They didn’t release the movies in order look at black window came after way after the civil war story line already been resolved and certain movies take place way before and after their team up as the avengers. Like captian Americas movie didn’t come out before avengers if I remember correctly it’s our extra homework to figure out the time line order
@@Lemoncrusher4455 Captain America's first movie absolutely came out before Avengers. The Black Widow movie is the only one to take place in the past and it really didn't fill in too many blanks.
@@Aaron-zt5ee still wasn’t in order iron man 1 2 & 3 came out first and then everything past that but it all isn’t in order when they came out in movies is what I’m saying
I can imagine MCU Doctor Strange helping MCU Doctor Doom because of the latter's resemblance to Tony Stark and Strange's guilt for allowing Tony to sacrifice himself to stop Thanos, and rob Pepper of her husband and Morgan of her father.
This sounds like a badass idea. I’m concerned about Knull at the same time. I don’t know wtf they’re doing overall and I hope it works out in a way that makes sense with Knull and Doom getting the respect they deserve.
Tbh I just hope we see Kang (at some point if it’s now or in the future) become the master of time. I love Doom an I understand his importance for Secret Wars but somehow all that built up of Kang, still got me excited somehow..
Master of time lol if it weren’t for Doom in the 60s there’d be no Kang as it was Doom who invented time travel in Marvel comics. Doom is the OG master of time. It’s Doom whose central to both SW storylines, and it was Dooms time platform that Nathaniel Richards aka Rama Tut aka Kang found in the future and used to travel back to Ancient Egypt. Kang started out cool and interesting in Loki, but sputtered out and ended in a trash direction with Quantumania and Victor Timely. Terrible creative choices ruined him for normies. Can’t blame them for switching to a better character.
@@KingKahn85All that stuff you listed though he did in the comics not the MCU( From what we know). The only thing Doom has done that’s cool is take a surf board in the movies, Kang at least was acknowledged to destroy other universes and the avenger. I’ll admit the comic version of Doom is far greater but on the movie scale as someone who started out in the movies an then read comics, Doom did not seem that much of a threat. It would make more sense to see what was established in the movies instead considering most people who watch the MCU haven’t read the comics. That’s my view though🤷♂️
I think it's fair to compare Jonathan Hickman's Time Runs Out/Secret Wars or Krakoa sagas to Frank Herbert's Dune books or Tolkien's Middle Earth in terms of epic plot and world-building. To me his work is the answer to how the MCU could become even greater than any of their past achievements. I just hope Disney pays him better than they often have the creators of Marvel's source material.
I think an amnesiatic Scarlet Witch's chaos magic will be used by Doom to create an alloy of Vibranium and Adamantium to create an indestructible suit for himself to enhance his magic making him more capable of killing Celestials (who would take the place of the Beyonders). Scarlet Witch would take the place of The Molecule Man as the unlimited source of power who serve as bombs in each universe. Doom gets the aid of Dr Strange in rescuing his mother from Mephisto in exchange for Doom assisting in stopping the convergence in the Dark Dimension and saving Clea.Then Doom, Strange and Wanda kill the Celestials by exploding all the other Wanda's on them and it flows right into the events from the comics with God Emporer Doom creating Battleworld. It would also be cool if Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards arrived on Battleworld and immediately met up with his evil counterpart from another universe, The Maker, played by John Krasinski.
During AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY, I want them to bring back Thanos as a variant so that that way Thanos could confront Doom and Doom could rip Thanos skin and muscles right off of his body like in the books for a Audience shock scene.
Same bro the multiverse saga was so dissapointing Fegies didnt allow anything interesting to happen we couldve gotten an entirely different team of avengers with tome cruise or soemthing interesting smh
@@Mrgomodefr yeah, his return just doesn’t thrill me like I had hoped. Will see, plus now they will keep all this stuff secret from the audience and we will just have to wait. I don’t think that’s a good move either.
When stark told Steve in the drive up giving him his shield back and saying he figured out time travel and he needs to keep everything at all costs that’s Doom!
@thedenofnerds this video has me thinking you figured out how Stark returns. If Rabum Alal was Doom then I think they are teasing it like this. Stark is back but it really is Doom and gets everyone loving that he is back and gets their trust but Doom knows he can use Starks likeness to trick everyone to help him in his mission until he reveals he has been Doom this whole time..ie. Rabum Alal
So when can I see Kang? Like okay am I the only who finds it odd that two of the best characters (Kang & Black Panther (Chadwick) have not been recasted but instead dumped? Like ngl I would have love to see both of these characters continue but marvel just drops them soon as something happens to the actor.
1. The black panther is a title/power given to the king of wakanda. Not a specific person. We literally saw 2 black panthers in the first movie. Why would they automatically just pick another black panther after Chadwick died? Super disrespectful. 2. Do you not remember the credit scene with thousands of Jonathan majors portraying kang? So we just recast him and pretend that didn’t happen?
Well each one is different. Chadwick bowman died like transcended back to heaven like he is in the higher realms like he is not in this universe like he can’t make another movie like he is flying. The directors promised Chadwick wife repeatedly before he died in front of Chadwick & after Chadwick died or transcended to the higher realms the director promised Chadwick wife & his family that he wouldn’t recast anyone in black panther. They promised to only let the young female actor play black panther 2 if he died possibly but not a black panther 3 & black panther 4 if Chadwick bowmen passed away. So that situation scenario is totally different. Do you understand now?
