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Brotherhood takes food from Settlers, no big deal. Someone takes food from Brotherhood and everyone loses their minds!
FUmarc .EVIDENCE. show me a source where the BOS actively raid settlements without it being a player choice.
The Eternal Chronicler Porter Gage is quoted of saying that the brotherhood is no better than the raiders, they're just organized and better equipped and trained. So yes, they do extort food from settlements
MrRyeRob1 oh so we should take anything a raider says as gospel. No they don't I've played fallout 4, 4 times and in everyone of those times I never saw an instance where the BOS raided settlements unless the player choose to be apart of a most likely unsanctioned operation.
You realize those quest are unsactioned right? And that you're the one deciding how to go about obtainig the crops? Feeding the trops it's is classified as a tertiary quest/Radiant quest and a optional quest and not a main quest or side quest it no impact on the Storyline (BOS Storyline) You Who choose to do the quest, the deal is very simple the farmers give some crops to the brotherhood of steel and the brotherhood od steel protect them from Raiders, Gunners, Super mutants and Rust Devils "Food For Protection" You can buy the crops or You can persuade them. Doesn't matter because the quests are unsactioned, do you know what that Word means?
The correct statement is "The Player voluntarily takes food from Settlers, and Oxhorn loses his mind with PTSD nonsense."
“ I killed them, I killed them all “ ..... “ I slaughtered them like animals “
Clark is Anakin Skywalker
You are on this Brotherhood, but we do not grant you the rank of Knight.
Not just the men, but the women and children too.
I HATE THEM.
"You are a traitor to the cause. Your punishment is Sand."
I don’t like sand, it’s course rough uncomfortable. And it gets everywhere
Here Lucy I brought you some flowers
If you betray the Brotherhood and later assault the police station with the Railroad, you can release Clark. He'll ask why you're doing it but still, he'll run away.
@@mczenk5095 wow ok
Never knew that. Of all the missed opportunities im this game, they chose to put that in. Jeez.
Whoah
Did you know that there's gay black sex memes on discord and they are funny as fuck
Who would wanna free someone that sympathizes with Zombies
I love how he’s conducting a serious military investigation while a fucking maniac in a bear mask is wandering around
you're talking about Bosco right or cait wearing a bear mask
Lmfao.
I love how if you do this quest with Danse and when Gavil tries to be sassy with you, Danse will stick up for you and say "Watch your tone Sargent". Putting Gavil right in his place.
I like the "Thats war." answer. Cause war, war never changes...
Noah The Texan lol
true my nigga true my nigga
why does clarke's defense of the ferals sound sort of like Anakin Skywalker exclaiming that he killed the sand people?
Anakin: "They where AMINIMALS! So I slaughtered them like aminimals.
Clarke: They where running away. Why did they have to die? We slaughtered them. Like aminimals.
Lol facepalm
+Poofbomb - Minecraft & More! MY GOD WHY DIDN'T I NOTICED THAT?!
when i played this quest, it reminded me of that girl in the walking dead that was feeding the walkers because she thought they were her friends
Chalie MarshaII same
Chalie MarshaII *shoots one* "what was that ones name?"
Look at the flowers, Clarke
FlyingPaladin haha lol twd
Samee
Feral ghouls have lost all humanity inside them, I prefer to put them down just to end their suffering, I'm pretty sure when they were human they did not want to be brainless flesh eating beings :)
thegamewarfareproject It's just like walkers from the Walking Dead.
"I don't want to turn into one of those things. You have to shot me in the head."
Exactly
Solo I killed them for fun cuz why..? Well they scared the shit out of me when in darkness
With that same logic, I'm suffering and no one decides to put me down.... Just sayin...
I would feel compassion, but when something tries to claw my face off at that point it is either them or me and I choose me. I understand that normal Ghouls are people but ferals are not. I use ferals and zombie interchangeably.
sympathizing normal ghouls is totally understandable.
feral ghouls? That's just down right stupid
Your not a super mutant
@@tararitter6163 but are you Dutch and is Amsterdam your soul? Lol
let me just say, if Gavil talked like that to any superior officer in the real military, he would not like the consequences in the slightest
I hate how him and rhys are dicks for no reason
Andres Lopez Forreal smh
they are brotherhood and brotherhood are dicks.
Gavil is a Knight-sergeant. So he does outrank you i think. This why you have Paladin Danse with you. As he reminds Gavil to watch his tone. Unless you start the quest as a Paladin or sentiel. In which case. Why can't we slap him ?
Honestly, i hate this part off BoS quests.
