Fallout 4: 5 Things They Never Told You About The Brotherhood of Steel
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- Fallout 4 is a game of many factions, however the Brotherhood of Steel stand out as easily one of the most prominent and recognizable. Having made a noteworthy appearance in just about every Fallout game to date, the Brotherhood of Steel is an iconic group of some of the world's greatest and most well equipped soldiers and scientists. Throughout the Fallout franchise, the Brotherhood and its various chapter have shifting motivations and objectives but they're a consistently interesting and powerful bunch and they're especially a big deal in Fallout 4. So today we'll be taking a look at five things you (probably) didn't know about the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 4.
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@@EpicNate you always upload while I work! By the time I see the notification its 2 hours old
@@EpicNate lmao
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You know Fallout 76 was bad when nearly 5 years later TheEpicNate135 still makes videos on Fallout 4 and none on 76.
Yes and i still play that game lol
nearly five years..?
@@theworstmaid well it's been 4 years and 3 months. So not 5 years
@@Acefreezies i thought he meant since 76 came out, i'm a dumbass
KENZC62091 I’m playing it right now
Ah, the feared member of BOS,
The vault dweller.
Or the sole survivor
@@MemeSlayer982 Both
Y'all be forgetting the courier
@@MemeSlayer982 same thing
Vault dweller, lone wanderer and sole survivor. All 3 diffent person.
You don’t save Danse by killing Maxson, he’s such a hardcore BOS soldier that he turns against you for killing the man who ordered his execution
He believes in the BoS down to his very bones, he's just not as standoff-ish as Knight Rhys.
Danse is the perfect BOS paladin.
@@Bael_KnightMage yes
Does he really?
@@alterego9618 yes
Can we just take a moment to realize how cool the BoS logo looks.
But its a pile of ash
It looks like something that belongs in war hammer to me
@@Freefire-xm8vt power armor and heavy weapons. BOS knights Definitely feel like space Marines
@@Freefire-xm8vt damn, your right
@@Freefire-xm8vt for me it looks like the jedi order logo
Me: Kills Elder Maxson
Me: Becomes elder
Me: Yes! I finnaly have Maxsons coat!
*I'm a bad bitch you can't kill me*
@@eldermaxson2527 ad Victorium
@@karalyna2004 hail hydra
mods my friend mods
@@eldermaxson2527 ad victoriam
So, after a few missions, you can become the leader of the Thieves Guild, the Companions, the Dark Brotherhood, the College of Winterhold, the Minute Men, the Institute, and even Overseer, but Bethesda drew the line at being leader of the BOS?
That's what makes me think there are plans for the BoS on the east coast.
Not Great at Gaming Cause it shits on Fallout Lore
I mean you also didn't become Railroad leader when you finish with them either, you become director because of your son while you rebuild Minuteman so you get that general rank
They can't keep milking the BOS if the sole survivor is the elder
Good becoming the leader of factions sucks
Man, I can never bring myself to join the Brotherhood. Every time I start a playthrough, I'm like, okay, join the BoS this time, let's give it a go. Then I get to Cambridge Police Station, Knight Rhys starts running his f***ing mouth, and next thing I know I'm an enemy of the Brotherhood again.
TheLongDark your loss, great faction, few bad apples
Railroad is way more entertaining 🤣
Oh by the way, I have a new weather monitoring beacon I'd like you to place for me
Sorry, I can't. Another settlement needs my help.
Rfl
Ah yes my favorite place in the capital wasteland: Diamond City
and getting his mind wiped by the institute not the railroad. :P
Also my favorite security guard Harkon
I liked how he said " believe it or not" like 20 sec or so before he starts talking about how harkness is the head of security in diamond city soo.. I guess i should say "no i dont believe u" haha i love u videos men keep it up
Dis make me lul
Lol
Elder maxson is better at caring about mental health than school's
Lmao
What do you mean I haven't slept more than an hour since I started high school(sarcasm)
Yes
Purple guy bruh you stop kids to even get to the 5th grade
TheOneEyedFrog ! They died
Everyone: Elder Lyons was so nicer than Elder Maxson.
BoS under Lyons: Shoot ALL ghouls on sight!
BoS under Maxson: Only shoot ferals.
I like elder mcnamara more
The correct answer here was Lyons. Ghouls are an abomination.