Well each one is different. Chadwick bowman died like transcended back to heaven like he is in the higher realms like he is not in this universe like he can’t make another movie like he is flying. The directors promised Chadwick wife repeatedly before he died in front of Chadwick & after Chadwick died or transcended to the higher realms the director promised Chadwick wife & his family that he wouldn’t recast anyone in black panther. They promised to only let the young female actor play black panther 2 if he died possibly but not a black panther 3 & black panther 4 if Chadwick bowmen passed away. So that situation scenario is totally different. Do you understand now?
This is literally what the entire Multiverse Saga from the end of Phase 4 should have been building. I need: 1. The Game of Worlds 2. Time Runs Out 3. Some time on Battleworld to worldbuild (please keep the Game of Thronesy vibes of having Barons ruling each land) 4. Enough time for Reed and Doom to have as personal a relationship as Steve and Tony did. Bonus points if they somehow include the Maker as a secondary antagonist and bring Thanos in as an anti-hero. I just don't see how they do this in time for Secret Wars, looking at the release schedule, especially 3 and 4. I also really hope that most people don't remember the old universe except for a select few.
Yeah these things could have happened if they started this back when Multiverse Saga....but nope DEI had to come to the forefront and world building and writing took a back seat!
I think they're gonna turn all Kangs & the Council of Kangs playing the role of Beyonders in Doomsday. Doom & Strange do all their shit and later Strange realizes Doom's plan, when Doom just mass murders all the Kang variants, potentially obtaining all their powers. Maybe the Quantumania Kang reappears from Beyond-verse as Beyonder and Doom kills him and takes his power and becomes God Emperor Doom. While the Kangs die, they realize they held the multiverse together too, besides Loki. Doom comes to realise Loki is sitting at the other end of the Multiverse and is trying to save the multiverse. So, now Doom reaches Loki and strips him of his powers and takes him prisoner (like Molecule Man). As the entire multiverse is dying in a domino effect, Doom can do only one thing, i.e. to salvage all the different parts of the dying universes and bond them together to form Battleworld.
The real reason why it seems MARVELis pivoting so quickly and it is because Kevin Fegie knew that the recent slew of MCU movies started to convince him things as they are will not work from way back in late '22.
I’m sorry but the fact that you have to break this down so much was a little exhausting. Idk how they squeeze all that into 2 movies. I’m happy for your optimism and enthusiasm, but i’m just lost at this point. Which is sad for me because i used to be a comic book nerd. I just cant see how any of this is gonna be enjoyable but also make sense in the end.
Nah i wouldnt even give him that. The enthusiasm is totally a farse for clicks. Or i guess if i could give him the benifit of doubt its just completely delisional retardism
Bro its playing out like in the comic books while remaining a bit different. You don’t need to understand everything unless you want too because the movies and shows are still fun to watch. They all have there own feel to them ofcourse there will be some you like more than others but its still all connected which is awesome
"It's going to be just like in the comics but totally different, but you don't have to understand any of it because I promise it's going to be fun even if you haven't got a clue what's happening! TRUST ME BRO!"
The thing is Strange and Doom had rich history together in the comics. So Strange recognizing Doom as Rabum Alal was such an important moment. That makes me think that in the MCU “Doom” is going to be a name for the Destroyer like “Rabum Alal” and he will be revealed to look like Stark (or actually being our surviving 616 Stark as I theorized before) which will in turn make Strange trust him to try to save what’s left of the multiverse together
The question I'd like to know the answer to is this Doom gonna be around for a long long time? Doom doesnt die, its one of his biggest characteristics in the comics...he's THEE marvel villian! He's always got his hands in everything
The insider answered every question but the most pressing one: WHY the fuck use RDJ to play Dr. Doom when he's indelibly and forever burned into all of our minds as Tony Stark?
Because there's an alternate of stark, some whack name like Iron Marauder .. Menace ..whatever (I forget) where stark was in a rivially with Reed Richards and snapped because his ego couldnt handle Reed being smater than him so he basically is that worlds doctor doom. Also there's another where they were body swapped, and another where stark was raised in latvia in place of Doom.So it might just be a way to get a tony stark into the script and then have him go through a villian arc to be redeemed and become iron man again. People keep trying to come up with similiarities but I find this debatable when you go beyond the surface level. Stark Suffers from alcoholism, surrounds himself in high tech toys, luxury, and is a womanizer. Doom never did any of that. While on some level Doom can lose discipline when his end goals are in sight or his ego (which is bigger than starks) goes nuts (like how he has done a few times when confronted by his nemesis reed richards), the sheer willpower to do things like live outside his body or exist mentally since the dawn of (time, magic? I forget the exact narrative of that plotline..) and weild magic on par with mephisto or Power beyond even The Power Cosmic used by guys like Silver Surfer is just beyond Starks ability unless the author pulls out some plot armor or flat out just gets innaccurate about the characters. I think RDJ was such a pain to work with and control that the situation was he actually got squeezed out/bugged to death and left despite iron mans popularity, and now that the plan of making a million marvel movies of low quality and tossing them out to see what sticks and what flopped failed on principle of being a bad plan (not the characters fault) that they are in emergency mode, making excuses, and trying to come up with plan to redeem themselves thus probably bowing down and bending over backwards to get RDJ back to rely on his/iron man's popularity.