You are Sentinel, second in comand, and they still act like dicks
I mean I get that he had a ghoul friend but... They are feral. It's sad and all but they aren't people anymore. I think putting them down is the most merciful thing to do. They aren't like Zombies who die and come back. They are humans who are almost trapped in that body... that's how I see it anyway.
Killing them is really the humane thing to do. They'll never get better, they can't be cured, they'll simply be feral until they slowly rot to pieces.
Agreed, killing them is a kindness, I know I wouldn't want to become something like that, little more than an animal, hurting people even though I can't help it.
There is a dead NPC in Nuka World who ended her own life to save herself from that fate.
Damn...it really sucks if you think about it lol
***** There's evidence from previous games that mental capacity does degrade. They really are little better than zombies.
***** Tis a sad fate indeed.
As I said, it's a kindness to end their suffering.
I think everyting in the brain except the cerebellum rots away, leaving only instinct and basic motor function.
"I stand for myself. And I won't stand down."
-The one good thing about Clark's character
Until his last stand ends in two seconds. I try to spare him. Yet everytime he says he'll turn himself in. He walks up to me turns hostile and attacks.
" I stand for myself"
Not a team player at all. Quite selfish.
And therefore not military material.
In the military it's we not me. Something outside of ourselves.
I may fall but I do not die.
Our words and deeds are passed on in others.
Another will be there to pass the torch.
Initiate Clarke has this individualism within him. He has no higher purpose outside himself.
Maybe he joined for the wrong reasons.
He's not really BOS material. He lacks the Steel.
@@robertpatter5509, the army is not a religious cult. The orders must be executed, but the absurd ones must be reported to the higher courts, in no case carried out without thinking. I am ex-military and I speak from experience.
*"He Deserves A Fair Trial"* Yeah Like You Gave Danse?!
CadentClock39 Clarke aided the enemy, while Danse "was" the enemy.
+Erebos, God of Nerds Danse was only considered the enemy because of what he was, not because of anything he had done. Why the Brotherhood really needs to be rid of Elder Maxson.
Well Danse fled. After that he was a fugitive
Saab Rider He fled because he knew how the Brotherhood would have treated him had he stayed. You’d do the same.
Erebos, God of Nerds If you aid the enemy then you’re a traitor. That’s kinda how it works with military groups.
There was one kind of behavior described about these 'feral' ghouls that made this quest a really hard decision to keep siding with the Brotherhood (in the same vein as strongarming poor settlers for food).
Not once in the game have I encountered feral ghouls retreating. Retreating implies more than responding on basic hunger (which ghouls do). Which means that the ghouls at the Boston Airport might actually not have gone feral completely (or at least not all ghouls there were feral).
Stealing food from settlers is entirely the player's choice. You have the option of persuading or purchasing the food too. Don't blame the Brotherhood for your own incompetence.
I have encountered ferals retreating from me before, they would run away then regroup and come back at me. Also they would still be feral as they would have the pack mentality, and sometimes the pack mentality is to retreat, regroup, and go again.
"Persuading" is just a euphemism for "Threaten" in this context. Even if
you take the nice guy option of acting like it's "tribute for
protecting you", that's just the same line common gangsters use.
Purchasing the food is only avaliable as a last resort, and it's the Sole Survivor's last resort, not an official way to go about the mission. Teagan doesn't even mention it as an option IIRC, it's effectively a failure state for the dialogue check.
Is it the player's choice? Sure. With The Institute it's also the player's choice to handle one particular synth recovery operation differently, but that has no effect on the mission's implications on synth recovery operations. The BoS mission makes it clear that the BoS take food from farms by threats/force, just like the Institute mission I mentioned makes it clear the Institute recover synths against their will. Just because the Sole Survivor can refuse to do the same does not negate the existence of hundreds of BoS soldiers who do it themselves and the BoS higher-ups who are completely complacent with their behaviour. Player's choice =/= faction's choice.
DarthVaderReviews The "nice guy option" IS to purchase the food. Everything else is being a dick, or a murderer. Whatever your opinion about the BoS, they do have humanity's best interests at heart: Preventing technology from destroying the world again.
Sure, it is the nice guy option, but it's not the BoS option. The point I was making as that just because YOU can sidestep having to commit immoral actions for the BoS doesn't negate the fact the BoS asked you to do those immoral actions (Just because Deagan didn't directly say "Take it by threats or by force" does not mean that's not what he was heavily implying). My point was mostly that the player choice in that scenario has no bearing on the BoS's morality.
And sure, they do have humanity's best interests at heart, but you were the one who in a different comment said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I have no doubt Maxon has 100% conviction to the Brotherhood's ideals and legitimately believes he is doing the best thing for humanity in the long run.
