go around, expecting the police to always have their backs and protect their families are just absurd.
Sukki Blue I keep a gun nearby most of the time nowadays and that lesson to a kid in itself isn’t so bad but when it comes from a bad parent it’s obviously never going to have the right message
And then you realize that you can’t buy a gun without a permit to pro text yourself
These officers are really bad at their jobs...
Come in Europe, we didn't have these problems/fears about guns.
Why? Because they are way less guns.
You should see how a civilised country live.
And for the "we could intervene quick", this is mostly shit. You all need to be with a high morale, and you all know humans are not the highest morale entity.
Why do people always have to bring real life shit into stuff
I know I'm really late to this video, but watching this really makes me re-appreciate how good of an antagonist Kellogg was .. such a tragic character.
I really wish we could have got more of a story with Kellogg in the form of nick valentine , like when you heard him once right after the memory den I wish that happened more often and more frequently as a quest where you get to deal with that in however you can wether itd be killing nick and Kellogg or somehow separating the two or you know something along those lines
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Kellogg is my City
The Commonwealth is my street
The institute is my continent
The Prydwin is my toaster
Diamond City is my Toilet.
+Father Walrus Yay you learned.
15:05 - It takes a strong man to deny what's right in front of him -
"John Konrad", Spec Ops: The Line
as Shrek would say "Ogre's are like onions they have layers" I think Kellogg is an ogre.
For a character you only meet a few times, one of which is to murder the fuck outta him, why does it feel like that Kellogg has more development and personality than the Sole Survivor and the rest of the potential 'villains' of this tale?
Just like Vass Montenegro. Kinda.
The Vaas comparison is actually really, really apt - Both Vaas and Kellog are characters who:
- kill and take family/ friends from you at the start of both games.
- Are dark mirrors of the morality of the locations that both games take place in.
- Are potential dark mirror images of the protagonist and their own journey.
- Both get killed off relatively early in both games, which is odd considering the development both of them received.
- Both of them are also nihilistic to the extreme and are uncooperative with the protagonist's goals/ aims due to their very different life views.
- Both of them also act as "gateways" to the main threat or antagonists of both games (Hoyt, for Far Cry 3, and the Institute/ Brotherhood for F4)
Why is my comment deleted? I didnt do it.
Edit: It was bugged.
Arguably the only thing Vaas loses in in the villains that come after: At least Father/Shaun and Elder Maxxon gets more screentime and development, and are memorable in their own way.
Because its an RPG you yourself develop the character
I hope Kellogg appears in a prequel. Such a wasted character, he seems like the perfect antagonist for a naive protagonist.
Yup he should be make an appearance in Nicks body in fallout 5...
"Me against the world, just like 2Pac" -Kellogg
will you petition to be a radio dj in fo5
Started F4 blind playthrough hating Kellogg…end up learning way more than I thought about a very complex man.
Well done, truly
Theres also a theory that mama Murphy is the doctor with kellog at the beginning and that's how she knows your son is alive, if you look at her face it has the same structure.
OOO
Noooo.... she is a Psycker
@@teoborges3949 why does her being an institute doctor change that?
After all maybe the sight is the result of some experiment
@@DogsRNice nope, if you have played Fallout 1, 2 & New Vegas or watch these videos from Oxhorn, exist a group of people known a Psycher's, they are able of telepathy and in rare cases able to see the future with other dimentions, it's only happen after the great war, these people have been exposed to slight dose of F.E.V or some of them unlocked by Chems like Murphy.
"I'm not a crazed gunman, Old Man, I'm a mercenary! 'What the difference be?' One's a job and the other's mental sickness!"
I'll tell ya... Shaun, did NOT care for.
"...I think a synth saw Nate... yes, yes it did!"
Boom! Feelings? You know who has a lot of feelings? The bloke who bludgeoned my wife and kids to death with a golf trophy. No, professionals have STANDARDS.
Be polite.
Be efficient.
And never turn down a contract from anyone you meet.
DAH, DAH DA DA DA DA!
Imo Kellogg is the best character in fallout 4
Hmmm....idk. Danse and Nick are pretty compelling
HAVE YOU MET CAIT!?
Yeah, that sounds about right.
I think you mean Curie
Nick, cait(
The voice in the hall is talking about Sarah and Mary, it’s so damn sad
I don't think it's being a coward. I thinks it's receiving so much trauma to the brain and the heart that they break. Like going insane and not being able to control it. Some of us are born into money, into big loving families and constant opportunities and some of us are born into pure shit. Imagine not having any support and not ever having much of anything and still losing that little bit you have on a constant basis. Others progress and you try and try but fail. Do you know what this failure does to a person? This solitude and alienation? It makes you sad and eventually it will bring you into a blind hatred. Some people are strong enough to make it out but many collapse under the weight of savage oppression in a very cruel world. Kellogg clearly broke. Not that what hes doing is right but its a viscous circle. Good video tho as always
Sounds like a paragraph about a pity party. My father grew up on a block where men sold their own daughters for sexual favors. Crack and heroin were rampant. His parents were just as poor as every one else. Now he's retired and worth 4.5million approximately. Sob stories help no one and we all have one. Go get it or sit and watch others thrive.