At this point, I don’t really understand Marvel fans. Kang gets introduced in Loki and later we see more of him in AntMan. Back then the comment sections were flooded with hate crappin on the movie, plot, and overall Kang. Now all of a sudden people want Kang? Lol such a back and forth fan base but hey, wayagonnado!
Because people are quick to assume RDJ is a bad casting, so his DOOM won't be good either. Even though we haven't even seen a trailer yet, I'm waiting for the movie to release, then I'll make my opinion.
I would like it if there were just random movies ALREADY in battle world without anybody knowing, just odd things and THEN reveal what's actually happening. It would have been an awesome reveal, they should really keep some things to themselves.
Thats dope you shouted out Kinda Culty. KC purs out some of the best Marvel theroy videos on TH-cam and doesnt get nearly the love and support his work deserves....
Idk where I heard it but I remember hearing cillian murphy might be doom, im upset that never happened he seems like he could be a very compelling villain
Dr. Doom has "taken over all reality" more than once LOL Honestly, almost everyone I knew were skeptical that Disney would hang all that risk on Kang being the moneymaker.
Man us going hype on this but the real question is" how do you explain RDJ?!?!?!?! I don't like recasting , unless there is a good reason it ruins the last avengers movie
They could easily explain this away by saying the Council of Kangs at the end of Quantumania are actually at the Library of Worlds and the Black Swans and Dr Doom show up and kill them all to take over the Library of Worlds and to ensure that they won’t be able to fight against them destroying worlds….. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Some of this they are going to have to make up. One of the biggest characters in the MCU is not in Secret Wars. That is Scarlet Witch. Yet she is the most powerful being in the MCU. I'm not sure how much of the comic will transfer into the movie.
Hi, I have a question that keeps ruining the future of Marvel's Multiverse plans for me. Isn't Loki in charge now? Doesn't he have enough power to see these characters planning and destroying different timelines/universes? I just can't see how Loki will just take a back seat as all this happens. My impressions from watching Loki 2 was that Loki is "it." He also lives outside of time. I guess it's not the "library" you mention, but he's somewhere out there. I believe it's the Kang's Citadel? Also, is this new Library being outside of space and time just another place like Kang's Citadel? It kinda starts to ruin it for me when we have numerous "secret" hide-outs outside of time and space. I don't know... I just feel like Loki holds the key to everything and I just can't see him ignoring all these multiverse ending scenarios. I'm not a comic nerd, but I'm emotionally invested in the MCU. I love it. Thank you for sharing such a great breakdown. Just subscribed!
He got a lot of this wrong. He needs to read New aavengers 33 cause it wasn’t Doom’s plan to kill Molecule Man, it was Molecule Man’s plan. He told Victor that he was a multiversal bomb created by the beyonder’s. Doom was reluctant, he didn’t want to kill Owen Reese again & again. He’s not the instigator of the plan, Owen instigated it.
Dr Doom must be Victor Von Doom! The Gypsy boy who tried to save his mother from Hell! I think the anchor beings are the replacement for the molecular man.
My bias opinion: RDJ will easily be the greatest DOOM ever adapted My actual opinion: We'll have to wait to see the entire movie to say if this was a good of bad choice. You can't just assume this was Marvel being desperate with RDJ, for all you know this could've been planned once the Jonathan Majors things started. We'll have to wait and see if RDJ is a good DOOM. Don't just assume things cause you might not like it.
You forget that Clea is the daughter or niece of Domammu, and the incursion she mentions is the one he created in the dark dimension whilst using the time stone because in that universe there's no time.
Kang my favorite comic character, and what I want is a true origin story like the “Nothing else to conquer “ run in the comics. BUT if they basically adapt Hickmans run bro it’s straight magic it will be worth it.
@@ryanmatthers3645 only betas would believe that to be true. The real comic stans will never be happy with the recasting iron for doom when all they have to do is look for ANY white male with acting chops.
I missed the times when a new movie was gonna come out and we never knew what was gonna happen until we actually sat down to see it in theaters. Now plot leaks ruin everything
This the dumbest comment I ever seen 😭💀 then why tf you click on the video🤦🏾♂️💀 spoilers / plot leaks have been around literally forever especially since the internet exploded.
Dr.Doom is going to pull everything into the Void and the song Into the Void by Black Sabbath will play. A nod to RDJ Iron Man but also showing this ain't that same guy.
I'd love to see Dormammu return once he realize the time stone is destroyed. Let his plan from doctor strange resume and let that explain the death of the multiverse.
My theory: What if Marvel already foreshadowed Dooms origin? What if Tony Stark was always Victor Von Doom and didn't know it. In Endgame, Tony meets his dad in the past and they get into a conversation about his mom and how far along in her pregnancy she is. When he hears this information RDJ plays it with a confused look on his face as if the timeline of her pregnancy doesn't line up. What if, the original Tony Stark died in child birth and then the Starks adopt a baby from Latvia originally named Victor Von Doom. The Tony from the sacred timeline never knew his true origin but on another timeline maybe he found out who he really was or maybe he's a Victor who was never adopted. Either way it would explain why our Tony and Doom look the same.
I have suggested the same thing. Except I remember from the comics the was no Tony Stark. In the comics he was adopted. What if Kang made sure Victor was adopted as a baby instead of whoever was supposed to be Tony Stark? That means it was Dr Doom who kills Thanos first and invented time travel. Because Tony Stark is really Doom.