The problem is that Maxon's version of Brotherhood ideals are not the best thing for humanity IMO, (There are Gen 3 Synths, Ghouls and even some Super Mutants who are not threats, exterminating them would simply be murder and would actually hurt humanity's chances in the long run) and even if they were it doesn't justify threatening settlers with force if they're not willing to pay their protection money.
Brotherhood of Steel in general, I kinda like. They've changed from iteration to iteration, some I can get behind more than others, but I overall think the Wasteland could use a group that keeps tabs on potentially world-shattering pre-war tech and makes sure the wrong stuff doesn't fall into the wrong hands. Maxon's BoS, however, raid innocent settlements for food, and murder innocents because of "What they represent" rather than who they are, which is why I refuse to side with Maxon's BoS.
"Only Rations, Its Curious" Indeed Tuvok.
That's were I recognized his voice from!
He was in Dragon Age as well. Tim Russ certainly has a prolific career.
I'm glad i'm not the only one to notice!!
I bet it was coffee rations...
earl gray tea? Tuvok have you been raiding the commissary again?!
Gavil needs to watch his damn tone around a Sentinel
Antilles Gaming U need to watch urs to an elder
BoS is all bs and filled with PoS
Ryan
Penis of Steel?
@@calvincubernsneakerhead7554 yeahhh boi that penis of steel makes me side with the bos every time yo
Basically, the guy was suffering from PTSD. And like WW1 Generals the BoS don't understand, or care about, combat fatigue. I helped him out by getting him to turn himself in. I'll have to explore the ruins further as I didn't during that play.
Having him turn himself gets the best reward
Yeah, I executed him.
Yeah I had really hoped for an option that would take his clear trauma into account. Unfortunately that simply isn't an option.
It might not even be ptsd. As Clark said it ghouls were human once. Even though they are feral. He can't think of them as mindless zombies. Or as some kind of sub human creature. He still sees humanity in them.
It sounds idealistic but, other people might think so too. Piper alludes to this in some dialogue. I wiped out feral ghouls for a minutemen quest. She says something like there's nothing left of the person they used to be. As if she's saying don't feel bad for killing them. Not that there's really an option it's you or them.
@@kalen2465 it was definitely ptsd
The way clark talks sounds like anakin after he killed all the sand people
We lost the most valuable part of our cause the....... Mac n’ cheese
Him furiously saying “Mac n cheese!” killed me
Phattkiddo Eatpant it’s the most important item!
Forget securing the mark 28s WE NEED TO FIND THE MAC & CHEESE!
Its tasty asf so of course it's the most important thing.
NOT THE MAC N CHEESE
It might seem callous, but I really didn't take any issue with killing Clarke. Anyone who views feral ghouls as people is just too far gone.
With that said, I find the idea of killing nonferal ghouls without good reason to be evil.
He had good intentions though. He doesnt deserve to die for that.
How many atrocities are committed with good intentions?
Randall Ketchum who knows? But if they had good attentions and didnt intend for anything bad to happen. Then the atrocities are only mistakes and not done on purpose. No one deserves punishment for stuff that happens out of thier control. Plus dude, atrocities happen no matter what.
His actions led to the death of at least one other person, and honestly the ferals deserve to be put out of their misery. Plus there is an old saying, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I would have liked an option that would convince him he was being silly for feeding the ghouls, tell him to take what supplies he has left backup, then create a story about how the Food Supplies were mislabeled or misplaced and that we've recovered most of it. giving Clark a Redemption moment, well not getting him killed for just doing something stupid.
I say convince him to go in the room and kill all the feral ghouls as a way to atone for his utter stupidity.
Yeah
love that "a lifetime supply of cram" XD the irony in his voice is funny.
I have to admit seeing Cait in a bear head whacking things made me laugh.
Gee, Cait really dislikes every decision you make if it involved not killing someone. That girl is nasty...
yep
Marios Moukakos Cait is the worst by far, X6-88 doesn't care what you do as long as it benefits the institute, strong likes helping people but only if it involves fighting and killing. Cait just wants to watch the world burn
lol
She's soulless
:/
It's treason, then
He's betrayed the senate and the court, he's too dangerous to be left alive!
Curtis Olsen I am the senate
Coockio I am the court
you think you can take me? I'M HOODOO BROWN!
By order of the Commonwealth Senate, you are under arrest for treason.
So here's a thing: if you do this quest while you're still in good standing with the Brotherhood, but later side with the Railroad, you can interact with Clarke a bit more. During the Institute's attack on the Cambridge Police Station, you can let Clarke out of his cell.