@@Blexxor12 If only life is that black and white.
@@Blexxor12 Yeah well, that's incredible that your old man made it out. But that's obviously because he's an exceptional person. Not all of us are well-equipped to deal with an onslaught of trauma and come out in one piece, and he's very fortunate but you shouldn't be so callous.
When Kellogg kills Nate or Nora shouldn't that have blown Shawn's ears out. I mean it would have hurt a fully grown adults probably make your ears ring but it wouldn't make you go deaf. When you shoot a gun out side all that noise gets blown miles away, but inside that noise had no where to go, its like 3 times as loud
I really enjoyed Kelloggs character.. I thought "oh no, another hollow villian" as we were on the chase but as his story unfolded I took pity on the man up until his evils and saw them as two separate people. The outsider who is just trying to get by and the man who succumbs to evil. All wrapped up in a great performance from his VO artist!
I feel Kellogg should simply be pitied. When I dealt with Kellogg I took a forgive but do not forget approach. Kellogg when he went into the vault and took Shaun it was under the orders of the Institute. He only shot the spouse because s/he wouldn't give Shaun up in a timely manner. Kellogg was a tool of the Institute in a similar manner to a gun. Who should you hate the tool or the wielder of the tool. The person I blame is the director who sent Kellogg to the vault in the first place whilst only disliking Kellogg for taking Shaun and shooting my spouse.
Wonder what impact Kellogg would make in the battle of Hoover Dam. Probably would end up like Ulysses, eventually.
Oxhorn, I like how you do a deep dive on characters. Sometimes, through you, I see things I missed or maybe look at from a different angle. I like how you don’t let Kellogg off the hook due to a bad childhood. We can’t help the way we were raised but we have the freedom to do better.
Kellogg: you’ll never find the institute. And I’ll kill you.
Ss: in your dreams.
Kellogg: HOL ‘UP
This is the only time I'll disagree with Mr. Ox ,in abusive childhood from seeing domestic abuse and verbal to physical on himself children develop cptsd (complex post traumatic tress disorder ) and those who were a victim and grow to victimize have built in logic to re traumatize themselves doing all the bad though inexcusable he subconsciously makes himself go through it all and in a twisted way he could see his actions as merciful ,sparring families and people from becoming numb and monsters like he is ( insert dark Knight quote ) but that's just my opinion
He is a cereal killer.
I will see my self out now
Kellog was the only villain I could sympathize with. After seeing the memories in the memory den, you see that he was made a cold blooded killer, he wasn't born that way. I wish he had more development time and also had an opporrunity to forgive kellog and keep him alive but I understand that in order to progress, he needed to die.
Ok, I love Oxhorn and his videos, but...
18:34
"The fool learns every lesson in life the hard way, through experience; The wise man learns life's hard lessons from people who already experienced them so that he doesn't have to experience them himself"
Huh?
So the wise man basically learns lessons from fools
OfWeave the wise man doesn't get his ass kicked
Yeah lol, if you see someone kick a dog and the dog mauls them as a result, you've now learned to not kick the damn dog by seeing their mistake.
i'd argue the wiseman learns from his mistakes whilst he's still alive or predicts a mistake and avoids it
OfWeave he means the wise man won’t endure something that someone else has already done to get the same point. For example someone runs across the road they get run over, the wise doesn’t need to get run over to learn not to run across the road. The wise man just looks at history.
I might be 6 years late but you really made me enjoy fallouts lore and because of you i cant help but nerd out every time i play the game. Thank you for being one of the biggest reasons i love fallout.
He is one of the best characters created in any video game or literature. I could feel what he felt like it was my own memories. The chills man.
I just realised that Kellogg was his surname
Hey ox, have you ever noticed in the scene where Shawn is kidnapped, there is the sound of a catridge hitting the ground? Kellogg uses a revolver and revolvers don't drop their ammunition casings after being fired. Interesting?
What do you mean? Did he drop all his bullets?
No, an empty belt cartridge when he fired, it was as if he fired a pistol, where it automatically ejects the round and hits the ground, but revolvers don't have that function. They are stored in slots until emptied all at once.
I'm fairly sure the sound effects there are uniquely part of the cut scene which originally used a 10mm pistol.
Re recording it was probably not worth the time after they'd swapped over to the 44.