As much as I liked RDJ as Ironman.....I honestly do NOT want to see him brought back as Dr. Doom! There are plenty of other actors that could've stepped into the role. Not to mention that Doom is portrayed as a large imposing figure like Darth Vader....so how are they going to make a 5'7" actor imposing...CGI!??
WHAT IF.. one of the sorcerers is able to use Pym Tech & go to the Quantum Realm & use magic there? That may be a way for the MCU to explain reaching the *Beyond-Verse*
I dont see how they are going to do all this in a 'short period of time'. Explain away Kang, build a Reed/Doom/Strange relationship. Battleworld. Etc Etc Etc. Without leaving major details out. It seems like theyre still biting off more than they can chew. Dont get me wrong. Im all for it. But TIME wise. I didn't see how they were going to pull it off with Kang. How will they pull it off with Doom? 🤔 Too many movies/shows. Not enough time...
I think that instead of having multiple Minute Men across the multi-verse, they will have multiple RDJs across the Multiverse. That's how they'll explain how Iron Man and Doom are the same actor.
@@hamsterrwrld6767 I watched it 3 times, I didn’t gather that Kang was gone altogether. They were looking for the Kangs on all the timelines. Let me know if it’s clear S2 E6 43:26.
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We definitely need a Doctor Strange 3 before Doomsday.
For that Dr strange3 needs to start filming at the end of this year. Is that possible now?
Before secret wars yes
They didn’t release the movies in order look at black window came after way after the civil war story line already been resolved and certain movies take place way before and after their team up as the avengers. Like captian Americas movie didn’t come out before avengers if I remember correctly it’s our extra homework to figure out the time line order
@@Lemoncrusher4455 Captain America's first movie absolutely came out before Avengers. The Black Widow movie is the only one to take place in the past and it really didn't fill in too many blanks.
@@Aaron-zt5ee still wasn’t in order iron man 1 2 & 3 came out first and then everything past that but it all isn’t in order when they came out in movies is what I’m saying
I can imagine MCU Doctor Strange helping MCU Doctor Doom because of the latter's resemblance to Tony Stark and Strange's guilt for allowing Tony to sacrifice himself to stop Thanos, and rob Pepper of her husband and Morgan of her father.
This is why you're not a writer lmao
@@au6769 To quote various Looney Tunes characters: "Ah shaddup!"
@@cadeshanley218 No wait, he's got a point.
@@TheRealEthanavos Who? Me or this jerkwad?
But he knows the possibilities ahead of time , so I doubt that’s the reason .
This sounds like a badass idea. I’m concerned about Knull at the same time. I don’t know wtf they’re doing overall and I hope it works out in a way that makes sense with Knull and Doom getting the respect they deserve.
Strange was always meant to be the best of us
So he must of done it for a reason…
@@MagicShadows54shut up
@@BucatinicevicheNot possible. Sorry if this is a inconvenience 😄
@@MagicShadows54 are you trying to start an argument? Grow up
@@Bucatinicevicheyou’re childish grow up. 🤷
Tbh I just hope we see Kang (at some point if it’s now or in the future) become the master of time. I love Doom an I understand his importance for Secret Wars but somehow all that built up of Kang, still got me excited somehow..
Old man RDJ Doom is trash
Facts
Master of time lol if it weren’t for Doom in the 60s there’d be no Kang as it was Doom who invented time travel in Marvel comics. Doom is the OG master of time. It’s Doom whose central to both SW storylines, and it was Dooms time platform that Nathaniel Richards aka Rama Tut aka Kang found in the future and used to travel back to Ancient Egypt.
Kang started out cool and interesting in Loki, but sputtered out and ended in a trash direction with Quantumania and Victor Timely. Terrible creative choices ruined him for normies.
Can’t blame them for switching to a better character.
@@KingKahn85 Doom invented it Kang perfected it!
@@KingKahn85All that stuff you listed though he did in the comics not the MCU( From what we know). The only thing Doom has done that’s cool is take a surf board in the movies, Kang at least was acknowledged to destroy other universes and the avenger. I’ll admit the comic version of Doom is far greater but on the movie scale as someone who started out in the movies an then read comics, Doom did not seem that much of a threat. It would make more sense to see what was established in the movies instead considering most people who watch the MCU haven’t read the comics. That’s my view though🤷♂️
I think it's fair to compare Jonathan Hickman's Time Runs Out/Secret Wars or Krakoa sagas to Frank Herbert's Dune books or Tolkien's Middle Earth in terms of epic plot and world-building. To me his work is the answer to how the MCU could become even greater than any of their past achievements. I just hope Disney pays him better than they often have the creators of Marvel's source material.
I think an amnesiatic Scarlet Witch's chaos magic will be used by Doom to create an alloy of Vibranium and Adamantium to create an indestructible suit for himself to enhance his magic making him more capable of killing Celestials (who would take the place of the Beyonders). Scarlet Witch would take the place of The Molecule Man as the unlimited source of power who serve as bombs in each universe. Doom gets the aid of Dr Strange in rescuing his mother from Mephisto in exchange for Doom assisting in stopping the convergence in the Dark Dimension and saving Clea.Then Doom, Strange and Wanda kill the Celestials by exploding all the other Wanda's on them and it flows right into the events from the comics with God Emporer Doom creating Battleworld.