He might have been in early stages of PTSD, He had a best friend that was like that. Maybe he had to to put his friend down to be apart of the brother hood and taking over the airport opened a bad case of the "what if's"
I finished that mission just a while ago. Couldn't bring myself to turn clarke in. The boy was clearly in shock after his first combat mission, and i doubt the brotherhood even knows that psychology is a thing. To me, letting the guy go was the best option: the thefts would stop now that clarke was gone, and my concience is clear since i did not let a very confused and traumatized kid get executed.
Cait disliked this video.
Cait basically dislikes any option that avoids killing things.
Yeah she disliked Oxhorn
Strong dislikes this. What? I'm picking a damn lock.
Piper liked that.
Cait disliked your comment about her dislike.
I didn't even know that the other paths locked off the armor. My gut reaction is "you broke the rules, now face the consequences."
Captain kells voice is the same actor who plays commander tuvok in star trek voyager.
Is that you Mike Stoklasa?
Curtis Olsen umm what?
pryt86 I was thinking this myself actually. If it isn't it sure as heck sounds like him.
Indeed. www.behindthevoiceactors.com/video-games/Fallout-4/Lancer-Captain-Kells/
core unit It's 100 percent him
I empathize with Clarke over the fact he sees ghouls as humans, at least to some degree. Non-ferals are fine in my book, while ferals were once human and deserve some degree of respect but need to but killed before they kill somebody else. If it wasn't for the state of the society and limited supplies I would be for trying to capture and researching a cure but at the current state of the world you have to hunt them down even if they run because they're not going to rethink their life and not attack people anymore like a sane human could but will kill whenever they get a chance. And I have to say, hearing people having fun killing them is a bit depressing, but if you don't dehumanize them what will be left of you after a year of hunting them out of a necessity ?
Nevertheless telling him to turn in is the only right choice for me, wish we could take part in his trial and perhaps speak in his favor or against him.
SinnerBeta
feeding feral like they where dogs is inhumane.
the right thing to do is to end their suffering and bury (or burn) their bodies.
not only is Clarke stealing from the BoS he is stealing from the settlers, making their lives harder so he can feed ferals, who no longer have any empathy or human characteristics. those poor settlers are going to be bullied by the BoS to give them MORE food that they dont have just so Clarke can feed ghouls? no he deserves incarceration, then set "free" in a den full of feral ghouls with nothing but a box of food. see how much of them are still human.
SinnerBeta Perhaps a "cure the ghouls" dlc is needed. That would be neat.
it wouldnt be cannon to the fallout universe as Ghoulification is incurable.
Ghouls cant be
cured their brain have been melted burned turned to mush
Poor guy just wanted to look after his friend. good but slightly delusional.
Also ghouls don't even need to eat or drink
YR TX they don’t eat or drink much but they still need to eat. They’ve been seen eaten corpses(in my experience at least
@@iloveowls90 Exactly, you can find one feasting in a hut near Finch if you use TFC, but also consider the boy in the fridege it might as well as a instinct rather than a necessity
Because food tastes good?
Wow, Star Wars Prequel references in Fallout! His dialogue about slaughtering the ghouls was almost certainly directly referencing Anakin's confession about his slaughter of Sand People like animals. Awesome!
I feel like Kells has too many pockets, who has that many pockets?
that's pretty typical for a military uniform. they would be used to keep ammunition in them in- this case it would be lazer batteries- but when I had to do sentry duty my vest would come with at least 4 pocket holders to keep rifle magazines in, so I wouldn't say that all those pockets would necessarily be impractical- I mean he's overdoing it a bit, but what do you expect from a brotherhood of steel member?
I expect them to wear nothing but a ball gown and still be able to carry 700 kg
Can never have enough pockets.
Got to keep sandwiches somewhere
Having lots of pockets is just being prepared. It's just the LOGICAL thing to do 😉.
In my honest opinion, saying 'But they used to be people!' when told that they're feral, makes as much sense as saying a murderer shouldn't be punished because "Hey! Before he killed someone, he wasn't a murderer!"
I really love your channel man, you take every aspect of the enviornment, their pattern of speech, and even the way skeletons are laid down. Wish you did these with previous games, nice channel dude.
I did this quest just today. I killed the ghouls, convinced Clarke to let the ghouls die by showing him the Holotag and proving they were a threat, then convinced Captain kell that it was the ghouls that took the food. Thing that confused me was that in your video he didn't believe you, but for me when I insisted that the ghouls stole the food he was convinced and said that he would send people to go and finish off the ghouls and the dialogue ended.
When I first heard this, I actually started to get nervous, since I had JUST come back from looting that entire area.