Kellogg is one of those odd cases where knowing his tragic backstory and how much of it has parallels with your own only serves to make him more unlikable as a character. Given he's been through a similar pain to what he inflicted on the sole survivor he is fully aware of how evil his actions are
Since I've always hated Shaun and wife, I wish there was an option where you could let Kellog live and possibly team up with him.
why am i so addicted to these videos? XD
Dunno. It is strange that you are addicted, because there sure aren't any fried chicken or watermelon to be found in these videos.
Maybe man, maybe
It is the voice.
I know right? I only watched a few of them because I thought they were interesting. Now I am watching basically all his Fallout 4 lore videos. Maybe it's the way he explains the lore that makes them enjoyable.
His well edited videos, logical opinions and explanations. That's why I like them, I don't agree with everything he says, but I can understand them.
Hey there was more of Kellogg’s dialogue in vault 111 in his memory, where he talks about how kidnapping Shaun reminded him of him daughter
I would’ve personally preferred the option to spare Kellogg or even get him as a companion. Like you had the option to talk down The Legate in New Vegas. I’m sure one mercenary could’ve been convinced to at least not have to fight to the death.
I know this an old comment, but i guess the diffrence is Kellogg personally wronged your character. Where as Lanius despite being in my opinion at least way more evil then Kellogg, didnt do anything personally to the Courier so it makes it more believeable you’d be allowed to spare him. Still though its a pretty intresting idea, like idk maybe it work in away your kinda holding kellogg hostage and using him as leverage to get in the institute :))
@@grenadesblows719still, if this was Fallout new Vegas, they would definitely make the interaction much more interesting, like you spend all this time chasing down this man and all you can say to him is a few lines that do nothing but initiate combat? very subpar writing
Take as companion your wife's murderer? That's unrealistic and ridicilous
@fireboy3413 I want nothing more than to play New Vegas, but dear god, NV fans act like its the only peice of media that exists. Not everything needs to go exactly like New Vegas.
I️ actually forgave Kellogg.
To me, his story is pretty tragic.
@@funnymeme1847 Well thing is, he is like that because of his bad childhood, it's not like he is a good person, but he is not bad either he just is. Someone bad is usually bad with no reason, Kellogg on the other hand had plenty of reasons to do bad things, he's become desensetized to it.
@GameMaster I fully understand but I kinda just hate it when they just give a villain a tragic backstory, and all of a sudden, all of the sins that they have commit are forgiven. Tragic, but I still hate the “villain with a backstory” cliche.
@@funnymeme1847 You are acting like Kellogg now. See, Kellogg let others actions shape him. He was a mould that the wasteland created from pain and suffering, using the pain and suffering to create his own pain and suffering.
*oh no*
I wish we had the option to let him live and hear him out. If our character knows that Kellogg has contact with our son, why would we be so eager to kill our best chance of finding him so quickly. Given his background with family, I am sure Kellogg may see reason in helping you or clarifying things. Alas Fallout 4 is a first person shooter with role playing elements and not an RPG.
He does tell you that he understands your drive but still tries to make you turn back or tells you things are better this way. He wasn't going to help you and he makes that pretty clear lol
anthony longoria stop saying lol its fucking annoying
bro had the nerve to call us frozen dinner when he's a box of cereal
the imertion of the game is destroyed almost every time i speak with a character that has Garrus Vakarian's voice.
CMDR Antezscar Every goddamn time all I hear is "I think we're good Shepard" and I mentally reply "I think we're fucking great, Garrus" and suddenly my immersion is gone... Sad but true.
The same thing happened to me, but in New Vegas. When 50 different enemies all have Sasukes voice, it tends to break immersion for me
I *heart* Garrus.
Why the hell did Bethesda never expand on the Memory Den? There was SO much potential there that they literally limited to 2-3 questlines at most.
"I understood that kind of revenge, no one better"
Every time is as good as hearing it the first time.
The game really ended when Kellogg's dead, the rest is just cleaning up. I always wanted to see evil Nick.
At the end of your video, everything you said about the family (both parents) needing to be there to help guide or at least instruct. Even if they do a perfect job that doesn't mean that the person is going to come out great but at least they have some type of guidance. Their decisions after that are their own but it also to me starts with the parents. I think the ending was great and the good lesson for everyone at any stage of their life with their child.
The origin story of corn flakes
The world take everything from him. So he take everything from the world
I like it but i don't think he does these thangs because his life got mest up he was doing it before it was it's the old saying u can't teach a old dog new tricks
*NOT A PERFECT SPOT FOR A MIRELURK DEN*
I can’t say I don’t honestly pity Kellogg. What happened to him was nothing short of brutal. His entire life was brutality and pain. He didn’t know any other way. A lot of the time, people’s childhoods shape who they are as human beings. And your childhood could make you or break you. My childhood was full of trauma and pain, and I turned that into life lessons. But Kellogg, he allowed himself to succumb to the pain he endured and became a calculated and cold man. I agree he was a coward. Under all the tough exterior of Kellogg was a scared and hurt little boy. One of my favorite characters. Although we didn’t have much time with him, he was one of those characters who had so many layers. We learned so much about him, and I really enjoyed his character. I wish we got to see more of him.