@@Earlybird86 no they are not, they are humans. Except feral ghouls, feral ghouls are as good as dead.
Just a friendly reminder to all you would-be bigots out there Ghouls are people too. You see, children, Ghouls are simply humans who've been exposed to an ungodly amount of radiation and haven't had the good fortune to die. Sure, they may look like hideous zombies from an old monster flick, but their hearts, their souls, their tears are all very much human. So please, if you meet one of the Capital Wasteland's many Ghouls, leave your prejudice at the door an your pistol in its holster. Ah yes, one important caveat, kiddies. Those Feral Ghouls that prefer the dark, dank underground? They ARE basically mindless zombies. So kill as many as you damn well please.
@@Zhuravliov then let us increase their fortunes by cleansing them.
Perhaps we can interview the sane ones to glean any knowledge of technology they have before we grant them... peace.
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*The Brotherhood of Steel*
- _What they were meant to be:_ The Cult Mechanicus
- _What they turned out to be:_ The Adeptus Astartes / Astra Militarum
Warhammer 40 k
@@markuscraft3905 yep
@Sassy The Sasquatch You sound like one of _those_ people that thinks synths are people
@Sassy The Sasquatch Go liberate a toaster, snowflake
@Sassy The Sasquatch It was Joe
Do they have curved swords, I doubt it, those redguard from hammer fell do,
I got a heart! Still nothing compared to the curved swords
@@owenroherty397 Curved.
@@intensellylit4100 Swords!
@@owenroherty397 cuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrved
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I think the "good" BOS ending was axed on purpose to make the faction a harder choice. No matter how attached to them you are, they WILL force you to make a hard decision, and I think it's a good story beat.
To be fair the railroad is full of morons who kind of deserve to be shot
@@charlottewalnut3118 "Welcome to the railroad! Over there is the guy who makes our armored hats, in there is the robot head that plans our shocking number of murders, and the rest of this basement is given over to equipping our army of super-soldiers. Synths you say? Oh, we don't let them in here, we just send them to some dork neck town in the swamp and hope they don't die. Anyhow, would you like some plastic surgery?"
@@raycearcher5794 dont forget our weapon of choice launches rail spikes at people its a cool weapon for a while but i think i prefer my highly modded assault rifle and Light machinegun to it after the first 20 shots
@@Ranjuw get the pain job dlc it is better and if you get the Ai power armour dlc the one from that looks even cooler if you have a few Ai suits wearing it and following you around
@@Ranjuw hey have u bought any dlc yet ?
The reason he wanted his troops at their best state of mind was so they would be able to notice synths more easily. If a soldier has the same tendencies and personality, then others would be able to identify sudden changes in their comrades and report it to medical under the guise of mental health. This was just a screening process. Im sure Maxson cares for the brotherhood, but he's up to something, even after you beat the institute hes preoccupied and on edge. Honestly I think hes ready for the enclave to pop out again but only time and Fallout 5 will tell lol.
Fallout 5 you mean bethesdas apology for fallout 76 right?
@@curtismcpsycho8212 As if Bethesda will apologize by then
@@OnionKnightRises I think they will once they find out they can't make one more shitty game and pay people to hype it up I don't know if bethesda does go bankrupt I think they'll go to zenimax and beg to work for them again and do whatever zenimax wants them to do.
We are rebuilding our strength and making alliances with other factions so we can defeat the B.O.S. watch the omega corporations video on how fallout will end
There's a pretty good mod where you help the enclave return to power and TOTALLY piss off the brotherhood, it is a good playthrough as well...👍
What if Danse IS Harkness? After re-discovering he is a synth, you would think that he would want another memory wipe and more reconstructive surgery right?
I kinda like that idea, plus he would have good reason to hate the Institute. Perhaps that could be so strongly imbedded in his mind that he joined a faction that would oppose his former masters.
it's not posible.
harkness was a courser with the designation of A3-21
and danse was a regular synth with designation of M7-97
@@trevorphilips4925 Not even A courser. Technically he was better since he was a little gen 3 or 4.
Actually darkness isn't a synth. The doctor who did the surgery and the dude looking for the synth both have synth components unlike harkness.
@@Arkenhiem Dr. Zimmer, the old leader of the instute, was a synth?
15:03 ah yes the dreaded vampire lord Harkon security head for diamond city. 180'd into skyrim
well, he is immortal...