Clarke is misguided in seeing humanity in the ferals, but his heart is in the right place and the instinct to value human life even in your enemy is good. Ferals may sadly be beyond saving, but regular ghouls are people as worthy of empathy as any regular human, and Clarke's recognizing that the Brotherhood of Steel is wrong about them speaks well for his character. I convinced Clarke to leave the Brotherhood, and told Kells that it was all a mistake after all, pleased that I'd at least managed to get 1 decent person away from those hate-mongering zealots.
Based
if you consider the BoS hate mongering zealots why did you join them?
@@Riggy1991 It's not made apparent how far the East Coast BoS have fallen until later in the game, once they've arrived in the Commonwealth in force and you have a chance to interact with them and see their priorities. Like most players, my first run-in with the order was Danse and his scouting party, and with memories of the way Lyons kept the East Coast chapter of the BoS in Fallout 3 true to the intent of the BoS charter rather than its letter, I assumed the BoS was still a force for good and had Danse induct Nora into its ranks. It's not until later in the game, well past the initial chance to join the BoS through Danse's invitation, that it becomes clear that they've been corrupted by the foolish mentality that's destroying the West Coast BoS and that spawned the ineffectual Outcasts in Fallout 3.
its seems like he was struggling with ptsd from when they first cleared the airport and you can bet the brotherhood doesn't give a Damn about ptsd
When I did this mission, my power armour had the Tesla Coils module installed. It's a very good offensive upgrade in a normal playthrough, I had an overabundance of fusion cores that offset the power consumption of the coils.
I intended for Clarke to turn himself in, but after that dialogue he must have a tag necessary to trigger the coils, damaging him and making him confrontational. I had to walk past him to get to the elevator, and the coils triggered.
I feel like getting him to turn himself in is the best moral option, but that was locked out for me because of a combination of game code and my choices.
Would be interesting if you could say something like "Okay Initiate, lets test your theory" And lock him in with the ferals and say "Okay so rationalise with feral ghouls" I bet then he'd know the difference between normal ghouls and feral ones XD
TotalWar01 (In a very loud and Happy voice) cue the scene where Clark in torn apart by his "friends"
Yoro Tassaumee i using console and get him inside with his "friends", he lasted 3s
"Okay initiate, if what you believe is true, then why are you up here and not down there with them?"
@@SvendleBerries lol
Grape Mentats has worn off.
XD
Tuvok is always concerned about security
Interesting how all the conversations are different when you do this quest as a Sentinel, most people do this quest as a Knight as it's the first real sidequest for the Brotherhood after The Lost Patrol.
It's nice they included almost an entirely different script for a post-game version, where all the Knights and Sergeant Gavil address you by "sir" and almost seem shocked that you would personally investigate, almost like you are just as important and unexpected as Maxon himself.
Although it's weird that Captain Kells still talks to you like a common wastelander, I thought he had more respect for the player after they defeat the Institute.
I'm so glad to see that Tuvok finally got promoted!;)
Meloncolliepoet do you know who really deserves a promotion? Harry Kim. Picard would have promoted him.
Sadly he just paled in comparison to Tuvix, the man his captain murdered
That one line from Lucia about the ferals.... The one about "We hunted the ones that tried to run." Always bothered me. Ferals don't run away. There were ghouls hidden among the ferals, likely using them for protection, when the Brotherhood arrived, and wiped them out.
My first character got to "Blind betrayal" before I realised the BoS were the wrong fit for me, that these were not the same BoS my Lone Wanderer had been proud to ally with and I deleted her and started over. But with that character I did do this quest and my choice was to convince the Initiate to turn himself in while I killed the ghouls.
There is another way actually! If you give him the holotag and then tell him you won't tell anyone, he leaves. You can then kill the ghouls. Reporting back you can lie that the ghouls stole the rations and you took care of them. You get the caps as usual and Clarke will at first respond "You betrayed them... I don't understand..." And afterwards he will just tell you to go away.
I like the amount of detail you go into with these, it's actually pretty crazy some of the story stuff I've overlooked while playing :D
Deacon likes it when u empathize w/ Clarke and also likes u promising to cover for him. This supports your theory that Deacon was once a ghoul himself.
I made the mistake of having Hancock as my companion.
Bryan Olson rip
What happened?
@Winter Wolf thats kinda awesome they added that in to his dialogue though!
@Winter Wolf He didn't say anything when I had him with me.
The best way to incapacitate ghouls is to take out the legs, sometimes they don't even crawl towards you.
I can't take a soldier saying Mac and Cheese like that seriously
I love the sound of freedom (Liberty Prime) stomping in the background
Shame you can't convince him to join the Minutemen, the actual army worth fighting with.
ThatOneRedGuy another settlement needs your help.
ThatOneRedGuy
the same people who got thrown out of their own fortress by a bunch of fat crabs?