"What ever made me think that a guy like me should have a daughter? No. I never deserved her. Not for one second."
I'm bawling. I have 3 children and have had extremely harsh problems family-side, but am an extremely supportive and proud father.
This thought is so real that I am physically hurting right now.
Just wanted to pause the video to say this. Time to power through.
I dare say Kellogg is the best character Bethesda ever created.
What about M'aiq the liar
I see you haven't met our adoring fan, yet.
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@@alexharrison1247 Dogmeat is the best one
What about belethor, at the general goods store
We deserve a Kellogg focused Fallout game. My favorite character in FO4.
Who knew a sentient cereal box could have such a storied past.
Kellogg is my spirit animal. Such an amazingly well written and voiced character.
If he started hunting when he was a kid he would be the most feared mercenary.
I want a kellog dlc. That would be really interesting
I just realised Sole survivor is not Sole survivor until shaun is dead.
"See this, this is what's gonna keep you and Mary safe" He says as he points the barrel directly at his baby's head.
I've watched a lot of your videos, and you are definitely one of absolute favorites to go to when it comes to lore for these games... That being said, I think you got a little bit too preachy about Kellogg's world view, it didn't feel like you had the objectivity that you normally do. Not saying you were wrong in pointing out that his point of view was wrong? Just saying that you said it so many times that it felt like you were beating a dead horse.
love4bodymod thank you. I actually commented the same thing.
8:11 Always gives me chills when i hear kellog saying this
Heh. “Cereal killer”
This is why I’m single.
I don't think it's right to judge him too harshly, all things considered. He was dealt a bad hand and was given the wrong mindset. The right one to survive, but the wrong one to thrive and prosper. It's a fatalistic worldview for a fatalistic world, but it only helps him in the short term and not the long term. He doesn't even give other jobs a thought, he went straight for guard duty and fucked with lots of bad people to get street credit by reputation alone. He's had good intentions with the guard job, so he did deserve a daughter and wife, but they deserved better than him...for being associated with him was a death sentence, one they couldn't foresee.
We humans have a nasty habit of living in the moment even in modern comfort, let alone a type of world where you have low chances of seeing the next morning. We are shaped by our experiences, yet we also have some bit of blame of how we turn out for we, in some cases, can bend to our nature or act on our experiences or act against them. Kellogg for the most part doesn't act on his nature, he does have a good nature about him...wanting to have a family, enjoying living with Shaun, feeling remorse and regret for some of his actions. But he more or less bends to his experiences as a drifting mercenary, that is all he has known and thanks to some mistakes in the past, he just couldn't go back. He is a victim of his own choices and there is a point where there is no going back.
Yes, Kellogg is responsible for his actions. But life, in of itself, is a continous, neverending stream of consequences interconnected with each other. And Kellogg is just a long, long string of horrible consequences.
Interesting thought.
Kellogg absolutely could have been a protagonist all the way until he started taking hits on random people.
Leaving home, building his life, starting a family, getting revenge on their killers.
It makes you wonder, is the Courier still a good guy? Is the Lone Wanderer? Both are presumably still alive by FO4’s time.
The Wanderer would be, what, around 30?
And although the Courier’s age is intentionally obscured, due to some perk-related dialogue he’s gotta be in his late 30’s at least in NV, maybe older, so 30+, maybe 40+ by then.
There’s absolutely a world in which the Courier, an explorer for the NCR, runs into Minuteman/BOS/Institute scouts somewhere in the south/Midwest.
I actually have more in common with Kellogg than any game character in any game period
Because of this im *never eating frosted flakes again*
Just a normal account and nothing else 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
But they'rrrrrre Great!
Lmfao
22:50 I mean, Kellog didn't know that Sole Survivor was also a parent to that child, for him they were just another random vault dweller.
He did, they refer to him as a backup (due to genetic reasons) also vault tecs administration
I think this fits more of the chaotic landscape of the human world, two men step out into a world missing everything and everyone, one has hope and goals to rebuild what was lost while the other wants to demolish everything in front of them, they want the world to suffer for what has happened to them. I don’t think you were too soft or too hard on the man, I think you told his story the right way.
You could have click baited and made the title, "KELLOGG EXPOSED."
I think you interpreted him as a more complex character than even the FO4 writers did.
Kellogg is basically Nate but born in wrong enviroment and people(Like he has an abusive father, his Mother doesnt have any hope etc.)