Hey Nate, you said “Mind wiped by the institute” instead of railroad.
@guy c he also keep saying "protectrotron", among other weird names, so im guessing its like a running joke nowadays. xD
@guy c and that Harkness was head of diamond city rather than rivet city security lol
I noticed that as well
They were too busy detailing areas outside the maps boundary!
There's a possibility that Danse has at least passed by the Lone Wanderer
There's a high degree of probability that Pally Danse, like everyone who spends more than a cup of coffee in Rivet City, totally hates Seagrave Holmes
(Dude is never in his damn shop, just wanders around that rusty ass boat like "heeey guys, anybody wanna hang out? No?")
That first fact was so wholesome I might actually do a BoS playthrough.
The Unprofessional ikr
@Aron Travis agreed.
"the guardians would literally shoot non guardians on sight"
Yea The dark age was pretty brutal until the iron Lord's showed up
Nice reference
I have no time to explain why I have no time to explain
“Guardian Dow-“
7:50 "Just need to fix this air near liberty prime"
He’s stopping global warming lol
It’s important liberty prime might’ve tripped on the air
Our air is very important damnit.
The brotherhood elder quest also wouldn’t be that great lore wise. I don’t think Elders are replaced via battle to the death. In New Vegas, if an Elder breaks a major rule like the Chains that Binds then they’re demoted to knight while the head paladin takes their place no? If not, I think the council of Elders back in California decide on the next Elder like how Arther replaces Lyons.
Exactly.
This is exactly what I was thinking. They probably cut it for this exact reason.
@@ethanschenck9714
Well look at that. Bethesda made a decision that *_wasn't_* appallingly stupid.
@@Idazmi7 thank god, that would make the bos look like raiders
I haven’t been this early to something since my sons birth
Whats your son's name?
@@breadstick6143 🤔...
Want another one?
Not gonna lie, as militant and black-and-white as the BoS is, most of us would join in a heartbeat if they could. The quality of life they get compared to literally everyone else is huge. You get healthcare, comradery, and purpose. Not to mention access to badass weaponry and training. Despite their flaws, their commitment to their ideals help conserve their resources and protect their soldiers. Its hard to admit it, but Lyon's brotherhood would die off rapidly and be unable to replace their equipment, let alone their personnel, if they kept trying to save everybody.
Considering the first BOS member you meet is Al Bundy, I can see how they were originally made as a joke.
who are you talking about? :D Which member?
"A fat woman boarded the Prydwen today..."
@@alluurpo He means Cabbot, who greets the player at the Lost Hills in Fallout 1. It is also notable, that the BoS in Fallout 1 was known to trade with the Hub on a regular basis.
Oh, it suddenly makes more sense now why Maxson so easily agrees to let Danse out. He just has the soft spot for his men, including sole survivor.
The fo3 brotherhood was actually ironically the real outcasts of the brotherhood
Yep people don't seem to get this. The BOS really aren't good people at all Lyons is an anomaly. Maxson is far closer to what the BOS is supposed to be. Though even his version isn't super accurate.
Midwest BoS best BoS
How is that ironic when the “fallout 3 brotherhood” is literally labeled the Brotherhood of Steel Outcasts
@@pprewqq5822 He refers to the Knights of Casdin not being the outcasts, but rather the Lyons chapter, referencing that as ironic.
Damn I feel old. This came out 5 year’s ago?!?! I remember playing this day one
I played Wasteland when it first came out. Five years isn't that bad in comparison.
Me too my dude.
How old do you feel thinking this comment is 4 years old now
9 years 💀
Wasnt teagan the guy who ran the "collection" program from local farms and settlements? Noooot the nicest guy IMO. Nate. Your still the greatest.
The collection program was normal. Just what every military operation has done forever. Troops need food, so it is a must be done no matter what issue to begin with. All Teagan says, is basically a hard fact. Get the people to support us with food no matter what it takes. If you are getting violent or threatening, that's 100% on you as a player. If you need to use Teagan as a scapegoat to feel better about your actions, so be it.
@@dannymunch4633 You can ask him and it becomes clear that the request isn't sanctioned. He's also not subtle about suggesting you use any means necessary.
It's on you if you decide to go down the brutish route, but that doesn't absolve Teagan from his request. He's still a bad person for making that request.