Jackretto with a tough queen crab that's a bitch to kill unless you have "good stuff"
Ambrosio Gonzalez
is a window and tap mines "good stuff"?
Jackretto a couple of mini nukes should do.Too bad the original General locked the armory.
6:05 Just a casual bear headed person walking by, nothing to see here.
Hey oxforn I've seen all your videos lol. Makes me want to replay fallout 4, I missed so much
RedKnight
I felt the same, got it new at gamestop for 20 bucks, pc version, and I played it for a while, but this guy just has a way of storytelling and I rather watch him play the game and talk then me play the game lol.
It's always nice to watch videos from this channel, Oxhorn seems to do his research before he makes these videos, or at least, he knows the Fallout lore very indepth, it's wonderful to be able to look up an Oxhorn video for almost every question I have over the lore-driven aspects of the game. 10/10 for being thorough and for the professional-like narration skills!
A great MOD quest would be to develop a CURE for ghoul-ism.
'Cause for the Cure' and you will have to find Curie the robot to help you develop the Restoration ammo.
Put the new ammo into a Syringer gun and once shot into any feral ghoul, they fall asleep for 10 seconds, are cured, and stand back up as a healed healthy smoothskin settler. Glowing ghouls stand up as sane sentient ghouls. They will thank you and say the nightmare is finally over. You can then send them to the settlements of your choice, to join your population. The formerly glowing ghouls may comment they feel so much weaker now, and say they may no longer be immortals, but it's good to be able to think and talk again.
Curie will give you high Karma points for taking the quest, finding the cure, and for each ghoul you cure.
Saving the longest surviors in the wasteland, instead of slaughtering them all.
This would also give you a chance to cure The Old Gang of your named ghoul neighbors.
Solving the Duty or Dishonored quest would launch the Cause for the Cure Quest. Once both are completed,
a third quest would begin ''No One Left Behind'' where Curie suggests the Restoration ammo may even work on a perfectly preserved dead body. The Sole Survivor returns to Vault 111 with Curie,
and opening all the frozen corpses pods, Curie revives them... but they will only want to settle in Sanctuary.
Their old home town. Concluding the quest with all pods empty and the occupants as normal settlers.
Solving this quest would require fetching some new hidden tech items from the various tech and space program locations, allowing the player to repair the pods, opening them and reviving the frozen occupants. Sadly, Curie will comment she can not help the dead spouse, as she was murdered violently, and thus was not perfectly preserved.
SeaJay Oceans that is a good Idea but i dont think someone dead of asphyxia has a perfectly preserved body . I mean yes its kinda good looking from the outside but the organs should have gone like WTF where is oxygen and wasted the
Unless the cryo thing prevented that
If you have Danse with you, he puts a check on the Knight-Sergeant's attitude right quick in a hurry, as well he should. Dude is being borderline insubordinate.
"I killed them, I killed them all....we slaughtered them like animals."
Someone sounds a bit too much like Anakin smh
He doesnt like sans either, it’s coarse, rough, and it gets everywhere.
You can also promise to cover up for Clarke, and tell Kells that it was Raiders who stole the food.
I have him alive and sitting in the depot with Gavil and Lucia.
"I killed them, I killed them all" "I slaughtered them like animals"
Sounds like Star Wars :-P
Not sure if I ever did this storyline... I feel like I would've recognized Tuvok's voice before if I had, but it really caught me off guard right now suddenly hearing it in this video.
This quest, more than any other Brotherhood Of Steel quests, defines what is their glaring weakness.
Intolerance.
Are feral ghouls a threat? Obviously. Was initiate Clarke wrong? Perhaps. But the Brotherhood does not have this discussion. They dictate. They dictate that there is no mercy for ghouls. But worse, they dictate that there is no place amongst them for people like Clarke, people who do not fall in step with their doctrine, who are not just a cog in a machine led by one man.
Forget the morality of that for one moment, forget the history of one man having a army zealously loyal to him and him alone, and look at the weakness. Clarke is obviously capable. He did fight, he is trained. He snuck past patrols, successfully and non violently dealt with ghouls. This kind of man would make a superb scout.
But instead, he is locked up after a one sided trial, or outright killed without any trial at all.
By clinging to rigid doctrine, the Brotherhood clings to fundamental weakness, a weakness no other faction in the game holds.
I think covering for Clarke but informing Kells of the Ghoul nest is the best solution. Clarke gets to return to his normal life (since no doubt he would be punished far too harshly by Maxson if ratted out) but the Ghoul problem is dealt with regardless with Kells sending a team to exterminate them afterwards.
Can confirm also that the area is cleared of Ghouls after choosing this option, I went back sometime later and it was empty.
lets just say im wearing that special t60
Cpt Bob KSP guy! Yay!