It would also be cool if Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards arrived on Battleworld and immediately met up with his evil counterpart from another universe, The Maker, played by John Krasinski.
During AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY, I want them to bring back Thanos as a variant so that that way Thanos could confront Doom and Doom could rip Thanos skin and muscles right off of his body like in the books for a Audience shock scene.
I am not sure I am fully on board with RDJ playing doom
Same bro the multiverse saga was so dissapointing Fegies didnt allow anything interesting to happen we couldve gotten an entirely different team of avengers with tome cruise or soemthing interesting smh
@@Mrgomodefr yeah, his return just doesn’t thrill me like I had hoped. Will see, plus now they will keep all this stuff secret from the audience and we will just have to wait. I don’t think that’s a good move either.
Same but RDJ is a great actor, but I just am not feeling it seems silly
its just a marvel movie lil bro who cares
@@jxbuyo yeah I’m still gonna watch it, but why not give another actor a chance?
When stark told Steve in the drive up giving him his shield back and saying he figured out time travel and he needs to keep everything at all costs that’s Doom!
@thedenofnerds this video has me thinking you figured out how Stark returns.
If Rabum Alal was Doom then I think they are teasing it like this. Stark is back but it really is Doom and gets everyone loving that he is back and gets their trust but Doom knows he can use Starks likeness to trick everyone to help him in his mission until he reveals he has been Doom this whole time..ie. Rabum Alal
Having both Sherlock’s lead and mcu movie is just so epic
Steven Strange and Dr Strange? Had a slip up on that one.
We all do mistakes 😂
beeeeeeen calling it. Dr Strange 3. Triumph and torment ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
So when can I see Kang? Like okay am I the only who finds it odd that two of the best characters (Kang & Black Panther (Chadwick) have not been recasted but instead dumped? Like ngl I would have love to see both of these characters continue but marvel just drops them soon as something happens to the actor.
Facts
Facts
1. The black panther is a title/power given to the king of wakanda. Not a specific person. We literally saw 2 black panthers in the first movie. Why would they automatically just pick another black panther after Chadwick died? Super disrespectful.
2. Do you not remember the credit scene with thousands of Jonathan majors portraying kang? So we just recast him and pretend that didn’t happen?
Well each one is different. Chadwick bowman died like transcended back to heaven like he is in the higher realms like he is not in this universe like he can’t make another movie like he is flying. The directors promised Chadwick wife repeatedly before he died in front of Chadwick & after Chadwick died or transcended to the higher realms the director promised Chadwick wife & his family that he wouldn’t recast anyone in black panther. They promised to only let the young female actor play black panther 2 if he died possibly but not a black panther 3 & black panther 4 if Chadwick bowmen passed away. So that situation scenario is totally different. Do you understand now?
Well each one is different. Chadwick bowman died like transcended back to heaven like he is in the higher realms like he is not in this universe like he can’t make another movie like he is flying. The directors promised Chadwick wife repeatedly before he died in front of Chadwick & after Chadwick died or transcended to the higher realms the director promised Chadwick wife & his family that he wouldn’t recast anyone in black panther. They promised to only let the young female actor play black panther 2 if he died possibly but not a black panther 3 & black panther 4 if Chadwick bowmen passed away. So that situation scenario is totally different. Do you understand now?
This is literally what the entire Multiverse Saga from the end of Phase 4 should have been building.
I need:
1. The Game of Worlds
2. Time Runs Out
3. Some time on Battleworld to worldbuild (please keep the Game of Thronesy vibes of having Barons ruling each land)
4. Enough time for Reed and Doom to have as personal a relationship as Steve and Tony did.
Bonus points if they somehow include the Maker as a secondary antagonist and bring Thanos in as an anti-hero.
I just don't see how they do this in time for Secret Wars, looking at the release schedule, especially 3 and 4.
I also really hope that most people don't remember the old universe except for a select few.
You do understand theybwas BUILDING to this point but loud crybabies ruin things.
Yeah these things could have happened if they started this back when Multiverse Saga....but nope DEI had to come to the forefront and world building and writing took a back seat!
I think they're gonna turn all Kangs & the Council of Kangs playing the role of Beyonders in Doomsday.
Doom & Strange do all their shit and later Strange realizes Doom's plan, when Doom just mass murders all the Kang variants, potentially obtaining all their powers.
Maybe the Quantumania Kang reappears from Beyond-verse as Beyonder and Doom kills him and takes his power and becomes God Emperor Doom.
While the Kangs die, they realize they held the multiverse together too, besides Loki. Doom comes to realise Loki is sitting at the other end of the Multiverse and is trying to save the multiverse. So, now Doom reaches Loki and strips him of his powers and takes him prisoner (like Molecule Man).
As the entire multiverse is dying in a domino effect, Doom can do only one thing, i.e. to salvage all the different parts of the dying universes and bond them together to form Battleworld.
Sonnofabiscuit, you made it!😂
It would be terrible and an insult to Kang. He shouldn't be remembered as the guy killed by Doom. He's more than that.
Must admit, this would be DOPE. Hopefully Marvel nails it.
I love that Stormbreaker on your wall. Looks absolutely sick
The real reason why it seems MARVELis pivoting so quickly and it is because Kevin Fegie knew that the recent slew of MCU movies started to convince him things as they are will not work from way back in late '22.