@@jimm60701 id have to agree with you. Two excellent points.
@@jimm60701 No, he is a normal person for making that request. Campaigns are bound to fail when your troops are starving. Teagan is not requesting anything unusual.
Dude, you can't start a war without basic logistic
My real question about Paladin Danse is, when was he “switched” for a synth? It couldn’t be when he was a child, because synths don’t age and neither when he was a regular guy back in DC. My theory is that he was swap in his journey to the Cambridge police station.
Brilliant theory. But I feel that he's been a synth for a lot longer. Perhaps since before he joined the BOS (unless he was born into it) In the end, who knows for certain..
@@lordvoldemortsrighthanddea1740 isn't there somewhere in the speech that danse says something reminds him of rivet city, where the brotherhood found him
or The Institute had a synth prototype (which "is born" like a baby and can grow old) that worked, but that synth rebelled, in this case, Danse.
The answer is none of the above. He has all his memories, people know him. The institute doesn't swap people who don't know they're synths, only those that do so they can have an agent. Planting danse, the best solider there arguably, as they're own enemy seems like a terrible idea. Not to mention the institute had him listed as escaped on their database.
A more likely explanation is that he escaped long ago, the railroad found him, wiped his mind and sent him to DC where he met Cutler when he moved into rivet city. They started thier junk stand, he and Cutler join up. And he rises to the rank of paladin to only return to the commonwealth and find out he's a synth.
I think it was just a failed plot twist by Bethesda in order to give the player a difficult decision to make lol
I had a feeling a FO4 video was coming, because of the poll the other day.
"How's development going guys?"
*"Oh really good were just starting to work on the really interesting quests and stuff"*
"Thats great..but I'm gonna need you to stop all that, its release time!"
I love that a fictional commanding officer cared more for his fictional troops' mental health than my actual CO ever cared about mine.... Super reassuring for the state of our military...
Bro... I come here to escape my shitty leadership, not to be reminded. Also why I got my dd214 🤣
"But not even a faction this prominent was spared Bethesda's incredible attention to detail."
Heh..... heh heh
You know, you'd think a technologically advanced faction like the Institute would be smart enough to put a tracking chip in their Synths.
I've always found that absolutely ridiculous. The whole railroad institute thing just feels so unbelievable because of that.
I can put a chip in my dog and track it to the otherside of the planet and the Institute, the most advanced humans in history to our knowledge can't?
I mean I understand the GPS system is probably destroyed by this point but come on. They can teleport. That's practically magic.
Bullshit ... bullshit never changes
They do track their synths escaped synths have these subroutines disabled or removed in many different ways
The tracking chip would make it possible to deduce that it's a synth because of radio waves.
I’ve always believed that Danse was originally a human and was replaced sometime during his time in the Brotherhood but this kinda makes more sense
I thought it was only the Eastcoast Brotherhood of Steel that drifted away from the more Isolationist behaviors. Meanwhile the Westcoast BoS factions found in California and the Mojave Wasteland are still stuck to their old routes of not interacting with the outside world.
West Coast is like literally the only chapter that still hold it isolationist idea
To be Fair, The Mojave Chapter would've been cut to shreds by the NCR if they came up to the Surface too much.
One actually helps the world the other hides in a bunker after losing to people who didn’t even have power armor
"Hiding in a hole, waiting for everyone else to die."
If anything the Eastcoast BoS seem to be more in line with Roger Maxson's original mission for the order. Maybe not a full-blown rediscovery, but in comparison to the hermits running the Chapters in the Westcoast? They're doing a lot better for themselves. Owyn Lyons and Arthur Maxson both got the Eastcoast Chapter in a much stronger position with their approach to leadership. From Owyn Lyons getting the chapter to abandon tradition when needed, to Arthur Maxson managing to make the compromises needed to keep the former Outcasts, the hard-liners and native-born members of the Chapter united.
I feel like you're forgetting the part about Danse's memories of the Capital Wasteland being part of his childhood. Synths can't "grow up."
The way more interesting story (to me at least) is that Danse was replaced by a synth after coming in contact with the sole survivor, as a way for the Institute to keep an eye on what was happening in the Commonwealth and the BoS.
The Railroad can reprogram memories - including creating vague childhood memories. But your idea makes sense as well and would be a great story.