In my playthrough, Lucia told me straightaway to watch Clarke. Just like Blair said in John Carpenter's The Thing: "Watch Clarke!"
Bright in New Vegas took Ferals with him when he left with his followers. He understood they were dangerous and didn't freak out if you killed any, and ALSO took the ones he could with him. Ferals seem peaceful among other Ghouls. There IS another solution to wanton slaughter promoted by the Brotherhood (keep in mind, they hate non-Feral ghouls, too). I wish this was more explored in Fallout 4. I totally empathize with Clark here, and I also agree it was rather misguided for him to keep the Ferals around.
I was quite overjoyed to have discovered this mission for the first time. I spared Clarke and allowed him to keep feeding the ferals. Felt like this is something I asked, someone being sympathetic to the ferals. Ghouls are victims of Radiation, it's not their fault they go Feral.
That said I'm still supporting the Brotherhood. As Victoriam.
Ad Victorian
My BoS character told him to turn himself in but failed the speech check. He turned on me when I opened the door to the ghouls, so Danse and I put him down.
No regret. I wanted his black uniform.
Danse is a walking bullet sponge lmao. having him as a companion is almost cheaty. I had a situation where (after blind betrayal) he pulled out my nuka nuke launcher I had given him while I was carrying junk (Also gave him two nuka nukes, as we were walking through bloodworm territory [I abhor those things.] a few minutes before. we had just entered the commonwealth again, and were walking toward my base at Starlight.) and hit a vertibird pilot in the left nut (no joke, through a hole in the glass of the front window and right between the legs.) from probably 300 feet.
The TH-cam Phantom Official OOF
@@lsswappedcessna This story is gold. Highlight of my day. I can just imagine a player lugging all of their loot back over the map border only for Danse to randomly stop next to them and shoot a vertibird out of the sky, lmao. Hilarious and impressive all at once.
@@HauntBunny Yeah, granted vertibirds fall apart like wet papier-mâché.
When I did this quest, I passed the speech check the first two times, but angered him by trying to do the optional part. I reloaded both times, and the 3rd time failed the speech check. I also tried to stealth all the gouls, and in the parking garage part, after I killed all the gouls, the glowing one revived them ALL, making everything for nothing. But I successfully did stealth first try, so not all was bad
Just did this quest last weekend.
I decided to let him turn himself in.
He had good intentions but his actions were wrong. He has to be punished for stealing the rations.
If Bethesda would've leaved the 4th resolutuion to Blind Betrayal inside the game, I would have demoted him and set him up to cleaning duty with the ability to regain his trust.
umm you can't demote him he is a initiate the lowest rank in the Brotherhood
Kick him out. He would become a civilian janitor, with the option to rejoin the proper military once he has served his time.
I I can't demote him, I'd create an additional rank just for his case.
You know if it were sapient ghouls I'd get it. But ferals are long gone and we can't do anything to get them back. Practically speaking it would be the same as if you were doing that to keep rat roaches fed.
Oxhorn, there is technically a 4th way with Initiate Clarke, you mentioned about lying to Captain Kells, you can tell him that Clarke has fled (if you convince Clarke to leave that is). I suppose that's the option you'd choose if you saw reason in him trying to stop the Feral Ghouls but... Meh.
You can also cover up for Clarke by telling Kells it was Raiders and he'll stay in the depot with Gavil and Lucia. He missed TWO outcomes in total.
I love your vids, man. I’m a late bloomer in most all things, and have just started playing PS4 for the first time, Fallout 4 being the first. I appreciate how thorough you are in all options. It’s very helpful.
Wow, Tim Russ is doing voice work in fallout, great choice for Kells.
--Rick
*takes one stimpack*
(very next day)
Kells: I've received reports that supplies have been disappearing from our supply depot at the airport. I suspect this may be an inside job.
In my game the lie worked on the Captain maybe your character just had terrible lying abilities.
Blaine Cook ? I don’t really know why
Blaine Cook did I offend you some how it’s just a dumb comment no need to get worked up over it.
So what would happen if you used the console commands to clear our the ghouls before you speak to the initiate? Would they reappear, would he turn hostile, or would he still talk as though they were there?
Oh wow never new how big the airport actually was with the whole underground part. Always figured it was just the top building & was kind of disappointed by it since it would have to serve a major city. Guess now it makes sense
Another food crate needs your help, I'll mark it on your map.
17:13, I SLAUGHTERED THEM LIKE ANIMALS, I HATE THEM
Do you like roblox?
Codsworth has a companion comment in those ruins that (IMO) shows the adorable little tin can has emotions and can think. Also it implies that he isn't as new as we're led to believe.