I’m sorry but the fact that you have to break this down so much was a little exhausting. Idk how they squeeze all that into 2 movies. I’m happy for your optimism and enthusiasm, but i’m just lost at this point. Which is sad for me because i used to be a comic book nerd. I just cant see how any of this is gonna be enjoyable but also make sense in the end.
Nah i wouldnt even give him that. The enthusiasm is totally a farse for clicks. Or i guess if i could give him the benifit of doubt its just completely delisional retardism
Bro its playing out like in the comic books while remaining a bit different. You don’t need to understand everything unless you want too because the movies and shows are still fun to watch. They all have there own feel to them ofcourse there will be some you like more than others but its still all connected which is awesome
"It's going to be just like in the comics but totally different, but you don't have to understand any of it because I promise it's going to be fun even if you haven't got a clue what's happening! TRUST ME BRO!"
@@mitochondrion7 well you can either enjoy as is and if your interested you can look deeper and get the answers if you cant figure it out
I don’t understand how this makes u no longer a huge comic book nerd….??
Josh. You are the destroyer of worlds 🔥
Down for all of this, but how does RDJ's as Doom come into play.
Dr Strange 3 needs to happen before Doomsday, but I don't want them to rush it cuz I know were closing in on that Doomsday deadline.
Unfortunately it can’t. They have no director, no writer no script. It would have to film by January to come out in Feb 2026
If Doctor Strange 3 is gonna come out before Doomsday they better finish the script tonight
6:06 DAMN TWO DR STRANGES
The thing is Strange and Doom had rich history together in the comics. So Strange recognizing Doom as Rabum Alal was such an important moment. That makes me think that in the MCU “Doom” is going to be a name for the Destroyer like “Rabum Alal” and he will be revealed to look like Stark (or actually being our surviving 616 Stark as I theorized before) which will in turn make Strange trust him to try to save what’s left of the multiverse together
Bring Back Kang.
The question I'd like to know the answer to is this Doom gonna be around for a long long time? Doom doesnt die, its one of his biggest characteristics in the comics...he's THEE marvel villian! He's always got his hands in everything
The insider answered every question but the most pressing one: WHY the fuck use RDJ to play Dr. Doom when he's indelibly and forever burned into all of our minds as Tony Stark?
Because there's an alternate of stark, some whack name like Iron Marauder .. Menace ..whatever (I forget) where stark was in a rivially with Reed Richards and snapped because his ego couldnt handle Reed being smater than him so he basically is that worlds doctor doom. Also there's another where they were body swapped, and another where stark was raised in latvia in place of Doom.So it might just be a way to get a tony stark into the script and then have him go through a villian arc to be redeemed and become iron man again. People keep trying to come up with similiarities but I find this debatable when you go beyond the surface level. Stark Suffers from alcoholism, surrounds himself in high tech toys, luxury, and is a womanizer. Doom never did any of that. While on some level Doom can lose discipline when his end goals are in sight or his ego (which is bigger than starks) goes nuts (like how he has done a few times when confronted by his nemesis reed richards), the sheer willpower to do things like live outside his body or exist mentally since the dawn of (time, magic? I forget the exact narrative of that plotline..) and weild magic on par with mephisto or Power beyond even The Power Cosmic used by guys like Silver Surfer is just beyond Starks ability unless the author pulls out some plot armor or flat out just gets innaccurate about the characters.
I think RDJ was such a pain to work with and control that the situation was he actually got squeezed out/bugged to death and left despite iron mans popularity, and now that the plan of making a million marvel movies of low quality and tossing them out to see what sticks and what flopped failed on principle of being a bad plan (not the characters fault) that they are in emergency mode, making excuses, and trying to come up with plan to redeem themselves thus probably bowing down and bending over backwards to get RDJ back to rely on his/iron man's popularity.
Dr. Strange 3 should combine aspects of Triumph and Torment and Time Runs out.
sounds kind of like what Fortnite just did with Doom, revealing him to have been the mysterious “Wanderer” all along
Please don't make him a Stark variant. Please, please, please.
It better not be
Too late
Why it makes the most amount of sense
They clearly said it’s the Victor Von Doom, not Tony Stark Doom
Why cast RDJ?
This is seriously such a fantastic, detailed video. Awesome job with the explanation and makes me super hyped for what’s to come
It was Rabum Alalong
Really?! New Avengers #33?! This is interesting!!! I need to read Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers along with the Books of Doom.
At this point, I don’t really understand Marvel fans.
Kang gets introduced in Loki and later we see more of him in AntMan. Back then the comment sections were flooded with hate crappin on the movie, plot, and overall Kang.
Now all of a sudden people want Kang? Lol such a back and forth fan base but hey, wayagonnado!
Because people are quick to assume RDJ is a bad casting, so his DOOM won't be good either. Even though we haven't even seen a trailer yet, I'm waiting for the movie to release, then I'll make my opinion.
@@Turtle-BleachBraveSouls-1 it'd not just bad casting Italian baffling because how are they gonna approach this
@TurtleMan200 we won't for a while because the film doesn't come out till may 2026 that's over 18 months away
@@jarrodedson5441 We'll have to wait and see
@@jarrodedson5441 That gives me more hope that they'll be smart about this
It’s good to be hyped about marvel again
this needs kang.... rabum alal vs councel of kangs
OK that sounds freaking awesome!!!