My idea is that danse was prob one of the og gen 3 synths like a prototype where they made them like a normal human that could age to a certain extent. But a child questions everything so he easily broke away and the institute decided to not make child stage synths and go with adults instead.
But when you kill Danse at Cambridge PS He has a synth component on him
I met Macready and Maxson as kids in Fallout 3... So I wonder if Danse was the synth who ran away in Fallout 3 that you could've helped the institute find. Apparently this Synth was given a new face and everything. It's also funny that the Synth lost by the Institute in Fallout 3 is a Courser, meaning he had combat experience. So this could mean that Danse was that rogue Courser in Fallout 3.
After the events of fallout 3, harkeness mind wipes himself and gets more surgery creating the new identify of Danse.
He still has a few vague memories from his time on rivet City but joins the brotherhood under his new identify to fight back against the institute subconsciously!
Thoughts??
They have different designations, so it's not possible, but it's a cool idea.
Credit to my best friend for finding this thing that doesn't add up in fallout. If you travel to the last place in Kellogg's memory and listen to what travis yes travis is saying on the radio, about piper's paper about mcdunna and do the math of the ages people would be things don't add up, if that was really Shaun in kellogs memory that would at least make piper and travis very old characters at least as old as Shaun was and will be present day in fallout. It's my friends theory that that's not actually shaun in Kellog's memory, but synth shaun.
Edit: to be more specific, how could piper and travis be around when shaun was a kid in diamond city, if he is a 60 year old man, it doesn't add up
It is in fact synth Shaun in that part of the memory Kellogg's dialog and other dialog throughout that part gives it away plus I think its mentioned in a terminal somewhere as well but unsure of that one.
That’s why I think father is bullshitting you and he wasn’t the one taken
@@altair7889 I'm pretty sure he's also wearing the same outfit in the memory and when you meet him in the institute so it's definitely just synth Shawn with Kellogg in diamond city
15:02 " The name of *H A R K E N* "
The institute has all this technology, and yet they cant remotely wipe a synth or hijack it?
All these missing synths dont have tracker chips in them or anything?
I never understood how a society more advanced than anything else ever seen cant do something so basic. I'm sure it's just a plot hole.
the normal gen 3 synths were made to look exactly like a human and even believe so to make it easier to infiltrate camps or important locations for long periods or switch a real human with a synth.the only way to tell if one is really a synth is by doing a full autopsy on the corpse to look for parts which are hidden inside, there cant be a remote control because it would be detectible(radio signal probably as the institute is using the classic radio signal),althought each synth has a unique code/name to "turn them off?" it can only be activated by being there and saying it to them.coursers on the other hand do transmit a signal back and forth to the institute to pin point their locations and teleport around and are detectible as we hunt one,in one of the quests.i want to note here that chase from acadia is a courser synth and the only female one too(maybe a prototype?not much info is given)but there hasnt been any attempt from the institute to bring her back or even destroy her,now thats a plot hole :P
I don't think remote controls exist in the Fallout universe.
I feel like you just are uninformed about this topic
badwolf korko
I know this is a bit late but it’s pretty much stated in game that the Institutes teleporter, being reliant on a radio transmitter, is limited to the Commonwealth.
speaking of which, the whole "synths are indistinguishable from humans" thingy is bs. a single x-ray can reveal that bigass synth component in their head.
The Brotherhood already stole my heart in everyway
This popped up and I'm like, "Boss Secrets? But it's missing the- oooh"
M Alexander same
Making the player the BoS elder would just be dumb. Glad they cut that... it doesn't work with how the Brotherhood is known to work, in addition to it being a full-time job that wouldn't work for the player character to take on.
i think the quest was scrapped because arthur maxson is actually a direct descendant of roger maxson, the founder father of the brotherhood of steel. Before east coast capital expedition of the brotherhood, all member of the brotherhood have to be "born" brotherhood (like you are member of the brotherhood because your father was a scribe and your mother was a paladin), it is called "brotherhood" for a reason. no one outside in the wasteland can join the brotherhood, and also in the brotherhood there is a council of elders, sort of an inner circle in the brotherhood leadership, so the actual elder on top (lets just say; arthur maxson) cannot just make a decision or doing whatever he wants without the council of elders consent and/or agreement. So yeah, if the sole survivor, a wasteland scavver with a mongrel dog becoming the elder of the brotherhood just because he/she powering up liberty prime and murdered arthur, it just dont fit in the fallout lore, fallout lore that already losing consistency by bethesda in fallout 4 that is.