I don't give a toss about Synths' rights, but if anyone hurts my Codsie, they're for it!
Hey there Oxhorn. Quick question to get off my chest: What do you think about the NCR faction in Fallout New Vegas?
commentcrafter76 I'd love videos about New Vegas from Oxhorn's perspective!
Oh yes please. That would be absolutely awesome. There is a sizeable chunk of Lore i oversee all the time and Ox's videos helped me greatly in finding them. That in New Vegas as well and my Fallout experience would be complete
yes i'm adding my vote to that new vegas lore PLZ!!!
Oxhorn: Why The New California Republic Is Evil
Me: "For The Republic"
Ivan Florêncio
The NCR are alright they are technically a nation but still has issues with its foundation but core beliefs are benevolent the problem is there structure. Thats how I see the NCR
Interesting I always figured that ghouls could be re-civilized from feral very interesting indeed
Lucia and Clarke? That’s sounds like Louis and Clark
Great video, and great quest! So a few different things happen with Clarke, I've found: In my RR playthrough, I simply told him to run. I liked his ethics, and I was gonna take down the BoS anyway. When I came back after the Prydwen went down, he was standing in the middle of the airport wreckage, panicked and saying, "I can do this, I can do this..." For my Institute playthrough, I convinced him to turn himself in and I never checked on him in jail. But Elder Maxson must've given him his old job back because I ran into him when it came time to turn against the BoS(you can tell I'm not into them.)
All I wanna know is why does your Boston Airport have zeppelin ruins on it..
Irradiated space hamsters?
You should know that from the illuminati. Its obvious that your apart of them from your profile picture
The character at the end was his institue character
I would have liked the option to lie and say that he had captured the feral ghouls for further study in order to someday find a cure or treatment to able aid future Brotherhood members.
*Dilapidated*
...this has been driving me crazy...
2:06 yeah me to. Dilapitated.
And me! if he'd have said "run down" I would've watched the whole video.
Can I just say that Tim Russ's voice (Tuvok from ST: Voyager) as Kells is just freaking awesome?
You put Rhys in custody, I didn't because...
He is a good source of caps and xp
I got clark to turn himself in, I can understand him not wanting to chase down ferrals that are running away but if the brother hood had not pursued the fleeing ghouls then they likely would have (as the case is in most of fallout lore) descended on some poor unprepared settlement
interesting Quest and that's a tough decision to make I think and it should have had a good intentions and he want to do that right I can't fault him for that but feral ghouls aren't even considered Human by ghouls so what he was doing was wrong his heart was in the right place but overall was a very dumb and dangerous thing you did that did get someone else killed so I do think he should be held responsible for stealing supplies and getting someone else killed but overall don't think he was a criminal I think he was just trying to do the right thing in his mind at least try to do it right it was the right way to do so
the Boston airport is actually named Logan international airport and has a total of four airport terminals. as weird as it may sound but the airport code for Logan is bos.
May I ask you a weird question. How do you keep finding all thesis backdoor or secret ways or glitches for Fallout 4?? I mean you don't just jump around too find thesis area's you keep showing us do you? There has to be some kinda trick to find thesis area's like you do .....
Console command to allow free roaming camera is the likely answer.
Kjell Bjorge I know this is way later than you posting this, but... When doing a presentation of any kind, it is proper to do as thorough of research as possible. He probably uses a combination of scouring the internet for leads and thorough exploration. Many people will take his words for gospel without so much as a second thought, so he has to be as accurate as possible.
This reminds me of Bloodborne. In the ruins of an area known as Old Yharnam. The district is burning, thanks to the plauge, a central theme in the game. Wen you first get through the area, there is a message warning hunters, which your character is, to stay out. Of you continue, a man known as Durja will commend your efforts on reaching the area, but that he has to stop you. He fires at you with a gatling gun mounted to a central tower, and also throws Moltovs down at you.
If you climb up to the tower, going through a different path, such as the exit that leads through Hypergoal Gaol, he won't be hostile. There, you can talk to him.
Durja explains that the beasts in Old Yharnam can't hurt anyone, as the town is abandoned. The frequent bonfires keep the monsters from leaving. Durja, like you, is a hunter.
But Durja knows that beasts are once humans, like a feral ghoul. So, as you hunt and kill beasts, Djura thinks that they are still people technically; as the plauge did that to people.
When you talk to Durja, he'll explain his reasoning, and ask if you will hunt the beasts of Old Yharnam. If you say Yes, he'll attack. If no, he'll give you a personal item, the Powder Keg Badge, and leave you alone, and him alone with the beasts of Old Yharnam.
I killed them....
I killed them all.