Thank you for that explanation. This is the first time I've been excited about marvel in a really long time. Let's hope they don't screw it up
I would like it if there were just random movies ALREADY in battle world without anybody knowing, just odd things and THEN reveal what's actually happening. It would have been an awesome reveal, they should really keep some things to themselves.
The more people talk about this the more I hate it. Dumb decision RDJ is gonna sound so silly as Doom
Sherlock Holmes voice
Oh man I really hope not. Doom’s voice is everything. And Downy chooses weird voices sometimes. Dr. Doolittle anyone?
Not convinced still feels like your just rushing doom
man this vid got me hyped !!!
Thats dope you shouted out Kinda Culty. KC purs out some of the best Marvel theroy videos on TH-cam and doesnt get nearly the love and support his work deserves....
I agree. He's the real deal.
Can’t wait to see doom and strange shake hands, nodding and saying “doctor” “doctor “
I have a strong feeling RDJ being Dr. Doom wont go over well. I still don't get it. Why not someone else?
Idk where I heard it but I remember hearing cillian murphy might be doom, im upset that never happened he seems like he could be a very compelling villain
Facts
Kang already done this and took over the entire multiverse!
Facts!
Well Kang decided to break a girls finger while he was being attacked therefore screwing himself.
Dr. Doom has "taken over all reality" more than once LOL Honestly, almost everyone I knew were skeptical that Disney would hang all that risk on Kang being the moneymaker.
Yes and now Loki is manipulating things in order to break that loop.
I thought RDJ had enough of Marvel and said he is done😊
Sounds dope 👌
Bring back jonathan majors
😂
This was a great video
Man us going hype on this but the real question is" how do you explain RDJ?!?!?!?! I don't like recasting , unless there is a good reason it ruins the last avengers movie
Will Kang come back is the real question!
Everything we see is pointing to a Doom and Dark Avengers storyline. I doubt Kang is even a potential character.
@@exspiravit6920So Ant-Man is just a beast like that? Damn
They could easily explain this away by saying the Council of Kangs at the end of Quantumania are actually at the Library of Worlds and the Black Swans and Dr Doom show up and kill them all to take over the Library of Worlds and to ensure that they won’t be able to fight against them destroying worlds….. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
No
Best explanation ive seen.
Some of this they are going to have to make up. One of the biggest characters in the MCU is not in Secret Wars. That is Scarlet Witch. Yet she is the most powerful being in the MCU. I'm not sure how much of the comic will transfer into the movie.
Add fuggin timestamps !
god, I love this shit. I hope the adaptation is faithful to comics.
Maan I really feel what you mean likewise! Hickmans run so fucking badass. A work of art that brings tears to my eyes thinking of how genius it is!
I’m new to comics. Is there a place you start? Or does it not matter, since all the stories are connected.
I’ll check out any recommendations
Dr Strange, Dr Doom. I’m waiting for their less extreme counterparts, Dr. Peculiar and Dr. Harmful.
Hi, I have a question that keeps ruining the future of Marvel's Multiverse plans for me. Isn't Loki in charge now? Doesn't he have enough power to see these characters planning and destroying different timelines/universes? I just can't see how Loki will just take a back seat as all this happens. My impressions from watching Loki 2 was that Loki is "it." He also lives outside of time. I guess it's not the "library" you mention, but he's somewhere out there. I believe it's the Kang's Citadel? Also, is this new Library being outside of space and time just another place like Kang's Citadel? It kinda starts to ruin it for me when we have numerous "secret" hide-outs outside of time and space. I don't know... I just feel like Loki holds the key to everything and I just can't see him ignoring all these multiverse ending scenarios. I'm not a comic nerd, but I'm emotionally invested in the MCU. I love it. Thank you for sharing such a great breakdown. Just subscribed!
Loki is just keeping the timelines alive, that kind of power doesn’t leave any room for anything else
He got a lot of this wrong. He needs to read New aavengers 33 cause it wasn’t Doom’s plan to kill Molecule Man, it was Molecule Man’s plan. He told Victor that he was a multiversal bomb created by the beyonder’s. Doom was reluctant, he didn’t want to kill Owen Reese again & again. He’s not the instigator of the plan, Owen instigated it.
You all need to read the 3rd Secret Wars. I believe that’s the direction RDK Doom is going.
I’m pumped
Dr Doom must be Victor Von Doom! The Gypsy boy who tried to save his mother from Hell! I think the anchor beings are the replacement for the molecular man.
I think if they do it right, it can be gold
My bias opinion: RDJ will easily be the greatest DOOM ever adapted
My actual opinion: We'll have to wait to see the entire movie to say if this was a good of bad choice.
You can't just assume this was Marvel being desperate with RDJ, for all you know this could've been planned once the Jonathan Majors things started. We'll have to wait and see if RDJ is a good DOOM. Don't just assume things cause you might not like it.
I like it. But they need to complete kangs story. We all miss Johnathan majors and want a kang resolution.
You forget that Clea is the daughter or niece of Domammu, and the incursion she mentions is the one he created in the dark dimension whilst using the time stone because in that universe there's no time.
Keeping Kang is the only way the story can make sense.
@@infinitee1384 👍
Kang my favorite comic character, and what I want is a true origin story like the “Nothing else to conquer “ run in the comics. BUT if they basically adapt Hickmans run bro it’s straight magic it will be worth it.