I honestly didn’t know any of this! I’ve currently been playing all sides to my advantage to scour the wasteland in peace, and haven’t taken Danse anywhere because I can’t stand the sound of power armor. 😅
I've honestly loves the bos the moment I laid eyes on them in fallout 3 and I really love their lore and I love this video because I got to learn more about my favorite faction from any fallout game
I think it’s pretty cool Maxon was sent to the Citadel at an early age to squire under Elder Lyons, iirc there’s a computer terminal message where Lyons mentions him and how gifted the boy is.
All I remember is reading his stupid poetry on his terminal. And bullying him
Now that I think about it, being Elder of the Brotherhood of Steel would’ve been so cool when it came to dealing with the DLC threats
(DLC SPOILERS)
Like imagine if siding with the people of the Harbor allowed you to bring the Prydwyn or even just a small fireteam of BOS soldiers to Far Harbor and allowed you to storm Acadia and The Nucleus.
Or if in Nuka World, you could bring in the Brotherhood to help exterminate the raiders if you decide to betray the raider bosses
You can bring a fire team of brotherhood soldiers to Acadia in the base game, not the COA tho
Damn Fallout 4 is such a great game. Probably my favorite game of all time.
Yeah Fallout 3 and New Vegas had more depth and alot more character choice and wasn't based around minecraft. Fallout 4 is like one step forward and three steps back.
@@nocturnal1147 let people have fun dude, it doesn’t matter you redditor
Hey Nate just wanna day your epic and your videos cured my insomnia
(Not that they’re boring) your voice is extremely relaxing and helps me sleep
Congratulations mate hope it keeps up with you
I too listen to his vids for sleep
@@r1ch1o24 lol shit weasels what a handle
Same here! His voice is just so soothing.
I still can't forgive the Brotherhood for forgetting or ignoring the lone wanderer
that's probably because he's been dead for quite a while now
It’s been only a decade and the lone wanderer sustained a huge profit and good for the CW Bc of project purity
Maxson holds the original ideals of the founding members of The Brotherhood of Steel. He's also directly descended from one of the founding members.
Always a pleasure Master Nate!
Nate, I hope you are reading this but can't guarantee anything. A couple of months ago I started taking a liking to SCP leaving fallout and Skyrim behind, a couple a months ago I got a PC, so when I got money I bought both Fallout 3 and Fallout NV.
Also today's my birthday, thanks for uploading.
Happy birthday from a random stranger. ^.^ heres some cake 🎂
@@GlitterGothBunny thanks
Fallout 2 , fallout tactics ad fallout brotherhood of steel depicts them as a powerful faction.
Since all Bethesda Games leader positions comes down to glorified grunt work anyway I can live without being an Elder.
Danse could’ve became Elder too, so it’s not completely bad
I still feel they did my brothers dirty in this game. Because people assume BOS here are just warmongering barbarians. Look at Maxsons terminal. He specifically says the BOS is to trade technology for supplies with the locals. To avoid using force at any cost.
Probably because of their awesome armor that they're alway wearing?
@@justnoob8141 the price of being awesome
God, I always forget that Maxson's like 20 and it makes me laugh the older I get. I'm 23. Also, for a comparison in-game MacCready is 22.
Yeah that's crazy isn't it? A strong wind blows in radiation land... I'm the same age as maccready and that's trippy as hell
2:25 The authors are clearly not familiar with military history. Demoralizing soldiers is a problem that the military faced when they had to carry out morally questionable orders. For example, the Nazis over time began to significantly limit the use of military units in actions against the civilians. "Cleansing the Commonwealth" - is quite a questionable mission.
It's so frustrating to know the BOS line was so close to being potentially really great. The idea of Dance being a Synth who is loyal because has this gut feeling of hating the institute but not knowing why... If they had taken the next step with you being elder and allowed you to restore the ideals of Lyons the whole becoming elder would have been awesome. Being able to align the BOS with the Minutemen and Diamond City would have made their story SO much better.
(or hell if they were feeling particularly new vegasy maybe even a whole other very hard quest path to convince the BOS to ally with the institute since the Gen 3s resolve the whole 'insular coven reproductive problem, potentially setting the brotherhood up as major antagonists for a future game...)
I dont k ow about the mental health thing.
Change in behavior is also a good sign that the soldier in question could've been turned synth.
This priority is most likely probably just to keep tabs and weed out replaced soldiers.
The only reason I watch Nate is cause I can’t be bothered finding these secrets myself
We all know if you'd become the leader of the brotherhood it wouldn't meant anything and you'd still get bossed around by people to do all the quests
Lyons' BOS: brotherhood of hearts
Maxson's BOS: brotherhood of ENCLAVE
Tell that to the Wastelanders Lyons Paladins gun downed who were just trying to get water.
My BOS:brotherhood of blow stuff up for people trying to murder the brotherhood of steel.
"... Yes 1988" yeah mang, I played it on my Commodore 64. Pretty sure I got it on a 5 & 1/4 at fedco, but I might be misremembering.
FINALLY I'M EARLY TO ONE OF HIS VIDEOS!! *YOU ARE MY FAVORITE TH-camR!*
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@@matthewarroyo9317 Ok
There’s a mod that allows you to replace Maxson called “the Danse dilemma” but if you replace him you’ll be referred to as “knight” “paladin” or “sentinel” instead of elder. And if you have this mod you can say the railroad are “allies” and you can spare them, but I’m pretty sure they still hate you if you side with the BOS.
I wish that had originally been the fourth option for that quest, wow. It does get annoying that every faction seems to let you become leader, but that would've been a neat choice
Ah yes, he ran away from the institute to get his memory wiped by the institute to forget that he's a synth and live a human life
I watched a cut content vid yesterday and it showed a cut brotherhood of steel ending where you can actually watch maxson and danse battle to the death for the title of elder
If the cut quest for the BoS was still implemented, I think the Sole Survivor would read the old text, he would probably know about Roger Maxson given that he has military background and probably served at the same time during ancorage, he would have been probably be as good a leader as Roger Maxson though he would have some failures along the way but after he has a stable idea on how he leads he would be a better leader than elder arthur maxson. But this is all just my head cannon
Great point. I too was in the Army and know or know of every other military member that served at the same time.
I've had the mod to restore the "danse dilemma" during blind betrayal... and I felt like it was a better option than the other 3 available options we have in vanilla... but I only rarely take the position myself... I usually give it to Danse as he is an eternal embodiment of the BoS codex
Harkin was a guard at Rivit city same place Danke fist memories are from where a doctor who can do synth memory wipes and facial reconstruction lives (he is in the front that isn't connected to the rest of the ship). He (the Dr) wiped Harkins memory and remade his face so it's likely he may have done so for Danske as well
The information given in the last couple of minutes is contradictory, Harkness as head of Security in Diamond City? You meant to say: Rivet City and before that you also mention that Danse got his memory wiped by the Institute, you meant to say: Railroad.
According to Oxhorn, originally when you become Elder you can tell Captain Kells to not attack The Railroad and complys
7:55 What? I always thought they were modeled after WHK40 space marines!
Same
So synths are created to the size of adults, which makes me wonder, if Danse grew up in Rivet City, he must've had friends. I wonder if those friends remember him today.
Maxson orders you to kill Danse, one of their best and an exemplar, without a second thought, for me that's enough to know what they're about... Enough to know I prefer them to eternally eat shit and die.
And that's without pointing at all the other shit (like acting as well equipped raiders while extorting food from the locals... That's just one thing btw there's more)
Totally agree. While there's an awful lot of cool gaming to be had through the BoS questlines, I find it REALLY difficult to play, because of their "WE are the superior group and NO ONE is worthy of our assistance" attitude.
@Leon Russell Lyons' Pride - with his dedication to using the tech resources they recovered to actually HELP PEOPLE was great. Maxon's extortion of farmers and otherwise willingness to essentially kill everyone NOT BoS ... makes him very much NOT the best faction at all. To be fair, his BoS is nothing but raiders with air-support.
Ahhhh ... no.
I wouldn't say Lions prioritized charity.
He went full Captain Ahab chasing supermants, sacrificing his troops and wasting resources to try and wipe them out.
That's why Maxson had to rebuild the East Coast chapter in the first place.