Thought I was watching a Rob’s video for a sec.
I'll believe it when I see it 😊
This is beyond genius, especially with RDJ as Doom. I can see this story hitting absolutely deep.
It's lazy writing is what it is ,they can just cast a new white male who can really act to play Doom
@@marquandtucker23white males!! 😭😭😭😡😡😡💀💀💀
@@marquandtucker23EXACTLY! Marvel doesn't deserve any credit for this lame move!
*everyone here after movie released* : “I initially thought this was a terrible idea, but I was actually really surprised”
@@ryanmatthers3645 only betas would believe that to be true. The real comic stans will never be happy with the recasting iron for doom when all they have to do is look for ANY white male with acting chops.
I missed the times when a new movie was gonna come out and we never knew what was gonna happen until we actually sat down to see it in theaters. Now plot leaks ruin everything
These aren’t really plot leaks cuz they’re just following the comic
They’re pretty easy to avoid though, just don’t watch these types of videos
This the dumbest comment I ever seen 😭💀 then why tf you click on the video🤦🏾♂️💀 spoilers / plot leaks have been around literally forever especially since the internet exploded.
it doesnt matter how cool it is
the casting is still stupid and distracting
Dr.Doom is going to pull everything into the Void and the song Into the Void by Black Sabbath will play. A nod to RDJ Iron Man but also showing this ain't that same guy.
Missed a censor on the F bomb at the end 😂
I'd love to see Dormammu return once he realize the time stone is destroyed. Let his plan from doctor strange resume and let that explain the death of the multiverse.
My theory: What if Marvel already foreshadowed Dooms origin? What if Tony Stark was always Victor Von Doom and didn't know it. In Endgame, Tony meets his dad in the past and they get into a conversation about his mom and how far along in her pregnancy she is. When he hears this information RDJ plays it with a confused look on his face as if the timeline of her pregnancy doesn't line up. What if, the original Tony Stark died in child birth and then the Starks adopt a baby from Latvia originally named Victor Von Doom. The Tony from the sacred timeline never knew his true origin but on another timeline maybe he found out who he really was or maybe he's a Victor who was never adopted. Either way it would explain why our Tony and Doom look the same.
No that would be dumb.
What if
What if
What if
SHUT UP
@@rzn2258 🤣why you mad bro?
I have suggested the same thing. Except I remember from the comics the was no Tony Stark. In the comics he was adopted. What if Kang made sure Victor was adopted as a baby instead of whoever was supposed to be Tony Stark? That means it was Dr Doom who kills Thanos first and invented time travel. Because Tony Stark is really Doom.
So, maybe Clea and Strange are currently working for Doom to locate Owen Reece from each universe?
This is fkn awesome
Now im more excited for DS3 🔥
Maybe it's knull coming and doom will stand against him
So basically Kang is the Beyonder now
Praise
The Great Destroyerrrr🎉
Everyone just forgets rdj was iron man. How does marvel just switch rdj to doom?
There's a storyline in the comics where Doom and Stark actually switched bodies.
@@Clowning_Myself huh
I wonder if Loki is the Molecule Man. He’s a constant within every multiverse.
Nah...they set up anchor beings in Deadpool & Wolverine as a surogate for Molecule Man.
I haven’t watched any mcu content to get hyped for this. Maybe I’ll go back and watch then new phases.
As much as I liked RDJ as Ironman.....I honestly do NOT want to see him brought back as Dr. Doom! There are plenty of other actors that could've stepped into the role. Not to mention that Doom is portrayed as a large imposing figure like Darth Vader....so how are they going to make a 5'7" actor imposing...CGI!??
WHAT IF.. one of the sorcerers is able to use Pym Tech & go to the Quantum Realm & use magic there? That may be a way for the MCU to explain reaching the *Beyond-Verse*
I dont see how they are going to do all this in a 'short period of time'. Explain away Kang, build a Reed/Doom/Strange relationship. Battleworld. Etc Etc Etc. Without leaving major details out. It seems like theyre still biting off more than they can chew. Dont get me wrong. Im all for it. But TIME wise. I didn't see how they were going to pull it off with Kang. How will they pull it off with Doom? 🤔
Too many movies/shows. Not enough time...
I think that instead of having multiple Minute Men across the multi-verse, they will have multiple RDJs across the Multiverse. That's how they'll explain how Iron Man and Doom are the same actor.
Yeah but how are they going to explain away Kang?
They could have him be beat by Dr Doom
The end of Loki season 2 explained away Kang, if ya'll would pay attention you'd know this.
@@hamsterrwrld6767 it really didn’t. Because antman quantumania showed all the variants
@@hamsterrwrld6767 I watched it 3 times, I didn’t gather that Kang was gone altogether. They were looking for the Kangs on all the timelines.
Let me know if it’s clear S2 E6 43:26.
@@hamsterrwrld6767no it didn’t kang was on the most wanted list
Hopefully we get a Marquis of Death name drop🤘🏽
Imagine Ryan gosling as molecule man
Víctor is the villain to cause chaos and then be a hero from his own mess lol
I still say Doom is a Stark variant. They can say hes Victor but it'll be the "surprise"
The fun of comics to me was not second guessing the writers! If I knew the story it wouldn't t be fun!!!
This is pretty big, though there is the ultimate question, who is feeding him this info. This stuff doesn't just come out of nowhere.