They never said the brotherhood where such great targets I got 700 dog tags for sniping these tin cans
Leading any Bethesda game faction is like dealing with younger siblings, you may be " in charge" but you apparently aren't the boss of them no matter mum says before she leaves
Leader of the Companions: "Aela, stop eating those guards!"
Aela: "You're NOT my dad!"
In spite of its many flaws, i love how FO4 portrays the Brotherhood: they have finally resolved the old dispute of past entries regarding their mission and accepting outsiders, it does indeed feel like a breath of fresh air for the faction.
Seeing the Brotherhood in full power at least once is really nice, regardless of how much one symphatizes with their views.
West Coast Brotherhood: barely anyone know our location. We take technology to stop people from abusing it.
East Coast Brotherhood: *10 kilometre long airship up the Commonwealth's ass*
@@metetural9140 Also west coast brotherhood: Let's send any outsiders who want to join is into a heavily irradiated hell hole which is almost certain death for all but main characters of video games.
@@TheZombielayer hey I didn't force him to get himself killed.
Also,
East Coast Brotherhood: Hey yeah uhm GO ROB SOME FARMERS
@@metetural9140 west coast brotherhood: yeah let's slowly die out for security sake in spite that the NCR has known our main base location for literal centuries and has named A WHOLE state in its honor.
Also West Coast Brotherhood: let's send some of our least reliable members to scavenge for supplie because we can't spare a few soldiers for a puny raiding expedition against our overstretched enemy.
Oh and please may our entire history arc never stop being about us not accepting change, in spite that Fallout 1 ended with us opening up.
@@ramiromen6595 east coast Brotherhood: yeah let's quickly die from supermutants, ghouls, synths, radiation, the Enclave and the minutemen and Railroad because robots bad also let's use a robot that can easily be hacked by the other robots to kill those robots!
I think I know why they scraped the idea of you being the elder. I think that they didnt want the railroad to be the only faction that you couldn't be the leader
I think one of the reasons they cut that BoS quest is that it would retroactively make the New Vegas BoS questline a plot hole, since that in that game one of the Paladins want to replace the Elder and there is no option to just challenge him to a duel, you actually have to dig up some obscure BoS rule about the chain of command to get him deposed.
Thanks again Nate for curing my daily dose of boredom and depression. Your channel really means alot to me, along with plenty others in this comment section!!!
Have a hug and some cookies from a random weirdo. :) Hope your weekend is nice.
Hello, I'm here to tally up the latest "Preston Garvey" jokes?....
Sorry, But another settlement needed my help. Oh yeah, another settlement needs your help too.
Don't know if you already knew this but incase you didn't it might be something you should bring up in a video some time. So apparently if you kill the remaining shattershield daughter in the skyrim dark brotherhood quest that sends you to kill the bandit leader who robbed the shattershields, the mother will commit suicid. Only discovered this recently because I did the blood on the ice quest second and needed her key.
10:32 Imagine this guys knocking on your door yelling FIB open up
I love the brotherhood so much.
Thank you for making awesome content Nate!
Keep up the awesome work :)
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You can't kill Arthur because Danse will turn hostile and attack you. (Even leaving the area and coming back later, Danse will always be hostile.)
#1 that's pragmatism rather than kindness and caring. He doesn't care about his troops well being for goodness sakes, just their ability to perform which means getting mental help so they are at peak efficiency. Being willing to kill them if they do not toe the line as he demands shows he doesn't really care about them.
the bos is the best and only way to safe the land
Ive always seen the Brotherhood like the tech priests of 40K. They revere technology, collect it but dont really want to advance or improve on it too much out of fear.
An interesting aspect of what might've been the original vision for the Brotherhood is that they may not have been intended to have such a long stay in the narrative as they've had. The western canon definitely shows them paying the consequences for never allowing outsiders into their cause by the time New Vegas happens, as the New California Republic overpowered them at HELIOS One simply by outnumbering them, forcing what was left of the Mojave chapter into hiding. Given how often the Brotherhood pits itself against other factions and their strict anti-outsider policy, their days are numbered. I figure the East Coast only got as strong as it was because of Lyons' more lenient leadership before Maxson took over.
The biggest evidence of Dance being an escaped synth as when doing the institute story line Danse helps defend the airport and fights against the institute. Why not activate him if he was on the institute side?
The brotherhood is the secondary villain in fallout 4.